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00:01	artifexd	;;rate mod6 1 Runs ATC bot BitOTTer in #altcoin
00:01	gribble	Rating entry successful. Your rating for user mod6 has changed from 1 to 1.
00:05	cazalla	MisterE: nothing atm, stay at home dad
00:06	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.5954686 = 1.1909 BTC [+] {2}
00:13	cazalla	ah, he's not here.. who doesn't use a bouncer?
00:15	Mats_cd03	i use irccloud
00:15	Mats_cd03	is nice
00:16	Mats_cd03	but theres a log so it doesnt really matter
00:19	cazalla	but i don't know if he reads it so he might assume i am ignoring him
00:20	cazalla	plus i'm instantly suspicious when someone asks what i do
00:20	cazalla	it's 2014, i can be a stay at home dad, check your privilege ffs
00:23	nubbins`	ha
00:25	Mats_cd03	being a stay at home dad is privilege
00:26	artifexd	Mats_cd03, I just got my invite and am looking forward to trying it. Thanks for the pointer.
00:27	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18691 @ 0.00094417 = 17.6475 BTC [+] {2}
00:28	Mats_cd03	its well worth the 5 dollars a month imo
00:29	cazalla	Mats_cd03: yeah, it's good, sick of seeing the wife so much each day though :P
00:30	cazalla	breastfeeding mothers are in a class of their own when it comes to nagging/whinging
00:32	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3170 @ 0.00094474 = 2.9948 BTC [+]
00:33	MisterE	hahaha
00:34	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6750 @ 0.00094474 = 6.377 BTC [+]
00:35	cazalla	MisterE: so you do read logs
00:35	MisterE	not always
00:36	MisterE	but I probably should
00:38	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 72 @ 0.00387486 = 0.279 BTC [-] {13}
00:39	cazalla	so what do you do for a crust
00:44	cads	wow I just read mircea completely demolish some logic, and then make an unfounded claim. An anonymous kid attacked the claim, to which mircea finally admitted the claim was true because he was the elder and does not have to give an explanation and take it or leave it
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00:45	cads	then the kid actually kowtows and apologizes for being treated this way and even _thanks mircea for replying at all_
00:45	cads	I laughed mightily
00:46	cazalla	cads: are you still sober these days?
00:48	cads	what do you mean?
00:48	cazalla	you talked about it last year - i'm reading through the logs from the start and came across that like a week ago
00:49	cads	ah, okay
00:50	cazalla	i wasn't having a go at you
00:50	cads	it's okay
00:51	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26000 @ 0.00094555 = 24.5843 BTC [+] {2}
00:52	cads	I still maintain sobriety from alcohol and other drugs, but I smoke pot
00:53	cazalla	I quit drinking for almost 2 years, started again few weeks before my son was born for some reason
00:55	joecool	cazalla: i'm guessing you are not the mother
00:55	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 4000 @ 0.00010817 = 0.4327 BTC [+] {6}
00:55	cazalla	I must be really drunk if i am
00:55	joecool	lol
00:57	cads	:D
00:59	cads	cazalla: like.. how much booze?
00:59	cads	I have a friend that is so boozy he's constantly at risk of being homeless and I have to ask him is it worth it :P
00:59	cads	and he says "hell no it's not"
01:00	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11766 @ 0.00094838 = 11.1586 BTC [+] {2}
01:00	cads	and keeps right on drinking it's ... heartbreaking
01:00	cazalla	Ah, it's not a problem, I just see the habit forming again that's all
01:00	cazalla	and that's when the problems can occur
01:00	cads	hey I guess that's not a bad place to be looking out from
01:00	cazalla	MP actually said something interesting in the logs about this to you or something else
01:01	cazalla	I'll butcher it when I paraphrase but along the lines of it's not that the world sucks but you're looking at everything through the lense of a sore and tired drunk
01:02	cads	I wouldn't wanna drunk holding my kid, even if that drunk was me :P
01:02	cads	I dunno, regrets, man, don't discount them
01:03	cads	but you'll do the right thing
01:03	cazalla	I don't do that, I just hop into bed and let the wife deal with the crying in the evening
01:03	cads	hah, lucky guy
01:03	cads	how long married?
01:04	cazalla	Well, technically not married
01:04	cazalla	together almost 6 years though so with a kid, we're pretty much married
01:04	cazalla	We discussed it before but she doesn't want to change her surname so I told her I'm not asking then
01:05	joecool	must have a crappy surname
01:05	cazalla	Which sounds like alarm bells to me if anyone else said it but it's all good
01:06	cads	lol
01:06	joecool	"yeah sry i don't want to be mrs. cockgobbler, i hope you understand"
01:06	random_cat	is betsofbitco.in down?
01:06	cazalla	joecool: she's just brainwashed by women's rights, funny how a lot of that went away once she fell pregnant
01:06	cads	"lets renegotiate this deal once you're willing to accept the name change package"
01:07	cazalla	cads: it could be worse, her bff got married and her husband changed his surname, i have no respect for the man
01:07	joecool	cazalla: first year or so my gf thought she'd want to keep her last name, decided she doesn't care now
01:08	cads	cazalla: that's strange
01:08	joecool	in fact she wants to change her first name's spelling as a package deal after she gets married
01:08	joecool	works for me
01:08	cads	I wouldn't ever want to inflict my last name upon a girl
01:08	cazalla	cads: she's vegan, leftist, check your privilege type, i hate the woman and her mouse of a husband just follows what she says
01:09	cads	lol, I like those girls but I fight with them a lot
01:09	cads	also math is weak
01:09	cazalla	joecool: i don't even care so much now that my son has my surname, that was really the only reason why i would've pushed for her to take my surname to begin with
01:09	cazalla	cads: she has great tits though
01:10	joecool	oh vegan would be dealbreaker i think, that or tobacco smoker
01:10	cads	I do vegan only if she cooks
01:10	cads	well
01:10	cads	and doesn't care if I eat meat
01:10	cads	and does sushi
01:11	cazalla	my wife can't cook or clean :\
01:11	cads	she must make a total shameless exception for sushi
01:11	joecool	though tbh i am polar opposite to gf, i can't eat wheat and she cooks bread all the time, i just eat a lot of breakfast food all the time
01:11	cads	god I would hate to clean better than my wife
01:11	cazalla	it's not so much that she can't clean by my mother was OCD about cleaning so my wife will never be up to par
01:11	cazalla	but*
01:12	cazalla	so i cook and clean but she's also breastfeeding so i don't mind so much, that's a job on it's own
01:13	joecool	messes don't cry
01:13	cazalla	it is interesting to watch all the leftish bullshit go out the window since she fell pregnant and bubs was born
01:14	joecool	prob stopped burning the bras now that she needs the support, etc
01:14	cazalla	she wanted him to have my surname, doesn't give 2 shits about the career she left behind and wants to remain a mum, thinks bubs does best with mum + dad around instead of single parent families being no different
01:16	cads	lol, feminists argue single parent families are just as good from statistical standpoint?
01:16	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 40 @ 0.06111111 = 2.4444 BTC [-]
01:16	cads	or just an idealogical one :)
01:16	cazalla	some will argue there is no difference between mum + dad versus single parent or gays
01:16	cazalla	"all they need is love"
01:17	cazalla	backflippd on abortion too, as did i
01:17	cazalla	at least for non medical reasons anyway
01:18	cads	dang, hormones, the ultimate argument
01:18	cazalla	just a shame we don't have guns to hold down the fort here in australia
01:18	joecool	i find it lulzy to see vegan pro-abortionists, i guess my logic is strutured a bit differently
01:18	joecool	*structured
01:19	cazalla	that's not so much my wife, more so her friend who would bring that stupid stuff up and my wife being submissive would just nod and parrot it
01:20	cazalla	i don't know how her husband explained to his parents he was changing his surname to hers
01:20	cads	I mean I'm sure societies where that happens predominantly are juuuust fine
01:21	cads	it just seems like a bitch move
01:21	cazalla	not that i'm the pack leader but he is a bitch, skinny little thing, follows her around, he goes with her to visit her friends
01:22	cazalla	they come around here and i just stay in the computer room while the 3 of them chat
01:22	nubbins`	^ ahahahahaha
01:22	nubbins`	COUPLES NIGHT
01:22	cads	lol
01:23	nubbins`	WHERE'S YOUR HUSBAND ROSE OH HE'S IN THE OTHER ROOM HE FUCKING HATES YOU GUYS
01:24	Mats_cd03	lol
01:25	cazalla	heh it's not that i hate em but they talk about things that don't interest me
01:25	cazalla	and i think he would need permission from his wife to take an interest in what i do in here
01:31	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19169 @ 0.00094866 = 18.1849 BTC [+] {2}
01:43	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 26 @ 0.5984892 = 15.5607 BTC [+] {10}
01:46	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1575 @ 0.00095027 = 1.4967 BTC [+]
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02:08	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 25 @ 0.06111111 = 1.5278 BTC [-]
02:12	BingoBoingo	https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=67547.msg6037404#msg6037404
02:12	ozbot	Starting a new FPGA mining farm/contract Cognitive Resurrected on[Havelock]
02:16	BingoBoingo	Apparently Havelock is reopening Cog for trading
02:17	Duffer1	remind me to read tomorrows log, I fear I may sleep through the great selloff
02:22	Duffer1	Goat mad
02:29	wywialm	hey, could anyone explain to me what does ATC stand for?
02:32	Duffer1	Altcoin
02:32	Duffer1	I'm not sure if that project's been abandoned yet though
02:36	BingoBoingo	Still going strong
02:36	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.60499998 BTC [+]
02:36	wywialm	altcoins in general or a specific project (unknown to me) with this name?
02:37	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.60498999 = 1.21 BTC [-] {2}
02:38	BingoBoingo	The specific project known as Altcoi
02:38	BingoBoingo	n
02:39	wywialm	BingoBoingo: could you point to some details, please?
02:39	BingoBoingo	https://x-bt.com/markets/atcbtc
02:39	ozbot	X-BT - The new marketplace for trading Bitcoin with Litecoin, Namecoin and Altcoin
02:39	BingoBoingo	It's being mined and traded... That's really all there is to it.
02:40	wywialm	thanks
02:40	BingoBoingo	Some people are contemplating gambling sites.
02:42	wywialm	in what ways ATC differs from, um, altcoins?
02:44	BingoBoingo	Well, it is totally like meta. Sure there's a lot of altcoins, but then there's Altcoin.
02:44	BingoBoingo	Doge is a meme, it will fade.
02:45	BingoBoingo	People have argued about the meaning of "is" since Plato and Aristotle. The meta angle has staying power.
02:46	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13286 @ 0.00094866 = 12.6039 BTC [-]
02:47	wywialm	so the power in the name? and what about mechanics?
02:47	cazalla	since when does that matter for altcoins?
02:48	wywialm	oh, finally, my google-fu allowed me to find something about it
02:49	BingoBoingo	Well, it is an SHA-256 coin
02:50	punkman	https://www.crowdsupply.com/kosagi/novena-open-laptop
02:50	ozbot	Novena | Crowd Supply
02:55	BingoBoingo	Junkyard Wars laptop returns
02:58	cads	punkman: I don't remember if I answered your earlier question - thanks for the links
03:00	punkman	cads, I might set that up to generate the kind of leads you are looking for in a few months
03:01	cads	like your choice of dokuwiki, I've used that for a couple projects
03:02	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 16 @ 0.045 = 0.72 BTC [+]
03:04	cads	punkman: have you played around with parts produced by a DLP machine?
03:05	punkman	cads, there's an expensive one at the local uni, but material is expensive and they don't let people use it often
03:05	cads	I understand that the machines print with really great layer times - something like 10 seconds a layer. They print vertical resolution of 0.2, which is par with what I print
03:05	cads	yeah I imagine the big bottleneck with those machines is material cost
03:06	punkman	they also have a couple Stratasys printers with ABS filament, which seem to produce worse quality than a well-calibrated reprap
03:06	punkman	$300/kg ABS filament for those
03:06	cads	you're kidding
03:06	cads	wow
03:08	cads	our client has a stratasys in a europe office but it's tied up most of the time so what the america based vp of development was doing was to fly to the europe office. He'd get a call from some engineers that would ask him if he could arrange to be in europe on this date two weeks from now.
03:09	cads	our parts were sturdier and overall similar quality
03:09	cads	I didn't know we were also getting our material 6 times cheaper
03:09	punkman	ABS pellets are like $100 for 1000kg
03:10	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13485 @ 0.00095294 = 12.8504 BTC [+] {2}
03:10	cads	I'd like a printer that uses direct pellets
03:10	cads	probably a bad idea
03:11	punkman	easier to set up a filament extruder, I think one of the DIY ones does acceptable quality by now
03:12	cads	I'd like to see a printer where the extruder is actually an array of pores fed off of a high pressure hydraulic manifold, using some kind of high reliability high temperature electromechanical actuators
03:12	cads	so I can extrude wide ribbons
03:13	punkman	that's mad scientist stuff
03:13	punkman	:P
03:14	cads	not even the objet does it that way
03:15	random_cat	watson, come here. i want to see you
03:15	cads	I think it would be too easy to cook that kind of a system
03:16	cads	actually, hey, make the extruder plate something like a actual thick plate that is bolted onto the end of a thick pressurized column of plastic
03:17	cads	rather, bolted onto a pipe carrying such a column
03:18	cads	then if the plate clogs (too much), you stop the machine, cool off the plastic, unbolt the endplate retainer, snap the end plate off, then have a look at what's happening with your plastic
03:18	cads	if the plastic isn't cooked you just bolt on another orifice plate and fire it back up
03:19	punkman	Polyjet tech does that array of "pores" thing, but you can't control viscous material like ABS in it
03:19	punkman	so it uses resin and cures it quickly
03:19	cads	yeah that's the big problem
03:20	cads	it's hard to leverage that much ABS, and you certainly can't do it in that rapid side to side motion enjoyed by the objet tech
03:20	cads	I think the extruder head (or build plate) may need to rotate in the w axis
03:21	MisterE	;;ticker --market btce
03:21	gribble	BTC-E BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 410.02, Best ask: 410.052, Bid-ask spread: 0.03200, Last trade: 410.054, 24 hour volume: 36303.61902, 24 hour low: 410.052, 24 hour high: 498.70001, 24 hour vwap: 454.376005
03:21	cads	punkman: this "wide array" extruder configuration would be ideal, if nothing else, for filling in swathes of infill
03:24	cads	as each pore passes into a perimeter boundary it initiates an extrusion event, and as the pore leaves a permeter boundary it ends the extrusion event (and wipes clean on the permeter edge)
03:25	cads	I know that even with current extruders the initial and terminal ends of the extrusion may fail to bond properly with the extruders
03:26	punkman	yeah that's not really gonna work
03:26	cads	but I feel like lags and hysteresis in the extruder have a role to play there too
03:27	punkman	I like this concept a lot, http://www.mcortechnologies.com/3d-printers/iris/
03:27	cads	I just want to pack more plastic per second in the part, lol
03:27	punkman	you could make a 1mm extruder, then work on getting it to go fast
03:28	punkman	not great for detail of course
03:29	cads	I wonder if that would be okay for support too
03:32	cads	1mm increases rate of plastic flow by 4?
03:32	cads	(compared to 0.5)
03:33	cads	I dunno if the rate of goopy flow through a pipe at a given pressure grows like the square of the pipe diameter or no
03:34	punkman	I'd say factor of 2, if layer height is the same
03:34	cads	anyways, time to hit the hay because I'm no longer coherent
03:34	punkman	yeah I'm gonna do some work too
03:34	cads	hmm, later height should be 0.8 mm
03:35	cads	you save four 0.2 mm layer in one fell goop
03:35	punkman	I think this is enough 3d printing talk for #b-a for the next few months
03:37	jurov	wha, still going? :)
03:38	cads	lol, gnite all
03:42	bounce	pity that novena thing has like nothing on available keyboards except "bring your own"
03:42	punkman	bounce, thinkpad keyboards are easy to get
03:43	punkman	that's a really weird design for the $2k option though
03:44	bounce	hope so. I'd like a keyboard without touchpad and with trackpoint. even so you get the usual crappy layout with too many and too small keys
03:51	Diablo-D3	http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/04/01/us-bitcoin-mtgox-karpeles-idUSBREA3021920140401
03:51	ozbot	Judge orders Mt Gox CEO to U.S. for questions on failed bitcoin exchange
03:56	antephialtic	asciilifeform: do you worry that trezor's message signing capabilities might reduce demand for the cardano?
04:03	BingoBoingo	I can't answer for him, but the use cases seem completely different
04:11	antephialtic	trezor can sign arbitrary messages, not just bitcoin transactions
04:12	antephialtic	if they become popular, I could see people using signing addresses a lot more
04:13	antephialtic	nice thing about ecdsa sigs is you can extract the pubkey from the signature, hash it, then check that it matches the signing address
04:13	BingoBoingo	Well, the other problem though is that it is still ecdsa sigs
04:14	antephialtic	right now its a lot clunkier than using normal GPG signatures, but if the trezor becomes widespread, I could see people improving the tooling
04:14	antephialtic	what's wrong with ecdsa sigs? backdoored by NSA?
04:14	antephialtic	if thats true, we are already screwed :) government can just take all our bitcoins
04:15	antephialtic	(if you reuse addresses, that is)
04:15	Apocalyptic	^
04:15	Apocalyptic	that's an important point
04:16	BingoBoingo	Address reuse is theoretically problematic, with a poor RNG it is completely fucked as the android wallet apps demonstrated
04:17	antephialtic	I mean if we think the NSA is some all knowing crypto monster, what's to say they can't break SHA-256? They are the ones that invented it, after all
04:18	truffles	if everything has a backdoor any1 would seem allknowing :D
04:20	BingoBoingo	Well the problem with ECDSA is each signature from a public/private keypair needs a quality random number or the private key is reasonably soluable. People last year who used Android bitcoin wallets lost bitcoin over this known problem.
04:22	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33350 @ 0.00095749 = 31.9323 BTC [+]
04:23	davout	!t m x.eur
04:23	assbot	[MPEX:X.EUR] 1D: 0 / 0 / 0 (0 shares, 0 BTC), 7D: 0.0025 / 0.0025 / 0.0025 (432 shares, 1.08 BTC), 30D: 0.0019005 / 0.00214608 / 0.0025 (3831 shares, 8.22 BTC)
04:23	davout	how do i get the bid/ask?
04:26	punkman	$depth x.eur
04:26	mpexbot	punkman: X.EUR Bids: ['300 @ 0.00326888', '2400 @ 0.0019005', '200 @ 0.00170512', '500 @ 0.00169213', '4200 @ 0.0016245']
04:26	mpexbot	punkman: Asks: ['300 @ 0.00330916']
04:37	Apocalyptic	.d
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04:43	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22557 @ 0.00095986 = 21.6516 BTC [+] {2}
04:52	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 5000 @ 0.00010998 = 0.5499 BTC [+] {6}
05:07	jurov	;;bc,stats
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05:08	BingoBoingo	;;ticker --market all
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05:57	punkman	"years ago when I visited the City Police anti-money laundering division in the City of London who told me with absolutely straight faces that despite London being the centre of international banking, not a single penny of laundered or drug money entered the City banks."
05:57	punkman	"I kid you not that is what they said to me. I asked them if they thought I was on day release from a special needs school. They did not laugh."
06:08	*	moiety catches up
06:08	moiety	i missed the 3d printing talk D:
06:12	moiety	3D printed manuls punkman ... just a thought
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06:38	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15929 @ 0.00096 = 15.2918 BTC [+]
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06:58	BingoBoingo	Imma bout to get hit with a squall line in about 5-15 minutes. If I'm offline a while it is because assholes decide above ground power and internet are great in a area with trees and frequent wind storms
06:59	BingoBoingo	;;ticker --market all
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07:01	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.60799997 BTC [+]
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07:11	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22281 @ 0.00095983 = 21.386 BTC [+]
07:12	khersonus	;;tslb
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07:19	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2473 @ 0.00095983 = 2.3737 BTC [+]
07:26	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32200 @ 0.00095996 = 30.9107 BTC [+] {2}
07:30	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 15 @ 0.0574 = 0.861 BTC [+] {3}
07:30	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 10 @ 0.04523999 = 0.4524 BTC [-]
07:31	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 5 @ 0.05789994 = 0.2895 BTC [+] {3}
07:31	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 4 @ 0.04515249 = 0.1806 BTC [-] {2}
07:33	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 4 @ 0.0579 = 0.2316 BTC [+]
07:34	bounce	http://finance.yahoo.com/news/bitcoin-cryptocurrency-exchange-platform-solution-093200699.html
07:34	ozbot	Bitcoin And Cryptocurrency Exchange Platform Solution For Operators Launched by PFSOFT - Yahoo Finan
07:35	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1500 @ 0.00096 = 1.44 BTC [+]
07:41	mircea_popescu	they want money for it ?
07:44	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 30 @ 0.10144642 = 3.0434 BTC [-]
07:45	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9950 @ 0.000953 = 9.4824 BTC [-]
07:46	bounce	it doesn't say they're giving it away. looks like yahoo was a bit late in picking up this press release.
07:49	BingoBoingo	This was a thoroughly underwhelming storm for these awfully inconsiderate sirens to roused me from bed so.
07:49	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 3 @ 0.04410003 = 0.1323 BTC [+] {2}
07:49	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4100 @ 0.000953 = 3.9073 BTC [-]
08:03	mircea_popescu	lol you got weather sirens ?
08:04	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 7 @ 0.10144642 = 0.7101 BTC [-]
08:06	VanCleef	hey mp
08:06	VanCleef	any new companies being ipo'd on mpex this year?
08:09	mircea_popescu	http://trilema.com/2014/obama-clinton-or-the-end-of-the-republic/
08:09	ozbot	Obama-Clinton, or the end of the republic. pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
08:09	mircea_popescu	VanCleef none so far.
08:12	BingoBoingo	mircea_popescu: Yeah, goes with the area's propensity for tornadoes
08:19	mircea_popescu	oh that far up north ? didn't know.
08:20	mircea_popescu	;;ticker
08:20	gribble	Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 436.18, Best ask: 437.0, Bid-ask spread: 0.82000, Last trade: 437.0, 24 hour volume: 42403.99452722, 24 hour low: 416.11, 24 hour high: 490.56, 24 hour vwap: 444.403658178
08:21	BingoBoingo	mircea_popescu: Well, I'm much closer to st louis than chicago. Right about the same latitude as this airport http://www.kmov.com/news/local/Storms-cause-damage-at-Lambert-Airport-minor-injuries-reported-120523519.html
08:22	BingoBoingo	http://www.kmov.com/news/local/Severe-weather-warnings-issued-for-St-Louis-area-253710611.html
08:22	ozbot	Storms prompt tornado warnings, cause damage in St. Louis area |
08:23	BingoBoingo	This morning's thing that couldn't quite keep it together long enough to make it here intact
08:23	chetty	http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-04-02/venezuelas-maduro-explains-why-its-rich-are-revolting-and-us-responsible
08:23	ozbot	In A NYT Op-Ed, Venezuela's Maduro Explains Why It's The Rich That Are Revolting | Zero Hedge
08:24	BingoBoingo	The rich, the air, who is revolting next today?
08:24	VanCleef	gay mafia?
08:25	mircea_popescu	BingoBoingo oh i c
08:25	mircea_popescu	well it's zeroclue, so.
08:26	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 11 @ 0.04391818 = 0.4831 BTC [-] {2}
08:26	BingoBoingo	mircea_popescu: Eight years ago yesterday a classmate at the time got to see their roof flipped off of their apartment and discarded on the golf course.
08:26	mircea_popescu	anyway, nice bit, it signals the switch of the us from reagan-esque "promoter of democracy" in the world to obama-esque "promoter of democracy" in the world.
08:27	mircea_popescu	the difference between the two democracies aptly described by the differences between the two berlins, on either side of the wall.
08:27	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 5 @ 0.0584 = 0.292 BTC [+]
08:27	mircea_popescu	BingoBoingo and didn't even have to buy the lsd...
08:28	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.05889989 = 0.1767 BTC [+]
08:28	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 3 @ 0.0439 = 0.1317 BTC [-]
08:29	BingoBoingo	mircea_popescu: Nah, springtime here and LSD would be too much.
08:29	BingoBoingo	Here's a particularly interesting storm from when I was in Carbondale for Grad school http://www.spc.noaa.gov/misc/AbtDerechos/casepages/may82009page.htm
08:30	BingoBoingo	"The city of Carbondale was nearly impassable because of fallen trees and debris, and 34 properties were deemed total losses. The campus of Southern Illinois University suffered extensive damage, with nearly 100 windows blown out of residence halls. An unofficial gust to 106 mph was recorded on the roof of the Carbondale airport."
