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07:47 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2019-06-02#1916860 << usually just disguised campaign donations, "i didn't give $$$ to party, i bought ticket". very popular dnc strategy in the us, since the 70s at the least.
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07:47 a111 Logged on 2019-06-02 17:06 BingoBoingo: The very concerned about the poor Frente Amplista wants 300 USD a head to speak for her own campaign.
07:48 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2019-06-02#1916870 << you gotta talk to asciilifeform too.
07:48 a111 Logged on 2019-06-02 19:19 BingoBoingo: In this case since we have identical boxes and divergent prices on the book of 0.23423972 and 0.4 without a USD base price recorded in the statements, I am inclined to take the lower price and round it up to 0.235 to resolve the discrepancy and continue with the pricing exercise.
07:49 mircea_popescu i'm not trying to eat your lunch here, you should be paid a fair amount ; but note you that "sin" was ongoing for as long as i didn't say anything ? this is just not how things can possibly work.
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10:12 asciilifeform mircea_popescu, BingoBoingo : i can't think of any objection, identical irons , leased over identical interval, oughta cost same
10:12 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: plox to look again and be sure they were indeed identical tho
10:13 asciilifeform ( as i understand , boxes in question were dulap & smg ? )
10:20 * asciilifeform digs though log, but still not certain which 2 boxes were spoken of. if indeed these 2, then price is diff, cuz dulap is a colo box, owned by snsa, whereas smg is leased box
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11:09 asciilifeform grr frustrating. BingoBoingo mircea_popescu when either of you wakes up, plox to say which 2 boxes it were.
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12:02 mircea_popescu oh that's right isn't it ?
12:10 asciilifeform !!up pehbot
12:10 deedbot pehbot voiced for 30 minutes.
12:10 asciilifeform !A V_[Peh Ver: ]#
12:10 pehbot asciilifeform: Peh Ver: 00000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000FA
12:11 asciilifeform ^ in other noose, pehbot updated to ch19
12:11 asciilifeform ( it still, grr, won't stay up moar than 3-4 wks in 1 go tho, i'ma have to patch it when trinque publishes his reconnectism patch )
12:11 asciilifeform !A V[FFA Ver: ]#
12:11 pehbot asciilifeform: FFA Ver: 00000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000FD
12:14 BingoBoingo asciilifeform: These are both rental boxes for S.MG. One is the production machine. The other leased monthly (formerly cold spare) for diana_coman to do testing and such.
12:15 BingoBoingo Will take a peak today for one more once over on the boxes.
12:16 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: 1 of them is the dulap spare, and goes for colo rate
12:16 a111 Logged on 2019-05-01 19:28 asciilifeform: it is actually the snsa spare , BingoBoingo and asciilifeform were leasing it out to hanbot at colo rate , with mp's permission.
12:16 asciilifeform the other is a piz box and leased at the lease rate.
12:16 asciilifeform the colo rate is the cheaper.
12:17 asciilifeform this being said, BingoBoingo plox to make sure mircea_popescu is getting the correct price based on the current conversion factor.
12:18 asciilifeform meanwhile, in weird hungarian d00d lulz, http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/BZnL8/?raw=true
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12:18 a111 Logged on 2019-06-01 23:03 asciilifeform: meanwhile, in continuation of earlier lulz : http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/ZwuQt/?raw=true
12:18 BingoBoingo asciilifeform: The dulap spare was yet another monthly, that one strictly billed as a colo, which hanbot played with cuntoo and then the subscription was canceled when that experiment was aborted. The S.NSA spare is cold at present.
12:19 asciilifeform a
12:19 asciilifeform then we're talking about the s.mg spare. which is a piz box and then oughta be priced entirely == to the primary smg.
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12:21 BingoBoingo Dulap's year is coming up soon http://pizarroisp.net/pizarro-records/#selection-83.1615-83.2338 but much simpler math (colo base rate of 141.7*monthstorenew)
12:22 asciilifeform for that also. but also gotta make sure the monthly folx get the correct price.
12:29 BingoBoingo I'll put up a proposal for pricing the machine portion of monthly rentals in a bit that elaborates on http://btcbase.org/log/2019-06-02#1916868
12:29 a111 Logged on 2019-06-02 19:19 BingoBoingo: In order to break the present state of sin and approach the proposed, more reasonable figure, going forward my inclination is to have box rental priced to recover 90% of their book cost over the first year's rents and in following years track 50% per annum as a longevity discount.
12:30 asciilifeform aite
12:33 asciilifeform 'I am very unhappy with this interaction, I don't believe I met MP (since I asked for very clear corroboration bur didn't get it), I don't believe Nicole does the work ascribed to her without assistance (rather, a team does) and more to the point I don't get the whole point of the project. Why would this be done since 2018? Please give me a simple answer. (Two examples would be tracking international sex trafficking, or making black
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12:33 asciilifeform budget payments without being tracked.)' << didjaknow!
