| 00:07 |
ben_vulpes |
`http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-20#1506634 << incidentally, renders servers nigh-unusable for other purposes. |
| 00:07 |
a111 |
Logged on 2016-07-20 00:16 pete_dushenski: asciilifeform: cpanel is useful for lazy idjits like me to ban ips, make back-ups, check traffic figs, and so on and so forth. it might not be lynx-friendly but i'm also unpersuaded that it's 'evil that must burn tonight'. |
| 00:07 |
ben_vulpes |
go, try to remove cpanel from a machine. |
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| 00:07 |
asciilifeform |
ben_vulpes: aha! |
| 00:07 |
asciilifeform |
i tried, failed, had to ask for whole thing to be thermonuked and reformatted. |
| 00:08 |
ben_vulpes |
i recall this, had my own near identical experience lol |
| 00:11 |
ben_vulpes |
http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-20#1506790 << ahaha and myself as well |
| 00:11 |
a111 |
Logged on 2016-07-20 01:16 mats: and whined to me about having his good naem tarnished on hacka nyooz |
| 00:11 |
* |
ben_vulpes waves to the forever-tarnished robert viragh |
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| 00:36 |
mircea_popescu |
mats 40% tax on 10.5 dollars an hour 8 hours a day for a year's workdays |
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| 02:52 |
deedbot |
[» Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski] The actual unemployment rate in the USA. - http://www.contravex.com/2016/07/20/the-actual-unemployment-rate-in-the-usa/ |
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| 05:33 |
thestringpuller |
charlie shrem is out of jail |
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| 06:09 |
shinohai |
http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-20#1506875 <<< maybe he can show Roger Ver all the new tricks he learned in the Pen, give him first reacharound |
| 06:09 |
a111 |
Logged on 2016-07-20 09:33 thestringpuller: charlie shrem is out of jail |
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| 06:45 |
Framedragger |
http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-19#1506547 << well, it's a cheap, dirty, and very quick way of getting repl with $whatever-data-of-interest, functions for graphical plotting, data analysis etc at your fingertips. it's very easy to experiment with data, *save everything and share stuff*. some papers are drafted this way afaik. for example: http://nbviewer.jupyter.org/urls/gist.github.com/wesm/4757075/raw/a72d3450ad4924d0e74fb57c9f62d1d895e |
| 06:45 |
a111 |
Logged on 2016-07-19 23:39 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-19#1506153 << what's the advantage i dun get it ? |
| 06:45 |
Framedragger |
or http://nbviewer.jupyter.org/github/masinoa/machine_learning/blob/master/04_Neural_Networks.ipynb |
| 06:45 |
Framedragger |
or http://nbviewer.jupyter.org/github/jrjohansson/scientific-python-lectures/blob/master/Lecture-4-Matplotlib.ipynb |
| 06:46 |
Framedragger |
but i'm not trying to be a big advocate of $x here, mind |
| 06:47 |
Framedragger |
http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-19#1506544 << i've a $10 vps, no complaints, i did the initial ipv4 probing off of that. didn't run any i/o etc benchmarks tho. any particular questions (i can run some benchmark if you want) |
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| 06:47 |
a111 |
Logged on 2016-07-19 23:36 pete_dushenski: has anyone here used cock.li ? please to share experience if so |
| 06:53 |
Framedragger |
http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-19#1505364 << okay; but deciding not to use $tool because it's used by $enemy bloody well sounds like one to me. sure, you can call this a set of (very) useful heuristics. but if this sophistry is accepted, then any ideology is a set of heuristics (usually but not always very bad ones, but the latter is a separate point). ftr though, i'm not saying that sometimes there aren't good reasons for avoiding somet |
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| 06:53 |
a111 |
Logged on 2016-07-19 12:17 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-17#1504193 << there is no $ideology per se ; tmsr is principally characterized by lack of ideology. everyone else has one, however, and they're often patently insane and amazingly complex. |
| 06:53 |
Framedragger |
hing like the devil avoids the cross; e.g. the recent chinese wifi shit discussion; *any mobile ever, in existence*; etc. :) |
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| 08:21 |
mircea_popescu |
Framedragger i dun get it, do you have to first upload your data ? |
| 08:23 |
mircea_popescu |
every computer (well, except for windows and apple i guess ? but they're not computers) has a repl built in as some sort of bash. in most cases you also have both perl and python out of the box. how could it possibly be faster to first upload a chunk of data to some webserver somewhere ? |
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| 08:23 |
mircea_popescu |
not to mention that you almost always also have, or can easily get a db, and after an import you can then sql repl. |
| 08:36 |
shinohai |
;;later tell BingoBoingo http://ix.io/15Gd |
| 08:36 |
gribble |
The operation succeeded. |
| 08:40 |
deedbot |
[Trilema] To be happy. - http://trilema.com/2016/to-be-happy/ |
| 08:48 |
BingoBoingo |
ty |
| 08:52 |
deedbot |
[Qntra] Poor Wi-Fi Hygeine Snags Data At RNC - http://qntra.net/2016/07/poor-wi-fi-hygeine-snags-data-at-rnc/ |
| 08:57 |
shinohai |
thx BB |
| 08:57 |
BingoBoingo |
http://oglaf.com/rudiments/ |
| 08:59 |
asciilifeform |
'“I vote Trump! free Internet”. Approximately 1.6 Gb's of data was exposed, with the report stating that 68.3% of users had their identities or other sensitive information exposed upon connection. Nearly 25% of the users browsed porn sites, while only a little over 5% used the connections to play Pokemon Go' << such brilliance!111 |
| 09:01 |
asciilifeform |
http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-20#1506885 << Framedragger point to actual instance of this ? in the logz ? |
| 09:01 |
a111 |
Logged on 2016-07-20 10:53 Framedragger: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-19#1505364 << okay; but deciding not to use $tool because it's used by $enemy bloody well sounds like one to me. sure, you can call this a set of (very) useful heuristics. but if this sophistry is accepted, then any ideology is a set of heuristics (usually but not always very bad ones, but the latter is a separate point). ftr though, i'm not saying that sometimes there aren't goo |
| 09:02 |
asciilifeform |
http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-20#1506875 << surprised he hasn't yet shown up here to offer cheeeeeap death ray! |
| 09:02 |
a111 |
Logged on 2016-07-20 09:33 thestringpuller: charlie shrem is out of jail |
| 09:03 |
asciilifeform |
(iirc he did, right before the jail) |
| 09:07 |
asciilifeform |
http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-20#1506889 << he wanted a repl that can shit graphics. which is something that to this very day is ~monopoly of a gargantuan closed commercial item, 'mathematica'. except that most 'i want a graphical repl' folks don't know this, and think that their imitations (which are roughly what glbse was to mpex) are the real thing. |
| 09:07 |
a111 |
Logged on 2016-07-20 12:23 mircea_popescu: every computer (well, except for windows and apple i guess ? but they're not computers) has a repl built in as some sort of bash. in most cases you also have both perl and python out of the box. how could it possibly be faster to first upload a chunk of data to some webserver somewhere ? |
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| 09:27 |
mircea_popescu |
asciilifeform kinda why we want a proper tex/svg wwwthing. |
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| 09:42 |
mircea_popescu |
anyway, google also has some sort of api where you GET it data and it sends back a graph. i recall bitbet using it. |
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| 09:53 |
asciilifeform |
http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-20#1506907 << that's not a repl; that's crapola, a la http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-19#1506177 |
| 09:53 |
a111 |
Logged on 2016-07-19 20:33 asciilifeform: picture 'sorry you can't use grep, www.grep.com is down' |
| 09:53 |
a111 |
Logged on 2016-07-20 13:42 mircea_popescu: anyway, google also has some sort of api where you GET it data and it sends back a graph. i recall bitbet using it. |
| 09:53 |
mircea_popescu |
myea |
| 09:53 |
mircea_popescu |
still, read-evaluate-print :D |
| 09:55 |
asciilifeform |
http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-20#1506906 << the funny thing is, this was made, in 1980s, at considerable expense, it was called 'NeWS' |
| 09:55 |
a111 |
Logged on 2016-07-20 13:27 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform kinda why we want a proper tex/svg wwwthing. |
| 09:56 |
asciilifeform |
but it suffered from the crippling limitations of the c-machine, and withered away. |
| 09:56 |
asciilifeform |
(likewise, '80s hardware was not quite up to the task of the rendering) |
| 09:57 |
asciilifeform |
the simpler, braindead x11, survived. |
| 09:57 |
asciilifeform |
http://c2.com/cgi/wiki?NetworkExtensibleWindowSystem << moar. |
| 09:59 |
asciilifeform |
http://www.art.net/Studios/Hackers/Hopkins/Don/lang/NeWS.html << lulzier still |
| 09:59 |
asciilifeform |
'Fri, 5 Feb 88... The astonishing baroqueness of X is the greatest threat to the general sucess of UNIX to have come along since System V hit the streets. If you try to give an X system to a real human being, not a computer hacker masquerading as a normal person, they will croak. If X doesn't instantly burn out their eyes and brain, causing them to throw their UNIX box out the nearest high window, it will drive them straight into the |
| 09:59 |
asciilifeform |
arms of the Macintosh II. With the toolbox under AUX, all the windowy programs on the MacII will have a clear, understable, and universal user interface. With other alternatives, we face the very real prospect of each window (program) having a different user interface. That, friends, will be the death of UNIX. ' |
| 10:07 |
asciilifeform |
http://www.art.net/Studios/Hackers/Hopkins/Don/images/smegmas.gif |
| 10:07 |
asciilifeform |
and http://www.art.net/Studios/Hackers/Hopkins/Don/images/pizzatool.gif . |
| 10:14 |
mircea_popescu |
i'd think the 2nd item is more relevant here/ |
| 10:16 |
jurov |
