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00:00 ReadErr https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/kuPF3HQI/droner.png
00:00 ReadErr i do cnc/solidworks stuff
00:00 ReadErr https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/nW1SHX6r/mntboard.png
00:00 ReadErr https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/aJLgNmk0/trollien.png
00:00 ReadErr https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/c2mlzlsd/sperky2.png
00:00 ReadErr https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/LPfTFUzY/powar.png
00:01 ReadErr https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/9JTkWqy2/fc.png
00:01 trinque impressive ReadErr
00:01 ReadErr ty
00:01 mircea_popescu ReadErr the bot autoarchives links, btw.
00:01 ReadErr its mostly just for fun
00:01 ReadErr its all good
00:02 ReadErr i just like to do things myself, like electronics stuff, its cheaper from china
00:02 ReadErr but when i do my own, i can make it how i want
00:03 ReadErr rather than depending on someone else to
00:06 mircea_popescu quite.
00:07 ReadErr https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/r71CYbzq/wings.png
00:07 ReadErr https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/e6nX6oIj/IMG_1410.JPG
00:08 trinque !!up ReadErr
00:08 deedbot ReadErr voiced for 30 minutes.
00:08 mircea_popescu ReadErr say "!!up" to deedbot in a pm ; then !!v
00:08 ReadErr danielpbarron: did you do that pcb?
00:08 ReadErr !!up
00:09 ReadErr oh in pm
00:09 deedbot Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/iqjzg/?raw=true
00:09 trinque here works now that you've done it
00:09 mircea_popescu nah, asciilifeform did ; the whole thing's in a v tree
00:09 mircea_popescu ReadErr http://btcbase.org/patches?patchset=fg&search=
00:10 ReadErr looks like a arduino
00:10 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-03#1762753 << >> https://archive.is/CGQkR
00:10 a111 Logged on 2018-01-03 04:56 mircea_popescu would link fg, if there was a page ;/
00:10 danielpbarron ReadErr, i bought them from No Such lAbs
00:10 ReadErr whats under the shields ?
00:10 danielpbarron i bought out the entire first run
00:11 ben_vulpes ReadErr: what are those pcbs?
00:11 asciilifeform ReadErr: see the archive link, has photo
00:11 danielpbarron i've been sending out any non prime numbered units
00:11 ReadErr ben_vulpes: few flight controllers
00:12 ben_vulpes fixed and quad it looked like from the photos?
00:12 ReadErr heres something i did kinda recently...
00:12 ReadErr ya
00:13 ben_vulpes that skateboard looks like a ripping good time
00:14 ben_vulpes schematics for the fixedwing flight controller anywhere?
00:14 ReadErr https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/2vJ1E2z0/IMG_1556.JPG
00:14 ReadErr https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/R7TBtCoo/IMG_1557.JPG
00:14 ReadErr a magnet goes on the back
00:15 ReadErr and a piece of wire + magnet on wraps around it
00:15 ReadErr and it will charge a 1s batt but also provide 5v output from 1 battery
00:15 ReadErr and fits in a pouch on keychain
00:15 ben_vulpes useful!
00:15 ReadErr not really lol
00:15 ReadErr but i made it for fun
00:15 ben_vulpes well for tiny usb thingers
00:16 ReadErr ben_vulpes: ya i got some stuff up FC wise
00:16 ReadErr https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/XNww4Ray/finger4scale.png
00:16 ben_vulpes header forest lol
00:17 ReadErr https://github.com/Brotronics/LulfroMini
00:18 ReadErr https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/Qvj0lDgo/lulfro1.png
00:18 ReadErr https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/Ew0sWEcK/lulfro2.png
00:18 ReadErr so timecop did the white one
00:18 ReadErr but the pinout was kinda shit
00:18 ReadErr so i just did mine to piss him off and make it more usable, but did it smaller w/ more stuff
00:21 ben_vulpes heh neat, so how do you use one of these fcs?
00:21 ReadErr well, thats pretty flexible
00:22 ReadErr theres a few codesbases depending on what you are trying to do
00:22 ReadErr some are focused more on racing/performance
00:22 ReadErr others autonomy, like gps navigation
00:22 ReadErr but they are typically stm32
00:22 ReadErr (ARM)
00:22 ben_vulpes gotta wire IMUs etc to it or is that all on the pcb?
00:22 ReadErr its all on the pcb
00:23 ReadErr btw
00:23 ReadErr any recommendations for a photohost?
00:23 ReadErr i dropped smugmug since they pissed me off
00:23 ben_vulpes run a server, set up apache?
00:23 ReadErr and dont have most of my stuff uploaded
00:23 ben_vulpes costs like 5 bucks per month
00:23 ReadErr ya i was trying to avoid the self hosted route
00:23 ReadErr i have a bunch of vps
00:23 ben_vulpes word
00:23 danielpbarron ReadErr, feel free to provide a service :D
00:23 mircea_popescu buy a box.
00:23 ReadErr but its more so I want them somewhere just incase
00:24 ReadErr i dont know which gallery to run though
00:24 danielpbarron i'd rather pay you than use imgur
00:24 ReadErr software wise
00:24 mircea_popescu !#s mp-wp
00:24 a111 96 results for "mp-wp", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=mp-wp
00:24 ReadErr smugmug was nice but
00:24 ReadErr they changed how they did photolinks
00:24 ben_vulpes sounds like you want a holistic personal backup strategy, really gotta go bolting shit to the side with galleries as well?
00:24 ReadErr so it replaced all the urls with smugmug rather than my domain
00:25 ben_vulpes dude it's just going to keep happening. sv baitnswitch.
00:25 ReadErr ben_vulpes: nah i just need something with a good mobile app though too
00:25 ben_vulpes what why
00:25 ReadErr since getting them from phone -> web is a pain through a browser
00:25 danielpbarron step 1) get the user base. step 2) ??? step 3) fuck it, change everything maybe we get moneyz
00:25 ReadErr smugmug had a great mobile app
00:25 ReadErr which is why i originally used them
00:26 ReadErr but they quit dev on it, stopped working with new phone updates
00:26 ben_vulpes ReadErr: has an iphone with the soldered in storage probably, cannot pull sd card?
00:26 ReadErr lol
00:26 ReadErr nah but theres something to be said about just tapping the screen twice
00:26 ben_vulpes shake it hard it may come out, i hear the rohs crap is crap
00:26 ReadErr and having it upload to a specific folder
00:27 ReadErr rohs is crap
00:27 ReadErr <-- all leaded
00:27 ben_vulpes regulation is crap.
00:27 ben_vulpes ReadErr: where do you get properly leaded solder?
00:27 ReadErr amazon,
00:27 ReadErr i use kester noclean
00:27 ben_vulpes that easy, huh?
00:27 ben_vulpes solved child enslavement and leaded solder equally well teh pantsuits
00:27 mircea_popescu heh, apparently everyone hates nonleaded
00:28 ReadErr https://www.amazon.com/Kester-No-Clean-Flux-Core-Solder/dp/B004X4KSZQ
00:28 ReadErr this series
00:28 ReadErr but a lot of smt stuff i do with paste
00:29 ReadErr mircea_popescu: is mp-wp some wordpress ?
00:29 ben_vulpes ReadErr: how much of a hassle is it to throw waypoints or actuator setpoints at one of those fcs of yours while its flying?
00:30 danielpbarron ReadErr, i can send it to you. i got it from shinohai
00:30 ReadErr ben_vulpes: well, with a tablet its quite easy
00:30 danielpbarron ReadErr, it's the wordpress that runs trilema.com
00:30 ben_vulpes oya? wifi stuff?
00:30 ReadErr ahh i see
00:30 ReadErr ben_vulpes: not wifi typically
00:30 danielpbarron a preserved in amber old version of wordpress
00:30 ReadErr its a noisy spectrum
00:30 ben_vulpes how dyou get setpoints from table to fc then
00:30 ReadErr a lot of guys in america use 433 or 915mhz
00:31 ReadErr packet radio
00:31 ReadErr here 1sec
00:31 asciilifeform lol garage remote spectrum
00:31 asciilifeform fulla liquishit
00:33 mircea_popescu ReadErr yeah ; it's what i use for interfacing all my hosting needs.
00:33 mircea_popescu finetuned to perfection.
00:34 ReadErr https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/UOKmFuKE/banknwank.png
00:35 ReadErr that i just did to go full blow HIV
00:35 ReadErr and put a bunch of stuff on it
00:36 ReadErr https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/xfty3Y2Q/tx.png
00:36 ben_vulpes hiv?
00:37 ReadErr https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/H0eklgO2/dataradio.png
00:37 ReadErr those there a specifically for serial data
00:38 ben_vulpes !!reputation ReadErr
00:38 asciilifeform ReadErr: why the prefab rf modules ? why not make whole thing ?
00:38 deedbot http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/rW7n7/?raw=true
00:39 asciilifeform !!up ReadErr
00:39 deedbot ReadErr voiced for 30 minutes.
