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← 2014-04-06 | 2014-04-08 → ↓
00:23 Mats_cd03 ily benkay
00:27 benkay what is it tonight, Mats_cd03 -- mdma?
00:28 Mats_cd03 what are drugs
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00:55 assbot [HAVELOCK] [COG] 7 @ 0.02006291 = 0.1404 BTC [-] {2}
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01:33 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.05199999 = 0.104 BTC [+] {2}
01:34 assbot [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 15 @ 0.0075 = 0.1125 BTC [+]
01:43 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 5 @ 0.05208 = 0.2604 BTC [+] {2}
01:49 assbot [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 669 @ 0.00015314 = 0.1025 BTC [+] {2}
01:51 assbot [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1000 @ 0.00015314 = 0.1531 BTC [+]
01:55 mircea_popescu mjr_1 dood fix your connection
01:56 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27800 @ 0.00100406 = 27.9129 BTC [+]
01:58 assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.05845612 = 0.1169 BTC [+] {2}
02:00 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 3 @ 0.08299776 = 0.249 BTC [-]
02:04 mircea_popescu ;;ticker
02:04 gribble Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 456.11, Best ask: 459.55, Bid-ask spread: 3.44000, Last trade: 456.11, 24 hour volume: 5779.76299101, 24 hour low: 450.2, 24 hour high: 464.6, 24 hour vwap: 456.121300051
02:06 mircea_popescu this is getting to be lulzy, for the past however many weeks it's been glued to 450, people keep coming in asking omg why is it dropping!11
02:06 mircea_popescu i guess if you're waiting for it to make you rich and got rent to pay, there's no dropping like stability.
02:11 mircea_popescu https://twitter.com/kim_lesch/status/453034509391646720
02:11 ozbot Twitter / kim_lesch: Our 1 bdrm flat is listed for ...
02:11 mircea_popescu in other news, us rents now $330 ?!
02:12 mircea_popescu ah nz nm.
02:17 cazalla damn, NZ is expensive
02:17 cazalla i was paying 350 a week here in melbourne (15m from city) for 2 bedroom
02:18 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5250 @ 0.00100402 = 5.2711 BTC [-]
02:28 mircea_popescu i usually pay about 1k a quarter for a 2 bedroom. cause wtf.
02:28 mircea_popescu it's what living space is worth.
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02:44 cazalla that might get you a car space here
02:48 Mats_cd03 i lived in boston a bit...that would get you half a car space
02:48 Mats_cd03 for a few weeks
02:49 Rick__ arij is here？
02:49 Mats_cd03 cheap compared to manhattan
02:50 cazalla hopefully the ass drops out of the aussie market so i can buy my supernode castle in tasmania cheaper
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03:23 keonne mircea_popescu: i got the joke a little late, hence the delayed lol
03:24 assbot [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEEQ] 481 @ 0.00029369 = 0.1413 BTC [-] {5}
03:25 keonne I then started on a path off researching the histoy of the bar mitzvah; and was suitably disgusted
03:27 assbot [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEEQ] 2700 @ 0.00027748 = 0.7492 BTC [-] {6}
03:31 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26100 @ 0.00100406 = 26.206 BTC [+]
03:42 assbot [HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 1218 @ 0.00243136 = 2.9614 BTC [-] {16}
03:45 assbot [HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 200 @ 0.00240002 = 0.48 BTC [-]
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04:32 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.05249 = 0.105 BTC [+] {2}
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04:59 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 4 @ 0.0315895 = 0.1264 BTC [-] {2}
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05:20 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9312 @ 0.00100283 = 9.3384 BTC [-] {2}
05:31 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19150 @ 0.00100059 = 19.1613 BTC [-]
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06:02 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26438 @ 0.00100059 = 26.4536 BTC [-]
06:13 MisterE hmm zetacoin
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06:32 jurov kakobrekla pls kick mjr1 mjr2
06:34 jurov ;;bc,stats
06:34 gribble Current Blocks: 294632 | Current Difficulty: 6.119726089128147E9 | Next Difficulty At Block: 296351 | Next Difficulty In: 1719 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 4 days, 9 hours, 13 minutes, and 6 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 6348294504.56 | Estimated Percent Change: 3.73495
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07:32 assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.0550089 = 0.275 BTC [-] {2}
07:37 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32859 @ 0.00099931 = 32.8363 BTC [-] {2}
07:43 assbot [HAVELOCK] [KCIM] 383 @ 0.00170919 = 0.6546 BTC [-] {6}
07:51 assbot [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 451 @ 0.00084058 = 0.3791 BTC [-] {4}
07:53 BingoBoingo ;;ticker --market all
07:53 assbot [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEEQ] 547 @ 0.00023273 = 0.1273 BTC [-] {3}
07:53 gribble Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 459.53, vol: 5183.60938032 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 455.335, vol: 10198.46727 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 457.6, vol: 3120.00026501 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 460.02, vol: 31.1161392 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 455.8297, vol: 1758.32270000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 465.49125, vol: 1.98585071 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 461.179874, vol: 33.80007519 | Volume-weighted last average: (1 more message)
07:53 BingoBoingo ;;more
07:53 gribble 456.813080552
08:03 assbot [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEEQ] 2000 @ 0.000222 = 0.444 BTC [-]
08:12 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.0326 = 0.163 BTC [+]
08:12 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 9 @ 0.0509899 = 0.4589 BTC [-] {3}
08:13 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.03359017 = 0.168 BTC [+] {3}
08:22 herbijudlestoids hullo
08:22 herbijudlestoids mircea_popescu: i had an idea
08:23 herbijudlestoids BingoBoingo: hows doin?
08:23 BingoBoingo Not bad herbijudlestoids
08:24 herbijudlestoids no news?
08:24 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 8 @ 0.03159862 = 0.2528 BTC [-] {3}
08:25 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10400 @ 0.00100059 = 10.4061 BTC [+]
08:26 assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 11 @ 0.055589 = 0.6115 BTC [+] {2}
08:28 BingoBoingo herbijudlestoids: Nothing I can think of off the top of my head
08:29 herbijudlestoids any BTCUSD forecasts? :P
08:32 herbijudlestoids BingoBoingo: if someone wanted to offer hosting services, do you think most people are after a VPS with SSH access? or just a VPS with a panel?
08:32 chairman_meow Hello
08:33 chairman_meow is there another gambling site that I can invest in?
08:33 BingoBoingo herbijudlestoids: It probably really depends on the customer.
08:33 chairman_meow like just-dice
08:36 chairman_meow !help
08:36 assbot List of commands:
08:36 assbot !ticker <exchange> <ticker> (desc: returns current ticker values, supported: MPEX, HAVELOCK, BTCTCO) {short: !t}
08:36 assbot !last <exchange> <ticker> (desc: returns last price value, supported: MPEX, HAVELOCK, BTCTCO) {short: !l}
08:36 assbot !mp <signcrypted dpaste.com url> (desc: returns the response from MPEX order)
08:36 assbot !rules <nick/chan> (desc: chan guidelines) {short: !r}
08:36 assbot !exchanges <nick/chan> (desc: lists exchanges and brokers) {short: !e}
08:36 assbot !jd (desc: returns relevant stats from https://just-dice.com)
08:36 assbot !bash <lines> (desc: bashes last <lines> lines to bash) {short: !b}
08:36 assbot !quote <lines> (desc: quotes last <lines> lines and returns dpaste url) {short: !q}
08:36 chairman_meow !bash sudo
08:37 chairman_meow !bash sudo shutdown
08:37 chairman_meow heh
08:38 assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.056005 = 0.28 BTC [+]
08:44 Apocalyptic herbijudlestoids, you're still doing market-making in ATC/BTC ?
08:47 keonne mjr for the love of irc learn to screen session
08:51 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 5 @ 0.08299776 = 0.415 BTC [-]
08:57 assbot [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 1532 @ 0.00083772 = 1.2834 BTC [-] {10}
08:58 assbot [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 230 @ 0.000833 = 0.1916 BTC [-]
09:06 assbot [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEEQ] 1295 @ 0.00020544 = 0.266 BTC [-] {11}
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09:22 assbot [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEEQ] 26809 @ 0.00012909 = 3.4608 BTC [-] {40}
09:37 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 2 @ 0.08299776 = 0.166 BTC [-]
09:46 assbot [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEEQ] 1000 @ 0.00013 = 0.13 BTC [-]
09:49 assbot [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEEQ] 2000 @ 0.00014998 = 0.3 BTC [+] {5}
09:52 assbot [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEEQ] 1000 @ 0.00013 = 0.13 BTC [-]
09:52 DudeSj ;;ident
09:52 gribble Nick 'DudeSj', with hostmask 'DudeSj!~linux@2600:1004:b106:70a1:a437:14a:7848:9dec', is not identified.
09:53 Apocalyptic http://cointelegraph.com/post/bitcoin_moscow_conference_postponed
09:53 ozbot Bitcoin Moscow Conference Postponed
09:53 Apocalyptic "the decision to postpone the event was a direct result of a “negative response from government authorities” or more specifically, The Federal Security Service of the Russian Federation, the FSB"
09:57 assbot [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEEQ] 1002 @ 0.00014521 = 0.1455 BTC [+] {3}
09:58 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 15 @ 0.03158902 = 0.4738 BTC [+]
10:05 bitcoinpete howdy
10:06 bitcoinpete .d
10:06 ozbot 6.120 billion | Next Diff in 1697 blocks | Estimated Change: 2.9780% in 11d 10h 20m 40s
10:09 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7446 @ 0.00099945 = 7.4419 BTC [-]
10:15 bitcoinpete ;;later tell wywialm thx for reading. i suspect that both prices and wages are downward rigid. the effect of this will be the necessary checking of egos. hunger will loosen up that rigidity before long. the human competitive streak will soon come out --> renaissance.
10:15 gribble The operation succeeded.
10:18 bitcoinpete for enlightenment and enjoyment, i picked apart peter vehehes' latest "Annual Letter from the Chairman of the Bitcoin Foundation":
10:19 bitcoinpete http://bitcoinpete.com/2014/analysis-annual-letter-from-bitcoin-fundation-chairman-vehehes/
10:19 ozbot Analysis: Annual Letter From Bitcoin Fundation Chairman Peter Vehehes | When Bitcoin Met Pete
10:20 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.0306 = 0.153 BTC [-]
10:21 bounce looks like a typo in the guy's surname
10:21 jurov hehehehe
10:21 bitcoinpete lol
10:22 bitcoinpete ;;google trilema vehehes
10:22 gribble Recapitulatio pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.: <http://trilema.com/2013/recapitulatio/>; In re noobs and conventions pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.: <http://trilema.com/2013/in-re-noobs-and-conventions/>
10:22 jurov not typo, it's explained in footnote
10:22 Apocalyptic Vehehes, that's priceless
10:23 bitcoinpete i was using "vehaha", then saw that mp had already played on it, so i adopted his for the sake of continuity
10:24 jurov mocking shall be consistent :D
10:24 bitcoinpete it's stronger that way
10:31 bitcoinpete “We believe that all of the expenses the SEC was complaining of were permitted by the limited partnership agreements and Delaware law,” said Aegis Frumento, a partner at Stern Tannenbaum & Bell LLP in New York, who represents Brittenham and the firm. “We have every confidence at the end of the day that these charges will not be found to have been fraudulent under the Investors Advisers Act.”
10:31 bitcoinpete http://www.businessweek.com/news/2014-04-07/bogus-private-equity-fees-said-found-at-200-firms-in-sec-review
10:31 ozbot Bogus Private-Equity Fees Said Found at 200 Firms in SEC Review - Businessweek
10:31 bitcoinpete the sec can't even nail down fiat businesses
10:31 assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10 @ 0.05502007 = 0.5502 BTC [-] {4}
10:37 assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10 @ 0.05511111 = 0.5511 BTC [+]
10:43 assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 160 @ 0.05500347 = 8.8006 BTC [-] {3}
10:46 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27400 @ 0.00100163 = 27.4447 BTC [+] {2}
10:54 assbot [HAVELOCK] [COG] 10 @ 0.01710001 = 0.171 BTC [-]
10:54 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.0509899 = 0.102 BTC [-]
10:59 Mats_cd03 merr
11:01 asciilifeform http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-04-07/ceo-liechtenstein-bank-frick-murdered
11:01 ozbot CEO Of Liechtenstein Bank Frick Murdered In Broad Daylight | Zero Hedge
11:02 mike_c he must not have agreed to the banker suicide pact.
