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00:00 asciilifeform thestringpuller: at the risk of repeating the words of the cartoon yoga master (who offered the n00b a bed of 1 nail) -- 'gotta start small'
00:03 trinque asciilifeform: explain what locks when you're inserting into your keys table
00:04 trinque the "concurrent" in acid ought to mean this doesn't happen
00:08 asciilifeform trinque: how might i go about determining the answer to this ?
00:09 trinque http://btcbase.org/log/2017-02-19#1615456 << this is not a noshit
00:09 a111 Logged on 2017-02-19 04:32 mod6: (my guess here, is that you're inserting heavily on the same table as you are trying to read from)
00:09 trinque you oughtn't do that
00:09 trinque sure thing is hateful, but you have one, can't use it wrong and lament
00:09 trinque can you use a materialized view there?
00:10 trinque to generate your work data, meanwhile inserting into the table the view reads from?
00:10 asciilifeform i have nfi what this sentence means
00:10 trinque process being "refresh materialized view" -> perform work on matview -> repeat
00:11 trinque ok so there are materialized views, yes? stored query the results of which are written to a table
00:11 trinque write one of those and perform your factoring work upon it
00:11 asciilifeform stored query?
00:12 asciilifeform trinque: understand, the gcd thing takes up ~3 minutes of db time daily. not a significant factor at all.
00:12 trinque haben sie ein postgresql?
00:12 asciilifeform nein.
00:12 trinque what db is this then
00:12 trinque sqlite?
00:12 asciilifeform postgres, sure,
00:13 trinque ok, you said that you are reading and writing heavily to the same table
00:13 asciilifeform slow even when 0 writing.
00:13 asciilifeform established this today.
00:13 mircea_popescu asciilifeform are you deeply against giving the man access on the machine ?
00:13 mircea_popescu seems cheaper than trying to learn sqlish.
00:14 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: i do not particularly want to hand off the project, no.
00:14 trinque is it just me or did http://btcbase.org/log/2017-02-19#1615457 become "but actually"
00:14 a111 Logged on 2017-02-19 04:33 asciilifeform: well noshit
00:14 asciilifeform plan is to rewrite the thing, this spring, with 0 sql.
00:15 asciilifeform trinque: does here exist such a thing as a profiler for pgsql ?
00:15 asciilifeform *there
00:18 trinque https://wiki.postgresql.org/images/4/45/Explaining_EXPLAIN.pdf << sorry for the pdf, but there's "explain"
00:18 trinque By default costs are in units of “time a sequential 8kb block read takes
00:19 asciilifeform ty trinque , i will make use of this.
00:19 trinque yw
00:23 BingoBoingo http://www.jameslafond.com/article.php?id=6657 << "I don’t know why the state doesn’t just put the condemned prisoner under with a general anesthetic and then cut off his head with a sawzall. They are clearly over-thinking the whole process."
00:24 mircea_popescu or vice-versa.
00:30 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: there is a surprising tradition of this. i recall reading about a fella in new york who was permitted to build himself an electrically-operated (button in his hand) 'upward jerker' gallows system, and hang on it
00:30 asciilifeform 1890s
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01:06 BingoBoingo aha
01:11 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: iirc ~all electric chairs were built by prisoners (though not usually ones scheduled to sizzle)
01:12 BingoBoingo Much .gov furniture is built that way
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01:58 BingoBoingo Look who's presumably back http://qntra.net/2017/02/its-not-rape-if-her-uterus-meanwhile-absorbed-it/#comment-87580
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02:19 BingoBoingo In other ancient 1994's https://archive.is/RqpQi
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03:13 mats TIL about the Feynman Technique, via http://calnewport.com/blog/2012/10/26/mastering-linear-algebra-in-10-days-astounding-experiments-in-ultra-learning
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03:39 diana_coman "While there will always be people with unfair advantages" bwahahaa
03:41 diana_coman by this time I rather expect that the underlying truth there is that MIT's "computer science curriculum" simply is watered down
03:47 mats coursera's 'learning how to learn' is also quite good
03:56 phf asciilifeform: did you get the new and improved edition? or a pirate pdf of the original? i'm not sure what the warez status of it is, but i can potentially do a proper scan of the first ed
03:58 phf i picked up https://www.amazon.com/Longitude-Genius-Greatest-Scientific-Problem/dp/080271529X that someone left on the train, it's a popsci history of longitude problem, which in turn pointed me to the gould book, which i found in a local collectors' bookstore
04:00 phf i can't vouch for the current edition (with the colourful chronometer on the cover), becaues comments side that it's not just a reprent, but a revised text based on gould's notes.
04:01 phf *comments said
04:04 phf (i don't know what happened to above sentence. india make me spell good)
04:08 phf i wonder if "scott young" used bulletproof coffee every morning, to prep himself up for mit ciriculum study. did he organize his studies using GTD??? what kind of organizer did he use, and where can i buy it? the audience wants to know answers to these vital questions
04:19 mats huh, first i've heard of 'bulletproof coffee', how hip
04:20 mats >grass-fed butter and Brain-octane oil
04:21 mats i've been away from the valley too long
04:23 phf the whole vibe of the piece that you linked is that. "here's 10 books i wrote on how to be a leading brain surgeon. i myself am not a brain surgeon of course too hard lol, i just made all the money writing books like that"
04:27 mats i'll add a trigger warning if there's a next time
04:27 phf :}
04:28 phf i'm 2 weeks away from having to go back to washington, dc. i'm over the hump, and doubling down on hate.