00:39 ReadErr https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/SKxLkae2/smallest.png
00:39 ReadErr this one lol
00:39 ReadErr some guy got into a pissing contest saying he had the smallest UHF receiver
00:39 ben_vulpes ReadErr: what does 'HIV' stand for?
00:39 ReadErr so i just did that to be spiteful
00:40 ReadErr human immunodeficiency virus
00:40 ReadErr i was kidding it doesnt have HIV
00:40 ReadErr but 'full blown aids' is like a expression people use for everything but the kitchen sink
00:40 ben_vulpes new one on me
00:40 ReadErr atleast in certain circles
00:41 ben_vulpes subject of circles where does this timecop feller and this otherguy with the uhf dick swinging habit all hang out?
00:42 ReadErr well timecop is kinda out of the scene now, the other guy was just a random on a forum
00:42 ReadErr but he wasnt releasing his source
00:42 ReadErr and it was part of an opensource project i was involved in
00:42 ReadErr so i did this one in a few hrs and put it on github
00:42 ReadErr so ppl had an option if they wanted to make it or not
00:46 ben_vulpes so whatcha working on now?
00:49 ReadErr reworking some stuff for a DIY oxygen concentrator
00:49 ReadErr for running torches
00:50 ReadErr glass and whatnot
00:51 ReadErr its kind of an odd area of the law, since they are sold as medical devices
00:51 ReadErr its grey buying 2nd hand units
00:52 ReadErr but this one has a higher output than several of the medical ones combined and costed much less
00:53 asciilifeform from where didja get the zeolite, ReadErr ?
00:53 ReadErr 1sec lemme find the invoice
00:53 ReadErr i got a ton though lol
00:55 ReadErr Products Model Price Total
00:55 ReadErr 1 x 5A 8X12 Molecular Sieve Desiccant - 25 LB Box MS5A81225 $99.25 $99.25
00:55 ReadErr Sub-Total: $99.25
00:55 ReadErr UPS Ground : $20.85
00:55 ReadErr Tax: $0.00
00:55 ReadErr Total: $120.10
00:55 ReadErr https://www.deltaadsorbents.com/molecular-sieve
00:56 ReadErr so much cheaper when you buy 25#
01:00 ReadErr asciilifeform: you have some concentrators ?
01:07 ReadErr asciilifeform: just noticed re: modules
01:07 ReadErr its mostly an ease thing
01:08 ReadErr and they are so cheap (5$) from china
01:08 ReadErr all the matching stuff ends up being quite a bit of extra parts
01:17 mircea_popescu wd.
01:17 ReadErr 1:09 AM <ReadErr> TI has some cortex/RF SoC for those ranges
01:17 ReadErr 1:09 AM <ReadErr> if i went that route i would just try one of theirs
01:17 ReadErr didnt notice the unvoice
01:17 mircea_popescu ReadErr the channel is logged, see eg http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-03#1762950
01:17 a111 Logged on 2018-01-03 06:17 ReadErr: didnt notice the unvoice
01:17 ReadErr so now that im authenticated it wont -v ?
01:17 mircea_popescu there's no need to worry anyone misses anything you say
01:17 mircea_popescu and yes, now it won't -v
01:17 ReadErr nice good deal
01:18 ReadErr so is this stuff decentralized as well?
01:18 ReadErr or does it all hinge on deedbot
01:18 danielpbarron the log is hosted in at least 3 places, but decentralized is a sort of USG buzzword bullshit
01:18 mircea_popescu yes, for instance http://logs.bvulpes.com/trilema?d=2018-1-3#274054
01:19 ReadErr multi-homed ?
01:19 trinque rendunderant
01:19 danielpbarron that's a better term, sure
01:19 ReadErr so like master/slave dbs
01:19 trinque just multiple bots present logging.
01:19 ReadErr gotcha
01:19 ReadErr just quiet ones
01:20 mircea_popescu http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20180103/#316 etc
01:20 scriba Logged on 2018-01-03: [06:19:00] <mircea_popescu> yes, for instance http://logs.bvulpes.com/trilema?d=2018-1-3#274054
01:20 ReadErr so question
01:20 ReadErr if theres a netsplit
01:20 ReadErr hows that work in terms of missing pieces
01:20 mircea_popescu ReadErr actually there's all sorts of functionality implemented, see http://www.contravex.com/trilema-bots-directory/ for the list
01:21 mircea_popescu ReadErr if there;s a netsplit every bot sees its shard ; generally discussion stops tho.
01:21 mircea_popescu if you read the logs, you'll see there's a lot of important stuff in there.
01:21 danielpbarron like the intel shit that's blowing up
01:21 mircea_popescu anyway, you can make one too, if you want, it's not that hard.
01:22 mircea_popescu take http://trinque.org/tag/ircbot/ and run with it.
01:23 ReadErr ahh cool off ircbot
01:23 mircea_popescu afaik this is new.
01:24 ReadErr ive been wanting a reason to mess with https://github.com/irccloud/irccat
01:24 trinque it is.
01:24 trinque danielpbarron: how'd that cuntoo build go
01:24 mircea_popescu ah, that's a different item.
01:24 ReadErr the idea of being able to echo outputs of stuff into iirc
01:24 ReadErr irc*
01:24 ReadErr makes quick stuff really easy
01:24 mircea_popescu ReadErr that's the idea. ircbot is in lips ; if you dont' grok that there's also supybot which iirc is python
01:24 mircea_popescu and maybe others.
01:24 ReadErr its pretty light footprint wise
01:25 danielpbarron trinque, it finished but my rapid enter hitting caused it to default the user creation part, and i've yet to chroot back in to fix it
01:25 ReadErr i run a supybot on efnet mostly for twitter crap
01:25 mircea_popescu aha
01:25 ReadErr its easier to see the stuff in a channel
01:25 ReadErr than twitter.com
01:25 trinque danielpbarron: lol, classic "next" mashing.
01:26 trinque I should've put one of those fancy web toolbars in there.
01:26 mircea_popescu pretty much everything is easier/better if you take the silicon valley idiots out of the loop
01:26 danielpbarron i looks like it'll work tho, nice job
01:26 ReadErr what I *really* want
01:26 ReadErr is a irc twitter gateway kinda thing
01:26 trinque danielpbarron: ty; if you made it to user creation you were done with the build
01:26 ReadErr you connect to a znc or some server proxy
01:26 mircea_popescu ReadErr how'd that work ?
01:26 ReadErr and each @user has a pm
01:27 ReadErr and channels would represent hashtags
01:27 trinque made it past lilo and all that.
01:27 danielpbarron the power at my house coincidentally went out on new years day and i'm still recovering from dancing
01:27 mircea_popescu ah like a twitter bridge ? very likely get banned.
01:27 ReadErr so you can add it to your client
01:27 ReadErr and view 1 users tweets in order
01:27 ReadErr reply
01:27 ReadErr etc
01:27 ReadErr yea API is kinda limited free tier
01:27 mircea_popescu twitter isn't likely going to support this.
01:28 ReadErr they will
01:28 danielpbarron twitter is absolutely fucked
01:28 ReadErr they just want $
01:28 ReadErr for the extra api calls
01:28 danielpbarron that's not even the problem
01:28 danielpbarron they are trying to be facebook
01:28 ReadErr twitter culture is dumb
01:28 ReadErr but the few places i follow
01:28 ReadErr its easiest to get quick news
01:28 ReadErr and whatnot
01:29 danielpbarron it used to work well, when i could reply to "celebrities" and have my reply get top billing
01:29 ReadErr ohh crap check this out
01:29 ReadErr https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/HLKXlIMY/bahahahatrump.png slightly nsfw maybe
01:30 ReadErr those 1st reply bots
01:30 mircea_popescu !#s from:mircea "tumblr"
01:30 a111 2366 results for "from:mircea \"tumblr\"", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=from%3Amircea%20%22tumblr%22
01:30 mircea_popescu ^ talking of nsfw.
01:30 danielpbarron oo that's a good url
01:31 ReadErr lol mircea_popescu nice stuff
01:31 ReadErr a lot of freenode chans are stuffy about that kinda thing
01:31 ReadErr efnet doesnt really care
01:31 ReadErr every click is risky
01:32 ReadErr holy crap, 1700+ entries
01:32 mircea_popescu lol
01:32 mircea_popescu it says, 2366
01:32 ReadErr oh hm odd
01:32 ReadErr it changes per page
01:33 ReadErr good having folks like you that paste the good stuff, sift though the bad
01:33 mircea_popescu indeed.
01:33 danielpbarron i used that search to print out a stack of papers to post in a co-workers office, got fired.
01:33 mircea_popescu ahahaha
01:37 * danielpbarron regrets nothing
01:38 ReadErr mircea_popescu you trust wordpress enough ?
01:38 mircea_popescu mp-wp yeah.
01:39 ReadErr ive seen so many boxes compromised from garbage wp pluggins
01:39 mircea_popescu it's been running trilema for almost a decade, 0 spam 0 issues.
