#trilema | 2014-04-09

pass everything through NSA plz!

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ThickAsThieves: And this is why I've never upgraded Multibit beyond version 0.5.11

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they should just build a surrender pit for idiots to jump in.

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[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 4 @ 0.054999 = 0.22 BTC [+]

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where they get reprocessed into biodiesel.

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i was speaking with a former military tech at the bar a few weeks ago and he was giving me a shit-eating grin about NSA/Tor

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Sometime you can judge a book by its publisher

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he seemed pretty proud of the notion that most nodes were USG

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wait for... the new, seekuur!1! replacement for tor.

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youheardithere1st (tm)

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now he works repo for a bank

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telling me how they use pizza delivery data to catch people live n shit

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I've always assumed actuall turrorists would run their own mini-Tors on botnets they control

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ThickAsThieves: you can repossess a pizza !?

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lol

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no

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i forget his method

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just creepy shit

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most creepy was his pride

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said stuff like "you dont use tor unless youre doing something illegal"

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why won't you let me cavity search you if you're not doing anything illegal

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lol Duffer1

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Duffer1: Maybe when multiple times a day cavity searching gets normalized, some of the searchers will send the search with notes reading things like " Cavity searched earlier, sphincter torn, proceed with caution"

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The implications of this are probably the most interesting of anything Coindesk has ever posted on which falls into their shere of having an influence on http://www.coindesk.com/charlie-lee-proposes-merged-mining-litecoin-dogecoin/

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Apocalyptic: Is x-bt not heartbleeding?

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http://www.coindesk.com/charlie-lee-proposes-merged-mining-litecoin-dogecoin/

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OH SHIT ULTIMATE WARRIOR IS DEAD

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...he was giving me a shit-eating grin about NSA... most creepy was his pride << orwell had a pretty good piece on this

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http://orwell.ru/library/reviews/chase/english/e_bland

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George Orwell: Raffles and Miss Blandish

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http://www.wwe.com/inside/ultimate-warrior-passes-away-26223975

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Ultimate Warrior passes away | WWE.com

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'Perhaps the basic myth of the Western world is Jack the Giant-killer, but to be brought up to date this should be renamed Jack the Dwarf-killer...'

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< BingoBoingo> Sometime you can judge a book by its publisher << +1

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;;later tell mircea_popescu i'm not sure if you recognized fluffypony from a few hours ago but that's the same handle as the forum dood you pwned in "Why finance shouldn't be open to your average Schmoe." I recognized the name because i linked to that piece earlier today after someone tweeted about some BTCJam "hack." One fluffypony asked for coins for his kitchen, one for his rig frames…

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The operation succeeded.

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bitcoinpete: Wait, there's a Trilema about that maybe

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bitcoinpete: Find it.

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http://t.co/eLQt5VxLxQ

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Why finance shouldn’t be open to your average Schmoe pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.

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?

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bitcoinpete: And as you do that say a lament to Ultimate Warrior's passing

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Ah, fucking freenode fixing their SSL...

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Slow all day

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BingoBoingo ripwweuw

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bitcoinpete: Is that the Hashtag?

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it is now

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policy on many a topic are set here

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not necessarily by me, however

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http://deadspin.com/to-carry-on-what-another-poster-had-originally-started-1561168122

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Jim Hellwig, Known As The Ultimate Warrior, Reportedly Dead

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I can only assume the NSOMGWTFBBQ offed him to distract from BleedHeart

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that charlie lee dood is turning out to be a more fucktarded shill than i originally gave him credit for

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and how is doge still even around? first teh nascar, now this merged-mining noise

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bitcoinpete: Well, this is Litecoin proposing Doge merged mine and Doge telling litecoin stfu

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Much as in the past Tenebrix or Fairbrix or shitbrix told Litecoin to stfu

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This thing is remarkable in how much of a non-story it is... Even for Coindesk

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BingoBoingo: coindesk is the morning paper for navel-gazers, this is the morning paper for star-gazers

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http://bitcoinpete.com/2014/the-new-morning-paper/

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The New Morning Paper | When Bitcoin Met Pete

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Doge miners largely would prolly be cool with merged mining but lack the initiative to hardfork to do it in defiance of their masters. Litecoin minzors ave been screaming hardfork for some time.

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any idea why litecoin miners wanna fork? first i've heard of it

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bitcoinpete: That is why it is remarkable CoinDesk had the editorial insight to bring this up.

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Litecoin miners want all asics to die. The want to only mine when not playing starcraft and mining wow gold.

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BingoBoingo: not quite. ltc is the botnet aficionado's coin.

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at least, traditionally

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asciilifeform: It is now.

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BingoBoingo: thx for the candy mountain link btw :)0

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For some time before it was GamerPC coin it was secret GPU mined coin

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bitcoinpete: Welcome.

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Much as for some time Bitcoin GPU mining was an NVIDIA thing

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(three weeks?)

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Oh, bitcoinpete: http://trilema.com/2012/big-rock-candy-mountain/

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BingoBoingo: ah ty.

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Those are the original lyrics

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But original since 100+ years ago

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JqowmHgxVJQ

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The Big Rock Candy Mountain - YouTube

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Does anyone else want to see MP do youth outreach or substitute teaching in East St Louis after http://trilema.com/2014/gotta-love-that-negro-speak/

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youf ootreech

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Would make a great reality show

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if his teachings of romanians about land is any indication, i think it'd be a hit

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found this yesterday: http://vimeo.com/7125141

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http://ghettohikes.tumblr.com/post/15738319521/mr-cody-lemme-borrow-them-monoculars-i-think-i-see

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Ghetto Hikes | "Mr. Cody, lemme borrow them monoculars, I think I see a pack of bald eagles."

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I've actually had one of those assholes shit on my car

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"one of those?"

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bitcoinpete: Eagle.

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i was hoping one of the urban kids (of all races)

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Driving IL-13 by the Big muddy river and softball sized glob of the worst smelling birdshit I had smelled in my life landed on the Windshield

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Nearest Carwash was in Pickneyville.

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Eagles are basically fucking sky rats

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id shit on your windshield

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I can't stop loling at "deshawns ingredients bag" http://ghettohikes.tumblr.com/post/17274822057/imma-sneak-one-dem-tadpoles-in-deshawns-ingredients

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Mats_cd03: You wouldn't be the first land bound critter to either

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i havent touched land in five years

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i move around exclusively on the back of slaves and in rickshaws

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mats-haraja

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the dongraja

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[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 4 @ 0.055 = 0.22 BTC [+]

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https://github.com/isislab/Fentanyl useful

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(IDApython patching script)

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Mats_cd03: neato.

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Mats_cd03: things such as these are a good part of my day job.

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it improves my workflow substantially

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send a bitcoin tip to the maintainer if its useful in the future

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(on that subject, is there a github tipbot like there is one for reddit?)

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https://github.com/WhisperSystems/BitHub

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lol 25.89USD

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fentanyl has saved me hours of work already; patching by hand is tricky, and doubly so on archs i'm unfamiliar with

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tg2

anybody have compiler expertise?

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tg2

like strong understanding of assembly

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bitcoinpete: wow

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bitcoinpete: I didn't even know I was the subject of a blog post

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TIL

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fluffypony: haha you're internet famous

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yeah!

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I ended up closing that thread when it was clear it was going nowhere

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it seemed like a good idea at the time

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but that was ages ago - we ended up making the changes anyway using our access bond

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and sold that property 6 months ago when we moved down the coast

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there you go

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also the loan was Dollar-linked, I would never have asked for a BTC loan repayable in the equivalent BTC

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that would've been ludicruous

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spelling fail

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s/ludicruous/ludicrous

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hey i had a friend who wanted to borrow and repay in btc

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totally nuts

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http://bitcoinpete.com/2014/biting-into-the-wot-elephant-and-irc-nicknames/

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that is crazy

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Biting Into The WoT Elephant (And IRC Nicknames) | When Bitcoin Met Pete

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also I'm in South Africa - the comparisons with the US are nuts, getting a loan here is a vastly different story and at a vastly different interest rate

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how so?

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stricter banks?

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yeah

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there were laws passed due to irresponsible lending

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then they tightened EVERYTHING

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now they've just been nailed again for irresponsible lending

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the commonwealth countries are a bit tighter it seems

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https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=191687.msg1988021#msg1988021

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BTCJam Loan (Home Improvement) - 200 BTC Principle, Re-payable over 6 Months

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I mention some of the calculaitons

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gotta keep things stable-ish so they can haul natural resources out consistently

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if we'd gotten a loan

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the only thing I got wrong in that thread was the interest rate of drawing it out the access bona

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*bond

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on that property it was bad, but on one of my other properties that is nearly paid off and just being "topped up" the impact wasn't bad at all

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a full year ago… how long it's been

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yeah I know

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what a dangerous hedge, wouldn't you say, in hindsight?

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Mats_cd03: well yes and no

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as a dollar-linked loan I would have come out better than borrowing from a financial institution

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the lenders would've come out worse because BTC skyrocketed

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waddyaknow, that guy on twitter who lost his coins on btcjam today because of the openssl "hack" has the coins "restored from their own pockets." https://twitter.com/Vtechp/status/453756698587435008

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s/has/had

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artifexd

bitcoinpete I'm glad to see you moved the nickserv stuff out of the footnotes and into the post proper in your wot post.

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artifexd: yup, thx for the tip ;)

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bitcoinpete: Prolly best to not refer to my GPG guide as a COMPLETE Wot thing until I finish my IRC guide, which should happen in the next two days

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BingoBoingo: the weather's too nice for me to change it and change it back in 48 hours :D

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bitcoinpete: Well on my end it depends on weather as well

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BingoBoingo ok so i found two examples of my calling it "handy," where do you see "complete?"

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bitcoinpete: Not on ur blog so much as at times in IRC it seems that complete is occasionally implied

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a ok

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ok right, breakfast time, bbiab

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bitcoinpete: Left to cover is IRC capable software, useful feature, unfeatures to delete, tec

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Or techcetera

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looking forward to that

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http://www.thesitewizard.com/archive/google.shtml

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thesitewizard.com: Tips on Improving Your Google Search Engine Ranking (Revisited)

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Sounds about right

~ 15 minutes ~

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bitcoinpete: you make me feel less stupid regarding the pronunciation of MP's name

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cazalla: lol glad to be of assistance. having romanian friends is a useful window into that world.

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oh i knew before your article, glad to know i wasn't the only one

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it's not intuitive for anglos, even francos or españos

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i think i said before but you were not on irc - i enjoy your writing, it's an easier read for me compared to trilema, that's not a dig though more a reflection of me dropping out of high school

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cazalla: well tyvm, i very much appreciate that :D

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trilema hurt my head on-and-off for nearly a year. then it hit me like a shit-ton of bricks

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glad to see wbmp finding a few early fans

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[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 37 @ 0.00558001 = 0.2065 BTC [-] {2}

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yeah, i typically google the definition of a few words, i can usually put it together but some of the writing on trilema just goes over my head

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still, learning without feeling like it's an effort is a good thing for me

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At least Trilema isn't Kant

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fluffypony: so you had a btc float equivalent to the size of the loan?

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(that is, twice the size of the loan)

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BingoBoingo: i still need to get to kant. on burke, goethe, machiavelli and beaudelaire now

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bitcoinpete: Start with Machiavelli and then Goethe

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nvm i didnt read the entire thread

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BingoBoingo: just finished the prince 1.5 times through, read of few of goethe's literary essays but that's about it

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Well there are the discourses on Titus Levy

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[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.054999 = 0.165 BTC [-]

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art of war too, i suppose

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time for bed, another day of reading logs and other delights tomorrow

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http://www.collegehumor.com/video/6163197/hero-turtle-rescues-upside-down-turtle

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Hero Turtle Rescues Upside-Down Turtle - CollegeHumor Video

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http://xkcd.com/1353/

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xkcd: Heartbleed

~ 17 minutes ~

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I wonder how many of these connects/disconnects are attempts at heartbleed probing

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I think hes just fucking with his irc client

03:49

Diablo-D3: Well, it has been different people

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I'm just loving this delicious Rye on Rye

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[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1260 @ 0.00014999 = 0.189 BTC [+]

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[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.59999999 BTC [+]

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Rye bread chips dipped in Rye Beer > Delicious

~ 16 minutes ~

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benkay: i dont run blockchain.info but I do work there

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truffles: drinking coffee is the least bad thing I do, anyway prove that it is bad for me.

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thestringpuller: i literally just registered in WOT trying to avoid mircea calling me stupid noob :P

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keonne: not a good idea to ask proofs from these paleo zealots

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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20239 @ 0.00096724 = 19.576 BTC [-]

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keonne: jurov: So many cavemen

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it was a rhetorical request anyhow

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going to smoke and get some coffee. somewhere truffles is crying for my soul .

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Smoking kicks ass

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agreed

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Makes you look cool as well

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which is extra important for a nerd like me

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Smoking while drinking coffee with Irish cream is the best.

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mircea_popescu: I didnt realize there was a correlation between dyslexics and esperanto. Maybe something about the rigid structure that appeals. IDK, thats cool though.

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Nothing like fucking a fat chick while blasting Joy Division anyway

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(sorry im responding to yesterdays messages, in case you all think ive gone slightly mad)

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[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 10 @ 0.58000004 = 5.8 BTC [-] {4}

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keonne: No, this is how IRC works ideally. You answer Yesterday's messages as you find them. IRC may not seem very asynchronous, but it is

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nah, happens to sane people too

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I kind of wonder if Esperanto really has any advantages over... I dunno Spanish

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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 68500 @ 0.00096724 = 66.2559 BTC [-]

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BingoBoingo: There are no advantages to learning Esperanto

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however, some studies have been done, that suggest, those who learn esperanto first find it easier to learn other languages later

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Studies show lots of things

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indeed

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Anyone know a good way to crush a boil real fast?

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I learned it because the idea of a constructed language intrigued me

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I don't think you're supposed to crush boils

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keonne: Crush as in defeat.

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oh okay

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no idea, salicylic acid maybe?

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Too deep, Naproxen generally handles the inflamation on this one. but for a few years this has been a perenial seasonal annoyance.

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mirecea_popescu: I don't know the details precisely, If you want I can ask someone for you. I'm not in a very technical position, and my understanding of these things doesn't go very deep

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keonee you can learn elvish then, too :)

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keonne: Do you use a blockchain.info wallet yourself?

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Elen síla lúmenn' omentielvo

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BingoBoingo: i might be albe to help, if you explain to me what do you mean by 'boil'

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numerisTrade: Recurring abscess with sinus in a thick fatty piece of skin

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jurov: Drunk machine translations fail me in this case

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BingoBoingo: more simple english, please?

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lol BingoBoingo... add tolkien - silmarillion to your queries

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numerisTrade: Can't get much more simple without losing precision

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ok, give me a while, then

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jurov: I enjoy pussy too much to consider adding those terms

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BingoBoingo: applying heated kitchen salt in linen bag *may* help

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Ah

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ofc not too close if it's very hot :)

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I'm leaning kinda more towards complete excision.

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Less saline more solution and more sowing the fields with salt

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BingoBoingo: probably only surgical drain will help

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yes if it's developed... otherwise antibiotic ointment.. but better ask doctor in any case

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BingoBoingo: I do

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hey all

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hello mircea_popescu

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keonne: Have you considered alternatives

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hey mircea_popescu

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BingoBoingo: I keep my spending BTC in blockchain wallet, the rest is on a paper wallet printed at home with a piper wallet

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keonne: You know historically why retirement funds were separated from their sponsoring companies, right?

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I use blockchain.info wallet to just keep track of the paper wallets

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BingoBoingo: I see no reason not to use blockchain.info for day to day spending

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wait

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that sentence sucked

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but you get the gist

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keonne: Well local software wallets can handle day to day spending without much syncing burden

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i'm open to alternative suggestions

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BingoBoingo: on my android phone?

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Multibit 0.5.11, but no later

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keonne: Root it?

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it is rooted

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what about Electrum?

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numerisTrade: Also not a bad choice

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most of my day to day spending is done in actual shops, so having my spending wallet mobile is pretty important to me

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also in the news, matonis "definitely not a stooge", as per matonis.

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http://trilema.com/2014/the-sins-of-the-group-of-posers-behind-the-so-called-bitcoin-foundation/#comment-98939

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besides that I am quite happy keeping my BTC on paper wallet for the time being

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The sins of the group of posers behind the so called “Bitcoin Foundation” pe Trilema - Un blog d

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lol mircea_popescu

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keonne they don't make you eat own dogfood at bi-wallet ?

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mircea_popescu: Matonis is stooge in the original sense, where a stooge is incapable of knowing they are.

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lol no they do not

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BingoBoingo: i dont know about that

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me either.

