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01:07 BingoBoingo !~ticker --market all
01:08 jhvh1 BingoBoingo: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 7672.41, vol: 15851.94799197 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 7638.8, vol: 72545.60110328 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 7000.0, vol: 0 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 7685.8, vol: 5451.1288452 | Volume-weighted last average: 7647.2070127
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01:53 ben_vulpes welp, completely struck out installing ada compiler tonight
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01:54 ben_vulpes tried both binturd from libre.adacore and a portage ebuild
01:55 ben_vulpes likely has to do with that this box is running gcc 5.4.0, i think i have to figure out how to make a gentoo with gcc 4.9
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02:23 ben_vulpes okay well *something* is compiling on my closet iron now
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10:52 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-17#1740118 << precisely. self-interest is intended to pull the republican cart here. everyone is very well advised to take the matter seriously, do his own research for his own needs and let's see if we can distil it down to a workable list.
10:52 a111 Logged on 2017-11-17 06:13 trinque: yep, I will have to do some research there myself.
10:53 mircea_popescu and ideally derive some mutual-support benefit, such as A gets to use B's bios even if it wasn't the top of his list of needs.
10:56 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-17#1740123 << moreover, i fully expect we'll be drawing some loser lots before we figure out exactly what we want. "intellectual property" right, "i know which kind of box works best for each of our tasks".
10:56 a111 Logged on 2017-11-17 06:37 trinque: for the simple webhosting and bothosting cases, of which there oughta be many, max-spec'd machine is not necessary
10:56 mircea_popescu eg, originally phuctor box was specified with lots and lots of ram, then software improvement brought that original perceived bottleneck ~in line with the others so overram no longer a critical measure of box quality. and so following.
10:58 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-17#1740127 << i wouldn't be too worried, trilema serves up to 5k simultaneous connections off a single box.
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10:58 a111 Logged on 2017-11-17 06:48 BingoBoingo: Still, calls to it add up
11:00 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-17#1740131 << aactually... you can. we did this already, with FUCKGOATS no less!
11:00 a111 Logged on 2017-11-17 14:06 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-17#1740117 << you can't v-root an item containing binturds. and the only x86 bios without winturds, is for opteron or ancient (pre-2008) intels. with recent chips even binturd-containing coreboot dun work, and yer stuck with the heathen fw shipped in the box.
11:01 mircea_popescu binturds are NOT unapproachable. they are very much as approachable as, eg, reversing ivory/bolix software. not necesarily as perfumed, but be that as it may.
11:02 mircea_popescu i would much prefer to have a v-root for whatever bios, with the binary clearly laid out, so people with the competence can take it apart.
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11:02 mircea_popescu rather than pretend alongside the usg tards it's an "insurmountable task". it's not. build the tools and spend the time, do your part to ruin wintel and with it the united states.
11:04 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: in FG, i signed binturds that i ~generated~ ( e.g. jpeg of schematic )
11:04 mircea_popescu so ?
11:04 mircea_popescu a binturd is a binturd.
11:05 mircea_popescu yes, yours is already reversed. the others aren't YET.
11:06 asciilifeform it's a perfectly ordinary use of sig ( supposing one remembers to write proper disclaimer, 'i sign what i found , from wherever' ) . but not of v -- the diffs aren't meaningful
11:07 asciilifeform iirc asciilifeform actually posted a binturd bios once, that he cracked ( for stinkpad x60 , which normally refuses aftermarket nic )
11:10 mircea_popescu what you mean is "the diffs aren't directly meaningful" which is true, but also what can we do ?
11:10 mircea_popescu indirectly meaningful diffs.
11:10 asciilifeform they carry no meaning at all. change 1 byte and you get a turd every bit as large as the genesis.
11:10 mircea_popescu v is still needed to manage the metadata on them. such as you know, the textfile explaining how to produce them and what (at least) portions say
11:11 mircea_popescu asciilifeform the interesting part is where you change 1 byte and you get sony's copy protection in a new package.
11:11 asciilifeform so genesis the text file, and it contains the turd hashes. this is what i did with fg.
11:11 mircea_popescu i wasn't proposing to treat the binturds as genesis themselves, no. attached exactly in manner fg did it
11:11 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/patches?patchset=fg&search= << as seen here
11:12 mircea_popescu imo you solved this "i got bins, they're needed but hated" problem correctly, there.
11:12 asciilifeform aite. this -- imho is The Right THing.
11:12 mircea_popescu right.
11:12 * asciilifeform brb,teatime
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11:56 mircea_popescu pete_dushenski there ?
11:56 asciilifeform !~later tell ben_vulpes http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-18#1740266 << you gotta post the barf, post the eggog! srsly nobody can helpya unless you post, post the eggog.
11:56 a111 Logged on 2017-11-18 06:53 ben_vulpes: welp, completely struck out installing ada compiler tonight
11:56 jhvh1 asciilifeform: The operation succeeded.
12:09 mod6 mornin'
12:14 asciilifeform ohai mod6
12:17 mod6 how goes alf?
12:19 asciilifeform slowly.
12:19 asciilifeform and you, mod6 ?
12:20 mod6 nb. been workin on / looking at the privkey tools requests.
12:23 mod6 buncha stuff to do hehe.
