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00:13 mod6 !!invoice lobbes 0.03308823 Rockchip invoice for 3 months of service, through October 31st, 2018
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00:13 deedbot Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/3HFjv/?raw=true
00:17 mod6 !!v E3E0C81A05DDA2E5942DD5445F2A81AFA081D34EF176E291E32808DBBE3B8E4F
00:17 deedbot Invoiced lobbes 0.03308823 << Rockchip invoice for 3 months of service, through October 31st, 2018
00:31 lobbes !!pay-invoice mod6 1
00:31 deedbot Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/dfaxR/?raw=true
00:31 lobbes !!v E3FDAA1052B63328EE9ABDDA06A194D4BF7D241D6F465A2207FF6C4E2837DD89
00:31 deedbot lobbes paid mod6 invoice 1
00:46 mod6 Thanks lobbes!
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02:38 lobbes pleasure doing business
02:38 lobbes http://btcbase.org/log/2018-07-26#1837860 << no, I know. I can only offer the "dayjob for food steals most of my productive hours in the day" excuse here. That being said, the importance of getting this thing up isn't lost on me.
02:38 a111 Logged on 2018-07-26 19:51 mircea_popescu: lobbes_sans_znc ok but i mean, it's been two weeks!
02:44 diana_coman mod6, I don't recall: was there any option to pay yearly for the rockchip?
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04:53 deedbot http://thetarpit.org/posts/y05/078-trilemabot-ii.html << The Tar Pit - trilemabot [ii]: prefixed commands
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05:17 jurov mod6: invoicing me directly for foundation expenses is fine
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11:09 mircea_popescu !Qlater tell lobbes yet i noticed you've not provided an eta.
11:09 lobbesbot mircea_popescu: The operation succeeded.
11:10 mircea_popescu absence is meaningful, you understand, and what that absence means here is "not worth the mention", which in turn translates to "may default to any reasonable value of your choosing" which in this case means to me "definite;y done by saturday". because that's what i want it to be.
11:10 mircea_popescu so saturday we'll be having the same discussion in the same terms, "why have you [implicitly] promised something you didn't deliver", which is just not a good way to go about things.
11:11 mircea_popescu consider that the "top of hopper" item ALSO means, and what it means in this context is "i've not done anything for two weeks seeing how i've not yet touched my top of hopper" "but mp... i got distracted..." "then WHY do you even have a top of hopper concept, if distraction's the law of the land ?"
11:12 mircea_popescu because unlike the empire, where they speak to feel good, like birds chirping, the republic has the log and the mechanism of inference, one can very effectually land self in soup. all it takes is apply the "i want everyone to be happy" imperial process for a few passes, until you've loaded yourself into such a ball of inference no one can possibly managed.
11:16 mircea_popescu so don't do that. instead, see diana_coman 's theoretical work on managing this (ie http://www.dianacoman.com/2018/02/06/its-only-words-and-assumptions-and-priorities-and-ouch/ ) and take for instance Mocky 's very effectual style ( http://logs.minigame.biz/2018-07-22.log.html#t13:56:10 / http://logs.minigame.biz/2018-07-25.log.html#t19:48:59 etc ). doodn's managed 27 builds of a mining bot NONE OF WHICH WORK to date and i'm
11:16 mircea_popescu not yet yelling at him -- that's gotta be good for something, yes ?
11:16 lobbesbot Logged on 2018-07-22 13:56:10: <Mocky> I'm shooting for wed
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11:38 mod6 http://btcbase.org/log/2018-07-26#1837786 << trinque informed me that the June rate was actually $6742. There are two invoices that are were never sent for June, I'll be using this price point to create this invoice, instead of the round $6800 number mentioned in the linked log entry.
11:38 a111 Logged on 2018-07-26 01:37 mod6: *nod* was just hoping to find that btc/fiat price. I never did find it. Roughly, I think the price was about $6800 when it would have transpired. But I'll give others a chance to chime on this before I make a June invoice for The Foundation.