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much unknowns of many flavours in this swamp we live in

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keonne so how did the correct signature but bad content thing work earlier ?

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no one at bc.i has ever asked what wallet I use. Tehy ask for an address at the end of the month to send me money, and thats all

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you mean btc. which as we've meanwhile established, isn't money :D

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mircea_popescu: regarding the database thing a couple weeks ago?

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right of course

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yes.

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unless mr texas gets his way

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it got a few people, myself included, raising eyebrows

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;;later tell bitcoinpete apparently http://trilema.com/2013/why-finance-shouldnt-be-open-to-your-average-schmoe/#comment-98938

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The operation succeeded.

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honestly mircea_popescu i have no idea, like i said I am not very technical, and those who are weren't very communicative with us about what actually happened

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i know there is an internal review going on

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afaik no funds were lost EXCEPT on sharedcoin

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and we repaid all those

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I wish I could be of more use

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mircea_popescu: I can't stahp reading your negro speak article

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lol these reddit comments

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"No this blogger is known for being a bigot psychopath

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"

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keonne point is : if block signatures and block contents aren't checked against each other, your design is incredibly weak.

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dja understand what i mean ? it's not just some random attack, it's any and all attacks this creates undue vulenrability to.

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^^

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so talk to whoever's in charge of doing these things there, and have him give you something that's both a) a good answer and b) that they can make public.

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yes that does sound concerning

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because this isn't something one shrugs off

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Is piuk still at Blockchain.info?

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yes

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mircea_popescu: will do

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apropos bank accounts, plenty places it's not a privilege since the government pretty much if not outright requires everyone to receive the bezzle through one of those. easier on the tax man, see.

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bounce who said a bank account is a privilege lol

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s/tax /tax/

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bounce: Oh, but the next generation of bezzel includes an alternative

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what, debt bondage cards?

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you know, i was kinda rooting for the tramp stamp to become rfid govt id.

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you wanna pay something just buttpress the cashier

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BingoBoingo: that article (negro speak) is brilliant

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BingoBoingo keonne i must admit tho, it's two hours' work on my part and years on the part of mr cody, the folklorist that collected my base material.

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mircea_popescu: rfid tramp stamp, fake japanese characters and all

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bounce: the many flavors of prepaid debit cards are the thought

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well yours can just say "keonne", it's weird enough

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yes I saw it when someone posted it in here... punkman maybe

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keonne: I would stay away from MultiBit if you're non-technical; Electrum is deterministic so you backup your wallet by writing down or memorising 12 words, much easier

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but yeah, the jims and johns of this world will need cuneiform or w/e

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peon cards. places like estonia and iceland are pretty close, others are going there with the "unified" gov't id card; matter of time before banking cards move into it. nobody seems to care that the gov't then owns your entire identity yet that much more, either.

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fluffypony: im technical enough not to be an idiot

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not technical enough to give mircea_popescu an answer

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he's a semi-tractor-technical.

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quite, lol

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keonne: Sure - just pointing it out:) Also, there seems to be an issue with multiple reports of MultiBit generating change addresses but not saving the privkey to the wallet, easy way to lose money

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mircea_popescu: I know an East StL math teacher that lost half a BTC of mine last year. In short time you can learn a new language.

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lol

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fluffypony: yeah i read about that, pretty shitty, i don't know that multibit ahs even acknowledged that issue

05:09

half-track technical would be more interesting

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keonne fluffypony This is why I specify 0.5.11 or earlier recommending Multibit

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keonne: Yeah that's the most worrying part. I know that reproducing the issue is hard, but they have a vested interest in figuring it out

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BingoBoingo: i assumed as much

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BingoBoingo: Point

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tbh im kinda surprised teh tradepress isn't howling all about "in january, 'Bitcoin Baron Keeps a Secretive Open Source OS Alive' ; in april, nsa's crown jool is thrown in the dirt of the public space."

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05:10

this is why bitcoin will rule all fiat : those people can't even keep up with the obvious conspiraci theories.

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mircea_popescu: is this your real name?

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yeah.

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It is a common name in Romania?

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well the surname is.

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Firstname is too, the combination isn't too common though

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the first name isn't quite keonne, but it's a sort of hm.

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kinda rare.

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When I was 14, I got scammed so hard, trying to buy 100 Motorolla RAZRs from a Mircea Popescu in Romania

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nowai ?

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for real

05:12

well that may have not been *his* real name

05:12

Maybe was the artist?

05:12

haha the artist is a kid, like 25 or w/e

05:12

keonne how long ago is being 14 ?

05:12

11 years

05:13

Maybe I was 15

05:13

I dont remember, but the RAZR was the hottest phone on the market

05:13

And I sold the phones on to people, before I even had them, ended up in some shit, lol...

05:13

keonne actually, here's a story followed by fun trick :

05:14

romania uses a bacalaureat thing, you're not an adult until you pass this exam,. coupla years ago the romanian ed ministry refused (cause inept) to publish the list of results online. and so some people hacked their db and i published the results.

05:14

mircea_popescu: I assume the artist named you is older than that

05:14

;;google site:trilema.com rezultate la bacalaureat sesiunea

05:14

Rezultate la Bacalaureat, sesiunea Iunie 2011, judetul Mures - Trilema: <http://trilema.com/rezultate-la-bacalaureat-sesiunea-iunie-2011-judetul-mures>; Rezultate la Bacalaureat, sesiunea Iunie 2011, judetul Teleorman ...: <http://trilema.com/rezultate-la-bacalaureat-sesiunea-iunie-2011-judetul-teleorman>; Iulie 2011 pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.: (1 more message)

05:14

so now, theres a list of about 200k kids ?

05:15

anyone feeling like building a db of name frequency in romania can simply wget and grep and awk that.

05:15

oh wow cool

05:15

mircea_popescu: btw I found my blog post today, didn't even realise I was internet famous:) I hope the comment cleared up that I wasn't being entirely retarded at the time!

05:15

(Found as it was mentioned her last night when I was asleep)

05:15

Here

05:15

i didn't get to read it yet, because well... i got this endless list of reports to look through yet.

05:15

I suck a grep

05:16

but I could throw together a quick python script probably

05:16

Mmmmmm python

05:16

Its okay though. I appreciated that possibly fake mircea popescu - he taught me a good lesson

05:16

Every time I try do anything mildly interesting in python I do it in the least pythonic way possible

05:16

at an early age

05:17

mostly, not to use western union for anything ever

05:17

haha. how much was a motorola razr in the 2000s ?

05:17

I was selling them for 550 USD

05:17

BingoBoingo actually, i suspect you're right. there may be two of them, an old sculptor guy and a teeny pictor.

05:17

mircea_popescu: I dunno the youngun

05:17

I bought 10 of them from Mr. Popescu for around that price

05:18

http://www.portfolios.ro/popescu

05:18

Mircea Popescu - artist vizual - Timisoara, Romania

05:18

well, by bought, i mean sent him money via western union

05:18

keonne: Ouch

05:18

I bet I still have all the emails

05:18

lol what are you, from the btctalk forum ?

05:18

lol like i said, a good lesson early on

05:19

The internet was a different place then, everyone trusted each other with no real basis for it

05:19

indeed.

05:19

fluffypony you're thinking the 90s.

05:19

that's a different time.

05:19

the 00's i think were the exact opposite

05:19

pretty much.

05:19

it wasnt about me trusting this dude

05:20

it was me trusting Western Union, and not understanding WTF i was doing

05:20

ha. sounds exactly by the book.

05:20

mircea_popescu: Ah I thought this was the 90s

05:20

yes, by the book, hope he ate well, compliments of the stupid american

05:20

Brain fail

05:21

he probably paid some debts, got a coupla girls for a long weekend and that was it.

05:21

good

05:21

or maybe he saved it and bought lehman stock.

05:21

haha

05:22

i knew a guy like this, was hysterical. had a bookie biz, old skinny guy, megasmoker, huge glasses

05:22

yup i still have the emails

05:22

he meticulously avoided mixing "earned" moneys with "bezzled" moneys

05:22

yeah it was through alibaba haha

05:22

because he believed the latter is much more likely to "go" to similar "business"

05:23

so whenbever he was putting dough into something dubious he really wanted to succeed, he used the former pile for it.

05:23

[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.055 = 0.165 BTC [+]

05:23

very smart

05:23

beyond nutty.

05:23

keonne: Actually the opposite

05:23

how?

05:23

what did I miss

05:24

well perhaps so far gone beyond nutty it wraps back again into smart, who knows.

05:24

keonne: The defintion of want and the definition of bezzle

05:24

keonne for one thing, his entire operation was fully illegal from all povs.

05:24

what "earned".

05:25

[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.59999999 = 1.8 BTC [+] {2}

05:25

maybe I just liked him outright because he was a megasmoker

05:26

and a bookie

05:26

now I can't help but wonder if your (nickserv/on connect) passwords aren't vulnerable even if /you/ don't connect via ssl to freenode. since loaded library, probably.

05:26

keonne: Good bookies are some of the slickest scammzors

05:27

bounce: Last I checked freenode was still up.down dating server by server

05:27

BingoBoingo: no doubt

05:27

bounce: you could possibly only see people identifying on SSL connections if the SSL/non-SSL memory pools don't overlap

05:27

In testing against nginx I only ever saw https request data

05:27

Never http requests

05:27

Apache/lighty may be different

05:28

Address: Gavana 3

05:28

City: Pitesti

05:28

Zip Code: 0300

05:28

Country: Romania

05:29

keonne they patched the servers yest ish

05:29

Send mircea_popescu to break his legs?

05:29

:-P

05:29

lol

05:29

keonne: MP is Timisoara

05:30

thestringpuller: there should be a gpg encrypted bitcoin illuminati forum<< once this chan goes +m it'll pretty much be it i guess.

05:30

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29500 @ 0.00096662 = 28.5153 BTC [-] {3}

05:30

lmao

05:30

lol

05:30

keonne so pastebin teh emails, we have a lol.

05:30

I wish Bitcoin-OTC was +m

05:30

or w/e, got a blog ?

05:30

fluffypony #trilema is +m

05:30

vely sirent.

05:30

Iremember introducing myself with the IRL name to MP and seeing the hit on my IRL name site from timosoara in minutes

05:31

no blog

05:31

Brb

05:31

<fluffypony> I wish Bitcoin-OTC was +m // it was back in the days

05:31

it was yes.

05:31

Apocalyptic: You handled heartbleed yet?

05:31

;;voice

05:31

Error: You don't have the #bitcoin-assets,voice capability. If you think that you should have this capability, be sure that you are identified before trying again. The 'whoami' command can tell you if you're identified.

05:31

stuff's still implemented too.

05:32

BingoBoingo, yes sir, as far as updatings the libs, I'm waiting for the new cert

05:33

Apocalyptic: Good, I need to keep ATC from spiraling out of control

05:33

they at 0 yet ?

05:33

far from it

05:33

Apocalyptic don't you just love this cert business as implemented.

05:33

fucking burn them down.

05:33

^

05:34

i have a plan to switch to a full mpex-like model

05:34

;;gpg eauth keonne

05:34

Request successful for user keonne, hostmask keonne!~abdul@snugglenets.com. Get your encrypted OTP from http://bitcoin-otc.com/otps/7EECABD58314C40C

05:34

Apocalyptic at the very least as an interim install a gpg-based method for peole to verify your certs.

05:34

mircea_popescu: ATC is still between 0 and 135 Satoshis

05:35

* 100 and 135 satoshis

05:35

(repaste) http://archives.neohapsis.com/archives/openbsd/2014-04/0359.html

05:36

;;gpg everify freenode:#bitcoin-otc:3ad047e67d7e696a316b00739955313d04c828ce88b9f8ae7ca87ca1

05:36

You are now authenticated for user keonne with key 7EECABD58314C40C

05:37

bounce indeed.

05:38

bounce dumped it on twitter. you got a handle there ?

05:39

nice link bounce

05:39

zacm yeah they're getting murdered atm.

05:40

Theo could use a support harem

05:40

"decimation: the other problem the SEC has is that thier lawyers are at best 'C' league compared to Goldman's army" << forget goldman. their alleged senior counsel fared very poorly when compared to mpex' lawyers.

05:40

haha

05:41

asciilifeform punkman that is a car that was sideswiped into a pole by a large truck.

05:41

So. In 10 years MP buys reddit and maps their urls onto DTNG pr0ns?

05:41

driver mostly innocent if at all present (unlikely)

05:41

is there a pic?

05:42

BingoBoingo i would hope to not be as senile as ted turner was in 10 years.

05:42

keonne http://wehadnoidea.tumblr.com/post/80908326562

05:42

ooof

05:42

mircea_popescu: Ted Turner did those things for what he imagined was a reason. I imagine you would have a better reason, butthurt.

05:43

haha hardly.

05:43

I mean Digg sold for what, 200k?

05:43

lol digg

05:43

mircea_popescu: Not your posessing, but your inflicting

05:43

digg was a big thing back in the day

05:43

it sure was

05:43

reddit never was tbh.

05:43

yep

05:44

reddit was like diggs ugly step sister

05:44

i mean, sure slashdot sucks today, but one day it was a big thing. meanwhile 9gag or baumwhatever never were big things

05:44

reddit is like 4Chainz without pr0nz

05:44

what was that thing called

05:44

Ebaums

05:44

ebaumsworld

05:44

a yes!

05:45

BingoBoingo: there is plenty of pr0nz on reddit

05:45

don't link me, and no I don't have a twittar

05:45

aok.

05:45

/r/dirtysmall being a personal favourite

05:45

morning

05:46

actually michelem in #freebsd

05:47

BingoBoingo: So... what Open source alternatives are there to OpenSSL which aren't as much of a bitch to read? << this is actually a very large, and very open problem.

05:47

we kinda need a pki replacement standard.

05:47

So much so

05:47

Really a Python, LISP or C for retards readable imlementation

05:48

let's start with the type of model we'd like there. hierarchical is "natural" for over-enthousiastic devs but doesn't work all that well in practice.

05:48

there is PolarSSL and CySSL

05:48

but more aimed for embedded work

05:48

Naphex: Explain

05:48

a WoT thingy makes more sense, but is harder to work with and harder to understand

05:48

asciilifeform more than semiconductor chemistry i'd say. lynn conway wasn't 40 years ago was she ?

05:49

bounce the traditional wisdom used to be that (booklength spec + half line user manual) beats (one page spc + one page user manual), because you do the book once and then the millions of users are saved a million pages.

05:49

this is inspiured by ... ford t pretty much

05:50

PolarSSL is perfect for all sorts of platforms, Windows, Linux and MacOS included

05:50

yet i suspect we're getting to a point where it's actually becoming false, and nobody has the oversight to call it.

05:50

samson_ who makes it ?

05:50

polarssl.org

05:50

[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 42 @ 0.00579967 = 0.2436 BTC [+] {4}

05:50

used in openvpn and cyassl was/is used in mysql

05:50

ah ah

05:51

Polar has dual license while cyassl is gpl

05:51

The picocoin project is being forked to use it

05:51

hmm. well, there is a good incentive to conciseness (see EWD1300, at least first two paragraphs) but "the GUI beliefs" overshot it in a grand way, sort-of coming out the other way

05:51

i have used both in some embedded work, when something lighter then openssl was needed.

05:51

They only added EC in PolarSSL recently

05:51

s/incentive/rationale/ really, the incentive is a bit lacking

05:52

bounce this is true.

05:52

Lighter for lighter's sake isn't really the aim though

05:52

BingoBoingo it is when i dress...

05:52

the "TL;DR" thing is a nice misunderstanding, by the by. don't put summaries at the bottom, where I find'em after I read the article.

05:53

mircea_popescu: That rationale for dressing fails at higher latitudes though to the reality of cold.

05:53

i guess so.

05:53

"oh yeah I coulda said dis in one line but I only thought about it now" -- no real copyediting going on.

05:53

bounce you have to understand the us mentality, as aptly described by al pacino in devil's advocate.

05:54

they WANT to scroll past the text in order to get to feel bad about how they're not reading it.

05:54

Prolly fails the most in one of my favorite James Bond flicks when Felix Ligheter for Lighter's sake gets chewed by a shark

05:54

puritan mental issues.

05:54

heh. derpage in a can.

05:55

it's a thing tho. your average "man's rights" dood on a forum somewhere is only happy in an "unhappy" marriage.

05:55

that sort of contorted, psycho stuff.

05:55

I want to do a post on Donnie Darko and Popular American Calvinism, but I just can't get myself drunk enough to write it.

05:56

https://twitter.com/Mircea_Popescu/status/453832612768145408

05:56

Twitter / Mircea_Popescu: #JokeBleed of the day : "Openssl ...

