#trilema | 2018-07-25

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hmm, but to be clear, are you saying that what any person is saying on any ~single~ posting is open to interpretation? because this sounds like hermeneutical approach which lead to the protestant uprising and other bla bla

00:00

mircea_popescu

(and by "select group" above i meant "group of threads/"ideal objects sorted in trees" more properly speaking. not groups of people. this sadly isn't at all evident from context, but i caught it on re-read. half the time though, it IS "evident" on the basis of cousins six removed)

00:01

mircea_popescu

esthlos there's no other approach available besides interpretation. there's no some way to "read the true reading" in the manner you can ingurgitate an apple.

00:02

mircea_popescu

protestants can uprise all they want for all the good it'll do them.

00:03

mircea_popescu

!#s think in terms of

00:03

a111

115 results for "think in terms of", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=think%20in%20terms%20of

00:04

mircea_popescu

omfg only a hundred times explicitly ? wink wink drudge drudge.

00:10

mircea_popescu

esthlos you ever read the discussion of the dragonfly's brain ?

00:11

esthlos

but surely, a dense subset of these sets are uninteresting? there has to be some mechanism to reduce things to some polynomial blowup. or are things really just beyond our grasp?

00:11

mircea_popescu

not dense, but very large. the problem with it is that it's not dense.

00:11

esthlos

no, though I love watching those bastards zip around and hunt

00:12

mircea_popescu

alright, here : http://trilema.com/2014/the-complexity-of-life-a-triad/#selection-51.0-63.503

00:12

mircea_popescu

the thing with that is, people obviously don't fly about the room doing 100 body lengths a second while catching bugs and jumping right out of inept frog's mouth all cool as shit.

00:13

esthlos

if set of interesting sets is dense in set of all interpretations, how can we proceed?

00:13

mircea_popescu

HOWEVER they do exactly the same in this field of representation. MUCH MORE so, exponentially rather than proportionally when compared to the dragonfly, people sort and select through utterly staggering piles of alternative constructs.

00:13

esthlos

yes. didn't you just link an uncle al about this?

00:13

mircea_popescu

esthlos the problem is that it's neither dense nor sparse. and i dunno how we can proceed. moreover, i suspect goedel says we can not proceed.

00:14

mircea_popescu

i thought alf did.

00:16

esthlos

http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-28#1491930

00:16

a111

Logged on 2016-06-28 04:35 asciilifeform: http://www.mazepath.com/uncleal/create.htm << obligatory.

00:18

esthlos

that we can assemble a semi-coherent reality is only topped by the existence of a semi-coherent reality

00:19

mircea_popescu

rather that we manage to will a coherent approximation of reality into existence. because it's what we're doing, yes, and we need all these complex tools to keep it from becoming either self contradictory, disjointed or else derealized.

00:20

esthlos

go

00:20

esthlos

^^ ignore

00:21

esthlos

not to trivialize, but are you a schopenhauer fan then? or a more broad idealist?

00:22

mircea_popescu

im not an idealist at all.