11:45 mod6 !Qcalc 141.7/6742
11:45 lobbesbot mod6: 0.0210175022249
11:46 mod6 !!invoice jurov 0.02101750 June Invoice for The Bitcoin Foundation's colo service. #foundation #pizarro
11:46 deedbot Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/RnSGu/?raw=true
11:49 mod6 !!v 49528B7B6A2678D5CB49D089E8948D90E1A3B7ABEFECBB0676EAF9ECC008F4A1
11:49 deedbot Invoiced jurov 0.02101750 << June Invoice for The Bitcoin Foundation's colo service. #foundation #pizarro
11:50 mod6 !Qcalc 141.7/6800
11:50 lobbesbot mod6: 0.0208382352941
11:52 mod6 !!invoice jurov 0.02083823 July Invoice for The Bitcoin Foundation's colo service. #foundation #pizarro
11:52 deedbot Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/7aIvm/?raw=true
11:58 mod6 !!v F883C94C08F5A6889E960B754B55790D6F3D152ECC645D567DDDD79C666210DC
11:58 deedbot Invoiced jurov 0.02083823 << July Invoice for The Bitcoin Foundation's colo service. #foundation #pizarro
12:01 mod6 !Qcalc (141.70/6742)+0.003
12:01 lobbesbot mod6: 0.0240175022249
12:02 mod6 !!invoice trinque 0.02401750 June Invoice for colo service and shared shell at pizarro
12:02 deedbot Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/6F5nf/?raw=true
12:09 mod6 !!v F5173CA8C897148ED79D4BB479591AF2A2C5B94BE788626FF97D2C6B50A9C657
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12:09 deedbot Invoiced trinque 0.02401750 << June Invoice for colo service and shared shell at pizarro
12:11 trinque !!v 97FB143588681F6C1906842EDF92289D8D30CF3E53E4B1898CAA1D8DC7120075
12:11 deedbot trinque paid mod6 invoice 1
12:11 mod6 trinque: Thanks!
12:12 mod6 !Qcalc (141.70/6800)+0.003
12:12 lobbesbot mod6: 0.0238382352941
12:12 trinque of course, thank you too
12:12 lobbes mircea_popescu: this makes a lot of sense, ty. Ima read diana_coman's blog post you referenced and study Mocky's style of communication. I will then provide a proper eta tonight
12:12 lobbesbot lobbes: Sent 1 hour and 3 minutes ago: <mircea_popescu> yet i noticed you've not provided an eta.
12:15 mod6 !!invoice trinque 0.02383823 July Invoice for colo service and shared shell at pizarro
12:15 deedbot Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/zB5FK/?raw=true
12:17 trinque what's the exchange rate used on that one?
12:17 trinque oh, 6800, more like 8100 right now.
12:19 mod6 http://btcbase.org/log/2018-07-25#1837609
12:19 a111 Logged on 2018-07-25 01:59 mod6: All, one thing that I didn't know that I even had to do, was publish the price at which the this months auction for pizarro took place. It all transpired on July 10th, and the price that was used was $6800.
12:19 trinque I'm not going to eat 1300 of spread here
12:20 mod6 Everyone is being invoiced this way.
12:21 mod6 This is how ben_vulpes has been doing it, by using the price point set from the btc/fiat sale
12:21 trinque how convenient for you, to choose when to do that sale... ?
12:22 mod6 It was done early in the month, when the price was what it was. If you had be properly invoiced at that time, what then?
12:23 mod6 (these invoices are coming in way late -- should have been done as soon as the price point was set)
12:23 trinque the invoice date is moving around on me, so how can I say
12:23 trinque so when are we doing invoices going forward
12:23 jurov !!pay-invoice mod6 1
12:23 deedbot Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/59rYT/?raw=true
12:24 mod6 We ideally want to do them as soon as the price signal is placed.
12:24 jurov !!v DA8BD990492D52BD3F4CA4C3A8B7E65B31E48CFBDC88B4AC081EE4A16B635EED
12:24 deedbot jurov paid mod6 invoice 1
12:24 mod6 ben_vulpes: care to weigh in here on the above ^ ?
12:24 trinque you realize I want to repurchase what I spend?
12:25 trinque so "ideally" nothing, can we get a date for invoices please?
12:25 jurov !!pay-invoice mod6 2
12:25 deedbot Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/JcjNk/?raw=true
12:25 ben_vulpes invoice date will be right after mod6 clears sale of btc and produces a price signal going forward
12:26 trinque ben_vulpes: that is not a date
12:26 trinque that's a "whenever I want"
12:26 trinque schedule the auction, with an end date, and next day is invoice day
12:26 ben_vulpes so mod6 when does the august auction close?
