#trilema | 2013-12-03

i must be too refined..

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I'd rather go eat some thing from McDonalds which is probably very bad for me, than eat something like this.

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ever been hungry?

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=agRzpnS_FGw

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The Doom Generation (1995) Trailer - YouTube

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not hungry enough to go catch something like this and eat it..now boar..I'll hunt and eat the hell out of wild boar..about 20 miles from where i live, my 4x4 .45 sidepiece and 12 gauge shotgun, its on...knife, winch and hunting dogs ready to go.

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Pig/boar is DELICIOUS

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[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 46 @ 0.00335089 = 0.1541 BTC [-] {4}

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i'm digging into some sourdough, kielbasa, and cheddar right now

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I4s0nzsU1Wg

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A Country Boy Can Survive - YouTube

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z49Pn07Hg9M

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04 In The Bush With Malcolm Douglas S01E05 - YouTube

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most of Australia is undeveloped right

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the Aboriginal Australians are funny to me

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now they are eating giant lizards..i bet it tastes like chicken

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its the end of the earth

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yeah, nothing but water from there eh

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or do you mean the earth is going to end?

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and the begginning

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no i mean its the land that time forgot

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right

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thats how i see it

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unspoiled

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any moar trilema/dtng?

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need pix

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one thing i have found is that there are A LOT of local rap artists with A LOT of talent and good songs

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talent everewheres

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i love that about the internetz..otherwise wouldnt have been noticed.

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=--vxPnqJdgo

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Black Grape - Words - YouTube

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hm, interesting. a week ago the btc/usd 7 day volatility was the highest its been since August 2011

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i know, that is interesting!

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thanks, i thought so too.

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http://bitbet.us/bet/635/1btc-10-000-usd/

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BitBet - 1BTC >= $10,000 USD

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somebody caught on to the trick. dump a bunch of money in early and kill the late guys. a good move.

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oh wait, "somebody" :) http://bitbet.us/stats/1K4FswVNus5xJZJ6TYqAzWSy3tXBBFdGnM/

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chsados

mike_c: what is he doing exactly?

00:58

you get a bunch of money in early, at a high weight.

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when more money comes in late, at a low weight, you make money.

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chsados

it seems like he is betting heavy on both sides though - how does that become profitable

00:59

if a lot of money comes in both sides it works out. if it goes heavily slanted one way the whole time, not so much.

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or if there just isn't any action, then you'll lose out on the fees.

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so it's basically a wager on "this bet will be popular"

~ 1 hours 21 minutes ~

02:23

[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 100 @ 0.00330777 = 0.3308 BTC [-] {6}

~ 2 hours 9 minutes ~

04:33

"Through fixing this outstanding issue with BitFunder/WeExchange it will be a good thing for Neo & Bee and the Bitcoin community as a whole." :|

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yes, lesson for everyone

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04:56

davout

hi

04:56

heya

04:59

ohai

~ 27 minutes ~

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[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 50 @ 0.00330005 = 0.165 BTC [-]

~ 40 minutes ~

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[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 30 @ 0.34999465 = 10.4998 BTC [+] {6}

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[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 5 @ 0.35 = 1.75 BTC [+] {3}

~ 26 minutes ~

06:36

!t m s.mpoe

06:36

[MPEX:S.MPOE] 1D: 0.00078278 / 0.00078644 / 0.00079404 (33174 shares, 26.09 BTC), 7D: 0.00078278 / 0.00079894 / 0.0008476 (1274477 shares, 1,018.24 BTC), 30D: 0.0007725 / 0.00081822 / 0.00088996 (5987510 shares, 4,899.14 BTC)

06:36

!t m s.bbet

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[MPEX:S.BBET] 1D: 0 / 0 / 0 (0 shares, 0 BTC), 7D: 0.0005 / 0.0007278 / 0.00075 (35000 shares, 25.47 BTC), 30D: 0.00045 / 0.00066899 / 0.00075 (45235 shares, 30.26 BTC)

06:43

[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 91 @ 0.00341325 = 0.3106 BTC [+] {8}

~ 17 minutes ~

07:01

[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 13 @ 0.34000051 = 4.42 BTC [-] {3}

~ 50 minutes ~

07:51

lol i'm reading a local article about city gov not paying its "futures" to the electric co

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all the "fancy words" are in quotes like that

07:53

it's words from the evil faceless finance word

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world

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they even have "impact fees" in quotes, something this rag discusses often

08:07

mixing visualized: http://thinkdifferent.ly/stuff/sheep-bitcoin/ + http://www.newstatesman.com/future-proof/2013/12/theres-%C2%A360m-bitcoin-heist-going-down-right-now-and-you-can-watch-real-time

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http://live.huffingtonpost.com/r/archive/segment/kalief-browder-prison-guards-starved-me/529d1ac2fe34441ee5000416 TAT when looking like some1 else goes extremely bad

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[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 4 @ 0.35099697 = 1.404 BTC [+]

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was looking like someone "being black"?

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fuck, 16 year old

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nice childhood

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they arrested him for looking like Urkel

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yea trying to watch the video

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firefox will not allow!

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http://online.barrons.com/article/SB50001424053111903302604579234163250372446.html

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PayPal Could Embrace Bitcoin - Barrons.com

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nvm this is just some analyst

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thought it was actual news

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tldr 'I bought bitcoins, here's some PayPal hype"

08:24

somewhat related,

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http://trilema.com/2013/the-art-of-making-friends-and-influencing-people-versus-stockholm-syndrome/

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The art of making friends and influencing people versus Stockholm Syndrome pe Trilema - Un blog de M

08:26

you klnow

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its kinda funny

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Im richer than MP

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orly

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he says he has thousands and thousands and thousands of bitcoins

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I dont actually believe him

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so going on what he makes on mpex, which is very little because no one uses it

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u want to prove ur wallet is bigger than his wallet lol

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I am, in fact, richer than mp

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i wouldnt know about the traffic

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truffles: bitcoin wallet only?

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oh i c

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because he probably has more bitcoins than me atm

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I cashed out quite a few into dollars

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why do u have to prove u have more?

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I dont

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Im just tired of hearing him talk

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oh

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Seriously, nobody cares how many slave women he has

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he is kinda polorizing maybe

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(hint: he actually has zero, he says he has like three)

08:28

what the fuck would you even NEED 3 slave women for

08:29

the man only has one penis

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jesus who the fuck do i still have on ignore

08:29

u sure, Rominia looks kinda poor

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i thought i cleared it

08:29

Diablo-D3

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mircea_popescu: me, you jackass

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oh

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maybe next year.

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lol.

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haha

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truffles: and this is why no one likes mircea_popescu

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rly, seems like he has bunch of fans in here

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I wouldnt call them fans

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more like people who tolerate him and also want slave women

08:30

Hearing about his slaves is a LOT more interesting that your paleo diet. Just sayin'.

08:30

well the fact that they have to be slaves is kinda not cool imo

08:30

I like both paleo and slave women. which side do I chose?

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pankkake: mmm bbqed slaves

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unless he's just saying theyre slaves..

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truffles: they're not actually slaves

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they're slaves in the bdsm sense

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ohh

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seriously?

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you didnt get that?

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lol

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i think of human trafficing when its mentioned *blush*

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dear God, no

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he just has (well, says he has) a collection of women that like to be used and abused

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well then thats what theyre into..

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truffles whoi has to be a slave ?

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whips, being tied up, getting brutally fucked, being kept in a cage when not in use, that sort of thing

08:34

mp u bdsm women

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ur*

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mp you could solve your ignore problem by adding truffles too

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kinda dont have sympathy for ppl who chose it though

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since he's the only one taking D3 seriously

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its what they want

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ThickAsThieves: wtf man

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this is true... but i got the spirit of xmas earlier

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lol

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ThickAsThieves: so what, you actually think he actually bought slave women?

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TAT ure so mean

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D3 it is absolutely inconsequential to me what MP does for his personal life

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I mean, if he actually HAS bought slaves, I know a guy at interpol

08:36

i'm feeling grinchy...

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TAT what is your problem with me and Diablo-D3

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anyway, nobody has to be a slave. it's a voluntary arrangement, and it has its advantages. chief among which that you're about 10x as quick to learn as a slave.

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I think that was the first "mean" accusation for me, have I really made it?

08:37

he doesnt like fine chocolates or evil incarnate

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TAT snarky > mean

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pls spell it "snarky", like "futures"

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i remember being in grade school having to write little page about Christmas,

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I put Santa Claus in quotes like that

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Diablo-D3 what have u done to make u evil?

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and the teacher marked it up, and said it might imply that i dont think Santa is real

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well...

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ThickAsThieves: wow

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you could have been rich

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you could have sued the school for forcing religious doctrine on you

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...

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i was also going to Catechism at that age

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which religion is santa?

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capitalism?

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so kinda stupid to make religion accusations

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CocaColaism

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so ure atheist as an adult

08:43

I don't believe in Santa Claus. We had Ded Moroz from Siberia instead.

08:43

atheism is too narrow a term

08:43

agnostic?

08:43

the wonders of the universe remain unexplained

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I believe God is a scientist.

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Im that kind of guy

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after some years the science changes..

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I believe I am God, you're just part of my imagination

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"the more I study science, the more I believe in God"

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who said that

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i only know teh "I think, therefore I am."

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Einstein

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ThickAsThieves: Einstein was a very smart man, hes very underappreciated

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overappreciated imo

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probly one of my "if you could have lunch with anyone" targets

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did he steal some of his discoveries?...

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id pick Tesla

08:47

"Good artists borrow, great artists steal"

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who said that

08:47

herr jobs

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Picasso, baby

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oh thought it was Neal Caffrey

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lol

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"Neoteny is not necessarily limited to physical features however. Currently, a large minority with perhaps a view of soon becoming majority of English speaking adults exhibit psychological neoteny, the sad state wherein their body has long reached maturity while their mind is still continuing adolescence"

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i assumed this to be majority prevelent for quite some time

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like Amy sorta

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people just frozen in grade/high school

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mentally

08:51

yeah

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but thats because high school is broken

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its psychological damage inflicted by the state to make good workers

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problem is, we dont need workers

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we need free thinkers

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as many as possible

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oh god no

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have you seen all the free thinkers on reddit?

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aren't they all in school?

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ThickAsThieves: I said free thinkers, not faggots with too much karma

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35 and in school, probly

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reddit is pure faggotry, I dont know how people stand it

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u hate gays too

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dam

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truffles: I neither hate nor like gays

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I find their taste in men to be strange.

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Diablo-D3 then id like to know what u consider normal

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truffles: boobs and a vagina.

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truffles: btw, you were supposed to say "whats wrong with their taste in men"

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whats wrong with it

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they have one

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i try not to judge

08:58

the former christian in me :)

08:58

truffles: if you want to participate in the comedy, you need to learn when someone is trying to setup a joke

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heh, the christian in me is fine with people being gay

08:59

question, why does nethash measurement vary so greatly among measurers?

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as long as they treat their partner with a respect and be part of the community and, well, not have AIDS

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Im totally okay with it

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reddit common beliefs: 1) we are a nice community 2) academia teaches you everything you need 3) fedoras are cool

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just please, no bearded men kissing

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what measurers?

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just dont do it

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pankkake: 3 is true, btw

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fedoras arent cool

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http://bitcoincharts.com/bitcoin/ http://bitcoinwisdom.com/bitcoin/difficulty http://bitcoindifficulty.com/ and gribble

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Bitcoin Charts / Bitcoin Network

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fezzes are.

09:00

;;nethash

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6400549.04237

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ThickAsThieves look at the age breakdown : http://www.censusscope.org/us/chart_age_graph_1.gif

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if you exclude under 15 say, it's quite hard for the thin sliver at the bottom to outnumber the fat peak

09:01

bitcoinwisdow says "last 504 blocks", don't know for others

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why dont they all at least note an estimate based on blocks solved since last diff?

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well that's not really *current* nethash then

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pankkake fedoras are kinda cool tho

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well certainly relevant no?

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yes i also like more recent estimating

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but yknow

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http://blockexplorer.com/q/estimate

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it depends on what you want to know

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is that gribble's source?

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I think gribble uses blockchain.info, because when they're broken he's broken

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at least for tslb

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;;estimate

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Next difficulty estimate | 883217070.437 based on data since last change | 894132728.373 based on data for last three days

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ThickAsThieves i suspect they don't include that because it's so easy to calculate on your own

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a nm, it actually is included

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hats are often a tool of imposters

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so why is this one so off?

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http://bitcoincharts.com/bitcoin/

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Bitcoin Charts / Bitcoin Network

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that's copied off sipa's site. why is it off ?

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Difficulty707,408,283

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Next Difficulty

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in 1316 blocks

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782,843,943

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Network Hashrate

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Terahashs/s

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5603.82

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;;bcstats

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09:06

;;nethash

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6400549.04237

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;;estimate

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Next difficulty estimate | 883652397.234 based on data since last change | 894132728.373 based on data for last three days

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Next Difficulty Estimate: 883652397.234 == 883652397.234 based on data since last change

09:07

and obviously nethash != difficulty.

09:07

Gribble nethash: 6400549.04237

09:07

btc charts nethash: 5603.82

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the 5.6k was at the time of last change

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so it's the avg for past 2 weeks ending 13 days ago

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it wasnt 5.6

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it was like 5

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maybe it's rolling window past 2 weeks ?

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it must be an arbitray sample time

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yeah

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arbitrary*

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anyway, the chances to find the actual nethash within an arbitrary precision are a function of that precision.

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either way, I'd appreciate it if miners kept it to less than 1PH added in the next 3 weeks :)

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o wow shiot look at that, 25%

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dude you're toast.

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i accepted that risk at the time

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havent given up hope though

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1PH is a lot to add

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well yeah it's far from cut and dried yet

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hoping this was a burst

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tbh it looked unlikely.

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I guess I might have to forgo that new Buick

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hehe

09:16

you're dumping your gpus and started to buy asics?

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me? no way

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mining sux

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not it blows

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hot air

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hehe

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there is no blowing without sucking

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other than maybe those Dyson fans

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i bought some gpus, but i somehow feel like a sucker, because now is probably the best time to resell that stuff.. maybe i'll even do likewise before it arrives. a 7950 on ebay is worth 250-300+ eur here :D

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O_o

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300 euros ?! wtf.

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it's an old card.

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apparently euro is not worth anything any more

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older, yes, but hash/watt efficient

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hehe

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and they're not made anymore

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but i mean... wait, they;re not being bought to be used as gamingdevices ?

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people still buythem to mine ?

09:26

[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 8 @ 0.35074922 = 2.806 BTC [-] {3}

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yes

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right now probably, given that the R9 generation doesn't look much more costly…

09:27

[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.35099897 BTC [+]

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litecoin mining diff finally went up after months of ups and downs

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[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 56 @ 0.00195 = 0.1092 BTC [-]

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so basically if asics had never happened, bitcoin diff would be 10k

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yeah. and dead

09:31

is anyone fpga-ing litecoin yet ?

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afaik it's not very efficient

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compared to gpus

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cause nobody wrote a proper chip yet ?

09:32

a, the ram issue.

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you want to have a lot of fast accessible memory

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yup

09:33

[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.35099897 BTC [+]

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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5053 @ 0.00080601 = 4.0728 BTC [+]

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mircea_popescu: Neither of those search requests return any results for me.

09:41

now that's odd

09:41

I thought so too.

09:41

[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.35099897 BTC [+]

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whoa. me either,.

