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00:07 ben_vulpes oh neato, /me looks forward to reading
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04:57 deedbot http://danielpbarron.com/2018/do-you-know-who-i-am-now/ << Daniel P. Barron - Do you know who I am now?
05:02 ben_vulpes i'd dearly like to hear what arguments were so compelling as to turn you from the path of wifebeating, danielpbarron
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05:05 ben_vulpes whttp://trilema.com/2018/in-which-a-bizarre-character-wanks-it/#selection-537.0-553.158 also
05:12 danielpbarron yeah i'm not a huge fan of the deleting part, but it was a point of contention among the fellowship
05:13 ben_vulpes "i was wrong, and the new piece lives at XXX" didn't pass muster or what
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05:13 danielpbarron i'll have to write up the arguments made re: wife beating
05:17 danielpbarron i have the article marked private, maybe when i have a new one to link i'll ask about doing that. but i think their point was if you don't believe it anymore why even have it there?
05:18 ben_vulpes to point at your evolution as a human being over time, for one
05:18 ben_vulpes then, sucked. now, suck less.
05:19 ben_vulpes otherwise one implies timeless energy-dragon crystalline perfection of self, which is a falsehood.
05:20 danielpbarron i agree
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08:52 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2018-07-24#1837476 << more generally, actually : that you're so fucking private about what's doubtless a public point of concern, namely the strange case of the conversion of a member of the republic's lordship smells to me of a colossal wasted opportunity.
08:52 a111 Logged on 2018-07-24 09:02 ben_vulpes: i'd dearly like to hear what arguments were so compelling as to turn you from the path of wifebeating, danielpbarron
08:53 mircea_popescu "i am the guy who was going to go to the republica oriental but then went to rural oklahoma instead and 2018 is the year i explained nothing about this on my blog".
08:53 mircea_popescu the puritan low-volume-comms thing is generally a losing strategy, both socially and personally, but ESPECIALLY so here.
09:03 mircea_popescu user_ dude stop fucking around with that connection
09:03 mircea_popescu !!up user_
09:03 deedbot user_ voiced for 30 minutes.
09:03 mircea_popescu who the fuck are you anyway ?
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09:33 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2018-07-24#1837472 << fwiw d00d updated his article; tho i admit i'm still puzzled
09:33 a111 Logged on 2018-07-24 01:56 mod6: <+asciilifeform> in other lulz, http://btcinfo.sdf.org/blog/bitcoin-knots-restored-as-the-default-upstream-ebuild.html << shinohai endorses prb... << yeah, wtf is this all about. srsly now.
09:39 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2018-07-24#1837479 << fwiw i've never deleted on my www ( tho i do have several articles marked 'this is obsolete, see $neweritem' )
09:39 a111 Logged on 2018-07-24 09:13 ben_vulpes: "i was wrong, and the new piece lives at XXX" didn't pass muster or what
09:48 mod6 asciilifeform: ah
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10:10 mircea_popescu me either.
10:10 mircea_popescu why the fuck would i. strikes me a lot like "breaking up". who the fuck does that, what, i'm monogamous now ?!
10:11 asciilifeform 'the moving finger writes, and having writ...' or how did it go.
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11:03 mod6 asciilifeform: mats is a pizarro customer, he has paid through july. however, we need to consider letting him stay a customer since:
11:04 mod6 !!reputation mats
11:04 deedbot http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/JuTUX/?raw=true
11:04 mircea_popescu fuck me, i'm ruining your shit aren't i.
11:05 * mircea_popescu will unrate, i suspect the point is made and i really don't give that much of a shit.
11:05 mircea_popescu !!unrate mats
11:05 deedbot Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/32cp5/?raw=true
11:05 asciilifeform mats is not only pizarro customer , but also collecting phuctor fodder ( btw mats , lemme know when ready , it can go in same day )
11:06 mircea_popescu you talked me out of it.
