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00:00 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: i happen to know the 'logic', btw, it aint even a 'what countries pentagon plans for war', but dumb bean counter 'whom fewest translators for'
00:01 asciilifeform listed in alphabetical order.
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00:19 mircea_popescu desi ?! wtf.
00:19 asciilifeform btw they mostly use orc translators in the field. but i suspect mircea_popescu knew this.
00:21 asciilifeform ( and they also issue, or at least used to, little boxen with point-and-grunt ui with eng buttons and speaker to bark orders in vein of 'hande hoch!' on other end )
00:21 mircea_popescu srsly, the diff between dari and farsi is not unlike the difference between czech and "slovak"
00:22 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: read full list an' weep, they have ukr, old norse, ecclesiastical latin, koine greek...
00:22 asciilifeform esperanto.
00:22 mircea_popescu for all the good it does 'em...
00:24 * asciilifeform pictures daily life of old norse translator in us army
00:25 mircea_popescu all these languages, slovene, serbian, croatian, etceterian...
00:26 asciilifeform hey, gotta pay diploma'd translator, to convert between kakobrekla and josef brosz tito...
00:27 asciilifeform it's a racke^H^Hliving...
00:27 mircea_popescu https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terrorism_in_Europe << check out the fucking lulz.
00:41 mircea_popescu meanwhile in lulz nobody likely gives a shit about : romania apparently has some natgas in its chunk of black sea shelf ; usg wants to steal this ; ro senate wrote a law for them ; ro commons rejected it, because this one guy (liviu dragnea) said so. his majority collapsed because "hungarian" miniparty changed its mind overnight (ie, transparently got bought out) and well... guess who is "accused" of supposedly having FORCED
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00:41 mircea_popescu some random institution to employ a coupla gals that "weren't really working there".
00:41 mircea_popescu needless to say at this rate ima have rick perry anally raped on youtube.
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01:01 * mod6 just got back from playing hockey, for the first time in nearly a decade.
01:01 mod6 (to the dismay of my lungs)
01:02 mod6 I did score a goal though. (Should have had three if I wasn't such an out of shape pussy.)
01:02 mod6 So #winning, I think.
01:02 * mod6 reads l0gz
01:03 mod6 mmm. about to eat one of these cheddarworsts from the ukr place, and some ribs I smoked.
01:07 mod6 <+mircea_popescu> if this ends up settled by the mailing of a large quantity of alfajores... keks << hahah.
01:07 mod6 banks, who needs 'em.
01:15 mod6 it's like this cocksuckers hate money or something
01:15 mod6 *these
01:15 mod6 if you got the money, come on with it then!
01:16 mod6 don't these dorks listen to AC/DC? Money Talks, BS Walks.
01:18 mod6 usg has no money. all they got is BS.
01:29 mod6 <+mircea_popescu> make more than from coke in a few short years. << amen
01:32 mircea_popescu i see mod6 is in high spirits :)
01:33 mod6 :]
01:41 mod6 <+asciilifeform> upstack, i suspect mircea_popescu has the answ to the riddle of why bitcoin hasn't killed wu et al -- orcs still perceive having the option not to use btc << They have the option, ~for now~. We know, that the whole world currently runs on "magic money", currently. However, my hunch is that "magic money" and worlds built on fraud can not live for forever. They can last a long time, however
01:41 mod6 , and one can go broke betting against the irrationality of the whole thing. But when one-day comes, and the tide goes out, only hard assets will remain. They'll either take the Republic's BTC or eat tree bark like 1777.
01:42 mircea_popescu for the record i had some treebark earlier.
01:43 mircea_popescu fucking delicious
01:43 mircea_popescu cinnamon!
01:43 mod6 haha
01:43 mod6 ahhhhh
01:43 mod6 i like a bit of cinnamon from time to time too, typically in a warm drink
01:44 mircea_popescu coffee, as the case may be.
01:44 mod6 *nod* sometimes people throw them into a warm brandy drink. "hot tadi?" I think they're called.
01:45 mircea_popescu aha
01:45 mod6 I would pay for ring side seats to watch the hamptons fist fight over who gets to eat the bark off the shitty cottonwood trees that day though.
01:45 mod6 probably could make a mint on selling tickets to those events.
01:47 mircea_popescu but selling to whom
01:48 mod6 lol, fair point.
01:48 mod6 me, i guess.
01:49 mod6 Thinking of 'hot toddy' drinks makes me think of Euchre.
01:49 mod6 You ever play?
01:50 mircea_popescu well, i usually play bridge.
01:51 mircea_popescu euchre not so difficult, so sometimes indulge with a girl or something. but rarely.
01:51 mod6 *nod* yah, i hardly remember how to play. i remember it being kinda fun though, that and spades.
01:52 mod6 i've never learned bridge.
01:52 mircea_popescu kinda works best in a full complement, need 4 people.
01:53 mod6 one of these days I'll have to try to learn the game.
01:57 mod6 Well Sir, I'm thoroughly exausted. :] I better catch some zzz's. I bid you, Good Evening.
02:00 mircea_popescu nn
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03:12 hanbot http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-08#1859696 << just caught this. i don't get it, should we replace your name with nicole's nao also?
03:12 a111 Logged on 2018-10-08 23:37 mod6: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-08#1859589 << I didn't send, no. Should I replace Hanna's name in there and the phone number?
03:13 mircea_popescu lol
03:14 hanbot anyway the idea is to have an exhaustive list of news outlets with their contact email made, after which i'll have her mail that blurb; i expect something like a week's turnaround, and will report when it's done.
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03:17 mircea_popescu incidentally, anyone happens to have Outwitting Dad ? Hollywood Party ? (1930s, oliver hardy films. )
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03:34 deedbot http://bimbo.club/?p=50 << Bimbo.Club - TMSR Log Summary - 10/10/2018
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04:15 deedbot http://bimbo.club/?p=51 << Bimbo.Club - Costa Rica, the ultimate tease.
04:18 Mocky http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-13#1861524 >> if I manage to penetrate subj, I'll report
04:18 a111 Logged on 2018-10-13 00:00 asciilifeform: i'll be at least slightly surprised if he manages to penetrate subj; but i like good surprises
04:18 Mocky http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-13#1861536 >> also sunk $B into building largest military base in the region for usg. 'feud' seems like public theatre to my noob eyes. US is well respected here in contrast to gulf state back-turners.
04:18 a111 Logged on 2018-10-13 00:05 asciilifeform: i still dun fully grasp the supposed usg feud with qatar -- iirc the latter sank couple $B into usg's 'moderate rebels'
04:19 mircea_popescu Mocky yes, a full report on this hawala business very valued accomplishment.
04:25 Mocky I met yesterday with a chick who does the social media and photography for a local magazine. She's not a local but seems to have a good set of connections and eager to help me out.