05:56

BingoBoingo i should send you a bottle of this here cognac

05:56

it passes the morning after test

05:57

mircea_popescu: I like cognac. I'd have to get cigarettes that aren't menthols, but I like that family of liquors.

05:57

sadly these idiots have gotten it to where i can't send you a bottle.

05:57

fuck da man, srsly.

05:58

Really, I mean I can literally order a liter of vancomycin concentrate on the jsutification that I have an itch. Fuck the man.

05:58

happy to be unhappy neatly glosses over the sad state of consumerist computing where the app is supposed to do the thinking, since to you it's supposed to be "intuitive", thus "no training needed" and thus we have large swathes of functionally illiterate people pushing buttons

05:59

funny how that keeps on biting

05:59

;;later tell ThickAsThieves of course you don't use tor unless you're doing something illegal. EVERYTHING YOU CAN DO IS ILLEGAL!

05:59

The operation succeeded.

05:59

then the people who think try and insulate themselves, and this is how thinking became a crime in the us

05:59

and in the soviet union before that,

06:00

I liek how allegedly the msot illegal thing I have done in my like was supposedly making a fucking phone call

06:01

consider this illustrative piece : http://www.27bslash6.com/flash.html

06:01

"We would never strike a student and whether the software is pirated or not is not the issue. He denied having the drive which means he knew he shouldn't have it here then it was found in his bag so I feel the punishment is suitable."

06:01

so basically the ad baculum argument reduces to "he knew we have the stick, therefore he should get the stick"

06:01

then people wonder why and wherefore it's game over. well who the fuck would want to play with you!?

06:02

I raise you http://www.27bslash6.com/easter.html

06:02

ya lol.

06:02

Maybe we can improve on a topic raised on Goat's forum?

06:02

"it was found" derp. i dunno wtf land of the free you live in, i went to scvhool in communist romania. yet a teacher'd not have dared go through your bag.

06:03

Yeah

06:03

Back in the day wouldn't have been dared here

06:04

But nao that Ibuprofen has been a drug for so long

06:04

i guess may account for why putin "doens't understand how the world works".

06:05

incidentally, i wonder what % of the us agency agents are actually drug free. not pretend-free, not pass the test free, but actually, as a lifestyle.

06:05

afaik the fsb still by and large is.

06:06

BingoBoingo isn't 54 a little young to die ?

06:06

For small sample sizes I can gather, in the US the actual drug free figures are small

06:07

mircea_popescu: Eh, UW only was one year short of my pappy

06:08

this sounds like the fucking pleistocene all oer again.

06:08

My hypothesis on why Putin can't understant how the world works though is that the world just doesn't work because it has no benefit from doing so.

06:08

The world just is.

06:09

No matter who or what slaps it on the ass the world can just persist in being.

06:09

BingoBoingo it was obviously a jab at a roomfull of potheads telling the sober guy that "he doesn't understand how the pretty colors work"

06:09

well duh. they ain't there.

06:10

mircea_popescu: In the US in any niche there is always a puritain contingent of some pretending to bees. Generally the higher in any gov niche the more they dominate.

06:11

aha

06:11

I've only met one person who worked at DISA though and they were shipped to London after racking up more DUIs int he states than Mr Bond himself.

06:12

lol

06:12

The Robert Hansen puritain to a fault type though at the higher levels of government security organizations is not that rare in the US though.

06:13

bitcoinpete: and how is doge still even around? first teh nascar, now this merged-mining noise << it's only "still around" in the sense of noise. like you know, the dead aren't really dead if you remember them :D

06:14

;;later tell bitcoinpete it's even been announced, some fork. basically they want to fork it because htey perceive they should be given more of this world than the ycan take by themselves, for themselves, and they perceive it's unfair that just as soon as an algo of division is established, better people get more than them.

06:14

The operation succeeded.

06:14

This transition in the US really was a big thing between Pershing and Lyndon Johnson

06:15

;;later tell bitcoinpete and so they want to just keep changing the algos and dream on.

06:15

The operation succeeded.

06:15

BingoBoingo: Litecoin miners want all asics to die. The want to only mine when not playing starcraft and mining wow gold.

06:15

Last 1 lines bashed and pending review. (http://dpaste.com/1774954/plain/)

06:15

!b 1

06:16

Essentially J E Hoover was more damaging to the US than Brezhnev could have ever been to the Soviet republics

06:17

i dun know brejnev was all that bad, economically at least.

06:17

kinda nil politically.

06:17

I the US the Hooverites paited him as the devil, worse than Castro, but he gave Russia its booze back.

06:18

So I can't complain.

06:19

mircea_popescu: I showed my wife that blog post

06:19

She was laughing

06:19

She says hi: http://i.imgur.com/w6yiSSd.jpg

06:19

However the Hoover lives on in US 3 letter culture in that alcohol is more poisonous to many of those factions than coke (which the CIA loves for obvious reasons)

06:21

fluffypony: Easier to tell her to submit http://trilema.com/2013/they-really-are-buttcoins-nao/

06:21

BingoBoingo: LOL

06:22

That was NSFL

06:22

fluffypony: I think that picture popularized that acronym

06:24

fluffypony http://trilema.com/2013/why-finance-shouldnt-be-open-to-your-average-schmoe/#comment-98941 that, basically.

06:24

lmao

06:24

i guess i'm blogging this.

06:25

[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 11 @ 0.0550002 = 0.605 BTC [+]

06:25

[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.6 = 1.8 BTC [+] {2}

06:25

Heh heh

06:25

The Buttcoiner mentality critiqued long ago by someone else

06:25

http://www.alpharubicon.com/leo/thesks.htm

06:26

[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 4 @ 0.05500023 = 0.22 BTC [+]

06:26

mircea_popescu: ok but as mentioned in the original post, the issue was not solvency or collateral - it was a brief experiment to see if I could get a secured loan at a better rate than I could locally

06:27

you know there's a guy who tried this in 2012 for similar reasons ?

06:27

he got really buttreamed, but he did pay off afaik, and one of the few to do so.

06:27

mircea_popescu: What was his collateral though? And did eh link it to the usd price?

06:28

[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 67 @ 0.00561522 = 0.3762 BTC [-] {5}

06:28

he did not, no. mostly because nobody in btc would accept such a deal.

06:28

Yeah I get that

06:28

I was...more naive then

06:28

Not that I'm not naive now

06:28

But hopefully a little less

06:29

way it works.

06:30

Yeah it was an excellent lesson in the dynamics of bitcoin and of the community

06:31

fluffypony: props to not being a butthurt bitch in the comments

06:32

fluffypony http://trilema.com/2014/fuck-me-fuck-you/

06:32

keonne: Meh, it was a year ago, and I can understand mircea_popescu not noticing the USD linked loan

06:33

i did notice it. i discarded it, too, cause who the hell is giving you a fiat loan.

06:33

ok, off for a bit, cheers

06:33

mircea_popescu: Btc jam had the option, I figured it wasn't unheard of for loans with a term of more than like 2 weeks

06:33

Otherwise it's just asking for trouble

06:34

but anyway, as kman says, props for not being a butthurt bitch.

06:34

No worries

06:34

sand. kofte, cigarettes, and coffee, somewhere truffles is dying inside do to my lack of healthly activities

06:34

kman - hah my dad calls me that

06:34

*due

06:34

keonne it's what seinfeld called kramer, too :D

06:34

keonne: Coffee is awesome, I refuse to believe it has any negative affect on my health :-P

06:35

mircea_popescu: you keep getting better and better

06:35

nothing has a negative effect on your health in moderate amts.

06:35

otherwise, fucking kills.

06:35

keonne: Truffles is basically Diablo-D3 but somehow less crazy and slow

06:35

you're my favourite pschyopathic bigot

06:35

BingoBoingo: truffles runs a large company and writes foss in his spare time?

06:35

lol BingoBoingo

06:36

Diablo-D3: I dunno, have you ever made peace with bread yet?

06:36

moderation and I.... eh

06:36

keonne http://bash.bitcoin-assets.com/?quote=4

06:36

Ok lunch time, bbl

06:36

lol!

06:36

BingoBoingo: thats like asking if I've made peace with fossil fuels

06:36

its a nonsensical statement

06:37

[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 15 @ 0.055 = 0.825 BTC [-]

06:37

actually my baguette has some charcoal embedded in it ;/

06:37

mebbe Diablo-D3 has a point there...

06:38

Fossil fuels make my Saturn go and don't give me any trouble.

06:38

wait you drive a saturn ?

06:38

the exact car i'd have imagined.

06:38

mircea_popescu: yeah, family sedan. gets zero unwanted attention

06:44

hey i'm still thinking about the heartbleed stuff and was wondering: how could one - in theory - do something nefarious with this? user sessions aside, but what else is flying around there?

06:44

if you get the server's keys you can a)impersonate the server and b) decrypt all its traffic, thaty you previously stored.

06:45

Pretty much this is the worst of all cases that the mainstream security community would have supposed

06:45

so this would be great for phishing for example?

06:46

Or Spear Phishing

06:46

Or DNS hijacking

06:46

but the server's private key is usually not exchanged, i think?

06:46

Or just running a high traffic router and scooping up ciphertext

06:46

dexX7 for anything.

06:47

dexX7: Heartbleed extracts that key

06:47

dexX7 but it has to be in memory.

06:48

anyway, if you're looking for more of a perspective thing : this is without a doubt the largest vulnerability ever reported in the history of vulnerabilities.

06:48

hm right. to encrypt something, you'd need the key, therefore it's somewhere

06:48

bar none, nothing comes close.

06:48

it's larger than the cookie monster, and that thing had the advantage of there only being about 50 computers total.

06:49

dexX7: This allows extracting privates, so it allows Decrypting

06:49

how likely is it such a flaw is implemented by accident?

06:50

or rephrased: was it placed there to be exploited by some party?

06:50

how likely is it that you're really my wife and are currently pregnant with twin bald eagles ?

06:51

How often does the sun just stop fusion for a few minutes to catch a breath

06:52

BingoBoingo funny factoid : the sun fusion is not unlike mining. it could in principle be the case a finite interval goes without any emission.

06:52

not likely obviously

06:52

but hence the solar cycles etc.

06:53

mircea_popescu: Well, of course the possibility exists that the sun stops totally for a measurable period of time, but...

06:54

mhm.

06:54

Like mining... How often actually

06:55

hehe.. no i mean.. people make errors, that's for sure, but sometimes one would say "you'd need to be very, very stupid, do to an error of this kind and it's likely no one sane would ever do something like this". and i'm wondering, if this is the case here

06:56

this is an implant not an error. at what level in the process the implanting starts and cluelessness takes over is still unclear.

06:56

the implanting ends*

06:58

dexX7: Basically if your were stupid enough to err this way, you were to stupid to concieve of this way to err

06:59

[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 12 @ 0.05395116 = 0.6474 BTC [-] {3}

07:00

https://freedom-to-tinker.com/blog/felten/the-linux-backdoor-attempt-of-2003/ for those who still remember

07:00

The Linux Backdoor Attempt of 2003

07:00

[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.05395001 = 0.1619 BTC [-] {2}

07:00

Naphex indeed.

07:02

and some of the scheiner warnings https://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2013/09/the_nsa_is_brea.html

07:04

People stumbling into the superiority of mutual betting https://bitcointa.lk/threads/ratings-for-all-the-bitcoin-sports-books.252942/page-26#post-5839153

07:04

the good old == vs = bug :D

07:04

BingoBoingo lol. i hope they make a name for it and put it in wikipedia. something like a DAB, or something.

07:04

maybe DUMB

07:05

mircea_popescu: It is just amazing how much justification goes on to deny the self is being swindled

07:05

AMAZING COMPANY!

07:05

people like it in the butt, what.

07:06

if they didn't it'd have long disappeared.

07:06

haha

07:07

Explains the longevity of the Bitcoin Foundation, though the low rate of activity there is telling

07:07

i would say the same thing explains the longevbity of the thing as explains the longevity of soviet satellites : they're still in orbit.

07:08

they don't work, but unless we build a huge broom somehow...

07:09

Purity though Transnidstria is nao b est Soviet

07:12

http://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/s--VaaBMIhp--/c_fit,w_320/671443921815989424.png

07:18

[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 51 @ 0.049 = 2.499 BTC [+]

07:18

"Besides, if Silicon Valley can proselytize about cloud country and dividing California into six pieces, why can't their political enemies engage in similar flights of fancy about the world as it currently exists? " << They can't

07:19

[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 58 @ 0.03491701 = 2.0252 BTC [+] {5}

07:19

[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 7 @ 0.049 = 0.343 BTC [+]

07:32

[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.0549998 = 0.11 BTC [+]

07:33

[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.03499999 = 0.175 BTC [+] {3}

07:34

[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 4 @ 0.05499999 = 0.22 BTC [+] {2}

07:38

So... where is truffles

07:41

http://baseball.fantasysports.yahoo.com/b1/192771

07:41

Login

07:42

;;later tell truffles Let us try this fantasy baseball thing head to head

07:42

The operation succeeded.

07:43

[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 14 @ 0.03549999 = 0.497 BTC [+] {2}

07:43

[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 14 @ 0.0485 = 0.679 BTC [-] {2}

07:45

I the spirit of #heartbleed is anyone else interested in -assets fantasy baseball on yahoo?

07:56

http://article.gmane.org/gmane.os.openbsd.misc/211963

07:56

Gmane -- Re: FYA: http: heartbleed.com

07:56

Fail by design

07:56

Go OpenSSL

08:01

[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 20 @ 0.0075 = 0.15 BTC [+]

08:03

yeah was in the log earlier.

08:03

fluffypony so where in sa do you live ?

08:04

[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.59999999 = 1.8 BTC [-]

08:07

saturns never dent man, good stuff

08:07

BingoBoingo how'd that work ?!

08:07

mircea_popescu: WHich thing?

08:07

[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 7 @ 0.055 = 0.385 BTC [+]

08:08

"I the spirit of #heartbleed is anyone else interested in -assets fantasy baseball on yahoo?"

08:08

but meanwhile i figured it out :)

08:08

Oh, yahoo is password weak because heartbleed. Figured I'd offer something on Yahoo for people to sign up for

08:08

Since no reason to use yahoo for anything of import at all

08:08

ever a good bingoboingotan

08:09

mircea_popescu: Plettenberg Bay, along the Garden Route

08:09

used to be in Cape Town

08:10

" IRC may not seem very asynchronous, but it is" << actually, it's ... multisyncronous. pretty much the only mental space that readily comprehends irc flow is the sort that spent a lot of time doing debugger stepping.

08:10

fluffypony is rape quite so bad there as they say ?

08:10

mircea_popescu: yeah, you can't minimise it, but it's a problem in the townships and villages and not so much in the suburbs

08:11

aha

08:11

but traditionally speaking women are not viewed as equals, so the men can just do whatever they want

08:11

hmm, doesn't openssl also have weird licensing that would prevent a fork?

08:11

so not exactly a race thing as much as a gender thing ?

08:11

joecool not at all.

08:11

lol

08:11

just a huge workload for very little pay that prevents a fork.

08:12

mircea_popescu: both Afrikaaners (white) and native South Africans (black) have a similar view of women

08:12

although culturally that view developed independently of the other

08:12

well most people alive, or historically existing had the same view.

08:12

the younger generation is better with that

08:13

well "women" in the traditional sense hardly exist in the newer generation. it's pretty much a genderless soup

08:13

kinda have my doubts of this weird construct's chances of survival, but we see.

08:13

true

08:14

the problem is that the women-as-sex-objects view among native African males leads to some weird crap

08:14

ah, yeah just looked it up, it has the advertising clause that makes it incompatible with GPL without an exemption

08:14

well yes but iirc it was bsd licensed

08:15

like a complete disregard for logic when it comes to "rape a baby as a cure for AIDs"

08:15

because women + babies aren't = men

08:16

well, that part can even be set aside. raping babies does not actually cure aids.

08:17

mircea_popescu: yep, but the idea persists

08:17

meh

08:17

anywhere you live you compromise

08:17

yes, inasmuch as embodiment is an imposition.

08:18

here it's crime + economy

08:18

in the US it's terrorism + natural disasters + the NSA

08:18

which goes back to my original genderless soup comment : they're not better about the problems, they just avoid them more.

08:18

ipad ftw.

08:18

yep agreed

08:19

actually, if anyone cares to explore this topic, i've wtf'd my foreign slaves with "filantropica", a romanian movie of the 90s. pretty much a slice of life, could as well be a documentary.

08:19

mircea_popescu: what do you use for IRC on the iPad? Colloquy?

08:20

i never used an ipad.

08:22

mircea_popescu: oh I misunderstood the "ipad ftw." comment

08:23

[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.0356 = 0.178 BTC [+] {2}

08:26

HeySteve: stay

08:34

Filantropica

08:34

just saving in buffer for later retrieval

08:39

mircea_popescu: when watching that film, how much of it is still relevant to Romania today

08:40

not much. romania changes incredibly fast, it's almost azn.