01:39 mircea_popescu nah.
01:39 ReadErr timthumb etc
01:39 mircea_popescu it comes with all the plugins you need.
01:39 ReadErr do you just prevent uploading?
01:39 mircea_popescu no, there's tons of pics on trilema. look : http://trilema.com/2014/ill-pay-for-your-tits/
01:40 ReadErr hahah 0.02BTC for tit pics nice
01:41 danielpbarron sorta why i did 0.01, no tits ;<
01:41 mircea_popescu lol
01:44 ReadErr im not workin with much
01:49 ReadErr any reliable postage selling sites that take eth?
01:49 mircea_popescu notrly
01:53 ReadErr yea couldnt find much either
01:54 ReadErr i used stampnik ages ago
01:54 ReadErr but with fees and stuff its too much
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04:06 ReadErr this must be one of those channels people actually sleep and live functional lives ;p
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08:39 BingoBoingo !!up yangwao
08:39 deedbot yangwao voiced for 30 minutes.
08:39 BingoBoingo yangwao: Who is your daddy and what does he do?
08:40 BingoBoingo <ReadErr> this must be one of those channels people actually sleep and live functional lives ;p << Yes, and some people in this channel even get sent on missions to Montevideo.
08:41 ReadErr lol explain
08:42 BingoBoingo ReadErr: Well after a prolonged search for an acceptable ISP to host servers, not a single one in the world was found. So I was sent to Montevideo to work with a datacenter to start one.
08:42 ReadErr oh haha thats awesome
08:43 ReadErr setup a few racks?
08:44 BingoBoingo Well, starting with one. At the moment mostly learning Spanish and waiting for the papers that declare me a very.legit.bsnsman
08:45 ReadErr lol
08:45 ReadErr i have so many dumb domains now
08:46 BingoBoingo Anyways this is one of the few places where hard work, not being stupid, and sticking around leads to opportunities and access to leverage.
08:46 ReadErr https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/2BB5JFL5/
08:47 ReadErr i let chatting.pro expire though
08:48 BingoBoingo Ah, we have our own pastetank here courtesy of Senor ben_vulpes http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/
08:48 ReadErr http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/2Wm0S/?raw=true
08:49 ReadErr hard16 is for ascii stuff not 16 year olds btw (16 color palette)
08:50 BingoBoingo Ah
08:51 ReadErr it was afterwards i realized people might take it the wrong way
08:52 ReadErr how much you planning on deploying ?
08:53 ReadErr odd that you arrived at uraguay
08:53 ReadErr is it one of those bulletproof hosting setups or whatever
08:54 BingoBoingo Well, After scouring the world Hong Kong would have required demasiado racks to support human presence near the datacenter, Brazil's visa process involved too much time and bullshit, and Uruguay is like "cool man, whatever"
08:55 ReadErr must be a pretty serious thing if you can afford to do it fulltime for now
08:55 BingoBoingo The setup however is not bulletproof. It turns out they don't make ballistic rated servers or cabinets.
08:56 ReadErr lol surey they do :)
08:56 BingoBoingo Well, part of the secret is keeping the burn rate on the cash low.
08:56 ReadErr infact there was a german
08:56 ReadErr in linuxcnc
08:56 ReadErr thats all his company did
08:56 ReadErr crazy chassis for tanks and vehicles
08:57 ReadErr super shielded for RF
08:57 ReadErr but yea need remote hands avail
08:59 BingoBoingo Anyways, I am living in a hostel and rent a desk at a cowork space. The black people here are friendly, unlike in Saint Louis, and the girls are pretty.
08:59 ReadErr haha
09:00 ReadErr ive been to st. louis a few times with a buddy
09:00 ReadErr its not too bad, too cold though
09:00 ReadErr not much to do in the city but drink
09:00 ReadErr the AHB tour is neat though
09:01 BingoBoingo In the summer it's too hot in St Louis too.
09:01 ReadErr yea thats true too
09:01 BingoBoingo And were you there before or after Micheal Brown was martyred in August 2014? Since then the city's gone into a far more intense race war
09:02 ReadErr oh before
09:02 ReadErr way before
09:02 ReadErr imagine it depends what part of st louis you are
09:02 ReadErr theres the super nice areas
09:03 ReadErr and the super not nice ones
09:03 BingoBoingo It used to depend. Now not so much.
09:03 BingoBoingo The "nice" areas now are a daylight only sort of affair. Like the old "sundown towns" but in reverse
09:04 ReadErr i could see that
09:05 ReadErr now i mean
09:05 ReadErr didnt realize it got that bad though
09:05 ReadErr too midwestern for me
09:05 BingoBoingo Anyways if you go into St Louis now at night, even in the "nice" areas... there is a 50/50 chance you get surrounded by a crowd of youth with half of them on their phones calling your pasty ass a nigger and waiting to surprise you with WORLDSTARHIPHOP
09:08 ReadErr savage
09:08 BingoBoingo Or you know... There's the knockout game.
09:08 BingoBoingo Etc
09:08 ReadErr there was a guy on efnet
09:08 ReadErr ran his mouth off to some folks leaving a bar
09:08 ReadErr they beat him up pretty good
09:09 ReadErr he went to the news trying to say he was a knockout game victim
09:09 BingoBoingo Here the locals say Ciuda Vieja is dangerous at night. I walk around there at night. Very safe. Just a bunch of idle dorks sitting around.
09:09 ReadErr but it all kinda backfired
09:10 ReadErr https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/qmDVnolq/lolward.png
09:11 BingoBoingo Ah
09:12 ReadErr probably karma related, he was always trying to scheme
09:12 ReadErr one of those types
09:12 BingoBoingo ReadErr: http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/ for updates on the journey here. Disregard the name. I've been sober for a couple years now.
09:13 ReadErr gangster roll lol
09:13 ReadErr nice
09:17 ReadErr when i read mortar and 6 shells, i was thinking like real military stuff for some reason
09:17 ReadErr which could have been fun
09:25 BingoBoingo Nah, just the sparkly stuff. MP got the bigger stuff though http://trilema.com/2018/happy-mew-years/
09:26 danielpbarron i did karaoke for new years. danced so hard i think i'm getting sick now
09:26 ReadErr i wan to go to a country that lets you toss live grenades
09:26 ReadErr no idea why
09:26 ReadErr just sounds fun
09:30 danielpbarron or a country that can't stop you from throwing them. who cares what they "let you do"
09:31 ReadErr I mean, real talk, i would settle on a flashbang too
09:31 danielpbarron be like best korea. not allowed to have nukes. gets nukes anyway
09:32 ReadErr a RGP would be fun too
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09:48 BingoBoingo !~ticker --market all
09:48 jhvh1 BingoBoingo: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 15000.0, vol: 15463.52843943 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 14944.06803522, vol: 56849.03831093 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 15087.4, vol: 3297.44488295 | Volume-weighted last average: 14961.7579516
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10:36 deedbot http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2018/01/03/una-bandita-robo-mi-escalara-de-cama-un-historia-para-todos-edads/ << Bingo Blog - Una Bandita Robo Mi Escalara De Cama Un Historia Para Todos Edads
10:37 BingoBoingo ^ Monday night's adventure
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11:03 asciilifeform in other lulz, intel ceo sells 100% of the stock his contract permitted him to sell ( and even filed the mandatory usg report to hitler, hence how it came out )
11:03 asciilifeform 0 mention in 'mainstream media' re the obvious reason ( http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-05#1720909 ) why.
11:03 a111 Logged on 2017-10-05 00:19 asciilifeform: here's a choice lulzgem: 'One-location hammering is based on a previously unknown Rowhammer effect. With one-location hammering, the attacker only runs a Flush+Reload loop on a single memory address at the maximum frequency. This virtually keeps the DRAM bank permanently open. We observed that one-location hammering drains enough charge from the DRAM cells to induce bit flips.'
11:05 asciilifeform but in very unrelated lulz, https://archive.is/bON1p >> 'It’s a bit absurd that a modern gaming machine running at 4,000x the speed of an apple 2, with a CPU that has 500,000x as many transistors (with a GPU that has 2,000,000x as many transistors) can maybe manage the same latency as an apple 2 in very carefully coded applications if we have a monitor with nearly 3x the refresh rate.'
11:07 asciilifeform ^ though i'ma nitpick, i actually ~had~ ( nao sold, ty phf ! for finding buyer ) a symbolics 3620 ; and it beat the shit out of the 2000s crapples, winblowz boxen, etc, at least subjectively. ( i did not obtain a 1000fps camera, unlike in the experiment claimed by linked item )
11:10 asciilifeform 'If we look at overall results, the fastest machines are ancient. Newer machines are all over the place. Fancy gaming rigs with unusually high refresh-rate displays are almost competitive with machines from the late 70s and early 80s, but “normal” modern computers can’t compete with thirty to forty year old machines.'