04:29 Mocky She showed me the Souq Waqif, a large "street market" 2 city blocks in size, about half indoors (although the indoor part looks like narrow streets with a roof) it's like the cultural center for Qataris. various musical 'bands' playing traditional drum music
04:32 Mocky bought me dinner at an iraqi restaurant. seems like computer security is a huge thing here. even small companies like her magazine get 'cyber threats' at least weekly. bigger companies much more so. a lot of website and network hacking goes on.
04:35 mircea_popescu nb.
04:42 Mocky BingoBoingo, this is a short chick, btw, who walks around here alone on a daily basis, with a backpack for 6 years, never gets bothered
04:43 Mocky she says that ultimately every foreigner has a single named Qatari sponsor (typically company part-owner) who has the power to kick you out anytime and who gets hassled if you cause trouble
04:44 Mocky except for tourists who are very limited in stay duration
04:50 Mocky local Qatari men are shoe-ins for high level company / agency / gov jobs and often inherit a lot of wealth, and only ~100k of them so they aren't exactly drawn to street crimes
04:53 mircea_popescu does she know any of these ?
04:58 Mocky she didn't say so and I didn't ask her directly, but I will. She seems like a good asset for making further media contacts and cultural info (topic of magazine) and not direct contact to locals
05:01 mircea_popescu your show, i'm just watching it unfold!
05:01 mircea_popescu but anyway, i never heard of theft in muslim lands, in the general speaking.
05:01 mircea_popescu they managed to erradicate that much like the us managed to erradicate manhood : direct amputation.
05:06 Mocky the insect situation here hard to fathom. they just about don't have any. i saw a moth here on the first day, very small. and another moth outside last night, tiny.
05:07 Mocky outside last night in the city, stones throw from the bay, staring up at street lights during the interminable wait at crosswalks, not a single bug circling street lights, not a spider web
05:08 mircea_popescu dry.
05:08 mircea_popescu bugs need water, their principal design problem is that they have to be permeable for respiration, which results in water loss.
05:09 mircea_popescu at the time they were released, this was a good tradeoff. meanwhile the earth aged.
05:10 Mocky street food vendors, outdoor diners all safe from flying pests
05:14 Mocky and the horde of scrawny indian dudes with their skinny jeans, even the fat ones still have scrawny legs and wear skinny jeans
05:15 mircea_popescu that must be some sight.
05:17 Mocky these are the ones out on the weekend looking for night life downtown
05:17 Mocky in-group fashion trends, evidently
05:18 mircea_popescu your depeche mode style wil lcertainly fit right in :D
05:18 Mocky lol
05:19 Mocky yeah i better tone down the eye makeup
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09:09 ave1 diana_coman, I now have a good version of the crc32 bitwise constant time algo, but I ran out of time for today, so eta probably tomorrow.
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10:10 diana_coman ave1, that sounds good
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10:56 diana_coman does anyone recognise 173.198.225.102?
10:59 asciilifeform diana_coman: btc noad ? never connected to zoolag ( at least not in past month )
10:59 asciilifeform and dun seem to be a noad at all, for that matter
10:59 diana_coman asciilifeform, no, weird, single UDP message received from it by the UY node during tests
10:59 asciilifeform aah interesting
11:00 asciilifeform prolly shitware
11:00 asciilifeform diana_coman: plox to post the bytes ?
11:00 asciilifeform pretty curious what it said
11:00 diana_coman possibly, no idea really; but what, they just send random udp stuff on all ports?
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11:00 asciilifeform diana_coman: they probe for peers
11:01 diana_coman apparently I'll have to get all those unexpected messages in some readable format and post them, myeah
11:01 asciilifeform ( there could even exist something, somewhere, exploitable via magic packet )
11:01 asciilifeform diana_coman: would be pretty neat imho
11:02 diana_coman possibly; that would be my guess, some sort of magic packet
11:02 asciilifeform diana_coman: i suspect that most likely it was part of a ddos, and the forged return address happened to match yours
11:02 asciilifeform so victim/amplifier 'answered'
11:02 diana_coman ah, can be
11:03 diana_coman seems to be some address in the US and "corporate" fwiw
11:03 diana_coman anyways, will add to pile of weird for now and maybe later I get to look at it more
11:03 asciilifeform if it was indeed this, then subj ip is the victim
11:04 asciilifeform SSH-2.0-OpenSSH_5.3 is all he's got running there, tho
11:05 asciilifeform so prolly not ddos subject...
11:08 asciilifeform let's do a small gedankenexperiment, btw: let's suppose a botnet using pure udp for signals (say, signed packet.) can it find peers by random probe ? answer is -- very quickly:
11:09 asciilifeform say it has 50,000 nodes. then 2**32 / 50000 =~ 85899 packets sent at random is all that it needs to find a peer and rejoin its net.
11:09 asciilifeform this of course presumes that they all listen on 1 port; if not , then multiply the above by the # of ports in use.
11:10 asciilifeform in the former case, it only needs to send 1 per second, to find a peer within 24 hours.
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11:11 asciilifeform at any rate no intelligently-written piece of shitware really needs a central control box, it merely gotta shoot at random, and will find its fellows.
11:12 asciilifeform ( and yes reality is a bit moar complicated, most bots are behind nat and won't be immediately reachable like this. but it is not impossible to picture a net with say 10,000 udp-reachable nodes . )
11:13 asciilifeform the ~86k packets is a worst-case avg, obviously, per 'birthday theorem' it will succeed almost certainly sooner
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11:17 asciilifeform meanwhile, in the lulz collectors, http://logs.bvulpes.com/asciilifeform?d=2018-10-13#441696
11:22 asciilifeform incidentally, i must add that if the bots are trooly pwned, and receiver lives in kernel ( or iron... ) then 'ports' dun matter at all, receiver can listen to erry packet sent its way .
11:24 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-13#1861545 << same way unwashed idiots enable plague. but i mean, EXACT same way. they're the god of the gaps as far as evil is concerned.
11:24 a111 Logged on 2018-10-13 00:10 asciilifeform: i dun grasp how 'dreamers' enable dhs etc
11:25 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: i was half-expecting you'd mention unvaccinated BingoBoingostani and their mumps. but this also worx, i suppose
11:25 mircea_popescu it seems, to some high analysis, that the workings of bacillum pestis works entirely independently of Joe Moron, who keeps "accidentally" falling into his own dung.
11:25 mircea_popescu nevertheless...
11:26 mircea_popescu the ~reason~ y pestis exists is the long line of joe moron, and his mulae & stramulae.
11:26 asciilifeform erry good plague has 'reservoirs' also, some species where it lives without killing host
11:27 mircea_popescu yes a bacillum is high tech arcana when compared to the mouthdribbler. nevertheless, the selector among high tech arcanna is precisely the bulk of undifferentiated biomass.