12:26 jurov !!v 2795FE64784943C43FD144E100E7899984215F24F9CB1331E4D3DC7317B283D7
12:26 deedbot jurov paid mod6 invoice 2
12:27 mod6 i know it sounds ideal to say, for instance, "auction closes on 10th of month", "invoices will start going out on the 11th". However, there is no way to know if the auction will be completed. At this time, it's a very touch-and-go thing.
12:27 mod6 jurov: Thanks!
12:27 mircea_popescu trinque the concept is sound, "i'm not eating random spreads", but in practice, a) do you specifically want to repurchase what you spend in short time or at optimuim price ? ie, "you bought all you were going to buy at 6k, what do you care".
12:27 mircea_popescu i do the same thing btw, repurchase spends.
12:28 trinque want these goofs to schedule the invoices.
12:28 mircea_popescu that for sure.
12:28 mircea_popescu wasn't discussing the instant thing, but the broader problem of wtf we do.
12:28 mircea_popescu ie, your complaint has broader teeth i suspect.
12:29 ben_vulpes mod6: if invoice day is the 15th on a month, figure you can close the auction before then?
12:29 mod6 there is no way to tell.
12:29 trinque yeah, really matters which way the market is moving, whether I want to stock up first, or replenish after
12:30 trinque mod6: what auction doesn't have an end date?
12:30 mircea_popescu anyway, part of the problem is that the saw teeth are a little overlarge, basically. too few auctions.
12:30 mircea_popescu trinque he doesn't know when lobbes has the auction ready lol.
12:31 mod6 it's not only that, it's just trying to get the whole thing organized and sent down there. This month, I had it all done by the 10th. With plently of time to spare to get invoices out by the 15th.
12:31 mircea_popescu actually, let's suppose i found a solution here :
12:32 mod6 But who is to say that I don't get hit by a bus on AUgust 4th, and then it's not complete in time.
12:32 trinque can still make a commitment and after that we're still people who communicate
12:33 mircea_popescu !Qauction 1bn 168 8.2k wFF q0
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12:33 lobbesbot AUCTION # 338 STARTED by mircea_popescu: 8.2k wFF q0 Opening: 1bn coppers Ending: 2018-08-03 16:33:06 UTC (168 hours)
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12:33 mod6 The fact is, until we have a steady stream of usd coming in, I hesitate to put a date on it -- can only say at this time, "will do best to have them out as soon as we can after the auction". It's my fault that I didn't start invoicing right away. I mearly did not, because I thought that these were sent at the end of the month.
12:33 mircea_popescu the above wFF denotes wired filthy fiats ; winner gets the chunk wired to details of his specification at that point.
12:34 trinque !Qhelp
12:34 lobbesbot trinque: http://lobbesblog.com/lobbesbotcommands
12:34 mircea_popescu there is some wiggle room in the sense that banks are unreliable and so if it does come out it's impossible to wire as intended, the trade just unwinds.
12:34 mircea_popescu delivery within ~2weeks from date of closing, because wtf can you do.
12:36 trinque yeah, my first invoice was based on the WU I sent
12:37 trinque mod6: I understand there are challenges; I'm also trying to be a model customer for you, and while I generally trust you to do sensible things, $invoiceDate = rand() isn't be great for your business either.
12:38 trinque there are a finite amount of "the interface slipped thousands of funnybux between auction and invoice" that I will eat, and I will proably eat more of them than other customers that don't know you as well
12:39 trinque fair or not, it's a problem you have
12:49 trinque another thing to consider is whether you're encouraging people to pay for 12mos of service upfront. it buys you runway, puts some extra cash in your hand for adspend or w/e serves bringing on more customers. right now I'm compelled to wait another month at month to month to see what the spread is next month, and you have a bit less cash to wield.
12:50 trinque !!v 5AAA9A4604C6BC8A3558E93B42753B0D4DA69D421137099CBB8289913D0EC4C6
12:50 deedbot trinque paid mod6 invoice 2
12:50 trinque I'm gonna let ^ be what it is, but hopefully some of what I'm saying seems reasonable.
12:51 mod6 I haven't even invoiced you yet.
12:51 trinque oh lol
12:51 trinque could have sworn I saw a second one
12:51 mod6 Once you raised your objection, I haven't sent in the !!v yet.
