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00:02 mod6 bdsm club was a bust?
00:02 mp_en_viaje as far as anyone knows, the only bdsm thing in this 8 mn strong city is an item calling itself "club sweet perversions" and limiting self to a facebook page, because why the fuck not, right. if you call their number (319 2137590) some dorky woman tells you it's on caracas and 62nd. except when you actually get there and there's no such thing (just a buncha three story love hotels with overexcited porters trying to get you to park in!!!). then she tur
00:02 mp_en_viaje ns the phone off, because totally, that's the way to win.
00:04 mp_en_viaje bogota night life is like buenos aires night life, present in the form of a choir invisible only.
00:05 mod6 ugh
00:05 mp_en_viaje you should see how fucking deserted the streets are. maaaybe five people per mile, of which four police. DANGEROUS
00:05 mp_en_viaje how the fuck can an empty street be dangerous ? what's it gonna do, fall on you ?
00:06 mod6 i like your sense of adventure
00:07 mp_en_viaje i dunno man...
00:08 mod6 bogota is supposed to be uber dangerous area, you figure, let's inspect this danger. only to find, no one is even there!
00:08 mp_en_viaje the 90s were a lot better for partying, i'll tell you that. it's not clear to me that out of the entire world as it stands you can produce enough night life for a middling 90s town.
00:09 mp_en_viaje imagine this, here i sit in bogota, columbia, like a man in a desert.
00:09 mp_en_viaje mod6, cuz they keep talking to each other, end up believing all sorts of shit.
00:10 mod6 ya, rumor upon rumor. "i heard they ride motorcycles and shoot eachother"
00:10 mod6 were there a lot of young kids on motorcycles with uzis?
00:10 mp_en_viaje it's larger than fucking ny. they'd bettuer fucking ride motorcycles and shoot each other SOMEWHERE
00:11 mod6 haha.
00:11 mp_en_viaje mod6, nope. moreover, i think if they had an uzi they'd hock it and buy a helmet
00:11 mp_en_viaje o btw, recently they passed a law here (like, last fri) that it is no longer permissible for males over 14 to ride bitch
00:11 mp_en_viaje they needed a law to tell them this!
00:12 mp_en_viaje and the fucking bikers protested it!
00:12 mod6 dafaq.
00:12 * asciilifeform recalls for some reason the schmeisser and stahlhelm in buenos aires junkshop
00:12 mp_en_viaje i have nfi.
00:13 asciilifeform what means 'ride bitch' ? sidecar ?
00:13 mod6 no, on the back
00:13 asciilifeform aaa
00:13 mod6 like if i was riding, and told you to put your arms around me.
00:14 mod6 nothing looks funnier than two dudes on a bike, dick to ass.
00:14 asciilifeform lol!
00:15 mp_en_viaje you know ?
00:22 mp_en_viaje dudes locked up the hotel, too. probably because "dangerous", cuz that's gonna deter flamin' bike ridin' bitches shooting uzis : mariott's fucken glass doors. hurr.
00:23 mp_en_viaje but, get this -- these idiots DID make the elevator not work if you don't have your magical key card, so i had to comandeer a maid to get me to my floor. cuz that's fuckinguseful, needing your key for the elevator
00:23 mp_en_viaje HOWEVER they didn't have the fucking sense to make my key open the main gate. fucking banks can figure out this much for atm, but not these dorks. so i gotta wait there for a guard to show up and unlock it and wish me welcome, after the outside guard asks me n times what my room number is.
00:24 mp_en_viaje cuz that's how you fucking welcome guests proper five star like, by having them wait for your dumbass minimum wagers to open their door.
00:24 asciilifeform oh hey was it the randomly and spontaneously self-demagnetizing magickey, like in ro hotels ?
00:24 mp_en_viaje no i think these are chipped
00:25 asciilifeform hightech.
00:25 mp_en_viaje meaning they can be range extended and all the res tof the crapola
00:25 mp_en_viaje hightech in the sense of nightlife.
00:25 asciilifeform i have a handy little faraday sack for these
00:25 asciilifeform worx, tested. cost a buck.
00:26 mp_en_viaje who the fuck locks hotels anyway. AT ELEVEN. "we like to pretend world only exists while sun is up. at sunset great dragon swallows everything"
00:28 mp_en_viaje the cause of all the world's problems is strictly average intelligence dorks going about things "as per their best guess".
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01:02 mp_en_viaje anyway, statistics : this month 149 people died violently. 9 on january 1st, over drunken arguments with family. 9 because https://thecitypaperbogota.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/01/bridge2.jpg on jan 15th. and so fucking following.
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07:54 BingoBoingo <mp_en_viaje> he may be right, but it was not that in argentina, those fuckfaces have 0 capital. << And this is why they waited until Brasilero vacation season ended to take their vacations.
07:58 BingoBoingo <mp_en_viaje> if you but always look at people looking at your eyes, seems improbable anyone's ever pickpocketing you. << Aha. Scares theives and identifies potentially interesting chicas!