imo TeX is quite bad example for this, it's not designed for realtime rendering, depends on several passes for layout |
| 10:17 |
asciilifeform |
jurov: it is ill-designed in 1,001 ways. |
| 10:17 |
asciilifeform |
was very much a crude and desperate hack. knuth suffered from idiot typesetters who 'what's one exponent more or less' |
| 10:18 |
asciilifeform |
human typesetters ~had~ to be expelled from mathematics. |
| 10:18 |
asciilifeform |
and so they were. but at the cost of having this other pile of shit. |
| 10:18 |
mircea_popescu |
jurov multipass is no good for real time ? |
| 10:19 |
mircea_popescu |
also, the idea isn't to "realtime" ; the idea is to take user input and spit out html i think |
| 10:19 |
asciilifeform |
ew |
| 10:19 |
mircea_popescu |
what ? |
| 10:19 |
asciilifeform |
fuck html. |
| 10:19 |
asciilifeform |
and the browser. |
| 10:19 |
mircea_popescu |
fine. in plai ntext. |
| 10:19 |
mircea_popescu |
the idea being that the server does not serve the result of the process directly. |
| 10:19 |
asciilifeform |
i thought the idea was 'sane gui' |
| 10:20 |
mircea_popescu |
(author types shit in) -> (blog processes it into form) -> (server serves form) |
| 10:20 |
mircea_popescu |
mno. |
| 10:20 |
asciilifeform |
a concept which pointedly has no room for half-second delays after every keystroke |
| 10:20 |
jurov |
mircea_popescu: ever used proggy that was redrawing everything after every keystroke? |
| 10:20 |
mircea_popescu |
i don't want any guy at all. even now i <em> by hand rather than clicking the fucking buttons |
| 10:20 |
asciilifeform |
'gui' is not equivalent in meaning to 'microshit word' |
| 10:20 |
mircea_popescu |
i want to have alphabetic notation. such as : graph-this-so-and-so,1,1,4,this.csv |
| 10:21 |
mircea_popescu |
i have no problem with typing ::sum:: either or w/e |
| 10:21 |
mircea_popescu |
and i absolutely do not have alf's mental issue where i can't think of math in words. |
| 10:22 |
asciilifeform |
original thread which led us here concerned... charts |
| 10:22 |
mircea_popescu |
yes. exactly. |
| 10:22 |
asciilifeform |
go and represent the duplicated-sshkeys thing in.. words. |
| 10:22 |
mircea_popescu |
and ftr, auto-repl is for the dogs. i want proper repl : string evaluated when I say, either by clicking the preview button or typing enter or w/e. |
| 10:22 |
mircea_popescu |
fuck that stupid ass google auto-search as you type idiocty |
| 10:23 |
mircea_popescu |
asciilifeform if you want to publish something you can't say in words you're part of the problem. |
| 10:23 |
asciilifeform |
this is lunacy. |
| 10:24 |
asciilifeform |
do we have to do the mega-thread again? |
| 10:24 |
asciilifeform |
or can just say we did. 'see l0gz.' |
| 10:25 |
mircea_popescu |
omfg what the fuck do you think "fits in head" means. |
| 10:25 |
mircea_popescu |
you can see logs all you fucking want, they're all WORDS. |
| 10:25 |
asciilifeform |
i sorta wonder how mircea_popescu draws the line at 'this much notation is enough.' i.e., why he does not demand that phuctor stats be spelled out in whole words rather than using arabic digits. |
| 10:25 |
asciilifeform |
is it because this set of chars happened to exist on underwood typewriter ? |
| 10:25 |
mircea_popescu |
i have no idea what your parents did to you people, but this is unseemly. first fucking task of the urchin in an intellectual household is to learn how to put his shit in words. |
| 10:25 |
mircea_popescu |
3 yos point "dat!!!" but 5yo is expected to be able to say "the item resting atop the history of fucking in the roman empire please, what is it?" |
| 10:26 |
asciilifeform |
mircea_popescu: fits-in-head means that i get to huffmanize TO THE MAX |
| 10:26 |
asciilifeform |
which means, yes, integral signs, matrices, tensors, whatever notation i define ~for the occasion~ even. |
| 10:26 |
mircea_popescu |
if you can't say what it is, you have no fucking idea what it is, and it's not currently fit in your head. |
| 10:27 |
mircea_popescu |
the criteria is any notation i choose, not any notation you choose. |
| 10:27 |
asciilifeform |
i can say. and, if it isn't likely to be in the reader's huffman dictionary already - do say. |
| 10:27 |
mircea_popescu |
much like kids or bureaucrats aren't to be allowed to decide how to measure their performance. |
| 10:27 |
asciilifeform |
sorta what literacy means - to have the huffman table in your head. |
| 10:27 |
mircea_popescu |
so then what's the problem. |
| 10:27 |
asciilifeform |
if you cannot read integral, you are not literate. |
| 10:27 |
mircea_popescu |
make the machine make it. |
| 10:27 |
asciilifeform |
would mircea_popescu also say that machine should transliterate the greek texts for you ? |
| 10:27 |
mircea_popescu |
yes. |
| 10:28 |
mircea_popescu |
russian, certainly |
| 10:28 |
asciilifeform |
'midnight commander' does. |
| 10:28 |
mircea_popescu |
(and most of my russian is in latin alphabet, ftr) |
| 10:28 |
asciilifeform |
(srsly) |
| 10:28 |
asciilifeform |
it will actually crap out translit when you hit f3 ('view file') if the terminal doesn't have cyrillic. |
| 10:28 |
asciilifeform |
the only proggy i've ever encountered which did. |
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| 10:29 |
mircea_popescu |
cuz properly made. |
| 10:29 |
asciilifeform |
at any rate i have 0 problem with this. |
| 10:29 |
asciilifeform |
what i do have a problem with is 'stop using integral signs, spell it out' |
| 10:29 |
asciilifeform |
mircea_popescu's machine can turn it into sanskrit if he likes. |
| 10:29 |
mircea_popescu |
so i guess you can have a fat 8 lines of buttons in the mp-wp thing ; and i'll continue to type tags in directly. |
| 10:29 |
asciilifeform |
lel who said i wanted buttons ? |
| 10:30 |
mircea_popescu |
meanwhile : i want a tag to turn numbers into images ; which i arbitrarily call svg ; and i want a tag to turn strings into scientific notation (which does not JUST mean math, i want chemistry also.) |
| 10:30 |
mircea_popescu |
which i arbitrarily call tex. |
| 10:30 |
asciilifeform |
how does the thing on pediwikia work ? |
| 10:30 |
asciilifeform |
they seem to have something like it |
| 10:30 |
mircea_popescu |
they import images. |
| 10:30 |
asciilifeform |
yes but iirc they get generated. |
| 10:31 |
mircea_popescu |
no idea. |
| 10:31 |
mircea_popescu |
but knowing the thing, they're probably stolen. |
| 10:31 |
asciilifeform |
and if you have the old mathtex plugin thing, they do not |
| 10:31 |
asciilifeform |
(machine w/out the plugin is painful to use if you ever try to copy/paste, you end up getting bitmaps) |
| 10:31 |
mircea_popescu |
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/0d/2-Propanol.svg |
| 10:32 |
asciilifeform |
see, if i can't ~paste~ the equation from the viewer into my algebratron, and evaluate it, the system is broken. |
| 10:32 |
mircea_popescu |
::2-propanol:: should yield that. |
| 10:32 |
mircea_popescu |
evidently, it doesn't. |
| 10:33 |
asciilifeform |
will mircea_popescu barf when a boojum turns up in the massive iupac rule set this imports ? |
| 10:33 |
mircea_popescu |
i have no problem with the author replacing iupac. |
| 10:33 |
asciilifeform |
before laughing, consider, iupac gold standard program HUNG when fed chiralane for the first time. |
| 10:33 |
asciilifeform |
textbooks, i shit thee not, had to be junked |
| 10:33 |
mircea_popescu |
just as long as i can use it, i'm happy. |
| 10:33 |
asciilifeform |
(most weren't, simply ignored the news) |
| 10:34 |
mircea_popescu |
i'm even amenable to saying ::oc/C-COH-C:: |
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| 10:34 |
asciilifeform |
how do i benzol ring ? |
| 10:35 |
mircea_popescu |
i dunno, ::oc/C-C-C*-C-C-C=/ ? |
| 10:35 |
asciilifeform |
(incidentally does mircea_popescu do his organic chem without filthy heathen 2d drawings ? as words ? ) |
| 10:35 |
mircea_popescu |
yes. |
| 10:35 |
asciilifeform |
what's the / do ? |
| 10:35 |
mircea_popescu |
i find that especially in organic chemistry the drawings are counterproductive. |
| 10:36 |
asciilifeform |
has mircea_popescu ever actually done an organic synthesis ? in anger ? |
| 10:36 |
mircea_popescu |
"from organic chemistry take an item that is with carbons linked like so, where * can be anything ie free radical and = at the end links back to origin" |
| 10:36 |
asciilifeform |
of an item that wasn't in the book |
| 10:36 |
mircea_popescu |
ad hoc nonsense, but to illustrate the point. |
| 10:36 |
mircea_popescu |
asciilifeform yes. |
| 10:36 |
mircea_popescu |
and i knew i failed within minutes specifiucally because not using the fucking pictures. |
| 10:37 |
asciilifeform |
y'know, the buggers actually ARE 3d (arguably 3.5d) ~physical objects~ |
| 10:37 |
mircea_popescu |
but your brain doesn't beenfit from this. |
| 10:37 |
asciilifeform |
chemistry-in-words makes about the same amount of sense as cad in words. |
| 10:37 |
mircea_popescu |
your head works principally when its tendency to disregard natural complexity is well supported. |
| 10:38 |
mircea_popescu |
asciilifeform i used to pick architects by the criterion : "nice plan, now tell it to me". |
| 10:38 |
mircea_popescu |
most all of them reached for the paper, which i wouldn't give back. |
| 10:38 |
mircea_popescu |
you'd be surprised how much you find about an architect with this simple process. |
| 10:38 |
asciilifeform |
mircea_popescu should have asked 'tell it to the builders instead of showing paper' |
| 10:38 |
mircea_popescu |
that sadly happens anyway. |
| 10:38 |
mircea_popescu |
but the point is : literacy is a skill not a blessing. does this architect know how to present the tree IN PROPERLY SORTED ORDER ? |
| 10:39 |
mircea_popescu |
if not, why not and what does this say about his mental organisation. |
| 10:39 |
asciilifeform |
this is not actually hard to do if you have the item in your head. |
| 10:39 |
mircea_popescu |
exactly. |
| 10:39 |
asciilifeform |
just as, close your eyes and describe your house to a stranger |
| 10:39 |
asciilifeform |
you can do it in ~arbitrary detail |
| 10:39 |
mircea_popescu |
and if you don't, i'm not underwriting the eventual wreck. |
| 10:39 |
asciilifeform |
but this is NOT the most convenient format for ~editing~ (transforming, etc) the thing. |
| 10:39 |
mircea_popescu |
it may not be the most convenient format for doodling, |
| 10:39 |
mircea_popescu |
doodles are. |
| 10:40 |
asciilifeform |
there is a reason why most folks play chess with a board vs with telephone |
| 10:40 |
asciilifeform |
(though many do, i have) |
| 10:40 |
mircea_popescu |
but then again stop fucking pushingyour doodles on other people. they are the exact equivalent of used condoms. |
