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00:00 mircea_popescu BingoBoingo breakdown of that 19k is the paramount consideratyion here. be detailed.
00:08 BingoBoingo I am glad to offer: 6283 (or 5150, unclear yet if VAT'd) off the shelf SA corp including lawyer, notary, and accountant fees, 1500 to set up the rack, 600 to LACNIC as a nano size ISP for IP allotment, 5335 for first month's rack rent, 341 for fiscal address and space with lock 24/7 access to coffee pot, 1200 budgeted to switch and router (actual likely closer to half that), 3200 putting Bingo in Montevideo (actual likely less budgeting
00:08 BingoBoingo worse case). Pls to let me know if sane, other expenses to expect, or if more fat to cut.
00:10 BingoBoingo Also 541 USd padding for surprises
00:10 mircea_popescu jesus that's an expensive corp. 60x what rando us agent charges for a scorp ?
00:10 mircea_popescu don't mix reserves and costs, it confuses thinking.
00:11 mircea_popescu 3200 putting Bingo in Montevideo being what, plane ticket + what exactly ?
00:11 BingoBoingo The goverment's fees for an SA are ~1500
00:11 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: is that a yr's worth of accountant ?
00:11 asciilifeform or month, or wat
00:11 BingoBoingo Plane + hotel bundle eyeballed off of expedia
00:12 mircea_popescu don't bundle.
00:12 BingoBoingo asciilifeform: Transaction's worth.
00:13 mircea_popescu iirc my argentine corp cost me about $700 or so to set up, though i was being generous with teh locals.
00:13 mircea_popescu BingoBoingo is this google produced gringo scalper ? or local anything ?
00:14 BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: Gringo attorney in Montevideo.
00:14 BingoBoingo Searching for cheaper off the shelf corps, but none yet found
00:14 mircea_popescu it's utterly not worth paying 6k for this as it is.
00:15 mircea_popescu BingoBoingo at this point i'd rather give up trying to find non-tards online, go to lawyer in uruguay have it set up there. you can internetr just as well from uruguay as from illinois or what was it.
00:16 mircea_popescu when were you leaving, early dec was it ?
00:17 BingoBoingo Aiming to leave between December 1st and December 4th
00:18 mircea_popescu aite, so you land in uruguay, find yourself student girlie helper + reasonable place to dorm in, then find lawyer get corp sorted out.
00:18 mircea_popescu dja get the tickets reserved/paid/what is it ?
00:18 BingoBoingo Not reserved yet. This is the sanity checking before reserving things.
00:18 mircea_popescu go ahead. how much are you getting charged ?
00:21 mircea_popescu copa services ORD-MVD at ~1.3k fwis. not even bad. you getting that ?
00:23 BingoBoingo I am seeing 1150-1250
00:24 mircea_popescu plus fees. aite, so go for it. change teh patrimonial bitcoin to have cash if you need. or do you have spare cash ?
00:24 mircea_popescu !~ticker --market all
00:24 jhvh1 mircea_popescu: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 7833.56, vol: 21452.45181747 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 7849.7, vol: 96288.38088123 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 7849.2, vol: 8511.81098169 | Volume-weighted last average: 7846.92383257
00:24 mircea_popescu not even terrible.
00:24 BingoBoingo cash reserves are low while in US
00:25 mircea_popescu BingoBoingo trade teh bitcoin out then, buy your ticket, go there with a gangsta roll.
00:25 BingoBoingo k
00:25 mircea_popescu did you check local bitcoins and whatnot to see how your cashflow promises to be there ?
00:25 mircea_popescu montevideo + buenos aires (it's a few hours by boat/bus away sorta deal)
00:26 BingoBoingo Looks like international wire mostly
00:27 * BingoBoingo needs to check localbitcoins moar
00:27 mircea_popescu look moar insistently lol, network that moved millions back when we were unseating the whore face couldn't have evaporated in less than a year eh.
00:30 * BingoBoingo will also move on coworking space/fiscal address
00:30 mircea_popescu cool. build your network mostly, gotta know useful locals. don't waste your time with the losers more than it takes to discover loseracy.
00:31 * BingoBoingo plans to start the networking with AA meetings, leverage that seekrit society
00:32 mircea_popescu whatsoever works. coworker space, hostel, talk to the whores, talk to the students, as long as you talk to people...
00:33 mircea_popescu just don't do stupid shit like puting up in hotels / eating at restaurants etc. follow teh backpacker crowd around, it's where teh hustle begins.