11:03 assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 4 @ 0.055 = 0.22 BTC [-]
11:04 assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10 @ 0.05110081 = 0.511 BTC [-] {3}
11:05 jurov that's why they pay themselves bonuses for hazardous working conditions
11:08 Apocalyptic jurov has it
11:12 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 71 @ 0.00554114 = 0.3934 BTC [-] {6}
11:23 Mats_cd03 all of the consumer versions of quadcopters suck balls
11:24 Mats_cd03 if you build a decent consumer quadcopter with challenge and response i will be your first customer
11:24 assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 4 @ 0.05677298 = 0.2271 BTC [+]
11:26 assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.05677308 = 0.2839 BTC [+] {2}
11:31 bitcoinpete mpoe takes it down
11:31 bitcoinpete http://bitbet.us/bet/784/s-mpoe-to-rise-above-0-001-before-july/
11:31 ozbot BitBet - S.MPOE to rise above 0.001 before July
11:31 assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 15 @ 0.05110006 = 0.7665 BTC [-] {4}
11:32 mike_c !last s.mpoe
11:32 assbot I thought I told you not to touch me.
11:32 mike_c unbelievable. i would write a blog post on this if i understood it at all.
11:32 jurov !last m s.mpoe
11:32 assbot Last trade for S.MPOE on MPEX was at 0.00100163 BTC [+]
11:33 mike_c step 1) turn off 70% of revenue. step 2) stock goes up 20%.
11:33 Apocalyptic heh
11:33 mike_c step 3) ?? step 4) profit!
11:34 jurov you weren't there when S.DICE traded. there were massive buys *just after* dividends were paid
11:34 jurov every month
11:34 KRS-1 step 5) beat off to some .bait step 6) take a shit
11:35 mike_c yeah, luckily i showed up after the dice bubble and before the acquisition :)
11:36 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1205 @ 0.00100511 = 1.2112 BTC [+] {2}
11:36 bitcoinpete mike_c i think the sec press brought in new money
11:37 bitcoinpete existing investors gained confidence, new ones stepped up to the plate and learned how to mpex
11:37 mike_c well if you understand it you should write a post. it's quite something.
11:37 jurov step 7) nap time
11:37 bitcoinpete it really is something
11:40 assbot [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 11 @ 0.01339998 = 0.1474 BTC [+] {2}
11:41 lippoper !bait
11:41 lippoper .bait
11:41 ozbot http://25.media.tumblr.com/5928e708574aeee1575bbcbd898bfae4/tumblr_muj4sahrnF1swv68oo1_1280.jpg
11:41 nubbins` $330nzd per week for a 1br?!
11:42 nubbins` ;;calc (283.37*52)/12
11:42 gribble 1227.93666667
11:42 nubbins` wow
11:43 bitcoinpete how much is a 1br in the maritimes?
11:45 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7000 @ 0.00100275 = 7.0193 BTC [-]
11:46 nubbins` while technically not the maritimes, a 1br apt in downtown st. john's, newfoundland will run you 700-900
11:47 nubbins` 2-3br for $1000-1200 for something nice
11:47 nubbins` 5 years ago you could find the same 1br for $600
11:47 Namworld not much difference for 1-2 bedroom extra
11:48 bitcoinpete reasonable enough
11:49 nubbins` Namworld there are very few 1br apartments so the prices on 'em are a bit high
11:50 nubbins` i mean, you can still get a 1br slum for $500
11:50 nubbins` but for something that an adult with dignity and respect would live in...
11:51 bounce probably should do a writeup of that "research" so you have something proper to link to.
11:52 bitcoinpete bounce that'd be awesome
11:53 bitcoinpete let me know when it's done and i'll edit accordingly
11:54 Namworld I don't think "Canada Slums" and "Slums" are the same thing. By international standard, probably luxurious
11:54 Namworld eh
11:55 Namworld Two issues you don't want is water leaks or vermin infested building.
11:55 Namworld Otherwise, even if the place ain't nice, just cleaning it through and keeping it so and no problems.
11:55 bitcoinpete canada has plenty of places with mice, bedbugs, mold, and maybe worst of all inadequate heat
11:56 Namworld yeah
11:56 bounce will do.
11:56 bitcoinpete i've seen some that charge 900+/mo too
11:56 bitcoinpete it's criminal. and frequently prosecuted as such
11:57 Namworld And if you rent that, you haven't looked around enough.
11:57 Namworld Cause you can get much better for cheaper.
11:57 bounce so we see that slums aren't necessarily cheap. why then do people still dwell there?
11:57 Namworld idk
11:57 bitcoinpete namworld 100%. my guess is that people tolerate it because it places them close to their community, including family and social services
11:58 Namworld I can find good appartments for cheaper anytime.
11:58 bounce just saying "haven't looked around enough" is too easy. one common reason is because the slum-dwellers don't have access to anything better.
11:58 bitcoinpete and they don't need a damage deposit at these places
11:58 Namworld Why not? Poor credit/no money for deposit, yeah, I guess.
11:59 bounce not being part of the, well, bezzle economy is the word here
11:59 bitcoinpete and they don't need to sign a 1yr lease
11:59 Namworld But you pay too much for less...
11:59 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] [PAID] 2.22203904 BTC to 5`408 shares, 41088 satoshi per share
11:59 bitcoinpete bounce exactly
11:59 bitcoinpete alt economy
12:00 bounce hernando de soto wrote about it, _the mystery of capital_, just why some people have no access to the official economy and so dwell in the alternative shadow economy
12:00 bitcoinpete the bezzle economy deploys its regulators under the guide of "public health" to clean this stuff up but it really can't go away
12:01 bitcoinpete if anything, it's growing
12:01 bounce there are ways to fix it but since they're a symptom of a(n often deliberately) broken official economy, that needs fixing first
12:03 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7678 @ 0.00100494 = 7.7159 BTC [+]
12:03 bounce take a piece of land, try and put a building on it. some places the paperwork can easily take 200+ forms and 10+ years. so people just start to build and rent out the building without bothering with the paperwork. it's a risk, but, you know.
12:03 bitcoinpete just like the medical system treats symptoms like cancer instead of the root causes, like shitty food
12:05 bitcoinpete keeps the barriers to entry high and the entrenched players comfy and content
12:06 jurov i don't think checking the building isn't gonna fall someday is easy
12:07 jurov it's easy to bash... pointing out which regulations are nonsense is harder
12:07 bitcoinpete hard to check without hammurabi's code
12:08 asciilifeform lol
12:09 asciilifeform i once read that 'hammurabi's building code' is still king, in the... submarine industry
12:09 asciilifeform everybody, architect, welders, riveters - get to take a free trip to max depth
12:09 Namworld Where the fuck does it take 200 forms and 10 years to start building? The Land of Bureaucratia?
12:10 bitcoinpete they should be permanent crew lol
12:10 assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10 @ 0.05110001 = 0.511 BTC [-] {2}
12:11 bitcoinpete asciilifeform: give them a little bunk next to the captain's
12:11 asciilifeform the permanent crew are pros - afaik, in all modern countries
12:12 bounce many, many places. generally the places with large informal economies
12:12 bitcoinpete Namworld: california maybe? i hear their paperwork is nuts
12:13 ThickAsThieves "Better yet: if the Bitcoin community managed to change the protocol to increase the rate that miners can “unlock” new coins… Bitcoin might have a built-in incentive to both adopt the currency and report taxable earnings. Let’s say that we accepted an inflationary Bitcoin, much like we have an inflationary dollar, around 2 or 3% annualized. At the end of the year, a consistently
12:13 ThickAsThieves inflating bitcoin would trigger no capital gains liability, only capital losses, reducing the tax liability of the filer."
12:13 ThickAsThieves bircoin ragazine never fails to fail
12:14 bitcoinpete asciilifeform: architects of land buildings take tours of their work too. weaknesses from buried risks aren't really tested upfront
12:14 thestringpuller wow bitcoin magazine is really scraping the bottom of the barrel these days
12:14 thestringpuller is it still like 100 dollars for a 1 year subscription?
12:14 thestringpuller ;;google bitcoin magazine subscription
12:14 gribble Bitcoin Magazine Subscription – Bitcoin Magazine: <http://bitcoinmagazine.com/product/3368/subscription12months/>; TIME TO RENEW YOUR SUBSCRIPTION! – Bitcoin Magazine: <http://bitcoinmagazine.com/6120/time-to-renew-your-subscription-2/>; Bitcoin Magazine Issue #7 (February 2013): 9781622096701 ...: <http://www.amazon.com/Bitcoin-Magazine-Issue-February-2013/dp/1622096703>
12:14 bitcoinpete ThickAsThieves: that's atrocious
12:15 bitcoinpete it's also why there's doge
12:15 thestringpuller Bitcoin Magazine Subscription
12:15 thestringpuller $99.95
12:15 thestringpuller really?
12:15 ThickAsThieves it's collectible!
12:15 asciilifeform that thing still exists ?!
12:15 thestringpuller if trilema were in print it wouldn't even be that expensive
12:16 pLambert business idea! collect the trilemma posts for each month and print them
12:16 ThickAsThieves $10 worth of bitcoin has got me through a year of trilema
12:16 assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10 @ 0.0511 = 0.511 BTC [-] {2}
12:16 Namworld Do you want to pay taxes on gains, or deduct losses... of actual losses... One gains you more, even after taxes, the other deprives you of money...
12:17 Namworld What the fuck, Bitcoin Magazine?
12:17 ThickAsThieves i kinda think he undercharges
12:17 thestringpuller i have like 20k trilema credits...
12:17 thestringpuller i use like maybe 1k a year...
12:18 bitcoinpete i kinda like not having purchased any credits
12:18 bitcoinpete prevents me from spending my days doing as the 18th century jooz, as mp once put it
12:25 Mats_cd03 whoever runs blockr... whats a 'huge' amount of requests? >20k?
12:27 bitcoinpete "George Kikvadze, board member and advisor of BitFury, said Monday that if the notion of a finite number of bitcoins was ever altered it would be fair and should not undermine the value."
12:27 bitcoinpete http://www.cnbc.com/id/101560477
12:27 ozbot 'Regulation is good,' says bitcoin mining giant
12:28 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16484 @ 0.00100032 = 16.4893 BTC [-] {3}
12:29 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22405 @ 0.00099839 = 22.3689 BTC [-]
12:30 kakobrekla dafuq fury.
12:31 thestringpuller what the fuck?!?!?
12:31 thestringpuller where the fuck is all this talk of making bitcoin inflationary coming from?
12:31 thestringpuller holy shit i'm irate right now
12:31 kakobrekla Mats_cd03 i forgot, but you get a temp ban (lasting minutes) if you go over it
12:32 bitcoinpete thestringpuller: gotta be puppets with guns to their heads
12:32 bitcoinpete it's probably to be taken as seriously as the greenlist talk
12:32 bitcoinpete it's just talk
12:33 ThickAsThieves they can try, and the people who dont like it can stay on the other prong of the fork
12:33 bitcoinpete that bitfury is looking to ipo in london is hilarious tho. they should try mpex first
12:34 kakobrekla is that in the article
12:34 kakobrekla havent opened it
12:34 bitcoinpete kakobrekla: it's in the video in the article, ya
12:34 bitcoinpete ThickAsThieves: ya, then we'll see if inflationary btc' is worth more or less than satoshi's btc
12:34 kakobrekla i dunno, i know fury a bit, we talked a lot before he became famous, i wouldnt think he would be up for that.
12:35 bitcoinpete people change, incentives change
12:35 kakobrekla or just a stoned board member
12:36 bitcoinpete chemicals change...
12:36 kakobrekla :)
12:37 Namworld Hey, Bitcoin Magazine is a premium magazine for the amateur of lulz, of course it commands a premium price. It's hard work coming up with this amount of lulz.
12:37 benkay tchaw bitcoinpete the chems are the same as they've always been
12:37 ThickAsThieves it's hard to battle idiocy on tv, it corrupts through the nature of its questioning alone
12:37 bitcoinpete Namworld: mad magazine is hard work too
12:38 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.60299899 BTC [-]
12:38 Mats_cd03 watch The Newsroom
12:38 bitcoinpete benkay: it's how and when they're used that changes :)
12:38 Namworld I have no idea what kind of price and content MAD has got going, honestly.