09:42

;;google site:trilema.com epifania

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http://trilema.com/2013/the-ocr-lol-of-today/ http://trilema.com/2013 ...: <http://trilema.com/wp_db_sitemap.php>

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The OCR lol of today pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.

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THAT however shows me the article topmost.

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http://anonymouse.org/cgi-bin/anon-www.cgi/http://www.google.com/search?q=site%3Atrilema.com+epifania&btnG=Search&hl=en&gbv=1 << and on a proxy too.

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site:trilema.com epifania - Google Search [Anonymoused]

09:43

i guess we don't quite fathom the extent to which google is manipulating results.

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i have a google killer idea i dont have the means to implement

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Huh. Evidently. First among 51 results when searching via proxy for me.

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i debated writing it all up and doing a kickstarter, but i truly wnat nothing to do with running a search co

09:45

maybe wtite it up and slel it to Yahoo

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and hire a copy editor too

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hehe

09:46

TomServo i suppose if you're going to censor, this is actually the correct approach : block specific searches, but index the material.

09:46

this way actual researchers can still do their work, and it remains accessible to those deemed "legitimate" of the public,

09:47

not so unlike how universities worked since abour 1200

09:47

"That feature has lead to an inflationary bubble in bitcoin-to-dollar trading, with prices fluctuating largely from one day to the next. As fewer bitcoins become available through mining, new entrants in the market may be limited, making it more difficult for the currency to increase its overall float."

09:47

ThickAsThieves : http://trilema.com/2013/bitcoin-prices-bitcoin-inflexibility/

09:47

"The increasing cost of relaying transactions may end up making the currency too expensive to manage outside of a small group of users. "

09:47

teh ppl be figuring it out a year later, and after the fact.

09:48

quotes from http://www.forbes.com/sites/tristanlouis/2013/12/02/bitcoin-at-crossroad/

09:48

dammit my trilema cookie died again

09:48

must keep teh cookies fresh!

09:51

ah ive read this article more than once

09:52

tristan louis brumhilda von forbes has not :D

09:54

"One of them is that consumers yield and submit, Bitcoin goes to somewhere in the thousand dollars per range and there’s a rush to move society away from the dysfunctional standard. Banks start taking Bitcoin deposits, Bitcoin hedge funds pop up everywhere..."

09:55

i hate you for being so damn right sometimes

09:58

:)

09:59

i disclaim all liability.

10:00

[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 107 @ 0.00206073 = 0.2205 BTC [+] {2}

10:01

still waiting for the Feds to kiss your ring tho

10:03

“This is the environment where Bitcoin could go to $1m. There is no qualitative reason, but it is trending. If I could own Bitcoin, I would. If I own 3D printing, it is just the same thing”

10:03

http://www.investmentweek.co.uk/investment-week/news/2310184/hendry-i-would-buy-bitcoin-if-i-could

10:03

Hendry: I would buy Bitcoin if I could

10:03

Hendry added equity market fundamentals do not matter at a time when policy is misaligned, emphasising instead the ‘feedback loops’ created by US quantitative easing.

10:04

more decent words in there too

~ 22 minutes ~

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[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 100 @ 0.001952 = 0.1952 BTC [+]

10:40

[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 80 @ 0.00205658 = 0.1645 BTC [+] {2}

10:53

[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.34000001 BTC [-]

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[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.34000001 BTC [-]

10:57

[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 55 @ 0.00206538 = 0.1136 BTC [+] {2}

10:58

[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 4 @ 0.34001002 = 1.36 BTC [+] {3}

10:58

http://www.businessinsider.com/knc-sells-8-million-in-miners-2013-11

10:58

KnC Sells $8 Million In Miners - Business Insider

10:58

"Lawn also claims KnC customers already create 70% of the bitcoins mined in a day. We can't verify that claim."

11:03

[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 176 @ 0.0020666 = 0.3637 BTC [+] {3}

11:06

http://dpaste.com/1491455/plain

11:06

dafuq is dis shit

11:06

also link dont work.

11:06

[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 115 @ 0.00207739 = 0.2389 BTC [+]

11:06

Users will have the opportunity to list their real companies on Seventh Continent Market starting III.Q.2014.

11:06

what is this glbse #5

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ininininception

11:07

morning

11:07

heya

11:08

[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 4 @ 0.33713866 = 1.3486 BTC [-] {3}

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https://www.havelockinvestments.com/fund.php?symbol=7C

11:12

IPOz!

11:13

i don't get it

11:13

is it like farmville for walmart products?

11:13

hrm i need to decipher this

11:14

certainly can't do so via their "info" website :(

11:15

i thought there already were seven continents, anyway?

11:15

best i can tell,

11:15

it's Second Life

11:15

lol

11:15

nod

11:16

When real money for digital goods with no return loses its shine, a skill based market place where players accumulate fame and fortune stands a chance of being a real success.

11:16

ah, so farmville with leaderboards

11:17

"When real money for digital goods with no return loses its shine"

11:17

priceless

11:18

"when you get tired of wasting money, console yourself with your huge in-game rep and 3d friends

11:18

would be nice to have a gameplay vid or more cogent explanation of what it is

11:19

yeah, brutal document

11:19

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7150 @ 0.00081374 = 5.8182 BTC [+]

11:19

offering is 250000 @ .0077

11:20

no info on what each share represents

11:21

ll

;;calc 0.0077*250000

11:21

1925

11:21

$2mn

11:21

yep

11:21

;;calc 1925*1130

11:21

2175250

11:25

any guesses on what % of the co that represents?

11:25

I'm gonna say 25%

11:25

oh i found more info

11:25

https://www.havelockinvestments.com/reportdownload.php?id=43

11:26

heh,

11:27

the 250k shares represent 8.25% of the co

11:27

23,100btc valuation

11:27

;;calc 23100*1130

11:27

26103000

11:28

fuck me

11:28

they call it a IPFO

11:28

no one wants to use my IPVO term :(

11:29

i dunno why you all feel the need to stick extra letters inthere

11:29

its silly.

11:30

its a legal thing

11:31

see, the extra letter will protect you from the authorities

11:31

yes, V makes it all legal.

11:31

cuz idiots may claim they thought it would be a real wall st IPO or such

11:31

lulz

11:31

they will be like, "ohhhh, it was *virtual*"

11:31

well no

11:31

i can't figure out what the F stands for

11:31

V stands for Vendatta

11:31

the V is for virtual currency

11:31

Vendetta

11:31

or whatever

11:32

Fund

11:32

cmon

11:32

ah

11:32

Havelock calls everything a Fund

11:32

of course, it's a fund, not a company. perfect sense.

11:32

initial public vendetta offering

11:32

completley legal.

11:32

havelock has strange meanings for a lot of terms

11:32

there are real names and headshots in the PDF

11:32

and linkedin links

11:33

oh that changes everything, headshots.

11:33

one of them has a suit and tie on. i'm sold.

11:33

run if you see beard

11:33

no beards

11:34

but one guy has two first names AND a suit

11:34

michael scott?

11:34

the whole thing is silly.

11:34

the ceo spent 14 years as a lecturer. no tenure for him!

11:36

more letters more coolness

11:37

same as with share count.

11:38

hi all

11:45

http://www.ebay.ca/itm/2013-0-5-BTC-Brass-Casascius-Physical-Bitcoin-REDEEMED-/331076143888?pt=US_World_Coins&hash=item4d15ad0b10&_uhb=1

11:45

2013 0 5 BTC Brass Casascius Physical Bitcoin Redeemed | eBay

11:45

hi goat

11:47

so it's just a piece of imprinted brass?

11:47

lel

11:47

yes

11:47

lel indeed

11:47

good for you though!

11:48

good for the guy who was buying redeemed coins hand-over-fist on the forums a few months back

11:50

better than if he bought real btc?

11:50

i'm skeptical

11:50

but possible i guess

11:50

yeah

11:50

i can't imagine he paid more than $10-20 per

11:50

and they seem to be selling on ebay for $140+, regardless of denomination

11:51

scam ammo is what they are

11:52

scammo

11:52

not cool

11:54

[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.34999988 = 0.7 BTC [+] {2}

12:03

i have like 10 of these...

12:03

at first i thought it was just idiots not realizing they were unfunded

12:03

if i get some time ill list that stuff on ebay lol

12:03

but i mean, i put REDEEMED in the title

12:03

redeemed is a tricky word

12:03

and one third of the item description is in big red letters saying "NO HOLOGRAM, NO BITCOINS"

12:03

it's pretty explicit in the description

12:03

yeah, that is hard to miss, lol

12:03

heh

12:04

honestly, i think it's people that fully understand what they're buying

12:04

and we're just underestimating the demand for them within the general public

12:05

[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 284 @ 0.00328249 = 0.9322 BTC [-] {19}

12:06

[HAVELOCK] [SMG] 5031 @ 0.00010127 = 0.5095 BTC [-] {13}

12:07

[HAVELOCK] [HMF] 32 @ 0.02654311 = 0.8494 BTC [-] {14}

12:08

[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1400 @ 0.00009617 = 0.1346 BTC [-] {4}

12:08

well it says "physical bitcoin ... containing no bitcoin"

12:08

bitfunder.com is replaced with text update

12:08

Maintenance in progress. Thank you for your patience.

12:08

The website will be back online after all changes have been completed and checked on or by Dec 4th for viewing and records.

12:09

of course i have pending xfers i cant verify...

12:10

(migrations)

12:11

dexX7: wasn't sure what else to call them, also, you'd need to be full retard to assume it contains value

12:11

gotta draw the line somewhere, otherwise you end up having your description read "DO NOT heat this coin with a blowtorch for a half hour and lay it on the tip of your penis" etc

12:12

well i rather think the buy just has no clue

12:13

"it's a bitcoin, i want it"

12:13

shrug, there's only so much i can do

12:13

i'm just trying to serve the legitimate brass token collector market

12:13

huh?

12:13

are you the seller?

12:13

have you sold any yet? get any bad feedback?

12:13

heh

12:13

yes, that's my auction

12:14

you're mean

12:14

haven't sold any yet, i was only foolish enough to peel the holo off one

12:14

dexX7: i am not!

12:14

also selling overpriced preorder items :p

12:14

read the description

12:14

you'll know what they are thinking by whether they flame you on ebay

12:14

[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 3214 @ 0.00009518 = 0.3059 BTC [-] {8}

12:14

a full one-third of the three-line description is in bright red

12:14

haha no, it's fine. as you said, you are filling the demand.

12:14

i tried to retard-proof it as best i could

12:15

and i have, in fact, had a few people cancel their bids

12:15

the only misleading line is "physical bitcoin" imo

12:15

though people tried similar stuff earlier.. like selling "iphone box without iphone inside" and got burned

12:15

ah, i see what you're saying

12:16

not sure how better to describe it tho

12:16

2013 0.5 btc brass casascius round that has a bitcoin logo on it - REDEEMED

12:16

lol

12:16

know what i mean?

12:16

yea

12:16

Bitcoin Souvenir?

12:17

collectors item

12:17

instead of souvenir

12:17

Great way to scam noobs! Buy now!

12:17

heh

12:17

hmm.. casascius calls them physical bitcoins, too

12:17

dexX7: :)

12:17

even though some of them are only physical half-bitcoins!

12:18

you can go to the ghetto and sell them as "stolen bitcoins"

12:18

real cheap!

12:18

heh

12:18

"Good condition, was only recently redeemed." ... as if the redemption date is linked to the condition :p

12:18

dexX7: i ran out of things to say ;(

12:19

i think this was intentional

12:19

ThickAsThieves: the real money would be in coating steel slugs in gold leaf and calling them "unfunded gold coins"

12:20

what would you do if a buyer contacts you in 1-2 weeks and tells you that he had no clue?

12:20

[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 61 @ 0.00311741 = 0.1902 BTC [-] {2}

12:20

dexX7: i'd invite him to read the item description

12:21

and if he feels he's been wronged, to open a dispute claim

12:21

woah lol http://www.ebay.ca/sch/Other-/257/i.html is full of x-coins

12:21

not much else i can do :)

12:22

oh wow, it really is, hey?

12:22

[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.34998998 = 0.7 BTC [-]

12:22

time for a new category like "digital coins"

12:27

<ThickAsThieves> Hendry added equity market fundamentals do not matter << he has a point, if perhaps sorely misstated.

12:28

[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 41 @ 0.00311122 = 0.1276 BTC [-] {3}

12:29

[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 50 @ 0.00311 = 0.1555 BTC [-]

12:29

<dexX7> what would you do if a buyer contacts you in 1-2 weeks and tells you that he had no clue? <<< point him to bitbet faq ?

12:30

haha yea

12:31

i was thinking about you when i raised the q :D

12:31

speaking of which, https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?PHPSESSID=9ua7hcm438d8vbnfn5b7ocdp84&topic=271711.msg3793984#msg3793984

12:31

http://www.vice.com/read/romania-pungeti-anti-fracking-protests-chevron

12:31

Romanian Villagers Managed to Keep Fracking Out of Their Backyard | VICE United States

12:32

For reference, the final Bitfunder.com shareholder list (unofficial) https://btct.co/history-bitfunder/2013-12-03-05%3A30-bitfunder-assetlist.html

12:32

just in case anyone needs it

12:32

bintfunder is finally shut down?

12:32

tghe final unofficial list ?

12:32

[HAVELOCK] [KCIM] 3 @ 0.115 = 0.345 BTC [-]

12:32

[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.3401002 = 1.0203 BTC [-]

12:32

wait. on btctco ?!

12:33

yep

12:33

burnsy kept tabs

12:33

Apocalyptic

"Honey, even Namecoin is "worth something" these days." // can't be believe she actually thinks Namecoin is worse than XRP

12:33

[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 11 @ 0.34006363 = 3.7407 BTC [-] {2}

12:33

i only saved my own list for my own securities

12:34

btct.co only backed up every 30min

12:34

so it's possible the list is a lil wrong

12:34

if someone did any share xfers in the last 30m

12:35

and of course it's unofficial, so thats another consideration

12:37

y'know, the shitty thing about being a business that accepts bitcoin is that none of my suppliers accept it

12:38

[HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 1 @ 0.11489999 BTC [+]

12:38

which is the real achievement reddites should be going for

12:38

nod

12:39

she ?! what female are we discussing ?

12:39

so tired of "I convinced my aunt to accept btc for her maid services!"

12:39

support her and buy some!

12:39

i mean, good for me if i print things for btc; bad for me when i have to immediately cash out btc income in order to pay for inks and paper

12:39

so try

12:40

your logic has no place here!

12:40

;p

12:41

i don't know of any wholesale suppliers that accept btc

12:41

in any industry

12:41

but if they did accept btc ... it'd be still at the fiat equiv

12:41

well yeah, you're just moving it up a level

12:41

the idea is to be fiat rich and just take the losses.

12:42

fiat rich is so 1800's

12:42

now they're immediately cashing out for fiat too, because the cotton farms don't accept btc

12:42

nubbins`: you can always store profits in btc

12:42

yes but if you get vendors accepting, you start creating a closed loop

12:42

too true, and in fact we do

12:42

and that coin maybe never becomes fiat

12:42

tat, too true, it's a hard sell tho

12:43

yea so if you store your profits in coin, and liquidate coins to pay expenses no payable directly by btc what does it really matter?

12:43

a useful service would be one that auto bought ccoins you spent i guess

12:43

but that feels like a band-aid

12:44

;;calc (120 - 50) / 120

12:44

0.583333333333

12:44

what kind of industries could be "in a bitcoin loop" the easiest?