12:28 shinohai Afternoon mod6 o/
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13:08 ben_vulpes asciilifeform: not stuck yet, trying other things
13:10 ben_vulpes but the very very funny event was the script from the adacore binstaller simply fails, and instructed me to check an empty log file
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13:47 mircea_popescu buh bye
13:49 shinohai mircea_popescu was extremely patient with that one ......
13:49 mircea_popescu i guess.
13:50 mircea_popescu anyway, this strategy whereby one contributes nothing to the conversation but insists to advertise their name through join/part spamming nevertheless... bad idea, really.
13:50 mircea_popescu nobody will like you.
13:50 shinohai He had certainly ground my gears for weeks.
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14:07 shinohai Wonder how the Argentines are doing with their hunt for Rojo Octubre today.
14:12 deedbot http://trilema.com/2017/this-blog-is-now-about-bticino-and-other-coinsiderations/ << Trilema - This blog is now about Bticino, and other coinsiderations
14:12 mircea_popescu sorry to disappoint everyone ; but i've sold all my bitcoin and am 100% bticino hodler nao. this is the right fork guyse as it will totally win the letter ordering debate and is supported by broad letter consensus. see you all @moon soon.
14:13 mod6 <+shinohai> Afternoon mod6 o/ << o7
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14:28 ben_vulpes relevant barf from a failure to emerge 'dev-lang/gnat-gpl'
14:28 ben_vulpes http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/HTCnr/?raw=true
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14:53 jurov ben_vulpes: i'd try to disable the cxx useflag (or maybe all useflags the package has, for that matter)
14:54 jurov because nfi what gnat needs C++ for
15:00 ben_vulpes mm i'll try that; gentoo wiki ada page said to make ADAFLAGS=${CFLAGS} ty jurov
15:13 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-18#1740326 << what's in yer gcc-config ?
15:13 a111 Logged on 2017-11-18 19:28 ben_vulpes: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/HTCnr/?raw=true
15:13 asciilifeform or alternatively, what do you get out of gcc --version ?
15:19 mircea_popescu awww y nobody cares about bticino!
15:21 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-17#1740139 << nb.
15:21 a111 Logged on 2017-11-17 14:20 asciilifeform: back to coreboot, fwiw i have a working build for 'pcengines'
15:22 asciilifeform frabtcino was burned at the stake neh
15:22 asciilifeform or was that sumbdyelse..
15:23 mircea_popescu bt~i~cino!
15:24 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-17#1740158 << not an actual thing yet, just a very loose spec-doodle of an eventual item
15:24 a111 Logged on 2017-11-17 18:52 Ingolfr_Arnarson: And mentioned gossipd was the name of the actual thing.
15:25 mircea_popescu which reminds me, RagnarDanneskjol anything re http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-06#1733207 ?
15:25 a111 Logged on 2017-11-06 12:59 mircea_popescu: spend the usual 200 hours/week connected to irc and doing whatever clerical tasks provided. must be native chinese speaker with a reasonable command of english, she's not expected to take calls or anything in it.
15:26 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-17#1740172 << (((blunder)))
15:26 a111 Logged on 2017-11-17 19:49 ben_vulpes: hmac blunder also epic
15:28 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-17#1740178 << much in the way usg had a frigate^H^H^H^H littolol combat ship
15:28 a111 Logged on 2017-11-17 20:09 ben_vulpes: lol argentina had a submarine?! https://www.nytimes.com/2017/11/17/world/americas/argentina-submarine-missing.html
15:33 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-17#1740187 << how the fuck does deflating the hedge-fund-masquerading-as-college bubble hurt the fucking niggers being used as enablers ?
15:33 a111 Logged on 2017-11-17 20:44 asciilifeform: in other butthurts, https://archive.is/nw25r >> 'For M.I.T. students, this waiver keeps us from having to pay a bill of about $50,000 every year — a staggering amount, but one that is similar to the fees at many other colleges and universities. ... But under the House’s tax bill, our waivers will be taxed. This means that M.I.T. graduate students would be responsible for paying taxes on a $80,000 annual salary, when we actually e
15:33 mircea_popescu graduate student just as 100% idle hopeless underproducing hyperconsumer with or without rule.
15:34 mircea_popescu $50k a year "staggering ammount", dork wants to pretend like he has anything to say on any topic ? POOR PEOPLE MAY NOT SPEAK.
15:34 mircea_popescu go make some fucking money!
15:40 mircea_popescu https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nuvPhAuQFD4 << "this is over. what are you ? face facts. you're a schmuck, calling himself "graduate student" who shags my receptionist and then wants to sit at the grown-up table talking science. but it's my fault. i aaaalmost took you seriously. please go away! we have absolutely nothing to talk about. you have nothing in your pockets! you are not an agent here. you are not an agent at all!"
15:44 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: it's 'staggering amount' to the derp who is in the 0% tax bracket today but would theoretically live in the 40% if the discount were to be counted ( as it by all rights oughta ) as income
15:44 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-17#1740192 << mit was struck ; it's only now figuring it out.
15:44 a111 Logged on 2017-11-17 20:54 asciilifeform: not that usd is required to obey conservation of mass, but possibly mit is about to be struck off the list of folx having the crown privilege to make it appear and disappear on command in this way.