11:07 mod6 np mircea_popescu, just trying to make sure we're keeping pizarro's house clean. cheers
11:08 asciilifeform mod6: relatedly , douchebag's subscription ( purchased by mircea_popescu ) also expires end of month iirc
11:09 mircea_popescu im not renewing.
11:09 asciilifeform aite
11:09 mod6 ok thanks, mircea_popescu. noted.
11:09 mircea_popescu i might get this inept slut a blog though... what'd pizarro think about giving my stupid whores slots on the mp-wp megaserver ?
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11:09 asciilifeform then , BingoBoingo : plox to power down rk 'A' and insert its stick into dulap , for reimaging, when subscr expires
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11:10 asciilifeform this box will become arm64 cuntoo pilot.
11:11 mircea_popescu i mean, "my computer was updating" level of windowsity, 0 expectation of any kind of clean process.
11:11 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: if your pet can operate a mp-wp, can use, why not
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11:12 mod6 mircea_popescu: I don't see any problem with it as long as it's all paid up and we can you or them directly for it.
11:12 mircea_popescu cuz i thought the idea was that there's some security concerns.
11:12 mod6 Your pets, your mess :]
11:12 mircea_popescu i don't suspect she'd be in the slightest malicious ; but i also don't expect she ever controlled a box. for all i know it's an open relay.
11:13 asciilifeform very limited damage can be done by sheer ineptitude from a mp-wp , afaik .
11:13 mircea_popescu well... afaik also. but it's your box, so it's your call. shall we find out ?
11:13 deedbot http://trilema.com/2018/how-things-have-changed/ << Trilema - How things have changed!
11:13 mircea_popescu ^ big deal, btw.
11:14 asciilifeform 'Okay, thanks for your honesty U+1F602' << lol!!
11:15 asciilifeform 'Unicode Character 'FACE WITH TEARS OF JOY' (U+1F602)' ftr.
11:15 mircea_popescu motherfuckers managed to "make the LOL" have tears in eyes.
11:15 asciilifeform nuts.
11:15 mod6 sad
11:15 mircea_popescu because it's totally lwtime.
11:16 mircea_popescu "oh but mp, accurate glyph for lol would have to include sound" "so ?" "so we can't do that" "you can't do any of the other shits you're doing either..." "but a limit must be drawn!" "no, motherfucker. a limit must be drawn alphabet existed already. you're the no limits may be drawn crowd. fucking hang by your own petard, lol is a face emitting sound as glyph!"
11:19 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: controlled techno-regress (e.g. in this case, from alphabets to hieroglyphs) is a perennial obsession among the jwz folx , the same people want to mandate earth latrines instead of watercloset, BingoBoingo's butane cycle fridge , etc. notion being, i suspect, 'wind back the clock to when we mattered'
11:19 mircea_popescu or go back up their stupid mother's cunts, why not.
11:21 asciilifeform that's pretty much it.
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11:45 asciilifeform meanwhile in vintage flondors, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zs0jXa9u-a0
11:47 asciilifeform ^ 1st time i've seen historic firing squad clip ~with scrolling credits~
11:52 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: i read the 'how things have changed' piece and from the opening 'Six years ago that was even correct ; but meanwhile consider' expected a 'seawater uranium mining nao +ev' but turns out nope ; moar hieroglyphic sluts ? or what am i missing
11:55 BingoBoingo http://btcbase.org/log/2018-07-24#1837517 << ack
11:55 a111 Logged on 2018-07-24 15:09 asciilifeform: then , BingoBoingo : plox to power down rk 'A' and insert its stick into dulap , for reimaging, when subscr expires
11:56 asciilifeform ty BingoBoingo . mod6 plox to confirm exact time.
11:59 mircea_popescu asciilifeform consider eg that pizarro doesn't need to undertake the (significant, and unbounded) cost of writing "code of conduct" or "terms of service" or any of the other nonsense. things have changed. nude bitcoin is dangerous in the sense discussed in 2012, but bitcoin-as-currency-of-the-republic eminently usable today.