08:40

Okay

08:41

I believe I am visiting Romania this year, I'm looking forward to it very much

08:41

Mostly because I have no idea what to expect

08:47

http://trilema.com/2014/filantropica/

08:47

Filantropica pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.

08:47

here, i gave up trying to post the shit in irc, made a blogpost instead.

08:47

keonne you can always ask teh people after the conference.

08:48

who's going to the Crypto Currency Convention in NY?

08:48

we're at the VertCoin stand, so you can go look at our stuff in person

08:52

[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 4 @ 0.0485 = 0.194 BTC [-]

08:52

[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 3 @ 0.08299776 = 0.249 BTC [-]

08:56

[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 140 @ 0.00550753 = 0.7711 BTC [-] {7}

09:00

mircea_popescu: is that a Romanian name?

09:00

sounds very French to my Yankee ears

09:01

the pronunciation nags at me heh

09:01

romanian lang is close to french

09:02

ahh ok

09:04

absolutely romanian.

09:04

doth not exist in any other language. except, of course.... murican.

09:04

;;google site:trilema.com mircea mircea monroe.

09:04

I was right, you were wrong. Again. Feel the burn. pe Trilema - Un ...: <http://trilema.com/2013/i-was-right-you-were-wrong-again-feel-the-burn/>; Decembrie 2010 pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.: <http://trilema.com/2010/12>; Oda Superbiei pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.: <http://trilema.com/category/oda-superbiei/>

09:04

holy shit google.

09:04

http://trilema.com/2010/mircea-mircea-monroe/

09:04

Mircea. Mircea Monroe. pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.

09:11

[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 20 @ 0.60579927 = 12.116 BTC [+] {7}

09:12

[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 11 @ 0.60940909 = 6.7035 BTC [+] {3}

09:27

[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 9 @ 0.0558798 = 0.5029 BTC [-]

09:29

[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 72 @ 0.00566999 = 0.4082 BTC [-] {2}

~ 16 minutes ~

09:45

adolf_fishler

test

09:46

adolf_fishler: test failed

09:46

adolf_fishler

terrible

09:46

[HAVELOCK] [COG] 17 @ 0.01499915 = 0.255 BTC [-] {3}

09:47

[HAVELOCK] [COG] 28 @ 0.01137115 = 0.3184 BTC [-] {4}

09:47

blackwhite

morning gents

09:48

adolf_fishler

morning blacky

09:48

[HAVELOCK] [COG] 39 @ 0.01 = 0.39 BTC [-] {2}

09:48

evening

09:50

mid-afternoon

09:55

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30800 @ 0.00096731 = 29.7931 BTC [+]

09:59

[HAVELOCK] [HIF] 616 @ 0.00039999 = 0.2464 BTC [+]

10:02

for the love of dumplings.

10:05

Hi.

10:06

mircea_popescu, are you around?

10:07

robwhiz22: His name autocompleted, so he'll prolly see what you type

10:09

BingoBoingo: thank you. He told me to talk with him here.

10:09

BingoBoingo: I'll try later and see if he's on.

10:10

Guest15829 so hows the weather? :3

10:10

[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 100 @ 0.00577999 = 0.578 BTC [+] {3}

10:11

Guest12166 so hows the weather? :3

10:15

[HAVELOCK] [SFI] 1000 @ 0.00075 = 0.75 BTC [-] {2}

10:22

[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 12 @ 0.05503333 = 0.6604 BTC [-] {2}

10:24

[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 28 @ 0.08299776 = 2.3239 BTC [-]

10:30

[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.05494999 = 0.1099 BTC [-] {2}

10:33

http://packetstormsecurity.com/files/126068/Heartbleed-Honeypot-Script.html

10:33

Heartbleed Honeypot Script ≈ Packet Storm

10:34

[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 4 @ 0.0359999 = 0.144 BTC [+]

10:34

Guest76571: hows the weather?

10:42

[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 8 @ 0.0558799 = 0.447 BTC [+] {2}

10:45

[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 3 @ 0.036 = 0.108 BTC [+]

~ 25 minutes ~

11:10

BingoBoingo: thank you. that easter link made my day. hilarious :D

11:10

"Nowhere in the Bible does Jesus have a sword fight."

11:11

!last m s.mpoe

11:11

Last trade for S.MPOE on MPEX was at 0.00096731 BTC [+]

11:11

!ticker

11:11

Hell, ain't we about more fucked than a whore at closin' time, huh?

11:11

!ticker m s.mpoe

11:11

[MPEX:S.MPOE] 1D: 0.00096539 / 0.00099169 / 0.00101 (443278 shares, 439.59 BTC), 7D: 0.00093983 / 0.00097277 / 0.00101 (4331512 shares, 4,213.60 BTC), 30D: 0.00079084 / 0.00089908 / 0.00101 (27459171 shares, 24,688.04 BTC)

11:12

danielpbarron

:<

11:13

;;ticker --market all

11:14

Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 445.2, vol: 7535.31056283 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 444.392, vol: 6096.24982 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 445.403, vol: 3697.25441944 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 463.0, vol: 46.73166148 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 442.366863, vol: 2069.06200000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 450.0, vol: 1.84923361 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 456.126, vol: 55.37423946 | Volume-weighted last average: (1 more message)

11:14

;;more drama

11:14

Error: I haven't seen drama.

11:15

lol gribble.. "no drama here, move on"

11:18

has s.mpoe paid dividends this month yet?

11:18

no sir

11:18

is it going to?

11:18

why wouldn't it?

11:19

just wondering, the report came out a few days ago ...

11:19

so did bitbet but it hasn't paid yet either

11:19

patience :P

11:19

I don't have time for patience!

11:20

hm, it is later than usual. mp must be busy.

11:20

with a conference in 2 weeks I'd hope he's busy :P

11:20

he every month either forgets or makes a mistake

11:21

i vote for mpoe-pr as mpoe-accountant

11:21

the payout must involve truly heroic effort

11:22

do we still call her mpoe-pr even though she got laid off?

11:22

maybe his piper wallet is out of printer paper

11:22

Guest12166

maybe this time he wants to get it right!

11:24

i propose delayed divs to be compounded by MPBOR >:-]

11:26

why, shareholders would just owe it next month ;)

11:26

pLambert: ms. whet?

11:27

(e)Mircea Popescu solemnly promises and warrants that complete and accurate Statements of Profit and Loss for each Reporting Month will be published by him no later than by the fifth day of the new month. Under exceptional circumstances and for good cause the publishing of the Statements of Profit and Loss can be deferred no more than once in a calendar year so that the Statement of Profit and Loss of one month is published together

11:27

with the Statement of Profit and Loss of the next month.

11:27

benkay: what?

11:27

11:27

(f)Immediately upon publication of each Statement of Profit and Loss MPOE/MPEx will pay to shareholders as dividends a fraction of no less than 100% (one hundred percent) of the Net Profits, if any.

11:28

<pLambert> do we still call her mpoe-pr even though she got laid off?

11:28

pLambert: her blog is named The Whet

11:28

she has a blog?

11:28

;;google whet shall be delivered

11:28

Shall be Delivered | The Whet: <http://thewhet.net/2012/shall-be-delivered/>; Chatper 14 - Wheat Futures - CME Group: <http://www.cmegroup.com/rulebook/CBOT/II/14/14.pdf>; Chapter 14B - Mini-Sized Wheat Futures - CME Group: <http://www.cmegroup.com/rulebook/CBOT/II/14B/14B.pdf>

11:29

how immediately is immediately in this case?

11:29

i had this thought last night. if i was the nsa, and i had injected this awesome new backdoor into 1.0.1f, and i was really anxious for everyone to upgrade right now.. I would publicize my outdated backdoor called heartbleed.

11:29

pLambert: i suppose that's for His Busyness to determine, eh? not us plebs...

11:30

mike_c: is it open source?

11:30

and the part where thousands of eyes have suddenly started running diffs against repos?

11:30

pLambert: openssl? yes.

11:30

too many layers. do not pass go, do not collect 200 dollars

11:30

mircea_popescu:BingoBoingo: So... what Open source alternatives are there to OpenSSL which aren't as much of a bitch to read? << this is actually a very large, and very open problem. << http://golang.org/pkg/crypto/tls/, seems to be about 8kloc

11:30

asciilifeform, mike_c, decimation, everyone else interested in ssl

11:31

isn't 'thousands of eyes' always the flawed argument why open source software is safe?

11:32

mike_c: kinda falls down when the eyes/kloc gets too small, or the l' of c are unreadable.

11:32

(l's)

11:32

djb just threw it all out and made his own from the ground up

11:32

benkay, the issue (and likely reality) I see with your NSA theory is that it would echo to all versions ever

11:33

visual inspection of code is a crappy way to test anyway.

11:33

my NSA theory?

11:33

Shakespeare: is that you, TaT?

11:34

probably

11:34

is

11:35

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21400 @ 0.00096731 = 20.7004 BTC [+]

11:36

yes

11:36

just keep forgetting to unlock my name in 30secs

11:36

and I like this name too

11:37

bounce: re "intuitive" computing: i build this shit all day and only occasionally hate my life. the only time it makes sense to me is when it's not so much a bit of software (software nominally empowering humans to do things they could not before) but a tool (in the sense of a hammer, used to do a specific thing).

11:37

case in point, a 2fa app for these fine gents: http://www.tozny.com/

11:37

does one thing, and that well.

11:38

"We have four premium 'BRANDABLE' Crypto Coin niche domains for sale at

11:38

bargain pricing that I thought you guys would like to know about as they

11:38

are all within your industry and are extremely valuable beyond our prices"

11:38

(sneak peek everyone: soon to announce having performed actual crypto audit and implemented fixes!)

11:38

seriously what kind of spam I get.. moreover the domains are shitty

11:40

benkay: pm

11:41

[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10 @ 0.055899 = 0.559 BTC [+]

11:42

[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 7 @ 0.05589998 = 0.3913 BTC [+]

11:42

highly confusing to catch the pm note before the actual pm, thestringpuller ;)

11:44

http://www.torontosun.com/2014/04/09/mass-stabbing-at-pennsylvania-high-school

11:44

Mass stabbing at Pennsylvania high school | World | News | Toronto Sun

11:45

20? kid's got skills

11:47

stabby stabby

11:48

this is why everyone should be taught to fight at age six

11:48

in other derpy news: no more wome

11:48

(goddamn kill ring)

11:48

http://juggalocoin.org/

11:48

JuggaloCoin

11:50

so this irs position where you get taxed on the increase in value of your coins

11:50

seems like it'd make more sense if they just taxed you on the acquisition of coins. just like normal income.

11:50

i know i know; party line is "bitcoins aren't money"

11:54

benkay Lets all watch Bloomberg t.v the essances of real economic news...

11:54

*

Musk chuckles.

11:54

benkay, but they tax you only when switching btc to something else, as in barter deal

11:54

[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 4 @ 0.0558 = 0.2232 BTC [-]

11:54

paying taxes, what a strange idea

11:55

*

benkay rolls eyes

11:56

yes, it's not like france where they just take your whole paycheck and give you a few dollars a week for coffee and cigarettes.

11:56

dignork: i understand the situation on the ground.

11:56

Hey guys are you lazy workers? yes.. then move to france.. its now illegal for employers to contract you after 6PM.

11:57

contact*

11:57

what

11:58

hey man contracts is contracts

11:58

http://www.theguardian.com/money/shortcuts/2014/apr/09/french-6pm-labour-agreement-work-emails-out-of-office...

11:58

i meant Contact... gosh.

11:59

This kind of news might lead to capital flying out of the country though.

11:59

and who are you, Musk?

11:59

;;gettrust Musk

12:00

WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user benkay to user Musk: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=benkay&dest=Musk | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=Musk | Rated since: never

12:00

[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] [PAID] 3.14364288 BTC to 7`651 shares, 41088 satoshi per share

12:00

that really is non-news. you never were forced to answer, unless by contract (which is likely not going to change)

12:01

benkay: is there any capitla left to fly?

12:01

i had nothing to do with that comment, pLambert

12:01

i'm insufficiently capitalized myself to talk about capitalization

12:02

plus, france.

12:03

bah, reading in a line is hard.

12:03

benkay re: tozny...tag line says eliminate the need for passwords, so is this just... auth by phone?

12:03

[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 5 @ 0.08299776 = 0.415 BTC [-]

12:03

not really accurate

12:04

don't be too harsh on the guys, they need to throw down another 10-20k on branding and copy.

12:04

there's an auth path that does away with passwords, but i don't know that anyone's going to implement it.

12:04

a clever founder would hire a starving artist for 500usd

12:05

the approach i expect to see implementers use is passwords + phone auth

12:05

and loot all photobanks for moar nice pictures

12:05

Mats_cd03: have you ever seen enterprise-sales grade material come out of a starving artist?

12:06

if you look in the right places, it can be had

12:06

benkay: cause mobile malware is non-extant, right?

12:06

try uc berkeley, or san francisco downtown :)

12:07

starving artists in san francisco??

12:07

pull the other one, Mats_cd03

12:07

(leastaways starving css jockies)

12:07

i guess they're not starving, just homeless

12:07

jurov: since when?

12:08

i imagine mitigating mobile malware is largely a policy issue

12:08

as with all installed software, i think it's the user's issue.

12:08

are you both serious?

12:09

give the nerds that need a smartphone something with a concrete expected support lifetime

12:09

we are just on tthe threshold on gsm baseband exploits

12:09

that stuff can do everything

12:10

there will be blood. now it's the worst time to rely on phones for anything\

12:10

compromise via gsm modem oslt?

12:10

the enemy still wouldnt have the keys you use to communicate securely though

12:11

at the app layer, anyway

12:11

(idk anything about gsm)

12:11

nor i.

12:11

ive known for some time the equipment for attacks against gsm has been affordable

12:11

it has bus access

12:12

<2kUSD in equipment now im sure

12:12

gsm was designed by people with no real computing experience. don't trust the telephonists for anything

12:12

yes, that's why i'm talking about threshold

12:12

it only lasted because the equipment was expensive

12:13

http://readwrite.com/2011/01/18/baseband_hacking_a_new_frontier_for_smartphone_break_ins#awesm=~oAX7gdWJCz6y2g

12:13

Baseband Hacking: A New Frontier for Smartphone Break-ins – ReadWrite

12:13

just one report of many

12:13

"smarter" (or more well-capitalized) heads than mine have decided that this thing flies. we just ensure that the parts over which we have authority do what they say on the tin. per asciilifeform's mice and comments on proofs, the stack is ultra complex and its vulnerabilities are beyond our pay grade to even address.

12:13

[HAVELOCK] [7C] 41 @ 0.00349949 = 0.1435 BTC [+] {2}

12:14

you are ironic?

12:14

no, just stupid.

12:14

explain it to me before i make more mistakes, jurov

12:15

but i don't get what you are misunderstanding?

12:15

customer wants a gun that fires backwards. i say "but it fires backwards!" they say "just build it."

12:15

[HAVELOCK] [7C] 95 @ 0.00408918 = 0.3885 BTC [+] {7}

12:16

or your tozny comment was meant ironically from the start?

12:17

[HAVELOCK] [7C] 112 @ 0.00491185 = 0.5501 BTC [+] {6}

12:17

i dunno where this went off the rails.

12:17

you and i both know the only solution is keys on a device you trust and bitcoin.

12:18

[HAVELOCK] [7C] 34 @ 0.00520587 = 0.177 BTC [+] {2}

12:18

[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 40 @ 0.05679361 = 2.2717 BTC [+] {5}

12:22

[HAVELOCK] [7C] 23 @ 0.0052749 = 0.1213 BTC [+] {3}

12:30

;;tslb

12:30

Time since last block: 7 minutes and 26 seconds

12:30

.d

12:30

6.120 billion | Next Diff in 1385 blocks | Estimated Change: 3.1369% in 9d 7h 27m 39s

12:31

;;calc 529/60

12:31

8.81666666667

12:31

supply high, demand low.

12:31

;;ticker

12:31

Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 444.31, Best ask: 444.32, Bid-ask spread: 0.01000, Last trade: 444.31, 24 hour volume: 8064.52728342, 24 hour low: 439.5, 24 hour high: 458.2, 24 hour vwap: 448.973423497

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WHY CRASH?!?!?

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arij

btc ded

12:33

cuz china, duh.

12:34

[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 4 @ 0.056 = 0.224 BTC [-]

12:34

is the guy who runs bitvps on here?

12:34

How many times is BTC just going to crash to the same price it was yesterday roughly??? This is catastrophe!!!