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04:53 mats my sympathies
04:54 mats efforts to retake western half of mosul have begun
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07:43 danielpbarron !~later tell thestringpuller http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/ICRUI/?raw=true
07:43 jhvh1 danielpbarron: The operation succeeded.
07:56 Framedragger http://btcbase.org/log/2017-02-19#1615505 << just to note for asciilifeform and given that i didn't see it mentioned in the pdf (could have easily missed it), `EXPLAIN (ANALYZE, BUFFERS) $yoursqlquery` *is* useful. "buffers" will also show how much of postgres cache was hit during query execution, etc. etc.; it's quite nice.
07:56 a111 Logged on 2017-02-19 05:18 trinque: https://wiki.postgresql.org/images/4/45/Explaining_EXPLAIN.pdf << sorry for the pdf, but there's "explain"
08:10 deedbot http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/AD919DC40487AD461B8113F407DECC7E6628E95894E12DDB6ED1197357ADBBCF << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1063...0329 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '223.95.173.49 (ssh-rsa key from 223.95.173.49 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (Unknown CN)
08:10 deedbot http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/FC3FC7E23DFBDF44C302E52DF687914488B86411CE7929DBBB3035551714DC64 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1292...5723 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '112.16.66.170 (ssh-rsa key from 112.16.66.170 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (Unknown CN)
08:10 deedbot http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/AD919DC40487AD461B8113F407DECC7E6628E95894E12DDB6ED1197357ADBBCF << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1292...5723 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '223.95.173.49 (ssh-rsa key from 223.95.173.49 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (Unknown CN)
08:10 deedbot http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/FC3FC7E23DFBDF44C302E52DF687914488B86411CE7929DBBB3035551714DC64 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1135...0847 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '112.16.66.170 (ssh-rsa key from 112.16.66.170 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (Unknown CN)
08:12 Framedragger 112.16.66.170 << running comware, "Comware is an industry-leading provider of network security solutions including products, professional services, and implementation. Our elite team of experts understands complex security issues ..."
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10:07 mircea_popescu "ultra learning" sounds a lot like "i don't wanna learn, what can you make me out of HFCS and corporate legal advice ?"
10:08 mircea_popescu Framedragger pity it's not cornware.
10:13 mircea_popescu phf you're exactly right. this current maga-able us economy consisting of "we'll be rich by doing each other's laundry" is not in any sense novel, or invented by the pantsuit mcclinton. in fact, on a frank review of the extant record, the only properly said us-american culture is THIS. in between the quack salesman and the itinerant scammer you find the neoprotestant-innovative firebrand preacher, the systematizing industrial
10:13 mircea_popescu ist and everyone else.
10:14 mircea_popescu if there is to be something substantially murican, to stand with the russki "soul of the peasant", it's a badly typeset secret big town learnin' france doesn't want ms cormack of potato, idaho to know.
10:16 mircea_popescu http://trilema.com/2013/how-to-enter-failville/ << this, basically. and it's pre 1800s.
10:16 mircea_popescu (not the items depicted, but the vein.)
10:18 mircea_popescu that's the one, only, true and authentic soul of america and naught else. apparent alternatives are always and without exception strictly a) tolerated imports with no substantial intermingling with local idiocy and b) only tolerated because of exterior pressure ; if usian CAN get away with no longer pretending to frenchness, germanity, etc he most definitely will.
10:20 thestringpuller BingoBoingo: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-02-07#1612205 << http://archive.is/3itGU << Looks like Zuckerberg responded with a manifesto of socialism
10:20 a111 Logged on 2017-02-07 20:07 deedbot: http://qntra.net/2017/02/socialist-seek-to-replace-socialist-zuckerberg-on-facebook-board-for-insufficient-socialism/ << Qntra - Socialist Seek To Replace Socialist Zuckerberg On Facebook Board For Insufficient Socialism
10:20 mircea_popescu blessfully, there is a large contingent of young women who deeply intuit the whole thing's bullshit ; which is the most that can be said for the place. making the anglophone ideological america VERY much a "city of jerusalem". total jews, these folk.
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10:51 phf http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-20#1507131 << in related news, gbyers, the original systems guru of ccl, who responded to every "modernization" attempt with "sure, if you can explain me what's the point" stepped down. within a day, clozure cl was moved to github, with current list of "issues" https://github.com/Clozure/ccl/issues. in case anyone was wondering "what happens when linus steps down"
10:51 a111 Logged on 2016-07-20 15:43 phf: so i push back on the guy, rme says "let's change subject", within minutes guy goes "it's late here i gotta go to sleep"
10:52 mircea_popescu myeah
10:54 phf guy who snatched mcclim from g_l, and who otherwise got a somewhat cold treatment from the ccl core before joined the channel the next day with "i guess i should subscribe to mailing list :)"
10:54 mircea_popescu hurr.
10:55 mircea_popescu oocl when ?
11:02 phf the wrecker must wreck, for as soon as he stops he becomes the wrecked.
11:04 mircea_popescu !~google "viermi neadormiti"
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11:04 mircea_popescu hm.
11:05 mircea_popescu expression famously used by elena ceausescu wrt the general populace. very much in this line of exasperation, they'll chew everything these schmucks.
11:05 mircea_popescu it's the funny fate of people at the top of a socialist dictatorship to become very right wing ever as their populace drifts ever more into ustardism.