08:02 BingoBoingo <mp_en_viaje> the 90s were a lot better for partying, i'll tell you that. it's not clear to me that out of the entire world as it stands you can produce enough night life for a middling 90s town. << I believe. During the night walks there will be a lot of empty street and 1 bar where apparently the party is at, most locals crowded outside asking each other who has the weed hookup while the girlies grind in crowded basement dance trap.
08:03 BingoBoingo I suppose after the plugging in and the monthly statementing that I should write a tourism guide to Montevideo for alf et al
08:06 ben_vulpes sooo, capetown to run out of water early april http://wtkr.com/2018/01/25/in-less-than-3-months-a-major-international-city-will-likely-run-out-of-water/ and so "unwashed hair is now a sign of social responsibility"
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08:29 BingoBoingo But they still have their PARKOUR!
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08:45 ave1 re: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-30#1778269, http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-29#1778038 ie. mp-wp & comments on nfs (php 5.6)
08:45 a111 Logged on 2018-01-30 23:12 mp_en_viaje: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-29#1778033 << it has a tags allowed for comment. if you put b user can bold, if not no. you may not have a on the list.
08:45 a111 Logged on 2018-01-29 17:14 asciilifeform: ty ave1 , i'd definitely like to read the answer
08:47 ave1 you'll need to update the suffix for the form names in comments.php (in the theme)
08:47 ave1 suffix wrong <-> no user name, no email etc
08:48 ave1 and the tag filtering is two-leveled, one in the wp-comments-post.php
08:48 ave1 which worked
08:49 ave1 but another in wp-includes/kses.php
08:49 ave1 which did not work
08:49 ave1 look for the function definition of wp_kses_split
08:50 ave1 the anonymous function($match)
08:51 ave1 needs to be function($match) use($allowed_html, $allowed_protocols)
08:51 ave1 or else allowed_html will be null and all tags are filtered away
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08:52 ave1 so, no setting, but a old wordpress / new php problem
08:52 ave1 an*
08:56 mp_en_viaje in other "thanks goodness computer means programmable machine", i have here this hp elitebook. it has the backlight permanently welded to "retina cancer". the "function" key bs works for everything else EXCEPT setting the brightness, fn-f9 does 0.
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08:57 mp_en_viaje xgamma does nothing. /sys/class/backlight doesn't exist. ye olde grub trick (GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX="acpi_backlight=vendor") does nothing.
08:58 mp_en_viaje dmesg has some acpi entries, BUT NO VIDEO ANYTHING. fucking lspic has nothing related to vga!!! at.all.
08:59 mp_en_viaje i am using a screen called "default" that manifestly does not exist in any way except to fucking burn my eyes off.
09:00 asciilifeform mp_en_viaje: afaik last portabox where errythingworx is ye olde x60
09:00 mp_en_viaje what can i tell you, it passed the mechanical test
09:00 mp_en_viaje (very nice chassis actually(
09:01 ave1 would this work?: xrandr --output DP2 --gamma 0.5:0.5:0.5
09:01 asciilifeform ( i posted even a patched, with own hand , bios for it, iirc phf uses ; and a kernel conf )
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09:01 mp_en_viaje ave1, --current says the screen's name is "default"
09:02 mp_en_viaje yields "xrandr: Gamma size is 0"
09:03 mp_en_viaje which makes sense, seeing how there's a bevy of bs in find /sys/ -type f -iname '*brightness*' all of which permantly welded to either 0 or 255
09:03 ave1 hmm
09:04 asciilifeform mp_en_viaje: in some shittops, it was possible to adjust brightness ~during boot init~ with the fkeys
09:04 asciilifeform try it
09:05 mp_en_viaje worth a shot but i don't feel like rebooting my windows terminal yet again
09:05 asciilifeform then only cure is sunglasses, lol
09:05 mp_en_viaje (resetting the kbd driver to ps/2 also works on some magically, tried that, but this piece of shit worst bios you've ever seen HAS a useless point and click interface but no setting of kbd driver)
09:06 mp_en_viaje i think it literally may be the worst bios interface i have ever seen. ever. including 1990s almost-compatible days.
09:07 asciilifeform hp, recall, had a clitler, whole product line went to shit irrecoverably
09:08 mp_en_viaje C9K94UC#ABA (hp eliteboook 8470p) for the precision minded. i wouldn't recommend buying it, even though the chassis may seem fine.
09:12 asciilifeform seems to be mentioned in re 'video.use_native_backlight=1' kernel knob
09:12 asciilifeform might be also worth a shot
09:14 mp_en_viaje i'd have to recompile ?
09:14 asciilifeform nah, boot knob
09:14 asciilifeform in place of the 'vendor' thing
09:15 asciilifeform supposedly worx on the ones with intel vga
09:15 mp_en_viaje a grub ? well iguess lessee.
09:17 mp_en_viaje bbs
09:22 mp_en_viaje asciilifeform, that did nothing ; however the "fn f9 will work during boot only" part is correct -- they do.
09:23 mp_en_viaje i would say this is a glorious example of idiocy, imagine, the thing ~would work~ if just left the fuck alone. but smething in boot process fucks up my keys.