11:10 asciilifeform overall notbad.jpg.
11:15 * asciilifeform suspects that subjective latency depends more on statistical spread than the avg delay.
11:15 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-03#1762942 << nope. and imho ye olde 'water torch' is more interesting tech ( no need to buy o2 OR fuel... )
11:15 a111 Logged on 2018-01-03 06:00 ReadErr: asciilifeform: you have some concentrators ?
11:17 phf happy new year, tmsr
11:17 asciilifeform ohai phf !
11:18 phf so i pulled an old iphone out of storage for travel, and discovered that half the ips it gets are klined on freenode. at least from nyc
11:18 asciilifeform gets from where
11:18 asciilifeform ( which telco ? )
11:18 phf tmobile
11:19 * asciilifeform wonders if same is true in other million-meatbag cities
11:22 phf asciilifeform: oh hey so i posted my solution on chapter 5, and this time around i have an id: 18558
11:22 asciilifeform phf: irc on shitpnojes sucks mightily. can be made ~tolerable with 'bouncer' .
11:22 asciilifeform phf: i'ma look, 1s
11:23 asciilifeform phf: it was under a tall pile of spamola. should be visible nao.
11:23 phf ty
11:23 asciilifeform PeterL's too.
11:24 asciilifeform congrats to phf and PeterL : solved ch4.
11:27 phf oh hey, PeterL also did an optimization that i didn't notice at the time
11:28 asciilifeform phf: be so kind as to demonstrate yours on pehbot for the permalog
11:28 asciilifeform ( and PeterL when he comes , i will ask this also )
11:29 asciilifeform hm it croaked...?
11:31 asciilifeform just... vanished. left 0 record of why.
11:31 phf welcome to running an irc bot
11:32 * asciilifeform wonders if it is even in principle possible to make a freenode-crapolade-tolerant bot
11:32 asciilifeform betcha that's what killed it
11:32 asciilifeform prolly cheapest pill is simply to sit it down behind znc
11:42 asciilifeform !~later tell trinque how does deedbot's block-fetch history for past 2wk look ? zoolag's performed very, very well re 'tip of spear' , and there appear to exist at least 5 other fully-synced trb boxen that regularly speak to it.
11:42 jhvh1 asciilifeform: The operation succeeded.
11:56 ben_vulpes mine's been doing a marvelous job at staying at the tip, and i suspect that my network slices have made transaction broadcasting more reliable, but This Ain't Science
11:59 phf !!up pehbot
11:59 deedbot pehbot voiced for 30 minutes.
11:59 phf !A .1.2#[, ]#
11:59 pehbot phf: 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000002, 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000001
12:06 phf the algorithm http://www.loper-os.org/?p=2071&cpage=1#comment-18558 is recursive, where a base case examines two values at the top of the stack and leaves the one that's larger: ``< {'_}{_} _
12:06 phf !A .1.2 ``<{'_}{_}_ #
12:06 pehbot phf: 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000002
12:06 phf !A .3.2 ``<{'_}{_}_ #
12:06 pehbot phf: 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000003
12:07 phf the base operation is comparison <, but it drops both numbers, so we need to preserve them first by using a `` . we are left with a boolean result of a comparison and the two numbers
12:07 phf !A .1.2 ``< #[, ]#[, ]#
12:07 pehbot phf: 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000001, 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000002, 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000001
12:07 phf !A .3.2 ``< #[, ]#[, ]#
12:07 pehbot phf: 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000, 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000002, 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000003
12:07 phf using the boolean we execute an if/else branch which either swaps the two numbers and drops the top most '_, or drops the top most without swapping _. the final drop _ is an artifact of conditional implementation that always leaves a value on the stack.
12:07 phf !A .1.2.1 {'_}{_}_ #
12:07 pehbot phf: 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000002
12:07 phf !A .3.2.0 {'_}{_}_ #
12:07 pehbot phf: 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000003
12:07 phf we repeat the base case n-1 times.
12:14 asciilifeform phf: dunno that 'recursive' is the word. it's a wholly ordinary iteration.
12:14 asciilifeform but yes phf's algo -- worx.
12:17 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-03#1763202 << i've been thinking of abolishing the artifact where a 0 stays on the stack after the 'else' branch. it'd require only 1 extra state variable ( a WBool )
12:17 a111 Logged on 2018-01-03 17:07 phf: using the boolean we execute an if/else branch which either swaps the two numbers and drops the top most '_, or drops the top most without swapping _. the final drop _ is an artifact of conditional implementation that always leaves a value on the stack.
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12:37 ben_vulpes so i dug this ti-89 platinum out of my closet last night to have something tactile to do arithmetic on and holy shit i'd completely forgotten about the input lag
12:38 ben_vulpes not only that but it doesn't display 8 decimal places naively, and i don't care to figure out how to fixit, so it got binned on the spot.
12:38 asciilifeform ben_vulpes: throw out and get normal 89 (blue) or, best , 92 ( cheapo, 20bux or so surplus )
12:46 asciilifeform ben_vulpes: i've always liked ~good~ pocket calcs. ( not as a comp replacement, or a head replacement, but exactly as a 'tactile arithmetization' plaything. ) but no good ones have been made in decade+ or i expect ever will be again.
12:47 asciilifeform the ones currently sold are ~= ipnoje-running-emulator, internally ( 32bit 'arm' with 100s of MB of ram -- and doesn't add up to the original's 1980s 68k cpu )
12:49 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2015-09-10#1269083 << see also thread.
12:49 a111 Logged on 2015-09-10 00:32 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: if you're mystified as to wtf all of this was, these old gadgets are (literally) 'derive.exe'-in-a-can.
12:49 * asciilifeform discovers that all of the links in that thread, are dead...
12:51 phf http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-03#1763208 << i think that's a matter of perspective. i treat is as what knuth&graham call a "recurrent problem", i.e. it can be solved by finding a small case, which is self-similar to the whole. the solution can also be proved by induction
12:51 a111 Logged on 2018-01-03 17:14 asciilifeform: phf: dunno that 'recursive' is the word. it's a wholly ordinary iteration.
12:53 mircea_popescu it's rather likely the boys-best-friend calc went exactly the way of lassie. too expensive, and who is the terrorist reminding people that back in the 60s, every boy owned a dog as training for when he'll own a bitch.
12:54 asciilifeform the proximate cause of death was, reportedly, the discontinuation of the jp micropower 68k and accompanying chipset, as that atlantis sank. and not replaced.
12:54 mircea_popescu "lack of demand", in the sense of "demand" that is informed and deliberate.
12:54 asciilifeform ( asciilifeform exhaustively scouted the market for any similar item, found 0 )
12:54 mircea_popescu same reason us never managed to get restaurants as a thing
12:56 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-03#1763090 << he's just a pretty serious kind of guy.
12:56 a111 Logged on 2018-01-03 13:55 ReadErr: must be a pretty serious thing if you can afford to do it fulltime for now
12:58 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-03#1763108 << i had to google the name, ran across principally the picture of an ugly orc thug in one of those university bonnets. why the fuck is a 18yo monkey wearing collegiate apparel, not nearly old enough ?
12:58 a111 Logged on 2018-01-03 14:01 BingoBoingo: And were you there before or after Micheal Brown was martyred in August 2014? Since then the city's gone into a far more intense race war
12:59 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-03#1763220 << since for some reason nobody's said it yet, i will admit that it is ordinary 'bubble sort'
12:59 a111 Logged on 2018-01-03 17:51 phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-03#1763208 << i think that's a matter of perspective. i treat is as what knuth&graham call a "recurrent problem", i.e. it can be solved by finding a small case, which is self-similar to the whole. the solution can also be proved by induction
12:59 mircea_popescu they mature quicker in the hood or what's being signalled here ?
12:59 BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: That's the one.
13:00 BingoBoingo Kid like his weed, was high, aggressed on weak looking suburban cop, got euthanised
13:01 BingoBoingo But the apparel is from his secondary school education.
13:01 BingoBoingo Urban schools put a greater emphasis on the regalia
13:03 BingoBoingo !!up mircea_popescu
13:03 deedbot mircea_popescu voiced for 30 minutes.
13:03 * asciilifeform begins to suspect that mircea_popescu is a good candidate for that shortwave thing
13:06 mircea_popescu motherfucker, "completed an alternative education program" at normandy high school ? fucking shoot him. o, wait.
13:07 mircea_popescu "amateur musician", check out the thickness of delusion on these people. RAPPERS ARE NOT MUSICIANS OMFG!
13:07 mircea_popescu asciilifeform no dood, the usg can turn it off! unlike you know, interwebs.
13:07 asciilifeform lollers
13:08 * asciilifeform calculated that he could, in principle, do 2way 9600 baud with mircea_popescu with <10 watt
13:08 phf kinky
13:09 mircea_popescu now calculate how much the dumbass ciscos burn on javascript-emulated iphone-for-nsa.
13:09 mircea_popescu there's what, a dozen switches in between ?