08:32	jadne	rawr
08:32	BingoBoingo	The weather service report neglects to mention how many properties were total losses before the storm.
08:32	mircea_popescu	lmao
08:33	mircea_popescu	ajaja that venezuelan piece is quite the thing.
08:33	mircea_popescu	"we have the lowest inequality in the region [everyone is poor now]"
08:34	mircea_popescu	"Democracy (in the terminology and reality of socialists) seems to be the path of long lines of people waiting, clutching a government issued piece of paper, entitling them to a ration of food, water, health care, gasoline...and of course...toilet paper, not confiscated already for government officials delicate bottoms."
08:34	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14800 @ 0.00095298 = 14.1041 BTC [-] {2}
08:35	BingoBoingo	Why forums can't work: "Since 1998, the movement founded by Hugo Chávez has won more than a dozen presidential, parliamentary and local elections through an electoral process that former American President Jimmy Carter has called “the best in the world.” Recently, the United Socialist Party received an overwhelming mandate in mayoral elections in December 2013, winning 255 out of 337 municipalities."
08:35	BingoBoingo	Plato was right!
08:39	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 700 @ 0.00095544 = 0.6688 BTC [+]
08:41	BingoBoingo	More BitcoinBourse: https://bitcointa.lk/threads/your-company-shares-on-bitcoin-bourse.293679/
08:42	mircea_popescu	so glbse group 3 is well represented ?
08:43	BingoBoingo	Well, CryptoStocks 2.0
08:44	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 10 @ 0.10144642 = 1.0145 BTC [-]
08:45	BingoBoingo	I dunno that they even seem to put in the effort in developing chumptronics to fall into the GLBSE/BTC-TC/Buttfunder camp
08:45	mircea_popescu	my own counting scheme is 1. glbse ; 2. btctc, bitfunder, havelock ; 3. bitcoinbourse etc
08:45	BingoBoingo	Ah
08:45	mircea_popescu	o right, cause the kumala thing existed all along huh ?
08:45	mircea_popescu	no, you have a point.
08:45	ThickAsThieves	mp down with the hags! my only real experience with hags is on nonprofit boards as clients
08:45	ThickAsThieves	such wretches
08:45	mircea_popescu	ThickAsThieves innit ?
08:46	BingoBoingo	Yeah, Cryptostocks is old, but I guess Crytostocks was the first 3rd gen chumpotron of this sort
08:46	mircea_popescu	i'm personally only quoting the italians, as all old women i know are actually pretty great
08:46	ThickAsThieves	well not all old women aare hags
08:46	BingoBoingo	The third gen advance is being so overtly scammy and obtuse to any outside diligence the things might continue indefinitely
08:46	ThickAsThieves	but many on nonprofit boards are, in my experience at least
08:46	mircea_popescu	anyway, medieval/renaissance italian literature hates the cateogry like no other.
08:47	mircea_popescu	by comparison, niggers were popular in the southern us pre and post civil war.
08:47	ThickAsThieves	i think an environment does temper a hag
08:47	ThickAsThieves	they are definitely bitter about something
08:47	ThickAsThieves	probly long forgotten
08:47	BingoBoingo	Well that popularity has largely been supplanted by tractors and pickup trucks
08:48	mircea_popescu	wait people now hate tractors ?
08:48	ThickAsThieves	maybe they are alpha males trapped in a woman's body
08:48	ThickAsThieves	and systemically dismantled over the years
08:48	mircea_popescu	maybe that's the punishment for being an asshole.
08:48	mircea_popescu	you're reborn as a woman and get to live forever.
08:48	ThickAsThieves	hehe
08:49	ThickAsThieves	life is heaven, life is hell
08:49	BingoBoingo	mircea_popescu: Well tractors are now popular in the way coloreds used to be popular. They are useful implements, but a pain to maintain.
08:49	mircea_popescu	they were kinda my favourite toys as a little boy...
08:50	ThickAsThieves	humoursly enough, my favorites were lambos
08:50	ThickAsThieves	yellow ones
08:50	mircea_popescu	ha!
08:50	mircea_popescu	omfg i just had the evilest thought. suppose you have a bad dog like this one : http://i.imgur.com/5C8zhB5.jpg
08:50	BingoBoingo	Maybe Goat's next lambo will be the original model
08:50	mircea_popescu	suppose you add large-ish suction cups as part of the bottoms of the casts
08:50	mircea_popescu	so he can now... climb walls
08:51	ThickAsThieves	get off the dope!
08:51	BingoBoingo	Where is moiety for this dog talk
08:51	mircea_popescu	dude it's good stuff.
08:51	mircea_popescu	dogbombardment
08:52	BingoBoingo	Might be a decent source of entropy
08:52	mircea_popescu	fill all the lights with bacon...
08:53	moiety	someone say dog?
08:53	BingoBoingo	Or cheese. Cheese makes dogs gassy for greater lulz
08:53	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 8 @ 0.043675 = 0.3494 BTC [-] {2}
08:53	moiety	mircea_popescu: how is that an evil thought??? spider-dog FTW!
08:54	moiety	imagine the sounds it would make tooo
08:54	moiety	was goat's lambo actually real btw or a trollstory
08:55	mircea_popescu	just like all the rest of goat's stuff. if you're the sort of person that believes things some guy claims, it was real.
08:55	moiety	didn't think so
08:55	mircea_popescu	if not, you can join the line. it started back in 2012, when he was going to prove he had a mining farm.
08:55	mircea_popescu	anyminute now.
08:56	BingoBoingo	His forum is... interesting
08:56	*	moiety rolls eyes
08:56	moiety	i thought .. hmm right then at the 21 y/o thai wife
08:56	moiety	ok so ... who has a dog we can attach suction cups to?
08:56	moiety	spider-cats? i have two
08:57	mircea_popescu	if anyone is old enough to remember the picostocks / 100blabla scam ? the one that briefly took on buzzdave after his basicminer scamstint, before the girl drove him out ?
08:57	BingoBoingo	I remember it a bit.
08:57	mircea_popescu	that one was pretty much the same thing, guy claiming he's rich and he has bought X miners, then that thing went scam
08:57	mircea_popescu	but the rich guy somehow hadn't lost anything, and immediately bought just as much of Y thing.
08:58	mircea_popescu	this is the typical way imagined fortunes work, and it belies their virtuality. the guy wasn't actually invested, but merely pretended to be invested.
08:58	BingoBoingo	Dave's still something http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2014/03/meet-the-manic-miner-who-wants-to-mint-10-of-all-new-bitcoins/
08:58	mircea_popescu	the actuality of the failure of the purported investment does nothing to alleviate the causes of the pretense, and so the pretense is simply rehashed.
08:58	mircea_popescu	re-making the claim costs about as much as it cost originally.
08:59	mircea_popescu	same with goat. he was in here explaining how great future silver has,
08:59	mircea_popescu	then silver went to shit, but that's ok, cause he was really invested in... whatever went up.
08:59	mircea_popescu	retroactively.
09:01	BingoBoingo	Who the fuck though wears a down jacket in a datacenter?
09:01	mircea_popescu	BingoBoingo for completitude's sake, the blatant set really should be cryptostocks / picostocks / bitcoinbourse
09:01	ThickAsThieves	mp, do you think you'll ever invest in mining infrastructure? do you think governments will? what if china controls all our coinz?
09:01	mircea_popescu	and we have the equivalent "exchanges", icbit, bitfinex etc
09:01	mircea_popescu	ThickAsThieves i said government had, a couple months after they had started, a few months ago.
09:02	mircea_popescu	i personally possibly not. it's just not one of my strenghts.
09:02	mircea_popescu	i don't own power plants either ;/
09:02	ThickAsThieves	which governments mine?
09:02	BingoBoingo	picostocks is prolly more a 2.5 gen chumpotron
09:02	ThickAsThieves	i feel like if the US is gonna tax it, they should support it
09:03	mircea_popescu	BingoBoingo they never were anything but blatant about it, weren't they ?
09:03	chetty	National Foundation for the bitcoin
09:03	mircea_popescu	ThickAsThieves that type of concern is vastly alleviated by the btc cap. we've already mined more than half the total.
09:03	mircea_popescu	nobody will control all the coins, too late for that.
09:04	BingoBoingo	mircea_popescu: They were blatant, but the weren't quite as refined in their Haxxed, coins are gone as Cryptostocks/Vircurex was where some separation was imagined
09:04	mircea_popescu	(this incidentally is one major point proponents of alternative coins don't realise. one of the most important permanence factors in a coin is just how well distributed the coinbase is. this is not something later coins will readilyt achieve, bitcoin achieved by accident
09:04	ThickAsThieves	i understand that much, but the mining ecosystem is its own thing
09:05	mircea_popescu	or not really accident, more like the interplay of will and understanding, as limited by reality - i demonstrated this once in here using asciilifeform as my victim)
09:05	mircea_popescu	ThickAsThieves sure, but not nearly as threatening
09:05	ThickAsThieves	for example, it's not absurd to think cex.io has more than 51% right now
09:05	mircea_popescu	why ?
09:05	ThickAsThieves	and is hiding the "excess"
09:05	mircea_popescu	cex is a minor player.
09:05	mircea_popescu	you may not know this, but there's a major miner bezzle market going
09:05	BingoBoingo	It's also not absurd to imagine cex.io doesn't have any hardware
09:06	ThickAsThieves	sorry by cex i mean ghash.io pool + the remainder
09:06	mircea_popescu	where people pay a slight premium to be allowed to pretend they mine by the actual miners.
09:06	mircea_popescu	this works to everyone's benefit : the actual miners get to conceal their mining, which they want to do
09:06	ThickAsThieves	i mean the remotely measurable stuff
09:06	mircea_popescu	the pretenders get to pretend like they matter, which ios really all they're interested in
09:06	ThickAsThieves	not reported bs
09:06	mircea_popescu	nothing is remotely measurable.
09:06	mircea_popescu	in mining.
09:06	ThickAsThieves	so the pool reports are a lie?
09:07	mircea_popescu	the connection between mining and identity is aribtrary. purely.
09:07	mircea_popescu	if i own 1petahash worth of mining gear, and we have a deal that you claim to own 1petahash worth of mining, we can work it so no third party can ever discover this.
09:08	ThickAsThieves	i agree
09:08	ThickAsThieves	but that goes to my point as much as yours
09:08	mircea_popescu	i want this, because a mine is a physical thing, it needs proxying.
09:08	mircea_popescu	you want this because you're a goat
09:08	mircea_popescu	best of all worlds.
09:08	mircea_popescu	no, it's more subtle than that ThickAsThieves
09:08	mircea_popescu	remember how i told tg2 to stfu yest, because it's not HIS job to tell the exchanges how to exchange ? it's not.
09:09	mircea_popescu	in exactly the same way, it's not your job to "verify" that the miners don't 51%
09:09	ThickAsThieves	i have him ignored
09:09	BingoBoingo	!t h cog
09:09	assbot	[HAVELOCK:COG] 1D: / 0 / (0 shares, 0 BTC), 7D: / 0 / (0 shares, 0 BTC), 30D: 0.00200000 / 0.02949251 / 0.05480000 (895 shares, 26.39580023 BTC)
09:09	mircea_popescu	its their own self interest that does.
09:09	mircea_popescu	not in any sense within your control.
09:09	ThickAsThieves	i dont want that job
09:09	mircea_popescu	well i use you generically.
09:09	ThickAsThieves	are you sayng that if mining power centralized to an unhealthy degree, so what?
09:10	mircea_popescu	i am saying that a) it cannot happen and b) this irrespective of what you know or don't know.
09:10	mircea_popescu	so in your terms "if you think it is or you think it isn't, so what ?"
09:11	ThickAsThieves	i mean i hear you, but this isnt quite about what i think or know, so much as what "is"
09:11	mircea_popescu	there is no i.
09:11	mircea_popescu	there is no is.*
09:11	ThickAsThieves	maybe tackle from another angle,
09:11	mircea_popescu	aite.
09:11	ThickAsThieves	would you say the more miners the better?
09:12	mircea_popescu	up to a threshold. then it doesn't really matter
09:12	ThickAsThieves	a dynamic threshold?
09:12	mircea_popescu	possibly, depending what context you working in
09:12	ThickAsThieves	suppose most miners are indeed in china
09:12	mircea_popescu	aite.
09:12	ThickAsThieves	and bitcoin is a huge thing
09:12	BingoBoingo	Interesting point: Discus Fish. Was a nothing six months ago. Now relayed to b.info 2 of the last six blocks first
09:13	ThickAsThieves	and US blows up china
09:13	mircea_popescu	ha-ha.
09:13	ThickAsThieves	i know i know
09:13	mircea_popescu	i can't discuss the impossible tho, because anything can be logically derived from nonsense.
09:13	ThickAsThieves	i'm basically trying to make a case for mining diversification
09:13	mircea_popescu	but you're misstating it. if most of the world is china, then most of the world is going to be china
09:13	mircea_popescu	why get drunk on air?
09:13	ThickAsThieves	and for institutions to support that mining
09:14	mircea_popescu	institutions have no business existing.
09:14	asciilifeform	antephialtic: re: trezor: open the widget and let it speak for itself.
09:14	mircea_popescu	the future is of individuals, who are going to be the institutions. like it or not.
09:14	ThickAsThieves	i dunno
09:14	mircea_popescu	well sure, but this "institution" bs is gone.
09:14	mircea_popescu	we're going back to caesar who is personally the emperor,
09:14	ThickAsThieves	i can buy it, except for that all history and all things in the universe say otherwise
09:15	mircea_popescu	running an empire of generals and senators who ARE, they themselves personally, the respective institutions.
09:15	ThickAsThieves	things contract into form, and explose into chaos over and over
09:15	mircea_popescu	the "country of laws not men" failed much like the giant leap forward failed.
09:15	BingoBoingo	http://tech.slashdot.org/story/14/04/03/1240258/russian-glonass-down-for-12-hours
09:15	ozbot	Russian GLONASS Down For 12 Hours - Slashdot
09:16	ThickAsThieves	are you saying the the age of the individual through tech can evade becoming to "centralized" and live between chaos and form?
09:16	ThickAsThieves	too*
09:16	BingoBoingo	https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Log/2014_March_24#Mircea_Popescu
09:16	BingoBoingo	Wiki hates
09:16	ozbot	Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Log/2014 March 24 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
09:16	mircea_popescu	ThickAsThieves i suppose, depending on what exactly ou mean by that.
09:16	asciilifeform	BingoBoingo: that loltron is still going?!
09:17	BingoBoingo	asciilifeform: Just closed.
09:17	mircea_popescu	BingoBoingo o, they beleeted it ? awww.
09:17	asciilifeform	last i checked, i was proclaimed a spammer and given a shitburial
09:17	truffles	orly
09:17	mircea_popescu	asciilifeform well because you were, what, you dare contest teh wisdom that is ?
09:17	truffles	biggest spammer above u dood
09:18	truffles	^^^
09:19	BingoBoingo	Eh, give it a few years and then wikipedia will be subsumed by wiki.bitcoin-assets.com/archive/fail/wikipedia
09:20	mircea_popescu	i dunno about that. ideally we dun pour effort into dirt
09:20	BingoBoingo	I doubt effort will be needed
09:20	dirt_	dont effort into me
09:20	truffles	asciilifeform u have a blog right? link again plz
09:21	mircea_popescu	anyway, once public education becomes a thing of the past, we'll be back to having actual literacy and actual encyclopedists will write actual encyclopedias,
09:21	mircea_popescu	which will be actually worth reading
09:21	mircea_popescu	lolstate oops dirt_
09:21	mircea_popescu	:D
09:21	asciilifeform	truffles: small blog - http://www.loper-os.org
09:21	ThickAsThieves	what i mean is, by my own understanding so far, it seems all things centralize over time. in the context of human civilization this is seen quite obviously in, probably, all things observable
09:21	truffles	ya but its well written :)
09:21	mircea_popescu	things centralise as they die.
09:22	BingoBoingo	ThickAsThieves: COunterexample - Yugoslavia
09:22	ThickAsThieves	it's a cycle, yes
09:22	ThickAsThieves	and despite its elegance, i'm not sure bitcoin can avoid this
09:22	ThickAsThieves	of course, the timeline for any given thing centralizing and dying is uknown
09:22	mircea_popescu	my own view of that cycle is something like : a cool thing makes inroads. the people doing the cool thing eventually die, their successors aim to maintain that greatness
09:22	truffles	somehow i had forgotten to bookmark
09:22	BingoBoingo	ThickAsThieves: Counterexample - Rawandan Hotelliers
09:22	mircea_popescu	so they resort to the fuel available : centralising
09:22	mircea_popescu	and then eventually that runs out too and that's that.
09:23	ThickAsThieves	i think there that danger must exist in bitcoin somewhere
09:23	asciilifeform	incidentally, i was proclaimed an unrepentant spammer, years ago, by no less a spam god than pg (http://www.loper-os.org/?p=91)
09:23	ThickAsThieves	if not mining, if not owning of majority coins, then somewhere else
09:23	ThickAsThieves	eventually
09:23	mircea_popescu	suppose you all get extradited to the us to stand trial as witnesses in civil proceedings against unrelated third parties, and are liek waterboarded for lyf. as the forum says will happen.
09:23	mircea_popescu	the idiots left to replace you will decide well... the only way to maintain the glory of -assets that was
09:23	truffles	asciilifeform why
09:23	chetty	well perhaps none of us will live long enough to see the next centralization
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09:23	mircea_popescu	is to all pretend we're mp
09:24	mircea_popescu	so the channel spends a while as a dump of copy/pasted material
09:24	mircea_popescu	and slightly re-written webcopy
09:24	mircea_popescu	and then eventually dies.
09:24	mircea_popescu	that's the cycle.
09:24	ThickAsThieves	maybe the centralization is bitcoin itself
09:24	ThickAsThieves	load up on your ATCs!
09:25	asciilifeform	re: GLONASS: russia fucked the goat when it decided, in late '70s, to copy american CPUs so that warez can be used instead of investing in software dev.
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09:25	asciilifeform	it remains to be seen whether it will recover from this mistake.
09:25	mircea_popescu	asciilifeform i dun think that was such a bad call myself.
09:25	asciilifeform	check out the latest 'Elbrus', for instance. x86, runs... xp.
09:25	truffles	http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1276104/ so u havent seen this movie?
09:25	ozbot	Looper (2012) - IMDb
09:26	asciilifeform	;;google siberian pipeline explosion
09:26	gribble	Siberian pipeline sabotage - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siberian_pipeline_sabotage>; Urengoy–Pomary–Uzhgorod pipeline ( 1983 ) - Wikipedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Urengoy%E2%80%93Pomary%E2%80%93Uzhgorod_pipeline>; Update: Agent Farewell and the Siberian Pipeline Explosion ...: <http://nsarchive.wordpress.com/2013/04/26/agent- (1 more message)
09:26	asciilifeform	did this teach anything? of course not.
09:26	ThickAsThieves	i'd like to see a blog that consistently tackled the topics that make people like us most uncomfortable
09:26	ThickAsThieves	mp: so make it
09:27	truffles	TAT i doubt that
09:27	BingoBoingo	ThickAsThieves: But different things make us uncomfortable unequally
09:27	mircea_popescu	ThickAsThieves the point of blogging is to explore exactly that.
09:27	asciilifeform	truffles: the cheap flick with the time machine mafia?
09:27	ThickAsThieves	bingo that's even better
09:27	truffles	pfff it was watchable!
09:27	asciilifeform	truffles: not sure how it relates
09:27	BingoBoingo	ThickAsThieves: Just blag already
09:27	truffles	loper/looper
09:27	mircea_popescu	asciilifeform if memory serves, the lessons learned were more about vetrov
09:28	ThickAsThieves	well, to be candid, and i love you guys, but right now our blog army is mostly preachers to the same choir
09:28	asciilifeform	truffles: 'lopers' were aliens from clifford simak's 'city'
09:28	mircea_popescu	so make it :D
09:28	mircea_popescu	the point was never to agree. the point was to disagree well.
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09:28	truffles	is there a movie?
09:28	VanCleef	i have feelings for u too
09:28	truffles	omg rly mp u hate ppl who dont agree with u hypocrite
09:29	ThickAsThieves	thinking out loud, so sorry if this sucks, but i was also wondering whether having scheduled debate/topic events in channel would be cool
09:29	*	truffles loves debates
09:29	mircea_popescu	it'd certainly relieve me of the need to be always here whenever you schmucks manage to get an idea or something :D
09:29	ThickAsThieves	kinda invite outsiders to watch and see the channel flex
09:30	*	truffles laughs
09:30	mircea_popescu	nah see, that's just moving the choir mentality down the road.
09:30	mircea_popescu	fuck the outsiders.
09:30	mircea_popescu	they wanna participate they'd better find it.
09:30	ThickAsThieves	it's not like we'd "market" it
09:30	asciilifeform	truffles: it was a minor subplot. they find these critters on jupiter, living in the gas, and decide to study them. by building a machine which transforms people into them, so they can see what their life is like. and then, for years, no one returns to be converted back. eventually one fellow comes back. and tells how much more fun it is than being human. end result: mankind vanishes, converted to lopers.
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09:30	ThickAsThieves	so much as post the schedule
09:30	ThickAsThieves	or such
09:30	mircea_popescu	http://24.media.tumblr.com/8af209a669c2530419926ed6f84527a6/tumblr_mk7vm9TzcU1rmcr76o1_1280.jpg
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09:31	mircea_popescu	this, actually, i propose as quite an illustrative 10k words summary of -assets
09:31	truffles	ohh sounds cool
09:31	mircea_popescu	aren't the girls on the left just as hot as the one on the right ?
09:31	mircea_popescu	sure. and more numerous to boot.
09:31	truffles	link me (will put on my to do list)
09:31	mircea_popescu	however, they are perfectly useless, and will not matter.
09:31	mircea_popescu	she on the right matters. they on the left don't even exist.
09:31	truffles	mankind vanishing sounds kinda hmmm
09:32	antephialtic	mircea_popescu: w.r.t. to owning the hashpower, it is clear that the most effective way to launder the proceeds of some crime through bitcoin is to purchase mining hardware with the dirty cash
09:32	ThickAsThieves	The found and CEO of BitPay, Tony Gallippi, commented: “The launch of our new brand and logo aligns with our open-source culture."
09:32	antephialtic	in return for "clean coins"
09:32	mircea_popescu	antephialtic or purchase mining power.
09:32	VanCleef	tony seems really dodgy
09:32	ThickAsThieves	i've met him, he's hard to read
09:32	mircea_popescu	he's the only brain left in the bitcoin scamfoundation troop.
09:33	mircea_popescu	for as long as he can put up with the imbeciles, at any rate.
09:33	VanCleef	did he have a nice smell?
09:33	ThickAsThieves	he seems kind
09:33	antephialtic	VanCleef: BitPay is doing some good stuff. They are the only company that actually invests in the protocol itself
09:33	VanCleef	bitpay is the paypal of bitcoin reality
09:33	truffles	TAT why dont u start another channel with the debate stuff?
09:33	ThickAsThieves	with a hint of nervousness
09:33	ThickAsThieves	because
09:33	asciilifeform	why does the protocol need 'investment' ?
09:33	BingoBoingo	I dunno how I feel about Bitpay promoting some node.js BBQ stuff they's been pimping
09:33	ThickAsThieves	that's why
09:33	BingoBoingo	Seems Intersango like
09:34	mircea_popescu	antephialtic nah, not only and not even notable.
09:34	mircea_popescu	conformal is much more "only" and definitely more notable.
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09:34	VanCleef	its just my humble opinion, i dont trust bitpay
09:34	antephialtic	Not the node.js stuff, that is a gimmick to get more shitty stack-overflow copy/pasting devs building crappy webapps
09:34	punkman	in an alternate universe, we have node.ps http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NeWS
09:34	antephialtic	BitPay pays Jeff Garzik's salary
09:34	antephialtic	for him to work on bitcoin-core fulltime
09:34	truffles	TAT i think it will achieve what u want better imo :)
09:34	VanCleef	yeh and Jeff Garzik is a snitch
09:34	VanCleef	i dont trust him either
09:34	BingoBoingo	antephialtic: You know TradeFortress was a hugbox node.js fan
09:35	ThickAsThieves	i'm just floating whims
09:35	mircea_popescu	so what of it ? conformal pays its devs the salary to work on bitcoin-core full time.
09:35	ThickAsThieves	not trying to start a revolution
09:35	mircea_popescu	let me underscore that the core devs of bitcoin are at conformal not at the scam foundation.
09:35	truffles	chat revolution?
09:35	antephialtic	name one miner mining off of btcd
09:35	mircea_popescu	why ?