12:39 asciilifeform meanwhile, elsewhere in heathendom, classic cmachineistic 0day in 'bzip2'.
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14:01 BingoBoingo http://btcbase.org/log/2019-06-03#1916881 << Sure. Became common knowledge in the US during the 90's before fading out of sight again. Just another point supporting the ~25-35 year culture lag down here.
14:01 a111 Logged on 2019-06-03 11:47 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-06-02#1916860 << usually just disguised campaign donations, "i didn't give $$$ to party, i bought ticket". very popular dnc strategy in the us, since the 70s at the least.
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14:35 mircea_popescu asciilifeform, i'm well confused now. so i'm pying .40 a year for colocation ?!
14:35 mircea_popescu or which is the s.mg owned machine ?
14:44 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2019-06-03#1916911 << well, this is where it gets nutty. i'm certain ben_vulpes talked me into sellign a box to pziarro, but now i don't recall if it was the nsa box or the minigame box. i seem to recall it wasn't both.
14:44 a111 Logged on 2019-06-03 16:19 asciilifeform: then we're talking about the s.mg spare. which is a piz box and then oughta be priced entirely == to the primary smg.
14:44 mircea_popescu i guess ima have to have this dug up on my own side also, to get back to sanity.
14:45 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2019-06-03#1916917 << what the fuck is this nonsense ?
14:45 a111 Logged on 2019-06-03 16:33 asciilifeform: 'I am very unhappy with this interaction, I don't believe I met MP (since I asked for very clear corroboration bur didn't get it), I don't believe Nicole does the work ascribed to her without assistance (rather, a team does) and more to the point I don't get the whole point of the project. Why would this be done since 2018? Please give me a simple answer. (Two examples would be tracking international sex trafficking, or making black
14:46 mircea_popescu yes dude, slavery == superpowers, what the fuck. what else would be the point anyway ?
14:47 mircea_popescu that's precisely what a slavegirl is, a woman that from outside seems a whole fucking blue chip corporation all by herself. much like a car is, to the zulu mind, "a whole herd of oxen".
14:51 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: only smg box (pair, primary & spare) was sold to piz
14:52 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: the snsa pair is (dulap & spare-dulap) are snsa boxen
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14:52 asciilifeform re the nonsense, that's ninjashogun, and as for wtf in his crankcase, i have nfi, i suspect medicine is powerless
14:54 diana_coman eh, from asciilifeform's snippets the dude's "evaluations" seem to be more mix-and-match premade expectations than actual evaluations; fwiw I met Nicole and I don't see why exactly couldn't she do those reviews she did.
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14:56 asciilifeform diana_coman: at this pt i suspect he's a bona fide nutter
14:58 diana_coman I'm not even sure he's not more common than one might think but that's not to say the whole thing is not getting more tiresome than lulzy from my pov.
14:59 asciilifeform supposedly a coupla % ( at least in industrialized populations ) are active/latent schizo
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15:00 asciilifeform at any rate i'm all outta what to say to such patient, if anyone wants to play with him, his email's in the paste, i'ma put him in the nigerian list.
15:02 * asciilifeform suspects the fella's at the stage where only thing left is the folx in white coats, fixation robe, cold showers, aminazine, etc
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15:03 diana_coman asciilifeform: why or how exactly different from all the others who decided that reality doesn't apply to them when it trips over their expectations?
15:04 asciilifeform diana_coman: afaik not diff. only peculiarity is that he got hold of a net connection, but i suppose this is not difficult feat naodays even for hobo
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15:07 asciilifeform ( incidentally remember the olden days when one could usually suppose that someone with net connection has a fixed postage address somewhere, and humanlike house, and etc ? )
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15:22 BingoBoingo <mircea_popescu> or which is the s.mg owned machine ? << NSA owns its machines, S.MG rents its machines from Pizarro. ben_vulpes bought boxes rented to S.MG through incurring a debt S.NSA, visible in Pizarro statements in the liability tables http://pizarroisp.net/2019/05/06/pizarro-april-2019-report/#selection-13.5592-13.5655
15:22 BingoBoingo Will dig for relevant log
15:24 BingoBoingo http://trilema.com/2018/no-such-labs-snsa-april-2018-statement/#selection-525.0-529.309 << S.NSA statement comment on the matter
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15:30 BingoBoingo http://btcbase.org/log/2018-04-03#1792483 http://btcbase.org/log/2018-04-03#1792649 Appear to be the transaction. Conversation happened on a "douchebag" day
15:30 a111 Logged on 2018-04-03 18:11 mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes i wasn't initially going to say anything besides "nay" ; but hey, pizarro's a friend of ours, so : nsa would sell the spare machine for cost, which is about .371. comes with two fgs installed and free shipping.