00:34 BingoBoingo AHA, hotel is pretty much the same wherever you hotel.
00:36 mircea_popescu we get to find out how nimble bb is on his feet!
00:37 BingoBoingo That we will. Maybe I even fall!
00:37 BingoBoingo Into pretty Brazilian vacation girls
00:37 mircea_popescu lol
00:38 mircea_popescu a yeah, pack a camera, you'll get to give my travel posts a run for their money eh.
00:39 BingoBoingo A camera is has
00:44 * BingoBoingo to put "2 week notice" @ BingoBoingo Store on tomorrow's do list
00:44 ben_vulpes wd
00:44 ben_vulpes BingoBoingo: i'm in for 2
00:46 ben_vulpes but bbl, off to do some social soldering
00:47 ben_vulpes http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-08#1734752 << forgot to mention: unholy piles of sql too
00:47 a111 Logged on 2017-11-08 23:54 ben_vulpes: cl and legacy pyshits mostly
00:50 BingoBoingo ben_vulpes: ty
00:51 trinque BingoBoingo: idea is we'll ship servers to you once there?
00:51 BingoBoingo trinque: That's the pricing I have figured out so far.
00:57 trinque how many IPs per 1U?
00:57 trinque relevant to carving up a U into VPSen for folks like lobbes
00:59 BingoBoingo trinque: To be determined. Datacenter wants me to get IPs through LACNIC, will assist in the application process, but not guaranteeing anything
01:08 mircea_popescu may take some finagleing, usg.dns decided to be a bitch about ips so as to force ipv6 uptake.
01:08 mircea_popescu that it meanwhile entirely failed isn't gonna percolate to orc bureaucrat heads within the remaining lifetime of teh empire.
01:09 mircea_popescu trinque better idea is that we have to figure out what boards/etc we're buying. a "standard box of the republic".
01:09 * mircea_popescu looked at various would-be standards (earlier "libre" lulz related to this), none are worth two shits.
01:10 mircea_popescu a v-root for proper box software (bios, grub, etc) very much in order also, twinned with box standard.
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01:13 trinque yep, I will have to do some research there myself.
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01:15 * trinque stopped in anger, resolved to use g4 and g5 PPCs in personal infrastructure
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01:34 BingoBoingo <mircea_popescu> trinque better idea is that we have to figure out what boards/etc we're buying. a "standard box of the republic". << AHA, this is why cost of dedi box hosting not yet spec'd
01:35 BingoBoingo Basic box prototype did arrive today. Has been assembled, but not really played with. Likely not too impressive for tasks requiring lots of horsepower.
01:37 BingoBoingo Pero tiene cuatro nucleos y dieciseis GB RAM, so requires playing with
01:37 trinque for the simple webhosting and bothosting cases, of which there oughta be many, max-spec'd machine is not necessary
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01:39 BingoBoingo Hence this is the stab at a basic box. Board widely available, has serial header, but only one ethernet port so not useful as router
01:43 BingoBoingo For webhosting though, one has to remember that hosting typically means MP-WP which can tax a database if the traffic is there
01:45 trinque most sensible databases amount to ramdisk stores on a db that size
01:48 BingoBoingo Still, calls to it add up
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01:51 BingoBoingo <mircea_popescu> may take some finagleing, usg.dns decided to be a bitch about ips so as to force ipv6 uptake. << Either way LACNIC is cheaper/(less competition for space) than APNIC
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06:38 BingoBoingo !~ticker --market all
06:38 jhvh1 BingoBoingo: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 7826.02, vol: 21892.21531492 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 7814.7, vol: 102720.97707639 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 7827.0, vol: 7404.02021221 | Volume-weighted last average: 7817.26700864
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09:06 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-17#1740117 << you can't v-root an item containing binturds. and the only x86 bios without winturds, is for opteron or ancient (pre-2008) intels. with recent chips even binturd-containing coreboot dun work, and yer stuck with the heathen fw shipped in the box.
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09:06 a111 Logged on 2017-11-17 06:10 mircea_popescu: a v-root for proper box software (bios, grub, etc) very much in order also, twinned with box standard.
09:09 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-17#1740119 << similar here, with opterons. but they have the drawbacks already discussed. ( power hungry, run hot, not obtainable in arbitrary qty given as no longer made )
09:09 a111 Logged on 2017-11-17 06:15 trinque stopped in anger, resolved to use g4 and g5 PPCs in personal infrastructure
09:13 * asciilifeform genuinely does not know of anything worth calling 'standard box of the republic'
09:16 asciilifeform !~later tell trinque ever found a rack mount multicore g5?