09:25 mp_en_viaje http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-31#1778722 << eh, major international my foot. city run by africans is run by africans is the whole story.
09:25 a111 Logged on 2018-01-31 13:06 ben_vulpes: sooo, capetown to run out of water early april http://wtkr.com/2018/01/25/in-less-than-3-months-a-major-international-city-will-likely-run-out-of-water/ and so "unwashed hair is now a sign of social responsibility"
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09:25 mp_en_viaje BingoBoingo, the problem is that there is not that bar here.
09:26 asciilifeform mp_en_viaje: brightness knob on post-2007ish lappy is not properly hardwaristic, demands os support, and only happens to work during boot because still in realmode, and biosism works
09:26 mp_en_viaje wait, is the "protected" mode how you do the useful things such as you know, rowhammer et all ?
09:27 mp_en_viaje give me back my fuckingreal mode dos.
09:27 asciilifeform ^^
09:27 mp_en_viaje i do not want this laptop to even fucking have protected mode. protect what from what ? noty, 32bit realmode for the win.
09:27 mp_en_viaje who even signed off on the "we will cease maintaining realmode" doctor's note ?
09:27 asciilifeform uh realmode is the classical 16bit segmented one
09:28 mp_en_viaje has no intrinsic reason to be 16 bit.
09:28 mp_en_viaje make a 32 bit one.
09:28 asciilifeform cuz intel dropped as a child in 1978
09:29 asciilifeform you can do similar item in amd64 mode tho, 64bits but you map it all to contiguous addr space, like terry davis did.
09:29 asciilifeform ( you do it once and then forget about the page table )
09:29 mp_en_viaje how about never mind about that and just do a 32bit realmode version, at the hardware level.
09:29 asciilifeform the terminology is specific to intel crapola
09:30 asciilifeform it has no meaning outside of it
09:30 mp_en_viaje yes i know, but what'd you have me call the refusal of post 1989 "progress" ?
09:30 asciilifeform gotta be moar specific
09:30 asciilifeform which item to throw out. i'ma guess whole mpu.
09:31 mp_en_viaje ok. you know how computers worked back in the 80s and then some pre-unicode fuckfaces came up with "protected" mode, which was "better" and "upgrade" ?
09:31 asciilifeform orig item had 0 to do with seekoority, but rather with preventing 1 buggy proggy from taking down whole box
09:32 asciilifeform ( in re 'memory protection' )
09:32 mp_en_viaje oh these are distinct ?
09:32 mp_en_viaje spare me.
09:32 mp_en_viaje i do not want ANYTHING down the protected mode tree. i want the real mode tree continued. update it for wider busses.
09:32 mp_en_viaje that's it.
09:33 mp_en_viaje i don't want the fucking bs of hey mp we notice your brightness keys do not work would you like to restart the program.
09:33 asciilifeform oh those still won't work, in shitware bios
09:33 mp_en_viaje "Due to the enhancements added by protected mode, it has become widely adopted and has become the foundation for all subsequent enhancements to the x86 architecture" << FUCKING BULLSHIT.
09:34 mp_en_viaje see ? the original pantsuitism in computers started cca 1985 or so. when they killed the main branch, in order to pretend that the pantsuit branch "has all the features"
09:34 asciilifeform y'know , bios dun have to be written by tards
09:34 mp_en_viaje all the USEFUL features could have existed in real mode branch with a minimum of effort. but they CHOSE to not do this.
09:34 mp_en_viaje so no, protected mode hasn;'t become because it offered. the pantsuit decided it must be, and therefore prevented the non-mongoloid child from offering.
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09:36 mp_en_viaje and you know, actual men tried to resist this idiocy. all through the 286 era ~nobody used unicodemode bs.
09:36 asciilifeform there isn't , on x86olade, a 'longer than 16b regs, no segmentation, but no mpu and bios calls work' mode.
09:36 mp_en_viaje then finally folded cca 85-86
09:36 asciilifeform for one thing, bios crapola typically written in classical 16b real.
09:37 mp_en_viaje there's absolutely no cause oher than historical accident that real ended at 16 bits.
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09:37 mp_en_viaje it could just as well be 64 bit .
09:38 asciilifeform it's a 'grandmother with balls', could have sane cpu defined in 100pgs of a4, with no 'modes' at all, and no segments, and no idiocy, if intel had not succeeded in killing dec alpha, say
09:38 asciilifeform intel arch was a trisomy from day1
09:38 asciilifeform and not fixable.
09:38 mp_en_viaje fucking annoying.
09:39 asciilifeform intel was the king of retardation even in the 16b era. e.g. 68k was sane
09:40 asciilifeform no segments, and easily logically 'widened' if anyone had bothered.
09:41 mp_en_viaje this whole "o no mp, but the karnel must have a special place i ncpu" bs. IF IT DOES BAKE IT.
09:41 mp_en_viaje "levels" of software, hear me wail.
09:42 asciilifeform asciilifeform has a whole www about this, lol
09:42 mp_en_viaje "but mp, our users need to run random code they have no idea about all the time" "no they don't"
09:42 mp_en_viaje "and besides, correct programs can't even be written" "so then why should they be priviledged ?" "no, see, kernel can be correct because fly eyes fly like fruit."