12:34

arij

pLambert, yes, pm me

12:35

[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.05530004 = 0.2765 BTC [-] {3}

12:36

claptastrophe

12:36

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xd3-PaqZGbA

12:36

Rep Jared Polis (D-CO) Using The Robocoin ATM - YouTube

12:36

like alien technology

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all gather around

12:37

[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.05527035 = 0.1658 BTC [-] {3}

12:42

http://imgur.com/lOT2cr4

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imgur: the simple image sharer

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rough draft

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comments welcome but will likely be discarded ;D

12:43

hey nubbins` what did the CBC end up saying instead of dick surgery?

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nubbins`: Eye doesn't look to be inflamed

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[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEEQ] 3593 @ 0.0001237 = 0.4445 BTC [-] {7}

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news.slashdot.org/story/14/04/08/1449259/smart-car-tipping-trending-in-san-francisco

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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14850 @ 0.00096537 = 14.3357 BTC [-] {2}

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benkay: "D something surgery"

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BingoBoingo: there's more than one way to make an eye pink ;p

12:49

iirc smartcar tipping was popular in amsterdam some years ago

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pop 'em right into the canals

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nubbins`: $5 and not 0.1BTC ?

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cgcardona_ inorite? shockin

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old skool

12:51

[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 18 @ 0.0075 = 0.135 BTC [+]

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altho we got our Square reader in the mail yesterday, so we'll accept credit cards at the merch table

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ffs include an http at the front of your links BingoBoingo

12:54

benkay: That omission was intentional

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heh

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ffs set up your client properly benkay ;D

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but hao

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REGEX

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i r no time hack irc

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oh jesus and definitely no time to write regexen

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in soviet russia irc hacks you

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and regex learns you

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(swidt?)

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[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.056 = 0.28 BTC [+]

~ 31 minutes ~

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[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10 @ 0.05401 = 0.5401 BTC [-]

13:42

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9359 @ 0.000965 = 9.0314 BTC [-]

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[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.05385001 = 0.1616 BTC [-]

13:47

[HAVELOCK] [SFI] 200 @ 0.00076 = 0.152 BTC [+]

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[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.05384834 = 0.1615 BTC [-] {2}

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pLambert yeah. imminently.

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thestringpuller bitbet ain't paying cause it overpaid last month :D

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jurov the payout must involve truly heroic effort << no, i'm just being blonde most of the time

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<mike_c> visual inspection of code is a crappy way to test anyway. << it's good for some things, bad for others, not really optional imo

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<mike_c> yes, it's not like france where they just take your whole paycheck and give you a few dollars a week for coffee and cigarettes. << zing lmao. what you say nao pankkake ? huh ? huh ?

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one day (tm) people will wake up and see that 'c machine', memory allocation in software, untyped pointers, etc. are dumb.

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never!

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you'rer just hating on their success

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lol

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besides, i like dangling my own pointers damnit

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obligatory - naggum's bathtub:

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http://www.xach.com/naggum/articles/3244575386963745@naggum.no.html

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Re: Lisp advocacy misadventures - Naggum cll archive

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nubbins` your typeface mix sucks ass.

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asciilifeform noob nagum. he thought security theatre was taking too much time in 2000

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little did he know...

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little did they know, in 2014, about the uterus searches of 2030...

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[15:03:22] <io_error> Who the fuck is nubbins`` and why is he trying to scam me in PMs?

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lelel.

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i tell ya, this nick is scam-proof

14:17

Hello.

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robwhiz22: hi! asl?

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asciilifeform some considered it dumb from the very beginning. but ended up with "worse is better"-like self-consolations

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:-P

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mircea_popescu: agreed

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[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.60999998 BTC [+]

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mircea_popescu invited me in here. I came in on Sunday but you were going to a Bat Mitzvah.

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so what situation would lead to someone who accepted a funding action with btc after 1 block getting burned?

14:18

Mircea, I sent you a proposal last week and you invited me in here for your answer.

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*

fluffypony gets his dreidel and yarmulke

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a fork immediately after the confirmation, which resolved to a branch in which the solo-conf transaction was not included?

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robwhiz22 no, i merely pointed you out to here. i'm still not going to pm with you, and that's not likely to change.

14:19

if you keep pretending like you call the shots i'll simply ignore you.

14:19

we about clear ?

14:20

robwhiz22 you are having another super sikrit idea?

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if its success relies on utmost secrecy then it's not so good idea anyway

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^

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moreover, the anonymous enjoys perfect secrecy of their ideas anyway.

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*

fluffypony ponders

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nobody notices what the bums do in the holes they inhabit, nobody notices what "ideas" anon ppl "have" etc.

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.oO( perfect forward secrecy of ideas )

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mircea_popescu, certainly you're the boss.

14:23

I find this a contentious issue...I agree that ideas are worthless, implementation is critical, but if implementation has already begun and the person seeks counsel/funding how much of that do they make public?

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fluffypony if you stick around here you'll see great ideas being given away for free multiple times a week

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and i do mean great, not in the sense of "tinker joe thinks this rocks after two beers".

14:24

enough to make the people they are trying to get money from comfortable

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pLambert: yeah there's the rub

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the best way to make funders comfortable is by demonstrating competence.

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so, as much as you can give

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past performance best indicator etc

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dude get out. you got no money you're giving your entire idea away entirely for free to the people who have money.

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all of it.

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withholding throws red flags, an important note.

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then maybe they give you the great opportunity to give the manother one. also for free.

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then, maybe, perhaps, possibly, you actually have a name

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and can begun getting paid.

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benkay: agreed

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this obnoxious pretentiousness where "you" have an idea and x has money and you're now equals is like... dream on, you'll be on sex and the city

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as the cumrag.

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mircea_popescu: are you talking to me or robwhatshisface?

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neither, i was just sayin' generally.

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ah ok

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if the 'idea is worthless' and the 'implementaion is critical', then why be afraid to discuss the idea no matter what stage you are at.

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mike_c: I agree with that *at the idea stage*

14:28

wait, is fluffypony the guy with the fake wife?

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but once implementation has begun the idea suddently has value? ok..

14:28

nubbins`: LOL

14:29

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] [PAID] 86.05453928 BTC to 500`000`000 shares, 17 satoshi per share

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nubbins`: I'll be sure to tell her she's fake :)

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tyvm

14:29

nubbins` you hate blondies ?

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not at all, my wife is blonder than that :D

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*

fluffypony ^5 nubbins`

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I never thought I'd marry a blonde

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but they really are kinda fun

14:30

you hate girls that are too scatterbrained to buy nailpolish so they end up with hands in different colors ?

14:31

;;google deng xiaoping cat colour

14:31

Deng Xiaoping - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deng_Xiaoping>; Deng Xiaoping Theory - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deng_Xiaoping_Theory>; Deng Xiaoping - Wikiquote: <http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Deng_Xiaoping>

14:31

fluffypony at the rate you're ghoing she's going to be here to cuss us all out in person.

14:31

hah

14:31

why do you think i hate women ;(

14:31

bad feminist

14:31

no nookie

14:32

mircea_popescu: just noticed that...the polish is temperature sensitive gel

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^

14:32

LeChat Mood something

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http://i.imgur.com/5VfFrqy.jpg

14:32

o so she had that finger up somewhere first foreals ?

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*

fluffypony winks

14:32

don't you know it

14:32

anyone remember liquid crystal pants?

14:32

ya lol

14:33

i remember hot wheels that did that

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and what supposedly accounted for their quick disappearance

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and chip & pepper t-shirts

14:33

they should totally make these nailpolishes to react to whatever fuck hormones chicks have,

14:33

so the morning after her nails are white, and two weeks later it's bleedin' purple

14:33

at some point 'flir' camera on phones will bring this game back.

14:33

hah

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^

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so you know, everyone in the bar knows who to hit on.

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once again the public will know when your crotch is sweaty

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maybe they could be free wirth obamacare

14:34

[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEEQ] 4000 @ 0.00012384 = 0.4954 BTC [-] {5}

14:34

it will do to 'pick uppery' what rifling did for small arms

14:34

we actually buy inks from the company that used to make those color-changing inks

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not color-changing ones, but still

14:34

asciilifeform ie, send everyone spinning ?

14:35

wut, temp sensitive nail polish?

14:35

jurov: yeah

14:35

anyway, please everyone don't read my supersikrit business idea

14:35

kakobrekla push ze logerase button pls.

14:35

http://www.salonsupplystore.co.za/introducing_lechat_perfect_match_mood_changing_colours

14:35

Introducing LeChat Perfect Match Mood Changing Colours - Salon Supply Store

14:35

there you go

14:35

let me just go raise 5m for chemgineering

14:35

"mood" = temperature

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apparently

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natch

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also lying=temperature

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also catching her nail in the door = temperature.

14:36

for some reason i picture the 'scope' as a gadget a la the MIT roulette cheating machine

14:36

fluffypony: so if there's an idea that's worthless, and the execution is everything, if you've made strides on execution that is a 'moat' in the parlance, ensaftifying your idea.

14:36

benkay you mean ensafeizing.

14:36

to avoid having to aim the scope, it would have to be mounted on... the user's crotch level.

14:36

(codpiece?)

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mircea_popescu - you wrote that you do not want to PM and that's not likely to change. Could you therefore answer here to the proposal I submitted to Polimedia?

14:36

ensaftifying my shoelaces

14:36

benaky isn't fructifying the right word?

14:36

asciilifeform hate to break it to you but crotch levels vary

14:36

!last m s.mpoe

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Last trade for S.MPOE on MPEX was at 0.000965 BTC [-]

14:37

all these made up words

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signifying the SAME DAMN THING

14:37

benkay: just to make sure I understand, you're talking about this: http://stocks.about.com/od/evaluatingstocks/a/072908moat.htm ?

14:37

dude naggum rules.

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*

fluffypony doesn't know the parlance. at all.

14:38

robwhiz22: i imagine you'd have to confess here wtf the 'proposal' is

14:38

Getting C programmers to understand that they cause the computer to do less than minimum is intractable. They would not /use/ C if they understood this point, so if you actually cause them to understand it in the course of a discussion, you will only make them miserable and hate their lives. People are pretty good at detecting that this is a likely outcome of thinking, and it takes conscious effort to brace yourself

14:38

and get through such experiences. Most people are not willing even to /listen/ to arguments or information that could threaten their comfortable view of their own existence, much less think about it, so when you cannot answer a C programmer's "arguments" that his way of life is just great the way it is, it is a pretty good sign that you let him set the agenda once he realized that his way of life was under threat. Sin

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ce you have nothing to defend, your self-preservation instinct will not activate hitherto unused parts of your brain to come up with reasons and rationalizations for what you have done, you will not be aware that you have been taken for a ride before it is over and you "lost".

14:38

or else your answer wouldn't make sense

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[HAVELOCK] [HIF] 895 @ 0.00038537 = 0.3449 BTC [-] {5}

14:38

an acceptable first pass, fluffypony

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*

fluffypony reads

14:39

" If you deny people the opportunity to defend something they feel is under threat, however, some people go completely insane with rage and actually believe that you threaten them on purpose and that you willfully seek to destroy something very valuable to them."

14:40

therer you go asciilifeform. "is mp a psychopath ?!?!?!" "definitely! he aims to destroy our shit!!1"

14:41

for those who never encountered naggum, he was a fellow who often bulldozed idiots as a public service, much like mircea_popescu.

14:42

my collection of naggumiana:

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http://www.loper-os.org/?p=165

14:42

asciilifeform, mircea_popescu has seen a proposal I submitted to polymedia and responded that "The best approach would be to join #bitcoin-assets on Freenode" and sent me a link ("http://webchat.freenode.net/?channels=bitcoin-assets if you don't have a client handy") which is what I called an invitation.

14:42

Loper OS » The Wisdom of Erik Naggum

14:42

asciilifeform, I would have preferred not to chat in here but of course am happy to do so if he requires it.

14:42

robwhiz22 i didn't see it. i just have a stock answer to all those that insist to aproach me personally as if we have some sort of a relationship.

14:42

robwhiz22: what sense would the reply make to the rest of us if we don't know the question?

14:42

asciilifeform why all the rage.. just finish the damn time machine and force K&R to lisp instead on that PDP

14:42

that stock answer is, join here, build the relationship you seem to imagine you already have, talk after.

14:42

on gunpoint if need be

14:43

jurov: may as well go back and zap the fellow responsible for tetraethyl lead in gasoline

14:43

why ?!

14:43

mircea_popescu, I see.

14:43

boost 20th c. iq by a point or two

14:43

i'd just go back in time and fuck cleo.

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lol!

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what!

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there was a great soviet cartoon about a kid who hates history class and then gets a time machine

14:44

he goes back and kills... just about everyone he failed exams on

14:44

lmao

14:44

goes home, and planet is run by intelligent fungi

14:44

whos exam he... flunks

14:44

okok

14:45

i'd go back in time and fuck

14:45

cleo's still warm corpse.

14:45

mircea_popescu, I'm unclear about what kind of relationship you have in mind.

14:45

;;google dear departed cadaver to enjoy

14:45

Lyrics: Dear Departed - Bob Kanefsky: <http://www.songworm.com/lyrics/songworm-parody/DearDeparted.html>; The Happy Haunted Horseshoe at the Magic Kingdom | DIS Blog: <http://blog.wdwinfo.com/2013/10/31/the-happy-haunted-horseshoe-at-the-magic-kingdom/>; The Crackle & The Static | Cadaver Club: <http://www.cadaverclub.com/?page_id=432>

14:46

robwhiz22 i don't have it in mind, you have it in mind. whatever it is in your mind that makes you think i could conceivably give a shit about your proposal.

14:47

see if benkay sends me a proposal ima prolly read it. but you're not benkay.

14:47

so become benkay.

14:47

no don't its horrible

14:47

benkay don't worry, the past two dozen lines were all a setup for me to say "become benkay"

14:47

it's a calophilous thing.

14:47

yeah you'll have to have your nick highlighted in green on my client if you become benkay

14:48

including the thing about warm necrofilia?

14:48

hm i guess im the only one knowing what calophilous is supposed to mean.

14:48

probably, I've never heard the word

14:48

it's a love of the form of phrase, unrelated to meaning. a fixation with getting aliterations and formal perfection.

14:49

you know, like coders.

14:49

tone poem

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(i believe that's the english term for it)

14:49

asciilifeform it just denotes the general preocupation. doesn't have to be a poem

14:49

alliterative code. maybe the next scrum.

14:49

hah

14:49

just, anyone who is [excessively] preocupied with written form and style to the possible detriment of meaning = calophile

14:50

Poem Masters will ensure that code is sung

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rhyming user stories

14:50

mircea_popescu, when I wrote you I quoted your announcement on cryptome in which you explicitly welcomed letters such as mine. Whether you have any interest in anyhting beyond it, or since abandoned that interest, is up to you to communicate.

14:50

kalophilos, exists as such in german

14:50

is this related to the cardano in some manner ?

14:51

you thought 3 line method calls were a thing?

14:51

now all must also be haiku

14:51

and rhyme

14:51

GO

14:51

oh, who was that philosopher guy with the headcase for exactly that again? or rather, seeing more meaning in language than there possibly can be, neatly reasoning cause to be effect and vv

14:51

benkay: GO like the language, or must we just go?

14:51

it's injunctive.

14:51

or self-defining

14:52

bounce just about ... half of them ?

14:52

mircea_popescu, yes. I opened my to you with: Dear Polimedia, \n In casually researching the Cardano I came across your announcement on Cryptome: \n http://cryptome.org/2013/10/bitcoin-usb-gpg.htm \n Which includes, in part, "Critique of the product welcomed."

14:53

well a big name german guy entirely hung up on language, can't remember his name. there's gotta be irony in there somewhere.

14:53

aite, so go ahead an' critique it.

14:53

interesting that someone might write a whatever re: cardano and not ask me.

14:53

You have my letter. The cardano is not fit for any purpose today. (But this can change easily.) Why don't you read my letter then.

14:53

it sux! -- there, universal critique of teh intarwebz. where's my cookie?

14:53

robwhiz22: share your shit.

14:53

stop derping and put it to the test.

14:54

i especially look forward to hearing about how the widget is 'not fit for any purpose.'

14:54

a letter in the mail/ in braille/ to johnny quest/

14:54

positively salivating!

14:54

robwhiz22 dude. i sent a letter to the guy running cryptome. because i know he's qualified. he published it. i see no problem with this. i am more than willing to extend the welcoming of critique to his readership, because if he judged this is a good idea i'm going on his hand.

14:54

worst case scenario you can replace me as class clown

14:54

*

benkay cartwheels off

14:54

i am however not transforming this into "please send me anon emails". you want to critique it, either publish it on cryptome, that critique, or on your blog, which i may eventually read if you're anybody

14:54

or else i guess here.