12:44

;;calc (110 - 50) / 110

12:44

0.545454545455

12:44

;;bc,24hprc

12:44

Error: Failed to retrieve data. Try again later.

12:44

ah, not really sure

12:45

$avg

12:45

thestringpuller: An error has occurred and has been logged. Please contact this bot's administrator for more information.

12:45

>:(

12:45

the problem is that in any industry, at some point up the chain, you find a business who simply is not willing to take the risk of accepting btc

12:45

fine for small businesses

12:45

large corps have shareholders to answer to

12:45

if they lose their shirts because of a price fluctuation, people lose their jobs

12:46

few people in the corporate world are willing to risk that

12:46

yet they hold fiat!

12:46

:)

12:46

since we're doing irrelevant sites : http://www.bitcoinalliance.ca/

12:46

oh, hey, we have an alliance now?

12:47

brutal color scheme, looks like a video game forum

12:47

"merchant outreach"

12:47

that's because it IS a videogame forum

12:47

bitcoin = videogame gold, online political organisation = forum

12:47

nub ask them wherefor the Vendor Outreach

12:47

who played EVE Online here?

12:48

zboralski http://trilema.com/2013/bitcoins-eve-corporation/

12:48

we're billionaires, you kiddin' ?

12:48

mircea_popescu: that's cool

12:48

hey look, an excuse to visit Canadia http://www.bitcoinalliance.ca/_in_cryptography_we_trust_canada_s_first_bitcoin_expo_coming_in_2014

12:48

nub are you East or West?

12:48

mircea_popescu: you should advertise on my forums.

12:49

sure.

12:49

mircea_popescu: I'll give you resident access so you can post.

12:49

https://www.kugutsumen.com

12:49

nubbins` tyhe best part is the dorklist oops i mean leadership

12:50

zboralski where do advertisements go ?

12:50

just register and tell me your username... Once you have resident access you can post in the recruitment forum https://www.kugutsumen.com/forumdisplay.php?31-Recruitment-Forum

12:50

are you familiar with Kugutsumen?

12:50

"A technical expert with management skills, Pakosh is a serial entrepreneur with a 30-year record of identifying trends"

12:51

"Holmes is the Business Development Manager at CaVirtex, the leading Canadian Bitcoin exchange. "

12:51

"The leadership of the Bitcoin Alliance of Canada consists of 6 board members, each being selected by an independent election committee of Bitcoin enthusiasts from across Canada."

12:51

zboralski not at all.

12:51

I was banned from EVE Online in 2007

12:52

how can they get consensus without asking nubbins?

12:53

Slashdot: "Should MMOG 'Play' Be Confined?"

12:53

Slashdot: "CCP Speaks on Allegations of Misconduct in Eve"

12:53

Slashdot: "EVE Devs Admit To Misconduct"

12:53

so substantively, what was the controversy/misconduct/we ?

12:54

ThickAsThieves they asked their resident delusionist.

12:54

there are two types of kings in the world : those who have a collection of various mages, and those who have a delusionist.

12:54

you can get banned from a video game?

12:54

one of the directors of Band of Brothers was a dev and was cheating by printing tech 2 BPOs

12:55

[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 9000 @ 0.00010963 = 0.9867 BTC [+] {5}

12:55

pankkake: in that video game... you can have some russian guy come to your house to cut the power and kill you inside the game :D http://www.tentonhammer.com/node/65475

12:55

zboralski o you're the guy that broke the bob / eve thing ?

12:55

haha, awesome

12:55

mircea_popescu: yes

12:55

nice.

12:56

the power cutting business did happen, and the ships in question are hardly worth 10 btc.

12:56

ThickAsThieves: as east as you can get

12:57

Heh: Detroit eligible for bankruptcy protection: US judge

12:57

cool, i enjoyed my last trip there, but it was a looong time ago, as a touring punk

12:57

i intend to go back

12:58

montreal is where the party is

12:58

TomServo why not lol. it

12:58

s a sovereign corporation. best of both worlds.

12:58

reading your 1BTC post, fun concept...

12:58

Ha. I guess why not would be when the rest are pissed they don't get the chance.

12:59

definately post it on k.com

12:59

anyway, ten ton hammer etc keep sucking eve's cock, i'm curious what will they say once eulora is out.

12:59

TomServo but it encourages the rest to simply move to mpex and give the fiat world the finger.

13:00

ohh eve players.

13:00

its been a while since I played.

13:00

diametric: who did you play with?

13:00

zboralski so you still playing ?

13:00

TEST at it's height

13:00

was a lot of fun, I also played in Goons as well with a few accounts.

13:00

I think at my most addictive moment I had almost a dozen accounts going...

13:01

nah, I tried at one point but it is not fun if people recognize me I get banned again.

13:01

mircea_popescu: Since when do you give anything in the US that much credit? :)

13:01

TomServo well, they do have the chance :)

13:01

I was in Pandemic Legion... My alt was the executor.

13:01

it's mostly so years later when they're butthurt all over the interwebs i can link them to old pages and lol

13:01

zboralski: oh cool, flew a lot with PL when the HBC was formed

13:01

fun guys

13:02

diametric: do you have an account on kugu?

13:02

nah i never posted much, was entertaining to read though

13:03

[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 317 @ 0.00206049 = 0.6532 BTC [+] {4}

13:03

I do miss being in fleets and having a massive blob

13:03

but I hear TEST has gone to FW after the moon redistribution or whatever.. I haven't played for over a year now.

13:03

the last time I played I hijacked a dev account and couldn't figure out how to get out of that Jove system which didn't have any gates.

13:03

haha

13:04

all this is beyond me

13:04

i'm not bad at mario kart tho D:

13:04

mircea_popescu: i hear you also play (or played?) some eve.

13:04

a lot of people on k.com don't play anymore.

13:04

the discussions are fun.

13:04

the most fun I had was scamming people

13:05

hehe

13:05

diametric well i run the bitcoin corp thingee. i don't play so much, mostly market stuff.

13:05

TEST space rental scams. Fountain had some really good ratting and people would pay top dollar to "rent" from me

13:05

corp robbery with a freighter was fun too.

13:05

[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 193 @ 0.00206031 = 0.3976 BTC [-] {3}

13:05

mircea_popescu: I have a friend like that, I don't think he's been in space except to move between hubs and manage his orders.

13:05

i'm often in a shuttle

13:05

but w/e, i occasionally fly a mk1 ferrox, just, been kinda busy these motnhs

13:06

[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 173 @ 0.00206489 = 0.3572 BTC [+] {3}

13:06

mircea_popescu: so i hear

13:06

the game is notoriously boring, as far as the actual gameplay goes.

13:06

wtf, it's barely at the level of a 1990 atari game.

13:06

roughly elite, if you've played that.

13:07

its the meta games that are fun

13:07

exactly.

13:07

http://trilema.com/2013/have-you-played-elite-back-in-the-80s/

13:07

Have you played Elite back in the 80s ? pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.

13:08

they totally should bring back manual docking.

13:08

[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 193 @ 0.00206479 = 0.3985 BTC [-] {2}

13:08

;;ud docking

13:08

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=docking | The act of placing the head of ones penis inside the foreskin of another's penis.

13:08

Urban Dictionary: docking

13:08

agreed

13:08

ew.

13:08

hahaha

13:08

they'd have to implement proper orbital dynamics first

13:08

no dude, attaching your ship to the spacestation.

13:08

nubbins` come on dude

13:08

lol

13:09

benkay it's funny that the game requires the playerbase to use a lot of math, which the developers themselves can't apply.

13:09

No, not that one!

13:09

mircea_popescu: if you want something that realistic you should play kerbal space program

13:09

[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 1371 @ 0.00207752 = 2.8483 BTC [+] {5}

13:09

elite had it!

13:09

ksp is brutal.

13:09

kerbal space program has manual docking :P

13:09

thestringpuller: KSP is amazing!

13:09

AMAZING COMPANY!

13:09

KSP has manual everything.

13:09

lol true dat

13:09

mgs ?

13:09

does it have MGS!!1

13:10

manual anything is great

13:10

fuck computers

13:10

seriously, have you ever taken pictures with a holga?

13:10

nubbins` good luck with your tomograph.

13:10

and no, i had a smecma.

13:10

ah, no, i don't get sick

13:10

judging by past perfmance, i'll never need one

13:11

;|

13:11

;;google mgs

13:11

METAL GEAR SOLID: <http://metalgearsolid.com/>; Metal Gear Solid - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metal_Gear_Solid>; MGS: Stainless steel Eco-friendly Faucets for the Kitchen, Bath and ...: <http://www.mgstaps.com/>

13:11

that's what mgs means to me

13:11

and most people :P

13:11

mgs = manual genital stimulation.

13:12

[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 122 @ 0.00212179 = 0.2589 BTC [+] {3}

13:12

https://www.google.com/search?complete=0&q=smena << and this is the smena.

13:13

lel

13:13

it has mgs AND docking?!

13:13

s/manual/mutual

13:13

even winding is separated from shutter cocking!

13:14

yah, same w/ holga

13:14

take a triple exposure, advance a half-frame, take a double, etc

13:15

such fun

13:15

you could load 35mm and expose images over the sprocket holes

13:16

you could actually use cinematic 35mm film too,

13:16

or you could make your own

13:16

man

13:16

you guys actually like fucking around with atoms

13:16

i don't get it

13:16

the only atoms i want to fuck with are warm and concave

13:17

the pussy element?

13:17

kakobrekla hey was that chick in fifth element somalian too ?

13:17

Va

13:17

mila jovovich

13:17

from the south

13:17

im like fucking north to them!

13:18

haha

13:18

[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 58 @ 0.0021249 = 0.1232 BTC [-] {2}

13:18

She considers herself both Russian and Montenegrin

13:18

shouldn't it be montenegrette ?

13:18

:))

13:18

yep

13:18

she could sing non, je ne regrete rien

13:19

pas meme etre montenegrette...

13:19

that bitch from 5th element was fawking hawt

13:19

baked only once though

13:19

any more dting?

13:19

KRS|gotyawallet only while pubescent. luc besson got obsessed with her, cast her as joan of arc and she sucked balls.

13:19

rly

13:20

they all go to hell after that period i guess

13:20

almost

13:20

did she ever do pron

13:20

like Natalie Portman?

13:20

nothing public.

13:21

natalie portman had that submissive thing going

13:21

anyway, getting back on topic for just a moment, from what i'm seeing the internet metal bugs are actually beginning to move to crypto.

13:21

their butthurt at their idol's failure having just about healed past denial

13:22

I've been infiltrating a private silverbug forum

13:23

Apocalyptic

pankkake, let us know how it goes

13:25

[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 213 @ 0.002125 = 0.4526 BTC [+]

13:25

i want there to be at least 3 btc-related jewelry providers

13:26

that way i can split a wallet across 3 items of decorate

13:26

drape each on a babe

13:26

and ball bitcoin

13:31

http://www.celebjihad.com/celeb-jihad/natalie-portman-bent-over-nude

13:31

Natalie Portman Bent Over Nude

13:31

you can almost smell it

13:31

lol no

13:32

natalie portman doesn't do much for me - except in Léon

13:32

Oh, when she's 12?

13:32

That's telling.

13:32

haha

13:32

she was hawt during star wars

13:33

I am pretty sure she was in the wet dreams of many boys at that time

13:34

she was boring in star wars

13:34

and that scene in the fields… wtf

13:34

[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 125 @ 0.002125 = 0.2656 BTC [+]

13:38

KRS|gotyawallet that's not her, get outta here.

13:38

pankkake i dunno, that little boy look...

13:39

I don't remember her like that

13:39

http://superiorpics.com/movie_pictures/mp/1994_Leon_the_Professional/L_Natalie_Portman_076.jpg

13:39

she even has a collar!

13:41

it s a choker lol

13:41

but yeah, i guess i must have confused it with some other movie

13:41

Yeah. I'm not arroused by that image.

13:42

yeah choker. well, still, I like chokers :)

13:42

me neither. it's a sentimal thing

13:42

chokers are cool.

13:42

chokers, corsets, garters an' heels.

13:43

stephengandel welcome.

13:43

garters is the only thing I don't like

13:44

they look stupid

13:44

ands give me an "old" feeling

13:44

[HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 1 @ 0.11199999 BTC [-]

13:45

stephengandel: just lurking?

13:45

[HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 2 @ 0.1135 = 0.227 BTC [+] {2}

13:46

;;bcstats

13:46

13:46

benkay he's probably not found the bottom bar to type in yet

13:46

give the man time :D

13:47

the internet is for user interfaces

13:47

/sarcasm

13:47

pankkake http://1-ps.googleusercontent.com/h/www.celebjihad.com/celeb-jihad/images/xnatalie_portman_facial.jpg.pagespeed.ic.c--jPUhJTe.jpg

13:48

You are right. Got it now. Hello.

13:48

rereading FAQ before I ask question

13:49

stephengandel don't sweat it, the internet is for

13:49

trying shit out.

13:49

[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 117 @ 0.00212498 = 0.2486 BTC [+] {3}

13:49

I collect actual scientific evidence like http://www.telegraph.co.uk/science/science-news/6267901/Chemical-in-sperm-may-slow-ageing-process.html

13:50

actual science from telegraph.co ?

13:50

got a lot of daily mail in your treasure chest ?

13:50

Is the fee to open an account still 30 BTCs?

13:51

yes.

13:51

how about MIT?! http://tech.mit.edu/V130/N5/undress.html

13:51

there are brokers, though stephengandel

13:52

pankkake this is why you keep a bottle of nice cognac or tuica or w/e on hand.

13:52

So, $30,000? Can you short bitcoins through a broker?

13:53

.................

13:53

*palm to face*

13:53

lol

13:53

coinbr.com

13:53

options are available through the broker

13:53

"But, as with many things in life, you have to just suck it up and do it, which is why I’m here to make a case for swallowing spooge."

13:53

yup. MPOE prices options on bitcoins.

13:53

stephengandel depends of what your idea of shorting bitcoins is like. but you can buy puts through a broker, yes.

13:54

[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 60 @ 0.002125 = 0.1275 BTC [+]

13:54

jurov may let you short on margin

13:54

stephengandel: http://mpex.co/?mpsic=O.USD.P185T for example. but note that the option is on lots of .1 btc

13:54

i think namworld was doing it at some point at least.

13:55

stephengandel: to clarify thestringpuller's comment, jurov runs http://coinbr.com

13:56

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25000 @ 0.0008116 = 20.29 BTC [-] {5}

13:57

$avg

13:57

mircea_popescu: An error has occurred and has been logged. Please contact this bot's administrator for more information.

13:57

hm.

13:57

!ticker

13:57

How can I be of assistance, my poor man?

13:57

jesus the whole system is breaking down.

13:57

;;ticker

13:57

MtGox BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 1137.20838, Best ask: 1137.99994, Bid-ask spread: 0.79156, Last trade: 1137.99994, 24 hour volume: 23590.84962476, 24 hour low: 1046.99999, 24 hour high: 1185.77338, 24 hour vwap: 1115.72103

13:58

[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 174 @ 0.00212899 = 0.3704 BTC [+] {2}

13:58

;;later tell smickles hey, tactm changed bitcoincharts api json url cause he could. gotta use http://api.bitcoincharts.com/v1/weighted_prices.json now

13:58

The operation succeeded.

