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05:57 spyked http://btcbase.org/log/2019-03-09#1901047 <-- sounds reasonable; I've set it to redirect to a notice, at worst people will ask here if they're confused.
05:57 a111 Logged on 2019-03-09 17:44 mircea_popescu: spyked prolly should redirect to explanation tho. 404 is ambiguous here
05:58 spyked http://btcbase.org/log/2019-03-09#1901052 <-- ty asciilifeform!
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05:58 a111 Logged on 2019-03-09 21:37 asciilifeform: spyked et al : http://nosuchlabs.com/pub/gutentext.tar.xz << mirror (replaced the old tarball)
06:01 diana_coman mircea_popescu, in short, the keccak spec in its current form really since it considers input at bit-level and then goes on to mess about with some assumptions at bit-level and some at octet-level and making a lot of confusion without any good reason e.g. http://ossasepia.com/2018/02/08/eucrypt-chapter-9-byte-order-and-bit-disorder-in-keccak/#selection-55.383-63.563 ; one needs to disentangle that and put it in octet-only shape, octet stre
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06:01 diana_coman am as input/output, with the reference implementation to check against
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06:34 diana_coman http://btcbase.org/log/2019-03-10#1901346 -> confirmed it does! thank you trinque
06:34 a111 Logged on 2019-03-10 23:28 trinque: bvt: diana_coman: I wager that if you change line 14 of scripts/make_portage_tree.sh to the following, my sig will verify on the resulting genesis.vpatch : dest=$pdir/profiles/${src#$bdir/usr/portage/profiles/}
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08:38 feedbot http://ossasepia.com/2019/03/11/compiling-crystal-space-with-sjlj/ << Ossasepia -- Compiling Crystal Space with SJLJ
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08:55 mircea_popescu diana_coman ima re-read on this an' see.
09:08 diana_coman http://btcbase.org/log/2019-03-06#1900648 -> ftr asciilifeform you were right here; it was a server dep (crystal space) that was bringing in the non-sjljistic libs
09:08 a111 Logged on 2019-03-06 17:13 asciilifeform: afaik this can only mean that it is trying to link with a non-sjljistic gcc standard lib
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10:29 BingoBoingo hanbot: Will do this afternoon
10:35 * asciilifeform back inbiz
10:36 asciilifeform diana_coman: the imports in the asmolade were the 'smoking gun' there
10:37 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2019-03-10#1901308 << it's ALL! like this. the whole motherfucking x86 arch. where is there example of ~non~-ugliness, i'd like to learn.
10:37 a111 Logged on 2019-03-10 21:05 bvt: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-03-09#1901061 << iirc there were restriction on what regs can be used as base and index; another example of isa ugliness is MOV http://archive.is/w0IAC#selection-607.0-945.2
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11:02 trinque diana_coman: woohoo! thanks for your help and patience!
11:14 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2019-03-11#1901356 << after ch17 , asciilifeform is doomed to reimplement keccak, will have to load it into head, possibly will add to this recurrent thread
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11:14 a111 Logged on 2019-03-11 10:01 diana_coman: mircea_popescu, in short, the keccak spec in its current form really since it considers input at bit-level and then goes on to mess about with some assumptions at bit-level and some at octet-level and making a lot of confusion without any good reason e.g. http://ossasepia.com/2018/02/08/eucrypt-chapter-9-byte-order-and-bit-disorder-in-keccak/#selection-55.383-63.563 ; one needs to disentangle that and put it in octet-only shape, octet stre
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12:29 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2019-03-11#1901354 << spyked - i was thinking, 'let's make torrent', then realized that torrent is some (afaik) largely unexplored heathenware, possibly due for a civilized replacement. might be worth expanding on if anyone has free hands.
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12:29 a111 Logged on 2019-03-11 09:58 spyked: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-03-09#1901052 <-- ty asciilifeform!
12:29 asciilifeform !#s luby
12:29 a111 57 results for "luby", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=luby
12:29 asciilifeform ^ possible starting point for subj.
12:32 asciilifeform re 'torrent', consider fact that orig author is an unrepentant lulzcow and recidivist shitcoinist iirc
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12:33 asciilifeform aside from that, protocol per se also has well-known problems (the reliance on 'trackers', and general ease of 'poisoning')
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14:53 lobbesbot BingoBoingo: The operation succeeded.
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15:29 bvt trinque: after applying http://btcbase.org/log/2019-03-10#1901339 your signature verifies correctly. thanks!