09:35	truffles	twas ur "idea"
09:35	BingoBoingo	Actual miners are the least knowable thing in BTC
09:35	antephialtic	look at the commit log, they fix chain-splitting bugs constantly
09:36	mircea_popescu	yeah, when they're not hardforking the chain
09:36	truffles	i like how theyre like 3 topics ongoing heh
09:36	antephialtic	mircea_popescu: as a grotesque consequence of the sad state of the bitcoin-core codebase, bitcoin-core is unreplaceable
09:36	mircea_popescu	you really don't want to go into utility. so far the pretend-core devs are a liability overall.
09:36	mircea_popescu	that nonsense has no currency here.
09:36	ThickAsThieves	reddit doesnt seem to notice that every China-is-doomgloom post is by the same guy
09:36	BingoBoingo	truffles: There's always only been one topic here
09:36	mircea_popescu	i know, the circlejerk that is the pretend-core likes to convice themselves they're needed because they're stupid.
09:37	mircea_popescu	that's not how tech works.
09:37	mircea_popescu	not since 1800s at least.
09:37	truffles	boingo right now doubtful
09:37	antephialtic	mircea_popescu: I respect you. But I don't see you committing patches and fixing bugs. It's dirty work, but somebody has to do it.
09:37	mircea_popescu	dirty work does not become notable by virtue of being dirty.
09:37	mircea_popescu	;;google "there's some lovely filth down here"
09:37	gribble	Oh! There is some lovely filth down here - YouTube: <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ZD89CEO1Vk>; Monty Python Holy Grail : Autonomous Collective - YouTube: <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-8bqQ-C1PSE>; Monty Python and the Holy Grail: <http://www.sacred-texts.com/neu/mphg/mphg.htm>
09:37	antephialtic	yes, but it has utility.
09:38	VanCleef	its good that bitcoin is centralised to a few core devs
09:38	asciilifeform	antephialtic: what genuine bug has been patched since satoshi left ?
09:38	mircea_popescu	that's a case by case basis. in their case, it does not.
09:38	BingoBoingo	truffles: The topic is and has always been everything. It is unchanging
09:38	mircea_popescu	antephialtic in point of fact nobody sane uses their releases, most bitcoin is on .6 at the latest
09:38	antephialtic	asciilifeform: chain fork that happened
09:38	truffles	everything umk
09:38	mircea_popescu	in this sense, if they went home today, or if they went home in 2013, it'd have made no difference
09:38	mircea_popescu	this is the definition of not useful.
09:38	truffles	nice that everything is on 3 things though
09:39	mircea_popescu	<antephialtic> asciilifeform: chain fork that happened << it didn't "happen". mike hearn manufactured it.
09:39	mircea_popescu	the rest of them enabled it.
09:39	antephialtic	I disagree, P2SH is actually a big improvement in security by making multisig not a huge bitch to use
09:39	asciilifeform	i remember this. and thought that other people did, too.
09:39	mircea_popescu	antephialtic you're sliding the conversation all over the place.
09:40	antephialtic	well, my overall point (which you disagree with me on) is that the core devs provide value to all bitcoin users.
09:40	mircea_popescu	indeed, i fully disagree with that point.
09:40	BingoBoingo	I dunno that easy ECDSA multisig is a feature and not a "feature"
09:40	mircea_popescu	overall, they're a slight liability so far, and the trend is negative
09:40	mircea_popescu	they'll be a major liability this time next year, at the rate they're going.
09:40	asciilifeform	the core devs remind me of vagrants who pour water on cars at stoplights and then demand money for the 'wash.'
09:40	ThickAsThieves	i concur, i feel like they trailblazing in the dark toward a cliff
09:40	mircea_popescu	actually that's exactly it. vagrants with dirty rags at ny stop lights.
09:41	VanCleef	lol perfect description ascii
09:41	mircea_popescu	"they're useful", i nthe sense of mostly hungry.
09:41	ThickAsThieves	thats not to say that i think meaning isnt possible
09:41	ThickAsThieves	meaningful*
09:41	asciilifeform	'i washed yer car, pony up' - 'i might throw you a penny, but you should've used water, not piss'
09:41	antephialtic	heh.
09:42	mircea_popescu	asciilifeform "what the fuck are you doing here ?" "washing your wife, what does it look like!" "get out! " "hey, you owe me fifty bucks"
09:42	antephialtic	but I do agree with you that conformal giving them some competition is a boon. I hope btcd becomes a fully viable alternative
09:42	antephialtic	(to the point where protocol additions/modifications can be implemented there first)
09:42	mircea_popescu	antephialtic and i agree with you[r unstated point] that they're too young yet to have shown they suck,
09:42	mircea_popescu	so the future is still largely unknown.
09:43	ThickAsThieves	last night, driving home, i see these large flashy signs saying "NARCOTICS CHECKPOINT"
09:43	ThickAsThieves	then tons of cop lights for a half-mile
09:44	ThickAsThieves	with people pulled over
09:44	ThickAsThieves	i wasnt pulled over
09:44	ThickAsThieves	but i do wonder hoe the fuck this works
09:44	ThickAsThieves	how*
09:44	ThickAsThieves	"Do you have drugs?" "No." "Carry on" ?
09:44	mircea_popescu	outrageous.
09:45	ThickAsThieves	we are definitely overstaffed in this county
09:45	VanCleef	spread your cheeks and cough
09:46	mircea_popescu	;;later tell justusranvier http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-04-2014#601622 prolly interest you.
09:46	gribble	The operation succeeded.
09:46	ThickAsThieves	is it an idiot trap? i mean all you do is say "is that an order?" "am i free to leave?" and that's it rigght?
09:46	mircea_popescu	i'd fucking sue the town.
09:47	ThickAsThieves	last weekend,
09:47	mircea_popescu	"you delayed me. pay up. you didn't pay up of your own accord. here's my lawyer. pay him too."
09:47	ThickAsThieves	they has a first-time craft beer festival
09:47	ThickAsThieves	partially promoted and organized by the city
09:47	ThickAsThieves	well,
09:47	ThickAsThieves	5 years ago the city had a nice new parking lot made near the area
09:48	ThickAsThieves	free every day all day
09:48	ThickAsThieves	then you go the event and it's all blocked off
09:48	ThickAsThieves	with someone collecting fees
09:48	ThickAsThieves	AND it was a pay event
09:48	ThickAsThieves	i dont get it...
09:48	VanCleef	dont they search your car?
09:49	VanCleef	if they wanted to
09:49	ThickAsThieves	so we pay for the lot, and when we need it most you charge us again?
09:50	BingoBoingo	Eh, the state universities in Illinois have this odd rule where parking must be financed separately from the university it is attached to
09:51	BingoBoingo	The end result is a desire to sit in the parking garage for a lecture rather than any of the lecture halls
09:52	mircea_popescu	;;later tell cads http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-04-2014#601035 << where is this ?
09:52	gribble	The operation succeeded.
09:53	asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: i'll say they learned vetrov's lesson when they quit winblows.
09:53	moiety	what an epic day! I can think straight again! *getting to keep my house a wee bit longer!
09:54	mircea_popescu	nah, they just changed how they did personnel . for the nth time.
09:54	asciilifeform	nato strategy for getting russians to eat shit, however, is brilliant - eat it themselves.
09:54	BingoBoingo	congrats moiety
09:54	mircea_popescu	homeless moiety ?!
09:54	asciilifeform	'they're eating it, why shouldn't we'
09:54	moiety	not yet mircea_popescu
09:54	*	moiety beams
09:54	mircea_popescu	asciilifeform brilliant is one way to call it...
09:54	moiety	thanks BingoBoingo :D
09:57	antephialtic	http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_SECRET_CUBAN_TWITTER_ABRIDGED
09:57	ozbot	News from The Associated Press
09:58	antephialtic	"The U.S. government masterminded the creation of a "Cuban Twitter" - a communications network designed to undermine the communist government in Cuba, built with secret shell companies and financed through foreign banks, The Associated Press has learned."
09:59	moiety	let's celebrate with a manul: this is the face i mde at my landlord today https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/1125248520/manul_profile.png
09:59	asciilifeform	where's the russian webturd for stirring unrest in the u.s.? why the neglect.
10:01	*	BingoBoingo wonders if the back ditch is going to be able to handle all of this rain without spilling it into the house
10:02	BingoBoingo	asciilifeform: I dunno that the russians need one/lack the discipline to conceal their involvement
10:03	nubbins`	ThickAsThieves "narcotics checkpoint" aka "seeing if there are any shady people on the road"... travelling in a car is second only to travelling by air with regard to how few rights you have
10:04	BingoBoingo	At least Max Keiser is going to get his ass kicked http://www.coindesk.com/londons-iconic-o2-venue-host-bitcoin-fight-night/
10:05	truffles	booo
10:05	VanCleef	how do you lose against a crack head tho?
10:05	moiety	BingoBoingo: i think this is worth a trip to london
10:06	nubbins`	mircea_popescu https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=348977.msg6052465#msg6052465
10:06	BingoBoingo	moiety: Maybe from scotland, it's what 15 minutes on a bicycle?
10:07	moiety	approx 8 hours via train, 12 via bus, 3 via plane
10:07	BingoBoingo	But they look so close on the map.
10:07	moiety	lolol probably cus you could fit britain into where you live XD
10:08	moiety	takes 5 hours just to drive tonewcastle form here
10:08	moiety	(making good time)
10:08	nubbins`	what's a plane ride cost, $1?
10:08	nubbins`	:D
10:09	jurov	where's bitcointa-lk firefox plugin?
10:09	moiety	lol not from this city £100+
10:09	moiety	it the only flight you can get i think nubbins` lol (to london)
10:09	nubbins`	heh
10:09	nubbins`	still. they wouldn't let you into the airport for £100 here
10:09	BingoBoingo	jurov: Github
10:10	BingoBoingo	https://bitcointa.lk/pages/browser-extension/
10:10	ozbot	Browser Extension | Bitcointa.lk
10:10	moiety	and its those shady wee 12 seater things
10:11	moiety	this is where i live (photographer friends pic) http://i.imgur.com/4CX29Ql.png
10:11	BingoBoingo	That's not a place... That's a dock or a bridge
10:12	moiety	http://i.imgur.com/R5K8TRh.png
10:12	moiety	we has both :D thats the city
10:13	BingoBoingo	Is that a volcano in the middle?
10:13	moiety	3 photographer friends have started an fb page withtheir pictures of the place, ivebeen stealing them all lol
10:13	moiety	yep
10:13	moiety	dormant
10:14	nubbins`	man. i've been trying to order medium black organic t-shirts for like a fuckin month
10:14	nubbins`	but they're always sold out of MEDIUM
10:14	nubbins`	all 5 warehouses
10:14	nubbins`	hundreds of all other sizes in stock
10:15	jurov	buy L and cook them?
10:16	jurov	and label them "pre-shrunk"
10:16	BingoBoingo	Buy small and call them fat?
10:16	moiety	lolol ^
10:17	nubbins`	heh.
10:17	nubbins`	well last time the customer just got a bunch of large
10:18	BingoBoingo	If you want to be polite about it you can call the smalls "fitted"
10:18	nubbins`	but this order, they're asking for 20 mediums in a 50-shirt order
10:18	nubbins`	i'm going to suggest charcoal grey instead of black
10:19	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.063099 = 0.1262 BTC [+]
10:19	BingoBoingo	Maybe institute a bezzel where your "insurer" won't let you organic, because moths
10:19	nubbins`	heh
10:21	jurov	BingoBoingo: thx, I realized I can click the (Github) on their plugin page
10:23	BingoBoingo	jurov: welcome
10:23	nubbins`	one of the nicest smells is just after you finish grinding coffee beans
10:23	nubbins`	there's this brief whiff of co2-heavy air that comes out
10:24	nubbins`	only lasts a second or two
10:24	BingoBoingo	http://nypost.com/2014/04/03/alcoholic-court-stenographers-gibberish-imperils-guilty-verdicts/
10:24	ozbot	Rogue alcoholic court reporter kept writing ‘I hate my job’ | New York Post
10:26	nubbins`	always wondered why they don't keep voice recordings
10:26	asciilifeform	nubbins`: it's all part of the 'rule of law' bullshit, where they get to decide that certain things never happened
10:27	asciilifeform	or that tone of voice never happened (SOP) etc.
10:27	nubbins`	"Strike those comments from the record!" / "rewind the tape 30 seconds!"
10:27	BingoBoingo	Also text doesn't convey the judge's drunk sluring
10:27	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 7 @ 0.04400042 = 0.308 BTC [-] {4}
10:27	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 7 @ 0.05791428 = 0.4054 BTC [+] {4}
10:27	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 7 @ 0.10144642 = 0.7101 BTC [-] {4}
10:27	asciilifeform	yeah but then, unless an expert monkey walks the recording, it becomes obvious
10:27	asciilifeform	that something was snipped
10:27	asciilifeform	'the memory hole'
10:27	asciilifeform	only really works well with text
10:28	nubbins`	for shame
10:28	nubbins`	stenography shorthand, fascinating
10:38	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 8 @ 0.06060114 = 0.4848 BTC [-]
10:38	mircea_popescu	nubbins` lol pretty epic
10:40	nubbins`	https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=348977.msg6053033#msg6053033
10:40	ozbot	This is the story of your loss.
10:40	nubbins`	straight troll now ;(
10:40	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9550 @ 0.00096 = 9.168 BTC [+]
10:44	antephialtic	"Marcel Popescu"
10:44	mircea_popescu	meanwhile in the best america : http://www.thedailysheeple.com/venezuela-enforces-fingerprint-registry-to-buy-groceries-what-to-do-before-rationing-starts-in-america_042014
10:45	antephialtic	is that your french cousin?
10:45	mircea_popescu	i have no idea ?
10:45	mircea_popescu	you'll have to take me slowly, my forum reports stopped coming in. i have no fucking idea.
10:45	pankkake	wow, venezuela is scary. I fear it's the future of France :(
10:45	nubbins`	"People who go shopping every day hurt us all"
10:45	nubbins`	^ pretty lucid
10:46	pankkake	and I'm a hoarder already
10:46	Apocalyptic	might as well be pankkake
10:46	mircea_popescu	pankkake the not so distant future.
10:46	nubbins`	you're not a hoarder, you're a nervous buyer.
10:46	Apocalyptic	but Sapin is gonna save you all
10:46	nubbins`	anyway, just pointing out the name of the website that article is posted on
10:46	pankkake	Now, think about those “loyalty cards” that every grocery store in North America promotes when you go through the checkout.
10:47	nubbins`	"the daily sheeple" -- almost as cringe-worthy as the Frank & Oak ads
10:47	pankkake	eh, this is actually true, loyalty cards just got financially interesting this year
10:47	mircea_popescu	they had them since the 80s
10:47	mircea_popescu	one of buffett's first businesses was some discount stamp operation.
10:48	nubbins`	"Food Minister Felix Osorio said the process was off to a smooth start. He says the system will sound an alarm when it detects suspicious purchasing patterns, ensuring that less-than-honest customers will be beaten to death by the angry mob that surrounds them"
10:48	pankkake	stores I go to had like 0.03% savings, now it's 5%
10:48	mircea_popescu	bwahahaha
10:48	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23750 @ 0.00095961 = 22.7907 BTC [-] {2}
10:48	Apocalyptic	pankkake, have you seen http://www.lecontrarien.com/scoop-faites-comme-le-nouveau-ministre-de-leconomie-rien-a-la-banque-tout-en-actifs-tangibles-03-04-2014-edito ?
10:49	Apocalyptic	pretty lulzy
10:49	mircea_popescu	venezuela, set to become first country without inequality. "in our stores, nobody buys nuttin'" one county comissioner stated.
10:49	pankkake	lol, no haven't seen
10:49	mircea_popescu	Apocalyptic you french too ?
10:49	Apocalyptic	i have lived in France for a decent time
10:50	nubbins`	"maybe if we give EVERYONE a job toting a rifle around a grocery store..."
10:50	ThickAsThieves	;;estimate
10:50	gribble	Next difficulty estimate | 5987463980.93 based on data since last change | 6793092876.89 based on data for last three days
10:50	ThickAsThieves	burly
10:50	mircea_popescu	ah i c.
10:50	nubbins`	anyway the funny thing about these "sheeple" / "SHTF" websites is that they offer advice that would have been perceived as obvious and sensible a generation or two ago
10:50	moiety	nubbins`: I'm free for work....lol
10:51	nubbins`	"plant a garden" / "eat local food" / "store long-term food supplies"
10:51	nubbins`	etc
10:51	ThickAsThieves	ah the GOOG finally split
10:51	nubbins`	modern dum-dums read this and say "lel what are you worried about"
10:51	mircea_popescu	nubbins` indeed. which is the genius of it, they just copy/paste old almanacs
10:51	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.10144642 BTC [-]
10:51	nubbins`	yup.
10:52	Apocalyptic	pankkake, the declaration has actually been removed from the official website this morning
10:52	nubbins`	it's amazing how quickly a society forgets
10:52	assbot	AMAZING COMPANY!
10:52	mircea_popescu	http://i.imgur.com/WrLl6wn.gif cat ftw.
10:52	Apocalyptic	just noticed the update, it's so good
10:52	rithm	i thought everything bitcoin-related was a scam
10:52	nubbins`	rithm it is
10:53	rithm	ahh k
10:53	nubbins`	bummer, huh?
10:53	thestringpuller	http://moneymorning.com/ext/articles/bitcoin/36-cities-in-20-states-abandon-the-dollar.php?iris=183550&utm_source=taboola&utm_medium=cpm&utm_content=ko1&utm_campaign=bitcoin
10:54	mircea_popescu	ah come on
10:54	mircea_popescu	nubbins` your face's a scam
10:54	nubbins`	thestringpuller: "What is replacing the dollar in these U.S. cities and companies? Watch this fuckin video to find out because we can't be bothered to just tell you"
10:54	nubbins`	mircea_popescu: how else am i supposed to beguile the ladies?
10:54	mircea_popescu	darn.
10:54	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 25 @ 0.04265959 = 1.0665 BTC [-] {6}
10:55	Asa9	nice cat gif
10:55	mircea_popescu	Asa9 now that cat definitely's a scam
10:55	nubbins`	heh.
10:55	nubbins`	cat is running a fractional reserve
10:55	numerisTrade	/j #ripple
10:56	nubbins`	"nonono i totally have a dozen eggs, just come back tomorrow"
10:56	mircea_popescu	well... a fractional chicken serve, anyway.
10:57	nubbins`	"DID YOUR CITY JUST DUMP THE DOLLAR?"
10:57	antephialtic	"Neo&Bee only failed because it wasn't a DAC."
10:57	nubbins`	i feel like i should post a link from an alarmist end-of-times website to fit in
10:57	mircea_popescu	"our city dump is already overfull. we can't dump no dollar"
10:57	nubbins`	i came across one of these a while ago: http://www.zwiggystradetokens.com/1983-st-johns-trade-token-gilbert-dollar-p-1219.html
10:57	mircea_popescu	nubbins` like http://www.wikihow.com/Make-Your-Boyfriend-Think-You're-Cute ?
10:58	mircea_popescu	note the fucking tranny opening cartoon
10:58	nubbins`	heh
10:58	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 25 @ 0.05889992 = 1.4725 BTC [+] {2}
10:59	nubbins`	keep #2, throw out the rest
10:59	nubbins`	altho TBF if you're not naturally confident, faking it ain't gonna work
10:59	mircea_popescu	confident is not cute.
10:59	mircea_popescu	submissive is cute, and that's hard to fake.
10:59	mircea_popescu	"Make sure you take a shower,wash your hair, body, feet, etc"
10:59	nubbins`	oh, shit, we're going for "cute"
11:00	mircea_popescu	sometimes i wonder where in africa is this us of a.
11:00	nubbins`	speaking of cute, my wife bought a pair of these insane leggings:
11:00	nubbins`	http://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0115/5832/products/AT-Finn_JakeLegs-5-WEB_1024x1024.png?v=1384144933
11:00	mircea_popescu	"Don't wear some booty shorts that make your butt hang out, low cut shirts, really tight clothing, or sheer clothing. Hanging all your stuff out isn't cute, it's gross. Be modest."
11:01	mircea_popescu	apparently, some muslim part of africa at any rate.
11:01	nubbins`	"wear floor-length skirts and turtleneck sweaters"
11:01	nubbins`	http://www.theonion.com/articles/suburban-mom-wows-family-with-most-androgynous-loo,34397/
11:01	ozbot	Suburban Mom Wows Family With Most Androgynous Look Yet | The Onion - America's Finest News Source
11:01	mircea_popescu	how to "accidentally" get shot, a guide. #1 : "Randomly poke him in his stomach, arm, or face. "
11:02	mircea_popescu	"Randomly look at him and say you're a flirt. Make sure you sound playfully and sweet. Surely you two will get in a play argument about who is a bigger flirt."
11:02	mircea_popescu	ah these wikis are so great.
11:04	nubbins`	"AUU MAI GAUUEDDDD AIIM SUCH A FLUUUURRRT"
11:04	mircea_popescu	https://twitter.com/aantonooooop/status/451722966749827073
11:04	ozbot	Twitter / aantonooooop: If @Mircea_Popescu is the ...
11:04	mircea_popescu	someone made a "fake andreas".
11:04	mircea_popescu	question that remains is who the fuck is the real andreas.
11:04	mircea_popescu	please stand up.
11:05	pankkake	oh that's where the "Neo&Bee only failed because it wasn't a DAC." is from
11:05	pankkake	haha it's pure genius
11:06	kakobrekla	a digital to analogue converter? i dun get it.
11:07	pankkake	Decentralized Autonomous Corporation
11:07	nubbins`	hm, considering making a bet about whether HIF will pay a dividend on schedule
11:07	kakobrekla	stupid acronym
11:07	mircea_popescu	kakobrekla some reddit derps took mpex contracts, threw out most of the good bits [they didn';t understood] and "branded it"
11:07	mircea_popescu	now they'll be forever remembered
11:07	kakobrekla	orly
11:08	mircea_popescu	as those reddit derps that tried to name something they stole but not actually understood in a futile attempt to be forever remembered that nevertheless sorta worked
11:08	Asa9	omg THE goldstein of bitcoin!
11:08	mircea_popescu	for a year or so
11:08	Asa9	an honor sir!
11:09	kakobrekla	;;rate turbo_ac100 1 did a firefox plugin for bitbet
11:09	gribble	Error: For identification purposes, you must be authenticated to use the rating system.
11:09	kakobrekla	meh
11:09	mircea_popescu	it's not a bad thing to be, tbh. if the choice is that book, the only other option is the chick when young
11:09	mircea_popescu	and i dun wanna be a chick, even should she be young.
11:09	kakobrekla	;;rate turbo_ac100 1 did a firefox plugin for bitbet
11:09	gribble	Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user turbo_ac100 has been recorded.
11:10	mircea_popescu	so why da fuck does nobody go "omg s.nsa must post pics we do not believe this" ?
11:10	asciilifeform	perhaps they were put to sleep by the first set of pics.
11:11	asciilifeform	do people even like to look at printed circuits any more?
11:11	mircea_popescu	sucks to be me
11:11	mircea_popescu	i wish i could be marcel popescu of the forums instead
11:11	pankkake	no the only thing that matters is the PCB color
11:11	asciilifeform	i'm twirling a brand new one in my fingers now. what a beautiful crystallized piece of civilization this bugger is.
11:12	asciilifeform	think of all of the engineering sweat that goes into the tech (not to mention little chinese girls denied toilet breaks)
11:12	nubbins`	i base my tech purchases on the amount of pee being held in by the people making the item in question
11:13	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 20 @ 0.0608355 = 1.2167 BTC [+] {2}
11:13	nubbins`	generally this is unknowable so it's been a while since i bought anything new
11:13	Asa9	bladder augmentation
11:13	mircea_popescu	well here's the pic anyway : http://trilema.com/2014/snsa-march-2014-statement/ (grep for ps)
11:13	mircea_popescu	tho you really don't deserve it.
11:13	asciilifeform	to be fair, i understand why skeptics don't care much for photos now.
11:13	asciilifeform	photo doesn't prove that a widget functions as promised.
11:14	mircea_popescu	asciilifeform if you fail miserably your punishment will be to dwell on the forums for two years.
11:14	mircea_popescu	guaranteed to change the way you look at ... i dunno, a glass of water.
11:14	nubbins`	sexy boards
11:14	nubbins`	i can only imagine what lies beneath the sticker
11:14	asciilifeform	nubbins`: these are i/o panels.
11:14	mircea_popescu	YOU ARE SUPPOSED TO SEE IT S FAKE BY THE PIXELS
11:15	mircea_popescu	omfg i need another internet.