12:39 bitcoinpete it's probably still 6 bucks a copy and full of gold, just like when i was a yoof
12:40 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4223 @ 0.00099819 = 4.2154 BTC [-]
12:42 bitcoinpete I'm going to this next weekend. I wonder which speaker will be the lulziest
12:42 bitcoinpete http://bitcoinexpo.ca/speakers2/
12:42 ozbot SPEAKERS | Bitcoin Expo 2014 in Toronto - April 11 - 13Bitcoin Expo 2014 in Toronto – April 11 –
12:43 bitcoinpete i'll see if anyone else there can as readily point out the scammers as -assets
12:44 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 24 @ 0.03003333 = 0.7208 BTC [-] {4}
12:47 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 13 @ 0.05248452 = 0.6823 BTC [+] {2}
12:47 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8200 @ 0.00099797 = 8.1834 BTC [-] {2}
12:49 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 2 @ 0.08299776 = 0.166 BTC [-]
12:52 bitcoinpete the sun beckons, cheers
12:58 assbot [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEEQ] 1277 @ 0.00011595 = 0.1481 BTC [-] {9}
13:02 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 5 @ 0.08299776 = 0.415 BTC [-]
13:03 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1661 @ 0.00099839 = 1.6583 BTC [+]
13:03 assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.05669786 = 0.1134 BTC [-]
13:11 thestringpuller benkay still around?
13:13 domsch Johann is speaking there - didn’t know that, awesome.
13:13 mike_c holy part spam batman. kakobrekla: mjr1 & mjr2 have been join/quitting constantly for hours..
13:14 jurov gotta hack he b-a.com again and put my addy there
13:15 benkay hey thestringpuller
13:15 jurov that will be a hefty donation
13:15 thestringpuller benkay: pm
13:15 mike_c sorry jurov, now they are running the secure version of wordpress :D
13:15 jurov is there one?
13:16 Apocalyptic that's the joke
13:16 kakobrekla i dont see anything
13:16 kakobrekla prolly cause i have joins and parts disabled
13:16 kakobrekla which i recommend.
13:16 jurov ur cheating!
13:17 mike_c who's on the board of b-a? we need to out-vote the chairman.
13:17 kakobrekla well, you have to be first, best or cheat, you pick.
13:18 mike_c mutiny!
13:18 kakobrekla but try it, life is so much better without that spam
13:19 mike_c http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-W9AJJ__uOe4/UJlkWBj67LI/AAAAAAAAFAo/mhR743zFylY/s1600/shenanigans.jpg
13:20 kakobrekla not in the face!
13:20 Mats_cd03 ;;later tell mircea_popescu http://pastebin.com/8L6706Y7
13:20 gribble The operation succeeded.
13:20 Mats_cd03 ^bitbet audit
13:20 benkay https://www.counterwallet.co/
13:21 Mats_cd03 are you an ass man, benkay
13:21 benkay counterparty is pumping money into css too
13:21 benkay https://www.counterparty.co/
13:21 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.60299999 BTC [+]
13:21 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 51 @ 0.00579758 = 0.2957 BTC [+] {3}
13:22 kakobrekla o, audit. well thats a start. can you include liabilities as well?
13:22 Mats_cd03 woops
13:22 Mats_cd03 i thought about it and forgot to do it
13:22 kakobrekla :)
13:22 mike_c and maybe filter out the 0's?
13:23 mike_c impressive though, bitbet holding 3000 btc in bets.
13:24 kakobrekla a decent size of it is a buffer
13:26 kakobrekla anyway, Mats_cd03 , just sum all the confirmed bets on the open bets and take out 1% and thats that
~ 20 minutes ~
13:47 assbot [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 2000 @ 0.00014501 = 0.29 BTC [-] {5}
13:49 ThickAsThieves http://pando.com/2014/04/07/documents-show-gogo-boasted-of-helping-law-enforcement-agencies-spy-on-in-flight-wifi/
13:49 ozbot Documents show Gogo boasted of helping law enforcement agencies spy on in-flight wifi | PandoDaily
14:01 punkman +
14:07 jurov http://www.antichipotle.com/git/ lol markovchain generated manual
14:08 ozbot GIT-WORK
14:08 jurov send your worst enemy when they need it
14:19 assbot [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 11 @ 0.01200002 = 0.132 BTC [+]
14:31 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 47 @ 0.00579794 = 0.2725 BTC [+]
14:31 assbot [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 25 @ 0.0075 = 0.1875 BTC [+]
14:33 Namworld Why would you be safe at all in the sky to start with? It's not like you don't connect to the same Internet. In fact, there's extra steps where to install snooping devices.
14:35 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 75550 @ 0.00099938 = 75.5032 BTC [+] {3}
14:44 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17000 @ 0.00099896 = 16.9823 BTC [-]
14:56 Mats_cd03 ive come to realize i suck at writing code
14:56 ThickAsThieves ;;later tell mircea_popescu Does SMG have all its audio/music/fx under control already?
14:56 gribble The operation succeeded.
14:56 Mats_cd03 it hurts my ego
15:00 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 6 @ 0.04910221 = 0.2946 BTC [-]
15:02 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 39100 @ 0.00100535 = 39.3092 BTC [+] {2}
15:04 thestringpuller ThickAsThieves: you moving into the audio game?
15:14 nubbins` 16:16:17pLambert:business idea! collect the trilemma posts for each month and print them <<< that's actually not a business idea
15:14 thestringpuller ;;later chetty should we put a gribble bot in #eulora?
15:14 gribble Error: The "Later" plugin is loaded, but there is no command named "chetty" in it. Try "list Later" to see the commands in the "Later" plugin.
15:14 thestringpuller ;;later tell chetty should we put a gribble bot in #eulora?
15:14 gribble The operation succeeded.
15:14 thestringpuller nubbins`: would be a good magazine idea
15:15 thestringpuller Trilema: The Magazine
15:19 nubbins` thestringpuller: why would anyone buy it?
15:19 assbot [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 497 @ 0.000832 = 0.4135 BTC [-] {3}
15:20 assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.056547 = 0.1131 BTC [-]
15:20 nubbins` if bitcoin magazine has to charge $99 for a year subscription because their readership is so small, imagine what a year of trilema would cost
15:22 thestringpuller lol didn't say it would be a profitable idea
15:22 assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10 @ 0.056547 = 0.5655 BTC [-]
15:22 nubbins` idea: throw hundred-dollar bills out of a moving vehicle
15:22 nubbins` :D
15:23 thestringpuller BRILLIANT
15:24 thestringpuller make it rain up in here
15:24 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 4 @ 0.05249997 = 0.21 BTC [+] {2}
15:25 ThickAsThieves <thestringpuller> ThickAsThieves: you moving into the audio game? /// I've been in and out of it for a long time. Flirting with getting back in.
15:35 Mats_cd03 kakobrekla: http://pastebin.com/dLaHuZnC 1771.37574931 in liabilities
15:35 Mats_cd03 oops, i didnt take 1% from that number
15:36 Mats_cd03 1753.6619918169
15:36 kakobrekla cool, so its a double reverse fractional reserve
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15:36 assbot [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1000 @ 0.00014999 = 0.15 BTC [+]
15:36 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.05249998 = 0.105 BTC [+]
15:37 kakobrekla perhaps join all this with the methodology used in some blogpost and make it useful for people?
15:37 Mats_cd03 ;;later tell mircea_popescu http://pastebin.com/dLaHuZnC 1753.6619918169 btc in liabilities after house takes a cut
15:37 gribble The operation succeeded.
15:37 Mats_cd03 i thought about it but thats a lot of work
15:38 Mats_cd03 compared to the time i spent writing the code
15:38 kakobrekla eh? a few sentences should do
15:39 Mats_cd03 i used an html parsing library in python to scrape bitbet then pinged blockr with the balance requests
15:39 mike_c ooh, you know bitbet serves up json?
15:39 Mats_cd03 yeah
15:40 mike_c parsing is more fun? ;)
15:40 kakobrekla the point is, the result is now scattered over a days worth of log. the thing is worthy of being published in a coherent matter.
15:40 Mats_cd03 i couldnt find any python code to parse the jsend format and cant be arsed to do it myself
15:41 assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.05654718 = 0.2827 BTC [+]
15:41 Mats_cd03 so i just spammed the api and went to take a poop while it ran
15:42 assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 14 @ 0.05654718 = 0.7917 BTC [+] {2}
15:42 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 15 @ 0.030105 = 0.4516 BTC [-]
15:42 mike_c ah. well, for future reference: import json; json.loads(data) will give you a python dict with all the info.
15:42 Mats_cd03 kakobrekla: ill work up a report in the next day
15:43 kakobrekla cool, if you dont run a blog or dont have a place to publish it, perhaps some other asseteer blogger would publish you, dunno, just sayin
15:43 Mats_cd03 mike_c: lol...whoops. i dont do any web dev
15:43 thestringpuller interesting that bitbet is so transparent it can be independently audited
15:44 assbot [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEEQ] 2250 @ 0.000125 = 0.2813 BTC [-]
15:44 Mats_cd03 (i didnt know jsend is json and a cursory goog search of jsend wasnt helpful)
15:45 mike_c so extra bonus for doing the research, you learned some more python.
15:45 mike_c always nice.
15:46 mike_c net net: bitbet has 3000 in assets and 1700 in liabilities?
15:47 kakobrekla something like that
15:53 kakobrekla >Litecoin Creator (Charlie Lee) Recommends Merged Mining with Dogecoin
15:53 kakobrekla go litecoin!
15:55 punkman chuck be trippin
15:58 assbot [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 48 @ 0.01191457 = 0.5719 BTC [-] {7}
15:59 assbot [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 26 @ 0.01174424 = 0.3054 BTC [-] {2}
16:01 blackwhite hola peeps
16:03 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 10 @ 0.03159231 = 0.3159 BTC [+] {2}
16:04 twizt sup
16:06 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30398 @ 0.00100089 = 30.4251 BTC [-]
16:06 nubbins` !t m mpoe
16:06 assbot I thought I told you not to touch me.
16:06 nubbins` !t m s.mpoe
16:06 assbot [MPEX:S.MPOE] 1D: 0.00098385 / 0.00099837 / 0.0010056 (675729 shares, 674.63 BTC), 7D: 0.00093355 / 0.00095927 / 0.0010056 (5780800 shares, 5,545.38 BTC), 30D: 0.00079084 / 0.00089519 / 0.0010056 (27916312 shares, 24,990.63 BTC)
16:07 nubbins` i only listen to restraining orders
16:12 Mats_cd03 kakobrekla: whoever posts it first on their blog can has it, i figure mp will write a trilema post eventually
16:12 Mats_cd03 As of 7APR2014 16:37:00GMT, BitBet has a total balance of 2889.82820674 BTC with outstanding liabilities of 1753.6619918169 BTC. In total, 8874 addresses have deposited funds (http://pastebin.com/8L6706Y7), and there are currently 93 open bets with deposits totaling 1771.37574931 BTC (http://pastebin.com/dLaHuZnC). After operating for little more than a
16:12 Mats_cd03 year, BitBet has accumulated 1136.1662149231001 BTC in revenue. I used Beautiful Soup (a Python library designed for screen scraping) to pull table data (BTC addresses, quantity deposited) and looked up address balances with blockr.io’s API. If you wish to reproduce these results with Python, I would recommend using the Requests library, which is superior
16:12 Mats_cd03 to urllib2. Readers are encouraged to verify this data.
16:18 bitcoinpete_ http://bitcoinpete.com/2014/results-of-first-bitbet-audit-april-7-2014/
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16:18 ozbot Results Of First BitBet Audit, April 7 2014 | When Bitcoin Met Pete
16:25 assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 8 @ 0.05389 = 0.4311 BTC [-] {2}
16:25 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 12 @ 0.03159982 = 0.3792 BTC [+] {2}
16:27 assbot [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEEQ] 1760 @ 0.000125 = 0.22 BTC [-]
16:27 kakobrekla there we go
16:28 punkman "I want a gambling slot app that looks fancy and runs smoothly. It will accept bitcoins. The app will also have a back end that controls the odds in realtime. The reason for this app is that my wife is addicted to gambiling & I would like To keep the bitcoins."