13:09 asciilifeform aha, we had this thread
13:09 asciilifeform and >dozen . remember, cisco has to put it through london and brisbane...
13:10 asciilifeform ( unsurprisingly they don't all show up on traceroute )
13:13 mircea_popescu phf you know, "kinky" is rapidly becoming a very dirty word, sorta like "moron" ? 99% of my exposure to "kinky" comes from reviewing bot logs, where the pattern is 1. item self-identifies as "kinky" ; 2. bot goes through HELO/EHLO with them, provides entry point ; 3. they come back with "here is my valuation of $entry-point". because totally, anon bitch on meat market is a) in some kind of position of power and b) being asked
13:13 mircea_popescu for her oh-so-precious evaluation of things, that's why the world exists, so she can say "i rate this very good and interesting" ; then there they sit like so many manatees, "i am kinky and what's an entry point?!"
13:16 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-03#1763132 << it's kinda funny how all sorta three-toothpicks-tied-together doods go like "oh, knockout game". the FUCKING IDEA is to knock out someone by surprise when it's even vaguely conceivable you couldn't have otherwise. who the fuck is going to "knockout game" some dood that looks like he'd get knocked out falling out of bed / in some kind of toothbrush incident.
13:16 a111 Logged on 2018-01-03 14:12 ReadErr: probably karma related, he was always trying to scheme
13:17 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: i pictured 'knockout' as vaguely like the thing where bratva would 'lose a man at cards'
13:18 mircea_popescu "i was brushing my teeth this morning, officer, and i got distracted by a finger's worth of underboob in that gym advertisment, and so accidentally hit myself in the jaw with the toothrbush and that's the last i remeber! THERE WERE THREE OF THEM AND THEY WERE BLACK!!!1"
13:19 mircea_popescu asciilifeform nah, it's a very genuine social dynamic in monkey society (or "african-american" if you prefer), wherein strength dominates the very crowded quarters they're forced into, but speed is more useful for the group (as seen in ferguson, say). consequently, quick fuckers now and again scurry behind the big kahuna and knock him out, just foer the experience of it.
13:20 mircea_popescu mechanism to "loosen out the pressure", if you will, ie textbook social dynamic. if you want context see ice cube & butt buddy interaction with their landlady's son in that abomination i referenced recently, wtf was it
13:20 phf mircea_popescu: i go to burning man related parties, i'm unfortunately very familiar with what "kink scene" is. at this point using any relevant terminology as applied to self is suspect.
13:21 mircea_popescu "friday after next"
13:22 mircea_popescu phf and when did the ustard female fall into this "everything exists to justify itself to me" trap anyway ? dude! if you're under 30 nobody's going to seek you out to explain lengthy explanation to obtain your permission, what the holy fuck omfg!
13:23 mircea_popescu i suspect it's "school"-induced passivization, "i have to spend twelve hours a day while a bunch of teachers/advertisers/politicans/whatever try their best to summon my attention out of the fatty crevices it hides into"
13:23 phf a country full of enablers
13:24 mircea_popescu i can't imagine who has the energy/resources even. but...
13:25 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-03#1763141 << the us "lets you" in the same way anyone ever will, drive to the desert and blast away. the only problem is that i'd rate throwing grenades at more annoying (in the sense, you'd have to pay me more to do it) than using a concrete drill/chainsaw for four hours. PER ITEM. even if you have the shoot spiggot on the ak they're a pain in the butt.
13:25 a111 Logged on 2018-01-03 14:26 ReadErr: i wan to go to a country that lets you toss live grenades
13:26 mircea_popescu nfi who'd throw grenades recreationally, but i suspect the reason it's part of mental diagnosis is because it's so fucking unfun, you have to have serious issues to think otherwise.
13:26 mircea_popescu in there with "i gnaw at my own prepuce and shove nail clippings into my lacrimal ducts" sorta "fun"
13:29 asciilifeform i suspect that almost any chore, in measured doses, is somebody's hobby somewhere.
13:29 asciilifeform ( see also the gardening thread.. )
13:31 mircea_popescu i suppose...
13:31 ReadErr lol nah just from playing games
13:32 ReadErr seems like it would be fun
13:32 mircea_popescu though i also suppose misrepresentation in media has a lot to do with ellaborate misperception. no, if you drop one on your toe you're not going to escape with merely the gift of blindness, "like that guy in scent of a woman".
13:32 mircea_popescu ReadErr it's almost definitionally unfun. "you pressed button X, now you have ten seconds to save your life". hurr.
13:32 phf it's a common redneck activity here, i've been to a desert event where guy was shooting a mortar
13:32 ReadErr oh yea the damage is way less in a game
13:32 ReadErr but the physics of it
13:33 ReadErr i always liked, arc, velocity etc
13:33 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: actually frag is very capricious item, 'good rng' , 100+ yrs of credible reports of folx within 'guaranteed corpse' radius, surviving with minor injury
13:33 asciilifeform ( granted not at 'dropped on foot' radius )
13:33 mircea_popescu phf at least mortar is only OCCASIONALLY harmful to the fun seeker.
13:33 ReadErr i cant throw a baseball so id probably die
13:33 mircea_popescu (recall that case of usg "trained" special op dead in mortar "accident" ?)
13:34 mircea_popescu asciilifeform yes yes, wake me up when YOU are the dood they make a film about.
13:34 mircea_popescu capricious is not a good word in this context.
13:34 asciilifeform lol
13:35 ReadErr mircea_popescu: what about a flashbang
13:36 phf asciilifeform: oblig http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OBuAfIjsFVk&t=1m20s
13:37 asciilifeform lol!
13:38 BingoBoingo !<mircea_popescu> http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-03#1763132 << it's kinda funny how all sorta three-toothpicks-tied-together doods go like "oh, knockout game". the FUCKING IDEA is to knock out someone by surprise when it's even vaguely conceivable you couldn't have otherwise. who the fuck is going to "knockout game" some dood that looks like he'd get knocked out falling out of bed / in some kind of toothbrush incident. << In St Louis
13:38 a111 Logged on 2018-01-03 14:12 ReadErr: probably karma related, he was always trying to scheme
13:38 BingoBoingo not uncommon for the elderly azn shopkeeps to get "knockout game"'d
13:40 BingoBoingo In other news, went to the accountant (very short walk) to sign papers again because... The office of officing things apparently has an anal child thing when it comes to matching signatures
13:40 mircea_popescu ReadErr those are supposed to be safe ; tho you'll prolly lose your lunch
13:40 * mircea_popescu has never tried
13:40 asciilifeform lose eardrums
13:41 mircea_popescu what ?
13:41 asciilifeform 'flashbang'
13:41 mircea_popescu did you say something ?
13:41 asciilifeform ( beloved plaything of -- at this point -- even smallest american police precinct )
13:41 asciilifeform aha.
13:41 mircea_popescu ReadErr anyway, if you like arc velocity etc, know you're not the first. the french word is patanque.
13:42 mircea_popescu get yerself some marbles.
13:42 phf exploding marbles!
13:42 mircea_popescu why the fuck. everything is better with explosions ?
13:43 BingoBoingo <mircea_popescu> (recall that case of usg "trained" special op dead in mortar "accident" ?) << There was one of those from the home town. 1 week till his USMC contract expired, mortar exploded in Arizona desert during training exercise
13:43 mircea_popescu why not exploding fossil amber marbles with tyronasauri trapped inside! they could gnaw at your ankles! play it in the bed of a piranha infested river!
13:43 mircea_popescu ADVENTURE!!!
13:44 mircea_popescu BingoBoingo iirc these were photographers or something, "will never be forgotten" etc. ofcourse meanwhile...
13:44 asciilifeform stimulation-starved folx are like thirsty in the desert, 'could drink a river!111'
13:44 mircea_popescu ok, but do me a favour, don't drink the whole river at the same time.
13:44 phf mircea_popescu: oblig http://oglaf.com/obituator/
13:44 mircea_popescu drink it over you know, lifetime. methodically!
13:45 mircea_popescu phf ahaha that thing. "comes alive at night AND FUCKS YOUR WIFE!!!" has endured as a harem ditty.
13:45 BingoBoingo <mircea_popescu> why the fuck. everything is better with explosions ? << Well, what's the next Republican holiday? Gotta challenge the Latino Christmasen.
13:47 mircea_popescu ftr, i think it's bandiDos, bb
13:48 mircea_popescu and of course escalera.
13:48 BingoBoingo ty, fxing
13:48 mircea_popescu aaand... edades
13:48 mircea_popescu three in one title!
13:50 mircea_popescu and you still gotta get the hang of spanish flow. "la noche pasada, nadie robar mi escalara" = "last night, nobody to steal my steer" is funny, but "la noche pasada nadie me robo nada" a little more in the vein of common speech.
13:51 mircea_popescu and wtf ivory bunks you got there. chicago man can't jump ?!