11:16	asciilifeform	i like how the 'customs inspection' time of this crap is... 10 minutes.
11:16	asciilifeform	and yes, the sticker tells the truth, afaik - these came out of the plating baths on 4/1.
11:16	nubbins`	have you guys figured out packaging/documentation/instructions/etc for these little beasts yet?
11:16	antephialtic	you gotta have today's newspaper in the background of the pic
11:17	mircea_popescu	nubbins` not fully.
11:17	asciilifeform	nubbins`: ask a fellow who owns a kalashnikov. did it come with instructions?
11:17	asciilifeform	'this side towards enemy'
11:18	mircea_popescu	i do think he has a point, we'll have to figure it out
11:18	mircea_popescu	even if the figuring ends up being "fu go away"
11:18	asciilifeform	in all seriousness, i intend to print 'cardano - design & operation' in dead tree, for a few lucky folks
11:18	mircea_popescu	with illustrations
11:19	dignork	https://www.ar15.com/content/webPDF/AK47USArmyOperatorManual.pdf
11:19	asciilifeform	and commented sources.
11:19	mircea_popescu	"cardano, the missing manul" ?
11:19	nubbins`	well, y'know kids these days. nice packaging + a couple of "unboxing videos" = more sales
11:19	asciilifeform	on the nato side,
11:19	asciilifeform	http://i655.photobucket.com/albums/uu277/WolfTrack_album/ForIdiots.jpg
11:19	mircea_popescu	asciilifeform you ever seen the landmines ?
11:19	mike_c	<kakobrekla> ;;rate turbo_ac100 1 did a firefox plugin for bitbet << for everybody who asks "how to i get wot ratings". here's one way.
11:19	mircea_popescu	"this end towards enemy"
11:19	asciilifeform	claymore
11:20	asciilifeform	russian version, afaik, lacks the helpful tip.
11:20	nubbins`	lel
11:20	asciilifeform	nm
11:20	asciilifeform	http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/0b/Non_armed_mon50_anti-personnel_clustermine.jpg
11:20	asciilifeform	there it is.
11:20	asciilifeform	'к противнику'
11:21	mircea_popescu	potrivnicii hahaha
11:21	mircea_popescu	"potrivnic" means opponent in romanian
11:21	antephialtic	ascilifeform: http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/AK-47_Operator's_Manual
11:21	antephialtic	whoops, didn't see someone had already posted
11:21	asciilifeform	what do you know. everything has a manual.
11:21	asciilifeform	probably even army spoon.
11:22	dignork	toilet paper?
11:22	mircea_popescu	"do not chew"
11:22	mircea_popescu	nubbins` lol marsellus.
11:22	nubbins`	:D
11:22	mircea_popescu	i shall be mp aka marsellus goldstein
11:22	nubbins`	marsellus popescuus
11:22	andreas_	https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/emFvrWIk
11:22	ozbot	Pastebin: emFvrWIk | IRCCloud
11:23	asciilifeform	find a silica gel packet that came with electronic parts. mine here is printed: 'do not eat.'
11:23	chetty	British Army TP used to say "on her majesties service" on each sheet
11:23	mircea_popescu	asciilifeform i saw some "do not feed to children"
11:23	mircea_popescu	chetty ahahahaah
11:23	nubbins`	"do not insert genitals into blender"
11:23	mircea_popescu	probably for stress relieving
11:23	Asa9	lol
11:25	asciilifeform	re: trolls, pcb photos, and skepticism: i'm waiting for the clever idiots. 'you stuffed winblows in there'
11:26	mircea_popescu	there's sadly no middle class idiocy. people are either very dumb or passibly smart.
11:26	nubbins`	all-black packaging plz
11:26	mircea_popescu	i wonder how the hell this works out in practice, it's out and out antistatistical.
11:26	nubbins`	classy
11:26	asciilifeform	i have this (perhaps false?) memory that the net used to contain clever idiots.
11:26	moiety	http://metro.co.uk/2014/03/31/toilet-paper-that-costs-150-a-plop-erm-i-mean-pop-4684394/
11:26	mircea_popescu	i think it may be more of an artefact of your age asciilifeform
11:26	asciilifeform	maybe they all OD'd on aol stock in the '90s or something
11:26	mircea_popescu	when you were a kid things maybe looked taller.
11:26	asciilifeform	possibly.
11:27	nubbins`	this is why i don't re-watch movies i enjoyed as a kid
11:27	mircea_popescu	^
11:27	mike_c	some hold up though.
11:27	mircea_popescu	i sometimes do, but it's always a debate.
11:27	nubbins`	the scattered one, yes
11:27	asciilifeform	hilariously, virtually all the folks who read my blog think i must be at least 50y.o.
11:27	nubbins`	the dark crystal vs the mask
11:27	mircea_popescu	i rewatched jungle book and i was completely underwhelmed
11:27	mircea_popescu	(as a kid, i could not understand english, so it was all splendid gibledygook to me)
11:28	asciilifeform	russian prison proverb - 'do not return to the place where you had joy'
11:28	mike_c	does the dark crystal hold up? i would be nervous to watch again because i loved it as a kid.
11:28	nubbins`	mike_c yeah
11:28	mircea_popescu	you two may be different people, as a psa.
11:28	nubbins`	skeksis are still fucking badass
11:28	asciilifeform	could not understand english, so it was all splendid gibledygook to me << that was me, watching american animation on bootled vhs, in '90.
11:28	mike_c	heh. awesome
11:28	asciilifeform	*bootleg
11:29	pankkake	BFL sends me a mail with… this image: https://gallery.mailchimp.com/5015fc3486176144c53751877/images/take_my_bitcoins_logo.png
11:29	nubbins`	there's something nice about watching a movie in a language you don't understand, though
11:29	mircea_popescu	asciilifeform pretty much yeah :D
11:29	nubbins`	the first time i saw pan's labyrinth was spanish audio with korean subtitles
11:30	rithm	take_my_bitcoins_logo.png trollmode over9000
11:30	nubbins`	pankkake so does this mean they're offering refunds...?
11:30	mircea_popescu	nubbins` watch spielen wir liebe then.
11:30	mircea_popescu	guaranteed trip.
11:31	rithm	so NEOBEE or is that yesterday's lolercoaster
11:31	mircea_popescu	NewBie shall return! from ashes!
11:31	rithm	"people are threatening me everything is mysterious let's be vague on bitscumtalk"
11:31	asciilifeform	is there a short/sweet sum-up somewhere of wtf 'neobee' was?
11:32	asciilifeform	the way it looks to me, it's replay of 'pirate' ?
11:32	kakobrekla	from some guy: > Upon review of your Bitstamp account we have to notify you that your verification documents do not meet our verification standards.
11:32	mircea_popescu	bitscumtalk lol
11:32	rithm	sonething something ipo physical location cryptocurrency
11:32	mircea_popescu	this reminds me of the weird homoerotic teenager party game
11:32	kakobrekla	after he has been verified.
11:32	nubbins`	asciilifeform the general consensus is that btc flowed from "investors" through tat to neo to cypriot advertisers who kicked back to neo
11:32	nubbins`	or something
11:33	asciilifeform	was 'neobee' ever more than of 'entomological' interest to thinking folks?
11:33	mircea_popescu	kakobrekla verifications reverify every fie.
11:33	rithm	everything is the same oops your money is gone pirate replay
11:33	mircea_popescu	asciilifeform originally it claimed, without substantiation, that it may be. so thinking folks originally reserved judgement
11:33	rithm	it's the exit strategy of the world. no accountability
11:33	rithm	erm except MPEx tho
11:34	rithm	couch couch
11:34	rithm	*cough
11:34	nubbins`	was just gonna say, nsa/mg are the only btc corps i can think of that didn't immediately blow their fuckin wad on salaries
11:34	mircea_popescu	how scandalous this must be.
11:34	nubbins`	imagine, startups that are more interested in making things than drawing a fat paycheque
11:34	rithm	crqazy talk
11:35	mircea_popescu	YOU MUST GROW FAST
11:35	rithm	step one is buy the gulfstream
11:35	rithm	step two is learn to fly
11:35	nubbins`	as owner of a small business, i'm amused by how eager most "companies" in this space are to spend money
11:35	nubbins`	pink eye didn't pay out a dime in wages for our first 2 years
11:35	nubbins`	even now, it's minimum wage for billable hours only
11:36	rithm	step three smile, shake hands, take monies, talk smart <---that's all one step
11:36	asciilifeform	i've spent ~2 btc, so far.
11:36	*	nubbins` genuinely applauds alf
11:36	Apocalyptic	<nubbins`> as owner of a small business, i'm amused by how eager most "companies" in this space are to spend money << amazes me as well
11:36	mircea_popescu	more like 1.6
11:36	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 10915 @ 0.00010999 = 1.2005 BTC [+] {3}
11:36	rithm	step four abscond with monies
11:36	rithm	step five $$$
11:37	nubbins`	"let's open an office with neon signs and track lighting and wood panelling and GLASS EVERYWHERE"
11:37	nubbins`	"we can afford to do this for a couple of weeks"
11:37	asciilifeform	to be fair, i did blow $xxxx of lunch money modernizing my bench. but that's not an s.nsa expense item.
11:37	nubbins`	aha! so remember those shit plastisol inks that were "donated" to us, and were unusable, and the dump wouldn't take?
11:38	nubbins`	convinced the asshole donators to take 'em back
11:38	*	nubbins` cackles
11:39	rithm	how about those shiny new GOOGL class C's
11:40	VanCleef	goes well with a segway
11:40	mircea_popescu	i'd take a two year put on google/bitcoin
11:40	mircea_popescu	the problem is that fucking market has no liquidity whatsoever
11:40	mircea_popescu	perhaps due to the fact everyone knows fiat is fucked.
11:42	rithm	the fungibility of bitcoin decimal units is the only thing that can bail anyone out of trillions in debt
11:43	asciilifeform	VanCleef: segway goes well with... cliffs.
11:43	asciilifeform	;;google segway cliff
11:43	gribble	Segway tycoon Jimi Heselden dies in cliff plunge on one of his own ...: <http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1315518/Segway-tycoon-Jimi-Heselden-dies-cliff-plunge-scooters.html>; Jimi Heselden - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jimi_Heselden>; Segway company owner rides scooter off cliff, dies - NBC News: <http://www.nbcnews.com/id/39377851/ns (1 more message)
11:43	rithm	i'm counting down the days until zombies myself
11:43	rithm	spend a little time each night sharpening my axe
11:44	asciilifeform	rithm: everyone knows you sharpen a sapper's spade for zombies, not axe.
11:45	rithm	your legs are strong, and you're so, so long and you don't come from this town
11:45	mircea_popescu	i wonder if zombies give better head.
11:45	rithm	if you use a machete sure
11:45	mircea_popescu	seeing how crackheads aren't so bad, and that'd seem the next ogical step
11:46	mod6	crackheads have less teef, not sure about zombies.
11:47	mircea_popescu	if zombies have teef they're probably a) not theirs and b) lodged in their backs etc.
11:47	rithm	mircea_popescu seems like the type to bareback a zombie
11:47	rithm	idk
11:47	*	nubbins` blinks
11:47	nubbins`	that's a sapper's spade?
11:47	nubbins`	i have one of those
11:48	nubbins`	it was called a "camping shovel"
11:48	mod6	entrenching tool
11:48	mod6	many uses
11:49	asciilifeform	http://militera.lib.ru/research/suvorov6/01.html
11:51	mike_c	rithm: google is learning from mpex :) more non-voting shares!
11:51	nubbins`	was always curious about the serrated edge
11:52	nubbins`	eventually decided it was for tree roots
11:52	mod6	nice asciilifeform
11:52	mircea_popescu	buffett actually made the observation sometime in the 80s that their nonvoting shares turned out to be more valuable than their voting shares
11:53	mircea_popescu	and starting detaching selling off his voting rights
11:53	mircea_popescu	meanwhile in the land of the desperate, "Facing the success of Anna Tatu's Valentine banners, we have redesigned them & removed the reference to "Valentine". Now you can use them all year long!"
11:53	nubbins`	TATU
11:54	nubbins`	sorry, t.A.T.u.
11:54	VanCleef	whatever happened to those chicks?
11:54	nubbins`	not sure, very popular in korea when i was there
11:54	nubbins`	entire discog available in every karaoke room
11:54	VanCleef	sickness
11:54	asciilifeform	nubbins`: incl. 'yugoslavia' ?
11:54	mircea_popescu	nubbins` they came of age and so were no longer interesting to pedos ?
11:55	mircea_popescu	http://redblow.com/stuff/anna-tatu-naked-in-grocery-shop/anna-tatu-11.jpg < that's her anyway.
11:55	nubbins`	asciilifeform that's the one song name i remember
11:55	mircea_popescu	they had a "things she said" one, i dun recall the yugoslavia bit
11:56	mircea_popescu	not being around at the time.
11:56	nubbins`	booze in the grocery store
11:56	nubbins`	things you don't see here
11:56	mircea_popescu	nubbins` europe is actually free.
11:56	asciilifeform	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7tdf3gEHZgo
11:56	ozbot	t.A.T.u. - Yugoslavia - YouTube
11:56	asciilifeform	that one.
11:56	asciilifeform	(english subs)
11:56	nubbins`	mircea_popescu more common here is to have a full liquor store attached to the grocery store
11:57	mircea_popescu	"Kochanski’s botched transcripts include the 2010 mortgage-fraud trial of Aaron Hand, who was also convicted of trying to hire a hit man to take out a witness against him."
11:57	mircea_popescu	someone should conduct a study of "how many times did the prosecution claim hitman to try and get a tough case past the jury"
11:57	asciilifeform	having been on a u.s. jury, i'll say that it ought to be enough to cure anyone of 'rule of law' delusion.
11:58	nubbins`	https://www.google.ca/maps/place/Sobeys/@47.567024,-52.716654,2a,90y,90t/data=!3m5!1e2!3m3!1shttps:%2F%2Flh3.googleusercontent.com%2F-ybKcOwZQd1I%2FUlP3czrACGI%2FAAAAAAAAAio%2Fn56IgQQyHPQ%2Fs203%2F2013-10-08!2e4!3e12!4m2!3m1!1s0x0:0xdc3cfa9c288b7d43!6m1!1e1
11:58	ozbot	Google Maps
11:58	nubbins`	...now that's a link
11:58	mircea_popescu	o ? how did it go ?
11:58	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] [PAID] 2.50703232 BTC to 4`992 shares, 50221 satoshi per share
11:59	asciilifeform	it was a petty theft case, long ago. some bugger was evicted from an apartment, and his belongings were carried out by a set of hired hands. one of whom stole a garbage bag full of pron. also containing a (usg-issued) laptop.
11:59	jurov	nubbins` here you can see small grocery attached to liquor store instead xD
11:59	asciilifeform	the latter had the mandatory bios rootkit, and 'called home'
11:59	nubbins`	:D
11:59	asciilifeform	but none of this is interesting. the educational bit is how the trials actually go
11:59	nubbins`	generally you only see booze and groceries in the same store when you visit rural areas
11:59	turbo_ac100	mike_c: well for the first one it seems reasonable to me. Maybe because I don't know too much about WOT :P
12:00	asciilifeform	e.g. both sides will stipulate something (said something being obvious crock of shit) to be 'fact' and go from there
12:00	nubbins`	altho this varies by province. quebec famously sells wine in gas stations
12:00	mircea_popescu	asciilifeform that's adversarial system with you.
12:00	nubbins`	here in newfoundland, every corner store and gas station sells beer, but no wine/booze
12:00	asciilifeform	ended in a mistrial, and the next set of jury chumpers naturally won't be told anything, everyone pretends the 1st go never happened, etc.
12:00	mircea_popescu	not necessarily anything wrong with it, is there ?
12:01	nubbins`	i was an alternate juror once, never ended up being needed
12:01	asciilifeform	adversarial system... not necessarily anything wrong with it << i'd rather they skipped straight to trial by chainsaw combat
12:01	asciilifeform	same result, more honest, cheaper.
12:01	mircea_popescu	no but bear with me a minute.
12:01	mircea_popescu	each side stipulates a crock of shit as fact and they go from there.
12:01	nubbins`	selection process was interesting. domestic assault trial, defendant turned away every female juror until his limit was up
12:02	asciilifeform	ah yes!
12:02	mircea_popescu	this seems intellecrtually quite respectable no ?
12:02	asciilifeform	voir dire
12:02	asciilifeform	it's a circus all its own.
12:02	mircea_popescu	i may be the only person here that actually appreciates common law.
12:02	asciilifeform	they systematically banish anyone with the slightest inkling of a clue from the room
12:02	nubbins`	^
12:02	asciilifeform	i've been to four of these
12:02	asciilifeform	one time got picked. they ran out of 'strikes'
12:03	nubbins`	it was fun seeing people trying to get out of jury duty
12:03	nubbins`	"no b'y i gotta work"
12:04	nubbins`	st. john's being a city of less than 200k people, two of the jurors were excused because their sons played soccer with the prosecutor's son
12:04	Apocalyptic	lol
12:05	mircea_popescu	"my ex used to date his brother's ex your honor"
12:05	asciilifeform	trials were probably more interesting in the days of 'peine forte et dure' etc.
12:05	asciilifeform	i'ma ask for me lisp machine to be brought to my peine forte et dure.
12:05	asciilifeform	60kg.
12:06	mircea_popescu	wywialm best way to figure out wtf atc is is to grep the logs for it.
12:07	mike_c	;;later tell turbo_ac100 i think it is quite reasonable. i was presenting it as a good example of how to get rated.
12:07	gribble	The operation succeeded.
12:08	mircea_popescu	;;ticker
12:08	gribble	Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 447.31, Best ask: 447.34, Bid-ask spread: 0.03000, Last trade: 447.31, 24 hour volume: 30559.63876518, 24 hour low: 416.11, 24 hour high: 457.36, 24 hour vwap: 439.818273209
12:08	mircea_popescu	;;calc 314.59764223*439.818273209
12:08	gribble	138365.791761
12:08	mircea_popescu	;;google brk-a
12:08	gribble	BRK-A: Summary for Berkshire Hathaway Inc. Common - Yahoo ...: <http://finance.yahoo.com/q?s=BRK-A>; Berkshire Hathaway Inc.: NYSE:BRK.A quotes & news - Google ...: <http://www.google.com/finance?cid=4376>; BRKA - Berkshire Hathaway Inc Stock quote - CNNMoney.com: <http://money.cnn.com/quote/quote.html?symb=BRKA>
12:08	mircea_popescu	;;calc 186199.00 / 138365.791761
12:08	gribble	1.34570111319
12:09	mircea_popescu	tsk tsk.
12:09	mircea_popescu	ahead by 35%
12:09	asciilifeform	re: voir dire: it often gets ridiculous. 'who here was a policeman? lawyer? once knew a policeman? once saw a policeman?'
12:09	mircea_popescu	asciilifeform but WHY do you say it's ridiculous ?
12:09	bounce	what's wrong with institutions that $person dies, $institution dies is preferrable?
12:10	asciilifeform	bounce: nothing is wrong with this. because new caesars can be born.
12:10	asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: you should see, with your own eyes, who is left at the end of this procedure.
12:11	asciilifeform	i did see - by sheer accident.
12:11	bounce	to every ceasar there's a bunch of fscktards and even more mediocre guys holding down the place
12:11	mircea_popescu	i have participated
12:11	bounce	I don't really see a difference here, except much less continuity
12:11	mircea_popescu	on the strategist end of things, ie, picking who to throw off.
12:12	asciilifeform	that must've been puddles of fun.
12:12	mircea_popescu	sure.
12:12	asciilifeform	i assume everyone has seen the 'peoples of walmart' crap. well, that's who gets to sit on the jury.
12:13	bounce	wasn't it "a few good men" where the hot shot lawyer guy urged to keep the nigger because of his nicely shined shoes?
12:15	bounce	though I may well be misremembering. what a jury needs at a military trial is a bit of fridge logic.
12:15	Mats_cd03	"Adversarial system"? Who are you, Scalia?
12:15	asciilifeform	fridge logic ?
12:15	asciilifeform	and since when does a military trial use a jury ?
12:16	bounce	;;google fridge logic tvtropes
12:16	gribble	Main/Fridge Logic - Television Tropes & Idioms - TV Tropes: <http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/FridgeLogic>; Main/Fridge Brilliance - Television Tropes & Idioms - TV Tropes: <http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/FridgeBrilliance>; Main/Fridge Horror - Television Tropes & Idioms - TV Tropes: <http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/FridgeHorror>
12:16	mircea_popescu	asciilifeform but this doesn;t work for your arghument, it works against it.
12:16	mircea_popescu	the people of wallmart thing
12:16	Mats_cd03	courts martial
12:16	mircea_popescu	Mats_cd03 apparently.
12:16	asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: ?
12:17	mircea_popescu	asciilifeform the fact that the jury is selected for stupidity does not on the face support the theory that the trial is ineffectual.
12:17	Mats_cd03	e.g. a flag officer under courts martial gets a jury of his peers (other flag officers - generals)
12:17	mircea_popescu	Mats_cd03 apparently i'm marsellus goldstern scalia.
12:18	mircea_popescu	asciilifeform you did the exact same thing when you made cardano designs : selected the parts for stupidity.
12:18	mircea_popescu	well... goose, gander.
12:18	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 63808 @ 0.00096078 = 61.3055 BTC [+] {3}
12:18	Mats_cd03	dongsellus dongstern donglia
12:18	asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: it is certainly effective for... a purpose. just not the stated one - 'findings of fact'
12:18	mircea_popescu	why not ?
12:18	mircea_popescu	and it's "findings of fact AS THEY PERTAIN TO THE CASE"
12:18	mircea_popescu	it's not an apollo expedition.
12:19	Mats_cd03	its my greatest disappointment in life
12:19	bounce	who'd find facts in an apollo capsule anyway?
12:19	asciilifeform	well over here they also have an interesting legal concept, 'plea bargain'
12:19	Mats_cd03	that ill never be able to traverse the stars
12:19	asciilifeform	where 99% of the accused plead guilty to some largely-fictional charge
12:20	mircea_popescu	plea bargains and juries are not really much related thi
12:20	asciilifeform	but they go great together.
12:20	mircea_popescu	im not sure i could articulate your thesis atm.
12:20	Mats_cd03	asciilifeform: sad stacks, not enough people have the balls to go to trial and prefer to plea
12:20	Mats_cd03	you know, game theory, etc etc
12:20	bounce	nah. they're more of an extortionate fix to a "justice" system with too many overly vague overly broad criminal laws
12:21	Mats_cd03	the average prosecutor can only manage n trials at any time in a jurisdiction
12:21	Mats_cd03	the trick is being n+1 when the time comes ;)
12:21	mircea_popescu	bounce pretty much.
12:21	pankkake	http://www.reddit.com/r/neobee/comments/223p2y/unraveling_the_neo_bee_wave_of_resignations_by/
12:21	ozbot	Unraveling the Neo & Bee - Wave of resignations by employees and Mr. Neo disappeared : neobee
12:22	mircea_popescu	pankkake i hope you're aware you're engaging in the crime of COMMERCIAL BUSINESS BLACKMAIL
12:22	bounce	ie they're a way to wriggle past bill shock (where the bill is the sentence as well as the rest of the cost) while at the same time allowing the "justice" department to show they're worth their money by "producing" convicts
12:22	mircea_popescu	convictions.
12:22	pankkake	I'm surprised no one ever offered me money to shut up
12:22	mircea_popescu	if they could produce convictions without convicts they'd be happiest.
12:23	pankkake	threats, but not coins
12:23	mircea_popescu	pankkake they were trying to buy the girl over tho...
12:23	Apocalyptic	threats are cheap, like air
12:23	mircea_popescu	see, if only you had tits..
12:23	Apocalyptic	coins on the other hand...
12:23	bounce	aaron schwarz is a good illustration where the DoJ deliberately went for it only it backfired. though apparently hasn't backfired enough.
12:23	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 19 @ 0.00557205 = 0.1059 BTC [-] {4}
12:23	Mats_cd03	http://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/opinion/2014/04/s-korea-runaway-drone-n-korea-20144211321213993.html
12:23	ozbot	S Korea and the runaway drone - Opinion - Al Jazeera English
12:23	pankkake	if I was a girl, I would have been a prostitute
12:23	mircea_popescu	then you'd have been a "girl you'll be a woman soon".
12:23	bounce	hmm... you're saying they're competing with the (commercially run) jail system? :-)
12:24	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 24 @ 0.04178331 = 1.0028 BTC [-] {11}
12:26	bounce	no convicts -> empty jails. doesn't appear to be a goal of the system. though it could be, I'll give you that. though not in a country where the culture prescribes conflicts must be about people. a conviction is an outcome of such a conflict.