15:45 mircea_popescu which is the real lulz behind that "decimation of american productivity". usg.blue lost "american" trademark, did not REALISE this ; lost also tax immunities, and HAD NO IDEA. only approximation is a cow so dumb it only notices someone cut off its legs when trying to stand up.
15:45 mircea_popescu asciilifeform it's a staggering ammount to the schmuck who fucks my receptionist because i can't be arsed to kill flies yet goes about pretending is human being and all that.
15:46 mircea_popescu no graduate student is a person, nor ever was, wtf already.
15:47 asciilifeform at this point i suspect the remaining ones are, to a man, chinese coolies. send'em a tax bill, they'll shrug and take it home to pekin when their tour of duty ends, frame on a wall.
15:48 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-17#1740200 << reminds me about that sf piece of alt-world in which time machine was invented but restricted to "academic and research usage", wherein a dude discovers all the "primitive savages" he is "studying" are similar students, they're4 basically studying each other's execution of what they themselves think past wast.
15:48 a111 Logged on 2017-11-17 20:59 ben_vulpes: unrelolted: http://www.fox2detroit.com/news/local-news/detroit-police-officers-fight-each-other-in-undercover-op-gone-wrong
15:49 mircea_popescu asciilifeform i've known more than one fellow with a "us court conviction" so framed and displayed. amusingly enough, these are STILL produced.
15:49 asciilifeform mechanical process
15:49 mircea_popescu recently, gave a bunch of chinese intel workers this distinction. it's practically speaking the Order Of UStards are Retarded, first class.
15:50 mircea_popescu put it right next to the Legion d'Honneur etc foreign insignia.
15:50 asciilifeform 'i have two death sentences from clitler in absentia!' 'but i have three, nyahaha!'
15:50 mircea_popescu quite
15:51 mircea_popescu some people had from hitler AND dej. i guess none of them will ALSO have from bahamas.
15:51 mircea_popescu it'd have made a nice triplet tbh.
15:51 mircea_popescu "the all-socialisms chivalric orders corner"
15:55 mircea_popescu asciilifeform but anyway, no. "graduate student" is 100% the human composition of wikipedia, reddit etc.
15:56 asciilifeform it's a massive and varied refuse pile. the technical types are ~100% cn.
15:56 mircea_popescu there's the chinese coolies who grad student in places where work is required ; then there's the poor-but-stupid us-born tard, who graduatestudents where no work is required, spends day being "expert" online
15:57 * asciilifeform only personally toiled with the former
15:57 mircea_popescu http://trilema.com/2016/superficial-ustardian-onanism-suto/ is teh word for the bulk of 'em
15:59 mircea_popescu (with, of course, the all important http://trilema.com/2017/global-warming-on-triton/#footnote_0_71308 correlate)
15:59 mircea_popescu THAT is what esl speaker has in mind when saying "grad student".
16:03 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-17#1740234 << dexonline.ro has a large and afaik downloadable db.
16:03 a111 Logged on 2017-11-17 23:07 asciilifeform: http://www.free-soft.ro/everest/everest.html has nominally ~200k but is malwareware and enciphered db ( i dun currently have time to break the delphiturd and extract the key, sadly )
16:03 mircea_popescu i'd propose it as the standard. explicative dictionary, of course, not "translative" dictionary. this is the correct approach btw, "translation" dictionary is made of 100% sheer nonsense and not to be touched.
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16:04 mircea_popescu now, the item suffers from the EXTREME braindamagedness of romanian academics, 1967-2017, and is consequently not nearly as useful as could be ; most definitions are severely broken logically, even if heuristically usable.
16:05 mircea_popescu but this is an universal problem of all languages advanced enough to have a dictionary -- the "scholars" are too dumb to produce the correct item.
16:05 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-17#1740235 << ew that sux.
16:05 a111 Logged on 2017-11-17 23:56 lobbes: update on archive-o-tron: Looks like leveraging archive.is is getting nowhere fast; according to the archive.is d00d 'download .zip is actually broken'
16:06 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-17#1740240 << use wget-of-archive-page and zip that!
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16:06 a111 Logged on 2017-11-17 23:59 lobbes: damn
16:08 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-18#1740244 << amusingly, the evident "constant upgrades philosophy stranded ycombinator" angle unvoiced.
16:08 a111 Logged on 2017-11-18 00:06 BingoBoingo: In still coaster lollers: "Thiel's departure from Y Combinator was not previously announced. It comes long after Y Combinator president Sam Altman defended Thiel's role at the accelerator, following criticism of Thiel's support of then-presidential candidate Donald Trump. A source close to Y Combinator said that the company ended its part-time partners program, which Thiel was a part of, some time last year. While some other part-time
16:08 mircea_popescu because clearly what's important is the pantsuitism not teh reality.
16:09 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-18#1740246 << "as many as 150" is a very lulzy statement on the importance of democracy / community / etcetera.
16:09 a111 Logged on 2017-11-18 00:19 shinohai: http://archive.is/07Oas <<< I guess no use going thru the trouble of shutting down the sybil nodes or w/e
16:12 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-18#1740380 << dafuq, how's a n00b supposed to work with an adult dictionary ?!
16:12 a111 Logged on 2017-11-18 21:03 mircea_popescu: i'd propose it as the standard. explicative dictionary, of course, not "translative" dictionary. this is the correct approach btw, "translation" dictionary is made of 100% sheer nonsense and not to be touched.