15:30 a111 Logged on 2018-04-03 19:42 mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes cash or bonds, though for the latter no actual discount was discussed in teh nsa boardroom. but i guess i'll go with .4 off the cuff and hope nobody throws gavels at me.
15:32 BingoBoingo And a portion of the S.NSA debt appears to be FUCKGOATS http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-25#1785997
15:32 a111 Logged on 2018-02-25 16:38 mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes how about you lot take three dozen FGs at .45 ? (cash ; or at your option .5 BTC worth of convertible bonds for s.nsa).
15:32 BingoBoingo http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-26#1786296
15:32 a111 Logged on 2018-02-26 17:30 ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: i'll take 'em in exchange for the note at 0.5. ty!
15:43 BingoBoingo http://btcbase.org/log/2019-06-03#1916911 << asciilifeform to be clear we are talking about both S.MG machines. One machine is a yearly rental where ben_vulpes worked out a sort of high markup insurance plan http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-26#1786313 Eventually the cold spare backing insurance turned into a monthly rental priced by math unknown to me http://btcbase.org/log/2018-07-25#1837631
15:43 a111 Logged on 2019-06-03 16:19 asciilifeform: then we're talking about the s.mg spare. which is a piz box and then oughta be priced entirely == to the primary smg.
15:43 a111 Logged on 2018-02-26 17:41 ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: i'm going to roll the FGs into the rental cost of the machine; 20% markup for a year paid up front for the whole kit and caboodle if that passes with you
15:43 a111 Logged on 2018-07-25 02:45 mod6: So the 0.03542985 includes the price of the physical box, and a charge for rack space. we broke this down into a daily cost, then multiplied it by 19, as we figured this out on the 12th.
15:45 BingoBoingo I would like to convert both of these to clear yearly contracts that will not require a time sucking archaeology mission on both sides when renewal comes up again.
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15:53 BingoBoingo I would like to do this in a way that leads to not every single 1U rental contract becoming a precious bespoke snowflake arrangement (beyond accomodations naturally offered and WELL RECORDED to sugar things up for big clients because "men not laws"). The idea is that by knowing what our book is on a machine, pricing can become simple in the way Colocation and Rockchips are.
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16:23 * BingoBoingo notes the current predicament where X process that could be routinely handled by following a recipe instead degrades to a process involving several exhausting searches is exactly why "common law" jurisdictions inevitably turn into India, Ganges and all
16:27 BingoBoingo Once the S.MG rental billing is taken care of with a model applicable to future server rentals, the book can be closed on ugly common law billing.
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18:31 feedbot http://qntra.net/2019/06/australians-shocked-after-3-chinese-naval-vessels-make-port-call-in-sydney/ << Qntra -- Australians Shocked After 3 Chinese Naval Vessels Make Port Call In Sydney
18:35 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: s/arfificial/artificial in earlier qntra item
18:36 BingoBoingo ty, fxd
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20:47 asciilifeform meanwhile, in definitely-not-news, http://www.loper-os.org/pub/donnelly/index.html
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20:51 asciilifeform incidentally, i generate these by machine, and it takes about 3sec per. would have put it as a net-connected hopper thing aeons ago, BUT it of course uses a heathen render (there are no 'demonstrably electrically correct' pdf eaters, and i dun expect one to exist) and suffers from the obvious problem
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20:51 a111 Logged on 2017-10-27 22:29 mircea_popescu: thatg aside, the more pressing problem is that we don't have a proper pdf-decrufter, (random moron with delusions of self-impoirtance failed to be useful, as you prolly recall), and if we're going to do something by hand this'd be more sorely needed than that.
20:53 asciilifeform imho this kinda thing would be a a+++ application for a 'bake disposable similated linux box with simulated disk etc in <1s and tear down to 0' item.
20:53 a111 Logged on 2017-12-29 15:47 asciilifeform: ( this is prolly doomed to happen in the end. i.e. gotta retarget gnat to a simplified mips or the like, and then run in emulator, verify actual clock cycle counts )
20:54 asciilifeform which presently dun exist, but theoretically is feasible ( i've booted a working generic linux on a <3000loc-c heathen mips emu, for instance, in the past. )
20:55 asciilifeform *simulated
20:56 asciilifeform nao that i thinkaboutit, could be useful even in such application as piz shared hostisics..
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20:58 asciilifeform mips specifically is compact enuff in its definition that one could write a demonstrably-inescapable sim for it. would weigh approx what peh (sans ffa) weighs, i suspect.
20:58 asciilifeform ( anyone have free hands ? and inclination ? spyked maybe ? )
20:59 asciilifeform mircea_popescu can you think of any other applications for this, that'd make it worth the sweat ?
21:01 asciilifeform all of this of course wholly unrelated to the linked piece, which is about distribution of factors in uniform rand. ints. ( about which i thought ~0 is known, but turns out not quite 0. )
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