12:26	mircea_popescu	bounce the jail filling is not a goal of the justice dept.
12:26	mircea_popescu	other people make that buck.
12:27	bounce	who drives it, though? seeing the large amounts of poor held pretty much indefinitely in pre-trial holding cells
12:29	mircea_popescu	congress. its the original backbone of pork
12:29	mircea_popescu	running a jail was the way to put yourself on the map, see ?
12:29	mircea_popescu	all through the 1800s
12:30	benkay	o/
12:31	bounce	geh. talk about unintended consequences.
12:32	mircea_popescu	that entire storyline about how easy the mobsters had it in jail ? well , the jails were run by congressmen which they had elected, and were going to reelect.
12:32	mircea_popescu	meanwhile the flow of campaign funds has mostly moved, but not entirely. and history is what shapes mechanisms.
12:32	bounce	am I correct in presuming the no institutions thing is about ensuring someone takes responsibility?
12:32	mircea_popescu	"why is the road here" "because this is the path cows took coming home"
12:32	asciilifeform	in wash. d.c., there is a private museaum, 'crime & punishment', with famous electric chairs, etc. they also have a reconstructed example of such a jail cell
12:32	mircea_popescu	bounce to a large degree.
12:32	bounce	so lingering connections and all that
12:32	asciilifeform	looks quite like a '40s hotel room
12:33	asciilifeform	complete with escritoire, if i recall.
12:34	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26090 @ 0.00096355 = 25.139 BTC [+]
12:35	bounce	there's prisons much more elaborate than that in latin america. you get to buy-in (and buy-out when you leave) for considerable sums of money, though
12:35	Mats_cd03	it gets better
12:35	mircea_popescu	anyway, the "suspended sentence" is the proof of the separation between convict and conviction, and the respective beneficiary institutions.
12:35	mircea_popescu	the cleavage is pretty deep
12:35	mircea_popescu	meanwhile the suspended sentence yielded its own excrescence, the social worker
12:36	Mats_cd03	in some places in asia, notably china, its popular for the moneyed to pay others to sit their duration of a prison sentence
12:36	mircea_popescu	which had a weak footing but meanwhile anchored itself in family care through the mediation of pseudo-healthcare (ie psychology)
12:36	asciilifeform	the town where the courthouse stood (see my recollections about juries previously) was a real laugh:
12:36	Mats_cd03	id rob banks for funsies if that was possible
12:36	asciilifeform	every other door was a 'bondsman' (lending bail money) or a contractor which sold gps collars
12:36	asciilifeform	for 'suspended sentences'
12:37	mircea_popescu	all these being counted as part of that "thriving, market economy which made the us great"
12:37	mircea_popescu	except they're uneconomical and antimarket.
12:37	asciilifeform	Mats_cd03: among the chechens, etc. the clan picks a 'youngest son' or whatever to do the time in his brother's place
12:37	asciilifeform	or, more generally, some designated luser with no better purpose at the moment.
12:38	mircea_popescu	the us has this institution too
12:38	asciilifeform	he'll dutifully confess and move in.
12:38	mircea_popescu	"designated driver"
12:38	mircea_popescu	the schmuck that doesn't drink or have fun so his friends can have sex they don't then have to account for.
12:38	mircea_popescu	or moreover... her.
12:39	asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: afaik 'designated drivers' only exist in ministry of health propaganda - the usual reality is that everyone is thoroughly picked, including the drivers
12:39	asciilifeform	*pickled
12:39	mircea_popescu	well i could argue the same re chechen practice :)
12:40	asciilifeform	said propaganda is riotously funny, when you drive by pub after pub with enormous parking lots
12:45	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2500 @ 0.00096095 = 2.4024 BTC [-] {2}
12:53	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [COG] 76 @ 0.05041577 = 3.8316 BTC [+] {8}
12:57	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [COG] 30 @ 0.06 = 1.8 BTC [+]
12:59	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [COG] 11 @ 0.08799999 = 0.968 BTC [+] {3}
13:00	Mats_cd03	riotously funny in the sense that car accidents are amusing
13:03	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [COG] 13 @ 0.05415384 = 0.704 BTC [-] {3}
13:03	surfcapmgmt	Heavy volume on COG
13:04	surfcapmgmt	just resumed trading about an hour ago
13:05	kakobrekla	!t h cog
13:05	assbot	[HAVELOCK:COG] 1D: 0.04899999 / 0.05613435 / 0.08800000 (131 shares, 7.35359994 BTC), 7D: 0.04899999 / 0.05613435 / 0.08800000 (131 shares, 7.35359994 BTC), 30D: 0.00200000 / 0.03278706 / 0.08800000 (1020 shares, 33.44280011 BTC)
13:05	kakobrekla	a whole 7 btc.
13:05	kakobrekla	heavy shit.
13:05	surfcapmgmt	mmm hmmm
13:06	Apocalyptic	haha kako
13:06	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 12794 @ 0.00012477 = 1.5963 BTC [+] {18}
13:07	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 7371 @ 0.00014965 = 1.1031 BTC [+] {16}
13:07	surfcapmgmt	!t h AM1
13:07	assbot	[HAVELOCK:AM1] 1D: 0.55013000 / 0.58130688 / 0.60809900 (80 shares, 46.50455064 BTC), 7D: 0.52200000 / 0.60393113 / 0.67470380 (734 shares, 443.28544940 BTC), 30D: 0.52200000 / 0.6116147 / 0.69510000 (3166 shares, 1936.37213073 BTC)
13:08	kakobrekla	;;gettrust surfcapmgmt
13:08	gribble	WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user kakobrekla to user surfcapmgmt: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=kakobrekla&dest=surfcapmgmt | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=surfcapmgmt | Rated since: never
13:09	pankkake	I believe it's "idiot deluxe"
13:09	bounce	http://www.independent.co.uk/news/business/news/mobile-payments-service-to-launch-this-month-9232906.html -- contrast with that other mobile payment thing, where the registration works the other way around
13:09	ozbot	Mobile payments service to launch this month - Business News - Business - The Independent
13:10	kakobrekla	yeah pankkake it seems so
13:11	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 100101 @ 0.0001681 = 16.827 BTC [+] {48}
13:12	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 31869 @ 0.00017159 = 5.4684 BTC [+] {7}
13:13	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.0607 = 0.3035 BTC [-]
13:16	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 18118 @ 0.00019999 = 3.6234 BTC [+]
13:18	pLambert	mircea_popescu: I just tried to post a comment on trilema, it says it only accepts comments from humans, what did I do wrong?
13:20	antephialtic	tor exit node?
13:22	mircea_popescu	either an old cached page or too quick post ?
13:24	mircea_popescu	tor dun do anything.
13:26	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [COG] 21 @ 0.039 = 0.819 BTC [+]
13:27	dignork	pLambert, there is a capcha on a page, did you solve it?
13:27	surfcapmgmt	!t h COG
13:27	assbot	[HAVELOCK:COG] 1D: 0.01700007 / 0.05333935 / 0.08800000 (155 shares, 8.26760000 BTC), 7D: 0.01700007 / 0.05333935 / 0.08800000 (155 shares, 8.26760000 BTC), 30D: 0.00200000 / 0.03290881 / 0.08800000 (1044 shares, 34.35680017 BTC)
13:27	pLambert	hmm, didn't see a captcha
13:28	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [COG] 14 @ 0.02534213 = 0.3548 BTC [-] {8}
13:29	benkay	surfcapmgmt: welcome to -assets.
13:29	pLambert	I don't see any captcha, oh well, I guess you will never see my deeply insightful comment :(
13:30	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 15 @ 0.0428 = 0.642 BTC [-]
13:31	jurov	pLambert: just reload and retry
13:31	pLambert	basically, I was saying I look forward to a Hillary/M Obama vs Rand Paul/Justin Amash debate. in many more words
13:31	pLambert	reloaded, still don't see any captcha
13:32	jurov	i don't remember any captcha, just retrying usually works
13:34	the20year2	amash would be a great choice
13:36	antephialtic	hahaha. if you think rand paul (if he ever gets nominated, which is unlikely but not entirely impossible) would nominate amash you are deluded.
13:37	benkay	clinton + warren?
13:37	antephialtic	nah, clinton won't want someone who will make her look conservative in comparison
13:37	pLambert	amash will just barely be old enough, born in 1980
13:37	mircea_popescu	pLambert there's no captcha tho
13:38	pLambert	then why does it think i am inhuman?
13:38	mircea_popescu	just try again, but make sure you use a fresh copy of a page, and count to 5 before submitting
13:38	pLambert	meh, I am over it now
13:38	antephialtic	rand paul's VP would be a safe establishment pick. Something like paul ryan. Maybe even John McCain
13:38	mircea_popescu	;;google trilema antispam
13:38	gribble	Noiembrie 2010 pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.: <http://trilema.com/2010/11>; Orice cuplu functional… pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.: <http://trilema.com/orice-cuplu-functional>; Mai 2009 pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.: <http://trilema.com/2009/05>
13:38	mircea_popescu	meh
13:38	pLambert	blech, I hate McCain
13:39	antephialtic	hillary would pick a white dude. someone from the midwest or south.
13:39	mircea_popescu	http://trilema.com/2013/effectual-spam-filtering-for-wordpress/
13:39	ozbot	Effectual spam filtering for WordPress pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
13:39	pLambert	I don't think Paul is going to pick a VP who has a record of calling him a "wacko bird"
13:39	mircea_popescu	there, it's explained how it works..
13:40	antephialtic	well I don't think paul will get nominated so it doesn't matter. I like paul as much as the next guy, but the big money republicans don't like him even if the tea party libertarian set does
13:40	mircea_popescu	and the republican vote is going to be split no matter what. the old reps have no actual incentive to submit to the tea party, even if the party ends with them. the tea party has zero incentive to "work through the system"
13:40	mircea_popescu	so anyone the democrats propose gets it in 2016.
13:40	antephialtic	but: democrats are looking like they might get crushed in the midterms
13:41	mircea_popescu	congress and presidency, different things.
13:41	mircea_popescu	theres going to be a landslide dem president with a 2/3+ teaparty majority house and senate
13:41	mircea_popescu	then congress gets written out of politics and merriment ensues.
13:42	antephialtic	yes, but important for future of US. more divided government = more unproductive petty politics, more kicking the big problems down the road, less stability, US bonds get downgraded again, yadda yadda yadda
13:42	mircea_popescu	nah, that's how it worked till now.
13:42	mircea_popescu	things are going to come to a head tho, much like venezuela's internal debate.
13:43	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 4 @ 0.042805 = 0.1712 BTC [+] {2}
13:43	mircea_popescu	pLambert see that time it worked.
13:44	mircea_popescu	you probably wrote your thing in a notepad then pasted it in and submitted. that's 90% of what makes legitimate folks get called inhuman.
13:44	pLambert	hmm, not sure why it didn't work before, I had follwed a link out of the -asset logs, would that affect anything?
13:44	pLambert	no notepad, I just typed into the comment field
13:45	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.05939442 = 0.1188 BTC [+]
13:45	pLambert	The other thing I wanted to mention is when you villify old women, that should be directed at selfish haggy types and not selfless grandmotherly types.
13:47	pLambert	but you can probably find a nice dichotomy in any group using selfish/selfless criterion
13:48	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.05939442 = 0.1188 BTC [+]
13:48	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 2 @ 0.10144642 = 0.2029 BTC [-]
13:49	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.0428 = 0.214 BTC [-]
13:50	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [COG] 26 @ 0.00602307 = 0.1566 BTC [-] {2}
13:50	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 3 @ 0.0428 = 0.1284 BTC [-]
14:00	mircea_popescu	pLambert odd. nah link shouldn't have affected nuttin
14:01	mircea_popescu	btw kakobrekla would you consider changing log link structure from http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-04-2014 to http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/02-Apr-2014/ or something and adding a xml sitemap for google so that it index it all anbd you dont have to implement asearch button ?
14:01	mircea_popescu	pLambert not that many grandmothers in politics which was the general context
14:02	mircea_popescu	not sure the dichotomy is altruism either.
14:02	pLambert	right, your point is correct, people who end up as nice grandmothers spend to much time raising children to rise in politics
14:03	mircea_popescu	macbeth, the prototype, is not discussable in those terms for instance
14:03	pLambert	macbeth is the prototype of what?
14:03	mircea_popescu	the haggly political woman.
14:04	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.58999002 BTC [-]
14:04	pLambert	I don't follow?
14:04	mircea_popescu	you seen the play ?
14:07	mike_c	google indexes the logs. i search them all the time
14:07	pLambert	yes, I saw MacBeth, but it was a long time ago
14:08	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [COG] 59 @ 0.01118777 = 0.6601 BTC [+] {4}
14:08	mircea_popescu	so take the lady out sometime, it's still a great play.
14:08	mike_c	;;google site:log.bitcoin-assets.com neobee
14:08	gribble	NEXT: 24-02-2014 - #bitcoin-assets log: <http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-02-2014>; NEXT: 21-09-2013 - #bitcoin-assets log: <http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-09-2013>; NEXT: 25-02-2014 - #bitcoin-assets log: <http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-02-2014>
14:08	mircea_popescu	fuck me google much progressed. i stand corrected.
14:08	pankkake	sitemaps allow for perfect and fast indexing though
14:09	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [COG] 18 @ 0.00773887 = 0.1393 BTC [-] {3}
14:09	pLambert	Just went out last weekend to see Les Mis, all local talent, was much better singing than the hollywood movie last year.
14:09	pankkake	http://i.imgur.com/h5xi9KL.jpg too bad I can't change my avatar
14:09	pLambert	anyway, how does MacBeth relate to anything?
14:10	mircea_popescu	well how am i going to explain that if you don't know the play ;/
14:10	asciilifeform	pankkake: is that... turdmeister?
14:10	pankkake	yeah
14:10	pLambert	I remember the general plot
14:10	mircea_popescu	so tell it to me
14:11	truffles	lol
14:11	truffles	just post him a google link dood
14:11	bounce	what, you're modeling your NWO on shakespeare plays without knowing the plot?
14:12	pLambert	iirc, macbeth tries to take over scotland, everybody dies in the end
14:12	mircea_popescu	yea, i'm hoping assets makes the cliffnotes for me o.O
14:12	mircea_popescu	pLambert well that's not much.
14:12	mircea_popescu	"Stop up th’ access and passage to remorse,"
14:12	mircea_popescu	that stuff.
14:12	truffles	he dies thats plenty
14:12	Urushiol	any word on HIF dividends / earnings yet? If I understand correctly, it should be more than 3 months' worth.
14:13	pLambert	wikipedia "Consumed by ambition and spurred to action by his wife, Macbeth murders King Duncan and takes the throne for himself. He is then wracked with guilt and paranoia, and he soon becomes a tyrannical ruler as he is forced to commit more and more murders to protect himself from enmity and suspicion. The bloodbath and consequent civil war swiftly take Macbeth and Lady Macbeth into the realms of arrogance, madness, and dea
14:13	mircea_popescu	Urushiol we're awaiting it with bated breath
14:13	*	truffles claps
14:13	mike_c	asciilifeform: i believe i've heard you talk about this before, but i can't remember the specifics. If I generated and published say 20,000 adddresses out of a single wallet do you think I am leaking anything that would significantly hurt the security of that wallet?
14:13	mircea_popescu	pLambert not the guy. his wife.
14:13	pLambert	basically what I said
14:13	benkay`	mike_c: what is a wallet?
14:13	mircea_popescu	lady macbeth dood, we're discussing women in politics here.
14:13	asciilifeform	mike_c: if you do this, you will live or die by your RNG.
14:13	pLambert	his wife starts the murders, pushes him into action
14:13	mike_c	sorry, a specific set of keys
14:14	asciilifeform	mike_c: see the android btc wallet incident.
14:14	pLambert	so, she is trying to take scotland for her family, therefore selfish and fit for politics rather than grandmothering, so my point stands
14:14	mike_c	i remember that, i'll dig it up. thanks.
14:14	asciilifeform	incidentally
14:14	asciilifeform	all public-key crypto lives and dies by rng
14:14	asciilifeform	not only, as commonly supposed, for key gen
14:14	pLambert	HIF guy said report should be out by 10th
14:14	mircea_popescu	pLambert or conversely, she is trying to promote her hubby, so selfless and your point fails.
14:14	asciilifeform	but for signature nonces
14:14	mircea_popescu	kinda what happens when you try to measure things by orthogonal measures.
14:15	mircea_popescu	"how thick is a width of a meter ?" "dude dunno, as thick as the wind blowing may make it seem. otherwise, it's wide"
14:15	Urushiol	mircea_popescu: what I find particularly surprising is that it wasn't calculated by the community already, given volume is available through the API
14:15	mircea_popescu	Urushiol "community" is made out of law specialists not math specialists :D
14:15	asciilifeform	and not only signature, but small bits of encryption as well. anyone who doesn't grasp this mustn't wait, but open a textbook and work out what happens if you rsa a small bit of whatever, without padding.
14:15	mircea_popescu	;;google are you the brain specialist
14:15	gribble	Monty Python - Gumby Brain Specialist - YouTube: <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M68GeL8PafE>; Gumby brain specialist - YouTube: <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UrjHKMJTh1w>; Monty Python - Brain Surgery - YouTube: <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HUMuZY5Bt34>
14:16	mike_c	bitbet has certainly published a lot of their addresses by now. hopefully they have good RNG!
14:16	pLambert	asciilifeform: I don't think you can just take volume, who knows how much they will take out for expenses?
14:16	asciilifeform	volume?
14:16	asciilifeform	i think i missed something
14:16	Urushiol	mircea_popescu: it would require coding specialists mostly, which we have already. just get volume for each fund in that time frame and apply HIF's percentage returns. I haven't finished my Python quite yet, otherwise I would attack it.
14:18	Urushiol	pLambert: it will give you a max though
14:18	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13533 @ 0.00096365 = 13.0411 BTC [+] {2}
14:18	Urushiol	and take their projected expenses as assumptions
14:18	pLambert	yes, right. so what is that amount?
14:19	Urushiol	I believe it's in the prospectus, no? It was months ago that I read it last so I can't recall for certain.
14:19	pLambert	oops, should have responded to Urushol, not asciilifeform
14:19	Urushiol	that's what I thought you meant.
14:20	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 4 @ 0.042899 = 0.1716 BTC [+]
14:20	mircea_popescu	i think two unrelated convos became cojoined at the hip here
14:21	pLambert	isn't that how irc is supposed to work?
14:21	Urushiol	purple, I think
14:21	Urushiol	:)
14:21	truffles	ofc not, chat rooms arent meant to have conversations..
14:22	mircea_popescu	irc i dunno, but science often does.
14:26	asciilifeform	wtf is a 'coding specialist' - like a programmer, but moar fashion?
14:27	asciilifeform	(perhaps i ought to know better than to ask such questions...)
14:27	truffles	sounds like some1 that knows all about "coding"
14:27	asciilifeform	feels a little like the '90s american fashion of calling janitor 'building engineer'
14:28	truffles	no wai
14:28	truffles	harsh comparison sir
14:28	mircea_popescu	was a hooker called a "slime technician" ?
14:28	asciilifeform	i've actually seen people describe employing 'programmers' and 'coders' both
14:29	asciilifeform	the latter usually referring to a 'human compiler'
14:29	truffles	haha
14:29	truffles	machines eh
14:29	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 42 @ 0.0075 = 0.315 BTC [+]
14:29	asciilifeform	a human compiler is a kind of wretch, usually overseas, who is nominally paid to turn 'human' language spec into a program.
14:30	asciilifeform	the results, for those who have not witnessed this personally, are usually exactly what one would expect.
14:30	mircea_popescu	sounds a lot like elance or w/e
14:31	asciilifeform	int add1(int x) {if (x == 1) 2 ....
14:32	asciilifeform	this is one of those things where i can't help but think that anyone who pays for it - deserves what he gets
14:36	truffles	well it seems like lotta nerds with IT degrees appear robotic so
14:36	truffles	obv employers get confused :D
14:44	kakobrekla	https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=555854.0
14:44	ozbot	Bitstamp going paranoid about ID verification
14:44	kakobrekla	lel, moar of this.
14:45	asciilifeform	'submit a high resolution image of yourself holding your ID' << anyone else reminded of '419 baiting' ?
14:45	truffles	bitcoin is like banking now os?
14:45	asciilifeform	or, for that matter, arsecoin
14:46	mircea_popescu	yeah lol
14:49	Namworld	I know about Bitstamp verifications... it's lulzy. They ask for more dox than the government itself or banks.
14:49	Namworld	Soon they'll ask for blood samples.
14:51	mircea_popescu	there's an excellent point about fraud management made by an actual competent person long ago
14:51	mircea_popescu	http://trilema.com/2012/adnotated-words-of-wisdom-on-the-topic-of-online-fraud/
14:51	ozbot	Adnotated words of wisdom on the topic of online fraud pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
14:51	mircea_popescu	obviously clueless kids left to reproduce irl the emperor of flies circus going on in their head wouldn't know about it.
14:52	Namworld	Too much fraud management = zero actual customers, all fraudsters with fake docs?
14:52	mircea_popescu	uyp
14:52	bounce	"congress gets written out of politics" how?
14:52	mircea_popescu	Legitimate Customers
14:52	mircea_popescu	You can’t stop all fraud. Some will get through your defenses. Currency exchange profit margins are too narrow to absorb much of it, so you need a healthy legitimate customer base across whom you can distribute those costs. As chargebacks come in, it’s tempting to focus entirely on eliminating fraud. Unfortunately, that focus inconveniences legitimate customers so much that they go elsewhere.
14:52	mircea_popescu	bounce presidential order.
14:53	bounce	"coding specialist" is someone who knows about "line coding" and such. more or less what the w3c tried (and inevitably failed) to conveniently can with xml
14:53	bounce	you know, discering a signal, framing, all that jazz
14:57	bounce	presidential order kicking out congress? that's going to be some riot.
14:58	mircea_popescu	hardly.
14:58	mircea_popescu	congress lost most legislative power already, gradually.
14:58	benkay```	most likely it'll start small with some executive order overriding some congressional mandate.
14:58	benkay```	wow how'd i get to three tacks
14:58	benkay```	internet is wacky today
14:58	mircea_popescu	recently they tried to enforce the power of the purse and were made a mockery of for it.
14:58	mircea_popescu	not even the point that it failed, their attempt, but congressional dignity proved an empty word.
14:58	mircea_popescu	that was a test, it was failed, congress is going away.
14:59	mircea_popescu	the only way out was toi have obama hung for the crows to peck at for two months, on capitol hill.
14:59	mircea_popescu	admittedly a bar too high.
15:00	pLambert	bounce: already the president makes executive orders to do whatever he wants
15:00	bounce	not too much on the promises made though
15:00	bounce	that deliberate then?
15:01	pLambert	promises? you mean the things Obama said he would do, and then didn't do even though he clearly has the authority to do them already?
15:03	bounce	I s'pose nobody cared since he got re-elected regardless. oh well.
15:04	mircea_popescu	but seriously, i tell you you can't have a new car and you close down the fucking parks in response ?
15:04	mircea_popescu	that's it, you can't have electricity anymore either.
15:04	mircea_popescu	complete defunding of everything starting right now.
15:05	mircea_popescu	no secret service, no airforce one, no white house. go check into an 8ball motel.
15:05	mircea_popescu	think it through.
15:06	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8000 @ 0.00096371 = 7.7097 BTC [+]
15:06	*	bounce apparently (well, generally ignoring the drama over there) haven't kept up enough to see that
15:07	bounce	s/ven/sn/
15:09	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 3680 @ 0.00016748 = 0.6163 BTC [+] {3}
15:09	mircea_popescu	o yeah, which reminds me, how is ven, the revolutionary currency of the internet nefario discovered somewhere ?
15:11	kakobrekla	http://www.cryptocoincharts.info/v2/pair/ven/eur/kraken/10-days
15:11	ozbot	VEN / EUR (VEN/EUR) price chart, 10-days, Kraken
15:12	Namworld	Ah yes, this point about too much security/regulation is excellent.
15:13	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 6 @ 0.0421 = 0.2526 BTC [-]
15:13	mircea_popescu	kakobrekla aha! i wish i remembered what it was supposed to be trading for back in 2012
15:14	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 110 @ 0.00386208 = 0.4248 BTC [-] {7}
15:14	dexx	Apocalyptic: what's up with bitcoinstrings.com?
15:15	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.0594 = 0.1782 BTC [+]
15:15	kakobrekla	kraken will trade you dead grandmother if the logo is nice.
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15:15	Apocalyptic	dexx, why would I know ?