16:12 mircea_popescu same way children do it.
16:13 asciilifeform children got their fw preflashed.
16:13 mircea_popescu no such thing.
16:13 mircea_popescu the way adult woman is deflowered is EXACTLY same way she'd have been deflowered at 14, were she not a retard at 14 : cock goes in.
16:14 mircea_popescu there's no special procedure for any age, hole, or circumstance of any kind. always the same process.
16:14 asciilifeform 'get a harem of aboriginals, fughetabout dictionaries' such classic road cone.
16:16 mircea_popescu jussssst dooo it!
16:18 mircea_popescu "romanian-english dictionary" is the exact equivalent of programming in "microsoft visual c".
16:18 mircea_popescu even if your binary runs, your brain suffered in the process.
16:22 asciilifeform i'll still take it over 'learn from context' nonsense.
16:25 mircea_popescu sure.
16:31 mircea_popescu it's not FORBIDDEN. but if you insist to break the "why do you think you have anything to SAY yet" rule and instead of reading ro text with ro explicative dictionary as per http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-09#1580455 jump ahead to trying to ~produce~ ro text on the basis of your english ideas augmented by a english-to-ro translateatron, the result will be that you'll end up with a subset of romanian as permitted by your english
16:31 a111 Logged on 2016-12-09 16:12 mircea_popescu: trinque the method i recommend, if you care, is to work selections of classical texts with the dictionary ; then proceed to answer any systematic questions you have when you're sick of the slog.
16:31 mircea_popescu vocabulary and general language propriety ; and consequently miss out on most of the gains from http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-21#1587276
16:31 a111 Logged on 2016-12-21 18:32 mircea_popescu: because no, words don't "have meanings". your meanings for ANY WORD are a function of ALL THE OTHER WORDS YOU KNOW. which is why my definitions regularily blow out english dictionaries, wikipedia and other sources of "wisdom" out of the water - i know more words, and in this knowledge i know all the words i know ~better~. infinitely and irreproducibly so.
16:31 mircea_popescu gains ~not just for the "new" language~! the old one as well! i'm a much better english speaker than absolutely any esl speaker BECAUSE i speak a bunch of other languages that ARE NOT english, which STRENGTHENS my english.
16:32 mircea_popescu exactly as per that http://trilema.com/2017/this-blog-is-now-about-bticino-and-other-coinsiderations/#footnote_8_75919 fuckbridge note.
16:34 asciilifeform i won't disagree that translative dictionary is only good for reaching takeoff velocity, and folx who try to ~write~ using one, rather than using years of actual literature eaten, are in a state of sin
16:34 asciilifeform but you somehow gotta get to that takeoff, and not everyone has dirigible.
16:36 asciilifeform also i will note that english is a pretty poor example for this thread, it is missing so many pieces that folx who ~think~ in it are visibly handicapped in all walks of life, not merely for learning ro
16:51 mircea_popescu you get to this takeoff in the manner children do, which is : be seen and not heard. you... read.
16:51 mircea_popescu until you have enough familiarity for the proper dict to be useful to you, you don't properly speaking have anything to say.
16:52 asciilifeform to say ? noshit, no
16:52 mircea_popescu i can't answer for others, but i, a man with no particular place to go and no specific time to be there, find in general the approach endlessly entertaining. go into a two day loop through whatever lang's dict after having read a phrase in some classical work.
16:52 mircea_popescu it's why i won't learn subhuman languages, such as anything black people ever made : not NEARLY enough classics to keep me interested in this manner.
16:53 mircea_popescu this is also why i've not learned say sanskrit, and why i despise indians as the cultural construct. bitch, interrupted classics isn't a qualifier, if all the jews had ended in 300 ad they'd be in the same pot.
16:53 asciilifeform no classics -- monkeylang. dun see what to disagree with.
16:54 mircea_popescu now, one could say "but of course, mp is rich, man of leisure". except... i STILL didn't have a particular destination / timetable as an eight year old. if anyone's ever poorer than a child...
16:54 asciilifeform interrupted classics are of interest to archaeologist.
16:54 mircea_popescu asciilifeform they can take their "yoni"s and shove them, i'm too busy archeologisting actual things to be bothgered with "but mp, before going to shit india was interesting". had i lived before it went to shit, i might've persuaded by this.
16:55 mircea_popescu "but mp, if you don't study failures how to avoid mistakes ???" "study non-failures and non-do what they didn't do either!" wtf, ima have to look at anything but WORKING engine to establish how to not make engine ? pshaw.
16:56 asciilifeform learnable-from failures are a rare luxury even in engineering
16:56 mircea_popescu almost 0 shits given to "after ww2 but before clinton, america the great" wank for very much this reason, actually.
16:56 asciilifeform normally 'it burned down and who the fuck knows why'
16:56 mircea_popescu asciilifeform learnable failures are always the byproduct of an eventuallty successful complete tree.
16:57 mircea_popescu absent either the eventually or the complete... it's back to black monkeys picking through each other's fur.