14:00

[MPEX] [S.BBET] 1000 @ 0.000575 = 0.575 BTC [+] {2}

14:02

;;bc,xau

14:02

1 XAU = 1221.600000000000 USD = 1.05419399379 BTC

14:03

stephengandel you know, you write a lot. i thought the job of the senior editor is more along the lines of throwing out the hard work of all the junior editors.

14:04

[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 666 @ 0.0021362 = 1.4227 BTC [+] {2}

14:05

[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 524 @ 0.00214775 = 1.1254 BTC [+] {5}

14:06

[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 1942 @ 0.00228754 = 4.4424 BTC [+] {4}

14:06

should be. Sorry just got a call from an unhappy Wall Street PR guy.

14:07

reading again now.

14:07

[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 894 @ 0.00244619 = 2.1869 BTC [+] {8}

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[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 229 @ 0.0024743 = 0.5666 BTC [+] {3}

14:08

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 56443 @ 0.00081489 = 45.9948 BTC [+] {2}

14:09

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4557 @ 0.00081642 = 3.7204 BTC [+]

14:10

[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 175 @ 0.00247999 = 0.434 BTC [+] {3}

14:13

;;eauth mircea_popescu

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Request successful for user mircea_popescu, hostmask mircea_popescu!~Mircea@pdpc/supporter/silver/mircea-popescu. Get your encrypted OTP from http://bitcoin-otc.com/otps/8A736F0E2FB7B452

14:14

;;everify freenode:#bitcoin-otc:12f6abe25d7cb14f088f737e75749f27e97964533753251ca2eb4ee3

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123!

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You are now authenticated for user mircea_popescu with key 8A736F0E2FB7B452

14:15

796

14:15

123!

14:16

amazing 796

14:16

AMAZING COMPANY!

14:16

123!

14:16

omg leave britney alone.

14:16

lel

14:18

Where is the amazing company?

14:18

AMAZING COMPANY!

14:18

Quote: http://dpaste.com/1491666/plain/

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!quote 2

14:19

ah, oh well

14:23

bah these forum digests are indigest.

14:23

you know i think the drama engine is getting old.

14:26

mircea_popescu: Maybe swap out the motor with one from a dump truck? Might make the drama more fun to drive.

14:27

it strikes me that maybe not many years later we will look upon the early days with nostalgia, drowned in a sea of banal crap.

14:27

and like the proverbial soviet geezers we'll go "do you remember how great it was back when it was horribly bad ?"

14:28

I can sum it up for you 1. I can't get my blade to hash 2. I lost ma bitcoin 3. I have a amazing company (give me bitcoin)

14:28

AMAZING COMPANY!

14:28

jborkl pretty much.

14:28

the redditization of bitcoin drama

14:29

2. I lost my bitcoin PLEASE DONATE

14:29

^

14:29

legal fund PLEASE DONATE

14:29

[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 150 @ 0.00247999 = 0.372 BTC [-] {2}

14:29

pankkake you know, i should prolly have pr make a trhead, MPOE BONDS LOST 3K LAST MONTH~!11 plz donate.

14:30

who's crazy enough to fund these?

14:30

pankkake i think some of the older people with actual wallets send a little just out of sheer trollery

14:30

say a bitcent or w/e

14:32

Mechs is trying to sell his just-dice acct, the investor balance is -478 ~

14:32

lolwat

14:32

Apocalyptic

sounds legit

14:32

!jd

14:32

Just-Dice stat: 8816 BTC profit, 50.8k BTC invested, 315.35 mio bets, 4.55 mio BTC wagered

14:32

yeah, so the first 478 of profit is non commision

14:33

ah ah

14:33

so the value there is 1% of 478 btc minus whatever discount ?

14:33

this is more than the average car.

14:33

[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 60 @ 0.00247999 = 0.1488 BTC [-]

14:33

10% i think is the commision rate

14:33

o they hiked it ?

14:33

then it's definitely more than the average car.

14:33

yeah, a few months ago

14:34

so ~48 btc

14:34

wait. it stands at ~9k profit with 10% fees?!

14:34

o wait nm, the 10% out of the 1% huh.

14:34

yes

14:35

so, it would require a large investment to make it worth buying for any amount

14:35

so, not a bad deal for that scenario

14:35

[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 507 @ 0.00247999 = 1.2574 BTC [-] {4}

14:36

is it safe to login to the forums again?

14:36

it was prolly never safe

14:36

well... as safe as it's ever been...

14:36

first.

14:36

dammit

14:36

Last 6 lines bashed and pending review. (http://dpaste.com/1491676/plain/)

14:36

!b 6

14:36

[MPEX] [O] [O.USD.C110T] 1000 @ 0.03732936 = 37.3294 BTC [-]

14:37

not safe for your brain. yet again we have a guy who thinks btc "inaccessible" and thus wants altcoins. and another guy who wants to buy a miner. both never had any bitcoin

14:37

can we just switch to mbtc?

14:37

satoshis.

14:38

a handfulls

14:38

that was fast.

14:38

the limit of the process is inevitable.

14:38

Fuck, let's switch to mSatoshis and have the media talk about how much Bitcoin crashed

14:38

pankkake looky. some people think mpex is inaccesible and so go flock on btctctetc

14:38

this isn;'t a bad thing.

14:38

[MPEX] [O] [O.USD.C110T] 1850 @ 0.03662533 = 67.7569 BTC [-] {2}

14:38

not the same at all. you don't need one bitcoin

14:39

but you need one mpex

14:39

who doesn't need a bitcoin ?

14:39

it is funny how people still bitch about the way MPEX looks

14:39

is this going to be some sort of "all you need is love" thing ?

14:39

is mechs trustworthy? no wot with that name.

14:39

:/

14:39

flying rainbow unicorn

14:40

jborkl can you imagine how the nyse would look if they'd get a call in the matter ?

14:40

obamacare v2.

14:40

yeah, no shit

14:40

gotta make the graphics look good, oh wat it doesnt work- amazing graphics

14:40

AMAZING COMPANY!

14:40

http://culthub.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/amazon-first-gateway-page.jpg

14:41

"no reserve" != "starting bid is 4btc"

14:41

.d

14:41

707408283.05150 | Next Diff in 1278 blocks | Estimated Change: 23.7106% in 6d 18h 25m 42s

14:41

mike_c they do this thing where they announce a "starting bid" but it's not the actual starting bid

14:41

i've seen this.

14:42

Mike, it does not matter if he is trustworthy- just have dooglus hold the escrow

14:42

in this parallel universe you can have an auction with a "starting bid" of 1 and a "reserve" of 10 which means that unless it reaches 10 the item doesn't sell.

14:42

ok, thanks

14:42

well, that's the ebay universe

14:42

mircea_popescu: sometimes they take the reserve off if it isn't met

14:42

secret reserves are so annoying

14:42

so there can be value in bidding under the reserve

14:42

mike_c should be a crime if you ask me.

14:43

yeah, its dumb

14:43

anyway, i was once with this chick who actually lived off going to no name auctions

14:43

and buying crap she resold in her shop and online

14:43

i nearly fell over laughing, all the housewives being all business-serious and bidding a hundred on some lamp

14:44

more like a tupperware party than an auction, but anyway.

14:44

well, she provides some convenience for buyers, it's valuable

14:44

once I bought a full pc, I accidentaly broke the motherboard, sold off the parts, got more money :|

14:44

lol

14:44

pankkake the people filling captchas by hand also provide some convenience for some buyers.

14:44

pc arbitrage, nice.

14:45

you should break more stuff

14:45

i'll beat that story : a major romanian retailer bought ~100 laptops off a competitor, which the competitor was selling discounted,

14:45

to return on their own (more permissive) return policy.

14:45

but it's also how you sell it. if you're a trusted seller, have nice pics, description, it gets higher

14:45

this was done by the actual owner packing the laptops in his own personal car.

14:46

i think the total loot for this grand scheme was around 5k or so.

14:46

haha. that's why retailers usually put max orders and only allow individuals

14:46

myeah. HP could simply not believe the story.

14:46

"nigga, they did what ?!"

14:47

anywya. there's definitely a living to be earned doing this sort of hussling.

14:47

a lot of busywork it is.

14:55

[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 160 @ 0.00248 = 0.3968 BTC [+]

14:55

true of most real-world arbitrage

14:55

hmmm https://www.bitrated.com/

14:56

benkay depends. consider the famous case of the ltcm

14:56

OK. So if I am going to short one bitcoin, or a fraction of a bitcoin, it makes more sense for me to go through a broker than do it with MPeX. Is that right?

14:56

http://www.nzweek.com/world/china/china-exclusive-china-detains-bitcoin-fraud-suspects-102598/

14:56

China Exclusive: China detains Bitcoin fraud suspects - NZweek

14:56

o hey.

14:57

stephengandel if your budged is in the bitcoin range, and your technical sophistication low you are best served by a bitcoin.

14:57

think of mpex as the nyse, which is what it is. for most purposes you won't acquire a seat in the pit.

14:57

*served by a broker

14:57

mike_c oops right.

14:57

gotcha

14:58

stephengandel: Yup. Coinbr, the broker does their opions on MPEx. As Mircea says though just holding the bitcoin may be the wiser course of action.

14:58

"A 29-year-old suspect surnamed Liu allegedly began operating GBL trading platform on May 27 of this year, according to police in Dongyang City in east Chinas Zhejiang Province."

14:58

kleeck kickass.

14:58

:)

14:58

BingoBoingo if he expects a drop then holding the bitcoin isn't particularly wise.

14:59

Hope to soon have a similar article involving Armandi and Tatti. :D

14:59

gotcha. Will give it a try and let you know how it goes.

14:59

Do you think bitcoins will drop?

14:59

stephengandel you can also review the mpex monthly reports to see about how option trading has fared historically. a count of sold/bought contracts by the bot is provided in each

14:59

they were quite fast. shut down oct 26, not even 2 months later some results

14:59

stephengandel someone sold a lot of calls short yesterday, right before the drop.

14:59

stephengandel: this is a channel of people who expect bitcoin to be the world reserve currency.

14:59

it proved do be only temporary, they may end up with a loss.

15:00

it's a very volatile market.

15:00

dexX7 if the chinese also shoot them, i'll be very impressed.

15:00

mircea_popescu: Of course. In daytrading adventures though I was burned in february waiting for a crash or Flashcrash that never happened. Nao I hedge and bet to hedge, but largely hold things.

15:01

makes sense.

15:01

http://fuckbitcoin.com/

15:01

fuck.bitcoin. | Damn this magic internet money

15:01

work in progress

15:02

What is happening nao reminds me of when we passed silver dangling just below that target. Except now there isn't an Usagi swearing it won't happen.

15:02

yay. did you make it ?

15:02

[HAVELOCK] [VTX] 2 @ 0.16199349 = 0.324 BTC [+]

15:02

http://cdn.memegenerator.net/instances/500x/43500627.jpg

15:02

dude

15:02

i bought one for 5

15:02

or was it 3

15:02

BingoBoingo i just remembered that the usagi fellow was all over the many evil people who i was payying to contradict him.

15:03

share your story

15:03

dis shit is not funny to me!

15:03

i should have the girl dig that up

15:03

once the contact page works

15:03

[HAVELOCK] [VTX] 2 @ 0.16199349 = 0.324 BTC [+]

15:03

Sorry to be stupid about this: where can I see that someone sold calls? where are the monthly mpex reports? Which one of the contracts on your site should I be looking at?

15:03

this has only been a thing for about an hour now

15:04

[HAVELOCK] [VTX] 7 @ 0.1619935 = 1.134 BTC [+]

15:04

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=177747.msg2409842#msg2409842 thankfully I never went further. but I remember the response "you are beginning to get a picture of how much financial damage Deprived has caused me"

15:04

[BitFunder] TU.SILVER -- News & Reports

15:04

so he's not blaming MP!

15:04

mircea_popescu: That was one of my first long thread reads on Bitcointalk.

15:04

stephengandel you're not being stupid by not knowing ; reports are in http://trilema.com/category/mpex/

15:04

thanks.

15:05

you can see someone sold calls if you look either in the log of this chan (ttp://log.bitcoin-assets.com) or else on the site.

15:05

the yellow bar on the small graph next to O.USD.C050T

15:05

MPOE November statement. Is that where I should be looking?

15:06

yeah, that's for november.

15:06

[HAVELOCK] [VTX] 13 @ 0.1619999 = 2.106 BTC [+] {3}

15:06

they go all the way to iirc february 2012

15:06

stephengandel: 7,443 of these calls traded this month from mpex.co http://imgur.com/YnwH7PW

15:08

mircea_popescu: Planning anything big for March 2015 when MPEx becomes more than half as old as the Bitcoin network?

15:08

why isn;t the trudy chick suing me ;/

15:08

fucking artists with their complicated shoes. impossible to get a hold of.

15:08

BingoBoingo hadn't thought of it...

15:09

is it legal for bitcoin ventures to plan one year in advance even ?

15:09

mircea_popescu: Well, I don't see why not? The only authority in Bitcoin is signed contracts.

15:10

i was just being sarcastic.

15:10

"I have alot of respect for you man. I may want to pick your brain

15:10

throughout my adventure. If you have any openings or any available tasks I

15:10

might be able to help you with that will help me gain some valuable

15:10

experience, please do let me know."

15:10

i need to start doing something where people can help ;/

15:11

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NZeOUI2zEbo

15:11

The Crimson Permanent Assurance - Monty Python's "The Meaning Of Life" - YouTube

15:11

worth rewatching.

15:11

have him fix the html encoding on the trilema footnotes

15:11

they're broklen !?

15:11

like, forever

15:11

heh

15:11

kakobrekla https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PPN3KTtrnZM

15:12

mike_c i only do that sorta shit with womenz.

15:12

mhm :)

15:12

[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.33601001 BTC [-]

15:14

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y_bsMGsBjWc << this is actually what i should be doing

15:14

Monty Python Silly Job Interview Sketch - YouTube

15:14

dat first link is mpex invading nyse

15:15

lol

15:15

[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 133 @ 0.00247 = 0.3285 BTC [+] {2}

15:15

complete with whips and everything huh

15:15

hehe

15:15

mhm

15:17

so here's a random thought : about a year and a half ago i bought a pair of bitcoin engraved cufflinks from a guy that did a custom cufflink run

15:17

they're nothing special, brass, kinda nice.

15:17

they cost, i find reviewing my records, 3 btc and 25 cents.

15:18

yep

15:18

this brass has cost me about 2 grams of gold per gram.

15:18

by BingoBoingo's 2015 megaparty they'd better be diamond studded and made out of frozen panda tears.

15:19

and i drive half a mio usd car.

15:19

well at least it has injection.

15:20

mircea_popescu: I imagine by 2022 on the 10th anniversary of MPEx the diamonds would be synthesized from the panda tears.

15:20

but yeah, wait until bentley figures out that there's these dudes who routinely pay 500k for a car and don't even expect it to fly.

15:20

kakobrekla: I've always preferred the 500 usd cars. It's hard to feel guilty when you make them fly.

15:21

actually... we should probably count our blessings. once the rest of the world figures out there's billionaires hanging out on irc kakobrekla will be spending his days doing nothing but banning salesmen in here.

15:21

double lol.

15:21

a 500 btc carpal tunnel!

15:22

I'm sure there are automated ways to catch salesman

15:22

i've smoked things that would now be worth 6 grams of gold per gram

15:22

feels great

15:22

someone should ipo a Topless Salesman Catching Brigade.

15:22

like gaddafi's ukrainian nurses,

15:22

except for butts.