15:15	dexx	isn't this your website? and nvm: it's back up for me now
15:16	Apocalyptic	it's not
15:16	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 15 @ 0.041899 = 0.6285 BTC [-]
15:16	mircea_popescu	"Out, out, brief candle! Life's but a walking shadow, a poor player that struts and frets his hour upon the stage and then is heard no more. It is a tale told by an idiot, full of sound and fury signifying nothing."
15:17	mircea_popescu	ah the guy's so good.
15:17	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 6 @ 0.0416 = 0.2496 BTC [-] {2}
15:18	Duffer1	https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=506332.0
15:18	ozbot	[WTS] 1981 DeLorean DMC-12
15:21	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14650 @ 0.00096129 = 14.0829 BTC [-]
15:22	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.0594 = 0.1188 BTC [+]
15:22	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16700 @ 0.0009616 = 16.0587 BTC [+]
15:28	pLambert	"Rejection reason: If you're going to play the cool internet cat, go get some BTC, then submit your retardation with paid wager." How much do you need to bet to get a bitbet accepted?
15:28	nubbins`	depends
15:28	nubbins`	what was your bet?
15:29	benkay```	Mircea Popescu will be arrested and extradited to the US in 2014
15:29	benkay```	Rejection reason: If you're going to play the cool internet cat, go get some BTC, then submit your retardation with paid wager.
15:29	pankkake	ahah http://bitbet.us/propositions/
15:29	benkay```	^^ nubbins`
15:29	pankkake	first time I see such rejection
15:30	pankkake	I like this bet
15:30	nubbins`	heh
15:31	nubbins`	pLambert "Consider submitting with substantial paid wager" is a common rejection reason. not sure if there's a cut-and-dry minimum, but i've seen bets with 0.0x btc on either side
15:32	pLambert	I thought the guys at bitcointalk who are so sure MP is going to get dragged across the ocean would like to put some money on it?
15:32	TomServo	haha, Pussy Riot publicly beaten on video by July 25, 2014
15:32	TomServo	Didn't that actually happen?
15:32	pLambert	I don't think they allow bets about people getting hurt or killed?
15:33	nubbins`	TomServo yes
15:33	nubbins`	bunch of cossacks whipped them with knotted ropes
15:33	nubbins`	pLambert ah, too true
15:33	pankkake	yeah but the tough bitcointalk guys don't bet
15:34	mircea_popescu	pLambert bitbet charges 1% of the pool, and puts .1 btc on the new bets.
15:34	nubbins`	someone could just put 100btc on yes and then fly to russia and beat the shit out of them
15:34	mircea_popescu	thus if submitter places a 10btc bet he is in effect going "i'm not tryin' to mooch ya"
15:35	mircea_popescu	and there was some derpage about s.mpoe falling on the forum if i recall
15:35	mircea_popescu	turned out the guy's budget was maybe .1 or something like that.
15:35	nubbins`	pLambert: also, the btctalk crowd who would love to see MP extradited also probably would never send a single satoshi to bitbet, purely on principle
15:35	mircea_popescu	nubbins` yeah, it'd totally be the principle :p
15:35	nubbins`	i'm being diplomatic ;D
15:36	mircea_popescu	reminds me of the principled 20somethings that are on a diet
15:36	mircea_popescu	the incidental that they can't afford food anyway notwithstanding
15:36	nubbins`	heh.
15:36	mircea_popescu	tis a matter of principle.
15:36	pankkake	it's not that they don't have the funds, I've offered very small bets. it's that they don't even believe themselves
15:36	pLambert	but it might be useful to bet on yes, cause who knows what will happen to mpex investments if mp gets arrested, sort of a hedge?
15:37	mircea_popescu	"mp arrested for the crime of being mean to forum dwellers and bureaucrats"
15:37	mircea_popescu	sounds like a ton of publicity.
15:38	nubbins`	pLambert expound plz
15:39	mircea_popescu	while he does i wanna pontificate on the following theme :
15:39	pLambert	well, say you have some shares of s.mpoe. If mp gets arrested, their price will go down, I think. so if you bet that mp will get arrested, it will offset the loss from your shares?
15:39	mircea_popescu	since about the 90s or so, basic us education has been filtering quite perversely : you get an a or a+ for succeeding at the task, usually an a or rarely a b "for effort" by delivering a credible simulacra of having tried, and an f or rarely a c for actually trying and failing.
15:39	nubbins`	well you're making some assumptions there
15:40	nubbins`	namely that bitbet would continue to function
15:40	mircea_popescu	this has resulted in a generationful of people who can do nothing but and nothing other than "convincingly" trying.
15:40	pLambert	heh, good point. I assume it will function without mp?
15:40	nubbins`	mircea_popescu the true horror of this situation won't be realized for another few decades
15:40	mircea_popescu	pLambert if one then why not the other as well ?
15:41	nubbins`	^
15:41	nubbins`	conversely, if not mpoe, why not bitbet?
15:41	pLambert	failling and shares dropping are not exactly the same
15:41	mircea_popescu	nubbins` indeed. i routinely meet 20somethings who have not actually tried ANYTHING the past decade.
15:41	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 6 @ 0.0607 = 0.3642 BTC [-]
15:41	nubbins`	mircea_popescu trying things isn't required. i have a CS degree even though i only made two working programs during the course of my degree
15:42	nubbins`	had to teach myself, essentially from scratch
15:42	pankkake	two *working* programs? that's better than most
15:42	mircea_popescu	so in this sense, as far as the forum is concerned, having made that bet proposition is good enough.
15:42	mircea_popescu	even if the world laughs at them, they've... tried.
15:42	jborkl	mircea, to go along with your point - I send my kids to private school 6 and 4 years old. The 6 year old can do algebra, multiplication, read, write and knows some of the periodic table < public school peers are very far behind
15:42	mircea_popescu	i believe you.
15:42	mircea_popescu	where's this ?
15:42	nubbins`	all childs left behind
15:43	mircea_popescu	nubbins` exactly like venezuela, you knoiw ? "we've reduced inequality, everyone has the same amt of toilet paper now"
15:43	nubbins`	pLambert: so mp gets rendered, bitbet.us shows a DoJ logo. what now?
15:43	jborkl	Texas, the state has a robin hood theory
15:43	jborkl	to take from wealthy districts to prop up the poor
15:43	nubbins`	mircea_popescu "if you don't have enough toilet paper feel free to use the barrel of this rifle"
15:43	mircea_popescu	bitbet2.us pops up.
15:44	nubbins`	mircea_popescu stop stealing answers ;(
15:44	mircea_popescu	lmao!
15:44	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 20 @ 0.06059002 = 1.2118 BTC [-] {2}
15:44	nubbins`	tbh seizing domains is such a non-problem
15:44	mircea_popescu	no but this is the beauty of it. bitbet is... well... public.
15:44	mircea_popescu	there's nothing to steal.
15:45	nubbins`	i mean, look at the pirate bay. most reviled website in history
15:45	mircea_popescu	redirect it all you want, tomorrow any one of you can host it just as well.
15:45	nubbins`	still standing 11 years later
15:46	pankkake	http://thepiratebay.se/legal
15:46	nubbins`	^^^
15:46	bounce	it is a problem if, say, kansas or ohio judges order domains seized from overseas companies that do things perfectly legal there
15:46	mircea_popescu	did they updarte it ?
15:46	mircea_popescu	i recall that page was hilarious a decade ago
15:47	pankkake	I don't think there's new stuff
15:47	nubbins`	bounce: it's a .us domain, they can do what they want with it :P
15:47	pankkake	TPB isn't such a high profile target anymore too
15:47	nubbins`	that said, who cares what TLD is used
15:47	bounce	(relatedly, peeps getting into a right tizzy for having their .ly domains rescinded because they're clearly against the local customs in .ly)
15:47	nubbins`	pankkake mostly because they realized they were trying to box the wind
15:47	nubbins`	doesn't quite matter how good your left hook is, y'know?
15:48	mircea_popescu	pankkake what's strangest to my eyes, really, is that in 2004 the attitude of piratebay was directly obvious to the average net denizen.
15:48	nubbins`	;;google .ly tld
15:48	gribble	.ly - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/.ly>; NIC.LY - Libya ccTLD...: <http://www.nic.ly/>; ly Domains - International Domain Registration: <http://www.101domain.com/ly.htm>
15:48	bounce	'twas .com and .net, IIRC. those aren't supposed to be ".us", it was just that the registrar is conveniently a us company
15:48	nubbins`	libya!
15:48	mircea_popescu	today, the attitude of tardstalk is quite the opposite
15:48	mircea_popescu	what a coupla bad us presidents do to the world.
15:48	pankkake	maybe money is the root of all evil
15:49	mircea_popescu	either that or lazy stupidity.
15:49	nubbins`	nah
15:49	nubbins`	the root of money is the root of all evil
15:49	bounce	what's that say about the bunch that breathe the "follow the money" mantra and came up with AML?
15:49	nubbins`	might as well take it to brass tacks
15:50	Mats_cd03	my dong is the root of all evil
15:50	truffles	parasites arent that lazi for sure
15:50	nubbins`	Mats_cd03 is that because it's the size of a stack of dimes?
15:50	pankkake	nubbins`: yes, this as been tpb's strategy too: it DECENTRALIZED itself!!!
15:50	*	nubbins` cackles
15:51	nubbins`	;;google jumpin jesus tonight
15:51	gribble	'Jumping Jesus' snowbound video prompts worldwide laughs ... - CBC: <http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/newfoundland-labrador/jumping-jesus-snowbound-video-prompts-worldwide-laughs-1.2596691>; Canadian has a typical 'Irish mammy' reaction to her son getting ...: <http://www.dailyedge.ie/man-stuck-in-snow-irish-mammy-response-1394349-Apr2014/>; 'Jumping Jesus' snowbound video prompts (1 more message)
15:51	Mats_cd03	its also the same thickness
15:51	nubbins`	^ apparently this has caused quite the international stir
15:51	nubbins`	if you wanna hear a thick newfoundland accent, that's as good a place as any to start
15:54	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 106 @ 0.00556115 = 0.5895 BTC [-] {3}
15:54	nubbins`	MUDDER I'M STUCK
15:55	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31274 @ 0.00096001 = 30.0234 BTC [-] {2}
15:56	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 45426 @ 0.00095819 = 43.5267 BTC [-] {2}
15:58	truffles	^^ best quit message 3>
15:58	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.0599 = 0.1797 BTC [+]
16:01	nubbins`	ehhh
16:01	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 23 @ 0.00562121 = 0.1293 BTC [+] {3}
16:02	nubbins`	not even a good one-off quip
16:02	nubbins`	let alone something that gets cummed out every time you quit irc
16:03	Mats_cd03	ur so dirty
16:05	nubbins`	imagine the unfiltered version
16:13	Duffer1	Mircea Popescu i believe a Clinton/Warren ticket would be far more likely
16:14	Duffer1	er mircea_popescu ^
16:17	mircea_popescu	jack warrem ? which warren ?
16:17	Duffer1	elizabeth
16:18	mircea_popescu	a hm
16:20	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8350 @ 0.0009616 = 8.0294 BTC [+]
16:21	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 5 @ 0.10144642 = 0.5072 BTC [-]
16:24	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.0599 = 0.1198 BTC [+]
16:27	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.0599999 = 0.18 BTC [+]
16:28	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 5 @ 0.0599999 = 0.3 BTC [+]
16:35	Mats_cd03	lol
16:35	Mats_cd03	it would amuse me to see that
16:35	Mats_cd03	but unlikely
16:38	dexx	https://github.com/sipa/bips/blob/e04e99c315dd4067e267b62f84c9eeffeeccf94e/bip-0042.mediawiki#details unlimited bitcoin for everyone ;) (fixed btw now)
16:40	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.06050004 = 0.121 BTC [-]
16:43	nubbins`	heh, good find
16:48	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.60799998 = 1.216 BTC [+]
16:49	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 4 @ 0.608099 = 2.4324 BTC [+]
16:50	Namworld	http://i.imgur.com/3e2khf9.jpg
16:51	dexx	^ kinda disturbing
16:52	Namworld	Yes. But hilarious.
16:53	truffles	awww
16:53	truffles	at least my pet wouldnt try that with something that small
16:53	truffles	plastic bags for sure though
17:02	CheckDavid	:(
17:02	CheckDavid	That's abuse
17:02	kakobrekla	lelzy
17:02	kakobrekla	https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=555881.0
17:02	ozbot	I'm done with Bitcoin Securities...
17:04	danielpbarron	lol, there is too regulation; individuals are just so desperate to get-rich-quick that they overlook obvious scams in a rush to beat everyone else into the early adopter position
17:04	mike_c	of course now neo was an "easily identifiable scam"
17:05	kakobrekla	yes naturally.
17:05	dexx	inb4: "it's not a scam but a failed business"
17:05	danielpbarron	it's hard to tell the difference; might as well be the same thing
17:06	pankkake	"Until we have decentralized exchanges with open source software"
17:06	pankkake	can we have decentralized scam victims already so this stops
17:06	dexx	well, decentralized exchanges reduce the risk of a scamming exchange, but that's all
17:06	danielpbarron	i think there will be a resurgence of scams once the decentralized exchanges go totally live
17:07	pankkake	yes, that's all. interestingly, cryptostocks… is still here
17:08	danielpbarron	"The SEC is investigating all of the above" <--- not ready for Bitcoin; go home
17:09	truffles	i am home bro
17:09	dexx	maybe it would be more accurate to say "we need decentralized companies to end the scams"
17:09	danielpbarron	"bitcoin mining is also a scam" lolol... that's a pretty broad statement
17:10	danielpbarron	if you decentralize it far enough, might as well all keep our own money and not invest
17:10	danielpbarron	I mean that's the logical extreme and it completely defeats the purpose of investing
17:11	dexx	what's the relation between decentralization and keeping the money?
17:15	dexx	what i meant was something like.. say there are 10 people each with 100 btc each.. all coins are sent to a 5-of-10 multisig address. with >= 50 % consensus a business decision is sealed. << for the sake of an example
17:16	danielpbarron	hmm
17:17	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.608099 BTC [+]
17:17	mgio_	mining is not excatly a scam, but roughly 3/4s of the companies selling hardware have ben shown to not be reputable
17:17	danielpbarron	what ever happened to BFL?
17:17	danielpbarron	i see they are still selling pre-orders
17:18	mgio_	very few people have done better mining when measured by bitcoins in, bitcoisn out
17:18	dexx	if i may ask: why did the sec call you?
17:18	dexx	you in particular
17:18	dexx	and fyi: they called korbman out of the blue, too
17:18	the20year2	who was called by the SEC?
17:19	dexx	mgio_ according to his post: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=555881.msg6057442#msg6057442
17:19	mgio_	They called to talk about bitfunder and weexchange
17:19	the20year2	Interesting
17:20	danielpbarron	ew
17:20	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14600 @ 0.00096371 = 14.0702 BTC [+]
17:20	dexx	nono.. i mean, do you have any idea why they choose you? and when was that?
17:20	danielpbarron	I wouldn't talk to them
17:20	mgio_	They called back in November
17:20	the20year2	And here I am, chugging along buying houses with bitcoin
17:20	mgio_	and then I talked to them again recently
17:20	mgio_	they chose me cause I posted on the forums and was easy to track down, I assume
17:21	danielpbarron	i think the two most valuable investments in Bitcoin are bitcoins and knowledge/networking
17:21	dexx	ah
17:21	dexx	how can i invest in knowledge? ;)
17:21	danielpbarron	read about all the scams
17:21	mgio_	they wouldn't give me much information other than there was an ongoing investigation
17:21	danielpbarron	without participating in any of them
17:22	danielpbarron	most of the bitcoiners have no idea how money works on these scales
17:22	mgio_	i really expected more from neo & bee.
17:22	danielpbarron	haphazerdly slapping terrible business plans together and actually finding investors
17:23	dexx	mgio_: i didn't expect it either
17:23	danielpbarron	you could spend a solid week just reading all the forum posts about all the scams, although I particularly like mircea_popescu's writing on the subject
17:24	mgio_	im shocked that people still invest at all anymore. if you couldn't trust the exchange with your money (bitfunder) then how could you trust any of the securities it was peddling?
17:25	the20year2	I'm curious of that too
17:25	danielpbarron	there are still places to invest bitcoin that aren't scams.. they just aren't begging for investors
17:25	mgio_	like what?
17:25	danielpbarron	heh
17:25	danielpbarron	idk do your own research on it
17:25	mgio_	well, i'll all done with it for now
17:25	danielpbarron	stop following whatever the trend-of-the-week is
17:26	mgio_	i invested in neo&bee when it was first announced, i used my xbond shares
17:26	danielpbarron	if you follow the crowd, you'll usually end up buying after the pump and selling after the dump
17:26	mgio_	i realized it was a long term investment
17:27	dexx	is it a confirmed scam now?
17:28	dexx	well, i guess insolvency implies that
17:28	danielpbarron	i read one this morning about a noob who didn't realize he was shorting bitcoin.... right before the price spike......
17:29	mgio_	Neo & bee wasn't necessarily, but they aren't too very well right now
17:29	mgio_	they must have been very mismanaged to suddenly run out of money without warning
17:29	the20year2	I want to know why they had money in gox
17:29	mgio_	they didn't
17:29	mgio_	the CEO had some personal funds there
17:29	the20year2	Danny said he did
17:29	mgio_	yes, his own coins
17:29	the20year2	and that he was covering the exchange with his own personal coins
17:30	danielpbarron	SCAM
17:30	mgio_	Neo lost money from bitfunder/weexchange
17:30	danielpbarron	i've heard that story
17:30	*	truffles wonders if this is how rumors start
17:30	mgio_	thats a whole different story, where did that money go?
17:30	dexx	very good question
17:30	the20year2	I'm curious too
17:30	mgio_	who knows, ukyo will never tell us :)
17:30	Duffer1	indeed
17:30	mgio_	and won't even tell us why he won't tell us
17:30	the20year2	We've already published our expense spreadsheet to investors, i'm curious how many other bitcoin companies do that too
17:31	truffles	feds took everything ldo
17:31	danielpbarron	as many legit ones as there are
17:33	danielpbarron	maybe a lot of these scams will go away when nLockTime and multisig addresses go mainstream
17:33	mgio_	people are begging me to delete that thread. As if i could harm Neo&Bee any more :(
17:33	danielpbarron	there is no excuse for not keeping your funds under your own control
17:34	dexx	danielpbarron: these things and clever stuff is out since at least 2012
17:35	danielpbarron	yeah but they haven't been implemented in many wallet programs yet
17:35	dexx	yes
17:35	danielpbarron	i know greenaddress.it uses nLockTime
17:35	dexx	https://api.trustedcoin.com//#/ + https://www.bitgo.com/
17:35	ozbot	Trusted Coin
17:35	mgio_	I guess there is a slim chance i'll see some money from ukyo.loan...a slim chance neo&bee will get it's act together...
17:36	dexx	i hope it didn't break you, mgio_
17:36	Duffer1	are you part of the labcoin action mgio?
17:36	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3050 @ 0.00096311 = 2.9375 BTC [-]
17:39	jurov	mgio_ you forgot mtgox
17:39	mircea_popescu	ok that one is epic Namworld
17:39	mgio_	yes, I am Duffer1, but I never got around to sending in all my information
17:39	mgio_	I hope its not too late
17:39	mircea_popescu	<mike_c> of course now neo was an "easily identifiable scam" << butofcourse :D
17:40	mircea_popescu	<pankkake> can we have decentralized scam victims already so this stops << ahahaha best log of the week today
17:40	Duffer1	mgio_ talk to virtuals on irc or virtualspade on bitcointalk.org he's handling all that
17:40	mircea_popescu	o hai mgio_
17:41	mircea_popescu	had you started reading here instead of derping on the "investor" forum you'd be a millionaire today.
17:41	mircea_popescu	just think!
17:41	mgio_	don't get me wrong, i've still done very very well off of bitcoin (and some securities)
17:41	mgio_	it just seems to all gone to sh*t recently
17:42	mircea_popescu	not moreso than per usual.
17:42	mgio_	i should have been content to just let my coins sit in my wallet
17:42	mircea_popescu	<dexx> how can i invest in knowledge? ;) << trilema credits :D
17:42	mircea_popescu	i think you already have those tho, so all invested.
17:42	dexx	haha true
17:43	mircea_popescu	danielpbarron don't forget the part where they fight EVIL FUDSTERS and my socks.
17:43	dexx	yes, i have a few :)
17:43	danielpbarron	yeah i bought some credits; that's a really cool system
17:45	mircea_popescu	"And the more you scam, the more fanboys you get - it's not that there is no incentive to be honest, it's that there is an incentive to be dishonest." methinks pankkake has it.
17:45	mircea_popescu	the way scammers work these days, they steal a little from a lot of muppets then give them a little of it back in exchange for forum shilling
17:45	pankkake	I need to be banned
17:45	mircea_popescu	apparently works wunderbar
17:45	pankkake	I will never stop otherwise
17:46	mircea_popescu	mgio_ there is recourse re the miner stuff. just, you didn't bother reading about it.
17:46	mircea_popescu	theory is here : http://trilema.com/2013/the-positive-market-effects-of-the-delivery-bet/
17:46	danielpbarron	a lot of the bitcoin media networks are helping promote the scammers; like letstalkbitcoin, they were giving coverage to AuroraCoin recently... that's woefully irresponsible of them
17:46	mircea_popescu	the practice is here : http://bitbet.us/bet/450/bitfurys-asic-will-work-with-power-1/
17:47	mircea_popescu	and http://bitbet.us/bet/7/bfl-will-deliver-asic-devices-before-march-1st/ and etc.
17:47	jurov	danielpbarron: because it's the same people
17:47	mircea_popescu	danielpbarron letstalkbitcoin are a buncha clueless kids.
17:47	danielpbarron	well they are a major gateway
17:47	mircea_popescu	max keiser & stacy herbert were doing the same thing, which is a lot worse.
17:47	mircea_popescu	major my foot.
17:48	danielpbarron	well you can get their news on iTunes; that's a huge market
17:48	danielpbarron	most individuals don't know what IRC is
17:48	mircea_popescu	most individuals aren't a "market".
17:49	jurov	i'm curious why the effects apply only on mining hardware
17:49	jurov	i was running on cardano bet and nobody came
17:49	mike_c	exactly :) the provider wasn't confident.
17:50	mgio_	what would you guys do if you were me, re ukyo.loan?
17:50	dexx	cardano.. the gpg thingy which was scheduled for xmas 2013? <.<"
17:50	mike_c	plus, no money was lost by pre-orderers when cardano slipped
17:50	jurov	maybe it was xmas 2014?
17:50	dexx	hehe
17:50	mircea_popescu	<mike_c> plus, no money was lost by pre-orderers when cardano slipped << prolly th bigger factor. not much to hedge.
17:51	jurov	should have made bet on trezor instead
17:51	jurov	now it's too late
17:51	mike_c	even still. with miners the pre-orderers are actually losing money every day it is late.
17:51	mircea_popescu	lmao wait, ognasty thinks neo was an "easily spottable" scam ?
17:51	mircea_popescu	bwahaha save me mary.
17:52	dexx	he probably generalized
17:52	dexx	scam = labcoin = neo
17:52	mircea_popescu	dude is running a scam.
17:52	dexx	oh?
17:52	mircea_popescu	spotted like... a year ago or so.
17:53	dexx	;;google ognasty trilema
17:53	gribble	No matches found.
17:53	mircea_popescu	well i didn't trilema each and every single one of them
17:54	mircea_popescu	;;google site:log.bitcoin-assets.com ognasty scam
17:54	gribble	NEXT: 23-01-2014 - #bitcoin-assets log: <http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=23-01-2014&bots=true>; NEXT: 08-02-2014 - #bitcoin-assets log: <http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-02-2014>; NEXT: 30-08-2013 - #bitcoin-assets log: <http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=30-08-2013>
17:54	mircea_popescu	nothing much there either.
17:56	mgio_	so wiat, we are all just a bunch of scammers scamming each other?
17:56	mircea_popescu	who's "we" ?
17:56	mgio_	all of us (i was kidding)
17:56	mike_c	if we == forum_users: print "yes"
17:57	mgio_	everyone who posts on the forums has some kind of hidden motivation
17:57	mgio_	yes
17:57	mircea_popescu	prolly.