| 10:40 |
mircea_popescu |
i do not want them. nobody does. |
| 10:40 |
asciilifeform |
mircea_popescu: find me a chemist - a practicing, professional organiker - who will not barf at this suggestion. |
| 10:41 |
asciilifeform |
or an architect who will agree to design a building ~wholly~ by putting words, sentences, to paper. |
| 10:41 |
asciilifeform |
or machinist who will accept an essay in lieu of a drawing. |
| 10:41 |
mircea_popescu |
find me a computer programmer - a practicing, professional wwwtronicist, who will not barf at v. |
| 10:41 |
asciilifeform |
mircea_popescu: i found, what, six? seven ? |
| 10:41 |
asciilifeform |
they are here. |
| 10:41 |
mircea_popescu |
all the machining i ever had done was presented in essay form. |
| 10:41 |
mircea_popescu |
scandalous, i know. |
| 10:41 |
asciilifeform |
what was it ? 'cut me a rod 10cm in length and 3 in diameter' ? |
| 10:41 |
asciilifeform |
that ain't machining. |
| 10:42 |
mircea_popescu |
bout a paragraph's worth, but still. |
| 10:42 |
asciilifeform |
go and describe kalash bolt in words |
| 10:42 |
asciilifeform |
and have it machined. |
| 10:42 |
mircea_popescu |
for the sake of why not, i will. |
| 10:42 |
asciilifeform |
i would love to see result ! |
| 10:42 |
mircea_popescu |
gimme 5 minutes. |
| 10:42 |
mircea_popescu |
gotta locate a drawing on THIS USELESS INTERNET |
| 10:42 |
asciilifeform |
possibly bad experiment, because machinist will cheat |
| 10:43 |
asciilifeform |
he will pull the ubiquitous drawing once he realizes what you described. |
| 10:43 |
thestringpuller |
the ethereum hard fork is making the VER-ified crowd go wild. |
| 10:43 |
asciilifeform |
and cut from that. |
| 10:43 |
thestringpuller |
incoming bitcoin hard fork FUD |
| 10:43 |
thestringpuller |
and drama |
| 10:43 |
asciilifeform |
thestringpuller: link ? |
| 10:43 |
mircea_popescu |
asciilifeform already disawoved ? fine. |
| 10:43 |
mircea_popescu |
i won't bother then. |
| 10:43 |
asciilifeform |
thestringpuller: please don't assume that folks read reddit unprompted. i don't |
| 10:44 |
asciilifeform |
mircea_popescu: not necessarily - it is worthwhile experiment |
| 10:44 |
asciilifeform |
but i would like to read the essay first |
| 10:44 |
* |
mircea_popescu goes back to finishng his article. |
| 10:44 |
asciilifeform |
it should not mention the purpose of the part. |
| 10:44 |
asciilifeform |
(if mircea_popescu dun feel like doing this experiment, perhaps another mechanically-literate fella ? ben_vulpes ?) |
| 10:44 |
thestringpuller |
asciilifeform: i don't like posting reddit links as not to infect the channel |
| 10:45 |
asciilifeform |
thestringpuller: again, if you ~mention~ a thing that is happening solely on reddit, it is just the same as linking |
| 10:45 |
asciilifeform |
may as well link |
| 10:45 |
thestringpuller |
but since you asked nicely: https://www.reddit.com/r/btc/comments/4tr8ir/now_its_bitcoins_turn_eths_hard_fork_was_a/ |
| 10:45 |
asciilifeform |
because i sure as fuck ain't going ~looking~ for it |
| 10:45 |
asciilifeform |
ty thestringpuller . |
| 10:45 |
thestringpuller |
that's 1 of many |
| 10:46 |
asciilifeform |
lulzy |
| 10:46 |
asciilifeform |
they fired already ? |
| 10:46 |
asciilifeform |
and, what, traditional-eth vanished immediately ? |
| 10:47 |
asciilifeform |
no one bothered to set off 'difficulty bomb' ? etc |
| 10:48 |
thestringpuller |
nope. it was all staged to act as fud to get Bitcoin to hardfork while creating FED-chain. |
| 10:48 |
thestringpuller |
Never though Ethereum would become more scandalous than paycoin. |
| 11:00 |
mircea_popescu |
thestringpuller you realise you're about the only reader ver actually has ? |
| 11:05 |
phf |
Framedragger: re ipython you could probably avoid all the discussions about right and wrong by simply doing and then presenting the result |
| 11:05 |
thestringpuller |
mircea_popescu: Reading involves comprehension. I merely glance over it for lulz. I invest more focus on reading my comic books than Ver. |
| 11:06 |
mircea_popescu |
phf word. |
| 11:07 |
mircea_popescu |
thestringpuller rotate the lolcow ? preferably towards something with tits ? |
| 11:07 |
mircea_popescu |
asciilifeform well no one bothered to actually hold any of the tokens, either, so... |
| 11:08 |
thestringpuller |
mircea_popescu: i used to read amanda b johnson. But she is more for the children I think. |
| 11:08 |
mircea_popescu |
$google amanda b johnson |
| 11:08 |
deedbot |
https://twitter.com/thedailydecrypt << The Daily Decrypt (@TheDailyDecrypt) | Twitter | http://cointelegraph.com/authors/amanda_b._johnson << Amanda B. Johnson | https://forum.bitcoin.com/bitcoin-discussion/amanda-billyrock-is-amanda-b-johnson-of-the-daily-decrypt-t6027.html << Re: Amanda Billyrock is Amanda B. Johnson of The Daily Decrypt |
| 11:08 |
asciilifeform |
mircea_popescu: nobody no one ? not even on the battleship mircea_popescurora ? |
| 11:10 |
mircea_popescu |
asciilifeform eh what do i care what they do. the idea here is "o look, a scamcoin nobody holds managed to hardfork. this is about as relevant to bitcoin as guy soiling his pants and then washing them in the sink. I AM ROVER GER AND I THINK ITS TIME FOR BITCOIN TO! " |
| 11:10 |
asciilifeform |
why bother with the etherape thing only to release the mouse, still alive and well, from the mousetrap later ? |
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| 11:10 |
asciilifeform |
i dun get it |
| 11:13 |
shinohai |
Mouse is dead, just doesn't know it yet. |
| 11:13 |
phf |
"i'm not dead yet" |
| 11:14 |
asciilifeform |
i suppose we can add it to the very very long list of items which are supposedly 'dead' but continue to live, spraying out ecological poison left and right that will take eons to clean up |
| 11:15 |
mircea_popescu |
wait, ~I~ should clean up ? what am i, someone's wife ? |
| 11:15 |
asciilifeform |
didn't say that anybody in particular ought to clean up. |
| 11:16 |
asciilifeform |
but am surprised that whoever took the bother of raping dao, did not follow through. |
| 11:16 |
mircea_popescu |
the boat issue goes way the fuck deeper than you realise. |
| 11:16 |
asciilifeform |
hm? |
| 11:16 |
mircea_popescu |
you're wide open, in a security sense, because of this notion of cleanliness. |
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| 11:17 |
mircea_popescu |
who in his right mind would close a hole in teh mit budget ? by all means, let them succeed and keep on succeeding, like they've won the war in the middle east. |
| 11:17 |
asciilifeform |
by not firing the control shot, dao raper allowed mit to close own hole. |
| 11:20 |
thestringpuller |
phf: "i'm not dead yet" << "i'm still alive"? |
| 11:21 |
phf |
thestringpuller: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UPatfgoNBRo |
| 11:21 |
mircea_popescu |
damn, i thought it was the black knight always triumphs. |
| 11:23 |
deedbot |
[Trilema] Were I... - http://trilema.com/2016/were-i/ |
| 11:37 |
phf |
http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-19#1506567 << i've been going through that exercise with code recently, where the original developer abandoned the project and there's a new maintainer. the exercise is to see how much of it is gendered pronouns. not surprisingly in many cases for every 1 bug fixed, there's a dozen entirely inconsequential commits. file shuffles, renames, code removals, README copyright updates, that sort of stuff. it's like nobody's |
| 11:37 |
phf |
writing code anymore |
| 11:37 |
a111 |
Logged on 2016-07-19 23:51 asciilifeform: if you subtract obvious drepperisms, 'comment commits' by genderfucks, etc. - you end up with circa-'90s mass every time. |
| 11:38 |
asciilifeform |
but 'I HAZ MILLION COMMITZ!121111' |
| 11:38 |
asciilifeform |
mega-cv, such hireable, etc. |
| 11:38 |
phf |
github streak |
| 11:38 |
asciilifeform |
and if you dun hire, 'DISCRIMINATION!1111' |
| 11:39 |
asciilifeform |
recall the 'flycheck' thread ? |
| 11:39 |
asciilifeform |
often there is ~whole project~ which consists of gendercommit. |
| 11:39 |
asciilifeform |
as in, it NEVER had the slightest legitimate reason to exist. |
| 11:39 |
phf |
"contributor to X, Y and Z, wasn't hired because obviously your organization is -ist" |
| 11:39 |
asciilifeform |
any of it. |
| 11:40 |
asciilifeform |
'to examine a granfalloon, remove the skin of a toy balloon' (tm) (r) (vonnegut) |
| 11:41 |
phf |
i saw one of those operators in action yesterday, rme of clozure cl is doing "open office hours" on irc, and They come. "why are you using ccldoc instead of BIG PACKAGE NAME??? i want to change docs to BIG PACKAGE NAME for increased adoption" "why are there stale useless files? i want to remove them to improve maintainability" etc. |
| 11:42 |
asciilifeform |
lel |
| 11:43 |
phf |
so i push back on the guy, rme says "let's change subject", within minutes guy goes "it's late here i gotta go to sleep" |
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| 11:43 |
asciilifeform |
i dun get why more folks won't declare total war. |
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| 11:44 |
asciilifeform |
what does rme (who i know nothing of..) have to lose ? |
| 11:44 |
asciilifeform |
why 'change subject' |
| 11:44 |
asciilifeform |
why not 'die in a fire, scum' |
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| 11:46 |
phf |
perhaps they don't see it as an existential threat |
| 11:46 |
asciilifeform |
decade ago - i could even see |
| 11:46 |
asciilifeform |
but today - one would have to be clinically stupid |
| 11:47 |
asciilifeform |
count, merely, the software packages that CANNOT BE USED today, that worked fine decade ago |
| 11:47 |
asciilifeform |
(xpdf...) |
| 11:48 |
phf |
well, they don't realize anything changed. decade ago a newbie was younger version of you, today with some chance a newbie might still be a younger version of you, but much more likely it's a person who never knew you had to wash hands after bathroom there purely to turn everything that you've built to shit |
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| 11:50 |
phf |
also culture was gutted. it was acceptable to be an asshole a decade ago, now flaming someone on irc is equivalent of voting for trump. |
| 11:50 |
asciilifeform |
or xmms ! |
| 11:50 |
asciilifeform |
or consider the contortions you must go through, to build geda |
| 11:50 |
asciilifeform |
or 1,001 other once-commonplace breads and butters of linux world |
| 11:51 |
phf |
progress! |
| 11:55 |
phf |