15:23

are we all laughing at 7C yet?

15:23

or should i come back?

15:23

we did briefly earlier today

15:23

come back, 1 year!

15:23

http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-12-2013#403225

15:23

#bitcoin-assets log

15:23

lololol

15:23

I haven't understood what 7C is yet

15:24

nobody has

15:24

but I don't think I want to anymore

15:24

So 7C is basically if farmville was Euloria, but with USD revenue and Facebook?

15:24

it's like 1btc, i thought, except havelock listed it for some reason.

15:24

havelock clearly hasn't done their job

15:25

well, they want the monies

15:25

^

15:26

ll

;;calc 373.52591376/400000

15:26

0.0009338147844

15:27

[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.34933745 = 0.6987 BTC [+]

15:29

nubbins`: "when you get tired of wasting money, console yourself with your huge in-game rep and 3d friends < awesome

15:29

isn't that just -otc and the forum

15:29

i have brief moments of lucidity

15:30

jborkl: it's a lot of things.

15:31

ah only a 23,000 btc valuation

15:32

yeah, total lowball

15:32

considering buying entire company with spare change, etc

15:33

I have this http://i.imgur.com/Wo2nK6q.png to console me but it doesn't really work

15:33

Honestly more than million dollar bitcoin, I'm waiting for the republic of Bitcoin to annex Cuba where despite taking an opposite ideological stance to Fidel's regime this island remains opposed to the USG's incompetence.

15:34

<jborkl> ah only a 23,000 btc valuation << wehat!

15:34

dude where's that delusionist cartoon

15:35

[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 192 @ 0.0024752 = 0.4752 BTC [+] {2}

15:35

well, if havelock is worth 50k, why not 23k for 7c?

15:37

i guess i better start saving my nail clippings.

15:40

so, now saying "paragon of retardation" is grounds for getting a post deleted. mods=fags

15:40

well 7c should IPO for 12,400 bitcoins in super nerd BTC

15:42

you shouldn't have said paragon.

15:43

I expected the joke to come up. perhaps I should have proved my expectation by putting it in the blockchain

15:58

[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 245 @ 0.00245 = 0.6003 BTC [-]

15:58

http://fuckbitcoin.com/fuuuuuck/

16:01

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=344219.0

16:01

you really pissed this guy off!

16:02

Threats to extort and blackmail BCT companies by the user 'pankkake'

16:02

Just got email from @fortune.com. Dude can't figure out mpoe options and asking for help :)

16:03

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1500 @ 0.00081614 = 1.2242 BTC [-]

16:03

that'd be stephengandel, no?

16:04

Yes.

16:04

[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 228 @ 0.00248 = 0.5654 BTC [+]

16:04

Seems completely lost, not sure where i should begin.

16:05

he was looking to short btc. just tell him to buy an atm put.

16:05

Mhm ok.

16:07

lol self mod

16:07

pankkake https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=339544.msg3811647#msg3811647 the girl sends her regards.

16:09

jurov` yeah i dunno what's going on there, but don't end up railroading some noob into buying complex financial instruments he doesn't understand.

16:10

[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 722 @ 0.00248 = 1.7906 BTC [+]

16:10

senior editor at fortune is financial noob?

16:10

i'm just saying in general

16:10

the bitbet irc channel?

16:11

this boggles.

16:11

benkay ?

16:12

mircea_popescu: the btctalk thread you linked has people talking about the bitbet irc channel and linking the -assets log

16:12

o o, older stuff. yeah.

16:12

pankkake if that nonsense doesn't wake up forum mods to the insanity that selfmod threads are, i dunno what will. maybe bitch at them.

16:13

[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 249 @ 0.00248999 = 0.62 BTC [+]

16:18

[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 159 @ 0.00248999 = 0.3959 BTC [+]

16:18

I just railroaded them into funding voinbr account and laid out their options

16:18

voyna br!

16:18

Lol

16:19

is AM worth holding?

16:19

damagebritain probably a better choice than most alternatives.

16:19

but it's a mining venture. it's mostly going to go lower.

16:21

damagebritain: If you have AM, maybe hold it for a while and dump it if the share price spikes when their next gen shit comes online, provided they actually have next gen shit.

16:21

We'll see won't wee

16:22

Have you seen the reports of their immersion cooled blades? I know it isn't next gen but that is cool

16:23

immersion cool even

16:23

ya it is quite impressive

16:23

now they need better gear worthy of their cooling tech :P

16:23

well cool is one thing. you meant to ask if it's worth holding for the cool ?

16:24

wet is another thing

16:24

No looking for dividends and hopefully they announce something next gen and we see growth

16:24

cool and wet

16:24

warm and wet > cool and wet

16:24

new hardware sales and whatnot

16:24

benkay: not always

16:24

necro

16:26

don't discount the Ability-to-sell-shity-gear-to-retards-hand-over-fist factor

16:26

theres that, too

16:26

still plenty of milk in that cow

16:26

dub problem is the price went up

16:26

They need laz0r cooling

16:26

the btc price i mean. to get 1 btc that way you need a lot of retards.

16:27

damagebritain: Dividends are over rated, but S.NSA is cheap at the moment.

16:27

countrer problem is theres a lot more retards in the market

16:27

this is true

16:27

BingoBoingo how do you judge that ?

16:27

S.NSA never heard of it

16:27

dividends are like candy to make kids shut the fuck up

16:28

snsa is currently pricing in risk of not making delivery by the 25th

16:28

BingoBoingo and what is fair price? I'll gladly update my sell order and refer everyone to your wise words :)

16:29

surely there is 2 weeks of contingency built in there

16:30

dub: pardon?

16:30

mircea_popescu: Just guessing from the gut.

16:30

jurov`: Pulling magic out of my ass

16:31

Duly noted.

16:31

s.nsa has 1.2k market cap. 7c could buy it like, 20 times over.

16:31

by the way, anyone know smt plants working for btc ?

16:31

mike_c yeah but then it wouldn't be as cool.

16:31

whats a good exchange for s.nsa

16:32

coinbr.com

16:32

damagebritain: mpex.co

16:32

dont go all railroading yo.

16:32

damagebritain: Assuming you aren't on MPEX and don't have 30 BTC to register with... mike_c

16:32

No coinbr referrals? Thanks for teh monyz :D

16:32

damagebritain: Seriously though read moar. Don't invest because this rando told you to.

16:33

wouldn't want to be accused of being a shill and "associate" of jurov :)

16:33

oh I'm not it looks like it just crashed and isn't hashing yet?

16:33

uh oh

16:33

damagebritain: Fine wait, I'll get the referral link

16:33

price just crashed

16:33

it's not a mining company

16:33

LOL!

16:33

mike_c you will be accused anyway, why not get paid for it?

16:33

true

16:34

hear that mp, cardanos not hashing yet wahts up wiff dat

16:34

damagebritain: Here's a Coinbr referral link.

16:34

FabianB

wahaha, reading is hard

16:34

whoa I'm just speculating don't know too much lol

16:34

we will make a statement about the statement which we can't make for legal reasons at a later point which is very sorry to please understand death in the family my new car crashed

16:35

in completely unrelated news,

16:35

"By making their product or artwork display neotenous traits, designers attempt to sway people to enjoy or desire their product because it appears childish, adorable, soft or otherwise desirable. By making a product cute, the nucleus accumbens in the human brain is targeted and elicits a protective or coddling response, which encourages an individual to acquire (purchase) said item. By designing items, characters, food

16:35

or anything else in this manner, product designers attempt to create the same reaction to a product that a human baby could create."

16:35

This describes S.NSA http://mpex.co/?mpsic=S.NSA

16:35

so basically designers should be round up and shot.

16:35

don't forget to get experts of unrelated company involved under nda

16:35

yes, obama is working for me

16:36

he has 2 year's experience in managing website creation and deployment,

16:36

under budget and over spec.

16:36

damagebritain: Here's more text explaining what S.NSA has planned in the near future.

16:36

http://trilema.com/category/snsa/

16:36

S.NSA pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.

16:37

so honest question : company with watercooled blades vs company with pubis-bare shirts.

16:37

which is cooler ?

16:37

The latter

16:37

it isnt water

16:37

IT ISNT WANTER!!!!11

16:37

-n

16:37

what is it, oil ?

16:37

Could get wet though...

16:37

hahaha

16:38

Last 12 lines bashed and pending review. (http://dpaste.com/1491784/plain/)

16:38

!b 12

16:38

mp needs photos with goo

16:38

yea probably

16:38

Or milk.

16:38

milk cooled asics

16:38

now that'd be something to behold.

16:38

^

16:38

if difficulty shoots up too much at least you can eat the cheese.

16:39

hahah

16:39

;;goxlag

16:39

MtGox lag is 2.777023 seconds. During this time, light travels 0.0055651229989 AU. You could have sent a bitcoin from Jupiter to its largest moon, Ganymede (0.007155 AU).

16:39

KRS|gotyawallet isn't actually krs im just realising

16:39

eh

16:40

"krs" is some cat in s.america who registered the nick

16:41

right

16:42

by the way, did i mention i now own #nude ?

16:42

hah cool..need to figger out an ipo for btc sex

16:42

sex is cash money with or without btc

16:42

[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 16666 @ 0.00258018 = 43.0013 BTC [+] {17}

16:43

maybe #bitcoin-anal

16:43

i thought i owned that too

16:43

I THINK I OWN ALL THE THINGS

16:43

i dont think thers much game in sex and btc, but if pays dividends....

16:43

i think you do, but i'm holding it down

16:43

Bitcoin-Ass specials: 2 liters anal lube .003 BTC. SENSATIONAL!! 23" Monster Cock (only comes in color BLACK) made with the finest rubber and steel belts. BLOWOUT: Everyone's favorite laxitive COLON BLOW. Everyday low price .001 BTC.

16:44

thats too much

16:44

* Loaded log from Fri Apr 26 16:44:13 2013 lol

16:44

[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 3314 @ 0.00274 = 9.0804 BTC [+]

16:45

colon blow omg...

16:52

[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 380 @ 0.00274 = 1.0412 BTC [+]

16:53

did anyone actually post a coinbr referral? https://coinbr.com/ref?c=A3R7Tstq16

16:53

[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 68 @ 0.00274 = 0.1863 BTC [+]

16:59

bitbar is now $99?

17:00

what bar is that ?

17:00

thats their market cap prolly

17:02

choocks finally started laying

17:03

what kind

17:03

you are that guy from wolf creek right?

17:04

i dunno what kind, theyre brown, got them from the market

17:05

u mean a real chicken ..

17:05

four of your finest pullets please sir

17:07

not pullets any more

17:07

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1LK9JIVUHaM

17:07

aussie chook laying egg - this one's a cracker! - YouTube

17:07

<mircea_popescu> so basically designers should be round up and shot. <<<< in some regards, yes, but in the end a designer is paid to solve a "problem" and more often than not, in a way they would not prefer

17:07

tramatized now

17:08

clients cause oodles of depression and frustration for that field

17:09

1 bitbar = .0979 BTC ~ $100 https://bter.com/trade/btb_btc

17:09

what in the fuhhh

17:10

[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 209 @ 0.00274 = 0.5727 BTC [+]

17:11

ahh so thats why i baby talk to my vw bettle

17:11

[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 40 @ 0.00274 = 0.1096 BTC [+]

17:12

come to think of it, i kinda disagree with the premise that designers create things to look babyish

17:12

the cloaca blooms

17:13

your little fuely wuely pump is so inaccesible and ALWYAS FUCKING BREAKIN!

17:13

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2100 @ 0.00081427 = 1.71 BTC [-]

17:13

KRS|gotyawallet: Well, with especially failed altcoins there is not uncommonly just one holder and setting the exchange rate so arbitrarily involves a minimal amount of actual money.

17:14

bitbars are "rare", so the price of one doesn't mean much. market cap of all them is only $600k

17:14

http://coinmarketcap.com/

17:14

Crypto-Currency Market Capitalizations | Bitcoin Litecoin Peercoin Namecoin QuarkCoin Megacoin Proto

17:15

there's $50m in quarkcoinz?

17:15

lol

17:15

Sooo dude from fortune just asked me if he can fund coinbr account with credit card...

17:15

litecoin almost $1b

17:16

not so fortunate he can afford real mpex i guess

17:16

or maybe he emailed them to

17:17

too

17:17

Lol jurov`

17:18

company card?

17:18

a lot of people are going to receive teh proverbial "sore anus" at some distant future.

17:19

Dunno what card, i rejected. But maybe i can actually sell the card for btc and use that to fund the acct?

17:19

ThickAsThieves sucks for the designers.

17:19

http://metro.co.uk/2013/12/03/katana-kitsao-gona-kenya-goat-sex-attacker-faces-victim-in-court-4211564/

17:19

Katana Kitsao Gona: Kenya goat sex attacker faces victim in court | Metro News

17:20

[HAVELOCK] [HIF] 3000 @ 0.00048972 = 1.4692 BTC [-]

17:20

<ThickAsThieves> litecoin almost $1b <<< do you realise most fiat companies are worth less than the lauighingstock altcoin ?

17:21

Oh and he wants to really short bitcoins not just buy/sell some options.

17:21

Anyone wants to lend him for lulz?

17:21

then cry to visa when he fails?

17:21

jurov` if he can't readily buy bitcoin how would he sell it ?

17:22

inb4 he ends up with 7k of mtgox usd he can't actually get sent to his acct and we get a forbes bitcointalk thread

17:22

why do the traditional short instead of playing options?

17:22

Hmmmm.. that's where the lulz come.

17:22

... So the Fortune editor is basically Bakewell 2.0? Can he even ident with gribble?

17:22

he wants to short?

17:22

benkay maybe because the plan is to short enough to move the price ?

17:22

how much?

17:22

send him in here

17:23

he'll probly find a deal

17:23

why so mean ThickAsThieves

17:23

Dunno. Not in mood to investigate.

17:23

BingoBoingo: he hit irc from a web client.

17:23

mean?

17:23

i guess bulls are mean

17:23

benkay: Still doesn't preclude getting in the WoT

17:23

and I am a Taurus after all

17:23

ha.

17:23

BingoBoingo: implies insufficient familiarity with the toolchain to get in the WoT.

17:24

So should i just write him i have friends on irc and they will loan you?

17:24

anyway, i would imagine guy got a good enough starter to figure what's what. at this point either he's on a deadline for the next article and well, just drops the entire thing,

17:24

or else embarks on the 6 mo to a year of lurking, reading and so on.

17:24

benkay: He's a senior editor. I'm pretty sure he can bully one of his help desk dorks into loaning him the coins.

17:24

nah, his help desk dork with btc is worth more than him now

17:24

BingoBoingo and then he gets davout to whitelist him on btc central or what ?

17:24

maybe they gonna out satoshi

17:25

BingoBoingo: his help desk dorks don't have enough btc to short and move the price anywhere

17:25

mircea_popescu: I imagine he does an OTC trade in a rest stop bathroom?

17:25

well... of course they don't.

17:25

;;market sell 1000

17:25

A market order to sell 1000 bitcoins right now would net 1115751.6083 USD and would take the last price down to 1100.0000 USD, resulting in an average price of 1115.7516 USD/BTC. | Data vintage: 0.0702 seconds

17:25

mega-slippage

17:25

;;market sell 1000000

17:25

A market order to sell 1000000 bitcoins right now would net 34063873.7035 USD and would take the last price down to 0.0017 USD, resulting in an average price of 34.0639 USD/BTC. | Data vintage: 16.7910 seconds

17:25

ThickAsThieves: can I kindly refer him to bitcoin powerhouse of TAT Investments?