17:57	mircea_popescu	well there were a few silly people still posting there without trying to scam, but they';re quickly disappearing
17:59	nubbins`	fuck this, i'm getting drunk and listening to blood on the tracks
17:59	mircea_popescu	meanwhile somewhere else, http://37.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m3i9zhVhP51qzn5vfo1_1280.jpg
18:00	dexx	hehe looks like no one noticed
18:00	mircea_popescu	;;ticker
18:01	gribble	Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 446.0, Best ask: 448.0, Bid-ask spread: 2.00000, Last trade: 446.0, 24 hour volume: 27538.79141599, 24 hour low: 416.11, 24 hour high: 465.0, 24 hour vwap: 0
18:01	mgio_	has everyone tried the bitcoin simulator? http://www.beepboopbitcoin.com
18:01	mgio_	its really pretty accurate
18:03	mircea_popescu	mgio_ never seen that before. who made it ?
18:03	mgio_	i dunno, someone posted it on my facebook wall yesterday
18:03	mgio_	its hilarious, play all the way through
18:04	dexx	http://www.beepboopbitcoin.com/about.html
18:04	ozbot	Advanced Bitcoin Simulator
18:04	mircea_popescu	Your account has a balance of 783.06 USD.
18:04	mircea_popescu	im liek getting rich over here.
18:05	nubbins`	quick, cash out
18:05	mircea_popescu	Dear tacoX Customers,
18:05	mircea_popescu	In the event of recent news reports and the potential repercussions on tacoX's operations and the market, a decision was taken to shut down and keep all your money. We will be closely monitoring the situation and will react accordingly.
18:05	mircea_popescu	lol i had like 50 btc out of the 1 i had originally made.
18:05	dexx	lol
18:06	bounce	before that it says "withdrawals will take up to 22 months"
18:06	mircea_popescu	Accomplished:
18:06	mircea_popescu	Anonymous Cryptocurrency
18:06	mircea_popescu	Gave sensitive personal information to someone you don't know
18:06	mircea_popescu	Twenty-One Links Of Blockchain Around My Leg
18:06	mircea_popescu	Went into debt
18:06	mircea_popescu	No Transaction Fees!
18:06	mircea_popescu	Paid a transaction fee
18:06	asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: the light bulbs! you blew these yourself?
18:06	mircea_popescu	A Bear Called The End
18:06	mircea_popescu	Bought a bitcoin with U.S. dollars
18:06	mircea_popescu	Security And Control Over Your Money
18:06	mircea_popescu	Had your bitcoins disappear without a trace
18:06	mircea_popescu	You have 0.00 bitcoins.
18:06	mircea_popescu	You have lost a net 24.24 fiat dollars.
18:06	mircea_popescu	asciilifeform yes.
18:06	asciilifeform	neato
18:06	mgio_	it gets worse, try some of the investments and buy an asicminer
18:07	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24000 @ 0.00095839 = 23.0014 BTC [-]
18:07	mircea_popescu	Not Yet Accomplished:
18:07	mircea_popescu	Captain of Industry
18:07	mircea_popescu	Create your own financial empire
18:07	mircea_popescu	I Am The One Percent
18:07	mircea_popescu	Make a million U.S. dollars
18:07	mircea_popescu	Pillar Of The Community
18:07	mircea_popescu	Make a positive contribution to society
18:07	mircea_popescu	lol i accomplished all those, but hey. i guess im not the demo
18:08	mircea_popescu	asciilifeform wait a second. what do you mean by "blew" ?
18:08	asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: ever make valves?
18:08	asciilifeform	blew - as in, glass
18:08	mircea_popescu	o holy hell no
18:09	asciilifeform	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gl-QMuUQhVM
18:09	ozbot	hand making vacuum tubes Part 1 - YouTube
18:09	mircea_popescu	well sure, im notdisputing it can be done
18:10	asciilifeform	the hard vacuum is the... hard part.
18:10	asciilifeform	if embarking on this, get an ion diffusion 2nd stage pump from a university surplus. $100 or so where i live.
18:12	nubbins`	so i'm googling the name of a zine, i get "a whale" typed in, and autosuggest says "adopt a whale and kill it"
18:12	nubbins`	;(
18:12	mircea_popescu	must be right.
18:13	nubbins`	nod
18:13	mike_c	i don't get that. must be a personalized result
18:13	mircea_popescu	:D
18:13	mircea_popescu	do you perchance get "marry a whale and help her lose weight" ?
18:13	jurov	how did they make hard vacuum in 1920s?
18:14	mike_c	whoa, spot on!
18:14	nubbins`	haha
18:14	asciilifeform	jurov: something like edison's mercury pump, i believe.
18:14	nubbins`	jurov they did it in outer space
18:14	nubbins`	wait
18:14	asciilifeform	the '20s were not 'stone age.' they had most of what we have now, roughly.
18:15	mike_c	(obligatory note to my wife - just kidding!)
18:15	asciilifeform	(yes, incl. semiconductors)
18:15	asciilifeform	99% of the maths anybody uses now, too.
18:16	danielpbarron	i'm not nearly as good at beepboopbitcoin as I am at real Bitcoin
18:16	jurov	asciilifeform: you read the link i posted few days ago?
18:16	asciilifeform	jurov: which one?
18:16	jurov	that they etched vacuum-tube-like transistors in silicon
18:16	asciilifeform	grantmanship.
18:16	danielpbarron	I think i'm really fortunate that I didn't start reading bitcointalk until very recently; i've been completely in the dark about all these potential ways to throw my money away
18:16	jurov	and cuz they are so small, don't actually need vacuum
18:17	bounce	I read they did that uhm 10+ years back already. difference here seemed to be they managed to make it a lot smaller again.
18:17	bounce	different uni then though
18:17	jurov	whats' grantmanship? uni vaporware?
18:17	mircea_popescu	just about
18:17	mircea_popescu	btw jurov people keep asking me if that paper is for real :D
18:17	asciilifeform	;;google nuvistor
18:17	gribble	Nuvistor - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuvistor>; The Nuvistor - The Valve Page: <http://www.thevalvepage.com/valvetek/Nuvistor/nuvistor.htm>; Nuvistor: Parts & Tubes | eBay: <http://www.ebay.com/bhp/nuvistor>
18:17	asciilifeform	existed.
18:17	mircea_popescu	you'll be famous.
18:18	asciilifeform	this was actually a serious leap in vacuum tube tech - they didn't need to be pumped, or made of glass
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18:18	asciilifeform	so the early transistor, for a while, could not compete on price.
18:23	mircea_popescu	soo apparently teh sa crowd hangs out on mibbit. http://client00.chat.mibbit.com/?server=irc.synirc.net&channel=%23buttcoin
18:26	pankkake	mibbit is just a horrible web irc client
18:28	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 9 @ 0.07801213 = 0.7021 BTC [-] {5}
18:29	mgio_	I just read your article on bitbet to leverage mining delays, very interesting stuff
18:31	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [COG] 105 @ 0.00399993 = 0.42 BTC [-]
18:33	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [COG] 100 @ 0.004 = 0.4 BTC [+]
18:36	turbo_ac100	mike_c: warm fuzzy feeling :)
18:39	chatquack	shhh shhhh shhhhhh, it's all going to be ok.
18:40	*	chatquack wants attention.
18:40	chatquack	Who want's to drink and quote frank zappa with me?
18:41	*	turbo_ac100 drinkin', no zappa though
18:41	chatquack	~Well, go on and get it over with it then~
18:41	chatquack	Well, that's good enough!
18:41	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [COG] 18 @ 0.00812996 = 0.1463 BTC [+] {3}
18:41	*	chatquack shakes turbo_ac100's hand and hands him a beer.
18:42	*	turbo_ac100 is listening to hands on experiences about compulsory auctions. Sent from his iPhone.
18:43	chatquack	woah. /me checks it our\
18:43	chatquack	out**
18:43	*	turbo_ac100 frequently lies about his phone though.
18:44	chatquack	All I found was a True Blood playlist.
18:44	chatquack	Snookie does something or other.
18:44	*	chatquack doesn't have a phone
18:44	chatquack	I smashed my 4s and it felt good/bad
18:45	chatquack	~There are three things that smell like fish~
18:45	turbo_ac100	Cleaning your tin foil hat will get rid of the bad feelings fo shizzle!
18:45	chatquack	~One of them is "fish"~
18:46	chatquack	~The other two... are growing on youuuuuuuu~
18:46	chatquack	I know right?!? Gotta change the foil out.
18:46	*	chatquack shakes the pizza greese off
18:47	chatquack	So, I've got to move out by the end of this month... I'm freaking out.
18:47	chatquack	Thinking about just buring the place down, so I don't have to pack boxes.
18:48	turbo_ac100	mid-term solution! I like it!
18:50	chatquack	hehe yes.
18:50	chatquack	I really like my land lord though. She's a sweety.
18:50	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7950 @ 0.00095945 = 7.6276 BTC [+]
18:51	chatquack	But my love for burning things to the ground is very strong.
18:51	turbo_ac100	Listen to your heart!
18:52	chatquack	hehehehehheheh
18:52	chatquack	Fuck it, we're burning it down.
18:53	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 10 @ 0.06 = 0.6 BTC [+] {2}
18:53	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 9 @ 0.04239 = 0.3815 BTC [-]
18:53	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 9 @ 0.10144642 = 0.913 BTC [-]
18:53	chatquack	Oh shit. Dave Matthews band is playing.
18:54	chatquack	I'm totally burning this place down. *love dave tho*
18:54	chatquack	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7gXuYFih6Y8
18:54	ozbot	Dave Matthews Band - What Would You Say - YouTube
18:55	chatquack	I'd say, "Fuck it!".
18:55	chatquack	~MOM, IT'S MY BIRTHDAY~
18:56	*	chatquack starts dancing with a torch
18:56	Duffer1	ha
18:58	chatquack	~knock knock on the door, who's it for?~ BURRRRRRRNNNNNNNNNNNNN
18:59	*	chatquack whispers, "There's no one out there"
19:00	chatquack	I know most of you don't know me, but you may just get to witness me go over the edge. I just but the live Dave Mathews album, "Rember Two Things" on.
19:00	chatquack	All I can think of is what's his face from SNL on Jeperdy.
19:00	chatquack	Perfect 'Dave'
19:02	chatquack	shhh, don't engage him, maybe he'll go away...
19:02	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.0424 = 0.212 BTC [+]
19:04	arizona	You aren't bothering me. Please procede.
19:05	mircea_popescu	da fuck's going on here.
19:05	arizona	lol
19:05	*	chatquack consoles mircea_popescu
19:05	chatquack	also "pokes with stick"
19:06	chatquack	It's like getting hugged by a hedghog.
19:06	*	chatquack "air violins"
19:07	chatquack	[air violing intensifies]
19:07	chatquack	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vsUuYkMHV4w
19:07	ozbot	Dave Matthews Band - Tripping Billies - YouTube
19:09	chatquack	I think I've tripped harded enough to knock over a few billies.
19:10	mircea_popescu	chatquack donation address is on http://bitcoin-assets.com/
19:10	chatquack	mircea_popescu's over here thinking, "I'm making money, I'm making money, I'm making money, this is just noise"
19:10	chatquack	ooo I have not been there.
19:10	chatquack	Not that I have much to donate, but I shall.
19:11	mircea_popescu	http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/1b/Miles_Glacier_Bridge%2C_damage_and_kludge%2C_1984.jpg
19:11	chatquack	I'm going homeless at the end of the month.
19:11	mircea_popescu	you too ?
19:11	chatquack	Ya, that bridge.
19:11	mircea_popescu	there must be something going around
19:11	chatquack	ha right?
19:11	chatquack	I'll probably save up more money than I ever have.
19:11	mircea_popescu	well don't donate if you're homeless, do a nekkid dance or something.
19:12	chatquack	And also, make the least.
19:12	chatquack	ok, nekkid dances keep me warm.
19:12	chatquack	So does the clothes...
19:12	*	chatquack has lived in a car before AMA
19:13	chatquack	oh shit, just spilt beer on my belly
19:13	*	chatquack rubs it in
19:13	chatquack	Really though, my last "homeless" car was bigger.
19:13	chatquack	This is really going to be a bit of a down-grade.
19:14	chatquack	Let's see where that qoute lives.....something about house payment or the car's.
19:14	cads	I imagine the worst part about being homeless is that it's hard to keep up a decent bandwidth.
19:15	cads	how can you produce enough value to leave that state if your bandwidth is down to zero, I dunno.
19:15	cads	It's like game over till someone gives you some clean clothes so you can be allowed into a library
19:15	cads	where you'll at least have /some/ bandwidth
19:16	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1000 @ 0.00017899 = 0.179 BTC [+]
19:17	chatquack	hmmm
19:17	chatquack	cads, you bring up an intresting point
19:18	chatquack	I think there is a sub $100 wifi-3g huuhaa in this state, not sure about coverage though.
19:18	chatquack	Oh fuck, nearly out of beer.
19:18	cads	you can sometimes make provisional deals with wifi network owners in the area
19:19	chatquack	Oh snap, I should become one of thoese 'owners'.
19:20	cads	I can show you how to give your clients their own unique virtual SSID and password
19:20	*	chatquack loves neighbors that love him
19:20	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 13223 @ 0.000179 = 2.3669 BTC [+] {5}
19:20	chatquack	Right? Network sec is important!
19:20	cads	neighbors are great but I think in this day of arcane (and restrictive) provider contracts, they're too reluctant to pool resources
19:21	cads	also in this day of strong exploits it's not safe to let a stranger on your network
19:22	chatquack	Net sec should look to H&K... Keine Kompromisse!
19:22	chatquack	eh true
19:22	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 23 @ 0.04294312 = 0.9877 BTC [+] {4}
19:22	chatquack	ok, ya, go ahead and ruin my dreams.
19:22	chatquack	Becoming an isp might mitagate
19:22	cads	you just have to talk faster than your prospect's worries :)
19:22	cads	yep, become a rogue ISP
19:22	cads	DOOO it
19:22	chatquack	there still could be hope as a rooftop point to point ISP
19:23	chatquack	hahhaha
19:23	chatquack	I like it!
19:23	chatquack	Most people want free movies, not kiddie crap.
19:23	chatquack	eh that
19:23	chatquack	's an issue
19:24	chatquack	the whole "your responsiblility" issue
19:25	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 2000 @ 0.00018199 = 0.364 BTC [-]
19:25	chatquack	oooo ooo ooo what about encapsalating (sic.) all the date and encripting it to a 3rd party?
19:25	chatquack	data**
19:26	chatquack	No ISP can know what their clients will access anyway.
19:26	chatquack	There must be a protection method.
19:28	chatquack	Fuck it. I'm just going to drive a van around with a bunch of decrete antennas
19:29	chatquack	The whole town's like, "why doesn't my remot outdoor thermometer work anymore?"
19:29	chatquack	remote**
19:30	*	chatquack kick chatquack Too much talky talky
19:31	BingoBoingo	http://www.beepboopbitcoin.com/homeless.html
19:31	ozbot	Parchment
19:33	pankkake	nice!
19:36	mike_c	awesome. i don't remember the commands though :)
19:36	chatquack	oh wow. I was looking at the wrong channel think this was it.
19:37	chatquack	awwww BingoBoingo, that normally takes hours to get to that point.
19:37	cazalla	i got the reciept from the atm but was like fuck it, i don't have the attention span for these games anymore
19:38	chatquack	ha
19:38	BingoBoingo	chatquack: well, it can happen faster
19:38	chatquack	this may be true
19:39	*	chatquack needs to alias mr to me
19:39	chatquack	some thing like alias ls ld
19:39	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 5 @ 0.06 = 0.3 BTC [+]
19:39	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17266 @ 0.00095752 = 16.5325 BTC [-] {2}
19:39	chatquack	errr ,ld ls heh wow
19:39	chatquack	many wow, such trhanks
19:40	chatquack	~The street runs by your house to the south.~
19:40	chatquack	;;eauth chatquack
19:40	gribble	Request successful for user chatquack, hostmask chatquack!~chatquack@unaffiliated/chatquack. Get your encrypted OTP from http://bitcoin-otc.com/otps/56EF11E53FE449F5
19:42	chatquack	;;everify chatquack http://pastebin.com/LtKvtc4P
19:42	gribble	(everify <otp>) -- Verify the latest encrypt-authentication request by providing your decrypted one-time password. If verified, you'll be authenticated for the duration of the bot's or your IRC session on channel (whichever is shorter).
19:42	chatquack	*gasp*
19:42	chatquack	;;everify http://pastebin.com/LtKvtc4P
19:42	gribble	Error: Incorrect one-time password. Try again.
19:43	chatquack	oh well fuck
19:43	chatquack	BingoBoingo is a bit embaressed
19:43	chatquack	;;eauth chatquack
19:43	BingoBoingo	?
19:43	gribble	Request successful for user chatquack, hostmask chatquack!~chatquack@unaffiliated/chatquack. Get your encrypted OTP from http://bitcoin-otc.com/otps/56EF11E53FE449F5
19:43	chatquack	everify freenode:#bitcoin-otc:3952c37eb5f16e15af0e603d73f80dc4a6a9acfa209ad36554cb8356
19:44	chatquack	;;everify freenode:#bitcoin-otc:3952c37eb5f16e15af0e603d73f80dc4a6a9acfa209ad36554cb8356
19:44	gribble	You are now authenticated for user chatquack with key 56EF11E53FE449F5
19:44	chatquack	of fuck, no BingoBoingo taught me well, I'm just drunk and forgetfull
19:45	chatquack	I'm pretty sure someone jeeps moving the keys on my keyboard.
19:45	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 62 @ 0.04240563 = 2.6291 BTC [-] {4}
19:45	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4250 @ 0.00095945 = 4.0777 BTC [+]
19:49	chatquack	guh. i'm jsustst a drunk shlab
19:50	cads	Lol, don't get down on yourself. In here. We'll ridicule you :)
19:51	chatquack	I feel much better cads. Thank you. Have something in return: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tctfq4tplQ4&feature=kp
19:51	cads	I love opening random IRC links. Ever since I was a kid.
19:51	*	chatquack strums the getar really hard.
19:52	chatquack	hahhaha right? always a mistery!
19:52	cads	If you can stare into the "eye" of the goatse man, you know you're a product of the deep internet.
19:52	chatquack	I've never found his actuall eye.
19:53	chatquack	oh, "eye".
19:53	chatquack	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tctfq4tplQ4&feature=kp
19:53	ozbot	Tiger Woods by Dan Bern - YouTube
19:53	chatquack	there it is
19:53	chatquack	thank you ozbot
19:53	cads	yes, it must not move you at all, neither north nor south, you must simply acknowledge - there goes a diety of the internet
19:54	chatquack	ha
19:54	chatquack	~which one are you BABY~
19:54	*	chatquack love dan bern
19:55	chatquack	./nick big_as_the_swing_on_tiger_woods
19:56	chatquack	No missing link is another really good one
19:56	chatquack	REally though, Dan is fucked in the head.
19:57	cads	Look at the wonderful art http://animexpansion.com/forums/index.php?/gallery/member/1-mistystuffer/
19:57	chatquack	I love that he quotes Jesus as saying phrases like, "fuck it".
19:57	*	chatquack looks
19:58	chatquack	wow
19:58	chatquack	just eoe
19:58	cads	that is an artist that enjoys what he does, so I can't fault him/her
19:58	chatquack	http://animexpansion.com/forums/uploads/1344932425/med_gallery_1_645_122090.png mmmm I could love both of them!
19:59	chatquack	So inviting@
19:59	cads	adorable, right?
19:59	chatquack	Ohmyfuck, my speakers are loud. YeS! ADORABLE!
19:59	chatquack	I could roll over them for days!
20:00	cads	I'll never love anything as much as this man loves to draw morbidly obese girls
20:00	chatquack	hhahahaha
20:00	chatquack	Can
20:00	chatquack	Cant
20:00	chatquack	hmmmm my keys
20:00	chatquack	enter is soooo close to shift
20:01	chatquack	Can't remember now. Something about fat chicks and how I love 'em!
20:02	chatquack	~Something ab out the missing link, There's no missing link!!!!!~
20:02	chatquack	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KmMsxqWYK-g&feature=kp
20:02	ozbot	No Missing Link: By Dan Bern - YouTube
20:03	chatquack	Going to sing type nowe...
20:03	BCB	did anyone see the texas guidance today
20:03	BCB	*err memo
20:03	chatquack	~They looked for the missing link~
20:04	chatquack	~There's no missing link~
20:04	chatquack	~They'll never find the missing link~
20:04	chatquack	~There's no missing link~
20:04	chatquack	~We're not something~
20:04	chatquack	~You can figure out with an equation~
20:04	chatquack	~We are the genetic mutation~
20:04	artifexd	BCB no. got a link?
20:05	chatquack	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KmMsxqWYK-g&feature=kp
20:05	ozbot	No Missing Link: By Dan Bern - YouTube
20:05	BCB	artifexd, http://www.dob.texas.gov/lg_manual/sm1037.pdf
20:05	chatquack	~aaaalllliens came and fucked the monkey, they fucked the monkey~
20:06	chatquack	I'm scared. What is that BcB?
20:06	chatquack	~Seven billion bastards. Screaming for our Daddy~
20:06	BCB	chatquack, bitcoin analysis from the state of texas
20:06	chatquack	nice
20:06	*	chatquack looks
20:06	cads	http://cdn.3dprintingindustry.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/04/Lix-pen-3d-printing-700.jpg
20:06	BCB	Regulatory Treatment of Virtual Currencies Under the Texas Money Services Act
20:07	cads	work of art made by a 3d printing pen
20:07	chatquack	Mostly 5 pages?!?!
20:07	chatquack	fuck
20:07	artifexd	"Exchanging virtual currency for sovereign currency is not currency exchange under the Texas
20:07	artifexd	Finance Code." Nice
20:09	chatquack	FTA "Because cryptocurrency is not money under the Money Services Act, receiving it in exchange for
20:09	chatquack	a promise to make it available at a later time or different location is not money transmission.
20:09	chatquack	Consequently, absent the involvement of sovereign currency in a transaction, no money
20:09	chatquack	transmission can occur. However, when a cryptocurrency transaction does include sovereign
20:09	chatquack	currency, it may be money transmission depending on how the sovereign currency is handled. A
20:09	chatquack	licensing analysis will be based on the handling of the sovereign currency." ughhhh
20:09	chatquack	wait
20:09	chatquack	it's it's OWN FUCKING CURRENCY!
20:10	chatquack	errrr, "it's its"
20:10	thestringpuller	watch them try to label buying alpaca socks in exchange for cryptocurrency is money transmission
20:11	chatquack	is't it?
20:11	chatquack	altho, I don't know what the diff between money and currency is...
20:11	thestringpuller	it's sovereign by definition so to impose laws on it seems a bit...moot
20:11	artifexd	Apparently not. They only care about how "soverign currency" is handled as per the following quote from near the bottom of page 3:
20:12	artifexd	"A
20:12	artifexd	licensing analysis will be based on the handling of the sovereign currency."
20:12	chatquack	so, someone (one individual or party) gets to name the price?
20:13	dexx	soo.. if i got that right. no atms?
20:13	chatquack	rather than lookin at bitcoinaveragedotderp or something?
20:13	*	chatquack misses his states' atm already
20:13	artifexd	ATMs are explicitly discussed.
20:13	chatquack	I didn't even drive over there and look at it.
20:14	artifexd	"... an automated machine is usually but not always money transmition"
20:14	dexx	yes
20:14	dexx	i read it
20:14	dexx	it's only none, if it's used as vending machine without access to an external exchange
20:14	chatquack	Wouldn't it be though?
20:15	chatquack	Somewhere in it's dump hardware would live the current blockchain.
20:15	chatquack	dumppy**
20:16	dexx	?
20:16	chatquack	And an api to "it's exchange".
20:16	dexx	it's about bitcoin/fiat exchanges
20:17	chatquack	In fact, can't we have bitcoin atm's that let us choose our fav exchanges (within price reason).
20:18	artifexd	That would make it sound like, to me, that two-way atms are not money transmitters. I put USD in. I get btc out sold by the operator. I put BTC in. I get USD out sold by the operator.
20:18	artifexd	I don't see it matter if the machine gets the exchange rate from an exchange.
20:18	chatquack	Oh wow. This Dan Bern album is still playing. Talking about how his car doesn't pick up the mexican stations. Wow. I love. ~Live'n in diferent worlds, right beside eachother.~
20:18	BingoBoingo	http://www.urbanbaby.com/topics/55248939
20:18	ozbot	UrbanBaby
20:18	dexx	artifexd: i think it's done this way with an atm in berlin
20:19	artifexd	Hm
20:19	chatquack	artifexd, ya. the atm itself chooses the prices and displays it to you before you hit, "confirm".
20:20	chatquack	well, it's chosen by some unseen algo, but hey, you know.
20:20	*	chatquack turns up the music a bit more.
20:21	dexx	chatquack: the underlying problem: the atm owner acts as escrow between user and exchange and this is appearingly the part is an act of a money transmission
20:21	chatquack	ugh.