16:29 Mats_cd03 brilliant
16:31 kakobrekla ;;rate Mats_cd03 1 did the first public bitbet.us audit
16:31 gribble Error: User doesn't exist in the Rating or GPG databases. User must be GPG-registered to receive ratings.
16:31 kakobrekla mkay
16:32 Mats_cd03 ill get to it
16:34 Namworld "Here honey, gamble as much as you want. If you need more money, just ask."
16:35 Namworld Wife gambles elsewhere/actually wins big for once and tries to withdraw.
16:35 Mats_cd03 if she gets lucky youll have esplainin to do
16:35 Namworld That's what's gonna happen to that guy, punkman.
16:35 punkman you control the odds, remember
16:36 Namworld Oh. Well eh
16:36 Namworld Still, gamble elsewhere.
16:36 punkman could probably get her to quit gambling
16:36 Namworld What about she just gambles elsewhere?
16:37 Namworld Seeing the odds are no good there?
16:37 punkman yeah she will likely conclude it's rigged/crap and try elsewhere
16:37 Namworld She can just move funds elsewhere. And if not, it's just another play chips game app.
16:37 punkman people are suspicious of virtual dice
16:37 Namworld That's not how you quit. Guy will just get in trouble for it, playing in his wife's back like that.
16:38 punkman I'm wondering if the woman is gambling with btc in the first place
16:39 punkman or if the dude thinks that's a good idea to introduce to her
16:39 Namworld If he controls odds and she's never losing everything... gonna look weird. "I never win big yet I never lose my balance. Been going for 2 trillion bets. What are the odds?"
16:40 Namworld Guy: I'll just pretend my wife has issues, maybe someone develops me a gambling app for cheaper that way? So much profits for me!
16:42 Namworld Guy: Maybe if I get my wife hooked up on MY app, I won't have to quit her for losing all our money. I can also get her hooked on me giving her back the gambling money to fuel the habit! What could go wrong?
16:43 Namworld I can't see any way whatever he wants to achieve wouldn't be somewhat retarded to completly retarded.
16:46 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 18 @ 0.03019103 = 0.5434 BTC [-] {3}
16:59 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.59 = 1.77 BTC [-] {2}
17:01 thestringpuller ;;seen Bugpowder
17:01 gribble Bugpowder was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 4 weeks, 3 days, 18 hours, 38 minutes, and 0 seconds ago: <Bugpowder> Whee... http://p2pfoundation.ning.com/profile/SatoshiNakamoto
17:01 thestringpuller whatever happened to Bugpowder, must be retired.
17:02 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 22 @ 0.03010039 = 0.6622 BTC [-] {6}
17:05 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 13 @ 0.03010005 = 0.3913 BTC [-] {6}
17:06 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 8 @ 0.0301001 = 0.2408 BTC [+] {2}
17:07 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.05249885 = 0.105 BTC [+]
17:09 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 5 @ 0.05249999 = 0.2625 BTC [+] {4}
17:13 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 20 @ 0.08299776 = 1.66 BTC [-]
17:18 assbot [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEEQ] 2000 @ 0.000125 = 0.25 BTC [-]
17:18 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.05299999 = 0.106 BTC [+]
17:19 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.053 = 0.106 BTC [+]
17:20 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.03010001 = 0.1505 BTC [-]
17:22 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 5 @ 0.08299776 = 0.415 BTC [-]
17:24 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.053 = 0.106 BTC [+] {2}
17:24 mircea_popescu thestringpuller he drops by now and again, like quarterly.
17:25 mircea_popescu ThickAsThieves not really on the audio. some voice work done.
17:26 mircea_popescu Mats_cd03 pretty cool!
17:26 mircea_popescu used to be like 1600 / 400ish, but then the 1k bet happened and some large 200+ iirc.
17:27 mircea_popescu shows the importance of padding i guess.
17:28 mircea_popescu ;;eauth mircea_popescu
17:28 gribble Request successful for user mircea_popescu, hostmask mircea_popescu!~Mircea@pdpc/supporter/silver/mircea-popescu. Get your encrypted OTP from http://bitcoin-otc.com/otps/8A736F0E2FB7B452
17:28 mircea_popescu ;;everify freenode:#bitcoin-otc:38deabf30abd437d1ce2053fb0ce12af190d1911263496a2a4ce72cf
17:28 gribble You are now authenticated for user mircea_popescu with key 8A736F0E2FB7B452
17:28 mircea_popescu ;;rated Mats_cd03
17:28 gribble You have not yet rated user Mats_cd03
17:28 kakobrekla its a trap.
17:28 mircea_popescu ;;rate Mats_cd03 1 Bitcoin financial auditor.
17:28 gribble Error: User doesn't exist in the Rating or GPG databases. User must be GPG-registered to receive ratings.
17:28 mircea_popescu derp.
17:28 mircea_popescu get in the wot noob.
17:29 ThickAsThieves i'd be interested in taking a swing at some music or spell effects or such if you have any small project for me to esperiment with
17:29 Mats_cd03 im waiting til i get a cardano
17:31 kakobrekla uh you gonna do your wot on cardano?
17:31 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.05349999 = 0.1605 BTC [+] {2}
17:33 Mats_cd03 im generating the key with it
17:33 mircea_popescu so i guess 1771 is the new 1337
17:33 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 10 @ 0.08299776 = 0.83 BTC [-]
17:34 mircea_popescu in other news, i gotta chill it with these extraditions, my poor liver can't cope.
17:35 mircea_popescu lol vessenes is STILL "chairman of teh board" ?
17:36 twizt mp is that u posting as sproket
17:36 twizt lol
17:36 mircea_popescu what's the guy take himself for, franksinatra ?
17:36 mircea_popescu mnope.
17:36 twizt sporket*
17:36 mircea_popescu i srsly never posted on the forum.
17:36 mircea_popescu i used to pay exactly one person to do it, she had a signed statement, that's the whole of it.
17:36 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 37 @ 0.08299776 = 3.0709 BTC [-] {2}
17:36 twizt well u got someone pretending to be you atleast
17:37 kakobrekla the only way i know of to backup that key Mats_cd03 is to plug the cable on the transporter in the middle of the energizing sequence so while the object is already completely scanned it is not yet disintegrated, the rest of the procedure is prolly clear.
17:37 mircea_popescu kakobrekla key's stored in an eeprom. it's not THAT easy to lose.
17:37 Mats_cd03 ;;later tell cads any progress?
17:37 kakobrekla TRY ME
17:37 gribble The operation succeeded.
17:38 mircea_popescu well yeah, generally speaking, backup;s are better than no backups, no argument ther.e
17:44 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7678 @ 0.00100168 = 7.6909 BTC [+] {2}
17:45 everclear twizt: no one's pretending to be MP, only being accused
17:46 assbot [HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 44 @ 0.00243332 = 0.1071 BTC [-] {2}
17:46 ThickAsThieves today my post about the questionable "Narcotic Checkpoints" was censored into oblivion
17:46 mircea_popescu afaik teh sa goons be trolling the shit out of that thread.
17:46 ThickAsThieves about 220 comments before it died
17:46 ThickAsThieves shortly later the police issues a pr:
17:46 mircea_popescu ThickAsThieves lrn2use your own platforms.
17:46 ThickAsThieves "A total of 29 arrests were made on various charges of possession of illegal drugs, driving while license suspended, and outstanding warrants. Drugs seized: Marijuana 23.8 grams, Crack cocaine: 8.1 grams, Cocaine: 2 grams, Prescription pills 46."
17:47 mircea_popescu anyway, fuck them. if they had confiscated the empire fucking state building made out of crystal rock pixie dust,
17:47 assbot [HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 77 @ 0.00240015 = 0.1848 BTC [-] {3}
17:47 mircea_popescu it'd have not excused it.
17:47 ThickAsThieves well all they got was people with their weekend stashes it seems
17:47 mircea_popescu completely broken line of argumentation. you're telling your daughter to stop sucking cock on the curb, she's telling you she made this much money today.
17:47 mircea_popescu if that were the fucking point...
17:47 ThickAsThieves i agree
17:48 ThickAsThieves i know someone at the paper who's kinda a firecracker, gonna see if she'll do an article
17:48 mircea_popescu ThickAsThieves if you had a blog with a larger circulation than any newspaper buffett owns, you could have done that article.
17:48 mircea_popescu and you could have had that blog, had you started working on it, diligently, half a decade ago.
17:49 mircea_popescu da fuck happened to s.mpoe
17:49 ThickAsThieves lol, ironically about 10 years ago I was speaking with the head of the local Chamber of Commerce and she asked me what I thought of blogs (as PR really). I told her I thought they were silly.
17:50 ThickAsThieves i always remembe rthat conversation for some reason
17:51 mircea_popescu so ten years ago you said something silly :D
17:51 mircea_popescu remember bill clinton ?
17:51 mircea_popescu his career ended because drudge's blog.
17:51 mircea_popescu that was just about a decade ago.
17:52 ThickAsThieves it came from being a hater of all things twittery
17:53 assbot [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 100 @ 0.0075 = 0.75 BTC [+]
17:53 ThickAsThieves and eve3ry business wanting to pay me to do them for promo
17:53 ThickAsThieves but yeah it was silly
17:53 ThickAsThieves but her writing a blog would have been even more silly
17:54 assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 6 @ 0.05845389 = 0.3507 BTC [-] {2}
17:57 assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 11 @ 0.0584539 = 0.643 BTC [+]
17:58 mircea_popescu well no dissputeing that.
17:58 mircea_popescu speaking of which, what's the difference between dis bute and diss pute.
17:59 ThickAsThieves one has b upside down?
17:59 ThickAsThieves backwards*
17:59 ThickAsThieves derp
17:59 ThickAsThieves i didnt say anything
17:59 * ThickAsThieves crabwalks away
18:00 mircea_popescu lol
18:01 ThickAsThieves http://gigaom.com/2014/04/07/new-bitcoin-debit-card-claims-to-work-with-90-percent-of-us-atms/
18:01 ozbot New bitcoin debit card claims to work with 90 percent of US ATMs — Tech News and Analysis
18:01 ThickAsThieves missed opportunity to call it scAMEX
18:02 assbot [HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 5 @ 0.085002 = 0.425 BTC [+] {2}
18:03 assbot [HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 4 @ 0.085 = 0.34 BTC [-]
18:04 mircea_popescu awwwh!
18:04 mircea_popescu that's the meanest thing of the month
18:05 ThickAsThieves it's only the 7th!
18:08 ThickAsThieves phone call sceduled with reported, woop!
18:08 ThickAsThieves reporter*
18:10 mircea_popescu if there's anyone here sober :
18:11 mircea_popescu http://trilema.com/2014/free-sitcom-idea-with-butts/
18:11 ozbot Free sitcom idea, with butts. pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
18:11 mircea_popescu pls read that let me know what you think.
18:11 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5228 @ 0.00099915 = 5.2236 BTC [-]
18:12 mircea_popescu ;;later tell herbijudlestoids what idea is that ?
18:12 gribble The operation succeeded.
18:13 mircea_popescu vesse
18:14 mircea_popescu asciilifeform o wow, they're actually stepped up the discussion to include the word murder ?
18:14 mike_c an article with butts in the title and no pictures of butts..
18:14 mircea_popescu that's a bold step.
18:15 mircea_popescu mike_c no because it's an idea see
18:15 mircea_popescu Mats_cd03 what's "challenge and response" mean ?
18:16 mircea_popescu jurov: you weren't there when S.DICE traded. there were massive buys *just after* dividends were paid <<< this is very true, and still one of those unresolved mysteries.
18:16 mircea_popescu it almost looked like people went "oh, it paid another div, its value reduced by x but it's risk discount by n*x so BUY IT!"
18:17 thestringpuller mircea_popescu: "heard of hearing" << is that supposed to be hard of hearing?
18:17 mircea_popescu hahaha
18:17 mircea_popescu well i'm leaving it, cutest teapo ever.
18:17 thestringpuller lolol
18:19 mircea_popescu bounce like half the people live their entire lives within 50 miles of their pob or some shit ?