17:25

not hanks

17:26

benkay to quote one of the better lines in city hall, "You ever seen a journalist with a million dollars in cash ?"

17:26

unless he wants to a secret shadowy silhouette article on me

17:26

are bloggers journalists?

17:26

all journalists are bloggers now.

17:26

lol TAT's a baller

17:26

truffles tat shorted the difficulty, i'll have you know.

17:27

subject im unfamiliar with

17:27

and he is gunna lose

17:27

mircea_popescu, ThickAsThieves how'd shorting the difficulty work out?

17:27

[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 115 @ 0.002735 = 0.3145 BTC [-]

17:27

shorting the difficulty never works out

17:27

the difficulty is a very long difficulty indeed.

17:27

"the market can remain irrational far longer than you can remain solvent"

17:27

i shorted diff?

17:28

bitbet

17:28

well that aint settled yet

17:28

benkay it can remain rational for even longer than you can remain irrational, is the catch

17:28

[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 1085 @ 0.00273959 = 2.9725 BTC [+] {3}

17:28

;;nethash

17:28

6400549.04237

17:28

stahp!

17:29

Last 7 lines bashed and pending review. (http://dpaste.com/1491849/plain/)

17:29

!b 7

17:29

he wait

17:29

totally.

17:29

it did stop

17:29

;;ident BingoBoingo

17:29

Nick 'BingoBoingo', with hostmask 'BingoBoingo!~BingoBoin@unaffiliated/bingoboingo', is identified as user BingoBoingo, with GPG key id 309BB8D7F3251143, key fingerprint ADD7A9A28F85E5EF1F51904F309BB8D7F3251143, and bitcoin address None

17:29

funniest thing i read all day.

17:29

thats the same diff from this morning?

17:29

nethash ! what r u doing! nethash! STAHP!!!

17:29

sorry, nethash

17:29

not diff

17:29

.d

17:29

707408283.05150 | Next Diff in 1256 blocks | Estimated Change: 24.1215% in 6d 14h 35m 14s

17:30

;;bcstats

17:30

17:30

i'm intrigued by the bitbet about difficulty falling

17:30

This blogger is willing to offer the Senior Editor a 2,500,000 Satoshi Grant to study shorting Bitcoin or a 5,000,000 Satoshi loan

17:31

interestingly enough, any arrangement wherein you borrow bitcoin and then sell it is, in fact, an option.

17:31

If he is serious he can find my email address embedded here http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/pgp/ or I'll probably still be lurking

17:31

well, that is the definition of a short

17:31

borrow and sell

17:31

yes.

17:32

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iL-3VLXNqAI

17:32

porsche using EMP device on Mullet Ride (to keep from being passed @ thunderhill) - YouTube

17:32

mike_c but your contract has an implicit strike (established by the interest you pay on the borrow and the price you get on the sale)

17:33

and it has an expiration (established by the borrow)

17:33

thus, it's exactly an option.

17:33

ha!

17:33

dat topological identity.

17:33

well yeah

17:34

i was wondering the other night how likely bitbet would be to displace formal options trading

17:34

how do you think options ended up existing in the first place,

17:34

it's not like i was bored one day and invented a new thing/

17:34

benkay not too likely, it's kinda clunky

17:34

ah, i see your point. got it.

17:34

well yeah and the whole otc lubrication of trade

17:34

yeah

17:34

er otc -> contract standardization i mean

17:37

where are the new Yes bets? http://bitbet.us/bet/519/btc-network-difficulty-to-top-1b-before-2014/

17:41

stephengandel: Do you have a bitcoin client of you own running yet?

17:41

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9200 @ 0.0008094 = 7.4465 BTC [-]

17:42

ThickAsThieves if you look at it, the yes side is few and mostly large bets, the no is mostly many small bets

17:43

this to me looks definitely like miners are dominating the yes side.

17:43

[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 883 @ 0.00274 = 2.4194 BTC [+] {2}

17:46

[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 125 @ 0.00274973 = 0.3437 BTC [+]

17:47

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ZWn2AaJoZo << here, because you're all nuts.

17:47

Animaniacs: Macadamia Nut **Lyrics in Description** - YouTube

17:49

[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 141 @ 0.00274982 = 0.3877 BTC [+] {2}

17:50

[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 7400 @ 0.0001099 = 0.8133 BTC [-]

17:50

[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 87 @ 0.00276 = 0.2401 BTC [+]

17:50

did Havelock skip having a forum thread for the new IPOz?

17:51

the 7c thing?

17:51

yeah

17:52

i didn't even look, i read the email then deleted it when i read the 3rd quarter 2014 part

17:52

[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1190 @ 0.00010995 = 0.1308 BTC [+]

17:53

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=354208.msg3791494;topicseen#new

17:53

SENIGMA a way forward?

17:53

look at those poll questions

17:53

hehe

17:53

[MPEX] [S.NSA] 1250 @ 0.00012 = 0.15 BTC [+]

17:54

i like voteing

17:55

7c IPOing soon, won't get anything done for a year (while btc price triples in the meantime) sounds like another VTX

17:56

[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 6032 @ 0.00011017 = 0.6645 BTC [+] {4}

18:00

[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 5699 @ 0.00011966 = 0.6819 BTC [+] {4}

18:01

didn't vtx also get hacked ?

18:01

7c would be a lot cooler if they were building a town in antarctica

18:01

"For a few months now, Whilst I hold my share prices at 0.012, When I started, This was nothing, Now it is starting to be something, Whilst this is good for early adopters who have got the value back already, Is this too high for anyone else to come in?

18:01

Your thoughts here."

18:01

what ?

18:02

what part of the "i hold my share prices" do i woefully misunderstand ?

18:03

i think it's a PMB and/or scam

18:03

but i aint gonna dig deeper

18:04

so is it an actual bond, as in, with a principal and everything ?

18:04

[HAVELOCK] [VTX] 1 @ 0.156 BTC [-]

18:04

yep, he buys mining equipment. dividends exist. the end

18:05

so then how does he hold the shares at whatever

18:05

http://www.coindesk.com/btc-e-exchange-banking-issues/

18:06

"for many weeks" ?

18:06

[MPEX] [O] [O.USD.C095T] 320 @ 0.04412653 = 14.1205 BTC [-]

18:06

I will set a buy back out at 20% ???

18:06

the dude has colleted less than 10btc

18:06

https://cryptostocks.com/securities/45

18:07

[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 2000 @ 0.00278701 = 5.574 BTC [+] {7}

18:07

good day for neo

18:07

Ive sent large amounts by wire and its always worked within 24 hours. Check your deposit "

18:07

retardds. obviously wires in would work fine.

18:10

so does btc-e carrying litecoin prevent the Gox effect here?

18:10

[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 1292 @ 0.00278768 = 3.6017 BTC [+]

18:10

[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.33676818 BTC [-]

18:10

which one of you is mircea_popescu ?

18:10

snackman kakobrekla.

18:10

i'm really jurov, who is ThickAsThieves.

18:10

it's complicated, because finance.

18:10

pathethic piece of romanian scum

18:10

or whatever post-communist shithole you come from

18:11

didnt see that one coming

18:11

now taking bets on how long before snakcmna is banned or run out of here

18:11

[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 11 @ 0.33586098 = 3.6945 BTC [-] {8}

18:11

the dazzling variety of irc.

18:11

this gypsy owes me 1,000,000 US-dollar cents

18:11

0,0

18:11

(which, i will have you know, somalis pronounce irtz)

18:12

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FE0XcdM22Yo

18:12

[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 1440 @ 0.00278768 = 4.0143 BTC [+]

18:12

Scatman John - I'm A scatman - YouTube

18:12

lol

18:12

no, but seriously guys

18:12

ok sorry

18:12

snackman http://trilema.com/2013/the-strange-case-of-the-delusionist-and-later-stories/ << check out the cartoon.

18:12

it's about you.

18:12

mircea_popescu: ok hold on

18:13

the oglaf guy has some good stuff

18:14

mircea_popescu: nice cartoon, also nice post btw

18:14

is that you in the header picture?

18:14

yes.

18:14

it's jurov of course

18:14

aw shit. caught in my own web of lies

18:15

ThickAsThieves it's a woman!

18:15

it's just a pyramid

18:15

calm down

18:15

no i mean the oglaf GUY. it's a girl.

18:15

ah ha!

18:15

that explains a lot

18:15

so rarely women do anything worth the mention. why rob them of the little they do.

18:15

well, mircea_popescu, sorry but i can't get it out of my head: *why* do you not want to pay me my 10btc back. please just explain it to me in a calm and rational way

18:16

i was just like wow this dude is very progressive with these gay frames

18:16

snackman actually, there was a post about that, too. didja read that ?

18:16

mircea_popescu: i did.

18:16

well that's about it.

18:17

mircea_popescu: i'm listening to what you have to say. that post developed into a bashfest

18:17

as all the roads lead to rome, all the questions lead to trilema

18:17

the trirome!

18:17

and the roastions

18:18

trirome, pronounced like tyranny

18:18

no, like tryrammy.

18:18

like thrice rammed.

18:18

when in rome

18:18

mircea_popescu: i'm still listening. you are wasting my precious time

18:19

you got that a little backwards neh ?

18:19

we're all wasting each other precious time, dont give him all the credit

18:19

no homo.

18:19

mircea_popescu: you might wanna look up megalomania then

18:20

surely he has it tatooed on his penis

18:20

i was thinking... this guy's theory is that i simultaneously invented the thing and also don't know what it is ?!

18:21

megalomania is an awesome old RTS game

18:21

snackman, why did you bet so late

18:21

mircea_popescu: so then tell me, why are your genes contaminated by sub-human east european scum parents?

18:21

o.o

18:21

fast bux are the best bux derp

18:21

ThickAsThieves: because i wanted to make the most out of it

18:21

yeah

18:21

don't they teach debate in school anymore ?!

18:22

make the most loss out of it?

18:22

did he just call mp a nigger?

18:22

mircea_popescu: at least we have schools here :)

18:22

cancelled due to budget cuts mp :P

18:22

i think i should be insulted by being related to the hottest chicks on planet earth or something

18:22

for everybody, not just the overprivileged party members

18:22

mircea_popescu: nah, i don't think that

18:22

where's that mit video

18:22

if it's not football it's not funded

18:22

does bitbet have a minimum bet? seems like they'd lose money on transaction fees if I don't bet much?

18:23

mircea_popescu: tbh, it's kinda hard to debate an online nickname that has taken 10btc from you and tries to keep it using "arguments"

18:23

jamespeerless no minimum bet so far.

18:23

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ve23i5K334 <<

18:23

MIT genuises with lightbulb - YouTube

18:23

truffles: he took my btcs

18:23

Bunnyh

is the NO on bitbet charts really gray? seems teal to me

18:23

Bunnyh im colorblind.

18:23

why'd he take em snackman?

18:23

Bunnyh

ok,i thought i am

18:24

snackman it's not a nickname dood. that's my name.

18:25

jamespeerless the reason is that we're oldfags, which means rich, which means with a lot of old coinbases, which means tx are free. or something.

18:25

what do you mean? why would they be free

18:26

the prioritization of txs takes into account the concept of "bitcoin days destroyed"

18:26

that's the product of a coinbase's volume with its age.

18:26

truffles: because my transaction was not confirmed in time

18:26

truffles: it was placed on the correct bet though

18:26

so if you have 1k btc that weren't moved for 3 years, you get about 1mn times the priority of a 1btc that was moved yest.

18:26

got it

18:26

makes sense

18:27

snackman gotta read fine prints

18:27

in principle it's good for the network to keep moving coins around, i suspect.

18:27

imo just bigger chain

18:27

or at least satoshi thought so for some reason.

18:27

why

18:27

where

18:27

it's one of the points i don't quite grasp tbh

18:28

truffles: they weren't, they were FAQs, and i never agreed to them, also this particular clause was *surprising*, therefore not applicable for yet another reason

18:28

kakobrekla well because of the particular design, seems implicit in it.

18:28

Hey MP, how bout a compromise, put "Late Bets Will Be Retained" or such on the Send Bitcoins page of bitbet

18:28

mircea_popescu is only not returning them because he assumes that it is unlikely that i will sue him in romania

18:28

so ur situation was outside of terms ?

18:28

ThickAsThieves the problem with this approach is that 1. it empowers nonsense and 2. it bloats pages.

18:28

faqs are accepted to form contract

18:28

truffles: yet, because the txn was sent before, it only arrived later because nobody confirmed it

18:28

interestingly educatoin in .us and .ro sucks somewhat equally

18:29

i always took the priority the opposite, that is - it is discouraging moving coins too much by giving recently spent coins lower priority

18:29

mircea_popescu not like you can mitigate it

18:29

Vexual: yes, if they explicitely ask you to confirm them, which they didnt

18:29

though dumb romanians are smarter than dumb americans

18:29

Vexual: also only if there are no surprising clauses

18:29

mike_c when i say move coins around i mean, not have very old coinbases.

18:29

so you dont think "reasonable man" is a concept to consider?

18:29

?

18:29

a reasonable man would likely assume his bet would either be valid at the time of sending, or refunded at a fee

18:29

a reasonable man reads the contract

18:30

mircea_popescu has forgotten the current btc price, making my loss around 12000 usd, making it more than worth pursing a lawyer. also for the satisfaction of seeing this bastard lose in court

18:30

snackman i get what ure saying, id already have refunded u if it were my biz though, gl

18:30

a reasonable contract typically wouldnt have snares

18:30

ThickAsThieves a reasonable man would not send bitcoin on the basis of his assumptions.

18:30

truffles: thanks.

18:30

otherwise the reasonable man can start sending to random addresses.

18:30

mircea_popescu: nice non sequitur

18:30

mircea_popescu: and nice attempt derailing his point

18:31

do what you want, i;m just sayin youll likely have this problem continually

18:31

seriously, if it is such an important amount of money why didn't you do a little research first? doesn't that seem wrong to you at all?

18:31

[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 200 @ 0.00278768 = 0.5575 BTC [+]

18:31

mike_c: there was not much time left

18:31

ThickAsThieves well, i'm doing what i think is right, and in so doing i'm preventing others from having the same sort of problem all the time.

18:31

right.. so you should not have done it.

18:31

mike_c: also, i followed the basic rules: bet on what you think will win

18:31

the space in which bitcoin busienss will happen is primarily shapen by what sort of precedent we create for it.

18:32

<mircea_popescu> ThickAsThieves well, i'm doing what i think is right, and in so doing i'm preventing others from having the same sort of problem all the time. <<< fair enough

18:32

mircea_popescu: you are a scum to the bitcoin economy and community

18:32

mircea_popescu: you are but a leach, you are what is disgraceful in human beings

18:32

snackman im the largest thing in it ya klutz.

18:32

snackman you would be a good diplomat

18:32

ThickAsThieves: why?

18:32

snackman: can you settle a bet for me. have you placed any more bets on bitbet yet?

18:32

you have a way with words

18:32

mircea_popescu: then why would 10btc matter to you?

18:33

he just said why

18:33

cmon snack, fess up. you've place more bets haven't you :)

18:33

because he feels his policy helps create the kind of world he wants to live in

18:33

ThickAsThieves: why would i be a good diplomat?