it's kind of funny that xmms got "replaced" with various itunes clones. i had at various points a very large partially pirated, partially salvaged, partially ripped collection of music and i'm convinced that there's nothing better than an fs level folder structure for managing music. |
| 11:56 |
asciilifeform |
^ |
| 11:56 |
asciilifeform |
i've been using command-line players ever since. |
| 11:56 |
asciilifeform |
not fun, but no real alternative. |
| 11:56 |
asciilifeform |
FUCK 'metadata in file', 'libraries', etc. |
| 11:57 |
asciilifeform |
the muppets who 'i Just Want just like itunes...' must be expelled from civilized computing. |
| 11:57 |
asciilifeform |
its continuation as whatever going concern is incompatible with their presence |
| 11:57 |
phf |
"oh your carefully annotated rip of late 80s punk tape of misc artists is all different artists. let me helpfully spawn a folder per track for you. a cover art scan? kek!" |
| 11:58 |
asciilifeform |
just as you cannot have a theatre that is also a dairy farm |
| 12:02 |
phf |
there was a pleasant notion of ownership with xmms, your playlist becomes an organic thing with a state, with most listened artists at the top, sequences organically created that align with your personal feel for harmony, etc. without bringing that whole aspy ocd file management into the equation. can't really do it with cli. |
| 12:03 |
asciilifeform |
aha, all i get is bash history |
| 12:04 |
asciilifeform |
sorta like going from 'bic' lighter to flint. |
| 12:04 |
asciilifeform |
yes, can haz fire... |
| 12:04 |
asciilifeform |
but. |
| 12:06 |
mircea_popescu |
http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-20#1507132 ~same reason folks don't get laid. |
| 12:06 |
a111 |
Logged on 2016-07-20 15:43 asciilifeform: i dun get why more folks won't declare total war. |
| 12:06 |
asciilifeform |
not same. total war, you can declare.. alone. |
| 12:06 |
mircea_popescu |
the space between not getting laid and noticing you're not getting laid is short. the space from the noticing to the fixing however... |
| 12:06 |
phf |
i have friends who still swear by winamp |
| 12:06 |
asciilifeform |
l0l |
| 12:07 |
asciilifeform |
and win95 to go with it ? |
| 12:07 |
mircea_popescu |
i still swear by winamp! |
| 12:07 |
asciilifeform |
mircea_popescu: on what do you run it? 'wine' ? |
| 12:07 |
mircea_popescu |
runs on os X! |
| 12:07 |
asciilifeform |
lel srsly? |
| 12:07 |
mircea_popescu |
oya. |
| 12:08 |
asciilifeform |
http://www.winamp.com << whatddayaknow |
| 12:08 |
mircea_popescu |
one of my secret lulz, for all the extra holes apple gets in here, nobody goes "stfu winamp" |
| 12:08 |
asciilifeform |
and since when did mircea_popescu keep a crappletron in his fleet |
| 12:08 |
asciilifeform |
then again he probably has a vax also. |
| 12:08 |
mircea_popescu |
i keep gurlz! |
| 12:09 |
asciilifeform |
fair'nuff |
| 12:10 |
phf |
asciilifeform: you can get winamps of some vintage that still run on recent windows machines |
| 12:10 |
asciilifeform |
i've historically kept crapple boxen around for various occasions (commercial proggies for which no substitute exists, etc) |
| 12:11 |
mircea_popescu |
winamp is prolly the best example of niche owner. |
| 12:11 |
asciilifeform |
ida is ~the~ example |
| 12:11 |
mircea_popescu |
for as long as this "music library" thing was a thing, winamp was the thing for it. |
| 12:11 |
trinque |
runs great on wine too; I ran it there longer than on winderz |
| 12:11 |
mircea_popescu |
asciilifeform wait, we're counting proprietary shits now ? |
| 12:11 |
trinque |
2.x vintage |
| 12:11 |
asciilifeform |
mircea_popescu: we're counting 'niche owners' |
| 12:12 |
mircea_popescu |
well then most of them will be "tivo software owns tivo niche" |
| 12:12 |
mircea_popescu |
the idea is, others could have ; haven't. |
| 12:12 |
asciilifeform |
ida is the example of 'sole inhabitant of niche' |
| 12:12 |
mircea_popescu |
not a niche, more like a cranny. |
| 12:14 |
asciilifeform |
mircea_popescu: used by pretty much 100% of reversers, auditors, etc. for whatever cpu ever manufactured. |
| 12:14 |
mircea_popescu |
http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-20#1507141 << this "newbie was an earlier version of you" never fucking happened in reality. it was just the fashionable hash for the pipe the wikipedia-generation idiots were smoking. |
| 12:14 |
a111 |
Logged on 2016-07-20 15:48 phf: well, they don't realize anything changed. decade ago a newbie was younger version of you, today with some chance a newbie might still be a younger version of you, but much more likely it's a person who never knew you had to wash hands after bathroom there purely to turn everything that you've built to shit |
| 12:14 |
asciilifeform |
ditto 0day hunters, etc. |
| 12:14 |
mircea_popescu |
asciilifeform in dispute is not the ownership part, but the niche part. it's not a niche! |
| 12:14 |
asciilifeform |
i have nfi what, then, is a niche. |
| 12:15 |
asciilifeform |
reversing is just as much a functional niche as 'music play' |
| 12:15 |
asciilifeform |
or 'drawing proggy' |
| 12:15 |
mircea_popescu |
hm. |
| 12:15 |
mircea_popescu |
ok fine! |
| 12:15 |
mircea_popescu |
mr "oh i'll never run someone's binary give me my ida!" |
| 12:15 |
asciilifeform |
hey i run virii |
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| 12:15 |
asciilifeform |
used to do it, for a living, even. |
| 12:16 |
asciilifeform |
have entire room of machines devoted to same. |
| 12:16 |
mircea_popescu |
http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-30#1493407 |
| 12:16 |
a111 |
Logged on 2016-06-30 15:38 asciilifeform: trinque: fact remains, if you think i'm gonna run a binary, ANYONE's binary, for whatever reason, yer smoking dope. |
| 12:16 |
mircea_popescu |
now what ? negrate for scam ??? |
| 12:16 |
asciilifeform |
'run' here shorthand for 'on battlestation' |
| 12:16 |
asciilifeform |
picture i were to run a pesticide shop |
| 12:17 |
asciilifeform |
does it mean i eat chrorophos for breakfast ? |
| 12:17 |
asciilifeform |
*chlorophos |
| 12:17 |
mircea_popescu |
hey, i'm not the one sprouting spurious absolutes, which is why i'm not the one with this problem. what picture. |
| 12:17 |
* |
trinque lols |
| 12:18 |
asciilifeform |
i suppose my assumption that ~everyone~ has distinct 'circles of hell' for running proggies, is baseless |
| 12:18 |
asciilifeform |
so consider it explained. |
| 12:18 |
asciilifeform |
different machines, for different purposes, on different lans, etc. |
| 12:18 |
mircea_popescu |
well no, but your assumption that you making a general statement will be taken as made rather than modified ad-hoc is not only unwarranted, but actually contrary to your declared preference. |
| 12:18 |
mircea_popescu |
what, you're talking ascii ? |
| 12:19 |
mircea_popescu |
"everyone is welcome to substitute it randomly" ? |
| 12:19 |
asciilifeform |
neh simply forgot to explain that i 'redefined number 2' |
| 12:19 |
asciilifeform |
so - here you go, 'run' does not mean 'run all in one pot' |
| 12:19 |
mircea_popescu |
which is culpable, seeing how the entire argument there hinged on the definition of number 2. |
| 12:19 |
asciilifeform |
just like i take a shit, you should not assume that i did it in same room i sleep and eat in. |
| 12:19 |
mircea_popescu |
it's one thing to do this like i do it on trilema ; but it's another to do it in the face of contention. |
| 12:19 |
asciilifeform |
even if it turns out that most folks do. |
| 12:20 |
asciilifeform |
(why? nfi, maybe they are in jail) |
| 12:20 |
mircea_popescu |
the latter is how ambitious if incompetent lawyers lose 90% of the cases they lose. |
| 12:20 |
asciilifeform |
mircea_popescu has a point here, but i did consider 'run' to have been explained eons ago, when i publicly described my profession. |
| 12:21 |
mircea_popescu |
check out all the unexpected trouble one can stir up out of entirely left field dao. |
| 12:21 |
asciilifeform |
lel |
| 12:22 |
asciilifeform |
incidentally i might not even ~know~ all of the assumptions which some luser somewhere might read into the text. mircea_popescu reminds me that most of'em probably think 'he has 1 computer, and 1 lan' |
| 12:22 |
asciilifeform |
but what else? |
| 12:22 |
asciilifeform |
i might not even be able to catalogue what else. |
| 12:23 |
asciilifeform |
this would require a dedicated anthropological dig |
| 12:23 |
asciilifeform |
by qualified specialist. |
| 12:23 |
shinohai |
http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-20#1507203 <<< what are `virii` ? |
| 12:23 |
a111 |
Logged on 2016-07-20 16:15 asciilifeform: hey i run virii |
| 12:23 |
asciilifeform |
shinohai: malware in the general case. |
| 12:23 |
mircea_popescu |
asciilifeform hey, they keep thinking "mp has one suit", so why not. |
| 12:23 |
asciilifeform |
shinohai: e.g., 'cryptolocker' |
| 12:24 |
asciilifeform |
mircea_popescu: lulzy, even i have >1 |
| 12:24 |
mircea_popescu |
you're "men with jobs, jerry! and secretaries!" whereas average http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-20#1507131 has one stale pizza box and one pizza stained tshirt. |
| 12:24 |
a111 |
Logged on 2016-07-20 15:43 phf: so i push back on the guy, rme says "let's change subject", within minutes guy goes "it's late here i gotta go to sleep" |
| 12:24 |
trinque |
there's a pragmatic distinction here between "this is a statement of holy truth" and "this shovel is currently doubling as guillotine in a pinch" |
| 12:24 |
shinohai |
Kind of imagined you meant plural of viruses there. |
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| 12:25 |
trinque |
nothing wrong with that; I was saying the same yesterday |
| 12:25 |
asciilifeform |
shinohai: 1 per box at a time.. |
| 12:25 |
trinque |
worth probably also giving n00bs the holy truth beating and leaving redefining english to shakespeare |
| 12:26 |
mircea_popescu |
trinque the thing is that you're perfectly allowed to use your own, consistent definitions, even if they may contradict "the common sense" ; provided that a) they are consistent ~and stable enough so as not to change by context~ and b) you're capable of expliciting them on request and this will not contradict previous construction. ie - you may have any graph you wish (chiefly because anyone does anyway, "community consensus" |
| 12:26 |
mircea_popescu |
is not a thing, no matter what it pretends), but it must have no cycles in it. |
| 12:26 |
mircea_popescu |
of neither kind. |
| 12:26 |
asciilifeform |
trinque: no redefinitions involved. i run'em. what's the problem. |
| 12:26 |
trinque |
mircea_popescu: I see it |
| 12:27 |
asciilifeform |