15:29 a111 Logged on 2019-03-10 21:39 trinque: scripts/make_portage_tree.sh << line 14, I do string-munging on the path that's specific to my own filesystem layout
15:30 bvt rather, http://btcbase.org/log/2019-03-10#1901346
15:30 a111 Logged on 2019-03-10 23:28 trinque: bvt: diana_coman: I wager that if you change line 14 of scripts/make_portage_tree.sh to the following, my sig will verify on the resulting genesis.vpatch : dest=$pdir/profiles/${src#$bdir/usr/portage/profiles/}
15:31 bvt asciilifeform: https://gcd.cr.yp.to/papers.html -- rather new constant time gcd from djb. i did not look at it closely so can't say if it's anything good or belong to the kunstkammer
15:39 bvt also, i did not forgot about http://btcbase.org/log/2019-03-01#1899904 , but had too little time to investigate it properly; will try to do tests over this week and do a writeup on the weekend
15:39 a111 Logged on 2019-03-01 09:28 bvt: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-03-01#1899820 << will have a look at mes; so far potential deadline -- next weekend.
15:40 asciilifeform bvt: from surface look, loox like lulzy piece, e.g. 'The algorithm is not constant-time as shown but can be made constant-time with low overhead'
15:41 asciilifeform and he's doing what appears to be the classic dividing variant of gcd, + newton's method . so idea is to... introduce floatism!? ( and the assoc. eggogs )
15:41 asciilifeform pretty sad.
15:41 asciilifeform funny how easy to tell 'the new djb' from 'the old'
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15:42 * asciilifeform expected to find that linked item is re ~mass~ gcd, in the sense of 'bernsteinization' used in phuctor. but apparently djb has nothing to add re ~that~
15:43 asciilifeform in re single-shot gcd, you either ~look at the bits~ , and that's lehmer's (not constant-time-able) method, or you do not, and that's stein's or the division-powered one, and i suspect it can be proven that yer stuck with quadratic runtime if you dun look at the bits.
15:43 bvt iirc the c-t version of algorithm comes later - around section 5. there is a formula for calculating upper bound of iterations, but I did not check his math.
15:43 asciilifeform that being said, gcd is not the bottleneck of anyffin in ffa.
15:44 asciilifeform ( modular exponentiation is , in all operations which feature it )
15:46 asciilifeform see also http://btcbase.org/log/2019-01-11#1886360 + http://btcbase.org/log/2019-01-24#1889741 .
15:46 a111 Logged on 2019-01-11 17:34 asciilifeform: whereas the gcd litmus ( gcd(candidate, primorial) ) costs 1ms .
15:46 a111 Logged on 2019-01-24 00:44 asciilifeform: meanwhile , measurements : 2.533s is cost of 1 shot of 4096bit m-r (on standard tester iron)
15:47 bvt ok, i see
15:48 asciilifeform constanttimeized stein's o(n^2) gcd ( http://www.loper-os.org/?p=2963 ) is not only imho fast enuff (even a magical 100fold speedup in it, would not affect speed of rsa key gen measurably , consider above ) but fits-in-head and has no error terms.
15:49 asciilifeform so presently i cannot think of a scenario where i'd want to reopen the case of gcd.
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15:50 asciilifeform bvt: ty for the link tho, it confirms the (already yrs-long) suspicion that d00d's head is fulla maggots nao.
15:52 asciilifeform if the upstack note was unclear, btw -- you can do ~2500 4096b gcd's for the price of 1 4096b modexp.
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15:54 asciilifeform err, 4096b m-r (i.e. price of 2 modexps)
15:57 asciilifeform this is because a n-bit gcd (as appears in ch15 ffa) is simply 2n n-bit subtractions, 4n n-bit shifts, 2n n-bit muxes, plus some small change.
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17:08 trinque wahoo, second confirmation. thanks bvt !
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18:55 Mocky asciilifeform: what do you use to display code on your wordpress (e.g. http://www.loper-os.org/?p=2978#selection-1675.0-2781.10) ?
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19:21 asciilifeform Mocky: 'wp-syntax' circa '09
19:21 asciilifeform for the highlighting, i use mircea_popescu's js thing
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19:56 Mocky asciilifeform: wp-syntax is what I'm looking for, thx
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20:41 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2019-03-11#1901370 << not to discourage headloadings ; however ima try to get someone to do it by then.
20:41 a111 Logged on 2019-03-11 15:14 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-03-11#1901356 << after ch17 , asciilifeform is doomed to reimplement keccak, will have to load it into head, possibly will add to this recurrent thread
20:50 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2019-03-11#1901377 <<< quite.