18:21 mircea_popescu bitcoinpete: just like the medical system treats symptoms like cancer instead of the root causes, like shitty food << yey verily. compare cancer epidemiologic data in the soviet union in 1963 with same in the us in 2013. be amazed. be very amazed.
18:21 mircea_popescu and they were using DTT and azbocement wtf you call it and so on.
18:23 mircea_popescu "At the end of the year, a consistently inflating bitcoin would trigger no capital gains liability, only capital losses, reducing the tax liability of the filer."
18:23 mircea_popescu ThickAsThieves who is this powerfully retarded ranger ?
18:24 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: they're actually stepped up the discussion to include the word murder << it was time to switch cover stories, the old one was getting tired
18:24 mircea_popescu because only on the tardstalk forum can one accidentally selfcrit himself on the jagged shards of irony for more 9000s of damage.
18:24 asciilifeform and now there's a convenient 'desperado' who 'we know did it'
18:25 mircea_popescu right right.
18:25 mircea_popescu well... maybe it was the global warming.
18:25 mircea_popescu no wait.
18:25 mircea_popescu maybe it was the CLIMATE SCIENCE DENIERS
18:25 asciilifeform i'll call it 'local warming.'
18:25 mircea_popescu they dunnit.
18:25 mircea_popescu lol
18:25 mircea_popescu "a cilindrical section of his skull about quarter inch wide suddenly got very hot and all entropic"
18:26 mircea_popescu it's all because of the "carbon"
18:27 mircea_popescu kakobrekla: dafuq fury. << srsly. tell him that if regulation is good he needs to find another market.
18:27 mircea_popescu anyway, it's quite clear they're stepping up the game.
18:27 mircea_popescu ¡No pasarán!
18:29 mircea_popescu https://twitter.com/Mircea_Popescu/status/453298405159477248
18:29 ozbot Twitter / Mircea_Popescu: Dear USG sleeper agents : ...
18:29 mircea_popescu adding here for teh record too.
18:31 mircea_popescu mike_c: sorry jurov, now they are running the secure version of wordpress :D << try haxxing trilema, smartypants.
18:31 mircea_popescu it's running wp like... uhm. 2.something.
18:31 mircea_popescu whatever was the package before obama.
18:31 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19794 @ 0.00099915 = 19.7772 BTC [-]
18:32 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.03009999 = 0.1505 BTC [-]
18:34 mike_c well, trilema moved the login page. that's better than bitcoin-assets :)
18:35 mircea_popescu nubbins` wait, you actually imagine btc ragazine has more readers than trilema ?!
18:36 mircea_popescu i mean being one degree of magnitude off is one thing, but you're probably three.
18:36 mircea_popescu mike_c no it didn't.
18:36 nubbins` come to think of it, i've never read bitcoin magazine...
18:37 mircea_popescu sorry to break it to you this way, but no, it's not this cool obscure band :D
18:37 mike_c this looks promising: https://trilema.com:2083/
18:38 mircea_popescu errything looks promising at some point.
18:38 mircea_popescu course afail :2083 ain't wordpress.
18:38 mike_c true. plus my time limit for fun is up.
18:39 jborkl Butterfly labs had a class action filed against them today
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18:39 mircea_popescu http://trilema.com/2012/the-storm-that-was-fel/#comment-90300
18:39 ozbot The Storm That Was Fel pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
18:40 mircea_popescu from the cemetery of trilema, an example of one that has tried before.
18:41 mircea_popescu jborkl was it the minesota guys ?
18:41 jborkl http://www.woodlaw.com/sites/default/files/casedocs/2014-04-04%20Complaint.pdf
18:41 mircea_popescu yeah,
18:42 mircea_popescu https://twitter.com/Mircea_Popescu/status/447869151756161025
18:42 ozbot Twitter / Mircea_Popescu: http://t.co/kPlNNBteuy #BFL ...
18:42 mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=23-03-2014#577267
18:42 ozbot #bitcoin-assets log
18:43 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: wouldn't hurt to implement 'port knocking'
18:43 kakobrekla yeah mike_c funny story about that.
18:45 mike_c leprechauns?
18:45 mircea_popescu asciilifeform i don't actually sysadmin that server, and w/e, whoever finds a cpanel hole can deface trilema for a day.
18:45 mircea_popescu thestringpuller: interesting that bitbet is so transparent it can be independently audited << yeah, but wikipedia has an article about "dac"
18:45 mircea_popescu so guess who wins.
18:46 asciilifeform the purpose of impossibly-hard targets isn't necessarily to protect valuables, but can be simply to torment the enemy
18:47 mircea_popescu well the purpose of rotting pig carcasses with vaginas painted on the skin isn't so very different.
18:49 mircea_popescu Namworld: That's not how you quit. Guy will just get in trouble for it, playing in his wife's back like that. < i agree. add a steel pole to your pool, chain her to the base. she can eat once every 100 laps.
18:49 mircea_popescu after one million laps not only is she cured of whatevet you disliked, but also has a superb posterior.
18:50 assbot [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEEQ] 1310 @ 0.00012497 = 0.1637 BTC [+] {2}
18:51 mircea_popescu but anyway, the guy is obviously trying to have someone write him a scamsite. found a decent pretext, but it's about as convincing as what kids trying to get you to do their homework come up with.
18:54 bounce verily, asbocement. ITYM DDT and asbestos?
18:54 bounce !google ASBO
18:55 mircea_popescu asbestos yea
18:57 mircea_popescu so who's going to show up to whatever derpy conference the vessenes merry band of scammers is organising and ask him how much did karpeles pay him to promote his scam ?
18:58 mircea_popescu and all sorts of other interesting questions, such as how much of the muppets' donations to "the foundation" went to his girlfriend.
18:58 bounce $400 entrance fee, or whatever it was, just to ask scammers why they be scammin'?
18:59 jurov gonna be http://cebexpo.net/ here in vienna soon.. not sure power rangers come
18:59 BingoBoingo 400 euros a ticket is more than most forum fraudsters take now, so... I think this goes in line with the whole don't feed scammers because it encourages them thing
18:59 jurov oh shrem will
19:00 bounce lovely mugshot collection
19:06 mircea_popescu bounce if you do i'll pay your entrance. but no derpage, make it worth our while.
19:07 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3558 @ 0.00099818 = 3.5515 BTC [-] {2}
19:08 mircea_popescu jurov shrem is like whatever, leper man walking.
19:08 mircea_popescu "hi, i'm 24 and i made a deal with the usg to pretend like i'm still a human being, who knows, maybe the puppet master needs one sometime"
19:09 mircea_popescu lol stallman gonna lose another gnu stuffie ?
19:10 mircea_popescu ahahahaha josh zerlan ?! orly ?
19:10 mircea_popescu jesus buterin looks derpy in that picture.
19:10 bounce http://bitcoin2014.com/ is up top at the bitcoin foundation's website
19:10 mircea_popescu so basically... a bunch of people nobody's heard of, btctalk's most reviled shill and a coupla would-be journos ?
19:10 asciilifeform ;;google chestnut tree cafe
19:10 gribble The Chestnut Tree Cafe: <http://bartlebysfour.blogspot.com/>; George Orwell: The Chestnut Tree Cafe - Charles' Orwell Links: <http://www.netcharles.com/orwell/ctc/>; SparkNotes: 1984: Book One: Chapters VII–VIII: <https://www.sparknotes.com/lit/1984/section4.rhtml>
19:11 jurov and "one of the first bitcoin users in Germany."
19:11 mircea_popescu keonne Dan Held is hawt, i'm told by my intel dept
19:12 jurov should that concern me?
19:12 mircea_popescu well maybe ?
19:12 mircea_popescu "Meghan Kellison-Lords is a writer and activist from Pensacola, FL. She is the editor at Bitcoin Not Bombs, a writer at Young Voices and Bitcoin Magazine, office manager at Roberts and Roberts Brokerage, and volunteer at Sean’s Outpost Homeless Outreach. She is fascinated by"
19:12 mircea_popescu poor girl.
19:13 mircea_popescu this is like token black guy, except with geeks and women.
19:13 bounce hmm. is the log a "legitimate medium" according to the "bitcoin 2014 definition of legitimate media"? needs letter from editor though. who edits the log?
19:14 jurov yes, it bears duble cherry truck insignia
19:14 mircea_popescu well no, you can't go as press and harrangue the speakers.
19:15 bounce so it's get in free and don't critique or get in for $$$ and sing hosannas along with the prophets
19:15 thestringpuller omg i'm sick of the bitcoin foundation
19:15 thestringpuller just read the conference site...like
19:15 thestringpuller really?
19:15 mircea_popescu thestringpuller if one tries to exist by pretending to exist, one's stuck with lulzier and lulzier pretense.
19:16 mircea_popescu bounce not exactly
19:18 mircea_popescu in other news, i got a prescreen of mpoe-pr's dress for teh conference
19:18 mircea_popescu shit's stunning.
19:18 jurov she deserves better chain, too
19:19 mircea_popescu one dares not discuss womenz chains.
19:19 bounce she's going to be in vienna then?
19:19 mircea_popescu when i say teh conference i mean teh conference, not random derpage
19:19 thestringpuller THE CONFERENCE
19:20 thestringpuller probably one of the few if not only one that matters
19:20 thestringpuller mircea_popescu are any core developers going to it?
19:20 asciilifeform 'core developers' << ?
19:20 bounce whoops. I retract what I asked.
19:20 mircea_popescu i think cores kinda went out of fashion
19:20 thestringpuller yes 'core developers'
19:20 thestringpuller lol
19:21 mircea_popescu liek what, 1975 ?
19:21 thestringpuller we know all the real code is developed by the nameless
19:21 mircea_popescu asciilifeform i presume you still have some kl_core running somewhere ?
19:22 asciilifeform ferrite?
19:22 asciilifeform not atm - but would love to.
19:22 mircea_popescu well yeah. ferrite core.
19:22 asciilifeform how beautiful they were!
19:23 asciilifeform http://ljkrakauer.com/LJK/essays/corestack1s.jpg
19:23 asciilifeform http://blog.savel.org/stuff/20060111b.jpg
19:23 asciilifeform http://www.digibarn.com/collections/parts/dg-corememory/FerriteCoreMemoryDGC-Nova.jpg
19:23 mircea_popescu kinda the last time knitting and it looked similar.
19:23 jurov thestringpuller: u goin?
19:24 bounce read somewhere the bitcoin foundation opened up their forum for all the world to read. somebody take a copy. ought to be plenty research material there.
19:24 asciilifeform if i recall, they were made by skilled weavers.
19:24 mircea_popescu asciilifeform yup
19:24 mircea_popescu british textile industry is one of the antecessors of modern computers.
19:24 thestringpuller jurov: I am incredibly tempted to book air fare, but as mod6 isn't going an I wanted to meet up with him there I decided to wait until next year for Series 3
19:25 mircea_popescu like british typewriter manufacturers
19:25 mircea_popescu (the royal mcbee for instance mostly made money selling typewriters)
19:25 thestringpuller i'm still very tempted to book passage though...
19:25 jurov thestringpuller mircea threatened to move to argentina
19:25 mircea_popescu bounce may be worth it yea
19:27 assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.05840002 = 0.292 BTC [-]
19:28 thestringpuller mircea_popescu: is being a student a job?
19:29 thestringpuller Someone just told me "i have a job. Student."
19:29 bounce inasmuch as they're paying to have that job.
19:31 mircea_popescu well let's put it this way : if that's what one thinks their job is,
19:31 mircea_popescu then that's probably what their job should be.
19:31 BingoBoingo https://bitcoinfoundation.org/forum/index.php?/topic/703-serious-allegations-is-this-michael-thymos-marquardt-part-of-the-foundation/
19:33 mod6 yeah, just didn't work out this year. if its in SA next year, im pretty sure i'll be there.
19:33 mircea_popescu sooo... they made public their posts about how they don't discuss publicly ?
19:33 mircea_popescu such win.
19:34 BingoBoingo Yeah
19:34 BingoBoingo Seems like the goat forum where the lulz sit just beneath the surface
19:35 BingoBoingo EIther that or just noone posts on their forums
19:36 mircea_popescu just derpage about how "Law and Policy Steering Committee Information Started by Lindsay Holland Law and Policy Committee Chair: Mike Hearn Contact email for Chair: mhearn@bitcoinfoundation.org"
19:37 mircea_popescu i mean herp mcderp, what can i tell you, birocratia maxima, some derp goes to target, buys a red stapler and an "Important Person" bumper sticker and suddenly we have yet another... important person with a red stapler.