13:51 ReadErr mircea_popescu: bocce ball was my game ;)
13:51 ReadErr not like on the traditional boxes but more freestyle
13:51 BingoBoingo Jumping is not a gringo power. They even made a movie titled "White men can't jump"
13:51 mircea_popescu ah, they have it there too ? so then.
13:52 mircea_popescu BingoBoingo dude when i was your age i jumped INTO a chicks bunk.
13:52 asciilifeform are the bunks 3-level нары in BingoBoingostan , or wat
13:52 mircea_popescu he lives in the tower of song
13:52 asciilifeform the ones asciilifeform slept in at uni dorm were jumpable-IN as well as out
13:52 asciilifeform ( with effort )
13:52 mircea_popescu an' he aches in the places where he used to play.
13:53 BingoBoingo Two level
13:54 mircea_popescu one of my dreams is to one day visit a nubile young woman's place of domicile and discover this slighlty humid cave, with beds piled up like racks, 20 of them on either side.
13:54 mircea_popescu "let me guess, you're top floor ?" "how did you know ?"
13:54 BingoBoingo Well, this slightly humid cave only has 8
13:54 mircea_popescu BingoBoingo i mean, you know, 20 layers of bunk.
13:54 BingoBoingo Ah
13:55 mircea_popescu maybe the next shoah.
13:55 BingoBoingo Quizas
13:57 deedbot http://www.contravex.com/2018/01/03/better-than-a-store-of-value-g-g-g-gold-makes-for-k-k-k-killer-lapel-pins/ << Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski - Better than a store of value, g-g-g-gold makes for k-k-k-killer lapel pins.
13:57 BingoBoingo Anyways the overriding concern was the full bladder. Secondary concern is not knowing how long water's been making it through the roof and onto the floor. The parquet routinely gets pulled up by bare feet, which gives me doubts about the subfloor.
13:57 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-03#1763157 << which is why real men have old iron.
13:57 a111 Logged on 2018-01-03 16:10 asciilifeform: 'If we look at overall results, the fastest machines are ancient. Newer machines are all over the place. Fancy gaming rigs with unusually high refresh-rate displays are almost competitive with machines from the late 70s and early 80s, but “normal” modern computers can’t compete with thirty to forty year old machines.'
14:09 BingoBoingo !~ticker --market all
14:09 jhvh1 BingoBoingo: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 14866.13, vol: 14225.12741100 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 14831.0, vol: 50058.28258709 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 14959.1, vol: 2964.98727792 | Volume-weighted last average: 14844.0790269
14:17 mod6 <+asciilifeform> but yes phf's algo -- worx. << I came up with same: ``<{'_}{_}_ (n-1)
14:18 mod6 or the reverse is fine too: ``>{_}{'_}_ (n-1)
14:19 mod6 i never did get sha1 of my tape to equal anyone elses that were posted tho
14:21 asciilifeform mod6: phf had comments in his
14:22 asciilifeform so quite unlikely that anybody else's would be exactly same
14:22 mod6 ahh
14:22 mod6 gotcha, thx
14:24 asciilifeform mod6: see orig in http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-03#1763192
14:24 a111 Logged on 2018-01-03 17:06 phf: the algorithm http://www.loper-os.org/?p=2071&cpage=1#comment-18558 is recursive, where a base case examines two values at the top of the stack and leaves the one that's larger: ``< {'_}{_} _
14:28 BingoBoingo !!up Blockhawk
14:28 deedbot Blockhawk voiced for 30 minutes.
14:28 BingoBoingo Blockhawk: WHo is your daddy and what does he do?
14:35 Blockhawk He's an IRC bot and he asks trick questions
14:39 asciilifeform !!up pehbot
14:39 deedbot pehbot voiced for 30 minutes.
14:39 asciilifeform !A .9.1.7.5.1.1.0``<U``<U``<U``<U``<U``<U#
14:39 pehbot asciilifeform: 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000009
14:39 asciilifeform !A .3.1.7.9.1.1.0``<U``<U``<U``<U``<U``<U#
14:40 pehbot asciilifeform: 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000009
14:40 asciilifeform !A .3.FFFFFFFF.7.0.1.1.0``<U``<U``<U``<U``<U``<U#
14:40 pehbot asciilifeform: 00000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000FFFFFFFF
14:40 phf asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/patches/ffa_ch5_egypt
14:40 asciilifeform ty phf !
14:43 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-03#1763181 << i luled.
14:43 a111 Logged on 2018-01-03 16:31 phf: welcome to running an irc bot
14:44 BingoBoingo !!down Blockhawk
14:45 mod6 ah, simple mux did the trick. nice.
14:46 asciilifeform mod6: it's the 'official' answer, linked in ch5.
14:46 mod6 oh i gotta check out ch5!
14:47 phf anybody know how to refresh gnu screen's config remotely? i set `escape ^))` which apparently doesn't work
14:48 mircea_popescu you mean screen the utility ?
14:48 phf yes
14:49 mircea_popescu c-a c-l should reprint ?
14:49 phf no c-a doesn't work anymore, since that's what escape directive does
14:49 mircea_popescu then reattach ?
14:50 * mircea_popescu loathes redefining the escape sequence.
14:55 BingoBoingo Seriously, this is politically controversial here, how QUAINT! http://www.republica.com.uy/rossi-defendio-la-construccion-de-una-terminal-de-pasajeros-en-la-zona-del-dique-maua/
14:56 BingoBoingo For the record, "Rambla sur" is the section of Rambla that crosses "Barrio Sur" aka where black people keep themselves here
15:00 BingoBoingo And in other commodities http://www.republica.com.uy/se-normaliza-suministro-combustible-punta-del-este/
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15:29 BingoBoingo Meanwhile back home: http://www.bnd.com/news/local/article192734909.html#wgt=trending
15:30 BingoBoingo "Illinois American Water issued the boil order for most of its metro-east service area, which includes Belleville, East St. Louis, Centreville, Brooklyn, Fairmont City, Sauget, Shiloh, Washington Park, Alorton, Cahokia, Swansea, Canteen Township, St. Clair Township, Stookey Township and Smithton Township. The boil order also affects utilities and communities who buy water wholesale from Illinois American and distribute the water
15:30 BingoBoingo locally, including Scott Air Force Base, O’Fallon, Fairview Heights, Caseyville, Millstadt, Waterloo, and the Metro-East Municipal Joint Action Water Agency, which serves Commonfields of Cahokia Public Water District and Columbia."
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16:22 asciilifeform in other verymuch nonnews, asciilifeform for some reason only today realized that von neumann's fair coin algo is simply 'numerical differentiation' for discretes, and removes bias for the same reason differentiation removes constant
16:24 asciilifeform this wouldn't be worth writing about, except that it invites a gnarlier analysis q -- what is the bias that 1 round of faircoin ~does not~ remove ? ... analogous similarly directly to successive degrees of polynomial 'not removed' by differentiation in continuous functions ? can prove this ?
16:28 mircea_popescu asciilifeform yeah...
16:28 mircea_popescu and the non-constant part of the polynomial isn't bias.
16:30 mircea_popescu f(x) = f(y) for x, y arbitrarily chosen if and only if a1...an=0
16:30 asciilifeform wat's a1 .. an ?
16:30 mircea_popescu indices of polynomial, corresponding to root 1..n
16:30 asciilifeform aa
16:30 mircea_popescu a0x^0 is the constant
16:30 asciilifeform then yea
16:32 asciilifeform i'ma have to eat the 'not bias!' answer. even tho it leaves me without a clean analysis-flavoured picture of why successive rounds of faircoin improve entropy metrics across-the-board (regardless of what litmus is chosen)
16:33 mircea_popescu because they're metrics!
16:33 mircea_popescu think about it for a second, what's the aleph of entropy ?
16:33 asciilifeform yes but why is ~this~ the only item they agree on.
16:33 mircea_popescu THERE CAN NOT BE SUCH A THING AS ORDERED ENTROPY!
16:33 mircea_popescu it's a set without meter! necessarily!
16:33 asciilifeform this is correct and makes my puzzle appear doubly puzzling.
16:34 mircea_popescu the problem are the metrics.
16:34 asciilifeform why is there , apparently... a meter.
16:34 mircea_popescu guess ?
16:34 asciilifeform well obviously cuz i'm missing sumthing
16:34 asciilifeform q is : what
16:34 mircea_popescu in this case, cuz you ~have~ something.
16:35 asciilifeform hm?
16:35 mircea_popescu the metrics lol.
16:37 asciilifeform it isn't clear to me why any such thing as 'distill the entropy' should be possible.
16:37 mircea_popescu well, i guess we break out the metaphors. suppose you're now a vintner.
16:37 * asciilifeform supposes
16:38 mircea_popescu is there such a thing possible as "distill the wine", in the sense of "putting in less chicken droppings than previously" ?
16:38 mircea_popescu conversely, is there such a thing possible as "distil the wine", in the sense of, "taking a cask of wine in which were put no droppings of any kind, and making it wine-irier, somehiw" ?