18:33

you wouldnt

18:33

it's a joke

18:34

you suck at convincing people to help you

18:34

i dont think u want him to be more convincing

18:34

i will send you 0.001 btc if you answer me. it will help you recover.

18:35

thats a general you

18:35

whats all this drama now?

18:35

someone lost money.. on bitbet?

18:35

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3950 @ 0.00081266 = 3.21 BTC [+]

18:35

yeah they sent money after the answer was known

18:35

turbo_ac100

Namworld, I can't get my S.BBET and S.BBET redeemed. That's still possible right?

18:36

interesting

18:36

turbo_ac100, jurov`can help you, via coinbr.com

18:36

mike_c: of course i have placed more bets afterwards on bidbet

18:37

ThickAsThieves: lie

18:37

turbo_ac100

ThickAsThieves, thanks

18:37

lol

18:37

Duffer1: they are lying to keep my ONE MILLION cents

18:37

awwww, sweet, i win. post address and i will send the donation

18:37

my address?

18:37

if you want the 0.0001 btc i promised

18:38

er, 0.001

18:38

i don't believe they would have to lie to keep your money, there must be something i'm missing

18:38

mike_c: make sure you pay the fee

18:38

Duffer1 a 10 page forum thread

18:38

lol

18:38

not like my opinion matters at all in this anyways, i was just curious

18:38

erf, i'll pass, hehe

18:38

mike_c: might want to also check if snackman is the 1 person that doesnt require confirmations

18:39

mike_c: 16TNs3DYjkGZrnEW4KV7ust6sWU3Esk7eW

18:39

in 2020 mike_c will be all like "well sonny, i remember back in the old days, mp was there, and i sent this kid a whole bitcent on a lark"

18:39

hehe

18:39

Duffer1: problem was actually that the bet was already resolved when his tx/bet was confirmed which - according to bitbet's faq - entitles bitbet to keep the coins

18:39

"yeap. that's how it was back then..."

18:40

and the lawyer got paid a three yeart retainer on that one case...

18:40

mircea_popescu: do you know if sendmany only charges one transaction fee regardless of # of recipients?

18:41

one tx, one fee

18:41

jamespeerless i knowandit does.

18:41

andineed a newspacebar

18:42

what about the 'per kb' rules? i think i read somewhere that 5 recipients is about 1kb? any merit to that?

18:42

looking back on how much a trilemna page view cost should be fun

18:42

jamespeerless the recipients aren't the problem. it's about 60 bytes per

18:43

your inputs are often the problem, because 1 btc could be made out of 100 mn inputs, aka 10gb

18:43

mircea_popescu: do you have a larger version of your avatar https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?PHPSESSID=5rlspco75dem9q993n3gh96j90&topic=350342.msg3752137#msg3752137

18:43

?

18:43

you know that's not actually me ?

18:43

dexx7 i see, thanks

18:44

mircea_popescu: your *avatar*

18:44

...

18:44

it's not my account dood. it's my pr chick.

18:45

mircea_popescu: yes, i know. it's not her either, just a random pic from the internet

18:45

http://neogrotesque.net/wp-content/uploads/avatar-3.jpg

18:45

snackman, mircea is schizophrenic

18:45

ThickAsThieves`: i know right

18:45

common in the colorblinded

18:45

sigh

18:45

lol

18:45

[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 262 @ 0.00278768 = 0.7304 BTC [+] {3}

18:45

snackman http://trilema.com/2013/the-stuff-all-good-conspiracy-theories-start-with/ scroll down

18:46

LOL

18:46

This article is available for a fee.

18:46

megalomania at its finest :D

18:46

bloggin aint easy

18:46

seems you read a bunch. get a proxy.

18:46

lol

18:46

this was telling

18:46

[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 286 @ 0.00278769 = 0.7973 BTC [+]

18:46

what's the amount of free articles again?

18:46

http://trilema.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/further-image.jpg

18:47

no, i scrolled through a bunch of them to see if this counter was real or trolling

18:47

yea, dude is running around telling everyone not to use bitbet and avoid mp. all the while still useing bitbet and hanging on mp's every blog

18:47

mike_c: where are the horses?

18:47

thats not mp in that table pic

18:47

bottom right is mpoe-pr

18:47

counting and reading all on the same day?

18:47

dub: i literally just explained to you why the counter was 0

18:48

dexX7 5/week

18:48

oh that reminds me of that joke

18:48

Vexual: i klicked on 6 articles to see if the fee counter was a troll, which would have been funny indeed, if not, retarded as fuck

18:48

...

18:49

It's hard to explain puns to kleptomaniacs because they always take things literally.

18:49

mircea_popescu: are company reports exempt from fee?

18:49

anyway, the guy on the right there with the dorky hairdue is actually the lawyer you'll probably end up having to argue with

18:49

mike_c yes, if you don't need to read more than 20 a month.

18:49

mircea_popescu: who doesn't have a dorky haircut in the picture?

18:49

mircea_popescu: also, what picture is this?

18:50

snackman well you're poor and so can't afford the context.

18:50

mircea_popescu: let the king explain to the peasant then

18:50

[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 85 @ 0.0028 = 0.238 BTC [+] {2}

18:50

just use mike's cent to buy some credits

18:51

I GET ALL THE COINS

18:51

mircea_popescu: how many do you own?

18:51

wait for a month so it matures first

18:51

.d

18:51

707408283.05150 | Next Diff in 1243 blocks | Estimated Change: 24.4964% in 6d 12h 14m 26s

18:51

[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 200 @ 0.0028 = 0.56 BTC [+]

18:52

mircea_popescu: also, if you happen to get any higher resolution pix of your PR chick, let me know.

18:53

i'll see if google turns anything up.

18:53

ya that doesn't sounds creepy dude

18:53

mircea_popescu: i'd happily wank to a girl that's into bitcoins

18:53

mircea_popescu: it didn't

18:53

mircea_popescu: oh sorry, misunderstood you

18:53

mircea_popescu: please do

18:55

mircea_popescu: also, if you would be willing to return even, let's say 10% of the money, that would save both of us lots of stress and i would not bother you again

18:55

seeing that i probably will really have to contact a lawyer...

18:55

use your noggin for thinking : if my return from hanging out here were actually negative, i wouldn't or else i'd have you sent off.

18:56

that sentence

18:56

make no sense

18:56

what srsly ?

18:57

i'm just saying, talking to random peeps on irc isn't stressing me, it's mildly enjoyable.

18:57

mircea_popescu: Clarification on a much earlier point of yours. No lawyers presentinga criminal defense, but lawyers are fine arguing in civil cases?

18:57

BingoBoingo sure. the worst they can do is lose you some money.

18:57

Fuck, I think I've been doing this legal shit backasswards.

18:57

that's no different from hiring a plumber.

18:57

the guy donated $12k to you, might sa well hang out on irc

18:58

[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 148 @ 0.0028 = 0.4144 BTC [+]

18:58

well, to the shareholders

18:58

shit, throw him some blog credits, he earned it

18:58

he also drummed up a lot of new business

18:58

no cause he insultged my megalomania by claiming my troll counter is megalomaniac

18:59

mp is 80% of shareholders tho

18:59

nah

18:59

dub no i'm not, im under 50%

18:59

orly

18:59

mircea_popescu: bets are weighted, so late bets do not disturb the force field

18:59

yesrly. kako and i have ~35% + w/e didn't sell of the 30% put on sale.

18:59

why do you even have share holders? why not just run it yourself?

18:59

snackman except if the bet closes early, cause that means the weight was out of whack.

19:00

jamespeerless i'm trying to build bitcoin into an actual thing.

19:00

by running a gambling website?

19:00

by running all sorts of things correctly.

19:00

jamespeerless: A great gambling website. I've won moar there than I lost on Satoshidice.

19:00

turbo_ac100

prediction market. please!

19:00

maybe bitbet should have a setting for each bet for rate of weight loss

19:00

a curve

19:00

ThickAsThieves` it was in the original spec

19:01

we cut it out, because curve notation is more than the average person can grok mentally

19:01

mircea_popescu: are you satoshi?

19:01

and having it graphical turned out to be insanely difficult.

19:01

so use gfx

19:01

mircea_popescu: if you are, i take everything back, the megalomania is justified

19:01

make 3 options

19:01

same rationale as 3-way resolutions

19:01

snackman no, i'm nick szabo.

19:01

mircea_popescu: so that's a yes

19:01

fast regular slow

19:01

ThickAsThieves`: What's next? Allowing bet creators to specify elliptic curves the bet weight passes through as it degrades over time?

19:01

yes, thats what we are talking about

19:01

ThickAsThieves` what's wrong with just setting the weight end point to 80k or w.e ?

19:02

appears we are past acceptance and into the dick slurping phase of grief

19:02

i think maybe i misunderstood end weight all along

19:02

which now seems obvious

19:02

ThickAsThieves` and you wanteds me to implement splines.

19:02

mircea_popescu: admit it dude

19:03

mircea_popescu: this entire escapade of mine was to test your style

19:03

o, there was deeper meaning ?

19:03

mircea_popescu: lol of course

19:03

i like it when there's deeper meaning

19:03

admit what snackman did mp

19:04

and what i assumed was confirmed beyong expectation

19:04

beyond*, as typos are made when you're excited

19:04

if true then your actions are too meta for me to grock..

19:05

Duffer1 it probably has something to do with post communism.

19:05

oh lawd you're not helping mp lol

19:05

snackman: The simple answer is to get your bets in much earlier. As close to opening as possible. Just draw a bullseye on a piece of paper and jack off. If more cum is on the right bet yes. On the left bet no.

19:05

mircea_popescu: not being engrained into mainstream economics by birth certainly helped you

19:06

BingoBoingo: the conversation moved on, screw the play money, i have a much bigger fish to catch

19:06

BingoBoingo do you have a bitbeteratorium ?

19:06

snackman: fishing for buttcorns?

19:06

sending an email to wikimedia re: donation request pop-up:

19:07

No bitcoin option? Fairweather friends get no shine.

19:07

mircea_popescu: Maybe? Maybe instead of the paper bullseye though I hire a pair of tits. I'm trying to imagine snackman's budget though.

19:07

benkay: i have enough, thank you. i got in early

19:07

snackman: your aggro over 10 seems unwarranted then

19:07

it's incredible how many people that got in early showed up late.

19:07

we'd have never guessed in like, 2012.

19:07

snackman: Actually in IRC everything is roughly on topic for at least 24 hours after it was last mention provided you scroll up

19:08

snackman holds all the buttcorns. it's his private pre-mined altcoin, mircea_popescu, not actual bitcoins.

19:08

benkay: please read the last 5 minutes. the entire thing was an act, carefully orchestrated, and mircea_popescu fell for it graciously

19:08

that's what he means by "got in early"

19:08

mircea_popescu: To be fair before you showed it was pretty much just the dev circle jerk and the Silk Road honey pot

19:09

then mp said "let there be tits1

19:09

and lo tits rain galoare.

19:10

snackman: I'll give you 5,000,000 Satoshis for a sharpie in the pooper pic with BB written on your asscheeks

19:10

BingoBoingo: the address is up there

19:10

it's not mine btw

19:11

snackman: It honestly is seeming now like nothing is yours, but the cold embrace of nothingness. How is the void?

19:12

[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 10090 @ 0.0001011 = 1.0201 BTC [-] {2}

19:12

ThickAsThieves`: considering half of wikimedia corp is gmaxwells sausage wallet, they've probably consdired it

19:12

he who own's the keys owns the coins. and he who own's the void owns...

19:12

shit

19:12

clearly it didnt rustle jimmies jimmies

19:13

i have found satoshi

19:14

[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 936 @ 0.00278769 = 2.6093 BTC [-] {2}

19:14

snackman: Nah, for that you'd have to check someone's freezer

19:15

BingoBoingo: why do you think that?

19:15

BingoBoingo: why actually kill him to prevent his coins from crashing the market? why not just delete his keys?

19:15

snackman: Dude invented a cryptocurrency and was paranoid as fuck? Satoshi is probably mooching off of pizza rolls someone else's mom bought

19:16

BingoBoingo: i thought you meant in someone's freezer meant dead

19:16

snackman: Who the fuck are you Jeffery Damer?

19:17

he certainly eats some penus

19:17

BingoBoingo: sorry, pills

19:17

BingoBoingo: work both ways

19:17

you're too young to be taking pills.

19:18

mircea_popescu: Moar like not ratchet enough...

19:18

;;ud ratchet

19:18

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=ratchet | A diva, mostly from urban cities and ghettos, that has reason to believe she is every mans eye candy. Unfortunately, she's wrong. Typical signs to ...

19:18

Urban Dictionary: ratchet

19:18

mircea_popescu: i lived long enough to witness your birth

19:19

;;ud subhuman romanian nigger scum

19:19

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=kike&defid=1479218&page=2 | ... Europe (Poland, Romania or Russia), whose family names often ended with "ki " ... Neo-Nazi scum claim that "kikes" control both major US political parties and ...

19:19

Urban Dictionary: kike

19:20

snackman http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-11-2013#389001

19:21

mircea_popescu: haha where did you get that pic?

19:21

S.NSA

19:22

S.NSA is gunna kill SnapChat

19:22

mircea_popescu: why have separate addresses for each bet instead of just a single address that holds bets for YES and NO?

19:22

http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-11-2013#389017

19:22

#bitcoin-assets log

19:22

o yeah fuck alomost forgot!

19:22

jamespeerless how do you identify who sent which ?

19:23

jamespeerless: So people can continue betting on the same position

19:23

there's numerous advantages.

19:23

mircea_popescu: can't you read the from address in the transaction block?

19:23

you can but you don't want to, because this way people can send from webwallets or w/e

19:23

Sometimes you wanna hedge. Sometimes you wanna take all of the position.

19:24

why can't they send from web wallets if you did a single address per bet option

19:24

[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 45 @ 0.33513812 = 15.0812 BTC [-] {3}

19:24

cause if 5 peopel sent from the same wallet to the same bet your identifiocation scheme would fail

19:24

also because if i sent the winnings to the address that sent the bet people would end up fucked if they sent from a wallet.

19:25

(as most wallets don't have any way to associate their payment system to their users)

19:25

[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 2539 @ 0.0028 = 7.1092 BTC [+]

19:25

nice

19:25

everything here is a scam

19:25

hm I guess I don't understand "wallets" enough then.. i thought an address was an address

19:25

even mike_c didn't send his promised coins

19:25

lol

19:25

not practical for a web wallet to allocate addresses to users

19:25

because it has to coldstore its btc

19:25

ah got it

19:25

makes sense

19:26

snackman maybe he didn't include a tx fee ?

19:26

seems like most wallets let you generate receiving addresses though

19:26

mircea_popescu: bahahhaahah

19:26

receiving yes. but they pay from wherever is convenient.

19:26

i like that setup

19:26

mircea_popescu: what a jew indeed

19:26

i just went to my local casino and tried betting after the bell. Apparently the chips go to the house.

19:26

maybe i will meet him in the synagoge on saturday

19:26

very convenient when you have coins in 10 diff places

19:27

it dioes have its advantages

19:27

ThickAsThieves`: Who doesn't spread their coins over at least 7 places?

19:27

[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 250 @ 0.00288 = 0.72 BTC [+]

19:27

Jesus doesn;t

19:27

bitcoin jesus ?

19:27

which one?

19:28

Pietilla Maxwell Von Ver ?

19:28

stephengandel, that Bitcoin Jesus

19:30

whatever happened to IceDrill anyway?

19:30

mircea_popescu: btw, how much did you cash out?