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11:27 mircea_popescu because in the end, to say "whichever pathogen best uses them wins" is to say exactly that.
11:28 mircea_popescu asciilifeform precisely what the pantsuit is : socialism reservoir.
11:28 * asciilifeform can picture.
11:28 mircea_popescu i would say that the best way to represent socialism, from early xtian communism to today's social media solipsism, is as a sort of meningitis.
11:28 mircea_popescu infection destroys higher cognitive function.
11:28 mircea_popescu except in plenty of bipedals -- nothing there to destroy.
11:28 asciilifeform was about to say
11:29 asciilifeform typical victim dun have so much to begin with
11:29 mircea_popescu and so -- the pantsuit of today the reservoir of today ; much like the mirvniki of 1800, the reservoir of 1800.
11:29 mircea_popescu which theoretical viewpoint suddenly makes nazi choices make sense : first, they took care of warsaw ghetto, the ~internal~ reservoir. once that was liquidated, moved on to the foreign reservoirs.
11:30 mircea_popescu ie, bombed london and killed as many caucasus "peasants" as could get hands on.
11:30 asciilifeform to make life even moar complicated, the infection, in some circumstances, is actually adaptive ( peasants living where agriculture barely worx at all, can only survive in 'mir' or similar formation , i suspect )
11:31 mircea_popescu yes, cognitive function has biological cost, so yes, decerebration adaptative.
11:31 mircea_popescu hence all the xanax.
11:31 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: when actually reading the german folx, noticed, they formulated exactly like this, it's no mystery.
11:31 mircea_popescu note that all peasants will ALWAYS live "where agriculture barely works at all"
11:31 mircea_popescu because this is specifically what "agriculture" ~MEANS~.
11:31 mircea_popescu "stupid cunts keep spawning and well... do what you can" "how about fix them ?" "uhhh...ooooga ?"
11:32 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: there's still a diff, in italy 3 harvests in year, but near moscow ~maybe~ 1
11:32 mircea_popescu and so in italy rome fulla idle morons in excess of 1mn, in moscow 50k.
11:32 asciilifeform ( and unlike in petri dish , the meatsacks ~don't~ automatically fill to capacity, barbarians, plagues, help'em to avoid )
11:32 mircea_popescu peasant will go past carry capacity of land, it's what peasant does. like saying "engine will drain gas tank"
11:33 asciilifeform he will unless somebody/something nails him
11:33 mircea_popescu right.
11:33 asciilifeform which , at least in past, reliably came
11:33 mircea_popescu hence all prayer in pantsuit church ever since forever "to peace".
11:33 mircea_popescu peasant isn't the misfortunate victim of his flaws and foibles. peasant is THE DEDICATION to the SPECIFICALLY ELECTED sins and maculae.
11:33 asciilifeform 'a furore normannorum libera nos, domine!'(tm)(r)
11:37 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: errybody 'elects maculae', it aint as if raider-cannibal is exempt somehow from thermodynamics, still gotta find somebody to eat.
11:38 asciilifeform and will similarly expand 'to capacity'
11:38 mircea_popescu yes. but raider cannibal is much better than christian farmer. bacause raider-cannibal doesn't either think he's doing the right thing nor believe it's impossible to do something else.
11:39 asciilifeform eh errybody thinks 'doing Right Thing'
11:39 mircea_popescu which is the weakness of the scheme, too -- raider leaks into "civilisation"
11:39 mircea_popescu asciilifeform i propose this is not so.
11:39 asciilifeform if there's some record that raiders 'were sad' about raiding, i do not know of it
11:39 asciilifeform afaik errybody saw their particular jumper setting as the One Troo way
11:40 mircea_popescu let's approach it from this filum : in those societies which are "uncivilised", which is to say not yet rotten, the discussion of superlative achievement, as the hero (always male, of course, but let's leave that aside) is a plenitude. he can shoot the bow if the bow is known AND ride if the horse is known AND sail or raft or canoe AND sing if they have music AND AND AND
11:41 mircea_popescu meanwhile aming the "civilised" shitheads, the equivalent, saint, is ~pious~. naught else.
11:41 mircea_popescu the raider's world is whole, and he fills it ; whereas the peon's world is sharded, and he picks the easiest shard to the spite of all others.
11:41 asciilifeform i propose that 'pious' is exactly http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-12#1861376 ...
11:41 a111 Logged on 2018-10-12 19:29 asciilifeform: in related zoological lulz, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B53JOuVU7_0 apparently happens
11:42 mircea_popescu something other than "we cut the worldcake into slices and picked the one easiest to lift" ?
11:42 mircea_popescu (wanking all the whilke about "how hard it is", of course, of course).
11:42 asciilifeform exactly that
11:42 mircea_popescu right.
11:42 asciilifeform 'watch me whip myself silly for the glory of god' etc
11:42 mircea_popescu so there's your difference : raider will be good at everything there is to be good at or die trying.
11:43 mircea_popescu peasant will come up with an excuse as to why his football team winning occasionally means he gets free beer and samba si.
11:43 asciilifeform at least mythological raider. real life raider only gotta be good at horse an' bow.
11:43 asciilifeform poetry optional.
11:43 mircea_popescu not so optional at all.
11:43 mircea_popescu samurai took it seriously. old middle earth tribe idem. it seems to me it was not optional then
11:44 mircea_popescu capitalist thought anachronism in context. "yes it'd have worked ; but it'd never have occured to them"
11:44 asciilifeform plenty of folx took it seriously, once yer in a platoon of folx ~equally adept at horse an' bow, then how to stand out.
11:44 mircea_popescu and the ~reason~ "never would have occured" is specifically that they were dedicated to NOT breaking the world snowglobe into shards.
11:44 asciilifeform can sing , write haikus, wai not.
11:44 mircea_popescu i propose the capitalist view is inadequate in context.
11:44 mircea_popescu they didn't do it for a good reason according to you. they did it for a good reason according to them.
11:45 asciilifeform noshit
11:45 mircea_popescu or what, you think my interest in poetry comes from how i can't get cunt because fetlife, it's so fulla mp ?
11:46 asciilifeform i dun dispute the model where folx with a working head, like thinking and playing with calligraphy brush an' rhyme, and where herbivority is not conducive to growing thinking head
11:46 mircea_popescu in truth, the more adept at "horse and bow" or w/e they get, the more keenly aware of subtle differences that create hierarchy. exactly reversed dunning-kruger, "to me all these cowboys seem superlatively competent at riding and lasso, but they -- they complexly disagree"
11:46 mircea_popescu just about the whole story, yeah.
11:47 asciilifeform imho entirely adequate model.
11:47 mircea_popescu but the difference between integrated world and disintegrated world is specifically important, because common view of "postmodernism" is "woe poor man, overwhelmed".