19:38 mircea_popescu it was better back when wikipedia retardation was mostly content to quarantine itself on wikipedia. but by now it's spilling the fuck over.
19:39 BingoBoingo https://bitcoinfoundation.org/forum/index.php?/topic/884-oh-no-gavins-leaving/
19:40 mircea_popescu BingoBoingo it should be clear to all but the thickest, most disco-dan sort of people in their boat that the battle has been fought, and won, but not by them.
19:40 mircea_popescu a minimally working conservation instinct would send everyone involved packing.
19:41 BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: Sure. I seems that more defections from there are likely in the coming months.
19:41 mircea_popescu who knows, perhaps then there won't be need to hoist the entire troop from the highest catarg, just a few heads.
19:42 ThickAsThieves <mircea_popescu> bounce if you do i'll pay your entrance. but no derpage, make it worth our while. /// yet you wont pay for me to accost people at the Amsterdam one? :(
19:42 mircea_popescu ThickAsThieves define accost ?
19:42 asciilifeform these aren't 'defections,' any more than the proverbial rats who jump the sinking ship are 'mutineers.'
19:42 mircea_popescu asciilifeform well the proverbial rats would be defectors, yes. maps quite exactly.
19:42 mircea_popescu the important point being that she's sunk.
19:42 ThickAsThieves i'm willing to put anyone on the spot really
19:43 ThickAsThieves as long as i agree with the line of questioning
19:43 cgcardona_ anyone gonna be at http://www.globalbtcsummit.com/en/ ?
19:43 BingoBoingo asciilifeform: Mutineers in the way they alert the loyal crew to the rat's low morale
19:43 asciilifeform the animal that created the phoundation still lives
19:43 asciilifeform it will re-group under another name
19:43 ThickAsThieves reporter for Trilema Ragazine
19:43 bounce whoohoo an org chart. too bad it's not downloadable straight: https://bitcoinfoundation.org/forum/index.php?/topic/796-bitcoin-foundation-org-chart-version-10-beta-march-22-2014/
19:44 davout ThickAsThieves: "ragazine" i like this word
19:44 mircea_popescu ThickAsThieves so same goes to you then, ask vehehes a) how much did karpeles pay him to promote his scam ? and b) how much of the muppets' donations to "the foundation" went to his girlfriend.
19:44 ThickAsThieves i dont think he'd answer thos equestions though
19:44 ThickAsThieves he'll just huff n puff
19:45 ThickAsThieves davout i didnt coin the word, i think i may have gotten it from someone else here
19:45 * bounce would probably suck at actually questioning, so go ahead if you'd like
19:45 ThickAsThieves is vehehe even going to Amsterdam
19:45 BingoBoingo https://bitcoinfoundation.org/forum/index.php?/topic/824-active-individual-membership-involvement-has-dropped-to-15/
19:45 ThickAsThieves wait thats a dumb question
19:45 ThickAsThieves of course he will
19:46 mircea_popescu https://www.google.com/search?q=%22Somehow+Bitcoin+Ragazine+and+Vitalik+and+Co,+seem+to+paint+this+as+if+he%22&complete=0
19:46 mircea_popescu check out that shit.
19:46 mircea_popescu beleeted.
19:46 mircea_popescu BingoBoingo prepping a summation piece ?
19:46 BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: Of course
19:47 mircea_popescu davout i could have sworn i coined teh ragazine, but i can't find any reference
19:47 mircea_popescu apparently i have an overactive imagination.
19:47 ThickAsThieves i'm so censorable
19:48 cgcardona_ schwagazine
19:48 mircea_popescu ThickAsThieves it appears exactly twice in the log, on mar 21st, we're like two minutes apart.
19:48 davout cgcardona_: irc needs a "like" button
19:48 mircea_popescu o shit twitter
19:48 ThickAsThieves it aint censored btw
19:48 cgcardona_ :)
19:48 ThickAsThieves "See More"
19:50 ThickAsThieves yeah my logs show mp saying it first
19:50 mircea_popescu nah, it wasn't invented in march
19:50 mircea_popescu it's older, i distinctly recall it being used last year.
19:52 jurov #bitcoin-assets.log:[Monday 07 January 2013] [18:58:28] <mircea_popescu> [03:06:29] cause the new bitcoin ragazine dood is there.
19:52 mircea_popescu oic.
19:53 mircea_popescu gotta learn how to grep right.
19:54 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 11 @ 0.03009998 = 0.3311 BTC [-] {2}
19:54 ThickAsThieves actually peter isnt on the roster for Amsterdam
19:54 ThickAsThieves thought they are claling it their annual meeting
19:55 mircea_popescu aww
19:57 bounce not as speaker or panelist anyway
19:57 mircea_popescu asciilifeform of course it'll regroup and so forth, what do you want, schlügen den teufel aus der welt ?
19:58 asciilifeform lol
19:59 ThickAsThieves "In 2009, non-Hispanic blacks, while only 13.6% of the population, accounted for 39.4% of the total prison and jail population." dafuck is a non-Hispanic black?
19:59 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11950 @ 0.00099703 = 11.9145 BTC [-]
19:59 mircea_popescu ThickAsThieves people who aren't white and whose last name isn't rodriguez ?
20:02 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.60399797 BTC [+]
20:03 BingoBoingo http://gawker.com/this-could-be-a-baby-geep-a-rare-sheep-goat-hybrid-1560279115
20:03 ozbot This Could Be a Baby Geep, a Rare Sheep-Goat Hybrid
20:05 mircea_popescu BingoBoingo guy doesn't understand genetics.
20:05 mircea_popescu black women happily married to black guys occasionally give birth to perfectly fair, blue eyed caucasian babies, doesn't automatically mean they've been porking the milkman.
20:06 BingoBoingo Of course
20:06 cgcardona_ http://cdn.memegenerator.net/instances/500x/48257846.jpg
20:06 mircea_popescu cgcardona_ lol
20:06 cgcardona_ :-]
20:14 BingoBoingo http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-04-05/former-abn-banker-schmittmann-wife-daughter-found-dead-at-home.html
20:14 ozbot Ex-ABN Banker Schmittmann, Wife, Daughter Found Dead at Home - Bloomberg
20:18 BingoBoingo Cognitive Mining: http://valleywag.gawker.com/give-a-child-30-million-for-a-startup-keep-waiting-fo-1555561654/+sarah-hedgecock
20:21 steven-__ http://www.vice.com/read/the-tanzanian-albino-hunt
20:21 ozbot The Fight to Stop Tanzania's Witch Doctors Butchering Albino People | VICE United States
20:22 asciilifeform http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-04-07/silicon-valley-cooks-to-housekeepers-facing-home-eviction.html
20:22 ozbot In Silicon Valley, a New Investment: Eviction - Bloomberg
20:22 asciilifeform (re: politics of housing in usa, bezzle-dollars, etc.)
20:25 MGK Anyone interested in a graded MS65 casacius 1BTC coin?
20:26 asciilifeform 'One in four renters now spend more than half of their income on housing, up from one in five a decade ago, according to a 2013 .... '
20:26 asciilifeform (usa)
20:30 mircea_popescu MGK maybe nubbins`
20:31 nubbins` mmm?
20:32 MGK nubbins you interested in a graded MS65 casacius 1BTC coin?
20:32 nubbins` what year and holo?
20:32 MGK I can make a thread on btc talk and post pictures if you like, asking only 1.5
20:32 MGK I believe its on 13
20:33 MGK I have to be honest, Idont know much about them. I bought it off of NightOwl about 2 months ago
20:33 cgcardona_ pics?
20:33 MGK 1min I will take some now
20:33 assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10 @ 0.055 = 0.55 BTC [-] {2}
20:34 MGK yes its 2013
20:35 MGK brass
20:35 cgcardona_ I recently did some research on casasius coins http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/21kryh/potentially_25101_unspent_casascius_coins/ and http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/21nmck/sorted_25101_casascius_coins_by_denomination/
20:35 cgcardona_ *casascius
20:35 nubbins` not too interested in the 2013 brass -- now if you could find me a 2011 series-2 1btc brass, on the other hand...
20:35 cgcardona_ high level summary—there are potentially 25101 unspent out of 65,000 ish
20:35 MGK eh well ill save the time taking pics then.
20:36 cgcardona_ and then I ran a script to sort them by denomination as well.
20:36 MGK Only have this one left, just sent out my .5 to blazedout this morning
20:36 cgcardona_ 6 1000+ unspent coins still out there.
20:36 cgcardona_ prob the gold bars I guess though I'm unsure if those were included in the masterlist
20:36 cgcardona_ here's the full list https://www.casascius.com/fulllist.txt
20:37 MGK anyone a fan of pawn stars? I have an autographed old man 1oz silver coin lol
20:38 cgcardona_ is this what you're talking about but w/ 1 btc loaded on it?
20:38 cgcardona_ https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=348631
20:38 ozbot Casascius 2013 0.5 BTC brass coin BTC 0.69 with shipping
20:38 MGK already sold the .5
20:39 cgcardona_ but you have a 1btc?
20:39 cgcardona_ and you're asking 1.5 btc?
20:39 mircea_popescu cgcardona_ so few huh
20:40 cgcardona_ yea i imagine someone swimming around in Casasius coins like the scrooge mcduck of cryptos
20:40 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10900 @ 0.00099706 = 10.868 BTC [+]
20:41 MGK yes, heres a pic of the 2 coins, if you like I can take another with my name on paper next to them.http://imgur.com/NNyBwbk
20:41 cgcardona_ wow +1 to the old man coin
20:42 MGK The crack on the top is from my recliner , it fell in the it and I didnt notice, I reclined it and chipped the top but the coin is still locked in the case, wasnt damaged.
20:42 MGK I like the old man coin too, I just got back from LV about 3 weeks ago and I had to buy a couple.
20:43 steven-__ who is that on the old man coin?
20:43 cgcardona_ It's a tough one for me because I've not ordered a casasius from anyone other than the source (and then only aluminum ones for promo material alas) so i'm just not sure what I'd do if it wasn't legit (and I promise I'm not calling you a scammer. Just thinking out loud)
20:43 MGK Thats the old man himself!!
20:43 cgcardona_ the one and only old man!
20:43 cgcardona_ (from pawn stars the show on the history channel)
20:44 steven-__ oh I don
20:44 cgcardona_ how do transactions like this work? do people just go off of bitcointalk trust scores?
20:44 cgcardona_ i've ordered cold wallet kits in the past and went off of that
20:44 cgcardona_ *cold storage
20:45 MGK No problem cgcard. I understand your concern and unfortunately theres not much I can do about that besides tell you I got the coin from NightOwl which is a reputable re-seller and was already graded. Ive never been able to actually touch this coin.
20:46 cgcardona_ sure—Caveat emptor and all.
20:46 cgcardona_ let me think about it. I'm def interested
20:46 mircea_popescu cgcardona_ in general, wot scores.
20:46 mike_c ;;ident MGK
20:46 gribble Nick 'MGK', with hostmask 'MGK!42421ed3@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.66.30.211', is not identified.
20:46 cgcardona_ i want to add some casascius to my cold storage
20:46 mircea_popescu ;;gettrust nubbins`
20:46 gribble WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user mircea_popescu to user nubbins`: Level 1: 2, Level 2: 3 via 3 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=mircea_popescu&dest=nubbins%60 | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=nubbins%60 | Rated since: Wed Oct 16 19:58:53 2013
20:46 MGK Yes we would just go off of trust, I just sold a .5 on the forums he sent first and I shipped out this morning insured and tracking etc. Here is the link,https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=557874.msg6112123#msg6112123
20:46 cgcardona_ mircea_popescu: oh cool
20:47 mircea_popescu yeah, get in the wot both of ye.
20:47 MGK I can respond to a PM on the forums to prove that is my account also
20:47 MGK I have a few deals on there, 1 for over $10k with Goat
20:48 mircea_popescu gpg works a lot better than forum pms.