09:16 jhvh1 asciilifeform: The operation succeeded.
09:17 asciilifeform ( g4, with its 4GB address space, i do not regard as very interesting )
09:20 asciilifeform back to coreboot, fwiw i have a working build for 'pcengines'
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09:21 asciilifeform enough room in the eeprom for a kernel as payload, even.
09:31 diana_coman PeterL and anyone else following along on keccak: 2 more problems found so far in the ada code namely 1. in the pi permutation it's the *output* coordinates that are calculated as Y, 2*X+3*Y based on input at X,Y and not the other way around; 2. at iota the corresponding round constant is xored into a(0,0) only, not into all the lanes of the state (following permutations will propagate the round constant)
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10:11 asciilifeform in other lulz, https://archive.is/p1RZm >> 'Chinese drone maker DJI left the private key for its dot-com's HTTPS certificate exposed on GitHub for up to four years'
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10:46 trinque asciilifeform: beefiest xserve was a dual proc 2.3ghz, tapped out at 16gb ram
10:50 asciilifeform trinque: sounds respectable. are they obtainable ?
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11:05 trinque dwindling but I still find them in the usual places for scrap
11:05 trinque opteron's a safer bet
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11:54 asciilifeform it had similar problems, iirc, to opteron -- ran hot
11:56 asciilifeform i'd quite like to have some bigendian heavy iron for 'biodiversidad'/specificity-of-diddling reason, but afaik there is none to be had ( at least in the weight class of opteron, which can haz in 32cores easily enough )
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13:47 asciilifeform !!up Ingolfr_Arnarson
13:47 deedbot Ingolfr_Arnarson voiced for 30 minutes.
13:48 Ingolfr_Arnarson Thanks
13:48 asciilifeform who might you be, Ingolfr_Arnarson ?
13:50 Ingolfr_Arnarson I was trying to find information on gossipd, followed the 'how to participate in the affairst of the republic' link on the channel automatic text you get when you enter and reached the gossipd design document.
13:51 asciilifeform Ingolfr_Arnarson: anything in particular ?
13:51 Ingolfr_Arnarson any recommendable log to read with more detail on the advance of the project?
13:52 Ingolfr_Arnarson I am just curious because I mentioned the idea of getting rid of dns and someone who actually reads the logs sent me a link to the article about draining the DNS Swamp.
13:52 asciilifeform Ingolfr_Arnarson: it isn't a complicated item, but does demand a sane rsatron
13:52 Ingolfr_Arnarson And mentioned gossipd was the name of the actual thing.
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13:52 asciilifeform which is currently in the works,
13:52 asciilifeform !#s ffa
13:52 a111 336 results for "ffa", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=ffa
13:53 asciilifeform ( all implementations of rsa in common use, are unsuitable for real time programs, on account of leaking private key via timing side channel )
13:56 Ingolfr_Arnarson That's good info to research for.
13:56 Ingolfr_Arnarson thx for the logs
13:58 Ingolfr_Arnarson !!rate
13:59 Ingolfr_Arnarson !!rate asciilifeform 1 Helped me providing info and logs on gossip.
13:59 deedbot Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/AgqER/?raw=true
14:01 asciilifeform !#s from:mircea_popescu gossipd
14:01 a111 222 results for "from:mircea_popescu gossipd", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=from%3Amircea_popescu%20gossipd
14:01 asciilifeform ^ see also.
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14:47 ben_vulpes use more null-cipher cryptosuites: https://auth0.com/blog/critical-vulnerabilities-in-json-web-token-libraries/
14:49 ben_vulpes hmac blunder also epic
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15:02 asciilifeform in other noose, https://archive.is/NI40u >> 'US Navy: Penis in sky drawn by jet trail was 'unacceptable''
15:02 BingoBoingo In other news, there was much rejoicing at the BingoBoingo store today as rumors concerning my resignation notice circulated.
15:03 asciilifeform oh hey congrats BingoBoingo
15:05 BingoBoingo Departures from there, particularly to greener pastures tend to inspire much hope. I don't expect many of my fellows there wake up to a battleship in their coffee though.