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12:00 asciilifeform aa this yes
12:00 mircea_popescu moreover, these are different items. the chick with the emoji and http://btcbase.org/log/2018-07-24#1837516 are not the same. i don't expect you to care about the difference, but i do. to me it's meaningful, and in the end that's all it takes, yes ? exactly mirror case of the mats discussion above.
12:00 a111 Logged on 2018-07-24 15:09 mircea_popescu: i might get this inept slut a blog though... what'd pizarro think about giving my stupid whores slots on the mp-wp megaserver ?
12:00 asciilifeform i was speaking of the 'the offensively stupid poor. The costs of the strategic mistake of dealing with them' item
12:00 asciilifeform aa
12:01 mircea_popescu if i can select one usable nude floorwasher in 250k imperial "accounts", then probably so could you* (*conceivably, you don't want nude floorwashers, but ~necessarily~ it doesn't matter what you want, the foregoing applies)
12:01 mircea_popescu but whether you can or you can't, you don'tr know until you try.
12:02 asciilifeform theoretically yes. and hey, the nigerians took it to a high art in the '90s.
12:02 mircea_popescu as the cattle goes browsing on the pasture, so does the white butterfly go looking for cabages.
12:02 mircea_popescu less than 1% of 1% of the material of interest to the ox is of interest to pieris rapae ; but the field provides for all.
12:03 asciilifeform elementarily , the critters for whom the field does not today provide , are nowhere to be seen.
12:03 mircea_popescu asciilifeform the nigerians were looking for a stupid. there's a fundamental difference between self-limiting and self-expanding things ; and i propose the nigerians aren't a relevant model at all.
12:03 mircea_popescu asciilifeform but not for lack of trying!
12:04 mircea_popescu if i take http://trilema.com/2018/it-came-out/ cutie for a sea trip and it has the misfortune of coming to life 500 miles out, it'll still fly over the ocean looking. and so must you, because until you're dead you don't know you're dying.
12:05 asciilifeform right
12:05 asciilifeform i'ma have to take mircea_popescu's word for it re the diff b/w the 2 chix
12:05 asciilifeform ( to asciilifeform it is opaque )
12:07 asciilifeform ( and iirc we already have a thread in the l0gz where mircea_popescu 'they could! be trained to do technical works but i would not waste prime chix on soul-rotting butugychag' , so no particular reason to review unless mircea_popescu feels like )
12:09 mircea_popescu link ?
12:09 asciilifeform hmm
12:11 mod6 <+asciilifeform> ty BingoBoingo . mod6 plox to confirm exact time. << according to the notes about the accounts that I received last night from ben_vulpes, his rockchip is rented through August 19th.
12:12 asciilifeform ah ty mod6
12:12 mod6 ben_vulpes: plz confirm ^
12:13 mod6 anyway, I believe you can re-image starting: 2018.08.20 00:00:00
12:14 mircea_popescu you know, far be it from me to hassle you folk about your fine organisation ; but it occurs to me, on the butress of experience, that you're running a very wasteful process in that every.single.god.damned.thing produces an interrupt. there should be some queues and some batching, you can't ping someone every.single.time.anything.occurs. yes ?
12:15 mircea_popescu "one single interrupt is worth 15 minutes of labour" or how did that tale go.
12:15 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: at current rate of interrupts, 2-3/month . but yes, will have to be optimized.
12:15 mircea_popescu asciilifeform i saw two the past hour and i recall at leasta coupla yest which is why i said.
12:15 mod6 agree, and duly noted.
12:16 mod6 yeah, forgive me. i'm just getting up to speed on all of the particularities of what is going on here. I only ask ben to confirm because alf said earlier that it expired at the end of the month.
12:17 mod6 Which, conflicts with the notes. And to your point, mircea_popescu, we need to get better at comms & note sharing.