20:48 cgcardona_ for realz
20:48 MGK Ive heard of that but tbh its confusing, if youd like to walk me thru it I am willing to set it up
20:48 cgcardona_ yea let me watch that thread and once he confirms that he got it I'll think about it. thanks
20:49 MGK No problem, he will have it Wednesday.
20:49 cgcardona_ cool
20:49 mircea_popescu ;;google thedrinkingrecord gpg
20:49 gribble PGP/GPG Guide | Bingo Blog: <http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/pgpgpg-guide/>; Signature Thursday: Geany a GUI text editor for GPG tasks | Bingo ...: <http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2013/10/31/signature-thursday-geany-a-gui-text-editor-for-gpg-tasks/>; Bingo Blog | - of Bitcoin and Boingo: <http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/>
20:49 mircea_popescu firstthng there
20:50 MGK Anyone interested in a cointerra 2TH/s also I am offering the best price on the forums. If you are in between NY and Denver I can deliver it face to face.
20:51 MGK Alright I promise thats it lol
20:51 cgcardona_ that sounds nice. what are you asking for that?
20:51 cgcardona_ is it not legit to discuss deals here? sorry . don't want to spam the channel. still new here
20:51 BingoBoingo http://www.vice.com/read/syria-deraa-USA-Jordan-FSA-regime-CIA
20:51 ozbot I Learned to Fight Like an American at the FSA Training Camp in Jordan: America's Role in the Syrian
20:52 MGK Im not sure, Ive been in this chat maybe 3 times. We can take it to private messages if you like.
20:52 mircea_popescu MGK maybe give a look at the gribble maintained orderbook ?
20:53 MGK I don't understand.
20:53 mircea_popescu http://bitcoin-otc.com/vieworderbook.php
20:54 thestringpuller ;;bids
20:54 gribble (bids [--under] [--market <market>] [--currency XXX] <pricetarget>) -- Calculate the amount of bitcoin demanded at or over <pricetarget>. If '--under' option is given, find coins or at or under <pricetarget>. If market is supplied, uses that exchange. Default is Bitstamp. If --currency XXX is provided, converts to that fiat currency. Default is USD.
20:54 thestringpuller ;;sell
20:54 gribble (sell <amount> <thing> [at|@] <priceperunit> <otherthing> [<notes>]) -- Logs a sell order for <amount> units of <thing, at a price of <price> per unit, in units of <otherthing>. Use the optional <notes> field to put in any special notes. <price> may include an arithmetical expression, and {(mtgox|bitstamp)(ask|bid|last|high|low|avg)} to index price to mtgox ask, bid, last, high, (1 more message)
20:55 assbot [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 100 @ 0.0075 = 0.75 BTC [+]
20:56 MGK Ok I will over look that, thanks.
21:09 cgcardona_ yea I'm still waiting on my freaking piper wallet to arrive. It's been a month since I paid for it and they haven't even sent me a confirmation email. And I've contacted them twice since. :-|
21:09 cgcardona_ buyer beware indeed.
21:09 asciilifeform lol at folks taking pre-orders for widgets that aren't baked yet
21:10 cgcardona_ yea I guess so.
21:10 cgcardona_ all the threads that I read say it's a legit product and that the person who got one was stoked.
21:10 cgcardona_ but my experience has been hella poor
21:10 cgcardona_ i ordered 500 aluminum casascius and they arrived in like 4 days and I got an email
21:11 cgcardona_ i ordered this https://bitcoinpaperwallet.com/
21:11 cgcardona_ and it arrived in like 3 days and I got a personal email from Canton.
21:11 asciilifeform i still don't get, why collect money unless you're ready to hand a widget over
21:11 cgcardona_ nothing.at.all from the piper team
21:11 cgcardona_ well to take money from people like me I suppose
21:11 cgcardona_ hrm
21:11 asciilifeform cgcardona_: isn't 'piper' just a 'raspberry' with bitcoind loaded?
21:12 asciilifeform you could make it yourself
21:12 cgcardona_ yes you're right I can make it myself.
21:12 cgcardona_ i'm considering it of course.
21:12 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9300 @ 0.00099703 = 9.2724 BTC [-]
21:12 asciilifeform (i wouldn't. 'raspberry' is a terrible board)
21:12 cgcardona_ also I'm considering just taking their open source hardware and paying a team of people to churn them out and deliver them on time
21:12 cgcardona_ i'm sure there's a huge market for something that cool
21:12 jborkl why would you pay for that?
21:13 cgcardona_ I think it's pretty cool.
21:13 cgcardona_ we'll see if/when it arrives
21:13 jborkl a pi would not even run bitcoind worth a shit
21:13 asciilifeform anyone who wants to can try this now
21:13 asciilifeform (result is quite sad)
21:13 jborkl it would be easier and cheaper to get a free instance on AWS and run bitcoind on it
21:13 jborkl it you were so inclined
21:14 asciilifeform for wallet?!
21:14 cgcardona_ not if you're trying to create cold storage from an air locked box
21:14 jborkl no
21:14 asciilifeform lol!
21:14 cgcardona_ heh
21:14 jborkl but I would not put my wallet on a pi either?
21:14 cgcardona_ the wallets not on the pi
21:14 cgcardona_ it's spits out paper wallets
21:14 jborkl so I did not think that applied
21:14 kakobrekla you dont need a bitcoind on a pi
21:14 cgcardona_ did you see the video? http://piperwallet.com/
21:14 cgcardona_ it's only like 60 seconds
21:15 cgcardona_ i think it's a sweet concept
21:15 asciilifeform anyone here own a 'FLIR' scope?
21:15 cgcardona_ easier than https://bitcoinpaperwallet.com/ which involves me having a dedicaded computer and printer
21:15 asciilifeform and a 'piper'
21:15 cgcardona_ this just encapsulates it into one device
21:15 asciilifeform do you see where i'm going with this?
21:15 asciilifeform thermal printer.
21:15 asciilifeform ;;google optical tempest
21:15 gribble Information Leakage from Optical Emanations - applied-math.org: <http://www.applied-math.org/optical_tempest.pdf>; CRT Eavesdropping: Optical Tempest - Slashdot: <http://it.slashdot.org/story/02/03/09/199242/crt-eavesdropping-optical-tempest>; Optical Time-Domain Eavesdropping Risks of CRT Displays: <http://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/~mgk25/ieee02-optical.pdf>
21:16 cgcardona_ are you talking about candling?
21:16 asciilifeform except now anyone can read your 'cold wallet' (as it is printed, naturally) from across the street.
21:16 cgcardona_ checking the links now
21:16 cgcardona_ interesting
21:16 asciilifeform likewise the 'built in rng' is... raspberry's
21:16 jborkl thermal paper tends to degrade over time
21:16 asciilifeform or rather, broadcom's on-chip turd
21:17 cgcardona_ now i know why it's taking so damn long. THEY'RE SETTING UP A THERMAL CAMERA ACROSS THE STREET FROM MY HOUSE
21:17 cgcardona_ *sorry for the caps*
21:17 * cgcardona_ snaps off caps lock key
21:17 mike_c asciilifeform: what do you use to generate your wallet?
21:17 asciilifeform thermal tape makes great one-time pads
21:17 asciilifeform burn it with a butane lighter when finished.
21:17 mike_c or, what do you recommend?
21:18 asciilifeform mike_c: i've an analogue rng, feeding /dev/random myself.
21:18 mike_c ah
21:18 cgcardona_ i turn on loud music and shake my booty to generate extra entropy myself
21:18 asciilifeform this is not a heroic feat
21:19 asciilifeform http://trilema.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/11/popul_top.jpg
21:19 asciilifeform (yes mp some. not sure what he did with them)
21:20 cgcardona_ oh I see that's by my Bizarro world clone cgCARDANO - very nice
21:20 asciilifeform for how it was plugged,
21:20 asciilifeform http://trilema.com/2013/unsorted-collection-of-various-cardano-related-updates-spurious-pics/
21:20 ozbot Unsorted collection of various Cardano related updates + spurious pics pe Trilema - Un blog de Mirce
21:20 jborkl why not pull a brainwallet, put it on a pi and make your wallet out of a bible verse. They are everywhere and you only have to remember what you part you put in
21:21 asciilifeform jborkl: do this, and let's see how long the contents last
21:21 cgcardona_ ha
21:21 mike_c oh, of course. you have access to cardano guts :)
21:21 jborkl ok, I will
21:21 cgcardona_ i figured just putting all of my btc behind a 'hello w0rld' brain wallet would be good to go
21:21 asciilifeform how long does it take to move a sliding window across 'gutenberg' archive and bruteforce.
21:22 jborkl I will post up the adress tomorrow
21:22 asciilifeform mike_c: you (and anyone) also have access to analogue rng. open a textbook and pick your favourite...
21:22 mircea_popescu cgcardona_ the more formal objection would be that you're trying to construct a bridge through the process of "here are some bricks i found, i wonder which cool way i could stack them together"
21:23 mircea_popescu whilke this approach often creates half-decent "art" (known in this space as lulz) it neve actually makes a bridge.
21:23 jborkl and you assuming you know what I made the address out of, and you would not irl
21:23 jborkl unless I beat it out of you, but that is a whole other story
21:24 cgcardona_ mircea_popescu: are you referring to my cold storage comments? (just trying to make the connection with what you're saying)
21:24 asciilifeform beat it out << this is why any apparatus that doesn't include a scram zapper is sad.
21:25 mike_c open a textbook and pick your favourite... << or wait a month and disassemble a cardano.
21:25 asciilifeform mike_c: no need to disassemble. it comes in a clear chassis, with blueprints/sources
21:25 jborkl what is a scram zapper?
21:26 mike_c even better.
21:26 asciilifeform jborkl: a special little gift for folks who want to take your keys by force.
21:26 mike_c it is a countermeasure for rectothermal cryptoanalysis.
21:27 asciilifeform partial countermeasure. like a rifle, it only works if fired.
21:27 asciilifeform i can envision folks telling tales of adventure: '... and then i took my C off its safety...'
21:32 mircea_popescu cgcardona_ nah, to your raspberi pi wallet
21:33 cgcardona_ yea that's what I thought you meant. Just wanted to clarify
21:35 mircea_popescu well, "your". just this idle example you made up obivously.
21:37 danielpbarron i have a piper
21:38 danielpbarron but i got mine last year
21:38 danielpbarron i have since ordered some more rolls of paper and I also have not recieved a confirmation email or shipment
21:38 cgcardona_ ok well I guess that's 'good' to hear that someone else hasn't received any confirmation recently.
21:39 cgcardona_ at least I know i'm not the only one left hanging.
21:39 danielpbarron i heard the piper guy was at one of the conferences recently
21:39 danielpbarron maybe he's too busy to fill orders
21:40 cgcardona_ supply != demand. I smell an opportunity.
21:40 danielpbarron i use it to print 1 mBit slips to hand out
21:41 danielpbarron i had to hack it a little to make it stop printing the ugly extra private key and url at the bottom
21:42 danielpbarron but i'm almost out of paper :<
21:42 danielpbarron it's more annoying to not have the paper than to be ripped off for a little coin
21:43 cgcardona_ i'm just erked cause I've been wanting to get my coins off of web wallets. I trust no one at this point pretty much.
21:43 danielpbarron you shouldn't use piper to store large amounts
21:43 cgcardona_ blockchain.info is pretty good of course. Coinbase has been all kinds of screwy lately.
21:43 danielpbarron yeah don't keep it on coinbase
21:44 danielpbarron i have had sketchy stuff happen with coinbase recently too
21:44 cgcardona_ yea I've been having transactions just get stuck in 'pending' for hours cause of their off blockchain stuff.
21:44 danielpbarron yeah
21:44 cgcardona_ the first time it happened I moved all my coins to blockchain.
21:44 cgcardona_ i was like 'sketch balls!'
21:44 danielpbarron i accidently double sent a transaction, luckily to someone I knew irl
21:44 cgcardona_ wow. no way.
21:45 danielpbarron it said it didn't go through the first time
21:45 danielpbarron gave me an error
21:45 cgcardona_ ah I see
21:45 cgcardona_ gotcha
21:45 danielpbarron wasn't showing up on the blockchain
21:46 danielpbarron i sent a test transaction of 1 mBit and it showed up no problem, so i sent the original transaction again
21:46 danielpbarron shared wallets are sketchy
21:46 cgcardona_ yep *cue the 'if you don't have the keys you don't have the btc* mantra
21:48 danielpbarron is anybody familiar with ssss-split and ssss-combine ?