15:08 BingoBoingo Also lead time from application to LACNIC IP address assignment is ~2 weeks
15:09 ben_vulpes lol argentina had a submarine?! https://www.nytimes.com/2017/11/17/world/americas/argentina-submarine-missing.html
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15:10 BingoBoingo ben_vulpes: You mean the City State of Buenos Aires + Cows
15:13 ben_vulpes pantsuit self-purge of thought criminals continues: http://www.miamiherald.com/news/politics-government/state-politics/article185207928.html
15:22 BingoBoingo usg.red taunts usg.blue https://archive.is/Gd5DX
15:26 ben_vulpes "it's a penis!"
15:26 ben_vulpes in other well-trained children, $child just attempted to put himself down for a nap in the comfy chair in my office
15:38 BingoBoingo Awe
15:39 BingoBoingo ""It's a penis." That's the explanation! The kids will be able to handle it." << Then why all the fuss when adult women get shown penii!
15:40 ben_vulpes anti-flirt brigade doing what it does
15:44 asciilifeform in other butthurts, https://archive.is/nw25r >> 'For M.I.T. students, this waiver keeps us from having to pay a bill of about $50,000 every year — a staggering amount, but one that is similar to the fees at many other colleges and universities. ... But under the House’s tax bill, our waivers will be taxed. This means that M.I.T. graduate students would be responsible for paying taxes on a $80,000 annual salary, when we actually e
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15:44 asciilifeform arn $33,000 a year.'
15:45 asciilifeform somehow it is a-ok for folx who win a toyota in a lottery to go broke, from sudden tax owed. but ohnoez, try an' tax pantsuit 'leading tech institution' dim bulb folx...
15:47 ben_vulpes the refusal to accept that they're just playing a different lotto is so tasty
15:53 asciilifeform ianal but there's a genuine eggog in there -- either that 50k is ~income~ for the chump^H^H^Hstudent; or it ain't, and it then also is not expenditure ( i.e. something to be written off taxables ) for mit
15:54 asciilifeform not that usd is required to obey conservation of mass, but possibly mit is about to be struck off the list of folx having the crown privilege to make it appear and disappear on command in this way.
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15:57 ben_vulpes asciilifeform: i don't see anyone contesting that it's not income
15:57 asciilifeform well apparently threatens to become ordinary, rather than magically tax-exempt For Reasons, income
15:58 ben_vulpes to take the other side for half a second, who says that i can't charge whomever i want whatever i want for services?
15:58 asciilifeform ben_vulpes: didja read the milk thing on trilema ?
15:59 ben_vulpes yes, but apparently it did not hit?
15:59 asciilifeform well answr to the 'who sez' is 'usg gosplan sez'
15:59 ben_vulpes mm mhm
15:59 ben_vulpes unrelolted: http://www.fox2detroit.com/news/local-news/detroit-police-officers-fight-each-other-in-undercover-op-gone-wrong
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16:01 asciilifeform ben_vulpes: see also http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-17#1504301
16:01 a111 Logged on 2016-07-17 19:58 asciilifeform: 'Mr Vancel said the men were shooting at each other before the officers arrived. "This was not a 'come at police' situation they weren't targeting the police at first - I don't assume so - because these were men out here shooting at each other in an empty parking lot until the police showed up and it turned into a gun battle," he added.' << lel
16:02 asciilifeform ( iirc later was found that ~only~ police had been present at this particular shootout )
16:06 asciilifeform ben_vulpes: re 'other side', recall that usa a bestkorea where ~everything~ is, at least on paper, taxable -- e.g. if i work for a butcher and he pays me in the form of letting me buy 10 chickens a month for a 1 $ instead of 50 $ ea., this is considered taxable just the same as if he paid in buxxorz
16:06 asciilifeform and the income is tallies as the market value ( per usg gosplan ) of the difference, 49bux/ea
16:07 asciilifeform or whatever the inspectors decide they were worth, when they raid
16:07 ben_vulpes i absolutely understand this, asciilifeform .
16:07 asciilifeform so wai not dekulakize the mit derps for 'tax on 80k'.
16:08 ben_vulpes i'm not saying don't, i'm just being wistful about an america i never knew!
16:09 asciilifeform lol
16:09 ben_vulpes le wik maintains that baton rouge event did have a cophunter in attendance
16:09 * asciilifeform has nfi
16:10 asciilifeform possibly it, as usually the case, lies; possibly asciilifeform was thinking of another funfest elsewhere
16:11 ben_vulpes asciilifeform: what does (others => 0) mean in an assignation statement in p?
16:12 asciilifeform ben_vulpes: it's a standard ada operator that sets an array to 0.