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11:48 mircea_popescu this is pious fraud. the pantsuit subhuman has been just as overwhelmed, and overwhelmed in the exact same ways expressed in the exact same terms since cato the elder.
11:48 BingoBoingo <Mocky> BingoBoingo, this is a short chick, btw, who walks around here alone on a daily basis, with a backpack for 6 years, never gets bothered << I suspect mircea_popescu's comment downthread explains it. A substantial set of the Latinos appear inclined to take anything that isn't bolted down, provided nothing bad happens to them from it.
11:48 asciilifeform dun forget the 'height of the towers' tho. pretty much all of the samurai poetry / arts / etc come from the period where jp had already been properly divvied up, and the swordsmen were living fast off guaranteed kokus of rice, rather than daily raid
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11:48 mircea_popescu asciilifeform this is not factual either. most of the great japanese poets died of the sword.
11:48 asciilifeform own sword lol
11:48 BingoBoingo Mocky: Congrats as well on finding help girl
11:49 mircea_popescu much like most european poets died of some plague.
11:49 mircea_popescu BingoBoingo quick on his feet ain't he.
11:49 mircea_popescu diana_coman is he the ultimate in suave p2p ? cuz i'm starting to suspect!
11:49 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: i've been on a yr+ jp kick, attempting to read some of that 1337 poetry in original..
11:50 asciilifeform so delved into subj a bit.
11:50 mircea_popescu makes so much difference whose sword ?
11:51 asciilifeform depends. it is interesting to consider that 'seppuku' didn't take off until actual conflict mostly flamed out
11:51 mircea_popescu meanwhile tb, the archetipal european poet characteristic, was despised among the raiding population as the degenerative disease of the bull penis suckers.
11:51 asciilifeform considering that tb didn't take off until euros packed themselves like spiders in a jar, in 'urban' hell..
11:52 asciilifeform was associated with rat life, the way walmart is today
11:52 asciilifeform so justly despised.
11:52 mircea_popescu well, cow, but yes.
11:52 BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: Mocky is indeed
11:53 asciilifeform so when 'poet' came to be seen, largely correctly, as yet another species of urban refuse, living on rubbish like new world raccoon, then yes despised, mega-surprise
11:55 asciilifeform imho 19th c 'tb poet' is ~exactly today's redditus.
11:56 mircea_popescu definitely.
11:56 mircea_popescu the overflow of unreadable crap "enlightment" has produced is carefully not mentioned by the pantsuit apologists.
11:57 mircea_popescu they tend to strictly stick to the names detectably opposed.
11:57 mircea_popescu kinda perverse, you know. sorta like a kakobrekla-run alt-trilema filled with effigy statues of the lordship.
11:57 asciilifeform the slow but effective garbage collector of time + expensive print, helps'em 'cheat', yes
11:58 mircea_popescu "our idiocy works as proven by all the works of those who hated us, which we claim for ourselves because hey, what's in a claim."
11:58 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: funnily enuff, kako was actually trying to bake one of these, and i was almost disappointed when it flamed out and left the current cinders, largely consisting of spamola and occasional prb 'news'
11:59 mircea_popescu the reflex is there though, and imo very edifying.
11:59 asciilifeform would be entertaining if erry world had a parallel shadow statue hell under it
11:59 asciilifeform but apparently no such luck
11:59 mircea_popescu ye, he's not stupid in a way different from stupid. the frog's legs don't jerk because something to do with this particular frog. and so on.
12:00 mircea_popescu but in truth, once "i suck, and THAT is why daddy doesn't like me" is blocked out, what's left besides "daddy likes me because i am exactly like him in all respects" ?
12:01 mircea_popescu "god created man in his image (and not vice-versa!!!!)" xtian creed. hence "peace". what could possibly be needed in the perfect world of the scummy repose, than... more of the same ?
12:01 asciilifeform herbivorous paradise, naturally, infinite grass an' 0 wolf
12:01 mircea_popescu mooo
12:02 mircea_popescu you know, it's funny btw, how "mmorpg" evolved. back around time of eternal september, computer in the house pretty much guaranteed head present. and so the games catered to this. hence h2.
12:02 asciilifeform wolf, of course, will grow, even on wolfless world. interestingly some time last decade somebody finally filmed deer eating bird's nest
12:02 asciilifeform the capacity -- is there.
12:02 mircea_popescu last september, computer ~= bong. guarantees nothing besides "lots of unearned income". as a result, wow is NOT similar to heroes 2
12:03 mircea_popescu in fact... it is precisely... infinite grass field, graze plox.
12:03 mircea_popescu asciilifeform will not grow in engineered world. hence the wow example.
12:03 asciilifeform even there, grows. hence the whines re 'griefers' , 'cheaters'
12:03 mircea_popescu no more.
12:03 mircea_popescu you're thinking a decade ago. they fixed this.
12:04 asciilifeform did they ? i admit, did not follow subj, soured on it thoroughly in early 00s
12:04 mircea_popescu there is literally nothing whatsoever to achieve and no means to achieve it left.
12:04 BingoBoingo <mircea_popescu> you're thinking a decade ago. they fixed this. << This. They have this "battle royal" thing now where everybody laffs over how they all die in vain
12:04 BingoBoingo "Fortnight" is what the kids call it
12:05 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: forestall the small wolf, be eaten by the great wolf...
12:05 mircea_popescu thing is utterly indistinguishable from typical usgistani office drone "job", of data entry. it is a wonder anyone "misses work" to "play wow". exactly like "breaking law, not ate mcdonalds, ate burger king". wut ?!
12:05 BingoBoingo Collects all the griefers and cheaters so the WoW incels can continue in piece
12:05 mircea_popescu asciilifeform but yes, evidently fenrir came for them.
12:06 asciilifeform fenrir comes for errything.
12:06 asciilifeform the old sages were onto this.
12:06 * asciilifeform brb,teatime
12:10 mircea_popescu diana_coman https://www.abuseipdb.com/check/173.198.225.102
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12:12 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-13#1861810 << there's a list of things to send. kids are made douchebag through the process of finding said list, noticing "it works!" and going from there.
12:12 a111 Logged on 2018-10-13 15:00 diana_coman: possibly, no idea really; but what, they just send random udp stuff on all ports?
12:13 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-13#1861827 << yup.
12:13 a111 Logged on 2018-10-13 15:10 asciilifeform: in the former case, it only needs to send 1 per second, to find a peer within 24 hours.
12:14 mircea_popescu which is why all the "oh noes advertise ip" bla bla machinery is always a sign of idiocy on the part of "designer". trbi needs "ip backflow" like i need power rangers in my living room.
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12:18 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-13#1861830 << no, it's not. l'hospital and whatnot.