12:17 mircea_popescu possibly have a file with all the stuff you want to send people (because this process of -- think of it -- do something about it! has a lot of merit to it). but if you just >> alf.txt and then once a day or once a week or w/e >> gpg -aer alf and >> p.bvulpes.com then you get it all.
12:18 mircea_popescu also has the advantage that it puts the patters right under your eyes, so to speak. you get organisational audit for free with it.
12:19 mircea_popescu patterns*
12:23 mod6 *nod*. The file I've got in front of me is a good start to such a reoccring information passing. It's genereated dozens of questions from me; once I have them answered, I'll send it around. This will also help BB get up to speed on what is what early.
12:24 mod6 I appreciate the advise here. The management end here has to get better.
12:24 mircea_popescu practice makes purrfect.
12:25 mircea_popescu that's the overawing important point -- the reason we are so damned good today has a lot to do with what lispers call repl and biologists call genetics. if you can get a recurring loop going you'll probably win.
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12:25 mircea_popescu "use the log" doesn't just mean, read here. use it, as the tool it is, in the sense of permit referentiality.
12:30 * asciilifeform exhausted the current allotment of cycles to dredge up the $thread , perhaps will turn up later when i remember the correct hooks
12:31 asciilifeform it went approx like this, iirc some time in 2016 : asciilifeform : 'if quality slavegurlz can be trained to do anything , mircea_popescu couldja spare 1 or 2 for ada battallion ' mircea_popescu : 'hell no, why would i waste any on such a thing; what next, i will ask asciilifeform to do field work detail in their place ? '
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12:31 asciilifeform ^ if anybody recalls this thread, plox to link
12:32 mircea_popescu i expect it was more along the lines of "you manage yours, i'll manage mine, tyvm."
12:33 asciilifeform right, i dun disagree
12:33 mircea_popescu but yes, if you've got a competent spy you're not going to make her a competent kbd monkey -- for approximately the same reason people don't usually eat their children. acceptable substitutes for flesh can usually be found.
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12:35 asciilifeform that being said, history knows cases where officer in short-handed unit picked up rifle and engaged .
12:36 mircea_popescu hence eg today's http://btcbase.org/log/2018-07-24#1837516
12:36 a111 Logged on 2018-07-24 15:09 mircea_popescu: i might get this inept slut a blog though... what'd pizarro think about giving my stupid whores slots on the mp-wp megaserver ?
12:36 asciilifeform aha
12:37 mircea_popescu in fairness, that's more in the vein of "well... i got this here chunk, but hard to tell what it actually is, bring me a selection of hammers to hit it with see if it sings."
12:38 asciilifeform oblig su joak : division commander notices that maxim gun emplacement has fallen silent. he walks over , 'comrade gunner, why is your maxim silent' gunner : 'comrade lieutenant, i've run through my belt' lieutenant : 'BUT YOUR ARE A COMMUNIST!' ... the maxim promptly begins to chatter again !
12:38 asciilifeform *YOU
12:38 mircea_popescu lol
12:38 asciilifeform ( or see also mircea_popescu's seven dwarves story, similar. )
12:40 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2018-07-24#1837590 << and ftr, "usually" is the right strength there. plenty of children have made in the past, and no doubt will make in the future, most delicious stu.
12:40 a111 Logged on 2018-07-24 16:33 mircea_popescu: but yes, if you've got a competent spy you're not going to make her a competent kbd monkey -- for approximately the same reason people don't usually eat their children. acceptable substitutes for flesh can usually be found.
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13:08 deedbot http://qntra.net/2018/07/remote-command-execution-vulnerability-found-in-sony-webcam-firmware/ << Qntra - Remote Command Execution Vulnerability Found In Sony Webcam Firmware
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14:10 lobbes Lol. "While parsing the input measurement string, there isn't a check on the server address (-c). In this manner, any string can be placed as the server address and will be executed via system. Knowing this, an attacker can execute arbitrary commands in the position of the server address."