16:13 asciilifeform ( or to another repeating constant value . )
16:13 asciilifeform see also http://www.adaic.org/resources/add_content/docs/craft/html/ch06.htm
16:14 asciilifeform ( can go straight to example, Details := (1..10 => 'x', 11..13 | 21..23 | 27 | 29 => 'y', others => ' '); )
16:14 asciilifeform when there are no other elements referenced, it applies to the entire array.
16:15 asciilifeform see also the pertinent ARM , 4.3.3 'array aggregates', https://www2.adacore.com/gap-static/GNAT_Book/html/aarm/AA-4-3-3.html#I2421 .
16:15 asciilifeform ( scroll straight to 'examples' if impatient. )
16:18 * asciilifeform brb,meat
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17:11 ben_vulpes asciilifeform: thank you
17:12 ben_vulpes in other wonderful old technology that is not made and barely findable any more, i cannot praise the sanford "logo ii" highly enough. the original "logo" is all right, but interestingly not quite as well made as its successor.
17:17 asciilifeform ben_vulpes: wassat?
17:19 ben_vulpes mechanical pencil
17:19 ben_vulpes i did the entire ME curriculum with the one on my desk, finally decided to get some backups.
17:20 ben_vulpes has a very long barrel for leads, which is great for heavy writers or people who like hard leads like myself
17:20 ben_vulpes one of the few mechanical pencils to not suffer from the retarded lead advancement while using eraser design flaw
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17:41 asciilifeform aaaand guess what didn't take long : http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/BOZaX/?raw=true << shits block archive.is
17:42 ben_vulpes dat nasty rag
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18:06 asciilifeform in other noose, http://romdict.sourceforge.net/index.eng.php << the sad sad state of the art of opensores ro dictionaries
18:06 asciilifeform ^ ~1000 words !
18:07 asciilifeform http://www.free-soft.ro/everest/everest.html has nominally ~200k but is malwareware and enciphered db ( i dun currently have time to break the delphiturd and extract the key, sadly )
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18:56 lobbes update on archive-o-tron: Looks like leveraging archive.is is getting nowhere fast; according to the archive.is d00d 'download .zip is actually broken'
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18:57 lobbes http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/sj0Eq/?raw=true
18:57 lobbes I'm changing gears to creating my own archiver. Thinking of perhaps just using wget for the time-being
18:57 lobbes more updates to come
18:59 asciilifeform lobbes: wget will fail on ~all major enemy www ( noose sites etc ) on account of the dynamic loading idiocy
18:59 lobbes damn
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19:00 ben_vulpes lobbes: try chromium or firefox in headless mode
19:03 lobbes ben_vulpes, ah okay! I hadn't thought about those browsers. I was trying to script something in lynx. Problem there was intermittent 503 errors.
19:04 lobbes (errors trying to download via archive.is, that is)
19:06 BingoBoingo In still coaster lollers: "Thiel's departure from Y Combinator was not previously announced. It comes long after Y Combinator president Sam Altman defended Thiel's role at the accelerator, following criticism of Thiel's support of then-presidential candidate Donald Trump. A source close to Y Combinator said that the company ended its part-time partners program, which Thiel was a part of, some time last year. While some other part-time
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19:06 BingoBoingo partners moved over to a program called "experts," which provides advice to Y Combinator entrepreneurs, Thiel did not join."
19:19 shinohai http://archive.is/07Oas <<< I guess no use going thru the trouble of shutting down the sybil nodes or w/e
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19:27 ben_vulpes somehow i missed that alibaba is in the timesharing business
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19:53 shinohai From same roll of TP: http://archive.is/MGNht
19:53 shinohai reddit would sell it out within minutes.
20:07 BingoBoingo And the winner to provide my ticket was... COPA
20:08 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: i used it when i went to c3. be prepared for lotsa gate-changes/reschedules/misc crapola
20:08 shinohai Vas necesitar una "copa" despues! xD
20:09 BingoBoingo shinohai: Solo una copa de feel
20:09 shinohai hue
20:10 BingoBoingo asciilifeform: Both transfers have substantial time padding them.
20:10 asciilifeform lemme guess, panama then bolivia ?
20:11 BingoBoingo RoT, Panama, Uruguay
20:11 asciilifeform aa
20:11 BingoBoingo (RoT being trinque's Republic of Texas)
20:12 asciilifeform notbad
20:12 * BingoBoingo scheduled to arrive same time one day after leaving
20:19 BingoBoingo brb, sobertime
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21:24 shinohai One day, Maria decided to show those American teachers how it's *really* done: http://archive.is/NYiSt
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