14:54

asciilifeform, why don't you get your boss to accept my proposal and you can stop salivating :)

14:55

why don't we just keep this circular "discussion" going instead

14:55

lol

14:55

it's the cartwheels, I'm telling ya

14:55

art imitates life

14:55

let me guess robwhiz22: you are charging for the full details of the critique.

14:55

no wai ?!

14:56

mike_c: also the contents of your computer has been encrypted...but for the very low fee of 10 BTC I can decrypt it for you

14:56

mike_c - no not exactly. I've written most of the details in the first email, and am including a proper well-edited write-up free of charge with the proposal.

14:56

suppose you just write the elevator speech in the next five minutes

14:56

or pastebin the letter

14:56

what am i, a highschool teacher, send me crap in double spaced comic sans fiont ?

14:56

save yourself some work

14:56

suppose you read my email? Don't you still have it?

14:56

robwhiz22: cardano is co-authored by me & mp. not dictated by him as work for hire. (see s.nsa contract on mpex.co for who's who)

14:57

i'd rather read proposals for turkish soap pilots.

14:57

robwhiz22: if you've something to suggest, please do it here

14:57

*

fluffypony starts writing a Turkish soap

14:57

asciilifeform, I'm sorry. He answered the email to Polimedia and called you the chief engineer - which is why I thought he was, 'your boss.'

14:58

what are you, from the 50s ? this is the 21st century, work relations are fluid.

14:58

this is painful

14:58

this is obviously a weak attempt at extortion. rob, you have picked the wrong victims.

14:58

http://www.xach.com/naggum/articles/3244575386963745@naggum.no.html << anyone wanna put this on reddit ?

14:59

Re: Lisp advocacy misadventures - Naggum cll archive

14:59

All right. asciilifeform, in my critique I showed what you say makes you 'salivate' - obviously, without charge - as spec work. A proper write-up is incldued for free with a larger proposal.

14:59

'included for free with receipt of payment'.

14:59

[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 12 @ 0.05686965 = 0.6824 BTC [+] {2}

14:59

nubbins` can you draw this one ?

14:59

robwhiz22: ok so you've formally confessed to being the earlier bozo.

14:59

mike_c, no, you have misunderstood. I included it in my email to Polimedia.

15:00

dont you mean polimedya /

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mircea_popescu, I don't know. The address says "polimedia.us"

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.bait

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http://31.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m2eiywadkV1qc3ldvo1_500.jpg

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asciilifeform will you be terribly annoyed with me if i point out that in fact the "run fast and without making sense" approach appeals ?

15:01

wow robwhiz22, stop being such a chore

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mircea_popescu: if it had no appeal, who would do it

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imh&uo, what's needed is a way to convert exploratory code from c to lisp, and have all old shit in lisp

15:01

just say what you wanna say here and again

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it wont kill you

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rather than take my ability away to write five bad lines of regex until i finally get grep to find what i wanted in the logs

15:02

"run nonsensically and slow" is rather popular these days too

15:02

as long as the "coding" is, er, "easy"?

15:02

that's the happy medium here, i tell you : hack the shit in c, then re-write it in lisp once it's in any seriousness going to be used by others for anything

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mircea_popescu: i use emacs and 'slime', personally. 'f1' key wired to 'eval sexpr in current cursor'

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yea see ?

15:02

http://www.loper-os.org/?p=202

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Loper OS » Tim Daly on Symbolics Lisp Machines

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it's not even anything else than *i don't think i could be bothered to use compuers at all without that*

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ooda loop

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it's really that big

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I use imacs! we have so much in common, asciilifeform

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:-P

15:03

This is how I started the email: "As described in your introduction to its specs, the Cardano it allows one point of certainty in an uncertain world . However insecure a computer might be to which it is connected, so long as a Cardano does not leave your possession, its private key can be relied on to work, and to be uncompromised, while it remains on the physical Cardano which does not export it under any circumstances. Moreover, yo

15:03

u can actually use that private key while preserving the above guarantees."

15:03

You should read it.

15:03

mircea_popescu: the bathtub catapult has some potential

15:03

satoshi hacked together bitcoin. still waiting for that rewrite..

15:03

mike_c indeed.

15:03

mike_c: MagicalTux was rewriting in PHP, innit?

15:03

for me, the biggest off-putting thing to learning lisp keeps on being having to accept emacs in the deal.

15:03

[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.05799879 = 0.29 BTC [+]

15:03

nah....you can use lisp with nano, too.

15:04

I then stated: "As beautiful as the idea is, the Cardano in its present form is unfit for any purpose whatsoever, as I will prove shortly. If interested in my follow-up proposal, I can prepare a more detailed overview detailing this conclusion. The main points are summarized below."

15:04

robwhiz22 dpaste it and link it here then

15:04

you'll get the benefit of all eyes

15:04

lisp, of whatever kind, without emacs, is quite like trying to do international business without knowing a word of english

15:04

certainly possible

15:04

but take a look at scheme. I prefer it over lisp now.

15:04

That is not how product proposals work, Shakespeare.

15:04

i kinda like nano

15:04

it is here

15:04

most of the trilema that's not written in vi is written in nano

15:04

used to use pico for ages.

15:04

at the very least, you need an editor that will match parens and auto-indent for you

15:05

mp is trying to tell you, you dont decide how things work

15:05

and, preferably, can be wired to the evaluator for real-time experimentation

15:05

i still use pico when i have need to create flat text files

15:05

this leaves... emacs+slime (and an obscure, experimental variant of 'vi')

15:05

(this isn't often)

15:05

It would not be responsible disclosure if I were to pastebin the rest of hte email here.

15:05

^ AHA

15:05

now we're getting to it

15:05

so you think it has a security flaw? then tell asciilifeform

15:05

he made the damn thing

15:06

how can you say it would not be responsible disclosure when that is exactly what the manufacturer is asking you to do.

15:06

^

15:06

robwhiz22: you may wish to consider becoming distinguishable from a nigerian spammer

15:06

also it isnt even in the wild

15:06

you arent hurting anyone

15:06

/timer 15 ^

15:06

and moreover... the product is not deployed. any disclosure is responsible by definition

15:06

who the fuck's gonna be harmed, the flies ?

15:06

sure it is, ascii uses it to generate his bitcoin wallets :)

15:06

I wrote privately to the Polimedia office at the address at which the Cryptome announcement solicited feedback.

15:06

*

Shakespeare collects another coke

15:06

mike_c: the rng.

15:07

mike_c: 'everybody' is obsessed with the rng, but it's 1960s tech.

15:07

not all of us can solder together our own trng

15:07

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ULDtgnQ0fy4

15:07

Dr. Seuss' Green Eggs and Ham - YouTube

15:08

mike_c: invest in a soldering iron. you'll be surprised at what can be made just from what people throw away.

15:08

upshot of having tech development go much faster is that now, if you're trying to dig "forgotten" tech back up, the people who originally made it might still be alive. not so much with, oh, the roman taxi meter, or things like that.

15:08

mircea_popescu, if you like I can prepare the disclosure for public consumption. You can then release it. For obvious reasons of haste, I did not include a highly polished and edited write-up with the preliminary email.

15:09

(But did included the main disclosures, which together make the current Cardano specs unfit for any purpose - although it is very close to being fit.)

15:09

so titillating

15:09

*

bounce proposes to include robwhiz22 in the premium version of the rng. such noise!

15:09

You will have the write-up to do with as you want, including releasing as-is. However I do not think that type of disclosure is necessary. I would suggest you simply deploy the specific mitigations in the verison that ships.

15:10

have you seen blogs.bitcoin-assets.com? nobody polishes their turds around here. just publish it.

15:10

i polish my turds ;/

15:10

some folks flunked spam school. didn't read 'spam like a pro in 21 days!' very attentively.

15:10

(nobody - mp). and he's not mp.

15:10

But to go back to my experience - overall all of the proposals of this type that I have written have been unpublished publicly. (i.e. for internal use.)

15:11

I mean the ones that were accepted and paid for. The ones that aren't accepted, I don't write.

15:11

i am not mp.

15:11

;;ident mircea_popescu

15:11

Nick 'mircea_popescu', with hostmask 'mircea_popescu!~Mircea@pdpc/supporter/silver/mircea-popescu', is not identified.

15:11

indeed you are not.

15:11

hm. i gues i am.

15:12

also, the brain specialist.

15:12

we're all bourbaki.

15:12

asciilifeform would you like to buy my "how to get laid in egypt if you had a time machine" guide ?

15:13

i'll be sure to pick one up before rocketing off to visit the ancients.

15:15

do consider it. bonus : no syphilis.

15:15

also no aids.

15:15

By the way I did not realize that you were not shipping this item at all, since I ran across a post that says it is shipping by xmas 2013, as well as I saw prototype that seemed nearly usable.

15:15

the worst a slutty pharaoh can give you is a little itchin'.

15:15

[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEEQ] 1068 @ 0.00011803 = 0.1261 BTC [-] {3}

15:16

robwhiz22 it's not shipping yet.

15:16

mircea_popescu, do you have a target date?

15:16

but nice going on the boundry checking lol. srsly, it works.

15:17

;;ticker --market all

15:17

we had a few, but they eventually married asciilifeform

15:17

Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 443.99, vol: 8359.37391303 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 439.01, vol: 10356.42525 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 444.6949, vol: 3915.71754561 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 465.0, vol: 73.10496054 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 440.78451, vol: 2176.43740000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 457.52625, vol: 0.74955489 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 461.17156151, vol: 55.29248739 | Volume-weighted last (1 more message)

15:17

;;more drama

15:17

Error: I haven't seen drama.

15:17

til gribs is blind

15:17

mircea_popescu, yes I thought also that it works and thought it might be shipping. For security reasons it is obviously a great benefit if it is not quite clear whether it is shipping, to whom, and in what quantities.

15:18

also for insecurities reasons.

15:18

yes, also for marketing reasons :)

15:19

i.e. if there is a beta phase.

15:20

why's you lot so worried about teh cardano anyway ? it's just a strong crypto device with impenetrable rng, what of it ?

15:21

the world's going there anyway.

15:21

mircea_popescu, I agree with you. I think it has a large market.

15:22

right right. anyway, review teh sec letters. nsa wants to talk it'd better not be sending me derpy proposals in the mail. get ready for a full exchange agreement, and i get to veto the next president.

15:22

i'm not the fucking french, a little respect wtf.

15:23

mircea_popescu, thank you for the compliment :) But the proposal is not the work of an organization. I would, as stated, personally offer it. As well it has its limits and must be taken in as just an internal proposal.

15:24

mircea_popescu, unlike the NSA which tends to hand-wave as they propose certain specific vulnerabilities without giving reasons, my reasoning is stated. This is part of why it is a bit difficult to prepare the proposal in full and I don't do it except if an initial offer is accepted.

15:25

[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.05799 = 0.116 BTC [-]

15:25

mircea_popescu, i.e. because it must be well-thought out, detailed, and edited, with supporting arguments. It is quite a bit of work to do an internal design proposal for these reasons.

15:28

http://www.reddit.com/r/French/comments/22ljai/potential_phonetic_translation_of_word_i_heard/

15:28

my sides

15:29

tldr: french guy is making out with girl in bar. she says "i'm pos". guy hears "io

15:29

"i'm pause" and rails her

15:30

robwhiz22: why not publish your letter to polimedia here?

15:31

but then he can't get paid

15:31

why, someone else's going to do the security proposal thinger for cash?

15:31

no, if he blows his wad here for free, he can

15:31

't sell it

15:32

he sent polimedia a thing tho, right?

15:32

having major problems with the placement of my return key here today

15:32

afaik he sent a coles notes version without any details

15:32

"click here to subscribe and keep reading" sorta thing

15:33

nubbins`, I am not exactly selling that. I described it in full in the email, and I am happy to clean it up for public consumption for free, along with my follow-up proposal.

15:33

i want the notes!

15:33

robwhiz22: so what are you trying to sell?

15:33

benkay - I didn't mean to cause you to want them. For the moment they belong only to Polimedia.

15:33

punkman

such cocktease

15:33

https://twitter.com/LangoschMLB/status/453978433098633216

15:33

Twitter / LangoschMLB: Well, if you don't like what ...

15:34

if mircea_popescu wants he can release the write-up, I will clean it up as part of the follow-up proposal.

15:34

so you're selling... editing services?

15:34

nubbins`, I submitted a proposal to Polimedia, as part of it I gave the "notes" benkay is referring to. I didn't tease with the notes or allude to them.

15:34

mircea_popescu: would you pastebin the thing?

15:34

robwhiz22: I'll buy the notes you have so far for a princely 0.0025 BTC

15:35

ill pay the same but have buttcoin instead

15:35

[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 3 @ 0.0355 = 0.1065 BTC [+] {2}

15:35

I'll pay double but in FluffyCoin

15:35

BingoBoingo, this isn't an auction. It is up to Polimedia to publish them when it is ready to do so. (If it wants to.)

15:36

[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10 @ 0.05521002 = 0.5521 BTC [-] {3}

15:36

Other clients I've made such submissions to (who have paid for them) use the results very happily, but do not publish my work directly. THat's the sense in which I meant it is internal.

15:36

Hmmm... mircea_popescu has been quite. I sense a Trilema coming

15:36

He could be reading the emails.

15:37

As I said, I didn't tease with the notes but summarized in full.

15:37

Though I should edit them if they were to be posted publicly. (Something I don't suggest at this stage.)

15:37

*

nubbins` groans

15:37

whats this about anyway

15:37

his sides!

15:37

I suggest if he likes hte notes, that he accept my proposal, wait to receive the results, and then he can publish if he feels the need.

15:37

kakobrekla, nobody fucking knows

15:38

do we get to see buttcoin or not

15:38

the riddler here won't tell us

15:38

Fine, I'll offer 0.01 for an authenticated Buttcoin

15:39

BingoBoingo: I just made one in paint, will that do?

15:39

fluffypony: No, a sharpie is required

15:39

Or some off brand laundry marker if you are a heathen

15:39

lol

15:39

we don't get Sharpies here

15:40

fluffypony: It is less about the kind of marker and more what you do with it.

15:40

BingoBoingo: *wink*

15:41

;;google Trilema buttcoins nao

15:41

They really are Buttcoins nao pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.: <http://trilema.com/they-really-are-buttcoins-nao>; Perfect money corrupts absolutely pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea ...: <http://trilema.com/2013/perfect-money-corrupts-absolutely/>; Februarie 2013 pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.: <http://trilema.com/2013/02>

15:42

yeah that was mentioned earlier today

15:42

I've had enough scarring for one evening

15:42

you don't get sharpies?

15:42

scaring?

15:42

use the fake wife?

15:42

where do you live, the moon? :(

15:42

nubbins`: apparently some stores do carry them, but they're uncommon. Staedler is massive.

15:43

I have another commitment. mircea_popescu thank you for taking the time to consider the proposals. Please feel free to reply by email, including with any questions or clarificatoins.

15:43

what country?

15:43

kakobrekla: index finger or ring finger?

15:43

nubbins`: oh sorry, South Africa

15:43

ah

15:43

what do you mean 'or' ?

15:43

wat se!

15:43

kakobrekla: and/or?

15:43

i guess and would fit.

15:43

http://www.staedtler.com/en/products/markers-refill-ink/universal-pens/lumocolor-permanent-laundry-319-lm-permanent-laundry-marker/

15:44

nubbins`: ek se niks;)

15:44

:D

15:44

BingoBoingo: NO WAY! It has my name on the shirt!

15:45

well the short form anyway

15:45

it's like its fate

15:45

<3

15:45

your name is Laundry ?

15:45

^

15:46

kakobrekla: Laundryopolous, actually

15:46

fluffypony: we just need to work out a message for you to write, so we know it is really you nao

15:46

thats not a name.

15:47

kakobrekla: you caught me

15:47

apparent as garr.

15:48

http://imgur.com/r4GoMbU

15:48

imgur: the simple image sharer

15:50

Ƀ1.4893

15:50

eugh

15:50

http://bitcoinsymbol.org <- they need to stfu

15:51

Garr:

15:51

http://www.lukegilman.com/high-on-the-hog/wp-content/uploads/2009/07/alligator-gar-hunting-trini.jpg

15:53

myea, hard to hide

15:53

Garr is one ugly fish

15:58

http://www.ultimatewarrior.com/Pages/SOUL_ReadTeach.html

15:58

Readings & Teachings

16:02

http://deadspin.com/the-ultimate-warrior-was-an-insane-dick-1561275496

16:02

The Ultimate Warrior Was An Insane Dick

16:03

which is better, python or lisp?

16:06

Depends on what you are doing

16:07

java?