12:18 a111 Logged on 2018-10-13 15:13 asciilifeform: the ~86k packets is a worst-case avg, obviously, per 'birthday theorem' it will succeed almost certainly sooner
12:25 mircea_popescu the probability to observe less than one event in a 85899 assay set is what, 18% or so.
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12:33 mircea_popescu um... i mean... P(x) is 0.0012 for λ = 1/85899 and x = 1.
12:33 mircea_popescu one of these days ima have to learn math.
12:44 diana_coman http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-13#1861962 -> right
12:44 a111 Logged on 2018-10-13 16:10 mircea_popescu: diana_coman https://www.abuseipdb.com/check/173.198.225.102
12:49 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-13#1861967 << tbf, taking a net to the # of nodes where blind shooting is reasonably fast peer finder, takes a '1st stage rocket' of some form
12:49 a111 Logged on 2018-10-13 16:14 mircea_popescu: which is why all the "oh noes advertise ip" bla bla machinery is always a sign of idiocy on the part of "designer". trbi needs "ip backflow" like i need power rangers in my living room.
12:50 asciilifeform plus there's the fact that nearly all konsoomer boxes (i.e. potential bots) are behind nat.
12:50 asciilifeform this is 1 of the reasons why the 'gold medal' for crapware folx today is usually to infect the nat boxen themselves.
12:50 BingoBoingo A special news story for alf on Police shootin Coons https://www.bnd.com/news/local/article219855365.html#wgt=qntra
12:50 asciilifeform then you get an 'adult' ipv4 to do as you please.
12:51 BingoBoingo "Police say they have shot and killed six raccoons since Sept. 1 in Belleville"
12:51 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: in ru there's a massive hunt going somewhere, they were dumb enuff to buy 1500 beasts from usa in '50s and spread in forest 'for fur industry'
12:51 asciilifeform and nao infested cities
12:51 BingoBoingo lol
12:52 BingoBoingo They bought, or is that cover story for rare goal scored by CIA?
12:52 asciilifeform bought, at some cost, at one time i saw the period docs
12:52 asciilifeform not cheap, to ship 1500 megarats
12:52 asciilifeform ( consider, somebody had to catch'em, alive... )
12:55 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-13#1861970 << exact fig remains to be calculated, but orig point was that ipv4 is a small enuff 'room' that one can 'shout' in it and be heard.
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12:55 a111 Logged on 2018-10-13 16:25 mircea_popescu: the probability to observe less than one event in a 85899 assay set is what, 18% or so.
12:56 asciilifeform ( at least by those with ears )
12:57 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: also complicating the maffs is that the 'time req'd to be head' depends not only on particular node's 'shout', but those of ~others~
12:58 asciilifeform so i suspect the actual # of packets ( and time ) req'd , goes down ~geometrically~ with the # of working noades
12:59 * asciilifeform idly wonders what % of current net traffic actually consists of this brekekekekexkoaxkoax
13:06 asciilifeform other interesting bit is that brute-force 'udp on random ports' worx great for http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-09#1723494 pill against nat
13:06 a111 Logged on 2017-10-09 16:24 asciilifeform: ( observe that for hole punching, the 'server' does not need to be a heavy duty box that sits as 'star topology apex', but can be any of one or more boxes among the nodes themselves , at a particular time, with external ip. )
13:07 mircea_popescu asciilifeform in the sense that conn works either way, yes.
13:07 asciilifeform when you send a udp packet, it opens 'ephemeral' path through nat, that for a spell can hear a 'reply' ( which on may nat's, does not actually have to come from the same ip you transmitted to )
13:07 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: correct, it worx for a spell ( how long, depends on the particular shitrouter )
13:07 mircea_popescu i'm not saying the mechanism's dysfunctional ; i just said your specific statement of probabilities was wrong
13:08 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: i noted as much ( re 'birthday' ), but did not bother to calculate the actual , aha
13:08 mircea_popescu but yes it's trivial to do the maff to show that cost of acquisition vs timevalue of connection comes out green
13:08 asciilifeform ~iff~ yer net is big enuff.
13:08 mircea_popescu if what you're doing is worht doing net can't be small enough etc.
13:08 mircea_popescu new sociological measure.
13:08 asciilifeform if all you got is 2 boxes randomly firing udp, they can sit for years and not meet
13:09 asciilifeform all this means is that you gotta do the initial infect , via whatever way, to get coupla 10k nodes.
13:10 asciilifeform at that point, your hydra has enuff heads that it aint beheadable.
13:10 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-13#1861989 << which precisely puts the gavinism of ipv6 in its proper context. "oh noes, think of those poor africans! how their exclusion would make republic work!!!"
13:10 a111 Logged on 2018-10-13 16:55 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-13#1861970 << exact fig remains to be calculated, but orig point was that ipv4 is a small enuff 'room' that one can 'shout' in it and be heard.
13:11 mircea_popescu http://trilema.com/2014/in-which-you-become-grain/ exactly.
13:11 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: i see ipv6 as , at least in part, a deliberate scheme to make p2p ~impossible.
13:11 mircea_popescu exactly same thing as gavin "need more blocks" or buffett "taxes too low" etc.
13:12 asciilifeform it's exactly this. 'hmm how do we nail warez. iknow, they'll never meet in the vastness of outer 6byte space'
13:12 asciilifeform 'force'em into star topology'
13:13 asciilifeform the funny bit is that even if errybody turned on ipv6, the result would simply be 9000x moar brekekekex. cuz it'll still work.
13:13 mircea_popescu the discussion of http://trilema.com/2017/fake-news-are-just-one-tail-of-the-failed-female-state/ dovetails here neatly : the ~illusion~ of "vastness" and http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-13#1861905 is deliberately constructed, specifically for the purpose.
13:13 a111 Logged on 2018-10-13 15:47 mircea_popescu: but the difference between integrated world and disintegrated world is specifically important, because common view of "postmodernism" is "woe poor man, overwhelmed".
13:13 mircea_popescu every mother ever told the independent-minded child precisely this, also.
13:13 mircea_popescu which is why and wherefore "female state".
13:14 asciilifeform 'I’ve been patient, I’ve been gracious / And this mountain is covered with wolves / Hear them howling, my hungry children / Maybe you should stay and have another drink and think about me and you.'(tm)
13:14 mircea_popescu right ?
13:15 asciilifeform how else.
13:18 asciilifeform ties in nicely with http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-13#1861840 thrd, also. inca needs mass of 'african children' to be 'neutron absorber', anyffing, anyffing to keep the functional folx from meeting up.
13:18 a111 Logged on 2018-10-13 15:27 mircea_popescu: yes a bacillum is high tech arcana when compared to the mouthdribbler. nevertheless, the selector among high tech arcanna is precisely the bulk of undifferentiated biomass.
13:19 mircea_popescu aha.