y'know, hobo wears a shirt. mircea_popescu wears a shirt. etc. no contradictions involved. |
| 12:27 |
mircea_popescu |
(cycle kind 1 : when your definitions can be forced into a cycle by changing contexts ; cycle kind 2 : when your definitions can be forced into a cycle by changing spot in time) |
| 12:27 |
mircea_popescu |
asciilifeform my shirt was weaved out of virgin tears tho! |
| 12:27 |
asciilifeform |
rule #1 of vtronics: no cyclez!1111111 |
| 12:27 |
mircea_popescu |
aha. |
| 12:28 |
mircea_popescu |
asciilifeform you know ? it's actuallty much huger than originally realised ; v is actually a model of knowledge in the general sense. |
| 12:28 |
asciilifeform |
mircea_popescu: didja know: if you forbid cycles, mark'n'sweek garbage collection works ? |
| 12:28 |
asciilifeform |
this has implications beyond gc. |
| 12:28 |
mircea_popescu |
which is by itself an achievement which dwarfs the accomplishments of the entire current genewration of anthropologists and kinda takes my breath away. |
| 12:28 |
asciilifeform |
*sweep |
| 12:28 |
mircea_popescu |
yeah. |
| 12:28 |
mircea_popescu |
i think we're sitting on a poorly understood oilpatch. |
| 12:28 |
asciilifeform |
anyway it is a good knife, now folks must pick it up, cut. |
| 12:29 |
asciilifeform |
it is not the sword from norse saga, won't fight by itself. |
| 12:29 |
mircea_popescu |
trinque anyway, trilema is a foremost example of "i have my set of defintions and you likely don't know what they are ; nor will likely figure it out through a whole article - shit's too fine." |
| 12:29 |
mircea_popescu |
drives people up the walls. |
| 12:31 |
mircea_popescu |
part of the problem is obviously that english is a language spoken by idiots, and it shows. but this isn't a large part and certainly not the largest part - i was doing the same thing in romanian. arguably much worse - people don't realise romanian is ALSO mostly spoken by idiots. |
| 12:32 |
mircea_popescu |
anyway. fucking javascript of a language if i ever saw one, this english thing. how do you people live ? |
| 12:32 |
asciilifeform |
mircea_popescu: never forget, it is a commercial pidgin |
| 12:32 |
asciilifeform |
not a language, really, hasn't been in eons. |
| 12:33 |
mircea_popescu |
how do i humorously say "male whore" as in, "curv", which is the never-seen but PERFECTLY GRAMMATICAL masculine of curva, whore ? |
| 12:33 |
asciilifeform |
'puto' ! |
| 12:33 |
mircea_popescu |
aha lol. |
| 12:33 |
mircea_popescu |
asciilifeform and yes but it drives stupidity such as chomsky's rank nonsense about "what is gramatical". if you recall that recently linked essay. |
| 12:33 |
asciilifeform |
i guess anglicization might be 'he-whore' |
| 12:33 |
asciilifeform |
no worse than 'she-wolf' |
| 12:34 |
asciilifeform |
ilsa, she-wolf of auschwitz!111 |
| 12:34 |
mircea_popescu |
i'd rather use hoare - hor if forced to do something with it. |
| 12:34 |
mircea_popescu |
$google blutjunge verfuhrerinnen |
| 12:34 |
deedbot |
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0066852/ << Blutjunge Verführerinnen (1971) - IMDb | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-rgTKczaris << Blutjunge Verfuhrerinnen 197 - YouTube | http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0068298/ << Blutjunge Verführerinnen 3. Teil (1972) - IMDb |
| 12:34 |
asciilifeform |
aha, it. |
| 12:34 |
asciilifeform |
'misleaderess' |
| 12:35 |
mircea_popescu |
http://trilema.com/2012/blutjunge-verfuhrerinnen/ < for the rophone. |
| 12:37 |
PeterL |
http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-20#1507007 << are you familliar with the SMILES system of notation? |
| 12:37 |
a111 |
Logged on 2016-07-20 14:34 mircea_popescu: i'm even amenable to saying ::oc/C-COH-C:: |
| 12:37 |
mircea_popescu |
PeterL not very. |
| 12:37 |
PeterL |
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simplified_molecular-input_line-entry_system |
| 12:37 |
mircea_popescu |
but mind, i wasn't seriously proposing this be used ; just ad-hoc showing that it can be. |
| 12:37 |
asciilifeform |
PeterL: aha, i had this! in chemgroup's 'MOE' |
| 12:37 |
asciilifeform |
PeterL: which i programmed for, every day, for years, long ago. |
| 12:38 |
mircea_popescu |
PeterL it's kinda what i was doing pedestrianly. |
| 12:38 |
asciilifeform |
mircea_popescu: it's ~only use is to key in structures from journals, and to keep'em in db |
| 12:38 |
PeterL |
I only use it by drawing the structure and having it generate the SMILES, which can be, E.G. pasted into another program |
| 12:38 |
asciilifeform |
it is not meant for human consumption!1111 |
| 12:38 |
asciilifeform |
aha, PeterL has it. |
| 12:39 |
mircea_popescu |
asciilifeform fu you're not to speak for humans! PeterL sure, and most people only write html by clicking on buttons. but i like to type my shit out. |
| 12:39 |
asciilifeform |
and yes you can close rings, etc. but it rapidly turns into a regexp-like monster. |
| 12:39 |
PeterL |
its like trying to see a picture by looking at the bit values, works better if you have a program draw it out for you |
| 12:39 |
mircea_popescu |
asciilifeform you wilfully ignore the benefit this exercise has for thinking. |
| 12:39 |
asciilifeform |
mircea_popescu: my point was that everyone who worked in chemistry in any capacity since '90s or so, has used it, but no one works WITH it on paper or in head ! |
| 12:40 |
mircea_popescu |
PeterL depends man. if i am involved in a process of trying to understand something, which may take many hours to many months, that i am saved five minutes for a typing out is not necessarily useful. |
| 12:40 |
mircea_popescu |
maybe i'm using that as a thinking support. which i usually am. |
| 12:40 |
asciilifeform |
PeterL: you may have missed mega-thread earlier , where mircea_popescu suggested that the pictures are unnecessary because the textual representation is possible. |
| 12:40 |
mircea_popescu |
asciilifeform i am willing to state that the reason nobody discovered anything interesting since the 90s or so is because they haven't. |
| 12:41 |
asciilifeform |
wake me up when there is any support for this hypothesis. |
| 12:41 |
mircea_popescu |
obviously, if you'e looking at a picture of snatch, catlols etc, best to scroll through. if you are trying to decide if there is or is not a nuclear base there ; a cancer cell there, etc |
| 12:41 |
mircea_popescu |
you WILL look at the fucking bit values |
| 12:41 |
asciilifeform |
overall i agree with 'folks dumbly copy, paste, dun think things through' |
| 12:41 |
mircea_popescu |
you will, or you're no good. |
| 12:42 |
asciilifeform |
you will look at the ~relevant~ zoom level. |
| 12:42 |
mircea_popescu |
no, because bullshit interpolation is no good. |
| 12:42 |
asciilifeform |
rather than at protons of cancer cell, because you get the notion that they differ from regular protons in your garden. |
| 12:43 |
mircea_popescu |
they do. they're the protons of the cancer cell. |
| 12:43 |
mircea_popescu |
the world was built on logos. deal with it. |
| 12:43 |
mircea_popescu |
fucking inept wanna-be demiurge of drawing shit omg. |
| 12:43 |
PeterL |
protons differ, that is how NMR/MRI works |
| 12:43 |
mircea_popescu |
$google "fiat lux, zise cu gura plina, si pe loc se si facu lumina" |
| 12:43 |
deedbot |
No results. |
| 12:43 |
mircea_popescu |
pff. |
| 12:44 |
asciilifeform |
PeterL: they differ like the letters on my keyboard differ from yours. |
| 12:44 |
PeterL |
isn't your keyboard cyrilic? |
| 12:44 |
asciilifeform |
no? |
| 12:44 |
* |
asciilifeform never in his entire life owned a non-latin kbd |
| 12:45 |
asciilifeform |
though... i might have a japanese one somewhere. |
| 12:45 |
PeterL |
nevermind, was supposed to be joke |
| 12:45 |
asciilifeform |
pretty sure i do. |
| 12:45 |
asciilifeform |
PeterL: phf i think might have a genuine cyrillic kbd somewhere |
| 12:45 |
asciilifeform |
i haven't even ~seen~ one since '92 or so |
| 12:45 |
asciilifeform |
PeterL: most orc folk use transliteratrons of one kind or another. |
| 12:47 |
PeterL |
OK, but still, there are differing protons. Not all are the same, just like not all keys on the keyboard are the same, is that the metaphor you were going for? |
| 12:47 |
asciilifeform |
if you heat the thing to 5000K and they come out, they will be same as any other proton. |
| 12:48 |
PeterL |
yes, so? |
| 12:48 |
asciilifeform |
so they are same. |
| 12:48 |
PeterL |
they have the potential to be the same, right now they are different |
| 12:48 |
asciilifeform |
the idempotence of items like electron is whole basis of chemistry. |
| 12:48 |
asciilifeform |
they are not different, just emplaced differently. |
| 12:48 |
mircea_popescu |
asciilifeform> if you heat the thing to 5000K and they come out << dude... gohead cancer to 500k. wtf is with you. |
| 12:49 |
PeterL |
what does that have to do with graphical/alphabetic notations? |
| 12:49 |
asciilifeform |
discussing idempotence of the parts. |
| 12:49 |
mircea_popescu |
but you're discussing something that is entirely unrelated to what we were discussing. |
| 12:49 |
asciilifeform |
PeterL: the zoom levels item. |
| 12:49 |
mircea_popescu |
this is not discusing! |
| 12:49 |
asciilifeform |
and mircea_popescu's assertion that 'you ought to take the benzyl ring and look at the bits of the jpeg' |
| 12:50 |
asciilifeform |
granted, it is difficult to avoid doing this, mentally, on occasion - when dealing with, e.g., vsepr |
| 12:51 |
mircea_popescu |
what i said was that a) ultimately all data is in point of fact data, and unless you're fucking around you will wish to look at the data ; b) that "Saving time" is only useful to people in a hurry ; and people thinking are seldomly in a hurry. rather than play with a desk weight while i try to comprehend x item, i might as well longhand its structure. |
| 12:51 |
asciilifeform |
'the data' is not strictly defined, nor the instrument with which to look productively - raster display, or teletype, or play it through the sound card (i sometimes do...) |
| 12:51 |
mircea_popescu |
and, to all unstubborn engineers and others present : when encountering a difficult problem, do try and EXPLAIN IT. in writing. |
| 12:51 |
asciilifeform |
i've experimented with playing protein structures, yes, through sound card. |
| 12:52 |
mircea_popescu |
it's the fundamental reason "correspondence" even exists as a thing in science. |
| 12:52 |
mircea_popescu |
language makes people smarter. |
| 12:52 |
asciilifeform |
~correct abstraction~ makes people smarter. |
| 12:52 |
asciilifeform |
sometimes, it is a custom language. |
| 12:53 |
asciilifeform |
sometimes - plastic motherfucking models. |