09:44 asciilifeform dunforget 'oh but it improves allthetime!' lul
09:45 mp_en_viaje fucking disgraceful.
09:48 mp_en_viaje and at every single fucking twist and turn, too. instead of limiting "firmware" to data, to be executed by bios or gtfo, instead let's "virtual machines" and acpi.
09:48 mp_en_viaje why the everloving fuck would i imagine the solution is for the kernel to choose from a list maintained by the fucking power button
09:48 mp_en_viaje going exactly the wrong way, its like sweeping from the road into the house.
09:49 asciilifeform whole arch was retarded, and born damaged, just about errything you see on top of it, is the top of a series of forced mistakes.
09:49 asciilifeform crapola all the way down.
09:50 mp_en_viaje what's so forced about "no, you can't run code. if you want your hardware object '''configured''' or w/e the fuck, here's the bios api, pass data into it. if you can't, fix your printer"
09:50 asciilifeform the 'fancy' firmware, for instance, that 'does things'. entirely the opposite of the 1980s 'init the iron and get the FUCK out of the way' practice.
09:50 asciilifeform !#s acpi
09:50 a111 26 results for "acpi", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=acpi
09:50 mp_en_viaje doh.
09:50 asciilifeform ^ know why acpi ? so that chip vendors can keep moarshit under nda etc.
09:50 mp_en_viaje and acpi is strictly "make sure nobody can EVER init the iron and get lost EVER, even if they try to"
09:50 asciilifeform aaha.
09:51 asciilifeform and of course 'standardized' by microshit.
09:51 asciilifeform whole arch as it exists today -- is a microshit production.
09:51 mp_en_viaje ie, "bad behaviour made mandatory" http://trilema.com/2013/digging-through-archives-yields-gold/#selection-109.0-109.416
09:51 asciilifeform exactly so.
09:52 mp_en_viaje "Government sponsored enterprises enter the business, in due course bad behavior is made mandatory, and the evil financial network is bigger than the honest financial network, with the result that even though everyone knows what is happening, people continue to use the paper issued by the evil financial network, because of network effects - the big, main issuers, are the issuers you use if you want to do business." << j. a. donald
09:52 mp_en_viaje asciilifeform, iirc toshiba also participated.
09:52 asciilifeform buncha bootlicks, participated.
09:52 asciilifeform ( pretty much errybody who was in the pc iron business , and wanted to stay in it )
09:58 mp_en_viaje http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-31#1778736 << o wow.
09:58 a111 Logged on 2018-01-31 13:51 ave1: or else allowed_html will be null and all tags are filtered away
09:58 asciilifeform selected gems : http://btcbase.org/log/2014-07-22#764319 , http://btcbase.org/log/2015-05-26#1145947 , http://btcbase.org/log/2016-01-17#1374233 , http://btcbase.org/log/2016-10-31#1560926 .
09:58 a111 Logged on 2014-07-22 20:06 Mats_cd03: and, there is an ACPI table exclusively for telling Windows not to apply fixes for buggy hardware because its in a VM, and VMM emulation of the hardware doesn't include said bugs.
09:58 a111 Logged on 2015-05-26 23:42 mats: fun fact: there is a particular ACPI table in that you can put anywhere in a low range of memory during boot, and Windows will take the payload data, drop it as an EXE, and run it as SYSTEM.
09:58 a111 Logged on 2016-01-17 06:23 phf: but you're not supposed to touch those files directly, oh no, they are undocumented and what are you some kind of terrorist. instead there's 20 incompatible power/suspend/battery/sensor/fans/specialkeys control daemons in various states of disarray. "oh, if your fans don't kick in you want termald, or try batterd, which works with new lzmi acpi functions."
09:58 a111 Logged on 2016-10-31 19:14 asciilifeform: e.g., i still have not forgiven, and do not intend to forgive, the acpi 'soft' power supply switch.
09:58 mp_en_viaje nice work findingthat ave1
10:01 mp_en_viaje asciilifeform, tis a sad state of affairs. this item in my hands is, in a physical sense, quite fine. but then there's this intervening bullshit. literally like kid with autism/depression/anxiety/whatever the fuck. it would work fine if it just weren't born to ustards in ustardia.
10:02 mp_en_viaje ave1, would you consider gutting that entire class as a patch ? i have nfi why a "kses" bs is even needed. seems a case of giraffe's jugular.
10:03 mp_en_viaje instead config could populate allowed_html directly and be done with the pretense.
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10:58 asciilifeform re acpi as instrument of microshitization, observe how ( e.g. https://lwn.net/Articles/574439 ) it is being put in arm boxes, where 0 intel legacycrapola, and spearheaded by... redhat ( the designated microshit for 'linux' )
10:59 asciilifeform 'everything has already been decided in NDA-protected conference rooms' etc
11:06 asciilifeform or, for instance, take the rathead-microshit Official answer to the http://btcbase.org/log/2017-03-23#1631805 problem : 'device trees' ( https://lwn.net/Articles/560523 and elsewhere. ) essentially same thing as the traditional microshit 'control panel' , but... biosized
11:06 a111 Logged on 2017-03-23 16:31 asciilifeform: the sad thing re the iron , is that 'determine if installed, and if so, where on the bus' is often 80% of the driver !