16:59 asciilifeform returning to dictionaries -- it's a piton, for penetrating the otherwise impenetrable n00b texts ( e.g. children's lit ) . not a 'hey i am nigerian and i found an englisch dictionary and nao i speak to you about our road to riches and fame'
16:59 mircea_popescu which they do, endlessly entertainingly. let me show you the most recent :
17:00 mircea_popescu http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/fhGdV/?raw=true << the married miss and other gems of nigerian classical thought.
17:01 asciilifeform lol, nao this is a first on asciilifeform's watch, ro spamola
17:01 mircea_popescu aha
17:02 mircea_popescu i get abo9ut one a week but this one's very good
17:02 asciilifeform the 'Dacă doriți să vă recuperați ex' is so very orc
17:02 diana_coman ahahahah "dacă aveți probleme care vă ajută"
17:02 asciilifeform 'cast this spell to regain yer boyfriend'
17:02 mircea_popescu diana_coman solvind!
17:02 asciilifeform iirc about half of voodoo repertoire is re this
17:03 shinohai Since it is from Romanian brujas, I bet it worx
17:03 diana_coman mircea_popescu, I'd say plenty *poorer* than children actually; I can't see how is "adult" with debt and whatnot "richer" than child
17:03 asciilifeform ^^^
17:03 asciilifeform the 8yo, with 0 homework etc is in his eden.
17:03 mircea_popescu diana_coman but constructs OF STUPIDITY have no bearing on the actual reality. child is, natura nuda, poorest thing that can exist.
17:03 mircea_popescu can't even walk into a bar walk away with a woman.
17:04 mircea_popescu this deep, overwhelming poverty of childhood is what eg malena hero struggles with.
17:04 asciilifeform but dun gotta work.
17:04 mircea_popescu nobody gotta work.
17:04 mircea_popescu everyone works by choice.
17:04 asciilifeform ahahahaha roadcone
17:04 mircea_popescu oya.
17:04 mircea_popescu incidentally, walked past item in market yest, "and god walked the earth, and came upon a man who was so very poor
17:04 shinohai In the latest US Naval mishaps: http://archive.is/krIMV
17:04 mircea_popescu all he had was money."
17:04 diana_coman well, I get what you mean i.e. that's the zero, yes; however ...constructs of stupidity do...exist, what can I say
17:05 mircea_popescu surely they do exist.
17:05 mircea_popescu and people who cut off their own leg to spite the doctor do exist from what i hear.
17:05 mircea_popescu what can you do ?
17:05 asciilifeform shinohai: text obscured by crapolade, unreadable
17:05 shinohai http://time.com/5030829/uss-benfold-tug-boat-collision/
17:05 shinohai yeah fuck Time
17:07 mircea_popescu asciilifeform you'd love archeology by the way. half the job is "here's this pile of relations with no cognitive correlate. please explain."
17:07 mircea_popescu usually this returns "religious artefact AND GET THE FUCK OUT OF MY OFFICE". understandably.
17:08 mircea_popescu hermeneutics, amirite. "how to map complex structures".
17:09 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: reversing winturds, possibly surprisingly, is little different : a good 80% of the binturd has no arithmetical reason for being there
17:10 diana_coman make a not that there are negative, "non-natural" numbers, what else is there to do, lol
17:10 asciilifeform ( or greater %, if item is product of deliberate obfuscation, rather than merely microshit )
17:10 diana_coman or a knot I suppose; note*
17:14 ben_vulpes asciilifeform: the box that barfed uses gcc 5.4.0
17:15 shinohai ben_vulpes: I had 0 luck until gcc 4.9.4
17:17 asciilifeform ben_vulpes: linker in 5 is incompatible with 4, likely explains such cases
17:17 asciilifeform the surest pill is simply not to have 5 on the box. at. all.
17:18 ben_vulpes asciilifeform: i tried recently to build a chroot with 4 from the machine with 5 to no avail
17:18 asciilifeform nao iirc there is finally a gnat built on 5. but i have not tried it, and can't yet think of a reason to try it
17:18 asciilifeform ben_vulpes: once you have 5, yer pretty much phuqed
17:18 asciilifeform faster to format the hdd and start again, than to try to manually separate the flies from the cutlets.
17:19 ben_vulpes hey trinque do you still have that script for "infectious gentoo"? i might be able to get my old closet iron with 4.9 to build a respectable userland
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17:19 ben_vulpes asciilifeform: yeah i have now pissed upon this electrified fence as well
17:21 ben_vulpes i couldn't find a stage3 with 4.9 on it when i needed it for this machine, and so got 'phuqed'
17:22 ben_vulpes republic really doesn't have repeatable steps for building a gentoo with gcc 4.9, does it
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17:22 ben_vulpes "step 1: build a gentoo five years ago"
17:23 asciilifeform better 10, lol
17:23 ben_vulpes right?
17:23 asciilifeform ben_vulpes: sure it does. use my useflags banlist, and include gcc >= 5
17:24 asciilifeform !!up gabriel_laddel
17:24 deedbot gabriel_laddel voiced for 30 minutes.
17:24 mircea_popescu asciilifeform i am well aware, yeh
17:25 ben_vulpes asciilifeform: i did that, but i believe that 5 snuck in from stage3. at the time i got loads of errors about 5 being present on the system in violation of use flag specification, attempted to purge but this did not result in a usable box somehow
17:27 mircea_popescu o hey, ignoring flags nao ?