| 12:53 |
asciilifeform |
(nobody ever beat these for chem) |
| 12:53 |
asciilifeform |
NOBODY. |
| 12:53 |
mircea_popescu |
it's also a large part of why i even bother with trilema, otherwise i could just put up a page consisting of http://trilema.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/penis.jpg |
| 12:54 |
asciilifeform |
l0l |
| |
~ 1 hours 32 minutes ~ |
| 14:26 |
phf |
i think i might've had a cyrillic keyboard at some point. fwiw they are usually dual labeled, e.g. on Q you're also going to have a smaller Й somewhere on the side |
| 14:27 |
phf |
i haven't seen one of those since russia though. or maybe i brought it with my old computer, but strange i probably would've kept it. |
| 14:31 |
phf |
http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-19#1506525 << it's not fiction, the facts are sourced, the interpretation that bey puts on them is his own though and i feel like he often stretches it to keep the narrative consistent with the "utopias" part of his premise |
| 14:31 |
a111 |
Logged on 2016-07-19 23:22 mats: oh wait, these are fictional huh |
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~ 29 minutes ~ |
| 15:00 |
mircea_popescu |
guy's some brit though neh ? |
| 15:13 |
thestringpuller |
i have a puzzle for http developers |
| 15:13 |
thestringpuller |
so i copy a raw http request from soapui, i put it into the raw section of postman |
| 15:13 |
thestringpuller |
SOAPUI gets the correct response, postman causes 500 error |
| 15:16 |
jurov |
what's soapui and psotman? |
| 15:18 |
jurov |
it can be caused by millionc possible things |
| |
~ 36 minutes ~ |
| 15:54 |
mircea_popescu |
put wireshark on, see what the difference is. |
| 15:55 |
mircea_popescu |
alternatively, send telnet/curl raw like sane ppl. wtf is postman. |
| 15:55 |
trinque |
teh parallel with "look at the data!!" from earlier vs "UI" as styled high-level API |
| 15:56 |
mircea_popescu |
ikr? |
| 15:56 |
mircea_popescu |
and teh parallel with http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-19#1506568 |
| 15:56 |
a111 |
Logged on 2016-07-19 23:51 mircea_popescu: at this point, project either delivers and is done or takes on life of own. if takes on life, then 3. more wizards are added, they slowly asm-ify the loops, inside out. |
| 15:56 |
mircea_popescu |
sooner or later all abstraction melts away. |
| 15:59 |
mircea_popescu |
oh and speaking of http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-18#1504500 : so i was scammed into watching A TV SHOW. not substantially different from "pride and prejudice"/random televisa production. lotta spurious "interpersonal relations" shots without much logic interspersed with meaningless "warfare" shots without much logic. |
| 15:59 |
a111 |
Logged on 2016-07-18 00:43 asciilifeform: ;;later tell mircea_popescu re: http://trilema.com/2016/sobieski-si-romanii , didja ever see mega-film 'ogniem i mieczem' ? |
| 16:01 |
asciilifeform |
mircea_popescu: did you even see same thing i saw ? |
| 16:01 |
asciilifeform |
it was a 3-parter - iirc part 1 made in '90s, 2 - '80s, 3 - '70s (yes) |
| 16:02 |
mircea_popescu |
4 parts, with a deeply inept izabella scorupco |
| 16:02 |
asciilifeform |
4?! |
| 16:03 |
mircea_popescu |
yeah. well i only managed to get through ~1.5 |
| 16:03 |
mircea_popescu |
fucking bond extras thinking themselves actresses wtf is this. |
| 16:04 |
mircea_popescu |
what did you like anyway, the costumes ? |
| 16:04 |
asciilifeform |
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0064785 http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0072021 and http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0128378 . that makes 3 |
| 16:04 |
asciilifeform |
what was 4 ? |
| 16:04 |
mircea_popescu |
ugh. i guess ima go look now. |
| 16:06 |
mircea_popescu |
4th starts wqith scene of ilsa in shot with the bizarro "witch" woman (typical televisa shot, both face the camera, because totally this is how people interact) ; ends with balcony scene of the obnoxious derp + ilsa wedding. |
| 16:06 |
asciilifeform |
yeah but wtf was 4th? when filmed ? can haz imdb ? |
| 16:06 |
mircea_popescu |
wtf was with that guy, there's a montage worth a good 10 minutes of him gurning meaninglessly at the [mostly burning] scenery |
| 16:07 |
mircea_popescu |
asciilifeform i suspect it might have just been re-cut for convenience ? |
| 16:07 |
asciilifeform |
this is possible. |
| 16:07 |
mircea_popescu |
ie, they made it into 4 parts. |
| 16:07 |
asciilifeform |
so which of these did mircea_popescu see 1.5 of ? |
| 16:07 |
mircea_popescu |
tho it starts and ends with credits, so im guessing prolly stolen from some polish tv ? |
| 16:07 |
mircea_popescu |
1 and ~2 |
| 16:07 |
asciilifeform |
ah. |
| 16:07 |
mircea_popescu |
i managed to crawl up to the part where the weird woman reads auspices in water wheel. |
| 16:07 |
asciilifeform |
the older chunks are better. |
| 16:08 |
asciilifeform |
at any rate if mircea_popescu knows of better film about rzeczpospolita, let's have it. |
| 16:08 |
mircea_popescu |
but this is in no sense a film |
| 16:08 |
mircea_popescu |
it's a tv show. like the price is right and jeopardy. |
| 16:09 |
asciilifeform |
y'mean in 20 min chunks with 15m of ads ? |
| 16:09 |
asciilifeform |
mno. |
| 16:09 |
asciilifeform |
it was - film. |
| 16:09 |
mircea_popescu |
i mean it's vignettes of no internal sense, designed to appeal to the emotional brain of middle aged women, strewn together by no glue other than the happenstance of having been so presented. |
| 16:09 |
mircea_popescu |
like porn, exactly. except without the redeeming value of cunt. |
| 16:10 |
asciilifeform |
i'm not actually sure who it was for. i liked because - weird enough. |
| 16:10 |
mircea_popescu |
i suppose "rzeczpospolita" may substitute for the perverse ? |
| 16:10 |
mircea_popescu |
anyways. ima just mark down that you really liked the hats an' move on. |
| 16:10 |
asciilifeform |
i liked the stakes. |
| 16:10 |
mircea_popescu |
same difference. |
| 16:10 |
asciilifeform |
lolk. |
| 16:10 |
mircea_popescu |
fetishism, you understand me ? "i like this book because of the way capital letters are drawn at beginning of paragraph" |
| 16:12 |
asciilifeform |
fair'nuff |
| 16:16 |
mircea_popescu |
one of the very best offerings in comparative cinematography, btw, is imo http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1422122/ ; a collection of 5 or so shorts - coupla of which made by exceptional directors, which shows ; the rest made by inept derps (hanno hofer worst of the lot), and they look exactly like "someone filmed 80 30second ad clips and spliced them together) |
| 16:16 |
mircea_popescu |
if i ran a culture of cinema phd programme i'd spend a few hours with that thing. |
| |
~ 46 minutes ~ |
| 17:02 |
shinohai |
mircea_popescu: re: wordpress so is there a better way to do all this than the lamp behemoth ? |
| 17:04 |
shinohai |
smeday |
| |
~ 17 minutes ~ |
| 17:22 |
trinque |
gonna need an OS, web server, db, programming language neh? |
| 17:24 |
trinque |
shinohai: https://wiki.debian.org/WordPress |
| 17:25 |
trinque |
minus the part where you install the wordpress apt package |
| 17:26 |
trinque |
apt-cache showpkg wordpress << should give ya list of packages you'll need |
| 17:33 |
shinohai |
thx trinque |
| 17:37 |
shinohai |
http://archive.is/YwpPu <<< this is just autism, plain and simple. |
| 17:39 |
mircea_popescu |
shinohai in theory. in practice, no. |
| 17:40 |
mircea_popescu |
in any case, we're way the fuck better off with you putting in the medium-skilled 100s of hours to get this working ; and then gradually improving on that basis - than to wait for someone to put in the 10`000s of hours of very highly qualified work to replace lamp&all. |
| 17:41 |
mircea_popescu |
and no, it's not autism, they're hatching the cornel derp as "expert" for teh future. |
| 17:42 |
mircea_popescu |
shit dun work, but it's all they know how to do, so it's all they're doing. "should be good enough". |
| 17:43 |
mircea_popescu |
and in other coindesk & "mainstream" media matters news, http://65.media.tumblr.com/ea9bfe6523f04b7fa3660d3bd034b83c/tumblr_njzygprU981tme9oio1_1280.jpg |
| 17:51 |
danielpbarron |
and in other channels news >> Clash> I spoof my phone's location to manipulate Pokemon Go. << nifty idea huh? I don't know the game well enough but it sounds like someone could rile up a lot of feathers if they took this concept to the extreme |
| 17:53 |
shinohai |
;;later tell BingoBoingo http://ix.io/15Om |
| 17:53 |
gribble |
The operation succeeded. |
| 17:53 |
thestringpuller |
oh no! |
| 17:57 |
thestringpuller |
;;later tell BingoBoingo http://ix.io/15On |
| 17:57 |
gribble |
The operation succeeded. |
| 18:00 |
trinque |
danielpbarron: cell phone's still a radio beacon at a particular place even if it's lying to whatever API |
| 18:01 |
trinque |
$s stingray |
| 18:01 |
a111 |
11 results for "stingray", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=stingray |
| 18:13 |
mircea_popescu |
danielpbarron not really that hard to do afaik |
| 18:20 |
pete_dushenski |
http://www.lse.ac.uk/economicHistory/workingPapers/2016/WP249.pdf << "The results indicate that scientists, engineers or technicians were not well-represented among the British great inventors, and their contributions remained unspecialized until very late in the nineteenth century. For developing countries today, the implications are that costly investments in specialized human capital resources might be |
| 18:20 |
pete_dushenski |
less important than incentives for creativity, flexibility, and the ability to make incremental adjustments that can transform existing technologies into inventions that are appropriate for prevailing domestic conditions." << basically get the govn't out of the way and que sera sera, the meat will be what it'll be. |
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| 18:25 |
pete_dushenski |
http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-20#1506866 << i guess i don't subscribe to the theory of server scarcity. at least not any more than the theory of global food scarcity. if server only does one thing for one man, so be it. |
| 18:25 |
a111 |
Logged on 2016-07-20 04:07 ben_vulpes: go, try to remove cpanel from a machine. |
| 18:26 |
ben_vulpes |
feel free to boil shit in gutter oil in your own kitchen. |
| 18:26 |
ben_vulpes |
just ain't kosher. |
| 18:26 |
ben_vulpes |
and whoever said scarce, or anything like that. |
| 18:26 |
ben_vulpes |
os reinstalls are trivial. |
| 18:26 |
ben_vulpes |
should one care to. |
| 18:26 |
ben_vulpes |
idem server purchases. |