11:07 asciilifeform and could even say 'if it worked, would be merely ugly' but of course just like other microshitisms it never fully works, and is eternal fountain of 'moar studies needed', 'buy the upgrade', 'your iron is obsolete' etc
11:08 asciilifeform if any part of the edifice ever shows any symptom of fully working, they re-fuck it.
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11:08 asciilifeform ( granted , this has not happened in a while. the last major bout was perhaps the boot process itself, which was foolproof on classical pc arch up to late '90s, and then they 'had to' introduce acpiism, 'secure boot', abolition of the mbr, etc )
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11:33 asciilifeform !~ticker --market all
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11:42 phf http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-31#1778747 << bios patched, but i haven't tried kernel conf, i'm running freebsd on it.
11:42 a111 Logged on 2018-01-31 14:01 asciilifeform: ( i posted even a patched, with own hand , bios for it, iirc phf uses ; and a kernel conf )
11:42 asciilifeform aa neato
11:43 phf freebsd is hilariously nerfed. you can see the butcher cut the pantsuits leave right through the middle of everything
11:43 * asciilifeform not much interested in post-clangization freebsd; and currently dun have the time, energy to archaeologically unearth a working-on-recent-iron vintage
11:44 asciilifeform phf: did it ever get a working /dev/random back ?
11:44 asciilifeform and out of curiosity, what else got butchered ?
11:45 phf well, i like to take potshots at shitty systems as much as the next lord, but the publicized dev/random issue was there briefly and has officially been patched. i've not attempted to dive into dev/random though
11:45 asciilifeform was more symptom than disease
11:45 phf right
11:46 asciilifeform but phf did mention 'butcher cut', i'm curious what the obvious wtfs were
11:47 phf well, it's subtle things, here's an example. the kernel vty used to be syscons for years, replaced by "newcons", standard for a couple of releases now
11:48 phf newcons is "unicode support" "double-width" "bigger font maps". guess what's not there? ~literally everything else that syscons~ supported
11:48 asciilifeform ahahahahahaha
11:48 asciilifeform lemme guess, is 'wayland' also on the conveyor.
11:48 phf https://wiki.freebsd.org/Newcons
11:48 asciilifeform and is there a systemd on freebsd yet
11:48 phf "encodings other than ascii/utf-8" "no"
11:49 asciilifeform lol not even vga term support anymoar
11:49 phf etc. but the most pantsuit aspect of this situation? the infamous well written freebsd documentation is not up to date to any of these new improvements.
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11:51 asciilifeform 'Pre-loading i915kms.ko/radeonkms.ko disables video output from the point of time these video drivers are attached until interrupt threads are enabled way later. This makes kernel panics during boot undebugable.' << ahahahahaha
11:51 phf all the userlevel tools that syscons used? nope, entirely new set of tools for doing pretty much anything, ~with a completely different argument list~
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11:51 asciilifeform can get back the old terms ? or not ?
11:52 phf yeah, can get for now, but X doesn't magically start, so i need to figure out what's going on there. probably requires hand written xorg.conf
11:52 asciilifeform i dun think i've ever sat on a working box with anything other than hand-sewn xorg.conf
11:53 phf i don't really want to waste much time tweaking the confs, so most things don't really work for now. i have audio and wifi, but suspend dosn't work, nor does the nifty touch screen, etc.
11:53 asciilifeform waitasec , touch screen ?
11:53 phf err, wacom
11:53 asciilifeform i had nfi there was a x60 with wacom
11:53 asciilifeform x61 ( the kind i gave to g_l ) -- yes, had it
11:54 asciilifeform but it also was entirely diff chipset, and wouldn't possibly eat my bios
11:54 asciilifeform what box is this, exactly, phf ?
11:54 phf x60, says so on the label
11:55 asciilifeform but the screen folds back, and it has pen ?
11:55 phf yes
11:55 asciilifeform interesting.
11:55 doppler there were tablet versions of both the x60 and x61
11:56 asciilifeform hm, 'x60t' apparently.
11:56 * asciilifeform had nfi.
11:56 doppler that's the nickname, yeah
11:57 * asciilifeform has the ordinary, 2-hinged x60.
11:58 phf half the packaged in ports say that "there might be bugs since package is lacking maintainer", and we're talking shit like firefox, fvwm, etc.
11:58 phf likewise a lot of them pull gcc for build, lots of complaints about "llvm broke N" when you search for anything
11:58 asciilifeform sounds like sad ghost town
11:59 mod6 The Foundation has emplaced shinohai's seal for trb's 'genesis.vpatch' in the foundation repository @ http://thebitcoin.foundation. Thanks shinohai!
12:00 asciilifeform oh hey mod6
12:00 shinohai o7 mod6 ty
12:00 asciilifeform phf: thus far sounds about as much fun as a winblowz vista box
12:00 mod6 yw shinohai
12:00 mod6 hai phf, asciilifeform
12:00 mod6 how goes?