11:06 deedbot http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/ADA84AFFAA8CC77417EF485B4306614CDDCA484ECBFF3F0666C6B54CEC530F14 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1464...2629 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '202.80.113.52 (ssh-rsa key from 202.80.113.52 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (ip52.113.ez.net.id. ID JK)
11:06 deedbot http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/ADA84AFFAA8CC77417EF485B4306614CDDCA484ECBFF3F0666C6B54CEC530F14 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1504...6199 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '202.80.113.52 (ssh-rsa key from 202.80.113.52 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (ip52.113.ez.net.id. ID JK)
11:06 deedbot http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/68D7DA6C32B215EB8DE1DCC614A7650E8983D892EF2A36B75C31B75EBCDF80FA << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1472...7739 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '72.165.88.4 (ssh-rsa key from 72.165.88.4 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (azlink.monrovia.com. US)
11:06 deedbot http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/68D7DA6C32B215EB8DE1DCC614A7650E8983D892EF2A36B75C31B75EBCDF80FA << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1559...6377 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '72.165.88.4 (ssh-rsa key from 72.165.88.4 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (azlink.monrovia.com. US)
11:06 mircea_popescu related to the discussion of how "bitcoin corrupts".
11:09 phf dormiti from dormire? sort of worms don't sleep?
11:10 mircea_popescu yes, unquenchable worms.
11:12 mircea_popescu (the source was 80s dispute wrt to general public's apparent bottomless appetite for purchasing luxury goods -- in eastern communism this includes meat, washing machines, electricity, etc -- for which they won't even have the fucking decency to pay in hard currency, but aim to use the worthless reminbo internal scrip)
11:13 mircea_popescu more or less a "there's no fucking end to the amount of chinese crap these idiots would """buy""" if they had credit cards. and no, there isn't.
11:23 phf meanwhile in the alternative, Zardoz future of computing http://68.media.tumblr.com/56069cfb482020c2a964a581385d99d2/tumblr_olj5dqSF5u1uu4f9zo1_500.jpg
11:29 phf i don't have a smart comment, "exasperation" is the correct term in this case. i'm looking in awe at the turnaround time though, some kind of "modernization" fast track right there
11:30 mircea_popescu nah, it's mostly because they're so unsubstantial.
11:30 Framedragger github as a service, 24h delivery, extra feature "project visual identity" https://github.com/Clozure/ccl/issues/14 4free
11:30 mircea_popescu "what moves faster than clouds ?" "nothing really" "how come clouds haven't taken over the world ?" "but in their way... they have."
11:31 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2017-02-19#1615576 << you meant, ~western~, neh?
11:31 a111 Logged on 2017-02-19 16:12 mircea_popescu: (the source was 80s dispute wrt to general public's apparent bottomless appetite for purchasing luxury goods -- in eastern communism this includes meat, washing machines, electricity, etc -- for which they won't even have the fucking decency to pay in hard currency, but aim to use the worthless reminbo internal scrip)
11:31 mircea_popescu no.
11:32 asciilifeform on my globe, ru, ua, etc is east of ro.
11:32 mircea_popescu yes ?
11:32 asciilifeform and we had meat. more than modern usa..
11:32 * mircea_popescu does the jewish armshake.
11:33 phf of course, the sum of all moves is insubstantial, but the totality is going to produce the gnupg effect. 5000 renames for 5 meaningful changes, meanwhile yet another project to add to naggum emacs archive
11:37 asciilifeform phf: every time you find one of these, i think 'holy shit, it was alive until now?!'
11:40 mircea_popescu phf why are you even getting back to dc in the first place ?
11:41 mats usg bombs another funeral party http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-38989662
11:42 mircea_popescu justified ; their musical instruments weren't up to code. people are irresponsible, you could start a fire using the wrong kind of trumpet. and fire is dangerous, whole fucking party could die because of it.
11:42 phf i need to move a handful of things into storage, throw out the bulk and handover my apartment back to landlord. mostly i don't want to lose my books, but i'm going to split them between a handful of trusted locations
11:43 mircea_popescu works i guess
11:47 asciilifeform also bbc today: 'Viewpoint: Let's smash crime by scrapping big banknotes. The man who came up with "demonetisation" on whether India did it right.'
11:47 mircea_popescu heh
11:48 mircea_popescu it's funny though, the "advanced" "our" democracy superstate slowly decides that it doesn't WANT to do all the fundamental things it parasitized, such as cash supply.
11:48 mircea_popescu the "people will route around you" point is somehow not obvious.
11:48 mircea_popescu if i lived in india i'd strike gold rounds, with my face on one side and my crown on the other. and if the "indian our democracy" doesn't like it, they can eat hot ieds.
11:50 mircea_popescu Kingdom of India, rape all the bureaucrat 16yo daughters. sounds like a party.