14:10 lobbes Sony "pulled a lobbes"
14:11 asciilifeform lol
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14:42 deedbot http://qntra.net/2018/07/oracle-re-patches-11-year-old-solaris-hole-that-survived-first-patch/ << Qntra - Oracle Re-Patches 11 Year Old Solaris Hole That Survived FIrst Patch
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20:54 mircea_popescu aaand in today's ancientry, "Uite-asa se scurge timpul, si Romania progreseaza, incet-incet, ca melasa, pe lungul drum al prefacerii intru devenire, a construirii unei societati a viitorului, in care omul nou sa traiasca vesnic si sa nu faca nimic cu toata vesnicia aia."
20:54 mircea_popescu and this is pre-bitcoin even!
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21:59 mod6 All, one thing that I didn't know that I even had to do, was publish the price at which the this months auction for pizarro took place. It all transpired on July 10th, and the price that was used was $6800.
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22:00 mod6 This will be the price used when determining invoicing this month. I am working with / have been working with ben to get all of these settled.
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22:22 mod6 I am hoping to get invoices for July out in the 48 hours.
22:24 mod6 mircea_popescu, asciilifeform : Dulap's quarterly service was finished at the end of june. So we need to figure out if you want to pay for dulap's colocation either quarterly, or yearly. But it does need to include July.
22:24 mod6 No worries, just let me know what works, and we'll get a price figured out.
22:29 mod6 mircea_popescu, diana_coman : Ben and I worked out a prorated amount for UY3 for the month of July. It comes to a total of 19 days, which will amount to: 0.03542985
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22:30 mod6 If you decide to go-production with this machine after July, we'll then add in the new drives (when they arrive) and figure out a new price at that point.
22:33 mircea_popescu a right, lessee
22:33 mircea_popescu !!invoices
22:33 mircea_popescu !!receivedinvoices
22:33 mircea_popescu !!received-invoices
22:33 deedbot http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/BHwQH/?raw=true
22:38 mircea_popescu mod6 go ahead an' invoice. i recall now seeing something like this b4 but no invoice either.
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22:39 mod6 For S.MG's UY3 then?
22:39 mircea_popescu well the july bit above.
22:39 mod6 Yup, gotcha. Will fire one up here in just a few moments.
22:39 mircea_popescu i dun recall, did you ever include the rationale, past "ben and i worked out" ?
22:39 mircea_popescu !!reject-invoice lobbes 2
22:39 deedbot Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/TBdsE/?raw=true
22:40 mod6 he lead me through all of the calculations. let me dig some of it up for you.
22:40 mircea_popescu ^ that being the "accidentally paid 2017 invoice again" item that led to http://btcbase.org/log/2018-07-03#1831526 and the change in counts.
22:40 a111 Logged on 2018-07-03 16:01 mircea_popescu: so trinque could it be possible to not be possible to pay the same invoice twice cuz that's the point of invoices in the first place, they should die once paid
22:45 mod6 So the 0.03542985 includes the price of the physical box, and a charge for rack space. we broke this down into a daily cost, then multiplied it by 19, as we figured this out on the 12th.
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22:46 mircea_popescu !Qcalc 0.03542985/19*30
22:46 lobbesbot mircea_popescu: 0.0559418684211
22:47 mod6 it was like:
22:47 mircea_popescu this ~same item that ran me 0.475 for a whole year ?
22:49 mod6 !Qcalc (((0.42967914/12)+0.022)/31)*19
22:49 lobbesbot mod6: 0.0354298485484
22:50 mod6 mircea_popescu: um, I actually don't know what was factored in for the whole year. my guess is that one may have had a discount for paying a whole year in advance. where this number has a bit of a higher margin for month-to-month.