12:01 asciilifeform phf: err, strike that, suspend mode worked on vista!11
12:02 phf eh, i haven't found anything that worked better or worse. everywhere i have to carve a haven, but put it on top of quicksand
12:03 asciilifeform fwiw my gentoo recipe was written when i was preparing x60
12:03 asciilifeform it runs ( the only www browsers are lynx and an elderly ff , however )
12:03 asciilifeform but e.g. emacs, gnat, irc, etc run
12:03 phf sure, but the amount of time you spent on gentoo recipe/kernel config, replicated on freebsd would possibly produce similar results. emacs, gnat, irc, etc runs.
12:03 asciilifeform suspendmode worx
12:04 asciilifeform xconfig took 5min
12:04 asciilifeform mouse worx, audio even worx..
12:04 asciilifeform the 1 item that left a bitter taste was the battery, they're dead after about 6mo from unpacking. but gentoo is not to blame for this
12:05 asciilifeform ( and at this point i think i've tried every battery vendor known to make these )
12:06 asciilifeform the box ate ssd without complaint, even.
12:06 asciilifeform the 1 truly frustrating item is the lcd crystal, is atrocious 1990s-style tft. but what can be done.
12:07 phf gentoo have left a bad taste in my mouth long time ago. i was running it for about a year since first release, and i was even really into python back then!
12:08 asciilifeform i was able to , e.g., emerge emacs and not suddenly see dbus appear. there isn't much moar that i even want from gentoo/portage.
12:09 asciilifeform ( notably this proved impossible , without complete manual control over ~everything~, under openbsd. as per old thread. )
12:10 asciilifeform fwiw all of asciilifeform's current workhorse boxen are one or another variant of heavily-medicated gentoo, rather than anyffingelse
12:11 asciilifeform it is still afaik the healthiest horse in the glue factory.
12:13 asciilifeform even dulap-III, heavy opteron box sitting on my desk and awaiting shipment to BingoBoingoistan, is a gentoo box.
12:13 phf yes, that would be the meaning of "all of"
12:13 asciilifeform ( and took maybe a week to produce, starting from empty disks )
12:14 mp_en_viaje motherfucker
12:14 mp_en_viaje i fucking hate this town
12:14 mp_en_viaje utter fucking shithole omfg
12:14 asciilifeform lemme guess, finally met motorcyclists, and their uzis were plastic toys ?
12:15 mod6 :D
12:17 mp_en_viaje http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-31#1778884 << because the people doing it prolly puked and left.
12:17 a111 Logged on 2018-01-31 16:49 phf: etc. but the most pantsuit aspect of this situation? the infamous well written freebsd documentation is not up to date to any of these new improvements.
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12:18 mp_en_viaje asciilifeform, 100% all the inept argentinian idiocies. "oh, you can't have that item from menu, it's not its hours yet" "bitch, say what ?" "we only sell things when WE feel like selling them, fu. welcome to bogota"
12:18 mp_en_viaje 100% serviceless economy, consisting of a bunch of dorks trying to look like the pictures in the decade old magazines from europe they got.
12:19 asciilifeform 'ooh you thought this was a restaurant, not a sov factory cafeteria? funny'
12:19 mp_en_viaje argentina does old italian mags and these idiots old spanish mags, but that's all the difference,
12:19 mp_en_viaje they're not DOING anything ; just trying to LOOK A CERTAIN WAY, with a minimum of expenditure.
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12:20 mp_en_viaje "got waffle and crepes joint ? " o ya, just like in madrid!" "but is it not open before noon ?" "of course not! just like in..." "...retardistan ? who the fuck eats crepes at any other time!"
12:20 asciilifeform hey, capitalism!11, 'if you can convince eaters to eat sawdust, you MUST', etc
12:20 mp_en_viaje eat my foot. an hour going about in the cab is $5
12:21 mp_en_viaje but n ocab with ac. in fact, no cab with passenger armrest. buncha entry level hyyndai hatchbacks
12:21 mp_en_viaje anyways
12:21 asciilifeform why wouldja want to sit in a cab for hour?! to go to brazil??
12:21 asciilifeform incidentally in what country are there cabs with back seat passenger arm rest ?
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12:22 asciilifeform ( limos, possibly ? but cabs?! )
12:26 mp_en_viaje everywhere else wtf.
12:26 mp_en_viaje i didn;t even know they still made cars without, why the everloving would you
12:27 mp_en_viaje asciilifeform, bogota is like, larger than delaware, you understand.
12:27 asciilifeform or hm didja mean the thing attached to the inside of door
12:28 asciilifeform mp_en_viaje: right, ~same as nyc
12:28 mp_en_viaje yes i meant.
12:28 asciilifeform aa.
12:28 asciilifeform dunno that i've ever even been in a car without those, then
12:28 mp_en_viaje so you don't sit there like miss xue yue in the chicken coop.
12:29 asciilifeform what was that
12:29 mp_en_viaje you know, sometimes they take the milkmaid for a ride in the back of the little milk truck on three wheeks
12:29 mp_en_viaje wheels*
12:30 mp_en_viaje anyway, it's actually 2x ny area.