11:51 deedbot http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/0D9639BF7C77C0C1C6C8DC97BF567111B98430E83DF511DD1A4693F6586D9A66 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1661...9029 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '88.131.59.189 (ssh-rsa key from 88.131.59.189 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (Unknown SE)
11:51 deedbot http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/0D9639BF7C77C0C1C6C8DC97BF567111B98430E83DF511DD1A4693F6586D9A66 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1695...3139 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '88.131.59.189 (ssh-rsa key from 88.131.59.189 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (Unknown SE)
11:53 phf that's basically what they do her re strike gold rounds. according to a gold seller for an average indian wedding he sells roughly 2kg worth of jewelry. he says that different sellers will have slightly different numbers (based on how prestigious they are), but he's sort of in the middle of normal distribution
11:53 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: pretty sure usd currently fills the 'gold mircea_popescu dubloon' niche there, just as in other orclands
11:54 phf three biggest stores downtown: wedding saris, a department store with everything, 6 storied gold vendor
11:54 mircea_popescu a properly minted gold coin would be worth about $1500
11:56 mircea_popescu phf yeah. gold was already "A problem" in the soviet meaning of the term in india. with this idiocy, they're making it a fully gold standard place.
11:56 mircea_popescu if it weren't so fucking hot i'd go actually.
11:57 phf every bank has a "gold loan" department, presumably to pawn the wedding jewelry on the as needed basis. you see this dynamic as you step of the airplane. the idea that currency ban hits anyone but the poorest of the poor is ridiculous.
11:59 mircea_popescu i have nfi what they;re thinking.
11:59 asciilifeform phf: the wedding trinkets -- are of pure gold?
11:59 asciilifeform or alloy
12:00 deedbot http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/BE32AE9463A4BD3735F0D5965C7D7DEBDDA8ECCB6AAC0916D8B7F9EA09D2B284 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1709...4493 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '80.55.42.194 (ssh-rsa key from 80.55.42.194 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (qq194.internetdsl.tpnet.pl. PL)
12:00 deedbot http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/BE32AE9463A4BD3735F0D5965C7D7DEBDDA8ECCB6AAC0916D8B7F9EA09D2B284 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1778...7833 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '80.55.42.194 (ssh-rsa key from 80.55.42.194 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (qq194.internetdsl.tpnet.pl. PL)
12:00 mircea_popescu well, jewelry gold. pure gold is not handle-able.
12:01 phf asciilifeform: 18k+
12:01 asciilifeform neat
12:01 phf based on what it is. if it's supposed to cary a stone of some sort, 18, then goes up
12:02 phf you can walk in, ask for a theme, and you're going to be presented with a range of crude looking trinkets, the kind that you would see as costume jewelry in the "little princess" corner of the store
12:03 phf except at 22k, sold by weight
12:04 mircea_popescu sounds about right.
12:04 mircea_popescu land of the fucking gypsies what more can be said.
12:04 phf ^
12:04 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: hey it beats 'land of 401k'
12:04 mircea_popescu i wasn't proposing that as a substitute lol.
12:04 mircea_popescu fortunately cunts of all subcultures work. the rest...
12:05 mircea_popescu whatever.
12:15 thestringpuller !~later tell danielpbarron done
12:15 jhvh1 thestringpuller: The operation succeeded.
12:27 phf unrelatedly, someone ported franz's clim2 to ccl, but instead of using ffi to motif backend, they used an original generas clx backend, that is still there. the result is ugly, broken on mac's x11, but works, and potentially could be improved and optimized by interested parties. http://glyf.org/screenshots/clim2-clx.png
12:35 asciilifeform phf: interesting -- what, gotta wonder, did crapple mutilate, to result in this
12:35 * asciilifeform laboured under the possibly naive impression that x11 was 'in stone' for eons
12:37 phf i'm not sure, but i remember you have to put a handful of magic incantations to live fix clx on genera to make it connect to crapple's x11
12:38 thestringpuller !#s thinking man's doom
12:38 a111 2 results for "thinking man's doom", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=thinking%20man%27s%20doom
12:38 thestringpuller have to wonder did asciilifeform play thief?
12:38 phf but judging by the nature of damage, it's probably somewhere in the SHAPE extension
12:38 asciilifeform thestringpuller: of course
12:39 phf actually, no, shape is for cutting windows
12:39 asciilifeform in re earlier lulz, https://archive.is/xXiAF >> 'Today her total expenses average more than $300,000 a month for the product, plus around $30,000 for cabs, cell phones, rent for various safe houses, and other administrative costs. She makes a profit of $27,000 a week. “I like seeing a pile of cash in my living room,” she says.'
12:40 asciilifeform 'The Green Angels, she tells me, are selling a fantasy of an attractive, well-educated, presentable young woman who wants to get you high—a slightly more risqué Avon lady. Not all of the Angels are working models, but they are all young and attractive. In eight years, they have never been busted by the cops. The explanation is simple: Good-looking girls don’t get searched.'
12:42 thestringpuller asciilifeform: i must say. when I put 40 hours into the first thief over vacation, definitely repeated that phrase to myself a lot: "thinking man's doom" such an apt three word description for the game.
12:55 mats this chick pays way too much for pot from cali she could be getting from maine, vermont, new hampshire, ...
12:56 mats amateur hour, this, shipping bulk pot through fucking fedex
12:57 mats you can afford rent for safe houses but can't be fucked to develop a connect in the northeast? and drive the stuff down like sane people?
12:59 thestringpuller people grow good weed on the east coast?
12:59 thestringpuller news to me
13:02 mats correct
13:04 trinque people grow weed everywhere there are buildings
13:16 mircea_popescu asciilifeform sounds a lot like someone read trilema on the topic lel.
13:17 mircea_popescu mats the newspaper version of everything will be braindamaged. ever read any "science" from nature etc ?
13:18 mircea_popescu thestringpuller weed is a swamp thing not a desert thing. grows best in wash dc.