17:28 asciilifeform stage3 method ( the only one supported by post-infiltration gentoo ) is a tar fulla binturds
17:28 asciilifeform so no, flags dun help there.
17:28 ben_vulpes more likely i made a mistake
17:28 ben_vulpes oh, mistake was to stage3
17:30 mircea_popescu ic
17:30 ben_vulpes i don't really know how to apply your use flags to the creation of a new gentoo then. i do have an older gentoo box that is pretty faithful to the crapolade flags, has gcc but don't really have a map for making that produce a root fs that i can put on another box or what even the correct way to go about doing what i want to do
17:30 ben_vulpes (gcc 4.9.4)
17:31 ben_vulpes gabriel_laddel: what'd the lawyer say?
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17:31 asciilifeform ben_vulpes: i'd like to find a pill for this problem that doesn't involve preserving a magic binturd in amber
17:31 asciilifeform ( yes i could post a known-worked stage3. but eww )
17:32 ben_vulpes yeah i have one of those as well but also ew
17:32 ben_vulpes doesn't gcc itself count as a magic binturd?
17:32 asciilifeform it does if you magicize a compiled gcc sure
17:32 asciilifeform but notion of unix is that you can take whatever c compiler you got, and bootstrap
17:33 mircea_popescu we have gcc 4.9.x source then ?
17:33 mircea_popescu and for that matter, evidently "whaterver you got" dun include post wreckage gcc 5+
17:33 asciilifeform aha. but you can't build it with 5, apparently.
17:33 mircea_popescu asciilifeform where is it ?
17:33 asciilifeform mod6's mirror
17:34 asciilifeform http://thebitcoin.foundation/trb-howto.html << grep for gcc
17:34 shinohai Tis on shithub too https://github.com/gcc-mirror/gcc/releases/tag/gcc-4_9_4-release
17:34 mircea_popescu !#s gcc mirror
17:34 a111 2 results for "gcc mirror", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=gcc%20mirror
17:34 asciilifeform ' 0x17) Get http://deedbot.org/deed-427443-5.txt : name it 'gcc-4.9.2.tar.bz2.asc' '
17:34 asciilifeform shinohai: fughet shithub
17:34 mircea_popescu nice work mod6
17:35 asciilifeform it's part of the rotor flow, gotta be there
17:35 mircea_popescu aha.
17:35 shinohai Ah yeah somehow I had forgotten that *DUH* is part of trb
17:35 asciilifeform recall, original 'gcc5 is fatally touched' discovery happened on n00bz building rotors
17:35 mircea_popescu yup
17:37 ben_vulpes asciilifeform: couldja sketch how this pill might work for me?
17:37 asciilifeform ben_vulpes: ideally would work on all known c compiler, and from there build gcc buildroot-style, and from there - world
17:37 mircea_popescu ben_vulpes ride the rotor train all the way to there then have it build whatever it is you're building.
17:38 asciilifeform i've thought about investigating whether gcc4 can be made to build on fabrice bellard's tinycc
17:38 ben_vulpes heh i was just reading about that
17:38 asciilifeform which in turn builds on just about anything vaguely c-flavoured
17:38 ben_vulpes makes elfs and everything
17:40 ben_vulpes mircea_popescu: "whatever it is you're building" is "gentoo", and what goes into that is still a mystery to me
17:41 ben_vulpes "babbys first linux distro"
17:41 * ben_vulpes bbl
17:43 mircea_popescu mmm, i dunno that we have a gentoo equivalent of this deeded anywhere.
17:45 mircea_popescu aand in other cultural superiorities, https://archive.is/PYLfT#selection-857.111-863.79
17:45 asciilifeform dafuq's that
17:46 mircea_popescu huffpo
17:52 mircea_popescu (to explain the lulz : huffpo penned piece about gervais, whio's still active and who did whatever huffpo-demo interest item recently ; upon deciding they want to write it up they proceeded to "do research" in "depth" as such works ; as it happens trilema owns millions of "long tail" items, including as the case is here whatever-they-searched-about either cemetery junction or gervais or some combination of other words. eviden
17:52 mircea_popescu tly did not read the article, but hey.)
17:52 mircea_popescu the point being that the pantsuit machine RELIES on there not existing toxicitems in the environment, because the whole thing is so least-effort driven as to directly uptake them if present.
17:52 asciilifeform it reads like perlade
17:53 mircea_popescu as opposed to which part of libertard discourse ?
17:53 asciilifeform as opposed to where they still have meat in the loop
17:54 asciilifeform ( pre-'millenial' meat )
17:54 mircea_popescu this is perl-on-suto aka "graduate student"
17:54 mircea_popescu this is what the empire is.
17:54 asciilifeform deedbot removes voice from gabriel_laddel << poor d00d, must've amputated hands nao, not only feet
17:57 mircea_popescu in other lulz, looking through logs we notice trilema served 1.5mn pages... earlier today, during four hours or so. this is usually a week or two's worth.
17:58 mircea_popescu so ima have to alter that http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-18#1740276 to moar like 50k to reflect this new record.
17:58 a111 Logged on 2017-11-18 15:58 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-17#1740127 << i wouldn't be too worried, trilema serves up to 5k simultaneous connections off a single box.