16:07

;o

16:07

pLambert: php all the way, this guy confirms: https://twitter.com/php_ceo/

16:07

java!

16:08

fluffypony: why does he use ALL CAPS?

16:08

pLambert: because he's the PHP CEO!

16:09

I'm sure this one hit hard: https://twitter.com/PHP_CEO/status/441222994296180736

16:09

probably the fake php ceo

16:09

real php ceo would use a mix of all caps, camel case, underlines, and dashes

16:09

hah hah

16:09

[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEEQ] 1049 @ 0.00011721 = 0.123 BTC [-] {2}

16:10

And B=======D

16:10

they should've used that as a namespace separator

16:12

this is kinda funny

16:12

http://www.bloomberg.com/video/bitcoin-money-supply-lags-guatemalan-quetzal-UI5wDhT7RfqlWkKMRGTp2A.html

16:12

Bitcoin Money Supply Lags Guatemalan Quetzal: Video - Bloomberg

16:13

http://i.imgur.com/WRP5DsD.gif

16:13

whassat Shakespeare ?

16:14

idiots showing data as if it matters

16:14

and then derping

16:14

shows USD supply as big boner and bitcoin as laughable

16:14

it's only a couple mins

16:15

i guess cuz increase in monetary supply is good

16:15

[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEEQ] 1094 @ 0.00011624 = 0.1272 BTC [-] {2}

16:15

asciilifeform: what's the story with haskell?

16:17

benkay: you use it to experiment and have some fun, then switch to something else for real life

16:17

[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEEQ] 1000 @ 0.00011605 = 0.1161 BTC [+] {2}

16:18

https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=994033 will be interesting how this sorts out

16:18

994033 – Most StartSSL certs will stay compromised

16:19

look jurov your friends

16:19

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=563793.0

16:19

New Shares on Bitcoin Bourse: Hedge Fund BTC "HFB"

16:20

[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEEQ] 1068 @ 0.00011596 = 0.1238 BTC [-] {3}

16:22

;;later tell davout "We are searching for someone to help us lodge a complaint with AMF, can you recommend anyone? This bourse stuff is completely lame but he's too persistent."

16:22

The operation succeeded.

16:22

Naphex: you do java?

16:24

jurov, i would go http://www.amf-france.org/Formulaires-et-declarations/Contact.html?lst_select_form_theme_id=signalement

16:24

i know but it's better to competently translate it to french

16:24

and on the scrolldown chose "Présomption d'offre irrégulière de produits ou de services financiers"

16:25

daybyter: java, c, py, whatever i might need

16:25

but for serious stuff i usually prefer java

16:25

me too!

16:25

throw in some C optimizations if things are slow

16:25

I write trade stuff in java...

16:25

java...

16:26

ofc a java guy sez to abandon haskell for real world stuff

16:27

hum bitcointalk.org still haven't replaced their SSL cert

16:27

[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 9 @ 0.05689 = 0.512 BTC [+]

16:27

https://github.com/ReAzem/cryptocoin-tradelib

16:27

http://www.vanityfair.com/online/daily/2014/04/edward-snowden-interview

16:27

Snowden Speaks: A Vanity Fair Exclusive | Vanity Fair

16:28

Apocalyptic: how do you know? I rerequested them at comodo and they issued them with same date as original ones

16:29

jurov, that's weird

16:29

Apocalyptic: almost all of them dont change the date on the new ones

16:29

i assumed they would indeed update the date

16:29

why would they do something that makes sense

16:30

kako dat gif

16:35

" In response to whispers in the intelligence community that Snowden has “a doomsday cache” in his possession, Snowden retorts, “Who would set up a system that incentivizes others to kill them?”"

16:35

lel, +1

16:38

[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.056 = 0.112 BTC [-]

16:41

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mtiArBwMnTA

16:41

The Birthday Party - King Ink Live LIVE - YouTube

16:45

http://pastebin.com/mAxugvj9 wooow that was quick

16:45

Dear Jurov, http://log.bitcoin-assets.com now you talk about complaint on - Pastebin.com

16:45

nubbins`: i want to pay off the rest for that painting

16:45

i know it won't make it to the conference

16:45

but better late than never eh?

16:45

;D

16:46

heh

16:46

indeed it is!

16:47

jurov: Does the dude do anything other than stalk you and make scams?

16:47

;;ticker --last

16:47

442.06

16:47

;;calc 400/[ticker --last]

16:47

0.904854544632

16:48

^ :)

16:48

if he stalked me he'd perhaps know i have no gold&silver company

16:48

amf = sec?

16:48

yes

16:48

"your shares will be frozen" now, that is actual blackmail

16:48

jurov: Never suggested he was effectual in it

16:49

yes, that will definitely go into the complaint

16:49

and the shares were almost completely useless since the beginning

16:50

but first, as per recent trilema recommendation, i shall comprehensively blog about it

16:53

"i will inform all shareholders about your doings."

16:53

can we get the same message again, but this time without the shuffle() ?

16:53

lol the more i reread it the funnier it is

16:53

about your dongs

16:53

what is shuffled?

16:53

nevermind, its a metajoke

16:54

right, bed time

16:54

night all

16:54

but i feels good knowing at least someone is reading ze logs

16:54

hi markus!

16:56

"money laundering like you do with gold &

16:56

silver company will bring you to prison!" dafuq

16:56

you're selling precious metals jurov ?

16:56

no, he thinks i'm with company together with forensick (martin)

16:57

but dunno if he actually sells metals, either

16:58

guy seems to be butthurt and scared pretty bad to write such a piece

16:58

he definitely is

17:02

fucking lol

17:02

> you are all only critic the people who are more clever than you!

17:02

--> dotcoin (5d10ab51@gateway/web/freenode/ip.93.16.171.81) is here ... welcome :)

17:03

hello jurov

17:03

once more a story from you

17:03

i hear dotcoin is a qt

17:03

tell me why you want file a complaint on AMF

17:04

Oh, I won't go hungry today. Not with Mr Word Salad here.

17:04

they're coming dotcoin, it's too late

17:04

what organization does he operate

17:04

https://bitcointa.lk/threads/new-shares-on-bitcoin-bourse-hedge-fund-btc-hfb.296970/

17:04

your name makes me afraid Apolcalyptic

17:04

New Shares on Bitcoin Bourse: Hedge Fund BTC "HFB" | Bitcointa.lk

17:05

dotcoin if you did not lock your threads on trolltalk, i'd write this in all of them

17:05

oh yeah this guy

17:05

dotcoin, that's good

17:05

dotcoin, be a clever man and cut your losses

17:05

i don't need nor want to explain more

17:05

you are in shark waters not a kiddie pool

17:06

i like funny guys like you

17:06

youll enjoy a legal battle several years from now and end up indebted to creditors

17:06

no eggs and behind a keyboard

17:06

or maybe you'll just skip go, not collect 200, and go straight to prison

17:06

trolls day compled because no work?

17:07

have a nice day

17:07

So waste time here, tell the AMF they can sue me after they have declared Bitcoin as Money or currency, N8 at all

17:08

!jd

17:08

Just-Dice stat: 0 BTC profit, 0.0k BTC invested, 0.00 mio bets, 0.00 mio BTC wagered

17:09

dooglus stole it all?

17:09

wtf

17:09

!jd

17:10

Just-Dice stat: 0 BTC profit, 0.0k BTC invested, 0.00 mio bets, 0.00 mio BTC wagered

17:10

definitively broken

17:10

had a mini heart attack there. thought my coins were gone

17:10

bang jd breaks when they change IP addresses

17:10

are there any other gambling sites I can invest in?

17:11

I dont wanna put all my coins in just-dive

17:11

*dice

17:11

chairman_meow: how much?

17:11

jurov: it doesnt matter really

17:11

I tried https://ice-dice.com/ for a while, but I don't really have any reason to trust it

17:12

a calculator of expected gains would be nice, as each have different invested/volume ratios, I suppose

17:12

wao-ender

chairman_meow: let's spin at https://coinroll.it/

17:13

really, the owners of jd can run away with the money and live a good life

17:14

any designers here interested to help with a smartphone app?

17:14

wao-ender

you mean dooglus?

17:14

well, the invested/volume is constantly changing. you can see historical monthly jd returns here: http://www.btcalpha.com/income/

17:15

wild idea: create a meta investment arbitraging between dice sites

17:15

of course, you're adding new risks

17:16

arbitrage between dice sites? how?

17:16

there's no arbitrage. but you mean just switching like mining pools do?

17:16

yes

17:17

JD is 2 orders of magnitude bigger. not sure there's much switching to be done.

17:17

geeze #bitcoin-otc is just full of n00bs these days

17:17

I see

17:17

what the actual fuck

17:17

or scammers posing as noobs?

17:18

no otc is to buy/sell btc right

17:18

no one is selling or buying

17:18

they are just in their wanking off

17:18

eternal september?

17:22

http://www.androidpolice.com/2014/04/06/the-1-new-paid-app-in-the-play-store-costs-4-has-over-10000-downloads-a-4-7-star-rating-and-its-a-total-scam/

17:22

app protects from malware by... er, giving you the ability to set and remove a check mark in a shield?

17:23

my app could do more...

17:24

but does your app have a 4.7 star rating?

17:24

I remember some similar windows applications, claimed to speed up your computer etc.

17:24

the monitor cleaner was better

17:24

placebo applications

17:37

<nubbins`> http://imgur.com/r4GoMbU << that shit's creepy as fuck

17:38

please don't be gayporn

17:39

well it does kinda look like a goth dude with bib boobs

17:39

big

17:40

<jurov> but first, as per recent trilema recommendation, i shall comprehensively blog about it << i'll tweet you.

17:41

<jurov> what is shuffled? << remember how the logs were messed up on april 1st ? and someone said "omfg the log now reads like the forum" ? well, that.

17:42

yes? i completely missed that up

17:42

http://bash.bitcoin-assets.com/?quote=93

17:42

#bitcoin-assets bash

17:43

unintentional correct use of term of art.

17:43

eval(translate(intoalanguage(<dotcoin> trolls day compled because no work?))) === ?

17:44

mircea, I have about half of bcoinnews.com redone - see if you think it is too busy when you have a sec

17:45

If you don't mind :)

17:47

jborkl http://www.webpagetest.org/result/140409_25_11JA/

17:47

main problem would be... it takes like a minute to pop.

17:48

ah ok, I know what to do about that then- thank you

17:48

also i dunno why you'd recommend anyone upgrade to 9.1. more like downgrade to 6.3 or something.

17:48

well, anthing before .8 wont work anymore right?

17:48

http://www.bcoinnews.com/kncminer-neptune-update/ < i see three boxes around article. any reason ?

17:48

KNCminer Neptune update | Bitcoin news

17:48

but otherwise imo much improvement.

17:49

jborkl .4 works, what, you kidding ?

17:49

I thought they switched DB and said it was not compatible

17:49

maybe they just said that

17:50

never actually tried it to see, oh mining against bitcoind wouldnt work

17:50

if you did not switch

17:50

it works just fine, you have to actually add a db config

17:53

well, I know if you upgraded to the .8? or newer you would then have to dl the old blockchain to use a prior version. I remember it created - anyway I did not know you could still use the old versions

17:53

very good to know

17:54

sure you can use them. the last hardfork was made by satoshi himself, if memory serves moving from .3

17:55

nobody hence perceived he'd have the authority to do so (and rightly)

17:56

so version .9 is completely broken?

17:56

it seems we are better off writing our own bitcoin client at this point...

17:56

;;google site:trilema.com bitcoind

17:56

Bitcoind : not quite ready for prime time pe Trilema - Un blog de ...: <http://trilema.com/bitcoind-not-quite-ready-for-prime-time>; Bitcoin was written by the retarded, part II pe Trilema - Un blog de ...: <http://trilema.com/2014/bitcoin-was-written-by-the-retarded-part-ii/>; It's called Eulora pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.: <http://trilema.com/its-called-eulora>

17:59

thestringpuller more implementations can't hurt.

18:00

fixed that strangeness with the borders, for some reason WP decided it needed a bunch of <tr> and <td> tags

18:00

but i wouldn't trust anything coming from the powerfully retarded rangers. they tried to get heartbleed into bitcoin, who knows what else they've baked into there we don't know about.

18:00

!jd

18:00

Just-Dice stat: 0 BTC profit, 0.0k BTC invested, 0.00 mio bets, 0.00 mio BTC wagered

18:00

might as well just deposit your btc with the local court if you swing that way.

18:00

well, they did give us the hardfork a year ago..

18:00

it didn't actually fork tho.

18:01

mighty hearn did

18:01

I like this in 0.9: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/2121

18:01

if i recall, bitcoind has some relatively 'dirty' (changes in recent years) library deps

18:01

berkeley db?

18:01

well yes you are correct. it went the wrong direction lol

18:01

[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 6 @ 0.04849999 = 0.291 BTC [+] {3}

18:01

[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 4 @ 0.03540005 = 0.1416 BTC [-] {2}

18:02

yeah bdb

18:02

'you may not be interested in war, but war is interested in you.'

18:02

iirc it was a block that had over 1000 transaction in it

18:02

and they didnt test that out first to see what happened

18:04

Slush took a left and everyone else took a right

18:05

there was summation bug that allowed a transaction to output a truckload of coins

18:05

when it was fixed, the chain was hard forked

18:06

chairman_meow this in like 2010 tho

~ 17 minutes ~

18:23

mircea, I just went ahead and got a VPS

18:24

I needed root anyway

18:24

asciilifeform: would protobufs be one of those dirty changes?

18:25

quite a few. dig if you like.

18:26

think like enemy. where would you put the surprise egg?

18:27

in my butt

18:28

[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.03504 = 0.1752 BTC [-] {3}

18:28

[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 5 @ 0.0485 = 0.2425 BTC [+] {3}

18:28

[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 2 @ 0.08299776 = 0.166 BTC [-] {2}

18:36

[HAVELOCK] [HMF] 33 @ 0.00758175 = 0.2502 BTC [+] {6}

18:48

http://explo.yt/post/2014/04/10/BitcoinBeware davout mircea_popescu

18:48

BitcoinBeware - serialized delusions

18:49

shouldn't it be "I invested" instead of "I have invested"?

18:50

changed into "I did invest"

18:50

anything else?

18:51

missing space after December 2013: (always irks me :p)

18:52

found some massive scallops in the freezer

18:52

non-existant

18:52

non-existent*

18:52

just had an epic dinner with them

18:52

;;google .yt tld

18:53

.yt - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/.yt>; Register .YT Domain: Buy TLD Extension/Suffix Mayotte, Registrar ...: <https://iwantmyname.com/domains/yt-mahoran-domain-name-registration-for-mayotte>; yt Domains - Domain Who is by 101Domain.com: <http://www.101domain.com/yt.htm>

18:53

well, TIL.

18:55

so my friend was over earlier and he showed me this new book he'd bought

18:55

it's an exact reprinting of the first edition of the king james bible

18:55

complete with typos, typesetting errors, etc

18:55

lots of paragraph marks, entire blank pages, etc

18:56

apparently this caused no small amount of consternation when first published

18:59

thx pankkake

19:03

great post jurov. "no one was interested to buy my shares" -> "no one was interested in buying my shares".

19:04

yup

19:04

btw if we ever actually start a religion, we can have the reincarnation cycle.

19:04

bad doobies have to hash by hand until they find a block

19:04

that's nirvana

19:07

[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 800 @ 0.00014506 = 0.116 BTC [-] {5}

19:07

Church of Sudo. Cult of the Super User. Order of Root.

19:07

those are some names I've kicked around

19:08

"In Crypto We Trust" "In the BlockChain We Trust" "We are One on the Web"

19:08

(regarding the 'if we ever actually start a religion' comment)

19:08

I was looking at armory the other day and they mentioned they were never going to cut the cord with bitcoind for fear of creating a fork.

19:09

hmm s.mpoe is back to 0.000965

19:09

it seems having a popular alternate client is actually a good opportunity to write a new client by calculating shit yourself and comparing against what bitcoind does.

19:09

lots of in-the-wild use, meaning lots of test cases

19:10

and yet it's now storing a whole separate indexed blockchain

19:10

so bitcoind isn't used for much except read blocks and push txs

19:11

and it doesn't seem hard to process those yourself, and then see if your code would have done the same thing.

19:11

if no 'virtual forks' for a year, then presto. new reference client.

19:12

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=343503.0

19:12

[ANN] Protocoin - a pure Python Bitcoin protocol implementation

19:13

pankkake, there is pretty usefull SPV electrum client, no bitcoind marriage

19:13

but I suppose the electrum servers rely on bitcoind

19:13

pankkake, yep

19:15

they are dreaming about rebuilding electrum server on sx, but i don't cross my fingers

19:16

https://twitter.com/Mircea_Popescu/status/454029472757719040 thanks!