13:19 trinque I'm going to aim the deeds service at #trilema-trinque for a few minutes to test.
13:19 trinque the rewrite of the bot is launching shortly
13:20 mircea_popescu dun dun dun
13:20 trinque looks like everything works, but we'll see what chaos says
13:20 trinque I'll be around all day.
13:23 mats mircea_popescu: yes, isn't nature one of the better 'open access' journals?
13:24 mircea_popescu better in the sense that better than hawker.
13:30 mats in other zoo news, brooklyn musician lives in crawl space http://archive.is/zVq6o
13:32 mircea_popescu this is shockingly common. girl's schoolmate went to posh art school, ran out of dough, moved into one of her sculptures.
13:33 mats 'performance art'
13:34 mircea_popescu word.
13:36 trinque !!key trinque
13:36 deedbot http://wot.deedbot.org/FC66C0C5D98C42A1D4A98B6B42F9985AFAB953C4.asc
13:36 trinque !!gettrust deedbot trinque
13:36 deedbot L1: 1, L2: 6 by 6 connections.
13:36 trinque great.
13:36 trinque that's done. anyone having trouble, let me know.
13:36 hanbot test tx via trb using sendtoaddress fails to send diddly squat, meanwhile @ blockchain.info: transaction rejected by our node. Reason:Script resulted in a non-true stack: []
13:37 mircea_popescu txid ?
13:37 hanbot ea58f22fe5bbb4f42edb8be90a37f98b57af12007f7620f7ab94111a06ff3ebb
13:38 mircea_popescu lmao i see it
13:38 mircea_popescu i also see 7fa9eb8297e7547e8ab24a7ac49197197cb312364436ba7ac31b61822059f531 which doublespends it
13:38 mircea_popescu i'd say blockchain.info broken infrastructure ?
13:38 mircea_popescu (the dblspend is included 5 blocks ago)
13:39 mircea_popescu reported by the miner that included it, as best i can tell.
13:40 hanbot !~bcstats
13:40 jhvh1 hanbot: Current Blocks: 453792 | Current Difficulty: 4.40779902286E11 | Next Difficulty At Block: 455615 | Next Difficulty In: 1823 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 5 days, 13 hours, 27 minutes, and 20 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: None | Estimated Percent Change: None
13:41 mircea_popescu ben_vulpes can bcstats be moved to mimi or notrly ?
13:41 hanbot eh. my node is current and doesn't see it, inasmuch as amt's still held.
13:42 mircea_popescu what do you mean amt's still held ?
13:43 hanbot i mean the amt sent to non-trb wallet is still included in trb wallet.
13:43 mircea_popescu i don't think trb updates your wallet balance in this case. it updates it when it sends something, it doesn't rescan for doublespends.
13:44 mircea_popescu the receiver should see it ; the sender has nfi what happened, rescan will fix.
13:44 hanbot oh goodie.
13:45 hanbot say, i've also got a paytxfee reset to zero (was set last run)...what's this, also doesn't update w/o rescan, or wants a setting every run?
13:47 mircea_popescu i'm not entirely sure, but afaik trb still imports original satoshi assumptive boneheadedness in that it will not consider tx updating its own wallet which it didn't issue itself.
13:48 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: option -rescan
13:48 mircea_popescu i said that.
13:49 asciilifeform ( http://btc.yt/lxr/satoshi/source/src/wallet.cpp?v=asciilifeform_add_verifyall_option#0565 << mechanism )
13:54 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: consider publishing your tx debugger as a trb patch ? (the thing that lets mircea_popescu answer questions like 'where is ea58f22fe5bbb4f42edb8be90a37f98b57af12007f7620f7ab94111a06ff3ebb ?' )
13:55 mircea_popescu you know she just poked me with the same thing ?
13:55 hanbot aha. and lol yeah.
13:55 asciilifeform well yes, i am eating the l0gz
14:00 asciilifeform hanbot: settxfee ( http://btc.yt/lxr/satoshi/source/src/bitcoinrpc.cpp?v=asciilifeform_add_verifyall_option#0472 ) can be used to adjust a running node without restart
14:02 asciilifeform ftr i see nTransactionFee as an idiocy, and imho the thing ought to demand the fee amount as a second argument to sendtoaddress
14:02 mircea_popescu quite.
14:02 hanbot yes.
14:02 mircea_popescu the idea though is that you'd want to pay the same per kb for a whole period.
14:03 mircea_popescu not a particularly bright idea - for one thing you may wish to prioritize txn
14:03 * asciilifeform leans in direction of manual reactor control
14:03 mircea_popescu hands CAN get tired you know
14:05 BingoBoingo ^ When was the last time anyone coped with a coping saw?
14:06 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: me. just last month.
14:06 BingoBoingo And how were hands? Would you be seeking an alternative if answer was yesterday and every day since last month?
14:07 asciilifeform actually if i did it every day, would have titanic hands and 0 complaints
14:07 mircea_popescu lol
14:07 mircea_popescu homunculus hands!
14:08 BingoBoingo But tiny carpal tunnels!
14:10 BingoBoingo Sawing is fine good fun. Coping is the sort of task that lead to Doctor's adminishions to stop doing that and repetitive stress injury.