13:19 asciilifeform whole point of, e.g., prb.
13:20 asciilifeform and hence asciilifeform's interest in re mapping out the net and seeing how much living tissue, where.
13:21 mircea_popescu meanwhile on the fuck-them-with-their-own-overton-window front, my latest contribution on fetlife : http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/qyG9q/?raw=true
13:21 mircea_popescu as slavegirl observes, "im sure the entirety of fetlife is offended!"
13:21 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: it is pretty plain that the 'oh noez, you spammed me! i'ma write lengthy whine' chixx didn't grow up in '90s
13:22 asciilifeform older folx laugh off spam silently
13:22 asciilifeform ( and adjust filter )
13:22 mircea_popescu but the points stand : equalitarianism and relativism ARE self-defeating ; there's nothing substantial to distinguish any fetish from any other fetish, and "niggers are people too" or "i am woman hear me roar" just as fetish and identically as fetish to furries or trannies.
13:23 asciilifeform what boggles my mind is that they dun see the plain fact that if yer response to 'oh noez, spam' is to sit down and write missive, you're ddosable with 1 finger
13:23 mircea_popescu moreover, the "difference between law and fetish is that law -- universal" immediately breaks down when i don't subscribe. and i can't be excluded, either, because that's the fucking value the whole thing's supposed to be predicated on.
13:23 mircea_popescu asciilifeform whats the spam discussion about ?
13:24 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: the aggrieved chix, whose spew mircea_popescu posted on several occasions
13:24 mircea_popescu anyway, "inclusive female objectivism" entirely contradiction in terms.
13:24 asciilifeform 'you asked me to serve, who are you to ask this' etc
13:24 BingoBoingo <asciilifeform> what boggles my mind is that they dun see the plain fact that if yer response to 'oh noez, spam' is to sit down and write missive, you're ddosable with 1 finger << Pretty good measure of social placement. Do you need to filter all comers, or can you reply to spam without surrendering all the time.
13:24 mircea_popescu he has a point there.
13:24 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: i gotta wonder, do they answer erry nigerian 419 also ?
13:25 mircea_popescu asciilifeform it's hard out there for a fat would-be whore that gets one message a year.
13:25 asciilifeform so -- chased away small wolf, invited fenrir ?
13:25 asciilifeform i can see it.
13:26 asciilifeform life is easy for dodo bird. until not
13:26 mircea_popescu fwiw i simply discard lots and lots and lots of "705babygirl 23F sub 1m What?" ; they come in at the rate of a few / minute, and who the fuck cares anyway. "think of it as an intelligence test -- that you failed", right.
13:26 mircea_popescu i suppose people'd fall over if they discovered i own the most messaged-to acct on fetlife.
13:26 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: sounds , to my untrained eye at least, like spam from the site itself
13:26 asciilifeform iirc they all have a perlistic 'gurl generator' going 24/7
13:26 mircea_popescu asciilifeform they're scatterback from my own bots.
13:27 asciilifeform aa
13:27 mircea_popescu see, i pump out k's/day, i get back about 60-70% or so (imagine that!) the 90% of which directly to bin.
13:27 mircea_popescu but read the paste, would you, it's actually interesting for once.
13:27 * asciilifeform reads..
13:28 * mircea_popescu is too lazy to make trilema article out of it, but imo some valid points of policy in there.
13:28 asciilifeform * billymg (~billymg@161.0.121.194) has joined #trilema << oh hey welcome to rk, billymg
13:28 asciilifeform quick learner, he is
13:29 BingoBoingo How is rockchip life treating you billymg?
13:29 billymg feels good :D
13:30 billymg next step will be getting mp-wp setup so i can have a proper www
13:30 mircea_popescu ever pressed anything before ?
13:31 billymg i tried pressing trb on a gcc >5 gentoo box and iirc that went fine but make failed
13:31 billymg logs seemed to indicate that trb on gcc > 5 simply won't work
13:31 mircea_popescu so keep notes, and then there's your first article for free -- "how i pressed mp-wp to give self proper www".
13:31 asciilifeform billymg: gcc >=5 is broken, this is clearly spelled out in the l0gz
13:31 * billymg understands
13:32 billymg it was my first gentoo build, so i went "easy mode"
13:32 billymg will need to rebuild again on that box using http://www.loper-os.org/?p=2295
13:32 asciilifeform billymg: you may want to try trinque's beta cuntoo, on local box, it ships with godly gcc.
13:33 billymg asciilifeform: would love to try that out
13:33 asciilifeform billymg: http://trinque.org/2018/07/06/cuntoo-bootstrapper-preview/
13:34 asciilifeform billymg: diana_coman is the current bleeding edge pilot user, she may be able to answer specific q's re practicals
13:34 billymg mircea_popescu: that's the plan, hoping to publish a few "guide" posts
13:34 asciilifeform neato
13:34 * asciilifeform loox forward to reading
13:35 billymg i must say it feels nice waking up and having meaningful work to do
13:35 mircea_popescu ikr ?
13:35 mircea_popescu sometimes i wake up and there's like... cool shit made! seemingly overnight!
13:36 asciilifeform billymg: pretty much errybody here is at the stage where '1e6 hours worth of meaningful work, but only so many in life' -- but i gotta say i prefer this 'problem' to the alternative
13:38 trinque btw my work for the day shall be getting phf's vtools into the cuntoo build, after which first cut should be done.
13:39 asciilifeform trinque: this will rock. and incidentally i'ma be baking that sunlight lappy next wk, and intend to set it up as a cuntoo box with whatever bleeding edge you come out with
13:39 mircea_popescu nice!
13:39 trinque can't wait to see a post on that either
13:40 asciilifeform ( my old workhorse x60 is not a cuntoo, it is in fact my original deloused-gentoo platform on which i derived the poetteringism-exclusion, gcc<5, etc flags and related items )
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13:40 asciilifeform the current rk gentoo is based on it
13:40 trinque btw no insult meant to esthlos; we'll get an ebuild in there for his vtron as well, but he lacks a differ, and thus it's not a full v
13:41 mircea_popescu meanwhile in materia obscura, permit me to befoul the logs with idiocy.