| 18:27 |
pete_dushenski |
http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-20#1506883 << cheers. i'll let you know if i come up with any more questions about cock.li |
| 18:27 |
a111 |
Logged on 2016-07-20 10:47 Framedragger: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-19#1506544 << i've a $10 vps, no complaints, i did the initial ipv4 probing off of that. didn't run any i/o etc benchmarks tho. any particular questions (i can run some benchmark if you want) |
| 18:27 |
ben_vulpes |
"nah it's fine, i'll just have the shit-cooking kitchen *over there*" |
| 18:28 |
pete_dushenski |
ben_vulpes: i'm still not sure i see the angle but it's probably fair to blame my own ignorance on the subject |
| 18:28 |
ben_vulpes |
looks like you 'just want to' server stats from here. |
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| 18:28 |
* |
pete_dushenski isn't chef, still sous sous sous sous chef |
| 18:30 |
pete_dushenski |
i've had no issues with cpanel in the past, nor is 'cpanel doesn't unglue without reformatting' a cause to abandon it in my book |
| 18:30 |
ben_vulpes |
tools you might consider instead, fail2ban, iptables, apache mod_status |
| 18:30 |
ben_vulpes |
should you give a shit |
| 18:31 |
ben_vulpes |
i mean yeah, it's a microwave, to continue the cooking metaphor. |
| 18:31 |
pete_dushenski |
^ |
| 18:31 |
ben_vulpes |
rattles water molecules, makes $thing hot |
| 18:31 |
* |
pete_dushenski is fond of the micro onde |
| 18:32 |
ben_vulpes |
i have a live in chef for food, and my own two hands for servers. |
| 18:32 |
ben_vulpes |
jus ribbin ya |
| 18:32 |
pete_dushenski |
lolk |
| 18:33 |
ben_vulpes |
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ozDDYcyrCNE << ever hear of letterkenny, pete_dushenski ? |
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| 18:33 |
pete_dushenski |
i'm content with a few hot meals a week, the rest, i scavenge. makes the hot meals all the better. |
| 18:34 |
pete_dushenski |
ben_vulpes: hm nope. |
| 18:34 |
* |
pete_dushenski watching |
| 18:34 |
* |
ben_vulpes watches again |
| 18:35 |
pete_dushenski |
btw mazel tov on the new pad, ben_vulpes |
| 18:36 |
ben_vulpes |
ty, that's just money though |
| 18:36 |
ben_vulpes |
fence was the actually onerous thing. |
| 18:37 |
pete_dushenski |
ha, that vid is priceless. |
| 18:37 |
ben_vulpes |
here there's another good one with the hockey players |
| 18:37 |
ben_vulpes |
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9rSBmOgpcDE |
| 18:38 |
pete_dushenski |
ben_vulpes: whaddya mean 'that's just money' ? you did buy house for little vulpes fam, no ? |
| 18:38 |
ben_vulpes |
nono, america es un pais pobre |
| 18:38 |
ben_vulpes |
but the rent and the move etc are just money |
| 18:38 |
pete_dushenski |
lol america can be pobre without you being pobre |
| 18:39 |
pete_dushenski |
i've been looking high and low for a decent house rental |
| 18:39 |
ben_vulpes |
i moved out of the city! |
| 18:39 |
ben_vulpes |
that's the best part |
| 18:39 |
pete_dushenski |
it just... isn't the culture here. pickings are slim as shit. |
| 18:39 |
pete_dushenski |
how far out ? |
| 18:39 |
ben_vulpes |
i saw a few vancouver rentals this weekend |
| 18:39 |
ben_vulpes |
blech |
| 18:40 |
ben_vulpes |
8.3 ish miles from the office |
| 18:40 |
ben_vulpes |
35 minute ride in and out |
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| 18:40 |
ben_vulpes |
85%+ of it on dedicated bike routes |
| 18:40 |
ben_vulpes |
and by dedicated i mean physically segregated and no stopping. |
| 18:40 |
ben_vulpes |
'springwater corridor' etc |
| 18:41 |
ben_vulpes |
quite idyllic, and far enough out that people whose egos are tied up in |
| 18:41 |
ben_vulpes |
'living in portland' aren't interested |
| 18:41 |
ben_vulpes |
plus the american flags and crosses and big pickups tend to scare the hipsters away. |
| 18:42 |
pete_dushenski |
sounds... lovely. |
| 18:42 |
ben_vulpes |
no sidewalks. |
| 18:42 |
ben_vulpes |
i did not envision living in a neighborhood without sidewalks. |
| 18:42 |
pete_dushenski |
and you can cycle year round neh ? |
| 18:42 |
ben_vulpes |
i mean raingear's a thing |
| 18:43 |
ben_vulpes |
kinda obligatory in the summer for commuters due to the wacky climate dynamics in the area. |
| 18:43 |
ben_vulpes |
"most likely won't rain" every day |
| 18:43 |
ben_vulpes |
*even* in the summer. |
| 18:44 |
pete_dushenski |
http://monroenews.media.clients.ellingtoncms.com/img/photos/2014/02/16/Outdoors_Fat_Bikes_Gorc_t670.jpg?b3f6a5d7692ccc373d56e40cf708e3fa67d9af9d << this is what winter riding looks like 'round these parts. |
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| 18:44 |
ben_vulpes |
haw |
| 18:44 |
pete_dushenski |
i'm halfway considering 'fat tire' cycle even |
| 18:45 |
ben_vulpes |
give this town two inches of snow and you get https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YCoxOReXlHI |
| 18:45 |
ben_vulpes |
happens pretty reliably once every other winter or so |
| 18:46 |
pete_dushenski |
in other news no one here can use, i'm brokering a rather minty 1991 porsche 964/911 carrera 4 coupe manual if anyone's in the air-cooled market. |
| 18:46 |
* |
ben_vulpes has enough cars, salivating over pickups and haustrucks these days |
| 18:46 |
pete_dushenski |
ben_vulpes: lol mega skillz on display. like 'stars on ice' |
| 18:46 |
ben_vulpes |
town of derps. |
| 18:47 |
ben_vulpes |
and they think they only behave that way /on ice/ |
| 18:48 |
pete_dushenski |
http://bringatrailer.com/listing/1947-mercury-79m-woody-wagon/ << betcha you could make a darling house outta this girl |
| 18:50 |
pete_dushenski |
http://trilema.com/2013/whore-strat/ << ok now this is just flat-out impressive. from whence such a display of creativity and courage ? |
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| 18:51 |
ben_vulpes |
idly considering acquiring several old trailers, rehabing them with ladybird and renting them out |
| 18:51 |
ben_vulpes |
in large part to avoid showing taxable incomes |
| 18:52 |
pete_dushenski |
not a bad strat. |
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| 19:15 |
thestringpuller |
the 90's are alive in portlant |
| 19:15 |
thestringpuller |
portland* |
| 19:17 |
ben_vulpes |
never died |
| 19:19 |
BingoBoingo |
. |
| 19:24 |
BingoBoingo |
People who plead aren't news because not people |
| 19:25 |
BingoBoingo |
also thestringpuller when did shinohai let you on his dpastey thing? |
| 19:25 |
shinohai |
did you tell me you didn't like that pastebin and I forgot ? |
| 19:27 |
BingoBoingo |
Oh it was your piece? |
| 19:27 |
BingoBoingo |
But yeah |
| 19:27 |
BingoBoingo |
pastebin is the suck |
| 19:27 |
BingoBoingo |
Oh, no thestringpuller's sig |
| 19:28 |
BingoBoingo |
But yeah you're the only person to use it and then thestringpuller gets an invite before I do? |
| 19:30 |
shinohai |
i mean, no invite really needed just curl lol |
| 19:31 |
BingoBoingo |
oh, ic |
| 19:31 |
shinohai |
cat article.asc | curl -F 'f:1=<-' ix.io |
| 19:31 |
BingoBoingo |
oh, ic |
| 19:32 |
shinohai |
wordpress makes wiki articles look kinda nice |
| 19:35 |
thestringpuller |
SUre |
| 19:36 |
thestringpuller |
yea. ix.is is good for qntra writers. just make script to dump gpg turd into ix.is and then i can just dump that to irc |
| 19:45 |
phf |
zhttp://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-20#1507246 << it's a term of art from the 90s, back when malware carried exclusively destructive payload, but since then particular broken latin form morphed into oldfag leet speak for "malware" |
| 19:45 |
a111 |
Logged on 2016-07-20 16:24 shinohai: Kind of imagined you meant plural of viruses there. |
| 19:46 |
phf |
pretty sure most 90s script kiddies at some point cracked latin dictionary and went "waitaminute" followed immediately by "well, what the hell, that's kind of cool on its own" |
| 19:48 |
shinohai |
ah kk |
| 19:53 |
thestringpuller |
drop the spike! |
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| 20:17 |
phf |
http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2016/07/kickasstorrents-alleged-founder-artem-vaulin-arrested-in-poland/ |
| 20:18 |
phf |
sux |
| 20:18 |
BingoBoingo |
yeah |
| 20:25 |
deedbot |
[Qntra] Alleged Hero Arrested - http://qntra.net/2016/07/alleged-hero-arrested/ |
| 20:31 |
shinohai |
btw pete_dushenski cheers for `blacked.com` |
| 20:31 |
pete_dushenski |
heh |
| 20:32 |
pete_dushenski |
"specifically the one who though Mark Karpelès did it." << thought. |
| 20:37 |
mircea_popescu |
dang... thisis going to be >1k lines a day isn't it. |
| 20:38 |
BingoBoingo |
fxd |
| 20:40 |
mircea_popescu |
http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-20#1507445 << hence alf's etc "bombmaking in your garage" complaint6. |
| 20:40 |
a111 |
Logged on 2016-07-20 22:20 pete_dushenski: less important than incentives for creativity, flexibility, and the ability to make incremental adjustments that can transform existing technologies into inventions that are appropriate for prevailing domestic conditions." << basically get the govn't out of the way and que sera sera, the meat will be what it'll be. |
| 20:41 |
mircea_popescu |
they have a point. when i cant get a bottle of nitric acid to carelessly spill on table, there's not going to be any inventions. |
| 20:42 |
pete_dushenski |
kudos to B. Zorina Khan for the enlightened perspective. hey, maybe (s)he's even a log reader. |
| 20:43 |
mircea_popescu |
http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-20#1507458 << ftr, awstats or w/e you're using is just a python script, you can get it standalone. |
| 20:43 |
a111 |
Logged on 2016-07-20 22:28 ben_vulpes: looks like you 'just want to' server stats from here. |
| 20:43 |
pete_dushenski |
aha. |
| 20:44 |
ben_vulpes |
the entire point i apparently failed to make. |
| 20:45 |
mircea_popescu |
alternatively, phpmyadmin is also just a script you can get standalone. tho in generall it's a case of "people haven't actually ever tried to cli mysql because nobody ever told them they could" |
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| 20:45 |
ben_vulpes |
repl up |
| 20:45 |
ben_vulpes |
getcher hands dirty |
| 20:45 |
ben_vulpes |
and put that motherfuckin browser down, kid |
| 20:45 |
* |
mircea_popescu still recalls the utter "holy shit" face of chick when shown this magic |
| 20:45 |
mircea_popescu |
I DONT ACTUALLY NEED THE WEB ?!?!?! |
| 20:45 |
ben_vulpes |
no. |
| 20:45 |
ben_vulpes |
no, you don't. |
| 20:45 |
* |
ben_vulpes has seen this face. |
| 20:45 |
mircea_popescu |
you know ? |
| 20:46 |
ben_vulpes |
so well |
| 20:46 |