14:11 asciilifeform to revisit upstack, ftr trb still does not have a tx debugger. when, e.g., mircea_popescu, asks me 'have you seen tx T', all i have is to grep the log barf
14:11 mircea_popescu i am not against trb having a debugger
14:12 asciilifeform way it oughta work is, say, 'findtx <tx>' and we get, e.g., '<tx> is nth in block B', or <tx> is in mempool', or '<tx> not seen', in all but the last case followed by hexdump
14:13 mircea_popescu way it ought to work starts with finely dispersed listeners throughout the network, which i hesitate to place as a "every lord should have" type of obligation in 2017, but will eventually become
14:13 mircea_popescu because the blind can't rule, as it were.
14:13 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: how does 'dispersed listener' differ from 'run many nodez, and they gotta have tx debugger' ?
14:14 mircea_popescu well not substantially. except if "run many nodes" is done by idiot, spins up 500 aws instances.
14:14 asciilifeform all aws vm are 1 node as far as asciilifeform is concerned
14:14 asciilifeform 'if they all had but one neck' (tm) (r)
14:14 mircea_popescu this sounds shockingly dumb when stated, but then again in point of fact average usian has "many sources of information : reddit, wikipedia, six different fake news outlets + nature!"
14:21 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: when you wrote 'listener', i wondered if it meant something specialized and passive, a sort of pseudonode.
14:23 asciilifeform in other lulz, heathendom https://bitnodes.21.co/nodes/?q=/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99 sees 9 trb nodez.
14:24 asciilifeform ^ these include strictly those folx who built with versionstring knob. or rather, some quite arbitrary subset thereof (i.e. those not in a black hole atm)
14:28 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2017-02-19#1615717 << i gotta wonder what the folx without 1+ working trb node, think they are doing.
14:28 a111 Logged on 2017-02-19 19:13 mircea_popescu: way it ought to work starts with finely dispersed listeners throughout the network, which i hesitate to place as a "every lord should have" type of obligation in 2017, but will eventually become
14:33 asciilifeform (and i will add: 1 is quite certainly insufficient, and 2 -- just ~barely~ enough -- to have real-time access to the network)
14:34 mircea_popescu yes, because you don't want to commit the serious resources needed for a node on each of these boxen.
14:35 mircea_popescu gotta distinguish between push and pull sort of needs, also. if you want to know "what is x" you want something substantially different from wanting to "let everyone know y"
14:35 mircea_popescu exactly mirroring the signed/encrypted thing in tmsr.
14:36 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: i've been contemplating the correct way to make pseudonodes. way i see it is, it should still maintain a cache of recent blocks, and have a backhaul to mothership controlled by owner to request signed block checksums, and whole blocks if cache does not find; rather than accepting crapolade from randos
14:36 mircea_popescu there is some value in accepting crapolade from randos.
14:36 asciilifeform accepting -- possible; acting on -- none whatsoever
14:36 mircea_popescu but this is also where heterogenicity of implementation is a major republican asset.
14:37 mircea_popescu the reason i hesitate to publish the extensive mp alien techs wrt bitcoin infrastructure isn't simply the sheer size ; nor merely the political consideration of, "hey, there's a lot of value in enemy not actually knowing what mp capabilities are -- as widely exemplified in the public sphere by the march cartel trampling among who knows what private adventures"
14:37 asciilifeform let's say 'pseudonode' is that which one makes, if you have 1,001 boxes with acceptable bandwidth, but small disk. (e.g., a botnet.)
14:38 mircea_popescu but actually the fact that i think we'd lose out on a lot of value by not doing the v-tron thing here.
14:38 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: this was pretty clear when you explained it here to asciilifeform during the july '15 events.
14:38 asciilifeform the example with the horse.
14:39 mircea_popescu myeah
14:39 * asciilifeform for some reason failing to turn it up in the l0gz
14:42 asciilifeform i will however note that my original vtron ~was~ openly published.
14:44 asciilifeform some wunderwaffen work best in the field; others -- sitting in the vault.
14:44 asciilifeform !#s fleet in being
14:44 a111 7 results for "fleet in being", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=fleet%20in%20being
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15:17 mircea_popescu tru
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15:55 ben_vulpes mircea_popescu: aye, reasonabru. i'll probably kill the web stuff and make the thing irc-only. not going to happen immediately, still planning out data collection system
16:04 ben_vulpes from kakloandia: http://disobedientmedia.com/ngo-fleet-bussing-migrants-into-the-eu-has-ties-to-george-soros-hillary-clinton-donors/
16:05 ben_vulpes kaloandia, heh. cloacaland?
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16:21 BingoBoingo http://oglaf.com/dickjerky/
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16:43 mod6 The unusually warm weather provided me a banner day of hunting. Got seven myself. http://www.mod6.net/hunting_20170219.jpg
16:44 asciilifeform those look delicious
16:49 mod6 they are tasty, indeed.
17:00 * asciilifeform reports a successful replication of mod6's recipe http://thebitcoin.foundation/trb-howto.html , 'offline' variant, using his vtron etc. took exactly 40 minutes from the instance of making an empty dir to do it in, to having <5MB finished binary in my hands.
17:01 asciilifeform congrats to mod6 and the other folx who massaged this.
17:01 mod6 awesome, thanks for testing!
17:01 mod6 o7
17:05 asciilifeform and this was on an ancient and quite slow box, even.
17:06 asciilifeform considering that this builds toolchain, gcc, linux kernel, busybox userland (currently unused), then trb deps, and then trb...
17:07 asciilifeform pretty decent.