13:41 mircea_popescu "We sat on chairs in the sun, and after we had been silent a long while, she began to do what women will never cease doing, so wise men say, as long as men say they love them, to define what the love of a man meant to a woman, and to explain the love of a man. She said that that man was wise who had said that love was like religion, and must be done well or not at all, but that she had never yet found in any man sincere love
13:41 mircea_popescu and delicacy, for there was always something coarse, some little note which jarred, some movement of the mind and body maladroit, in a man who is shown a woman's love. "When men love and are not loved," she said, "often they kept their grace and pride, and women are proud to be loved by such men--even faithfully for more than ten years; but when men are loved and are confident, then they seem to lose delicacy, to think that l
13:41 mircea_popescu ove breaks down all barriers between man and woman; that love is a vase of iron, unbreakable, and not, as it is, a vase of the most delicate and brittle pottery, to be broken to pieces by the least touch of a careless hand. They seem to think that the state of love stands at the end of a great striving; they do not realise that it is only the beginning, and that the striving must never cease, for without striving there is no
13:41 mircea_popescu love, but only content. But they do not see that; they insist on spoiling love, breaking the vase with stupid, unconscious hands; and when it breaks they are surprised, and they say that love is a fickle thing and will stand no tests, and that women are the very devil. Always they spoil love; it comes and finds them helpless, puzzling whether to clothe themselves entirely in reserve or whether to be entirely naked in brutalit
13:41 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: meanwhile i read the paste, it's exactly the 'peasants' thread encapsulated.
13:41 mircea_popescu y; and generally they compromise, and, physically and mentally, walk about in their shirts."
13:41 mircea_popescu asciilifeform ikr!
13:42 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: reads like 'ohnoez, donkey ate the carrot, how will he walk nao' lament
13:42 mircea_popescu anyway, author of above vomit is NOT anglo, but ~armenian~. in his own words, "while for an Armenian, who soon realises that his nationality is considered as something of a _faux pas_, there are none of these things, and he is entirely lost in the wilderness, for there is no solid background to his existence in another's country; and, as the days lengthen out and he grows tired of walking in the Green Park, he comes to wonder
13:42 mircea_popescu why his fathers ever left Hayastan; for it seems to me much better to be a murdered prince in Hayastan than a living vagabond in London."
13:42 mircea_popescu so -- orc, century ago. still same idiocy.
13:43 mircea_popescu asciilifeform point being, the female perspective is somehow dominant in western discourse notwithstanding it is deeply irrelevant.
13:43 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: hey there's a reason wai the armenians ate as much lead as they did
13:43 mircea_popescu who THE FUCK cares what the slavegirl thinks about the hand holding the whip ?!
13:43 trinque "conquered cultures long to eat the bunghole, noose at 11"
13:44 mircea_popescu "oh herp derp brutality". woman, it's life. everything else is piss
13:44 mircea_popescu what fucking "delicate vase".
13:44 mircea_popescu delicate wankery.
13:45 asciilifeform all wankery similarly 'delicate', hates reality as balloon hates pin
13:46 mircea_popescu teh delicacy of queef bubbles.
13:49 mircea_popescu (michael arlen, btw, to also provide in passing the answer to http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-11#1860585 : "Dikran Kouyoumdjian")
13:49 a111 Logged on 2018-10-11 01:49 mircea_popescu: the punch line, being, i suppose -- guess the fellow's name.
13:57 * Mocky is in no danger of being suave
13:58 mircea_popescu Mocky how's suave go ?
13:58 BingoBoingo Mocky: Suave is geographically and culturally relative
13:58 mircea_popescu rrrrrriccco suaveee!
13:58 deedbot http://qntra.net/2018/10/brits-ban-tv-ad-for-showing-healthy-human-shaped-female-model/ << Qntra - Brits Ban TV Ad For Showing Healthy, Human Shaped, Female Model
13:59 mircea_popescu i can see why they'd have to.
13:59 BingoBoingo Can't condition Rotterdam to not want Theresa May
14:00 mircea_popescu " after the watchdog received 22 complaints over her super slim appearance." << can you belive how few people still follow the "united kingdom" youtube account ?
14:01 mircea_popescu i mean, as in the celebrated case of that caleb fucktard of http://trilema.com/2016/and-they-wont-fucking-yield/#selection-127.158-135.403 fame -- i guarantee you the 22 complaints are 90%+ of the femwatchers, which are 90%+ of the total watchers.
14:01 mircea_popescu thereby uk still has ~30 followers tops.
14:03 * BingoBoingo still remembers the Irish/British/US college aged english teacher invasion of the hostel for a visa run
14:03 mircea_popescu 5k lbs for a dozenish people ?
14:04 BingoBoingo The chubbsters were SO BITTER they weren't getting attention from anyone but their hostage boys
14:04 * mircea_popescu remembers the days he could eye-weight a herd of fillies for loading in cattle trucks ; he could get within 1% of true weight just by watching them stand ; at the time a 7 ton truck took ten to eleven dozen young whores.
14:04 BingoBoingo And the hostage boys were so browbeaten they couldn't consider the local girls lest they become rapists
14:05 BingoBoingo Prolly only 3500-4500 ish for a dozen ish girls, only one clearly at 300 lbs.
14:07 BingoBoingo They'd get blackout drunk, shit the bed, and generally horrify the latinos unaccustomed to Madonna culture
14:07 BingoBoingo Meanwhile they boys were just... broken
14:09 BingoBoingo I mean they went to the mall with the pasty moo cows and came back with the same moo cows and not a single one of the fine specimens fo feminimity that populates the mall
14:13 * BingoBoingo wonders what would have happened if the same visa run occurred during January bikini season
14:20 Mocky probably same outcome BingoBoingo
14:23 BingoBoingo Maybe? I could imagine one of the maygendered stabbing on of the boys for looking at the plentiful fields of ass.
14:30 Mocky stabbing not needed if boy can be cowwed. what, mayogendered gonna start taking the more strenuous route now?
14:31 BingoBoingo When they get black out drunk in the way basic anglophone bitches get, yes
14:31 BingoBoingo There's a whole epidemic of this in England, fat pasty cows breaking drinkwear and maiming men interested in human shaped women
14:36 mircea_popescu in other words, jesus god this is lovely -- whenever the girls meet the house's suddenly fulla giggles an' laughter.
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14:38 BingoBoingo Well, more shock and awe about the bedshitting
14:38 diana_coman BingoBoingo, there are no men to start with, in the situation you describe
14:38 BingoBoingo diana_coman: Right, there's a small herd of boys
14:39 mircea_popescu worlds*
14:41 diana_coman kind of doubt even that; cows on one side really makes for oxes or at most calves on the other, nothing more
14:42 mircea_popescu diana_coman you know, unmolested calves grow into bulls ; ox is product of human industry.
14:43 mircea_popescu in the immortal words of FU (felix unger), "you have to MAKE gravy, it doesn't just come!"
14:44 diana_coman mircea_popescu, I know, hence ox; ("at most calves" if BingoBoingo considers that they really are just boys)
14:44 trinque http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-09#1859809 << reviewed the db, 15 keys double-regged, of which 5 have been rated only on one nick, and 4 on both (adamgibbins / whoop, MTW / rainrawr, sina / herbijudlestoids, diana_away / Mocky), rest of the keys have no ratings.
14:44 a111 Logged on 2018-10-09 16:46 mircea_popescu: trinque she has a point, that table needs a unique on the fp column. deedbot can't accept registeration of keys it's already seen.