16:39 asciilifeform theoretically yes. but not sure if analogous : chicken shit is visually separable from grape; what we have here is rather moar like trying to distill the veritas from 'in vino veritas'
16:39 mircea_popescu alright, acceptable metaphor.
16:39 asciilifeform ( the entropy that ~all~ of the litmuses have in common, is an imaginary entity... )
16:39 mircea_popescu replace words, structure still stands.
16:40 asciilifeform whenever i work on 'entropy' i get the uncomfortable suspicion that i am working with a phlogiston
16:41 mircea_popescu it's not even untrue.
16:41 * asciilifeform regularly returns to the problem, if the reader has not guessed, of exactly what is the correct method of testing FG, other than ~against other FG~
16:41 asciilifeform thing was built to avoid lying to itself and the operator re entropy. but that's only 1st step.
16:43 mircea_popescu there's no further steps.
16:43 asciilifeform if there are -- i dun know of any. yet.
16:50 * asciilifeform also wonders which, if any, 'dieharder' litmus, the item displayed in http://www.loper-os.org/bad-at-entropy/manmach.html is analogous to
17:01 asciilifeform meanwhile in other but not wholly unrelated non-news, http://boris.ryabko.net/published-engl.pdf ( sorry, no human version available. ) << actual work on otp , from 2014 , by not-anglotards
17:01 asciilifeform ( http://boris.ryabko.net/papers.html << moar goodies . )
17:05 asciilifeform ^ boatload of funstuff concerning , e.g., rng testing methodology; rigorous approach to stego; novel attacks on symmetriccipherolade; various other interesting ( and quite compact ) items.
17:06 asciilifeform unsurprisingly anglotard 'cryptographic komyoonity' cites d00d : 0 times
17:10 mircea_popescu ha.
17:11 asciilifeform ryabko's been in business for quite a while. earliest item in '79.
17:25 asciilifeform meanwhile in entomology dept : http://www.zerothposition.com
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17:47 ben_vulpes and in riotously amusing equalitarianism and whocouldapredictedz: "After the committee ruled in her favor, the municipality lowered the man's wages to Ms. Sigfusdottir's level. 'I went home crying,', she said in an interview. 'I would never have gone forward with the case knowing it would only lead to my colleague receiving less."
17:47 ben_vulpes from https://www.nytimes.com/2018/01/03/world/europe/iceland-equal-pay.html
17:47 asciilifeform ahahahahaha
17:48 ben_vulpes no really, you're crying because he got dinged and not because you didn't get the raise? i am so very convinced.
17:48 asciilifeform 'for doing the same jobs' << old, grey-bearded lulzgem
17:49 asciilifeform 'Ms. Valdimarsdottir, an organizer of the demonstrations in 2016, said inequality still persisted in other areas of Icelandic society, such as wealth distribution and representation in the arts and literature, as well as in the upper echelons of business.' << didjaknow.
17:52 mircea_popescu i dunno who listens to these shitheads.
17:59 mircea_popescu but anyway, let the case of the dumb icelander cow be publicized, maybe they learn the fundamental lesson : "being stupid, which is to say being you, means that the more you '''try to help''' the worse it gets. for everyone."
17:59 mircea_popescu important life lesson for precious cuntlet.
18:12 mircea_popescu "what have we learned today, dottirsherd ?" "today we have learned that the capital duty incumbent upon the dottir herswoman is to find herself a master to obediently follow ; because if dottir herdswoman attempts to act of her own, disaster universally follows."
18:12 mircea_popescu then we can dispense bonbons.
18:20 ben_vulpes 'umble pie is an unknown delight for these people
18:24 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-03#1763264
18:24 a111 Logged on 2018-01-03 18:23 phf: a country full of enablers
18:24 mircea_popescu it is ~~~SHAMEFUL~~~ for an intelligent, productive person to permit the leeches to perpetuate their hallucinated comforts out of redirecting his output.
18:25 mircea_popescu it is EXACTLY like keeping a filthy house so cockroaches and rats can spread ; a shameful act and a polity delictus.
18:25 ben_vulpes what, like paying taxes?
18:26 mircea_popescu for instance.
18:26 mircea_popescu certainly giving money to fiatard alt-"sovereigns".
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20:16 BingoBoingo "While Iceland has had equal pay laws in place since 1961, the new standard is seen as the first time that the small and prosperous nation of about 340,000" << This is a population in the range of "invadable by Uruguay if Uruguay were managed like USSA"
20:17 mircea_popescu somehow the "small" and "prosperous" relationship, as in, "for as long as you're not overpopulated, you can be prosperous" is not-evident to the pantsuit fans of iceland.
20:18 mircea_popescu "how about culling 95% of us pop ? then can be small and prosperous nation ?"
20:18 mircea_popescu god know it fucking was prosperous back when it was small enough.
20:18 BingoBoingo Seriously. Imagine if China got into the biodiesel business.
20:19 mircea_popescu they could write all the articles about binshinmindwin or however you call "Small and prosperous nation of middle-of-nowherica" you could possibly want.
20:21 BingoBoingo I mean, culturally Argentina and Uruguay are similar stock. But there is a palpable difference between the people of both places assembled and individually.
20:21 BingoBoingo And it can't be that one places grass is better than the other's for cow feeding
20:23 BingoBoingo Both countries shove just about everything into their capital cities
20:25 trinque I dunno; wouldn't be a bad thing for someone to investigate if there's a sickly <-> pantsuit correlation
20:27 BingoBoingo !!up gabriel_laddel
20:27 deedbot gabriel_laddel voiced for 30 minutes.
20:27 BingoBoingo Sup gabriel_laddel
20:27 BingoBoingo Escape KKKalifornia yet?
20:27 gabriel_laddel yea
20:27 BingoBoingo <trinque> I dunno; wouldn't be a bad thing for someone to investigate if there's a sickly <-> pantsuit correlation << There is
20:28 mircea_popescu lel. "investigation complete."
20:28 trinque lol
20:28 BingoBoingo gabriel_laddel: Where did you jailbreak to?
20:28 trinque so maybe the winds blow the shit away from montevideo better.
20:28 gabriel_laddel well actually democrats are less sexually satisfied in day to day life, which ~= sickly
20:29 gabriel_laddel BingoBoingo Ohio for now, prolly Ky soonish
20:29 trinque gabriel_laddel: got working feet yet?
20:30 BingoBoingo gabriel_laddel: Eh, I would have recommended those places to you a few months ago, but seriously just get a place in Ciudad vieja. There's a coworking place near aguada park.
20:30 gabriel_laddel Nope. ISY in Ohio. Saw a COMPETENT WHITE DOCTOR today and got CAT scan + surgery scheduled
20:30 BingoBoingo gabriel_laddel: That'll give us a corridor through the city
20:30 trinque BingoBoingo will put you in a backpack
20:31 * gabriel_laddel is getting photoID etc here in Ohio so can go to SA.
20:31 BingoBoingo Also the people here... Whiter than in Ohio
20:32 * gabriel_laddel doesn't care about 'white', but just so happens WMD (white male doctor) is far more talented than stanford semetic strange
20:33 mircea_popescu jooz make great doctors historically.
20:33 gabriel_laddel semetic strange = paki / nosed indian / arab
20:33 * BingoBoingo only somewhat visually attractive to the local girls for his more northern euro facial features. Once BingoBoingo takes off his shirt and they see the tan lines though... all bets are in BingoBoingo's favor.
20:34 * trinque just had joo oral surgeon chop out wisdom teeth, did a great job
20:34 trinque dude was like 4ft 10in
20:35 mircea_popescu in other holy shit sherlock news, the wind here actually got SO BAD!!! it bust down my door. fucking literally.
20:36 gabriel_laddel lol
20:36 mircea_popescu i thought some idiot actually kicked it, which makes no sense seeing how a few layers of metal grates etc to get to it. but i was like... oook, who dies today.
20:37 BingoBoingo <mircea_popescu> i thought some idiot actually kicked it, which makes no sense seeing how a few layers of metal grates etc to get to it. but i was like... oook, who dies today. << AHA metal grates everywhere here too!
20:37 gabriel_laddel ben_vulpes is there some way to search wotpaste for "sb-c::info"
20:38 gabriel_laddel I dropped some code in there I'd like to not rewrite. Destroyed old machines on traintracks before leaving CA...
20:38 mircea_popescu BingoBoingo this is a normal people wooden door, up on a ledge. whatevs.
20:38 mircea_popescu gabriel_laddel kept the paste 5-letter id then ?
20:38 gabriel_laddel nope
20:38 mircea_popescu pastes die in a week...
20:38 gabriel_laddel I can get it from customer was pasting to then
20:40 BingoBoingo trinque: How do you know that wasn't a leprachaun pretending to be pete's peeple?
20:40 mircea_popescu what, after the pout of gold ?