17:59 asciilifeform lol all wp pingback ddosolade ?
17:59 asciilifeform or not all
18:00 mircea_popescu superficially seems like all sorts ; kinda not have the time now to feed a quarter gb log through summarizer.
18:02 mircea_popescu anyway, over 1TB burned, month half way. blog infrastructure liek bitcoin infrastructure in more ways than one.
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18:37 deedbot http://www.contravex.com/2017/11/18/specs-and-designs-for-the-first-ever-blockheight-timepieces/ << Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski - Specs and designs for the first ever Blockheight Timepieces.
18:37 pete_dushenski pete_dushenski: here now
18:38 pete_dushenski mircea_popescu: ^
18:38 mircea_popescu in other grandeurs, this place is a bona fida meteorological observatory. i sat over pasta and watched a complete cloud system move across the sky. here the sky's blue, here's the coming cloud front, there's rain...
18:46 pete_dushenski sounds a lot like teh prairies except in cr you can't see spot running away for weeks
18:49 asciilifeform Radio Wave at 40 kHz, 60kHz, 68.5 kHz, and 77.5kHzv – GPS signal at 1575.42 MHzvi – LTE with eSIM at 2600 MHzvii << bahahahahwat ntp thread alloveragain ?!
18:49 asciilifeform and kanzure's bch satellite.
18:51 pete_dushenski asciilifeform: how'd you approach the problem of frequently updated blockheight on the wrist ? well, "problem"...
18:52 pete_dushenski it's gedankenexperiment
18:52 asciilifeform shortwave. from festung mircea_popescustein's 500kW transmitter.
18:52 asciilifeform wearer's body as antenna.
18:53 pete_dushenski so wouldn't update if owner took off to, say, take a shower ?
18:53 asciilifeform nope
18:53 asciilifeform why wouldja care what it does when yer not wearing it
18:53 asciilifeform it's a clock.
18:53 asciilifeform connect to stationary antenna if you must have it show output on yer desk.
18:54 pete_dushenski aha
18:54 pete_dushenski ya, i was thinking of desk scenario
18:54 pete_dushenski stationary antenna worx
18:55 mod6 <+mircea_popescu> nice work mod6 << Thx, cheers!
18:59 pete_dushenski in other technical considerations, "this is not a pig" http://frgdr.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/02/jerusalem-biblical-zoo_peccary-sign_yiddish.jpg
19:01 * pete_dushenski had bacon-wrapped figs at girl's office xmas party last night (it was -20C so felt plenty xmassy). delicious with italian red wine.
19:12 pete_dushenski http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-13#1737162 << very neato.
19:12 a111 Logged on 2017-11-13 05:49 ag3nt_zer0: Never been in a place that has equaled that in regards to my definition of a warm home... looking forward to learning more of Ingels
19:17 pete_dushenski http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-14#1737340 << tesla isn't going anywhere. has now released "semi-truck" and "roadster 2.0" with which to continue the endless dangle of consumer tech disruption, always 3 years into the future. elon is the master of no bread today but e-cake tmrw.
19:17 a111 Logged on 2017-11-14 00:55 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-13#1737193 << in no sense more terminal than say apple.
19:28 shinohai Nifty sketches there pete_dushenski
19:40 pete_dushenski shinohai: heh they're really not much
19:43 shinohai Well certainly better than *some* things I have seen. I at least didn't go "wtf am I looking at?" lol
19:49 pete_dushenski lol art school was almost 20 years ago now, but i guess not never
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20:57 asciilifeform meanwhile, on asciilifeform's vivisection table : http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-17#1740234 >>> becomes >>> http://www.loper-os.org/pub/ro_eng_ascii.txt
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20:57 a111 Logged on 2017-11-17 23:07 asciilifeform: http://www.free-soft.ro/everest/everest.html has nominally ~200k but is malwareware and enciphered db ( i dun currently have time to break the delphiturd and extract the key, sadly )
20:57 asciilifeform sha512sum == 8d98e23900035eae68632746c9b1fb6c39fecd98c1434bf5e86af9b3d0f26bc56a9c33bf99afc5a3624914dccd0902922eeaf4f34194ea680641a4c9ff80d74e
20:57 asciilifeform 133333337 w4r3z!!!
20:58 asciilifeform caveat : it's a spoil of war, i cannot guarantee the contents, could have some qty of any degree of nonsense in there.
21:00 asciilifeform caveat x2 : no îțâșă . but it was missing in the original, i did not remove it. ascii-only, in the derp's original, e.g. 'uşă' turns into 'usa'.
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21:01 asciilifeform ( n00bz -- see also http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-24#1728148 )
21:01 a111 Logged on 2017-10-24 18:25 mircea_popescu: say îțâșă lol
21:04 asciilifeform ben_vulpes pete_dushenski & other potential rotakus ^
21:05 shinohai neat asciilifeform greatly appreciated.
21:06 asciilifeform it would be rather difficult for it to be worse than google's idiocy
21:06 asciilifeform though admittedly possible.
21:06 asciilifeform and you can use it offline, with grep. which is why i even wanted one.
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21:08 asciilifeform mircea_popescu is prolly looking for a bucket large enuff to properly barf into, at this point, lol
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21:11 asciilifeform i deduplicated it and reversed ( sorted by ro ) before posting , 148469 lines . but some of the 'words' can be only with difficulty called words.