20:50 a111 Logged on 2019-03-11 16:32 asciilifeform: re 'torrent', consider fact that orig author is an unrepentant lulzcow and recidivist shitcoinist iirc
20:51 mircea_popescu i can think of little more shameful than dood's "career", such as it is.
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21:50 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: if somebody does compact keccak tonight, i'ma only say thanks
21:54 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: djb imho evenmoar shame.
21:54 asciilifeform fell from greater height.
21:55 asciilifeform cohen otoh began as a nobody and finished same.
21:55 * asciilifeform brb,meats
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23:02 mircea_popescu there's this pic of some indistinct slut i posted once i'm too lazy to retrieve. she happens to be white, sports all manner of celtic cross tattoos, stylisized "SS" etc, is taking a coupla brown dicks.
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23:03 mircea_popescu that's the situation, djb never derped at length about republican values.
23:03 mircea_popescu one example that'd come close is that aurenheimer schmuck say, or the charlie shrimp.
23:03 mircea_popescu but these two cocksuckers ~never did anything~, they were lords like nubbins was one briefly.
23:04 mircea_popescu this is a huge fucking difference, at least in my eyes.
23:04 asciilifeform wait djb was lord ?!
23:04 asciilifeform how's that work
23:04 mircea_popescu djb was just some manalone. perhaps more talented than most, but manalone is manalone, like a very talented chimp. howsoever talented, the chimp's not a person.
23:05 mircea_popescu the cohen dork, ~claimed it~. like rms or linus or hwatever other, "cypherpunks" / "internet freedom" blablabla. like the piratebay dorks, like zimmerman, and so on.
23:05 asciilifeform a aaa
23:06 asciilifeform djb was imho textbook case of 'один в поле -- не воин'(tm)(r)
23:06 mircea_popescu i suppose.
23:07 asciilifeform ( i have nfi whether the ancients had this proverb, but betcha they did )
23:08 mircea_popescu there's of course http://trilema.com/2012/cine-se-casatoreste/#selection-61.94-61.383
23:08 asciilifeform cohen iirc was from day1 aligned with the wikitards & the rest of that gang of pseudo-republic people
23:09 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: 'cacatu de pe bec', that was a mega-piece, i recall
23:09 mircea_popescu spoke the words.
23:10 asciilifeform iirc the subj of the piece (the chinese 'empty chair' pantsuit nobel derp) finally bit it coupla yrs ago
23:11 mircea_popescu post-abortion complications ?
23:11 asciilifeform never saw his miami
23:11 asciilifeform possibly i've my chinese solzhenitsyns mixed up, idk
23:12 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2019-03-11#1901402 << seems legit.
23:12 a111 Logged on 2019-03-11 19:49 asciilifeform: so presently i cannot think of a scenario where i'd want to reopen the case of gcd.
23:13 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: imho half of 'fits in head' is specifically ~refraining~ from gilding the lilies that dun need gilding.
23:14 mircea_popescu quite.
23:20 feedbot http://bimbo.club/2019/03/philosophical-transactions-for-the-months-of-april-may-and-june-1716-part-iv/ << Bimbo.Club -- Philosophical Transactions. For the months of April, May and June, 1716. - Part IV.
23:23 asciilifeform ^ i've been waiting for that 1 from the beginning!111
23:24 asciilifeform the 1 with the http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-04#1878200 !
23:24 a111 Logged on 2018-12-04 00:46 asciilifeform: ru pathologists refer to subj as 'wax fetus', can't recall what it is in eng
23:26 asciilifeform wtf does the illustration have to do with it tho ? maybe mistake, and it is for adjacent section ?
23:26 asciilifeform nicoleci ^
23:28 nicoleci asciilifeform, glad it finally came - i really enjoyed reading it. probably one of the more bizarre transactions
23:30 nicoleci tbh all of the articles have been very interesting
23:30 mircea_popescu right!
23:38 nicoleci its been a pleasure transcribing them. really wish it was something they speak on in us schools, instead of trying to teach the periodic table by a song but w/e.
23:39 asciilifeform nah they prefer to http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-06#1679600
23:39 a111 Logged on 2017-07-06 15:09 mircea_popescu: which is how every god damned kid that was sexually abused through the process of socialist schooling (which is all of them -- education is education, and socialist school is definitionally sexual abuse of all children involved) ends up with the idea that newton sat down TO discover whatever he did (unimportant, really) and THEREFORE he did.
23:48 nicoleci true, im trying to get over my bitterness of all of the stolen time by the usg.
23:52 nicoleci asciilifeform, figure 31 on the illustration relates to the article
23:58 nicoleci (lower right corner) the transactions grouped the images from multiple articles on one or two pages
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