20:21	chatquack	not just a snack maching at fixed prices 'eh?
20:22	dexx	you can run it as snack machine and even fetch prices from an exchange
20:22	chatquack	Bitcoin lemonade stands...
20:22	dexx	but you can't let the users use the exchange ;)
20:22	chatquack	buy a $2 lemo and pay with a $50, change in btc.
20:23	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8052 @ 0.00095945 = 7.7255 BTC [+]
20:23	chatquack	or is that not fair trade?
20:23	thestringpuller	it can be, that would be a pricing mechanism
20:23	thestringpuller	if it's inefficient there will likely be a more "efficient" trade somewhere else in that market
20:24	chatquack	hm, pricing mechanism...coinbase?
20:24	thestringpuller	a $2 lemo bought for $0.50, change in btc
20:24	thestringpuller	or more $2 lemonade sold for $0.50
20:24	chatquack	hm. countries like their taxes.
20:24	thestringpuller	jsut to acquire btc
20:24	chatquack	let's give it to them
20:24	thestringpuller	then countries can collect their own currency?
20:25	chatquack	I see BTC tx's from big bank to another as a cost saver.
20:26	chatquack	BOA and whatnot should jump on board. but fuuuuck the quick changes in price. dunno what to do about them.
20:27	thestringpuller	don't worry about the changes in price?
20:27	chatquack	Sell futures as currents?
20:27	chatquack	ya, fuck it!
20:27	thestringpuller	that's been discussed...
20:27	chatquack	neat.
20:28	*	chatquack is drunk, angry, and poor.
20:28	thestringpuller	you don't have to be poor...
20:28	chatquack	heh, but rich in life
20:30	chatquack	Also, I bough land a couple of weeks ago. It turns out that I can pay for it in 3 years with blood plasma alone.
20:30	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.0594 = 0.1188 BTC [-]
20:30	pankkake	davout: http://i.imgur.com/bao4xlx.png - now you really deserve a spanking!
20:30	chatquack	It feels a little matrixy.
20:30	pankkake	(I'm openening a ticket, no hurry)
20:31	chatquack	might want to frame the website credintals in the same pic.
20:31	dexx	don't you know bluring is bad? :p
20:32	dexx	better black out
20:32	chatquack	deep blue
20:32	pankkake	true. it's the bluring of Shutter, I don't know how well it's done
20:33	chatquack	Well, either wait it out or start screaming 'gox'.
20:34	chatquack	Iv've got to pee so badly.
20:34	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [COG] 43 @ 0.0081 = 0.3483 BTC [+] {2}
20:34	pankkake	peecrastinator?
20:36	chatquack	it's done
20:36	chatquack	HA
20:37	chatquack	pee
20:37	chatquack	fuck I need to eat food that isn't beer.
20:37	chatquack	or do i?
20:38	pankkake	it's not paleo, don't eat beer
20:38	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 17000 @ 0.00015218 = 2.5871 BTC [-] {9}
20:38	chatquack	well, I'd still be drinking it
20:39	*	chatquack puts on some King Crimson
20:39	chatquack	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Ubc5_owhl0
20:39	ozbot	King Crimson - 21st Century Schizoid Man - YouTube
20:40	pankkake	https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=67547.msg6061595#msg6061595 big red wordz
20:40	ozbot	Starting a new FPGA mining farm/contract Cognitive Resurrected on[Havelock]
20:40	chatquack	*turns it up to 5.11*
20:41	*	chatquack 's ears begin bleeding
20:41	thestringpuller	lol king crimson
20:41	chatquack	*headbangs whilest spraing blood*
20:41	thestringpuller	Damn I'm starting to hate havelock
20:41	thestringpuller	I hope my bet wins
20:42	kakobrekla	lol pankkake
20:42	pankkake	as of this week I have nothing in havelock
20:42	pankkake	yay
20:43	pankkake	(I also have not much coins)
20:43	mgio_	good for you pancake
20:43	pankkake	well, still divided by about 2 or 3 what I put in
20:44	chatquack	havelock is for children! (can someone explain what havelock is?)!
20:44	mgio_	do you think they will allow trading for neobee again soon?
20:44	pankkake	no idea I don't even understand any of the statements
20:44	mgio_	i dont see why they dont allow it now, people are trading on the forums anyways
20:44	*	chatquack grin begins to widen.
20:44	thestringpuller	;;estimate
20:44	gribble	Next difficulty estimate | 6015744763.58 based on data since last change | 6889012087.61 based on data for last three days
20:45	thestringpuller	http://bitbet.us/bet/617/and-then-there-was-one/
20:45	chatquack	8b?
20:46	chatquack	oh, havelock :|
20:46	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 7999 @ 0.00016119 = 1.2894 BTC [+] {5}
20:46	chatquack	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=adgkDhCjMXw
20:46	ozbot	King Crimson - I Talk To The Wind (HQ) - YouTube
20:47	*	chatquack whisltes real good like
20:47	dexx	are you gecko_x2?
20:48	thestringpuller	!ticker h rent
20:48	assbot	[HAVELOCK:RENT] 1D: 0.00750000 / 0.0075 / 0.00750000 (108 shares, 0.81000000 BTC), 7D: 0.00600002 / 0.00739265 / 0.00750000 (19004 shares, 140.48993046 BTC), 30D: 0.00510111 / 0.00622803 / 0.00900001 (53743 shares, 334.71301440 BTC)
20:48	chatquack	gecko?
20:53	chatquack	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AKQKUBrxyBc
20:53	ozbot	King Crimson - Epitaph (HQ) - YouTube
20:54	chatquack	~Confusion will be my epitaph.~
20:55	Ukyo	mgio_: ping
20:56	chatquack	~The fate of all mankind I see, Is in the hands of fools.~
20:56	chatquack	Oh fuck! WE run this place.
20:57	*	chatquack headbangs more.
21:00	chatquack	~Confusion will be my epitaph. As I crawl a cracked and broken path. If we make it we can all sit back and laugh. But I fear tomorrow I'll be crying, Yes I fear tomorrow I'll be crying...~
21:00	kakobrekla	are you sure you are on the right chan?
21:00	chatquack	no, no I am not sure.
21:01	kakobrekla	well then revisit that question
21:01	SatoshiJack	;;ident
21:01	gribble	Nick 'SatoshiJack', with hostmask 'SatoshiJack!d05aad12@gateway/web/freenode/ip.208.90.173.18', is not identified.
21:01	antephialtic	so, I want to bootstrap my WoT rating, I've been lurking in this channel for a couple months now.
21:01	*	chatquack whisper in kakobrekla, "You are a god."
21:02	antephialtic	I can do short term programming work for hire, at reduced rates as I have no trust ratings
21:02	chatquack	ear...there was suposed to be "ear" somewhere in there.
21:02	*	chatquack wanders off.
21:02	SatoshiJack	;;gpg eauth
21:02	gribble	(gpg eauth <nick>) -- Initiate authentication for user <nick>. You must have registered a GPG key with the bot for this to work. You will be given a link to a page which contains a one time password encrypted with your key. Decrypt, and use the 'everify' command with it. Your passphrase will expire in 10 minutes.
21:03	SatoshiJack	;;gpg eauth SatoshiJack
21:03	gribble	Request successful for user SatoshiJack, hostmask SatoshiJack!d05aad12@gateway/web/freenode/ip.208.90.173.18. Get your encrypted OTP from http://bitcoin-otc.com/otps/5A0C8593D887E89E
21:03	kakobrekla	antephialtic thats prolly not a bad way to go about it.
21:03	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [COG] 22 @ 0.00812899 = 0.1788 BTC [+] {4}
21:04	SatoshiJack	;;gpg eauth SatoshiJack freenode:#bitcoin-otc:ab5ae4d79e1c9e44f5c140ec470d05f17517356025c972825cd0d9e6
21:04	gribble	(gpg eauth <nick>) -- Initiate authentication for user <nick>. You must have registered a GPG key with the bot for this to work. You will be given a link to a page which contains a one time password encrypted with your key. Decrypt, and use the 'everify' command with it. Your passphrase will expire in 10 minutes.
21:04	antephialtic	kakobrekla: yep, seems better than the whole "borrow btc for 1 week and repay"
21:04	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [COG] 62 @ 0.00951982 = 0.5902 BTC [+] {4}
21:05	kakobrekla	anyway, as mp mentioned a day or two ago, these ideas on what to code to boost your wot come across -assets ~weekly.
21:06	kakobrekla	im sure there was at least one in the last week
21:06	dignork	antephialtic, I'd suggest you auth first, just to show that you know what you;re talking about
21:07	kakobrekla	i think someone mentioned doing a bitbet audit. thats free for the grabs
21:07	antephialtic	just did
21:09	dignork	kakobrekla, you mean source code audit, or just blackbox tinkering?
21:09	BingoBoingo	dignork: I believe financial audit
21:09	kakobrekla	^^
21:10	kakobrekla	its very simple
21:10	kakobrekla	and good community work
21:10	kakobrekla	:)
21:11	antephialtic	ah, I thought you meant security audit. I'm probably not the best choice for that type of work
21:11	kakobrekla	why?
21:11	BingoBoingo	Scan bitbet addresses and blockr.io and make a tool that returns yes or no for "Can BitBet pay out Bets"\
21:11	kakobrekla	you dont actually need to code the 'no' part.
21:12	antephialtic	well, I know all the basic stuff to look out for like SQL injection, XSRF, XSS, etc, but I haven't actually audited someone elses code before
21:12	antephialtic	but I could do a financial audit
21:12	kakobrekla	yes a financial is what we are discussing here
21:12	kakobrekla	anyway brb
21:13	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1900 @ 0.00095781 = 1.8198 BTC [-]
21:14	chatquack	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1IOYD9AkqHE
21:14	ozbot	King Crimson - The Court of the Crimson King (In the Court of the Crimson King) - YouTube
21:15	antephialtic	;;later tell kakobrekla cool, if all the info is public I'll probably do it this weekend. will PM you for details tomorrow.
21:15	gribble	The operation succeeded.
21:19	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15500 @ 0.00095776 = 14.8453 BTC [-] {2}
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21:34	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.06309169 = 0.3155 BTC [+] {2}
21:38	mircea_popescu	;;later tell antephialtic what sort of programming do you do ? maybe make that bitbet scrapper thing
21:38	gribble	The operation succeeded.
21:38	mircea_popescu	ThickAsThieves you around ?
21:39	mircea_popescu	SatoshiJack you say ;;gpg everify freenode:#bitcoin-otc:ab5ae4d79blabla
21:39	mircea_popescu	darn BingoBoingo beat me to it
21:40	kakobrekla	what is a bitbet scrapper
21:41	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 9 @ 0.06039 = 0.5435 BTC [+]
21:41	mircea_popescu	kakobrekla what you two were discussing above.
21:41	mircea_popescu	scrap the address list check balances
21:41	kakobrekla	a.
21:45	SatoshiJack	got it thanks...
21:45	SatoshiJack	I don't need to be there yet....
21:46	mircea_popescu	;;ident SatoshiJack
21:46	gribble	Nick 'SatoshiJack', with hostmask 'SatoshiJack!d05aad12@gateway/web/freenode/ip.208.90.173.18', is identified as user 'SatoshiJack', with GPG key id 5A0C8593D887E89E, key fingerprint BFAC5777A91C88D4F021C28B5A0C8593D887E89E, and bitcoin address None
21:46	mircea_popescu	wd.
21:46	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 10 @ 0.04338131 = 0.4338 BTC [+]
21:46	mircea_popescu	pankkake pls pay 10k atc to SatoshiJack
21:47	pankkake	ok, give me an address
21:47	SatoshiJack	Hold a sec mp...let me look up atc for a min...
21:47	pankkake	ahah
21:47	mircea_popescu	give p an address when ready
21:47	SatoshiJack	will do thanks.
21:47	mircea_popescu	it's just bitcoin code on diff genblock basically.
21:47	pankkake	well, I'm going to bed, I'll send tomorrow likely
21:47	mircea_popescu	works
21:49	tg2	guys can I do some free brogramming for you to get otc ratingz
21:49	tg2	i can program in visual basic
21:49	tg2	and html
21:49	danielpbarron	you can't program html
21:50	tg2	nonsense, i'm programming it right now
21:50	tg2	<html>
21:50	tg2	see
21:50	danielpbarron	i see some markup language; no programming language
21:50	tg2	i also program css
21:50	*	danielpbarron stabs tg2
21:50	tg2	lol
21:52	tg2	;;later benkay - i have some html programming expertise to lend in exchange for otc
21:52	gribble	Error: The "Later" plugin is loaded, but there is no command named "benkay" in it. Try "list Later" to see the commands in the "Later" plugin.
21:53	tg2	;;later tell benkay - i have some html programming expertise to lend in exchange for otc
21:53	gribble	The operation succeeded.
21:53	danielpbarron	why not just buy a rating
21:53	tg2	thats a sock thing to do
21:53	danielpbarron	it would be worth just as much
21:53	tg2	nvm just gonna sell some drugs on otc
21:54	danielpbarron	how is trading money for a rating any different than trading labor for a rating?
21:54	kakobrekla	html is not a programming language
21:54	nubbins`	^
21:54	tg2	http://i.imgur.com/6VoUJAb.jpg
21:54	danielpbarron	you should trade your labor for money and then get a rating for that transaction; that would be the legit thing to do
21:54	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21300 @ 0.00095785 = 20.4022 BTC [+] {2}
21:54	kakobrekla	asciilifeform , mebbe this explains coder vs programmer thingy :)
21:54	tg2	not sure if reverse trolling or genuinely trolled
21:55	tg2	trollception paradox
21:55	nubbins`	heh
21:55	tg2	lol I wager nubbins` got it
21:55	tg2	lol
21:55	nubbins`	html, while not a programming language, can be just as frustrating
21:55	*	danielpbarron is very gullible when it comes to others pretending to be idiots
21:55	*	tg2 understands given the propency for idiots
21:55	nubbins`	;;google propency
21:55	gribble	proponency - Wiktionary: <http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/proponency>; proponent - definition of proponent by the Free Online Dictionary ...: <http://www.thefreedictionary.com/proponent>; Army Comptroller Proponency (PO) - Office of the ASA (FMC): <http://asafm.army.mil/offices/office.aspx?officecode=1800>
21:55	kakobrekla	so can knitting, nubbins`
21:56	nubbins`	kakobrekla no kidding, ever see notation for making a pair of gloves?!
21:56	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 8 @ 0.0619 = 0.4952 BTC [-]
22:02	BingoBoingo	So... more tornados on the way
22:04	mircea_popescu	html is a derpgraming language
22:04	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10309 @ 0.00095751 = 9.871 BTC [-]
22:05	tg2	inb4 nodehtml
22:14	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15600 @ 0.00095878 = 14.957 BTC [+]
22:17	mircea_popescu	;;later tell bitcoinpete "measuring GDP is more a function of measuring what they can measure rather than what’s worth measuring" haha, this is like your first article i actually like. braver.
22:17	gribble	The operation succeeded.
22:26	kakobrekla	logs sitemap submitted to big brother. perhaps it will make search work better.
22:26	mircea_popescu	;;later tell bitcoinpete the cpi is in fact in question. http://trilema.com/2013/the-wonder-of-inflation/
22:26	gribble	The operation succeeded.
22:27	mircea_popescu	kakobrekla forward soviet!
22:27	kakobrekla	:)
22:30	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 52 @ 0.10144642 = 5.2752 BTC [-]
22:32	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [COG] 11 @ 0.01289986 = 0.1419 BTC [+] {4}
22:35	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [COG] 6 @ 0.02249999 = 0.135 BTC [+] {3}
22:37	ThickAsThieves	<mircea_popescu> ThickAsThieves you around ? /// i am now
22:38	ThickAsThieves	so the forum says i'm in cahoots with you now
22:38	BingoBoingo	http://deadspin.com/matt-adams-shoves-fan-after-diving-for-foul-ball-fan-f-1557858900
22:38	ozbot	Matt Adams Shoves Fan After Diving For Foul Ball; Fan Flips The Bird
22:38	ThickAsThieves	i guess i finally made it
22:41	*	nubbins` claps
22:41	BingoBoingo	Chicago
22:41	BingoBoingo	http://deadspin.com/white-sox-games-are-eerily-empty-1557725119
22:41	ozbot	White Sox Games Are Eerily Empty
22:43	ThickAsThieves	if only a handful of people attended, why are they in the shitty seats?
22:43	mircea_popescu	ThickAsThieves check this shit out :
22:43	mircea_popescu	SatoshiJack.com
22:43	mircea_popescu	Just-Blackjack.com
22:43	mircea_popescu	guy's adding atc support as we speak, help him out will ye :D
22:43	ThickAsThieves	who is he?
22:44	BingoBoingo	ThickAsThieves: Because they dunno how to move
22:44	ThickAsThieves	do we trust him?
22:44	mircea_popescu	i have no idea, he just started talking at me one day. SatoshiJack
22:44	mircea_popescu	well, i sent him some atc and we see.
22:44	ThickAsThieves	cool cool
22:44	ThickAsThieves	SatoshiJack come hang out when you get a chance
22:45	ThickAsThieves	"MP sent TAT in as a sleeper agent from the beginning. Just waiting for the rest of his troll army to get the forums all riled up, and then use their combined mind control with TAT's relationship with Danny to make all the coins disappear."
22:45	ThickAsThieves	get out of my head!
22:45	mircea_popescu	that's not an actual quote is it ?
22:45	ThickAsThieves	it is
22:46	BingoBoingo	link?
22:46	mircea_popescu	these people are braindamaged srsly.
22:46	ThickAsThieves	https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=553869.msg6062760#msg6062760
22:46	ozbot	NEO and BEE talk (unmoderated)
22:46	mircea_popescu	dude he's trolling them
22:46	ThickAsThieves	yeah
22:46	chetty	everything is a conspiracy
22:47	ThickAsThieves	but it comes after real conspricies
22:47	SatoshiJack	here....
22:47	ThickAsThieves	;;gettrust SatoshiJack
22:47	gribble	Currently authenticated from hostmask SatoshiJack!d05aad12@gateway/web/freenode/ip.208.90.173.18. Trust relationship from user ThickAsThieves to user SatoshiJack: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=ThickAsThieves&dest=SatoshiJack | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=SatoshiJack | Rated since: never
22:47	ThickAsThieves	do you have a WoT SatoshiJack?
22:48	mircea_popescu	he justmade it.
22:48	ThickAsThieves	word
22:48	SatoshiJack	TAT--we've delt biz in the past --I'll PM you my personal email....sometime....I've used your services before.
22:48	ThickAsThieves	heh ok
22:48	mircea_popescu	" but I had to eliminate most of MP's claims, just cause he's typically full of shit like that"
22:48	ThickAsThieves	you might add some ATC support?
22:48	mircea_popescu	;;seen velacreations
22:48	gribble	velacreations was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 6 days, 5 hours, 9 minutes, and 33 seconds ago: <velacreations> thanks guys
22:48	mircea_popescu	;;later tell velacreations are you like fucktarded or something ?
22:48	gribble	The operation succeeded.
22:49	ThickAsThieves	yeah that vela dude is a nightmare from way back
22:49	SatoshiJack	Already in motion...
22:49	ThickAsThieves	i forget why
22:49	SatoshiJack	and I just pointed a miner over to the alt pool...
22:49	ThickAsThieves	sweet!
22:49	ThickAsThieves	i'm not allowed to mine any
22:49	ThickAsThieves	for a while wasnt even allowd to own any
22:49	SatoshiJack	Understood ;)
22:50	SatoshiJack	I'm ranked #1 on the pool :(
22:50	ThickAsThieves	it's like 1TH or so?
22:50	ThickAsThieves	there's a channel btw #altcoin
22:50	mircea_popescu	you're not allowed to mine any ?
22:50	SatoshiJack	nope sorry I'm number 4 ;)
22:50	ThickAsThieves	we've mostly overrun it for our own purposes
22:50	ThickAsThieves	yep
22:50	ThickAsThieves	i gave my word mp
22:51	ThickAsThieves	that i would never mine any
22:51	ThickAsThieves	no premine, no mine ever
22:51	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15700 @ 0.00095701 = 15.0251 BTC [-] {2}
22:51	ThickAsThieves	not sure it could be proven, but it's true
22:51	BingoBoingo	ThickAsThieves: Replied https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=553869.msg6062931#msg6062931
22:51	ThickAsThieves	i also hate mining
22:52	ThickAsThieves	sooo not too hard to obey
22:52	mircea_popescu	can you even mine any ?
22:52	mircea_popescu	ah yes ok then :p
22:52	ThickAsThieves	i still have some fancy GPUs in static bags
22:53	ThickAsThieves	sold most after i made all my money back and more on LTC mining
22:53	ThickAsThieves	i had to use one today cuz the GPU in my wife's pc died
22:53	ThickAsThieves	so there's that
22:54	ThickAsThieves	BingoBoingo, best not to encourage them
22:54	ThickAsThieves	they dont know whats what
22:54	mircea_popescu	the goons are getting bored in there, gotta stir the pot.
22:54	mircea_popescu	ThickAsThieves watch it all end up being your fault.
22:55	ThickAsThieves	vela probly wont stop til it is
22:55	BingoBoingo	ThickAsThieves: We have to support the Drama or MP loses the Berkshire bet
22:55	mircea_popescu	http://24.media.tumblr.com/2834294b16d828383734c83c38aac08c/tumblr_mk98brAk7N1rihpaso1_500.jpg << moiety is that a manul ?
22:55	ThickAsThieves	the sad thing is, you cant even tell these people any wild theory is wrong
22:55	ThickAsThieves	theyll just seek some other one
22:56	CheckDavid	Awesome English mircea_popescu
22:56	mircea_popescu	CheckDavid hm ?
22:56	ThickAsThieves	dang that girl's bod!
22:56	BingoBoingo	ThickAsThieves: them feed them wilder theories
22:57	ThickAsThieves	i need to behave
22:57	ThickAsThieves	cant go dicking around in the matter
22:57	mircea_popescu	she's great isn't she.
22:58	CheckDavid	Your article mircea_popescu for fuck's sake
22:58	mircea_popescu	i have like 8k articles.
22:58	CheckDavid	The last one you posted
22:58	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25600 @ 0.00095656 = 24.4879 BTC [-]
22:58	mircea_popescu	a a
22:58	CheckDavid	OK never mind
22:59	mircea_popescu	yeah, i still dunno what you meant :p
22:59	CheckDavid	Actually the last one posted in this chat room
22:59	CheckDavid	I thought it was you linking it.
23:00	mircea_popescu	so basically... you're confused :)
23:00	ThickAsThieves	omg SatoshiJack get rid of that Are you sure you want to leave this page? popup
23:00	ThickAsThieves	ultra scammy
23:01	ThickAsThieves	unless of course youre a scammer
23:01	ThickAsThieves	in that case leave it
23:10	chetty	http://www.testosteronepit.com/home/2014/4/3/turns-out-even-the-price-of-beer-is-rigged.html
23:10	ozbot	Testosterone Pit - Home - Turns Out, Even The Price of Beer Is Rigged
23:12	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22850 @ 0.00095797 = 21.8896 BTC [+] {2}
23:17	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13500 @ 0.00095923 = 12.9496 BTC [+] {2}
23:18	SatoshiJack	TAT --- right now we are focused on game play/engine --- The front page is not set in stone by any means --- but check out the chats and the sit at a table -- register an account -- and play.
23:20	SatoshiJack	join my table :)
23:23	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19300 @ 0.00095972 = 18.5226 BTC [+] {2}
23:25	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 291 @ 0.00567893 = 1.6526 BTC [+] {5}
23:25	MisterE	http://www.examiner.com/article/secret-google-meeting-targeted-internet-freedom-iran
23:25	ozbot	Secret Google meeting targeted Internet freedom in Iran - San Francisco Technology | Examiner.com
23:37	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15875 @ 0.00096046 = 15.2473 BTC [+] {3}
23:37	BingoBoingo	;;ticker --market all
23:37	gribble	Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 436.24, vol: 22241.00865357 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 436.021, vol: 19481.42811 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 438.6, vol: 20965.51969093 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 432.87, vol: 156.11726094 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 424.333512, vol: 6938.87890000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 447.54221, vol: 23.20186889 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 447.386625, vol: 74.73693948 | Volume-weighted last (1 more message)
23:39	BingoBoingo	;;more
23:39	gribble	average: 435.712870165
23:47	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.608 BTC [-]
23:48	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9850 @ 0.00095656 = 9.4221 BTC [-]
23:51	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.61889899 BTC [+]
23:59	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 12 @ 0.04329999 = 0.5196 BTC [-] {2}

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