14:45 trinque I figure now's a good time to purge the unrated. for the few with ratings on both, I can merge to the nick with earliest rating, or drop.
14:46 diana_coman trinque, please drop the diana_away
14:46 trinque probably the diana_coman / Mocky case indicates drop
14:46 trinque diana_coman: indeed, will do
14:47 diana_coman http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-13#1862137 -> this triggered image of labyrinth, lol; "that's just what the Minotaur said - when sated"
14:47 a111 Logged on 2018-10-13 18:36 mircea_popescu: in other words, jesus god this is lovely -- whenever the girls meet the house's suddenly fulla giggles an' laughter.
14:51 mircea_popescu trinque honestly merging can't possibly work
14:51 mircea_popescu diana_coman ahahaha could be, could be, possibly, possibly...
14:51 trinque yep, I don't think so either. rater won't know where his rating went
14:51 mircea_popescu me shall nao off to walk. todledoo!
14:52 trinque I'll make an archive of current state before blowtorching unrated and latter-of-doublerated
14:52 trinque cya!
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15:34 trinque http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-09#1859809 << and done, unique set on fp col.
15:34 a111 Logged on 2018-10-09 16:46 mircea_popescu: trinque she has a point, that table needs a unique on the fp column. deedbot can't accept registeration of keys it's already seen.
15:34 * trinque bbl
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16:32 deedbot http://ossasepia.com/2018/10/13/results-of-testing-udp-take-2/ << Ossasepia - Results of Testing UDP - Take 2
16:45 asciilifeform diana_coman, mircea_popescu : didja ever say wai not made'em all 1472 ?
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16:46 asciilifeform cuz if it's simply to distinguish the rsa from the symmetricolade without wasting a bit in the payload, could simply listen on 2 ports...
16:48 asciilifeform would get much simpler coad (i.e. my orig. fixed frame) vs the extended one with moar moving parts.
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16:48 diana_coman asciilifeform, hmm, there is certainly a case for same size precisely because way simpler code
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16:48 asciilifeform plus would let you put the new acct thing, potentially, on separate box, in fyootoor
16:48 asciilifeform just by rerouting
16:50 diana_coman this was the orig discussion re sizes: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-02#1857354
16:50 a111 Logged on 2018-10-02 16:25 mircea_popescu: ok, so this back of a digital envelope seems to suggest we want : 1. fixed size 1470 byte rsa packets, made to work with 3920-bit rsa (of which i presume the useful message size to be 1872 bit, diana_coman plox to confirm maffs ?). such a packet has then 1696 bits spare for e and bullshit.
16:50 asciilifeform rright, i did read mircea_popescu's spec
16:51 asciilifeform you wouldn't have to change anyffing else in about it, can pad the unused 2 bytes with rng.
16:52 asciilifeform all udp packet carry port, it's settable to whatever you want just like the rest of the packet.
16:53 asciilifeform simply a 16bit field.
16:54 asciilifeform ( to nitpick painfully -- ~frags~ dun carry port; but you ain't fragging no moar, so this is not an issue )
16:55 diana_coman the port/separate is not an issue at all; at any rate rsa will be processed separately by design (and with lower priority) - but all this part is of no direct concern here
16:55 asciilifeform having 2 processes (and if desired later, 2 boxes) to process the 2 types, will make priority queue simpler also.
16:56 asciilifeform i.e. simply run the acct one with 'nice 19 ...'
16:56 diana_coman strictly from an implementation perspective I'd certainly prefer to have only ONE size of message to deal with - even if it means potentially that one has to check wtf it is; still, I'll wait for mircea_popescu to weigh in on this
16:57 asciilifeform if you distinguish by port, the os will throw them into the correct process 'for phree'. but sure
16:58 asciilifeform ( i.e. you dun have to 'check what it is' on top of existing logic, e.g. if port 9000 it goes to serpent, if 9001 -- to rsa , and each respective process validates per the existing rulez )
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19:31 asciilifeform !Q later tell phf wouldja happen to have a frozen nonretarded version of bordeaux-threads somewhere ? the one i have, is utterly sad, squats nickname 'bt' which prevents binary-types from working...
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19:31 asciilifeform grr for fuck's sake what use is a bot that dun go half the time
19:31 asciilifeform it's like two-legged stool.
19:33 * asciilifeform thought, naively, 'binary-types itself is ~1k loc, why don't i fix ~that~... 6 hrs later...'
19:42 asciilifeform hilariously, bug (if can call it that) reported as early as 2008, and... 0 published fix to either lib
19:43 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2015-12-24#1352121 << related.
19:43 a111 Logged on 2015-12-24 18:35 asciilifeform: 'if two trains meet one another on a track, neither shall move until the other has passed.' (supposedly from a 1880s american state law)
19:49 trinque asciilifeform: it's !Qlater
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19:49 asciilifeform hmm
19:49 asciilifeform !Qlater tell phf wouldja happen to have a frozen nonretarded version of bordeaux-threads somewhere ? the one i have, is utterly sad, squats nickname 'bt' which prevents binary-types from working...
19:49 asciilifeform nope.
19:49 trinque lol well lobbes I tried :p
19:50 asciilifeform lol
19:51 asciilifeform trinque: i dun suppose you have a cured binary-types ? ( cured, but presently fails to run when i strip away the asdfism so i can work it into my tree bodily )
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19:51 asciilifeform http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/RcyND/?raw=true << oblig barfola
19:55 asciilifeform it's come to where i can't look at heathen coad for an hour without turning up an intractable barfology.
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20:45 mod6 Hi there, just catching up on the l0gz
20:48 mod6 http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-13#1861765 << Ok hanbot, this sounds great!
20:48 a111 Logged on 2018-10-13 07:14 hanbot: anyway the idea is to have an exhaustive list of news outlets with their contact email made, after which i'll have her mail that blurb; i expect something like a week's turnaround, and will report when it's done.
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21:08 mircea_popescu trinque nice!
21:09 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-13#1862164 << yes ; cuz all 1470s go to one process and all 1472s go to a different one. eventually as a scalability thing could even go to diff box altogether. there's not so muchrelation between the two types.
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21:09 a111 Logged on 2018-10-13 20:45 asciilifeform: diana_coman, mircea_popescu : didja ever say wai not made'em all 1472 ?
21:10 mircea_popescu diana_coman 14721 or 14702 BITS long, not octets yes ?
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21:29 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-13#1862167 << nah, they're different divisors.
21:29 a111 Logged on 2018-10-13 20:48 diana_coman: asciilifeform, hmm, there is certainly a case for same size precisely because way simpler code
21:30 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-13#1862190 << i lolled.
21:30 a111 Logged on 2018-10-13 23:49 trinque: asciilifeform: it's !Qlater
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