17:09 mircea_popescu ha nice going mod6
17:10 mircea_popescu asciilifeform yeah, it's glorious to watch. i would say we have a complete, reliable and quite elegant solution to the original mandate
17:11 mircea_popescu ie, http://btcbase.org/log/2015-08-05#1225522
17:11 a111 Logged on 2015-08-05 13:38 mircea_popescu: one is USE. specifically - hanbot must be able to put into work the theoretical advances b-a produces. and ima use her as a stand-in for "intelligent and willing to work, but not able to grow a beard".
17:12 mircea_popescu 16 months is RIDICULOUSLY quick for something of this magnitude.
17:18 mircea_popescu (and of course it's only 16 months in a very loose measuring, original v was published the very same month)
17:22 BingoBoingo https://encyclopediadramatica.se/Trash_Dove
17:29 mod6 <+mircea_popescu> ha nice going mod6 << Thanks! & Thanks to all who helped in the effort.
17:30 mircea_popescu nice quarry too!
17:30 * trinque tips hat
17:31 mircea_popescu myeah, to borrow alfism, it's unclear what the megawatt of iron folk would have even done re this. it's not, afaik, a matter approacheable by corporate america.
17:31 mircea_popescu as in, apple "could buy russia", but can't v in a year.
17:31 mod6 mircea_popescu: today was a gift. usually never hunt by this time of year -- too cold, too much snow in the fields.
17:32 mircea_popescu snow is great for pheasant no ?
17:32 mod6 doesn't leave a lot for cover for the birds. we hunt in the snow, until it becomes un-walkable. once i did through 3-4 ft. drifts, and nearly had a cardiac event.
17:33 mod6 so now, i only go up to 1 ft, then I call it for the season. gets hard on the dogs too.
17:33 mircea_popescu heh there is that
17:34 asciilifeform mircea_popescu, mod6 : next mega-advance will probably be to make it self-reproducing - i.e. to shit out a bootable hdd with itself. i experimented with this in the pogo era but hung up at the time on buildroot freezing, which was since solved by mod6
17:34 asciilifeform so now it is quite doable
17:34 BingoBoingo mod6 asciilifeform mircea_popescu or hanbot care to qntra up this milestone?
17:34 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: mod6's thing worked for a while now
17:35 mircea_popescu it's kinda covered in teh foundation reports... but maybe an interview format thing'd be a good idea
17:35 asciilifeform i'm just slow to eat
17:35 BingoBoingo Well covered in reports, but interview or walkthrough would be welcome.
17:36 mircea_popescu it's not an event is what he means. was a thing for a while now, it's just incidentally been brought up
17:36 asciilifeform (at one time, buildroot demanded net access to work)
17:36 BingoBoingo The things about the reports is the proceed piecemeal into thing like channel epihany today
17:36 mircea_popescu there is that.
17:37 BingoBoingo eventually all those little steps add up into "Holy Shit" good enough lesser people would stamp "done" and quit
17:37 asciilifeform and yes, i revved up a fully mod6tronic trb to have what to patch against, my working copies are quite dated
17:38 asciilifeform mircea_popescu provoked again my ancient itch for a tx debugger
17:38 mircea_popescu well, that's prolly next mega-project.
17:38 mircea_popescu some kind of share-able listener tmsr infrastructure. has a lot to do with the uci project.
17:39 asciilifeform for now it'd be useful to simply be able to ask a proper node to search mempool and recent blocks
17:40 mircea_popescu yes.
17:40 mircea_popescu though... you probablty don't want to ask the node.
17:40 mircea_popescu curious how davout 's work on splitting function is coming along btw
17:40 mircea_popescu anyone looking into that ?
17:40 mod6 <+mircea_popescu> it's kinda covered in teh foundation reports... but maybe an interview format thing'd be a good idea << yeah, I like the idea.
17:41 mod6 i haven't heard on davout's progress recently.
17:42 mod6 testing on the new V seems to be going well, probably will publish next month.
17:43 mod6 <+mircea_popescu> some kind of share-able listener tmsr infrastructure. has a lot to do with the uci project. << yeah, many exciting things are starting to open up.
17:44 ben_vulpes "mostly reading" last time i spoke to himi on the topic
17:44 ben_vulpes him*
17:44 ben_vulpes which, more of that please.
17:44 mircea_popescu can't fault a man for that.
17:44 * asciilifeform has been experimenting with a proggy that 'rides' a trb node, and takes over all comms with outside world
17:44 mod6 yeah, that project will take much thought and consideration. i applaud that approach.
17:45 mod6 asciilifeform: cool
17:45 asciilifeform mod6: it was suggested by mircea_popescu at one time. but i can't seem to recall which thread
17:46 asciilifeform it was in one of the discussions re 'how to cut apart'
17:46 mircea_popescu last month or somesuch, you used the word condom
17:48 asciilifeform ada proggy, speaks the protocol as defined by trb; but does not attempt to verify blocks, instead uses its 'horse' (trb node it rides) as an oracle
17:50 mod6 ah, yes. very cool. how's ada going for ya? I've only recently dipped my toe in that water.
17:51 asciilifeform mod6: working through the spark b00k presently
17:52 asciilifeform ( mccormick, 2015 )
17:52 mod6 ah, thanks.
17:53 mircea_popescu 2017 is one helluva year.