20:40 BingoBoingo You know... Big texas trinque with his big gold teeth
20:43 gabriel_laddel sam hyde
20:43 ben_vulpes gabriel_laddel: no
20:43 ben_vulpes you did what now?
20:44 gabriel_laddel ben_vulpes I destroyed my machines, usb sticks using the BART track before leaving. recover my harddrive bitches.
20:44 ben_vulpes dude...
20:45 * gabriel_laddel has new inventory in CA, new machine here, no biggie
20:47 BingoBoingo BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
20:47 BingoBoingo Why not Union Pacific. Heavier trains delete more securely
20:48 gabriel_laddel the party was in the train tunnels!
20:48 BingoBoingo gabriel_laddel: You know if you come to Montevideo... They'll have an expocannabis again and you could actually be there this time.
20:49 gabriel_laddel ty but no pot for me. stim convention where and when, im there then.
20:49 BingoBoingo Ah, apparently the shit the kids chew is coca leaves.
20:50 gabriel_laddel which, incidentally, do they market crystal or "work" to you at all down there?
20:50 BingoBoingo Also Yerba's got a bit of a different kick than coffee
20:50 BingoBoingo Down here people tend not to market hard drugs to the gringo that doesn't drink or smoke pot.
20:51 ben_vulpes BingoBoingo: leaves not enough on their own, gotta throw in some of the magic dirt too
20:52 BingoBoingo ben_vulpes: By kids I mean the small homeless children.
20:52 ben_vulpes 'magic' just means alkaline; necessary to make the reaction run.
20:53 ben_vulpes holy hell someone set off an alarm at a construction site down the street and now i cannot think through the blaring
20:53 gabriel_laddel pity. I was going to ask you what you know about there coca plants.
20:53 BingoBoingo Ah, here it is normal for the garage doors to be hooked up to sirens that sound when cars attempt to join traffic
20:54 BingoBoingo gabriel_laddel: My impression is that in south america people with money generally only talk about their knowledge of hard drug markets within their wot
20:55 BingoBoingo Perhaps there are exceptions, but... No reason to let USG get free intel
20:58 BingoBoingo !!up gabriel_laddel
20:58 deedbot gabriel_laddel voiced for 30 minutes.
20:58 trinque gabriel_laddel: if you were capable, you might review your own logs and notice that you talk about lisp less and this nonsense more.
20:58 trinque curious thing!
21:00 gabriel_laddel sigh what would you like to know about my lisp trinque
21:00 trinque !!v 781F6BC7DD99DBA3C2E0E8FBAA91B926DB2427586871D357AB5C2BCA72A8F55C
21:00 deedbot trinque rated gabriel_laddel -3 << vapid addict
21:01 gabriel_laddel dumbass. the reason I say nothing is because there is nothing to say about it other than "WIP". What, you need to hear about how pleased I am with (ALIAS 'f 'cl::defun)? gtfo'
21:03 mircea_popescu nothwithstanding that bb opened the pot talk, there's the problem that if i want to point to something to explain what you do to an innocent third party, i don't know where to, gabriel_laddel
21:03 gabriel_laddel trinque are there some local kids I can pay to ship me some senegalia berlandie?
21:04 gabriel_laddel mircea_popescu can show them this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T1QlEJ-2Gho
21:04 gabriel_laddel Daniel can be seen for sales. He has right of way to sell M as he sees fit.
21:06 mircea_popescu gabriel_laddel dja see how this is rather in the vein of asciilifeform "future of internet" png ?
21:07 gabriel_laddel no? explain please?
21:07 mircea_popescu consider the discussion with phf ( http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-29#1760915 )
21:07 a111 Logged on 2017-12-29 21:30 mircea_popescu: here's a problem i perceive phf : you could guess about log(n) of my understanding of various things that interest me on the basis of reading trilema ; i could not guess epsilon of thge say your understanding of sbcl on the basis of reading whatever you provide voluntarily. i could glean it from this kind of interaction, but here's what that means : http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-29#1760839
21:08 mircea_popescu i can't, on the basis of that video, infer anything beyond, "hey, if we ever want to upload a youtube video with apologies about some software, maybe gabriel_laddel is free"
21:10 gabriel_laddel well for one, I'm not really prepared to sell M to the mass market & recently reached the conclusion that CLIM is backwards in a few fixable ways. #1, commands are to be computed by code walking rather than define-command & by using (declare) and FUNCTION-LAMBDA-LIST
21:11 mircea_popescu yes, but did you follow either asciilifeform or diana_coman 's approach to a very similar problem ?
21:11 mircea_popescu to wit, "computer algebra is broken in a few fixable ways" ; "digital cryptography is broken in a few fixable ways" ?
21:12 gabriel_laddel FTR: what I bring to the table is the closest thing to LISPM available, and direction + productive discussion for those already down the rabbit hole. Non-alices need not apply.
21:12 gabriel_laddel mircea_popescu: I have not followed anything diana_coman has done, whatsoever.
21:13 gabriel_laddel will read her blog in full tonight tho
21:13 mircea_popescu well, either / both of them work for the purpose here.
21:15 mircea_popescu in other words : republican methodology for improving software, that was slowly swirling towards systematisation down the drain of v turned exponential / made some major breakthroughs in the past six weeks or so.
21:16 mircea_popescu many problems that previously had poor or altogether no solution are essentially resolved now as a result.
21:17 gabriel_laddel I am catching up on logs now, but until now have not bought into V whatsoever.
21:18 gabriel_laddel In my mind, lispm, or interlisp editor + fixed clim comes first. hence, have been following that route
21:19 mircea_popescu well, that's the fundamental problem here, you were left stranded.
21:23 gabriel_laddel eh, the rabbit tunnels will connect. http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-02#1745646 is my motto & the world is a small place
21:23 a111 Logged on 2017-12-02 22:16 mircea_popescu: but otherwise -- everything's sough. you got tits ? make money. you can code ? make money. you can draw ? make money. you "got relations" / can pr/whatever the fuck you got ? MAKE MONEY!
21:25 mircea_popescu yes, but until they do so connect you are at risk of "wtf is this and why is it in my feed" beheading.
21:26 gabriel_laddel acknowledged.
21:27 gabriel_laddel am trying to get passport so I can just show YOU rather than fking around with low-fidelity comms
21:38 mircea_popescu !!up Troika
21:38 deedbot Troika voiced for 30 minutes.
21:38 mircea_popescu !!up gabriel_laddel
21:38 deedbot gabriel_laddel voiced for 30 minutes.
21:41 Troika Can one create a new WOT identity? For purposes of paying "corporate tax/tithe" to TMSR, as opposed to an individual WOT identity.
21:41 mircea_popescu why would these be separate ?
21:42 Troika In case the business changes hands or similar.
21:42 mircea_popescu it's personal tax, if the business changes hands you realise whatever you realise and that's that.
21:43 Troika Alright thanks -- back to lurking now, keep up the good work.
21:43 mircea_popescu to put it in other words : the republic does not deem corporatyions to be persons. a corporation can't owe tax for the exact same reason the united states government can't be sovereign.
21:51 danielpbarron http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-04#1763541 << sure, send me some and i'll see what i can do
21:51 a111 Logged on 2018-01-04 02:04 gabriel_laddel: Daniel can be seen for sales. He has right of way to sell M as he sees fit.
21:54 gabriel_laddel thats a damn good idea, I was referring to DanG who hosted the youtube video tho
21:54 danielpbarron !!reputation DangG
21:54 deedbot http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/1b7VF/?raw=true
21:54 gabriel_laddel danielpbarron where are you located? I'm in cincy getting a job now to pay for some flights to see people like you
21:55 danielpbarron i'm in connecticut
21:56 gabriel_laddel aite. see you in next ~6 months. what city
21:57 danielpbarron no assurance i'll be in ct in 6 months
21:57 danielpbarron i'm in westbrook
21:59 danielpbarron but i can meet wherever as long as you give me some notice
21:59 danielpbarron i'll even buy you dinner
22:00 gabriel_laddel if you want to drop by out here, im in forest park
22:00 danielpbarron prolly not.
22:00 gabriel_laddel ticket is like240 so I'll see about signing bonus and then first weekend of job
22:08 danielpbarron !!up BigTexasBingo
22:08 deedbot BigTexasBingo voiced for 30 minutes.
22:08 danielpbarron !!up gabriel_laddel
22:08 deedbot gabriel_laddel voiced for 30 minutes.
22:09 BigTexasBingo Yo tengo que hacer numero dos porque bebo mucho cafe. Anyways passport was not hard to get in the end.
22:10 BigTexasBingo Also probably best to sync long to brain before Costa Rica less all the Usted there feed your ego.
22:12 BigTexasBingo And the go to line "Para vos no soy tu. Yo soy usted" could be more likely to get you stabbed
22:17 BigTexasBingo Anyways gotta put ideas into text or else you keep getting greeted with "How are drugs today"
22:17 BigTexasBingo Me voy
22:18 gabriel_laddel I did. Nobody grokked. ARSTTEP.
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