22:51 mod6 ben_vulpes: any comment on this when you get a chance? ^
22:52 deedbot http://blog.esthlos.com/log-reading-week-3/ << esthlos - Log Reading, Week 3
22:52 mircea_popescu lol. aaanyways, i've no problem with the three cents, go ahead an' invoice.
22:53 mod6 Alright, on it.
22:55 mod6 !!invoice mircea_popescu 0.03542985 July 2018 prorated invoice for UY3
22:55 deedbot Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/JKOzk/?raw=true
22:56 mircea_popescu !!pay-invoice mod6 1
22:56 deedbot Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/w2F1i/?raw=true
22:57 mircea_popescu let's see if we can get you sorted out with a whole coin :D
22:59 mircea_popescu "So this week's post is late." has such a ring of familiarity about it.
23:00 mod6 !!v AC89739413698263AF8E7C738E2EB868109ED900600651DBD3E07B0C140366BC
23:00 deedbot Invoiced mircea_popescu 0.03542985 << July 2018 prorated invoice for UY3
23:07 mod6 !!ledger
23:07 deedbot http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/CWdgN/?raw=true
23:08 mircea_popescu esthlos http://blog.esthlos.com/log-reading-week-3/#footnote_1_30 << what's that mean ?!
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23:12 mod6 anyway, sorry about that, it took me a few minutes to get the invoice processed. not sure if it let you pay that invoice before I did the whole !!v thing.
23:12 mircea_popescu if i understand the mechanics correctly it'll work fine.
23:13 mod6 ah. didnt see it in my !!ledger.
23:13 mircea_popescu that's why it'll work fine. seems to me it creates a symbol when asked, but only checks once !!v'd. since i've not done that yet, it didn't matter you hadn't yet !!v'd atthye time i !!pay-i'd.
23:14 mod6 ahh. herp.
23:14 mod6 my bad.
23:14 trinque mircea_popescu: correct
23:14 mod6 anyway, no rush.
23:15 mod6 I'm gonna be around a bit, but we can always talk about what you wanna do with Dulap tomorrow.
23:15 mircea_popescu i dunno wanna do anything with it tomorrow
23:15 mircea_popescu oh, you mean talk tomorrow. lol. sure, dun worry about it.
23:15 mod6 yeah, :]
23:15 mircea_popescu we can always talk tomorrow about what you wanna do with Dulap!
23:15 mod6 haha, indeed.
23:16 ben_vulpes mod6: discount for paying for a year in advance, there are also two fuckgoats in that machine
23:17 mircea_popescu and more drives ?
23:17 asciilifeform mod6: dulap is a colo, recall, it wasn't sold
23:17 asciilifeform ( unlike the smg units )
23:17 mod6 oh. alright, the price that I invoiced Mr. Popescu for correct tho right (what we came up with on the ~12th)
23:18 mod6 asciilifeform: correct. technically we should have figured out the quarterly or yearly contract at the end of june.
23:18 * mircea_popescu is not even going to ask what this overselling does to his insurance for the other machine :D
23:23 mod6 heheh, this is a fair point here.
23:23 asciilifeform mod6: let's make this tomorrow, i'm about to fall down, gotta sleep
23:24 mod6 np.
23:24 mod6 last point here: if UY3 goes into production, I think we'll just buy another machine as insurance.
23:24 mod6 Can't hurt to have that hot-spare. I quite like the idea.
23:25 asciilifeform btw there is still a cold spare in the rack ( s.nsa spare )
23:25 mod6 *nod* good to know.
23:25 mod6 ok asciilifeform, get some sleep. I'm about to do the same. we can pick it up tomorrow.
23:26 asciilifeform asciilifeform in favour of lending it to e.g. smg , in hour of need
23:26 mod6 sure.