mircea_popescu |
"of fucking course you can paste sql results into grep. it's called a pipe. and alternatively... you could just write your sql correctly" |
| 20:46 |
mircea_popescu |
*face* |
| 20:46 |
ben_vulpes |
psql will even shit csvs |
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| 20:46 |
ben_vulpes |
asciilifeform: ^^ |
| 20:46 |
mircea_popescu |
:D |
| 20:48 |
ben_vulpes |
tooootally tangentially and not at all related to anything else, would there be any reason to store merkleroots, block/txn hashes as integers vs byte arrays? |
| 20:49 |
mircea_popescu |
should be a fucking data type. |
| 20:49 |
ben_vulpes |
what, "hash" as its own data type? |
| 20:49 |
mircea_popescu |
merkle root as its own data type |
| 20:50 |
ben_vulpes |
well the mr is a hash of hashes, no? doesn't have much structure to it. |
| 20:50 |
ben_vulpes |
the tree, though... |
| 20:50 |
mircea_popescu |
right, right. merkle TREE as its own data type. |
| 20:50 |
ben_vulpes |
yeah, yeah. |
| 20:51 |
mircea_popescu |
i suppose unrelated to your q so nm. |
| 20:51 |
ben_vulpes |
my question is about data in the blockchain. eg merkle roots, block/txn hashes. |
| 20:51 |
ben_vulpes |
don't disagree! just...not relevant. |
| 20:51 |
mircea_popescu |
ya |
| 20:53 |
ben_vulpes |
anyways, very interested on notions about tradeoffs of byte arrays vs. massive integers |
| 20:54 |
mircea_popescu |
http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-20#1507470 << the only good one of this was the one with the southern womenz. i have nfi why everyone thought they could do a version of their own. |
| 20:54 |
a111 |
Logged on 2016-07-20 22:33 ben_vulpes: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ozDDYcyrCNE << ever hear of letterkenny, pete_dushenski ? |
| 20:54 |
mircea_popescu |
they can't. |
| 20:55 |
mircea_popescu |
was this in the logs ? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hUFL2GT1-2g |
| 20:56 |
ben_vulpes |
yes |
| 20:57 |
ben_vulpes |
that's not nearly southern women as it is "women who live in suburbia in the south of usgistan" |
| 20:57 |
phf |
ben_vulpes: if you're talking lisp, there's no reason not to store those values as numbers |
| 20:58 |
ben_vulpes |
phf: talking postgres, actually. |
| 20:58 |
phf |
ben_vulpes: in fact reading a hash becomes (parse-integer ... :base 16) |
| 20:58 |
mircea_popescu |
http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-20#1507493 << what do you ride, goats ? |
| 20:58 |
a111 |
Logged on 2016-07-20 22:40 ben_vulpes: 35 minute ride in and out |
| 20:58 |
ben_vulpes |
phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2015-07-04#1186243 |
| 20:58 |
a111 |
Logged on 2015-07-04 00:48 asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: could do an even shorter/sweeter bidirectional (!) version with 'binary-types' ( http://www.cliki.net/binary-types ) |
| 20:59 |
hanbot |
mircea_popescu everyone in ben_vulpes 'land smokes pot. you do know how potsmokers drive, do you? |
| 20:59 |
ben_vulpes |
mircea_popescu: a bicycle. |
| 20:59 |
mircea_popescu |
http://trilema.com/2011/test-de-americana/#comment-118152 << check it out, dude fucking nailed it! |
| 21:00 |
mircea_popescu |
hanbot ahahaha zing. |
| 21:00 |
mircea_popescu |
ben_vulpes bro do you even pedal. |
| 21:00 |
mod6 |
heheh |
| 21:00 |
ben_vulpes |
so hard bro |
| 21:00 |
ben_vulpes |
so hard |
| 21:00 |
mircea_popescu |
lol |
| 21:00 |
ben_vulpes |
TARTS OFF |
| 21:00 |
ben_vulpes |
LET'S GO |
| 21:01 |
mircea_popescu |
#trilema. best testosterone. also almonds. |
| 21:01 |
phf |
ben_vulpes: well, binary types are unrelated to the issue though. binary types you declare your struct, you still want to decide yourself what goes in the struct. treating hashes as numbers makes sense if you're going full lisp, i.e. you're actually going to do math with those numbers (which is at the end of the day their whole purpose), unless it's not actually a hash but a bit mask or a xor'd something or other |
| 21:02 |
mircea_popescu |
phf his question is not really formulated. "best" what, "least likely to be fucked up by the c compiler" ? |
| 21:02 |
ben_vulpes |
ftr i do an average 24.6 km/h for thirty five minutes. |
| 21:03 |
mircea_popescu |
i walk faster than that! backwards! |
| 21:03 |
ben_vulpes |
nonsense! |
| 21:03 |
ben_vulpes |
get out of here with your sticks and magic numbers |
| 21:03 |
mircea_popescu |
i walk about 14-14.5. |
| 21:04 |
mircea_popescu |
no joek. |
| 21:04 |
ben_vulpes |
that stroll we took in ba never cracked ten |
| 21:05 |
mircea_popescu |
tru. can't properly walk with womenz present. |
| 21:05 |
ben_vulpes |
ho ho ho |
| 21:05 |
ben_vulpes |
said the ostrich |
| 21:05 |
mircea_popescu |
do you do 24.6km/h with teh woman ? |
| 21:05 |
hanbot |
by getting her some combat bootz. |
| 21:05 |
ben_vulpes |
girl dun bike |
| 21:06 |
mircea_popescu |
hanbot nah, human female is built to not be fast enough. |
| 21:06 |
ben_vulpes |
can't be sent out for infrastructure on a bike |
| 21:06 |
mircea_popescu |
but for this bit, we'd be extinct. |
| 21:06 |
ben_vulpes |
nobody can be sent out for infrastructure on a bike. |
| 21:06 |
mircea_popescu |
ben_vulpes sorry wut ? sent what ? |
| 21:06 |
* |
hanbot has a small aneurysm |
| 21:07 |
ben_vulpes |
phf: i'd like to stick these values into postgres, not hold them in memory in a lisp process. |
| 21:07 |
ben_vulpes |
hence the question of 'integer vs. byte array' |
| 21:07 |
mircea_popescu |
hanbot it's an anthopological fact. if woman could outran man the species would not be here. |
| 21:07 |
ben_vulpes |
mircea_popescu: 'could' doesn't explain why whole cities stood still on the plain for slaughter and rape by the mongols |
| 21:07 |
hanbot |
species shmechiesh |
| 21:08 |
mircea_popescu |
http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-20#1507508 << ok those kinda rule. redneck bikes! |
| 21:08 |
a111 |
Logged on 2016-07-20 22:44 pete_dushenski: http://monroenews.media.clients.ellingtoncms.com/img/photos/2014/02/16/Outdoors_Fat_Bikes_Gorc_t670.jpg?b3f6a5d7692ccc373d56e40cf708e3fa67d9af9d << this is what winter riding looks like 'round these parts. |
| 21:08 |
mircea_popescu |
you can always tell an anthropologist by that womenz and bikers are in a confederacy against him! |
| 21:09 |
ben_vulpes |
mircea_popescu: will have to send me a bottle of whatever he's enjoying tonight |
| 21:09 |
mircea_popescu |
ahahahaha ahahaha omfg that "o noes snow" vid is priceless |
| 21:09 |
mircea_popescu |
it's like cats driving |
| 21:11 |
pete_dushenski |
"redneck bikes!" << rich rednecks too. og 'fat bikes' were >$5k until the last year or two when clunkier steel $2k models starting hitting stores. |
| 21:11 |
pete_dushenski |
s/started/starting |
| 21:12 |
pete_dushenski |
which i guess basically describes albertans in a nutshell : a buncha rich rednecks |
| 21:13 |
ben_vulpes |
pete_dushenski: semi-relatedly, the delicas are migrating south |
| 21:13 |
pete_dushenski |
"culture ? what culture ? imma wear my cowboy boots to the opera goshdarnit!" |
| 21:14 |
pete_dushenski |
ben_vulpes: delicas ? |
| 21:14 |
mircea_popescu |
http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-20#1507519 << no one knows. from her mommy ? |
| 21:14 |
a111 |
Logged on 2016-07-20 22:50 pete_dushenski: http://trilema.com/2013/whore-strat/ << ok now this is just flat-out impressive. from whence such a display of creativity and courage ? |
| 21:14 |
ben_vulpes |
$g delica |
| 21:14 |
pete_dushenski |
;;ud delica |
| 21:14 |
gribble |
Error: We broke The Google! |
| 21:15 |
ben_vulpes |
coulda sworn that was a thing |
| 21:15 |
ben_vulpes |
mitsu adventurewagons |
| 21:15 |
ben_vulpes |
anyways, client has arrived for dinner |
| 21:15 |
ben_vulpes |
adieu |
| 21:15 |
pete_dushenski |
celica is the toyota sporty car... |
| 21:15 |
ben_vulpes |
https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/1a/45/bd/1a45bd0b88ba0870b0d4ff42c9ab3b5c.jpg |
| 21:15 |
ben_vulpes |
;;ud lmgtfy |
| 21:15 |
gribble |
Error: We broke The Google! |
| 21:16 |
pete_dushenski |
ben_vulpes: aha! we've had those for a coon's age. 15yo import laws baby. suck it. |
| 21:16 |
pete_dushenski |
anyways, cheerio |
| 21:24 |
shinohai |
$gettrust webbyz |
| 21:24 |
deedbot |
L1: 0, L2: 0 by 0 connections. |
| 21:26 |
phf |
ben_vulpes: well, fwiw that question doesn't quite make sense from postgresql perspective either :) since your actual choice is to store decoded byte array in a BYTEA, decoded number in NUMERIC or original hash in CHAR. integer won't fit an entire hash, since it's 4 bytes. |
| 21:26 |
pete_dushenski |
mircea_popescu: that's a hell of a mommy. |
| 21:33 |
phf |
ben_vulpes: but i'm just being pedantic |
| 21:33 |
phf |
well, now kat.cr is down too.. |
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| 21:40 |
phf |
http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-20#1506980 << emacs has (standard-display-cyrillic-translit "Russian"), which i remember being enabled on the dos build of emacs |
| 21:40 |
a111 |
Logged on 2016-07-20 14:28 asciilifeform: the only proggy i've ever encountered which did. |
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~ 1 hours 3 minutes ~ |
| 22:44 |
shinohai |
http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-21#1507676 :( yup |
| 22:44 |
a111 |
Logged on 2016-07-21 01:33 phf: well, now kat.cr is down too.. |
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| 23:12 |
pete_dushenski |
https://assets.donaldjtrump.com/MeredithStatement.pdf << you can't resign from usg.trump just because you're illiterate and didn't do your job (resignation letter from speechwriterlady who not-so-lightly lifted bits from usg.michelle and gave them to usg.melania) |
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| 23:35 |
pete_dushenski |
sorry, not resignation letter, just statement about resignation letter. |
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| 23:51 |
mircea_popescu |
the us election drama intensifies ? |
| 23:54 |
pete_dushenski |
mircea_popescu: the mastermind behind 14 seasons of 'the apprentice' always provideth the lulz |
| 23:54 |
Joshua-I |
Pretty much the same intensity it has been this whole time |
| 23:55 |
mircea_popescu |
maybe gets better as winter comes. |
| 23:56 |
Joshua-I |
Well it's all going down in November |
| 23:57 |
Joshua-I |
Maybe someone will shoot him in the face |
| 23:57 |
Joshua-I |
lul |
| 23:57 |
pete_dushenski |
i thought august was supposed to be the 'hot month' |
| 23:57 |
pete_dushenski |
in general. |
| 23:59 |
mircea_popescu |
maybe trump comes out as a transsexual. |
| 23:59 |
Joshua-I |
but why |