12:31 mp_en_viaje 1600 sqkm or some shit.
12:31 trinque a lot of them have the middle one too, folds out of back seat
12:31 mp_en_viaje right.
12:32 asciilifeform incidentally is this one of those classical turdworld paradises with donkeys in the streets, cabs made from old nazi motorcycle, etc ?
12:32 asciilifeform or only proper autos
12:33 mp_en_viaje nope. 100% imports. let me reiterate : they do not DO anything.
12:33 mp_en_viaje anything at all.
12:33 mp_en_viaje all day long 100% all effort spent trying to ~look a certain way~.
12:33 asciilifeform loox like another chinese victory then. like buenosaires.
12:33 mp_en_viaje i dunno what the chinese are to blame for.
12:33 asciilifeform same thing as the enablers of BingoBoingo's 'fupas'
12:34 mp_en_viaje this is the result of decolonialization. left cape town in the hands of subhuman locals, no more water
12:34 mp_en_viaje left bogota in hands of inferior native stock, it shows.
12:34 asciilifeform did the thing ever have a civilized colonial past ? or was always shithole ?
12:34 mp_en_viaje "forced mistake, mp, spanish women starting spawning betwetters named arthur blair, wha tcan you do" "mmkay"
12:35 mp_en_viaje had great past. was as cool as cuba.
12:35 * asciilifeform had nfi
12:35 mp_en_viaje yup.
12:36 asciilifeform sorta why i wonder re places like astana. where colonial past is not so long gone, corpse still warm
12:37 mp_en_viaje if they're not being actively oppressed, and i mean with pillories and whole village rapes, the temperature of the corpse dun matter.
12:38 mp_en_viaje http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-31#1778886 << this sounds so exactly in uniform...
12:38 a111 Logged on 2018-01-31 16:51 phf: all the userlevel tools that syscons used? nope, entirely new set of tools for doing pretty much anything, ~with a completely different argument list~
~ 2 hours 18 minutes ~
14:56 phf https://pineapplefund.org/ << "The organization was started in December by an anonymous donor who goes by the nickname Pine and claims to be among the 250 largest holders of Bitcoin in the world. The fund aims to give away $86 million worth of Bitcoin, and has already given $20 million worth of the currency to 13 organizations, including...
14:56 asciilifeform lol waterfall dun even bother with seekricy anymoar
14:58 asciilifeform http://www.openbsdfoundation.org/contributors.html << aaaaand openbsd ~immediately~ listed 'pineapple fund'. and guess who not listed at all, to this day.
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14:59 phf terrorists?
14:59 asciilifeform aaha.
14:59 trinque "because once you have enough money, money doesn't matter"
15:00 trinque the final stage of all human development is saintly socialism, srsly
15:00 phf well, it's 2017 equivalent of "buying pizza"
15:01 asciilifeform industrial-grade waterfall and usg catemite meritwash in 1 package, who could want moar.
15:01 asciilifeform *catamite
15:03 asciilifeform !~ticker --market all
15:03 jhvh1 asciilifeform: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 9954.42, vol: 14739.97500003 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 10039.0, vol: 48526.51074645 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 9929.0, vol: 10312.36985 | Volume-weighted last average: 10006.6392389
15:11 mod6 !~tslnb
15:11 jhvh1 mod6: Error: "tslnb" is not a valid command.
15:11 mod6 !~tslb
15:11 jhvh1 mod6: Time since last block: 8 minutes and 3 seconds
15:12 * trinque got a txn out last night with 0.00038 fee
15:12 trinque seems apparent that had the block size thing gone the other way, there'd be dead mining operations all around
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15:13 mod6 perhaps, ya.
15:14 mod6 my node has been caught up for >24 hours.
15:14 mod6 loooking good
~ 22 minutes ~
15:37 mp_en_viaje http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-31#1778994 << hey, at least we know how we're standing.
15:37 a111 Logged on 2018-01-31 19:58 asciilifeform: http://www.openbsdfoundation.org/contributors.html << aaaaand openbsd ~immediately~ listed 'pineapple fund'. and guess who not listed at all, to this day.
15:39 mp_en_viaje http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-31#1779009 <<< and guess what "srs business" with "expertise" and whatnot forgot to send kakobrekla and the rest to thank me for saving their dumbass despite themselves.
15:39 a111 Logged on 2018-01-31 20:12 trinque: seems apparent that had the block size thing gone the other way, there'd be dead mining operations all around
15:39 mp_en_viaje and so following.
15:40 trinque the ass-kissing line would be too long by now; ain't nobody got time for that
15:40 mp_en_viaje the problem with imbeciles is exactly the problem of bogota, buenos aires, whatever : they don't actually want to do any specific thing. they just want to look a certain way.
15:40 mp_en_viaje so all these discussions of causes and how things work and etc, it's so much mathwank. bimbo got her antenna tuned to different gucciquencies.
15:41 mp_en_viaje which are like frequencies except better, because frequencies priviledge the speed of light rather than other speeds much more important to us. like the speed of gucci.