19:16

Twitter / Mircea_Popescu: Jurov sez beware ...

19:22

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11468 @ 0.00096258 = 11.0389 BTC [-] {2}

19:30

what do you guys use for IRC?

19:31

mirc/xchat?

19:32

TIME TO MAKE EVERYONE HATE ME. Pidgin.

19:32

"P

19:32

:P

19:32

Duffer1, weechat

19:34

[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 2 @ 0.08299776 = 0.166 BTC [-]

19:34

Duffer1: pm

19:35

irssi, planning to go weechat one day

19:36

thanks i'll check them out

19:42

In other news, I met some guy today locally because he wants to set up a bitcoin meetup in my area, he's not very techy just interested in coin, he casually mentioned to me he bought a BFL miner and that he plugged the supply into UK mains and blew it and asked if I could help, went and took a look...

19:42

turns out he had a BFL SC Single, sitting in the box doing nothing...since November

19:42

I still can't believe that just happened

19:43

for those not in the know, if he had that running since November, he'd have made about $20k worth of BTC.

19:43

did you tell him?

19:43

yup

19:44

did he cry?

19:44

he was just like "Oh well"

19:44

poor guy

19:44

indeed

19:46

Duffer1: irccloud is the tits

19:47

thanks Mats

19:48

Duffer1: irssi++

19:49

used to use BitchX like 15 years ago or more. finally, after years of people telling me about irssi, switched.

19:51

i'm tired of browser IRC, time to get a real program

19:51

xchat is probably the easiest to start with

19:51

yeah, its nice to get a client running on a *nix host, if for no other reason, you can run it in a screen session and then attach/detach

19:51

i rather like browser irc, irccloud maintains a persistent connection

19:52

so its basically screen/irssi without any hassle

19:52

but i don't irc anywhere other than my desktop anyways though

19:52

https://public.bn1.livefilestore.com/y2phoIfiYJoK42afiJxQTf_9u5b01-x2I939I7u32nHqsKxuoOKDwJxl70MjD6CjeetX5FMJxUMStObRmMVApTxFRu49kRktBJO90g9OjqGCSo/IRC%20Cloud%20Channel%20Screenshot%201.png?psid=1&rdrts=71711565

19:52

hassle!?

19:53

no hassle with nix+screen+irssi ;)

19:53

yes, i find using terminal on my phone tedious

19:53

oh. well, lol.

19:53

get a computer?

19:53

if you're a heavy irc user, then irssi certainly isn't a hassle

19:53

(irccloud has an android client)

19:54

it's also my IM client (through minbif)

19:54

i know im shilling hard here but seriously its good

19:54

hehe

19:54

ive used my screen+irssi via connectbot on my phone a bunch. works for reading stuff, but not so great for conversing. better to just read the log instead.

19:54

(erc)

19:54

[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEEQ] 3100 @ 0.0001152 = 0.3571 BTC [-] {4}

19:55

screen+weechat over mosh, absolutely amazing!

19:55

AMAZING COMPANY!

19:57

are there any other words that assbot is excited about?

19:57

phf

benkay: the only client there is

19:58

omg yikes, an emacs client?!

19:58

*

mod6 runs

19:59

[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 20 @ 0.05553388 = 1.1107 BTC [-] {5}

20:00

kryydf, https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/IRC_channels , but most of them are kinda empty

20:00

wrong window :)

20:01

one thing that i seem to remember that I didn't like (many many moons ago) about xchat is that if you derp-paste a bunch of stuff into the wrong window, it doens't ask you if you're sure you'd like to do spammy paste.

20:02

irssi does ask, on the other hand.

20:02

CTRL+K to paste spam

20:03

mod6, weechat blocks it too

20:03

ahh coo

20:03

oh look who finally decides to show up

20:03

*

thestringpuller looks at mod6

20:03

lol

20:04

ahh looks reasonable, dignork

20:04

lol thestringpuller

20:04

got my teef drilled. ugh.

20:04

my entire face is numb.

20:04

they loaded me up.

20:05

*

mod6 drools

20:07

*

jurov uses Konversation. tried irssi but it was a pain

20:07

couldn't get it configured?

20:08

(the way you wanted it)

20:09

[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEEQ] 10000 @ 0.00010619 = 1.0619 BTC [-] {20}

20:10

not sure if the window management can be configured to get at least halfway to my mental model

20:10

ah

20:10

and i was also "lucky" to run into 6yr old bugs with otr

20:11

jurov, try weechat, no stick/unstick madness, and otr works too

20:11

irssi otr known to be buggy

20:11

done shilling for today

20:11

i just funded development of spiffy znc-otr plugin

20:11

stick/unstick?

20:12

https://github.com/mmilata/znc-otr

20:12

Duffer1, irssi has a weird idea about split-window functionality

20:12

so i don't have to stick to one client

20:12

isee

20:12

*

mod6 has never used split

20:13

*

dignork has a hude monitor, one window is too depressing

20:13

*huge

20:13

ah.

20:15

[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEEQ] 20000 @ 0.00006848 = 1.3696 BTC [-] {36}

20:16

[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 17500 @ 0.00013371 = 2.3399 BTC [-] {16}

20:16

oh and original znc-otr succeeded to crash weechat's otr

20:16

so i'm not going to trust that one, too :)

20:18

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24900 @ 0.00096551 = 24.0412 BTC [+]

20:19

jurov, i have otr in weechat, want to try crushing it? just curious.

20:27

[HAVELOCK] [SFI] 148 @ 0.00075999 = 0.1125 BTC [-] {2}

20:28

[HAVELOCK] [SFI] 339 @ 0.00077999 = 0.2644 BTC [+] {2}

20:29

Sammey, printf("We're all going to die\n");

20:30

dammit, multi-window has it problems

20:30

lol otr

20:30

thestringpuller, but why?

20:31

no i was saying it's good stuff

20:32

i was just lol'ing cause i've talked about otr unrelated to this channel today; so lol'ing at the coincidence

20:37

[HAVELOCK] [COG] 9 @ 0.01799222 = 0.1619 BTC [+] {2}

20:49

decimation

mircea_popescu: "kalophilos, exists as such in german" << I see what you did there

20:51

[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 4 @ 0.035125 = 0.1405 BTC [-] {2}

20:54

[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 24 @ 0.00584957 = 0.1404 BTC [+] {2}

20:57

[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 15 @ 0.05552202 = 0.8328 BTC [-] {4}

21:01

SatoshiJack

;;ident

21:01

Nick 'SatoshiJack', with hostmask 'SatoshiJack!d05aad12@gateway/web/freenode/ip.208.90.173.18', is identified as user 'SatoshiJack', with GPG key id 5A0C8593D887E89E, key fingerprint BFAC5777A91C88D4F021C28B5A0C8593D887E89E, and bitcoin address None

21:09

[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 12 @ 0.03439166 = 0.4127 BTC [-] {6}

21:09

.d

21:09

6.120 billion | Next Diff in 1327 blocks | Estimated Change: 3.8349% in 8d 20h 31m 57s

21:11

;;ticker

21:11

Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 440.71, Best ask: 442.09, Bid-ask spread: 1.38000, Last trade: 440.71, 24 hour volume: 7899.65578584, 24 hour low: 438.08, 24 hour high: 457.3, 24 hour vwap: 446.436343416

21:15

thestringpuller: ping

21:18

whats up benkay, thestringpuller is in transit or something

21:18

cool

21:18

so he pushed us back a bit, which works fine for me.

21:19

ah neat

21:26

https://medium.com/matter/22979c8ec9d6

21:28

[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 25 @ 0.0555008 = 1.3875 BTC [-] {2}

21:32

;;commands

21:32

8ball, ?, about, action, add, alert, alias, allvwap, announce, announce add, announce list, announce remove, any, aol, apply, apropos, asks, at, auth, author, avgprc, balance, ban add, ban list, ban remove, baratio, base, bashorg, bc,24hprc, bc,bear, bc,bitpenny, bc,blocks, bc,btcguild, bc,bull, bc,calc, bc,convert, bc,deepbit, bc,eligius, bc,fx, bc,gen, bc,help, bc,intersango, (10 more messages)

21:32

;;seen cads

21:32

cads was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 5 days, 0 hours, 8 minutes, and 57 seconds ago: <cads> being Professor Cads in an underground university

21:32

hes dead

21:37

mikaeldice

;;aol

21:37

(aol <text>) -- Returns <text> as if an AOLuser had said it.

21:37

;;aol i wonder what this will do to my text

21:37

i wonder what this will do 2 my text:):):)

21:37

mikaeldice

;;aol I want to invest in bitcoin securities

21:37

I want 2 invest in bitcoin securities:-D:-D:-D

21:38

;;aol heh

21:38

heh:-):-):-)

21:38

mikaeldice

It's just like bitcointalk

21:41

;;halfreward

21:41

Estimated time of bitcoin block reward halving: Wed Aug 24 22:01:08 2016 UTC | Time remaining: 2 years, 19 weeks, 4 days, 20 hours, 20 minutes, and 0 seconds.

21:41

Y3K

21:42

;;nethash

21:42

46351402.5937

21:44

i butthurt gribble. <gribble> You've given me 12 commands within the last minute; I'm now ignoring you for 5 minutes.

21:45

[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 40 @ 0.05523061 = 2.2092 BTC [-] {6}

21:47

what are your thoughts on the price spike of btc so close to the block reward halving?

21:49

good news

21:49

but were they entirely related?

21:50

when was the last halvening?

21:50

November 28, 2013

21:50

bitstamp high happened November 30, 2013

21:52

Bueller?

21:54

unrelated. plus, who cares. next one isn't for 2 years.

21:54

supply and demand curves always hold, mike_c

21:55

yes.. but supply != block reward

21:55

I cares

21:55

you're entirely wrong.

21:56

oh yeah? well, YOU'RE entirely wrong.

21:56

supply is that which is constant!

21:56

if you're talking about mined BTC, that supply definitely dropped

21:56

say like, 50 percent

21:56

the only constant input in the system is the mining reward

21:56

sorry that was rude of me, mike_c

21:57

(not butthurt). but the system being discussed is supply on the exchanges. which is not equal to freshly mined coins. many other factors.

21:58

input into system

21:58

ooo I like that... like a thermodynamics equation

22:02

only valid frame of reference, TestingUnoDosTre

22:02

Benkay is right supply is static, it is demand we don't know about

22:02

how is supply static?

22:02

*during a diff change

22:02

We know how many btc there will be next year

22:02

approximately

22:02

we know how many btc there will be per block

22:03

it's not static. supply is not how many btc there are, it's how many are for sale.

22:03

That is demand

22:03

no, buyers are demand. sellers are supply

22:03

supply is input into the system

22:03

^

22:03

its the only way you can make the thing conserve

22:03

which is the whole damn point

22:03

for instance, mp has a bunch of coins. they are not supply because they are not for sale.

22:04

That is not more coons

22:04

Coins

22:04

yeah

22:04

heh

22:04

Heh badbtypo

22:04

a hoard is in no sense supply

22:04

they will be if Bitcoin does worse than BRK-A this year

22:04

right. and if miners are hoarding coins, block reward is not supply

22:04

[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEEQ] 1715 @ 0.000064 = 0.1098 BTC [-] {2}

22:05

mike_c: have you ever done the physics thing where you draw a circle around a system and label ins and outs?

22:06

;;google physics mass balance

22:06

Background on Mass, Weight and Density - UCLA Physics ...: <http://www.physics.ucla.edu/k-6connection/Mass,w,d.htm>; Center of Mass | Circus Physics | Classroom | Circus | PBS: <http://www.pbs.org/opb/circus/classroom/circus-physics/center-mass/>; Activity Guide: Center of Mass | Circus Physics | Classroom ... - PBS: <http://www.pbs.org/opb/circus/classroom/circus-physics (1 more message)

22:07

http://trilema.com/2013/bitcoin-prices-bitcoin-inflexibility/

22:07

Bitcoin prices, Bitcoin inflexibility pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.

22:09

benkay: it is fine to say it is an input. but i am saying it is a miniscule part of the equation.

22:09

His example is slightly hogwash, as mtcox falsely increased the supply of bitcoins, and the price still increased.

22:10

Bugpowder was a excellent trader

22:10

That is to what he is referring

22:11

Short term sentiment

22:11

Bugpowder was a compulsive gambler too.

22:12

And if mtgox inflated the supply of coins so the price should have been depressed

22:12

I did not say he was a good gambler

22:12

He was not good at that

22:19

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13532 @ 0.000962 = 13.0178 BTC [-]

22:22

jborkl, what was your point. I didn't understand - what was bugpowder talking about?

22:29

http://hantim.ru/jobs/30698-revers-inzhener ministry of defense looking for a reverse engineer lol

22:30

i wonder what the benefits are like

22:31

"This episode of CSI is so (adjective I forgot), the only way to experience it is to watch!"

22:31

sigh...

22:33

;;nextretarget

22:33

296351

22:34

wait a tick. The last block reward halving was November 28, 2012. DOH

22:37

see, i told you it wasn't an input ;)

22:38

there were serious distortions in the market over the past year

22:39

no disagreement there

22:44

facebook lols: I made a post briefing normals on heartbleed and the general concept that internet privacy doesnt really exist. Here's the best response so far: "Is Lifelock an answer?"

22:45

if you want to get Lifefucked

22:47

artifexd

.bait

22:47

http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m8dz6yTWVs1rciywmo1_500.jpg

22:50

missing snorkels!

~ 23 minutes ~

23:14

;;ticker

23:14

Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 432.0, Best ask: 433.74, Bid-ask spread: 1.74000, Last trade: 432.0, 24 hour volume: 8132.48884064, 24 hour low: 432.0, 24 hour high: 457.15, 24 hour vwap: 444.759992859

23:23

;;ticker

23:23

Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 429.0, Best ask: 429.44, Bid-ask spread: 0.44000, Last trade: 429.0, 24 hour volume: 8820.67184451, 24 hour low: 429.0, 24 hour high: 457.15, 24 hour vwap: 444.354375194

23:27

;;ticker

23:27

Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 424.65, Best ask: 425.0, Bid-ask spread: 0.35000, Last trade: 425.0, 24 hour volume: 9537.03368365, 24 hour low: 425.0, 24 hour high: 457.15, 24 hour vwap: 442.726862095

23:35

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15900 @ 0.00096139 = 15.2861 BTC [-]

23:36

450 -> 425

23:36

tell me that ain't a slide

23:36

*

nubbins` raises hands, shouts with glee

23:39

;;later tell mike_c sometimes i think supply is constrained on the fiat -> btc pipe. if cash and reputation and connections are all you have, that's not a terribly wide pipe. perhaps there was something to gox' occasional ability to turn fiat wires into btc

23:39

The operation succeeded.

23:39

sometimes you think? :D

23:40

;;ticker

23:40

Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 425.76, Best ask: 427.8, Bid-ask spread: 2.04000, Last trade: 427.8, 24 hour volume: 10250.88892261, 24 hour low: 422.0, 24 hour high: 457.15, 24 hour vwap: 441.247888245

23:40

;;later tell mike_c i guess the appropriate local metaphor would be "for those who prayed, dove through, and magically weren't sliced to bits by the chumpatron"

23:40

The operation succeeded.

23:40

TestingUnoDosTre: do you need to do that so often? :(

23:40

spread is opening

23:40

sorry

23:40

no one was chatting before, thought I had the room to myself :D

23:40

protip: /msg gribble ticker :)

23:41

OT: we finally got ourselves an American Apparel wholesale account

23:41

turns out having a factory in downtown los angeles makes for expensive bulk tees

23:44

t-shirts are expensive?

23:46

colin firth on daily show tonight

23:46

not bad

23:46

it's a relative measure

23:47

http://www.coindesk.com/national-australia-bank-turns-back-bitcoin-closes-accounts/

how hard was it to get the account

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oops :/

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way to paste

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;(

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sorry didnt know that was in the buffer, guess I pased out last night :/

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Mats_cd03 slaps MisterE

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whole lotta nothin there

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I'm surprised I didnt get flood kicked

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Mats_cd03: three-page application form. we didn't have to fill out the whole thing because we pay up-front with credit cards, but if you want to do net 30 etc, you have to provide business references and a ton of extra info

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also had to sign a contract stating that we won't, among other things, reveal prices nor will we resell undecorated garments

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bit of a selloff on the BOA news

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i see

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that said, same-day turnaround once we submitted the application

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for reference, a plain AA unisex tee is about 40% more expensive than our go-to shirt (organic cotton) and 150% more expensive than our "discount quality" shirt

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http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/22ny8h/agricultural_bank_of_china_freezes_bitcoin/

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Agricultural Bank of China FREEZES BITCOIN accounts on 4/15 : Bitcoin

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lol

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