19:30

when btc hit 1kusd?

19:30

[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 76 @ 0.00289 = 0.2196 BTC [+]

19:30

lol

19:30

"cave early"

19:30

Unless we get into some weird gnostic Bitcoin theology where Amir Taaki was Satoshi/Jesus and then gave himself downs syndrome to hide his secret.

19:30

benkay: ?

19:31

BingoBoingo satoshi wasn't a virgin.

19:31

mircea_popescu: At some point he/she/monkeyfuckingapig was...

19:31

vd in the orginal code?

19:32

well at that point satoshi wasn't satoshi yet.

19:32

well gosh snackman read the log for the past 10 days then you might have a clue as to the references

19:33

Considering earlier references in this channel has anyone seen Amir's hair yet?

19:33

http://www.icedrill.io

19:33

IceDrill.ASIC: a DigiMex project

19:33

digital mexicoins!

19:33

what's with the .io stuff anyway ?

19:33

they're all scams!

19:34

mexicoin, possibly the best name for a nationcoin?

19:34

vaticoin

19:34

i liked the .io a lot cause of the jupiters moon

19:34

sovcoin.

19:34

kakobrekla ya but then they went and inputsio'd all over it

19:34

mod6

i used Io once as a a scabble word and was rejected :(

19:34

yea :(

19:34

(dunno if that cognate works in somalian. to enstinken)

19:35

chococoin

19:35

backed by vanilla.

19:35

Well, we will know when we've hit forbidden territory when .Europa happens.

19:36

so icedrill has oodles of hardware, just none that mines?

19:36

http://www.icedrill.io

19:36

IceDrill.ASIC: a DigiMex project

19:36

oops

19:36

https://plus.google.com/photos/100533316768811011163/albums/5946837483879253265

19:36

IceDrill.ASIC DC visit

19:37

ethere they are https://plus.google.com/photos/100533316768811011163/albums/5946837483879253265/5946840121426110546?pid=5946840121426110546&oid=100533316768811011163

19:37

what a nightmare

19:37

nono

19:37

they only have a space here afaik: https://plus.google.com/photos/100533316768811011163/albums/5946837483879253265/5946838391947548818?sort=1&pid=5946838391947548818&oid=100533316768811011163

19:37

and are waiting for hashfast units

19:37

i heard hashfast is scamming

19:38

what part of this couldn't have been filmed by a bored sysop anywhere on the planet?

19:38

hehe BingoBoingo :)

19:39

asciilifeform the girl.

19:39

I know you got the reference kakobrekla

19:39

o wait, nm. wrong webpage.

19:39

yeah, teh avatar is dead giva away

19:39

giveaway

19:40

The only problem with HAL is that the contractor's specs insisted he be programmed to run on a Java Virtual Machine

19:40

:D

19:41

ThickAsThieves`, are you joking about HashFast scamming?

19:41

maybe i'm just behind the times. but, picture some bozo: 'i'ma build a skyscraper. here's lots of pictures of my bulldozers, cranes! here's some cement mixers!'

19:42

No. You are current with the times.

19:42

Kleeck I am not joking

19:42

I could walk into my datacenter and snap a bunch of awesome pictures. It doesn't mean I'm mining a damn thing.

19:43

ThickAsThieves`, any data that lead you that direction? I have no skin in that game, but I've wondered. It's just a hunch.

19:43

a friend is considering legal counsel against Hashfast

19:43

the sane people version: 'built a skyscraper. here's what it'll cost ya per sq. m. come in?'

19:43

snackman: have some faith! my wallet is sync'ing. you'll have it soon.

19:43

that's all i know

19:43

Due to the delays?

19:43

i didnt ask for details

19:43

he was looking for a referral

19:43

transactions aren't instantaneous you know ;)

19:43

I see.

19:44

Not YET, mike_c

19:44

mike_c: hope dies last

19:44

hashfast is not shipping/delayed more than a month now

19:44

Don't they have a compensation program?

19:45

they have some strange refund policies, if you mean that

19:45

ThickAsThieves`: why is hashfast scamming?

19:45

same reason as all scammers i assume

19:45

it was the plan, or it became the plan

19:46

man jumps in front of moving bus. considers legal action against bus.

19:46

The cost of being legit is far less appealing than the old "cut and run" I'd assume.

19:48

asciilifeform originally this started as a hobbyst project.

19:48

people don't have 10k laying around the house.

19:49

consequently, the first fpga's were pretty much a potluck affair

19:49

that system worked

19:49

(everyone delivered, even bfl)

19:49

it was stretched past its usability into insanity by a desperate desire and need for stability. bitcoin doesn't offer much of that,

19:49

so people naturally tried to stick to what works

19:50

that's pretty much the story of how we ended up with the insanity.

19:51

Kleeck_ people fail to correctly value reputations.

19:51

There is some truth to that, mircea_popescu.

19:52

there's a lot of truth to it. let's lay it out : bozo comes in when bitcoin is 1 year old, can start a reputation within a week and be doing business within am onth.

19:52

he imagines the value of this is 1 month.

19:52

two years later, he needs to be 1 year+ old to be even considered, because now bitcoin is 4 years old.

19:52

Seems for Litecoin devotees this insanity is going to be magnified as CoinDesk has just reprinted so many people's "press releases" about impending litecoin ASICs and if a single manufacterer delivers it will have meant Litecoin skipped that awkward FPGA adolescence while still staying a fraction of a fraction of bitcoin

19:53

he goes on forum as a week old and is shocked at how mean people are, telling him to do 6 motynhs + of reading before he opens his mouth again

19:53

somewhere in there he failed to account for the fact that having kept his reputation intact for those two years is just about as valuable as having kept his bitcoins for two years.

19:53

[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 830 @ 0.00289 = 2.3987 BTC [+]

19:54

in fact, everyone evaluates their bitcoin exposure in terms of what their bitcoin holdings are. this is about half the story.

19:54

the other half is your wot account.

19:54

I agree.

19:55

BingoBoingo i dunno that anyone will ever deliver ltc asics. putting all that memory on a chip is not trivial.

19:55

[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 568 @ 0.00289784 = 1.646 BTC [+] {3}

19:56

ironically because of scrypt, fpgas are actually a much better choice for ltc than asics

19:56

unless, of course, you're sony or something.

19:56

mircea_popescu: Well I figure for some unknow n^th announcement one person or group will inevitably be crazy enough to produce the asics

19:56

[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 294 @ 0.0029 = 0.8526 BTC [+]

19:57

if such things were a function of people's crazyness...

19:57

[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 78 @ 0.0029 = 0.2262 BTC [+]

19:58

things like "some chick is crazy enough to produce a pic of a large wooden object stuck in her snatch" is one thing

19:58

"some guy makes an airplane" is altogether different

19:58

For all we know the person bankrolling LTC ASICs could be Curt Schilling and the Engineer could be some kid he picked on in highschool who merely has to fulfill the objective of making any LTC capable scrypt ASIC at all. Not necessarily anything close to a profitable scrypt asic.

19:59

for all we know i'm satoshi, and you're snackman

19:59

Of course. Maybe I'm Usagi?

20:00

[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 392 @ 0.0029 = 1.1368 BTC [+]

20:00

you got too big tits and too much beard to be usagi.

20:01

cazalla

thought Curt Schilling was bankrupt after his no show mmorpg

20:01

I may have plenty of beard, but I'll be damned if my tits are bigger than a grown man named Oliver's.

20:01

cazalla me too actually.

20:01

cazalla: Bankruptcy is just a fresh start

20:01

BingoBoingo well one's enough.

20:01

mircea_popescu: i'm snackman

20:01

no i'm snackman

20:02

cazalla

i don't know if any of you played EQ but Curt Schilling was a regular on fohguild forums

20:02

ManSnack

cazalla: That dork probably plays WoW too.

20:03

[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 47 @ 0.0029 = 0.1363 BTC [+]

20:06

mike_c: you scammed me out of 1000 uBTC

20:06

what is this shit

20:06

naw, hang on

20:06

i'm getting scammed left and right

20:06

1 minute

20:06

mkay

20:06

is this ltc asic news why it's rallying?

20:07

or a diff change?

20:07

or just cuz litecoin

20:08

coz cant launder 10000 btc on one chain

20:08

mike_c: hilarious, it worked! thanks!

20:08

double the promised sum because i loved your answer

20:08

mike_c: which one?

20:08

the "yes, i placed more bets on bitbet"

20:08

mike_c: :D

20:08

mike_c: but i did!

20:08

i believe you

20:09

.d

20:09

707408283.05150 | Next Diff in 1231 blocks | Estimated Change: 24.8029% in 6d 10h 9m 7s

20:11

the first time i actually got some money out of bitbet

20:12

hilarious

20:12

thanks mike_c

20:12

[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 103 @ 0.0029 = 0.2987 BTC [+]

20:12

[HAVELOCK] [VTX] 10 @ 0.1558366 = 1.5584 BTC [-] {4}

20:13

i'm not bitbet, but you're welcome.

20:14

[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 8176 @ 0.00012548 = 1.0259 BTC [+] {5}

20:21

twist : snackman scammed mike_c by falsely claiming to have placed more bitbets

20:22

Also scammed mike_c's betting counterparty

20:24

legals will be disproportinally large on 0.001

20:25

[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.34796684 = 1.0439 BTC [+] {3}

20:25

i sent him 0.002, so it will be worth litigating in a year.

20:26

just have your lawyer do the photocopying at your office

20:41

dat snackman is a weird one

20:42

deadweasel

very

20:43

[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 4000 @ 0.000125 = 0.5 BTC [-]

20:45

dub: why?

20:56

$avg

20:56

mike_c: An error has occurred and has been logged. Please contact this bot's administrator for more information.

20:58

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5300 @ 0.00081201 = 4.3037 BTC [-] {2}

21:00

$avg

21:00

snackman: An error has occurred and has been logged. Please contact this bot's administrator for more information.

21:01

mod6

$vwap s.mpoe

21:01

mod6: S.MPOE 1 day: average: 0.0008105 high: 0.00081642 low: 0.00078278 volume: 134803 btc: 109.25742952 7 day: average: 0.00080006 high: 0.0008476 low: 0.00078278 volume: 1375619 btc: 1100.57443755 30 day: average: 0.00081815 high: 0.00088996 low: 0.0007725 volume: 5988106 btc: 4899.16264344

21:04

[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 42 @ 0.0031412 = 0.1319 BTC [-]

21:05

[MPEX] [O] [O.USD.P140T] 450 @ 0.0308001 = 13.86 BTC [-]

21:05

[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1124 @ 0.00012599 = 0.1416 BTC [+] {2}

21:08

[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 35 @ 0.0029 = 0.1015 BTC [+]

21:08

[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1076 @ 0.0001269 = 0.1365 BTC [+]

21:15

[HAVELOCK] [KCIM] 3 @ 0.125 = 0.375 BTC [+]

21:18

snackman: your little routing in #bitcoin

21:18

routine jesus fuck

21:18

I need a new job

21:19

[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.34099 BTC [-]

21:20

[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.34601 BTC [+]

21:22

[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.34198 BTC [-]

21:22

<snackman> 16TNs3DYjkGZrnEW4KV7ust6sWU3Esk7eW this address just got 0.002 btc

21:22

<snackman> it's my address

21:22

<snackman> but i don't know from who i got it

21:23

<snackman> i never published it

21:23

<snackman> it's creepy as f*ck

21:23

shortly after mike_c's tx hit

21:23

nice

21:23

Namworld

I sometimes get random dust/BTC

21:23

Namworld

Not sure why

21:23

Namworld

at some of my random address

21:24

true to form the usual tard brigade took the bait, gmax and phantomcircuit

21:24

[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.33899 BTC [-]

21:25

[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.34400001 BTC [+]

21:26

[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.3379999 BTC [-]

21:32

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7350 @ 0.00080929 = 5.9483 BTC [-]

21:33

hi

21:46

guess i missed a little drama since i've been gone..heh

21:50

there's no end to bitcoin drama

21:51

[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 3473 @ 0.00012759 = 0.4431 BTC [+] {3}

21:51

aint it great

21:52

only if it's not you directly involved with it :( :( :( :(

21:52

[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 2492 @ 0.00013 = 0.324 BTC [+]

21:54

[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 17910 @ 0.00011607 = 2.0788 BTC [-] {3}

~ 16 minutes ~

22:11

mpex bot must be a little butthurt from last month :) lot size is 0.1 now but it still quotes for 1000 contracts

22:13

[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 38 @ 0.00289999 = 0.1102 BTC [+] {2}

22:26

;;ident BingoBoingo

22:26

Nick 'BingoBoingo', with hostmask 'BingoBoingo!~BingoBoin@unaffiliated/bingoboingo', is identified as user BingoBoingo, with GPG key id 309BB8D7F3251143, key fingerprint ADD7A9A28F85E5EF1F51904F309BB8D7F3251143, and bitcoin address None

22:28

;;ident KRS-1

22:28

Error: I am not seeing this user on IRC. If you want information about a registered gpg user, try the 'gpg info' command instead.

22:28

;;ident KRS

22:28

Error: I am not seeing this user on IRC. If you want information about a registered gpg user, try the 'gpg info' command instead.

22:28

;;ident KRS-

22:28

Error: I am not seeing this user on IRC. If you want information about a registered gpg user, try the 'gpg info' command instead.

22:33

[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.348425 BTC [+]

22:34

[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.348425 BTC [+]

22:34

;;ident KRS|gotyawallet

22:34

Nick 'KRS|gotyawallet', with hostmask 'KRS|gotyawallet!~foo@c-50-143-86-143.hsd1.fl.comcast.net', is not identified.

22:37

[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 15 @ 0.348425 = 5.2264 BTC [+] {2}

22:43

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10445 @ 0.00080922 = 8.4523 BTC [-] {2}

22:45

;;later tell mircea_popescu solar fart dude wants your PR girl to make some sort of decision on her "share" according to this post https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=293098.msg3678941#msg3678941

22:45

The operation succeeded.

22:50

dust TX, if they exist, could be interesting. bit flips from cosmic rays?

22:50

as seen here: http://dinaburg.org/bitsquatting.html

22:50

it happens

22:51

phun phact: most public key cryptosystems cough up key bits in this scenario.

22:51

consider the trivial case of RSA with lowest bit in 'p' or 'q' (pubkey = PxQ) flipped.

22:53

wonder if there is any research into encouraging them

22:53

suddenly 'p' (or 'q') is composite.

22:54

Ruh roh

22:54

http://english.cri.cn/6909/2013/12/03/2724s801532.htm

22:56

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NzW8rvyZmUE&feature=player_embedded

22:56

Do You Know Your Crypto Currencies? - YouTube

22:57

asciilifeform: Maybe you linked this, but I recall finding a paper on how SPARC chips can leak RSA keys given an attacker feeding the system sertain kinds of voltage fluctuations.

22:57

BingoBoingo: this is by no means particular to SPARC

22:57

asciilifeform: I imagine not.

22:58

if the probability of a 'cough' is sufficiently large, any system that can be 'milked' for RSA exchanges is vulnerable.

22:59

Well, the Cardano uses a battery for a reason...

23:00

moral: 1) single-tasking machine 2) performing crypto-ops when you want, and not when internet asks 1000x/sec.; 3) battery belongs to you and physically visible

23:01

4) change keys sometimes.

23:03

5) if everything else fails https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OXOvjf-IrL8

23:03

anybody feeling particularly energetic is invited to carry out an experiment:

23:03