17:54 BingoBoingo 2017 is better with lollerRanger latest candidate release notes https://archive.is/Q5oD4
17:55 BingoBoingo Prune moar pls
17:55 mircea_popescu they got a problem, blockchain hasn't fit on any tablet apple markets for a year
17:55 mircea_popescu now it's falling off thumbdrives also
17:56 asciilifeform mod6: iirc crapple never permitted any actual btc client on its nintendostore
17:56 asciilifeform mircea_popescu ^ rather
17:57 BingoBoingo Also "assumed-valid blocks"!?!
17:57 mircea_popescu lmao
17:57 mircea_popescu asciilifeform no but they're cool kids, they patch
17:58 asciilifeform mod6: the bulk of what takes 'getting used to' in ada is not the syntax, but the forced sanity, e.g. you get (grudgingly) a malloc, but not a free! idea being, you get to pick a memory footprint and LIVE in it
17:58 asciilifeform keep racks of item around, re-use
17:59 asciilifeform eliminates fragging, use-after-frees
17:59 asciilifeform but a serious adaist avoids using heap at all!
18:00 asciilifeform creates all of the items the program will need in its life, on the stack at boot.
18:00 asciilifeform (language has features that make this practical, such as discriminated-records)
18:04 asciilifeform the other interesting bit is the task system. language was designed from the ground up to have sane concurrency. can make 'throwaway' processes , that pass data in intrinsically safe ways
18:07 mircea_popescu now that's cool.
18:11 mircea_popescu "PRB should also work on most other Unix-like systems but is not frequently tested on them."
18:13 mircea_popescu ahaha. so basically... they give up, right ? unix-like ie 100% of the net infrastructure. prb is officially a toy, not to be run seriously.
18:15 hanbot http://btcbase.org/log/2017-02-19#1615687 << fwiw, receiving wallet does see amt sent. meanwhile trb restarted with -rescan shows same balance as before, which we now realize *had changed* following transaction just...not by amt sent. to wit, listtransactions sees original balance, sees correct sent amt with fee, nevertheless balance via getinfo has mystery-difference. which shows as a negative, and only value, via listaccounts.
18:15 a111 Logged on 2017-02-19 18:44 mircea_popescu: the receiver should see it ; the sender has nfi what happened, rescan will fix.
18:15 mircea_popescu lol dat wallet.
18:17 hanbot you figure this wallet in particular has a pox?
18:19 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: seems like they meant 'unixlikes other than linux and crapple'
18:19 asciilifeform (going by the linked piece)
18:20 mircea_popescu other than ubuntu and crapple you mean ?
18:20 mircea_popescu half the piece is about dumbass half-transparent overlays and making me a sandwich while shutting the fuck up.
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19:22 danielpbarron https://www.susanjfowler.com/blog/2017/2/19/reflecting-on-one-very-strange-year-at-uber >> they said that I didn't show any signs of an upward career trajectory. I pointed out that I was publishing a book with O'Reilly, speaking at major tech conferences, and doing all of the things that you're supposed to do to have an "upward career trajectory", but they said it didn't matter and I needed to prove myself as an engineer.
19:31 shinohai https://www.yahoo.com/news/m/d37a36d0-7d4e-3ebe-aa76-98dcc04f01ca/sheriff's-report%3A-paramedics.html
19:31 shinohai ^ for BingoBoingo
19:39 mircea_popescu who could have guessed doing with the gab isn't doing something!
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20:09 mircea_popescu danielpbarron surprising no one, a) there was exactly no work done by the "engineering" company uber, at any point and b) piles of worthless bureaucratys each trying to use their own brand of identity politicsw to "get on top"
20:10 mircea_popescu us "tech sector" is basically the bros vs the cheerleading sluts vs the librarian dorks vs the etc highschoolorama.
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21:36 BingoBoingo In other news that isn't yet qntr'd the threshold, in 3 short years ESPN went from Disney cash cow to open hemorrage
21:39 BingoBoingo This leaves Disney with Superheroes, Star Wars, and Tim Allen
21:45 thestringpuller BingoBoingo: you forgot theme parks and child labor
21:46 thestringpuller oh and frozen. don't expose your kids to it.
21:46 BingoBoingo thestringpuller: Those are just marketing
21:47 thestringpuller i forget what ended up happening with the pixar cash cow, I always though stuff like Frozen, Wreck It Ralph, etc. were push to reclaim territory
21:47 BingoBoingo They annuitized Pixar
21:48 thestringpuller well put: "the angry divorcee of disney"
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23:02 deedbot http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/08300171A070171A36BF13F095DAC6DF889B9F581B7DB4D7430256331BD2A8AE << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1233...7629 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '77.93.80.67 (ssh-rsa key from 77.93.80.67 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (Unknown NL)
23:02 deedbot http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/08300171A070171A36BF13F095DAC6DF889B9F581B7DB4D7430256331BD2A8AE << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1285...6919 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '77.93.80.67 (ssh-rsa key from 77.93.80.67 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (Unknown NL)
23:15 deedbot http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/CAAD24848594307C9E3EFE6890B0BD1B9792D2613D4F7D7A387ACDF461F8500D << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1405...3629 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '187.115.128.129 (ssh-rsa key from 187.115.128.129 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (alfran2.com.br. BR)
23:15 deedbot http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/CAAD24848594307C9E3EFE6890B0BD1B9792D2613D4F7D7A387ACDF461F8500D << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1661...8977 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '187.115.128.129 (ssh-rsa key from 187.115.128.129 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (alfran2.com.br. BR)
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