23:26 ben_vulpes asciilifeform: awesome
23:27 * asciilifeform bbl
23:27 mod6 ni ni
23:30 ben_vulpes in unrelated http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-15#1656658 , ben_vulpes moving to texas to whip trinque's oarsmen, re-plumb engineroom, stand watch over gauges
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23:30 a111 Logged on 2017-05-15 22:36 mircea_popescu: "Somewhat fortunately Balsamiq was too successful for that, and Giacomo was forced to hire more and more people. Balsamiq is now being built by 25 members, who service around 0.5M customers and manage 10,000 new transactions a month. All of it generating about $7M a year." << this is actually a model-run business. had nfi mp-style even exists in fiat world, but lo and behold. took 10 years to get to 7mn a year, sustainably.
23:32 * mircea_popescu mashed kbd apparently when pressing yes, test.sh got saved as test.sht, system couldn't magically find script anymoar, 5 minute haphazard luls ensued.
23:32 mircea_popescu apparently i don't even need to run it for this judgmental box to have an oppinion on my skillz.
23:33 mod6 :D
23:39 esthlos http://btcbase.org/log/2018-07-25#1837653 << recent example would be http://btcbase.org/log/2018-07-18#1835763 and the few posts following .
23:39 a111 Logged on 2018-07-25 03:08 mircea_popescu: esthlos http://blog.esthlos.com/log-reading-week-3/#footnote_1_30 << what's that mean ?!
23:39 a111 Logged on 2018-07-18 01:07 asciilifeform: my only disagreement was re the notion that this is necessarily The Right Thing for erry proggy, as some sort of counter to 'rmsism'
23:41 mircea_popescu well, alf's oft peculiar assumption set isn't what i had in mind when discussing information density. but instead, two aspects : on one hand, that the amount of learned refrences is staggering even for academic discourse (the academitards cheat, by selecting a very narrow set of possible reference points and agreeing on it in advance) ; and then the more one knows, the more things unfold, exactly in the manner i end up watchi
23:41 mircea_popescu ng some movies twenty fucking times.
23:47 esthlos I see. yeah, following the references, reading the trilema articles, etc. are half the work of reading the logs. and when skipped, render the logs opaque
23:47 mircea_popescu and when followed, render the logs exponentially larger, because wait a fucking minute, is THAT implied the other implication of item from three days ago ?
23:47 mircea_popescu most (private) attempts to do what you're doing i know of died the death of the look-behead.
23:47 mircea_popescu behind*
23:49 esthlos lol please don't behead poor esthlos :)
23:49 mircea_popescu lol
23:51 esthlos keeping the summaries allowe me to track the threads of implications. i have nfi how people manage otherwise. though my rote memory sux
23:52 lobbes http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-19#1815822
23:52 a111 Logged on 2018-05-19 23:09 mircea_popescu: "ia, not ai."
23:52 esthlos but not all the threads. conversations that go on for years and years? this thing is the fucking talmud
23:53 mircea_popescu most [important] conversations are ongoing for many years. they basically happen in this select group of complex interplay.
23:54 mircea_popescu you're perhaps familiar with the theory of sets to the degree the discussion of cardinal of sets in http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-31#1594980
23:54 a111 Logged on 2016-12-31 19:32 mircea_popescu: fortunately, mathematics is simple. V is the set of all sets. by convention, the first index, V0, is the empty set.
23:55 mircea_popescu the problem of indirection layers is directly an equivalent of this, because "what is this conversation REALLY about" permits in principle an open ended reskinning of every conversation. which is somethingt that happens all the fucking time, because we CAN discuss chess in terms of girl-on-girl on-cam action, and half the time we also do.
23:56 esthlos you know, I was in fiat job today, and I realized how badly I needed a global namespace for threads. no wonder no one get anything done
23:56 mircea_popescu which is why it's so HARD to ~correctly~ identify actual cases of utter breakage in the sense of "alf is an assumptive idiot" or "mp is millitantly ignorant" or w/e.
23:57 mircea_popescu hard for the not-exactly-ungifted peole in the very question, first of all. because well...
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