21:54 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25250 @ 0.00100328 = 25.3328 BTC [+] {2}
21:55 nubbins` ;;view
21:55 gribble #20222 Thu Mar 27 14:19:15 2014 nubbins` SELL 1.0 2013 1btc silver Casascius 1Ag1 @ 2.3 btc (None)
21:56 mike_c half the btc and double the numismaticness. sounds like a deal!
22:00 ThickAsThieves mp your pilot idea seems like it had some threads missing
22:00 ThickAsThieves i do like the mood of it, though the more "adult" aspects feel a little out of place
22:00 ThickAsThieves it otherwise feels like it could be filmed in the style of Pushing Daises or Better Off Ted
22:01 ThickAsThieves http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0925266/
22:03 assbot [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 320 @ 0.00083066 = 0.2658 BTC [-] {6}
22:03 ThickAsThieves your blog thinks i am not a human being
22:04 ThickAsThieves i think it's just tricking me to spend more credits reloading!
22:05 assbot [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 231 @ 0.01005333 = 2.3223 BTC [-] {11}
22:06 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 2 @ 0.08299776 = 0.166 BTC [-]
22:07 assbot [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 1155 @ 0.00082544 = 0.9534 BTC [-] {8}
22:08 assbot [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 2360 @ 0.00080716 = 1.9049 BTC [-] {7}
22:15 B007 credits 18UjWu214iygVkA1umQLZaJ8DRtrpS4mFS anyone who sends me 1 btc gets 1000 btc back
22:16 danielpbarron ;;ratingsystem getrating B007
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22:18 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 2120 @ 0.08299776 = 175.9553 BTC [-]
22:21 decimation ascii - that sv story is full of lulz
22:22 asciilifeform which
22:23 decimation the woes of the rent controlled apartments in palo alto
22:24 asciilifeform ah yes
22:24 decimation This "U visa" amuses me. Someone foriegner commits a crime - and that suddenly qualifies the victem for a US green card??
22:24 decimation the mind reels
22:25 decimation s/victem/victim/
22:26 decimation Not to mention, there are thousands of other localities where $12 an hour easily pays for housing
22:26 decimation why does she have to living in the middle of SV? So that Elon can get a burrito for $6?
22:26 asciilifeform decimation: these people want servants, but won't pay for the servants' quarters
22:26 asciilifeform so they externalise the cost
22:27 assbot [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 129 @ 0.0075 = 0.9675 BTC [+]
22:28 decimation just like Mr. Zuckerberg's campaign to import foreign engineer-slaves - who will beg to pay $100k to pay $100k
22:28 assbot [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 78 @ 0.01 = 0.78 BTC [-] {4}
22:29 decimation They beg to get $100k to pay $100k, in the best case
22:29 assbot [HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 7 @ 0.085 = 0.595 BTC [-]
22:30 decimation perhaps the system will be formalized in the future, when rich socialites will pay to have a position in Google, like the British Army
22:31 asciilifeform mp spoke of this not long ago
22:36 decimation wrt housing: USG pumps 30 year loans; forces banks to give them to everyone; USG is then horrified to find that house-prices have been bid into the sky with 30 year money
22:37 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1095 @ 0.00100212 = 1.0973 BTC [-]
22:38 Mats_cd03 sounds like a great way to accelerate inequality and increase renting
22:41 decimation the real problem is that it makes it impossible to differentiate talented managers of resources from fools who happen to be friends with the bezzle-kings
22:42 MisterE "White House spokesman Jay Carney echoed that sentiment as well, saying, “There is strong evidence suggesting some of these [Eastern Ukrainian] demonstrators were paid.”"
22:45 decimation is the fact that "demonstrators" were paid actually discredit something?
22:45 Mats_cd03 ;;later tell mirceau_popescu 'challenge and response' meaning encryption, but more specifically encrypted spread-spectrum signals. many consumer drones are equipped with just wifi or bluetooth, which are comparatively easy to attack
22:45 gribble The operation succeeded.
22:50 decimation both wifi and bluetooh are terrbile for low-latency flight control
22:50 Mats_cd03 i don't get it, because RC manufacturers have been doing just fine, and wifi/bt is just idiotic unless you live in the sticks and/or want more bandwidth from the unit
22:50 Mats_cd03 for... aerial photography, i guess
22:51 decimation RC transmitters use analog FM, no encryption
22:56 decimation nevermind, apparently in the last few years they have started to use 2.4 GHz DSSS and FHSS
23:00 decimation you will never see rc transmitters with custom crypto because of the Wassenaar Arrangement http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wassenaar_Arrangement
23:01 tg2 most don't use encryption, but some do.
23:07 asciilifeform "Microprocessor microcircuits", "microcomputer microcircuits" and
23:07 asciilifeform microcontroller microcircuits, manufactured from a compound
23:07 asciilifeform semiconductor and operating at a clock frequency exceeding 40 MHz;
23:07 asciilifeform (from wassenaar agreement)
23:08 asciilifeform let's campaign to have this enforced!
23:09 asciilifeform Electro-optical and "optical integrated circuits", designed for "signal
23:09 asciilifeform processing" and having all of the following:
23:09 asciilifeform a. One or more than one internal "laser" diode;
23:09 asciilifeform b. One or more than one internal light detecting element; and
23:09 asciilifeform c. Optical waveguides;
23:09 asciilifeform ---- > your cdrom is banned.
23:10 asciilifeform in fact, taking a laptop on an airplane probably qualifies you for an iternational tribunal as war criminal
23:10 asciilifeform breaking at least 500 of these regulations
23:10 artifexd asciilifeform Can you recommend a reasonably priced hardware rng or an acceptable software rng?
23:11 asciilifeform artifexd: for what purpose?
23:11 artifexd dice rolls. key generation.
23:11 asciilifeform keys to something reasonably valuable?
23:12 artifexd Not right now, but the hope is eventually, yeah.
23:12 kakobrekla rng from cardano clearly.
23:12 asciilifeform i'd be tempted to recommend... mine. but right now i've only a handful of them, and they aren't for sale yet.
23:13 asciilifeform if you live and die by the key, it is worth your time to build your own
23:13 asciilifeform and qualify it
23:13 decimation ascii, of course the bureaucrats love the default to be that everyone is a criminal; you are exempt at their discretion
23:13 artifexd reverse biased diode? geiger counter? Something like that?
23:14 asciilifeform when building rng, consider what is to happen when it fails.
23:14 asciilifeform (does it die silently? what happens to output?)
23:14 artifexd My understanding is that they slowly start generating less random numbers.
23:14 asciilifeform artifexd: rng must be periodically tested
23:14 asciilifeform like any safety-critical system
23:15 decimation nothing can replace analysis by a human brain
23:15 artifexd Is there a standard test?
23:15 asciilifeform there are many
23:15 asciilifeform ;;google diehard rng tests
23:15 gribble Diehard tests - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diehard_tests>; The Marsaglia Random Number CDROM including the Diehard ...: <http://stat.fsu.edu/pub/diehard/>; Robert G. Brown's General Tools Page - Duke Physics: <http://www.phy.duke.edu/~rgb/General/dieharder.php>
23:15 decimation http://csrc.nist.gov/groups/ST/toolkit/rng/index.html
23:15 ozbot NIST.gov - Computer Security Division - Computer Security Resource Center
23:16 asciilifeform don't be the schmuck who builds rng which throws away batches of bits that fail some test
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23:16 asciilifeform (as usg wants you to, see 'fips')
23:16 asciilifeform no prizes for describing what this does to the output, statistically speaking
23:17 decimation one cannot say that it makes the output less predictably, anway
23:17 artifexd What kind of rng will the cardano use?
23:17 asciilifeform the one other useful fact is that entropy of (bad rng) xor (better rng) is equal to that of (better rng)
23:18 asciilifeform though, interestingly, this has not been proven rigoriously.
23:18 asciilifeform *rigorously
23:18 asciilifeform artifexd: http://www.loper-os.org/pub/rng/hob.png
23:18 asciilifeform that one.
23:18 asciilifeform based on johnson noise
23:19 asciilifeform the ones in the pic haven't their shields yet.
23:21 decimation ascii surely you aren't going to do all the soldering yourself? are you going to use a production house?
23:21 asciilifeform decimation: for the production run - certainly
23:21 asciilifeform did you actually think i would personally bake every unit ?
23:22 decimation you do have a paranoid streak
23:22 asciilifeform consider the purpose of the product.
23:22 Mats_cd03 the gold is nice
23:23 decimation I suppose there is very little that an enemy could do to diddle with it
23:23 Mats_cd03 do you think theyll be available for purchase in three months
23:23 asciilifeform decimation: (as i will detail at a later time) i am expecting the supply chain to be fucked with
23:24 decimation thus, the encouragement for personal inspection & analysis, I presume?
23:24 asciilifeform that. and we intend to switch part vendors liberally.
23:25 asciilifeform Mats_cd03: how long it will take to go from blueprints to production line is not yet known to me
23:25 asciilifeform three months sounds like a reasonably safe, pessimistic figure
23:26 decimation what made you choose "hu bei gold phoenix" for the pcb house? cheap?
23:26 asciilifeform i used a different house before
23:26 asciilifeform american
23:26 asciilifeform it was 35x the cost.
23:26 asciilifeform for roughly the same quality.
23:26 decimation wow
23:27 decimation surely labor doesn't account for that difference
23:27 asciilifeform it's 'the bezzle' again
23:27 asciilifeform at this point nobody has pcbs made in usa except for military contractors
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23:27 decimation chinese bezzle is spent on its production industry
23:27 asciilifeform (even they try to go chinese, when they can get away with it)
23:28 asciilifeform don't believe? visit the web site of any u.s. pcb maker. they're all decorated with pictures of rockets, tanks, etc
23:28 decimation I guess this is why it only costs $1 to ship anything from hong kong
23:28 asciilifeform phoenix ships 'for free' (well, rolled into the price at any rate)
23:29 asciilifeform everything seems to go on the very next flight, straight to where it is supposed to go.
23:29 asciilifeform now, i hesitate to recommend them 'for everyone' - all i've had done there, is very simple boards.
23:29 MisterE hope the delivered quality is acceptable
23:30 asciilifeform nothing in this particular product is the least bit exotic.
23:30 decimation so just like the us is willing to pay "abused" mexicans to live in palo alto, china is willing to pay to host your factory
23:30 MisterE what are you making asciilifeform ?
23:30 asciilifeform MisterE: http://trilema.com/2013/snsa-first-product-the-cardano
23:30 asciilifeform MisterE: little widget, co-authored with mircea_popescu
23:31 MisterE out of credits :/
23:31 MisterE cool
23:31 decimation what was your smallest trace pitch? 8 mil?
23:31 asciilifeform yes
23:31 asciilifeform as is traditional
23:31 MisterE it's the super small micro traces that can be problemetic eh?
23:32 asciilifeform not only
23:32 asciilifeform there's the occasional 'via' that isn't
23:32 decimation most board houses specify minimums
23:32 MisterE some ICs requiretraces so close it looks insane
23:32 MisterE ok
23:32 asciilifeform the real bitch is assembly
23:32 MisterE ahh yea
23:32 asciilifeform one can trivially make boards by hand
23:32 MisterE yep
23:32 asciilifeform (i used to. 8 mil and smaller, easy. same process as b&w photography)
23:32 MisterE component insertion is a bitch
23:33 asciilifeform i'd have baked the rng pcbs personally, but on account of them being analogue devices, you can't really characterize them unless you use the same board materials as the final product.
23:33 decimation well, surface mount is a bitch without solder mask
23:34 asciilifeform that too
23:35 decimation well, yeah and the drilling of the holes and inserting of vias would be very difficult by hand on your own board
23:36 asciilifeform i've done it before, when younger and poorer
23:36 asciilifeform but it isn't a good use of time
23:36 MisterE same
23:36 MisterE it's a bitch
23:36 decimation impossible if it's more than 2 layers
23:37 decimation unless you ghetto-stack the boards :)
23:38 decimation did you use orcad or some free cad to design the board? are you a fan of eagle?
23:47 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 2 @ 0.08299776 = 0.166 BTC [-]
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