12:51 trinque ah got it
12:52 trinque I'm willing to pay this one and move forward, just giving feedback for next time
12:56 mod6 Alright, sounds good. I appreciate that. I have notes on this; will ensure that invoices go out immedately after btc/fiat auction is complete and price point published. This should help everyone involved.
12:56 trinque thanks mod6
12:57 mod6 !!v http://btcbase.org/log/2018-07-25#1837609
12:57 a111 Logged on 2018-07-25 01:59 mod6: All, one thing that I didn't know that I even had to do, was publish the price at which the this months auction for pizarro took place. It all transpired on July 10th, and the price that was used was $6800.
12:57 mod6 dangit
12:57 mod6 !!v F5173CA8C897148ED79D4BB479591AF2A2C5B94BE788626FF97D2C6B50A9C657
13:01 trinque http://btcbase.org/log/2018-07-27#1837936 << that was june
13:01 a111 Logged on 2018-07-27 16:09 mod6: !!v F5173CA8C897148ED79D4BB479591AF2A2C5B94BE788626FF97D2C6B50A9C657
13:03 mod6 ah jeeze. sorry.
13:04 mod6 !!v 4C6BE78C23D4F8336DC0C318FC0C9D29B02FFDBC8F47242B0A9323D4EE3E1119
13:04 deedbot Invoiced trinque 0.02383823 << July Invoice for colo service and shared shell at pizarro
13:05 trinque !!v 59C91508719232F9D063C14F1288E7DFA5718EB0D010425EBD576D9FB2EA4C3C
13:05 deedbot trinque paid mod6 invoice 2
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13:33 mod6 !!invoice mats 0.01362880 Invoice for 100gb of disk space on shared shell for one year
13:33 deedbot Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/vNqTv/?raw=true
13:36 mod6 !!v E8206D6DC7F551505D7E6E231A6407E65287B216DE82C1462BB7FED7156F1526
13:37 deedbot Invoiced mats 0.01362880 << Invoice for 100gb of disk space on shared shell for one year
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13:56 diana_coman http://btcbase.org/log/2018-07-27#1837906 -> did I miss the answer for this? mod6 ben_vulpes BingoBoingo ?
13:56 a111 Logged on 2018-07-27 06:44 diana_coman: mod6, I don't recall: was there any option to pay yearly for the rockchip?
13:58 ben_vulpes one can pay annually, but the discount is for quarterly up-front payments: 25%.
13:58 mod6 diana_coman: I was just getting to your question, I didn't miss it :]
13:59 mod6 I did pay annually for mine, diana_coman. At today's price-point you're looking at:
13:59 mod6 !Qcalc ((75*12)/6800)+(0.00104167*12)
13:59 lobbesbot mod6: 0.144852981176
13:59 mod6 For 1 Year RockChip + FG ^
14:01 diana_coman ok, invoice me as ^ for 1 year then please, mod6
14:01 mod6 You got it!
14:01 mats !!v 941D9E9EDE328DE31A81E3BF00E49D9B85C2D5B4A3485694454BBDB67C6D4A63
14:03 mod6 !!invoice diana_coman 0.14485298 Invoice for one year of Rockchip + FG
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14:03 deedbot Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/lb1Dp/?raw=true
14:04 mats !!v AA88E4470FE84B972C66C5FF504F572E0F929B8501D414DCE5A9A2CA3670DD8A
14:04 deedbot mats paid mod6 invoice 1
14:04 mod6 Thanks mats!
14:07 mod6 !!v 944BFE87C12E7196BEE6194A3E1F55ADABCFDE0B3CC9B30F6398114E8370D835
14:07 deedbot Invoiced diana_coman 0.14485298 << Invoice for one year of Rockchip + FG
14:13 mod6 Ok, that's all the invoicing that needed to be done for this month for existing customers & contracts. I appreciate all of your patience and help through this transition month for me.
14:14 mod6 !!sent-invoices
14:14 deedbot http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/FkfON/?raw=true
14:14 mod6 !!ledger
14:14 deedbot http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/Ibx2e/?raw=true
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16:17 deedbot http://qntra.net/2018/07/herpes-strikes-foul-at-ohio-county-fair/ << Qntra - Herpes Strikes Foul At Ohio County Fair
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22:29 deedbot http://qntra.net/2018/07/un-begs-for-cash-after-blowing-through-all-the-money/ << Qntra - UN Begs For Cash After Blowing Through All The Money
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