21:11 asciilifeform e.g. ' ciclu format din atomi de carbon`carboatomic ring ' and the like.
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21:12 asciilifeform address all complaints to the original idjit, who stole it from fuck-knows-where and felt compelled to crypt it and obfuscate his winturd so that presumably others could not easily find what he ripped off
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21:14 asciilifeform afaik this item is the only plaintext ro/eng dict on the entire net currently...
21:15 * asciilifeform bbl,meat.
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22:14 mircea_popescu !~ticker --market all
22:14 jhvh1 mircea_popescu: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 7809.89, vol: 5947.42955655 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 7820.0, vol: 31131.60224221 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 7794.9, vol: 2202.70778376 | Volume-weighted last average: 7817.06182874
22:15 mircea_popescu !!pay pete_dushenski 1
22:15 deedbot Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/bmggA/?raw=true
22:22 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-19#1740583 << from a cursory review this is an old dex (the substance of the originally quoted dexonline item ; 1970s ro dictionary) coupled with an altogether dubious, but broadly workable translatatron. not useless.
22:22 a111 Logged on 2017-11-19 01:57 asciilifeform: meanwhile, on asciilifeform's vivisection table : http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-17#1740234 >>> becomes >>> http://www.loper-os.org/pub/ro_eng_ascii.txt
22:22 scriba TypeError: argument of type 'NoneType' is not iterable (file "modules/archive.py", line 59, in archive_a_url)
22:25 mircea_popescu clica evidently clique not clan ; clichet evidently clicket, it is after all a cc etc.
22:34 mircea_popescu îțâșă << it's apparently disappeared from the internets altogether. ima dig up teh originating site one of these days.
22:35 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-19#1740595 << this, very muchly. most of the problem of "but mp, i have no way to search BY DEFINITION!!1" is compensated by escaping from the idiocy of book. yes there is way to search by definition, that's what log search is even used for 90% of the time!
22:35 a111 Logged on 2017-11-19 02:06 asciilifeform: and you can use it offline, with grep. which is why i even wanted one.
22:36 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-19#1740596 << nah. the principal sad of that item is that it excludes the phonetic transcription -- which'd allow it to also function as eg rhyming dict. this is a mixed blessing -- the original it evidently copies did include it ; BUT it wasn't written in proper ipa.
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22:36 a111 Logged on 2017-11-19 02:08 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu is prolly looking for a bucket large enuff to properly barf into, at this point, lol
22:37 mircea_popescu because romanians are idiots, and especially romanian linguists.
22:38 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-19#1740599 << this'd be 99% of the windows-space "software development", starting with bill gates' original "work". as you say above, "foss'd have been hard pressed to be worse than alternative"
22:38 a111 Logged on 2017-11-19 02:12 asciilifeform: address all complaints to the original idjit, who stole it from fuck-knows-where and felt compelled to crypt it and obfuscate his winturd so that presumably others could not easily find what he ripped off
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22:58 BingoBoingo <mircea_popescu> graduate student just as 100% idle hopeless underproducing hyperconsumer with or without rule. << Only not completely hopeless if graduated in 2012 and found proto-republic in 2013, to be evaled after arriving in Montevideo
22:58 mircea_popescu i prefer to think of you as an ex-drunk than as an ex-gradstud
22:59 BingoBoingo <asciilifeform> mircea_popescu: it's 'staggering amount' to the derp who is in the 0% tax bracket today but would theoretically live in the 40% if the discount were to be counted ( as it by all rights oughta ) as income << Not a staggering amount because jello shots are three for a dollar and after 30 of them sure staggering, what are numbers?
23:01 BingoBoingo <mircea_popescu> http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-18#1740244 << amusingly, the evident "constant upgrades philosophy stranded ycombinator" angle unvoiced. << Naturally
23:01 a111 Logged on 2017-11-18 00:06 BingoBoingo: In still coaster lollers: "Thiel's departure from Y Combinator was not previously announced. It comes long after Y Combinator president Sam Altman defended Thiel's role at the accelerator, following criticism of Thiel's support of then-presidential candidate Donald Trump. A source close to Y Combinator said that the company ended its part-time partners program, which Thiel was a part of, some time last year. While some other part-time
23:05 BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: I dunno if there's much difference, but if I was not drunk to be ex-drunk the grad student retardation may have been stickier
23:05 BingoBoingo Cheap Vodka: Vessel of salvation AND harbringer of impending doom!
23:06 mircea_popescu quite exactly. "i dunno if there's any difference, but if i weren't slutty enough to be a whore my marriage may have not ended". doh.
23:06 BingoBoingo lol
23:11 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-19#1740613 << if sumbody posts a ro-to-en ( or i'd much prefer a ru, say ) dict that is less radiationdamaged -- i'll use that , and throw the current one out. until then -- it's ~the~ dict.
23:11 a111 Logged on 2017-11-19 03:36 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-19#1740596 << nah. the principal sad of that item is that it excludes the phonetic transcription -- which'd allow it to also function as eg rhyming dict. this is a mixed blessing -- the original it evidently copies did include it ; BUT it wasn't written in proper ipa.
23:12 * asciilifeform doesn't plan to spend a long time needing one , but currently will admit to it
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