15:41 asciilifeform imho there is elementarily not enuff bleeding happening.
15:42 mp_en_viaje i am satisfied that we're not discussing intellects capable of realising when they're being bled.
15:42 asciilifeform all kindsa nonsense that oughta have been painfully lethal -- still unpunished.
15:42 mp_en_viaje but anyway, bbl.
15:42 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2015-12-20#1348086 << see also.
15:42 a111 Logged on 2015-12-20 00:13 asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-12-2015#1348050 << you know what's great? rat poison STILL WORKS even if you don't explain to the rats exactly ~how~ !
15:43 * asciilifeform also bbl, teatime.
~ 44 minutes ~
16:27 asciilifeform in other lamers, https://archive.is/g7CB5 >> 'Lenovo Fingerprint Manager Pro, which is typically installed on ThinkPad, ThinkCentre, and ThinkStation models...' has hardcoded pw. etc
16:31 mod6 lol
~ 53 minutes ~
17:25 ben_vulpes lol aw, wish i'd seen that
~ 38 minutes ~
18:04 asciilifeform bother_bvulpes (2df897f7@gateway/web/freenode/ip.45.248.151.247) has joined #trilema << lolwat
18:04 ben_vulpes link from the tranny pieces
18:04 asciilifeform waiwat
18:05 asciilifeform where was this
18:06 ben_vulpes or hm i guess the nick i picked was bv_is_a_scammer
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18:06 ben_vulpes https://kiwiirc.com/nextclient/#irc://irc.freenode.net/#trilema?&nick=bv_is_a_scammer
18:07 ben_vulpes mysterious mysteries!
18:15 asciilifeform ben_vulpes: still enjoying attention from your 'new friend' ?
18:15 ben_vulpes not enjoying in the slightest no, thank you for asking
18:16 ben_vulpes mildly amused, but that's about the extent of it.
~ 20 minutes ~
18:37 ben_vulpes aha but now with the further attempts to get into various fiatistan saas providers
18:37 asciilifeform ben_vulpes: sounds like fodder for hilarious bl0gps0t neh
18:37 asciilifeform write it ?
18:38 ben_vulpes yeah maybe, but the lols are accruing so very slowly
~ 28 minutes ~
19:06 asciilifeform in other noose, asciilifeform recently looked at 'lighthttpd', after it came up in the log. astonishing tanker of liquishit.
19:10 mod6 lol 'tanker'
19:12 asciilifeform just like apache, nginx, etc. it has the microshit-quality : you can throw darts all day long and hit only things that really don't need to be there for anything sane people are likely to do with http
19:19 trinque nginx went the venture capital route at some point, gotta justify the rounds
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19:21 asciilifeform in this particular case it wouldn't even matter if it were run by honest folx
19:21 asciilifeform the very notion of 'production http server' that exists now, is retarded, in its baked-in conceptual support for warcrimes like ssl
19:21 asciilifeform this 'modularity' generates considerable complexity even if unused
19:22 asciilifeform ( this is entirely separate from the fact that all 'industrial' http servers existing nao are in megatonne of c liquishit, language with nothing resembling sane string handling )
19:29 asciilifeform ohai BingoBoingo
19:30 BingoBoingo Hello, machines screwed in. Need to return in the morning to figure out what stupid mistake I made configuring the switch/router. Long night of reading sample configs ahead.
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19:33 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: what exactly do the digs look like ? cage with own door ? or just rack ? or how
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19:34 BingoBoingo rack with locking door and badass mesh barrier. Like a birdcage for hannibal lecter
19:35 asciilifeform mesh where ? the back side ?
19:36 BingoBoingo front and back. sides are solid
19:36 asciilifeform aa
19:37 BingoBoingo Shit has to breathe
19:37 asciilifeform normally this is done with vertical chimney
19:37 mod6 sounds decent BingoBoingo
19:38 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: are you able to distinguish 'misconfiged router' from 'dead pipe' , say ?
19:38 BingoBoingo asciilifeform: Gotta remember this is in the basement of the basement
19:38 BingoBoingo By plugging Qntra directly into the pipe
19:38 asciilifeform aa
19:39 mod6 Lords and Ladies of The Most Serene Republic, The Bitcoin Foundation presents The State of Bitcoin Addresshttp://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2018-February/000288.html
19:39 mod6 ugh
19:39 mod6 http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2018-February/000288.html
19:40 asciilifeform oh hey
19:40 asciilifeform nuffin in there about ben_vulpes's test of the sync sanity patch
19:41 asciilifeform i can only suppose he dun have a verdict yet...
19:41 asciilifeform ( for that matter, ben_vulpes's own logical extension of same patch , ditto )
19:42 mod6 Good question, not yet.
19:43 mod6 When we have something solid, we'll make mention of it for sure. :]
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20:08 asciilifeform in other olds, http://prog21.dadgum.com/116.html >> 'Things That Turbo Pascal is Smaller Than'
20:11 asciilifeform e.g. 'The image of the white iPhone 4S at apple.com (190,157 bytes)' 'The touch command under OS X Lion (44,016 bytes).'
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