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00:00 ben_vulpes anyways, otaku gaijin shit aside a) do you have videos of this thing working or am i supposed to believe that it does because you now have a key you can use and b) how much for the whole circus, delivered
00:01 gabriel_laddel_p ben_vulpes: will be (figuring out how to, and then) sending you an encrypted gpg thingy tomorrow.
00:01 gabriel_laddel_p it'll have a link to a video.
00:01 ben_vulpes pricing that sensitive, eh?
00:01 phf also sbcl got some balls. they've been adding all this stuff, don't do this, don't do that. i suppose you can either muffle it, or just not optional the second argument and pass nil everytime there's nothing. fwiw your code always has an argument list, so it's non issue
00:01 gabriel_laddel_p ben_vulpes: not at all: 410 + the price of the hardware.
00:02 asciilifeform gabriel_laddel_p: does your thing have a www ?
00:02 ben_vulpes well i'm just on tenterhooks waiting to learn what's so cryptworthy
00:02 gabriel_laddel_p ben_vulpes: I have 4 other people who want them/one. Need to organize my thoughts, stop reading about [redacted] and actually respond to their emails.
00:03 gabriel_laddel_p asciilifeform: no, and it won't.
00:03 asciilifeform wai not, gabriel_laddel_p ? e.g., FUCKGOATS, has a www
00:03 asciilifeform mpex -- has www. deedbot. etc
00:04 gabriel_laddel_p asciilifeform: to move fiat monies into republican coffers. You all get free reign to sell masamune and take 100% of profits past buying the first one.
00:04 gabriel_laddel_p I don't want someone to be able to look up a webpage and debate you about what it is that they get.
00:04 gabriel_laddel_p they get what they get from $PERSON_WHO_ORDERED_FROM_ME
00:05 asciilifeform fwiw whoever wants can also make own FUCKGOATS and sell.
00:05 asciilifeform yet it has www, because wtf, how else anyone knows what it is that is for sale.
00:06 gabriel_laddel_p asciilifeform: say that you derp around with MGL_MAT and make a neat handwriting recognition module like the HP Compaq TC1100 had.
00:06 gabriel_laddel_p You should be able to charge whatever and "they" can suck it.
00:06 * mircea_popescu chuckles privately at all teh folk imparting phonetic content through frowning peculiarly at everyday alphabetic notation. oh mu-ne is it!
00:07 gabriel_laddel_p mk back to CA.
00:08 mircea_popescu oh speaking of which, gabriel_laddel_p why not packaging fuckgoats with the masamunes ?
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00:09 mircea_popescu oh im too late huh.
00:09 asciilifeform also gabriel_laddel_p's boxen flying off the shelf, but still no permanent postbox..?
00:09 ben_vulpes someone's going to have to fuel the meth habit for another month to pop this one
00:09 asciilifeform and no ransomed old pgp key..?
00:10 mircea_popescu dude he sold 4 boxes, if he makes enough for a decent meal out of that he's ahead of the game.
00:10 ben_vulpes so he says, so he says.
00:11 asciilifeform i'd still like to know wtf it was that he even sells. having a www would help...
00:11 mircea_popescu he apparently wants to sell p2p, big whoop.
00:11 asciilifeform from the l0gz, it looks like a shitlinux with sbcl preinstalled (big fat breakthrough?)
00:12 ben_vulpes phf: ty
00:12 ben_vulpes now if only i could find a graceful way to muffle compiler warnings for functions...
00:12 mircea_popescu asciilifeform suspicion is unwarranted for the following reason : if he was aware he's packaging crap, he'd not be courting you ; or him. because unlike him you do have wwws. so either he's patently insane or else got something. in either case, a few hundy, not the end of the world. a decent escort is ~same.
00:12 asciilifeform i have nothing in particular against the d00d, but it is quite genuinely unclear to me where the 'value added' is.
00:13 mircea_popescu same is true about apple.
00:13 ben_vulpes why in the not gentooing your own boxes
00:13 ben_vulpes and all the hours spent changing belts and capplugs
00:13 ben_vulpes as you yourself pointed out
00:13 asciilifeform ben_vulpes: it isn't optional
00:14 asciilifeform if you don't, you are stuck using some variant of crapple.
00:14 ben_vulpes no i'm going to plug my ears say neener and make it gabriel_laddel's problem
00:14 mircea_popescu the original proposition was "hooker-ready laptop". i can see the "value add".
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00:14 ben_vulpes actually whole thing is likely just a ploy to get pre-rooted boxen into republican ops
00:15 asciilifeform clim is 'hooker ready' ?!
00:15 ben_vulpes physicist, maybe
00:15 mircea_popescu asciilifeform masamune;d better be. ben_vulpes hey, find the hole, get a prize.
00:16 asciilifeform ubuntu/whateveritwas autoupdater.
00:16 asciilifeform do i win the prize.
00:16 mircea_popescu it wasn't ubuntu based was it ?
00:16 asciilifeform i've nfi
00:16 asciilifeform now if it had a www...
00:16 mircea_popescu then wut.
00:16 ben_vulpes still gotta fuckin quarantine the thing when it shows up.
00:20 ben_vulpes new topic
00:20 ben_vulpes guitarists who type a lot: do you always trim both hands?
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00:22 asciilifeform ben_vulpes is guitarist ?
00:22 ben_vulpes i play at least 30 minutes 4 times a week
00:22 asciilifeform neato, i had nfi.
00:23 ben_vulpes some 1.5 years back i leapt off the couch and demanded a hand-held instrument to awaken dormant pathways
00:23 asciilifeform asciilifeform's pet critter has a guitar, but it has not been touched in decade+, might crumble into dust if unpacked.
00:24 ben_vulpes girl provided a guitar in short order
00:24 ben_vulpes so now i play guitar poorly and frequently
00:24 asciilifeform iirc somebody sells electric guitar now that is just a stick with painted-on 'strings', and a comp
00:24 phf deep purple covers on a loop?
00:24 asciilifeform switch on, play by imaginarily plucking.
00:24 ben_vulpes asciilifeform: "guitar hero"!
00:25 asciilifeform ben_vulpes: no, not the toy, a tunable/playable thing
00:25 asciilifeform but i fuhget the vendor
00:25 asciilifeform something chinese.
00:25 BingoBoingo <asciilifeform> mircea_popescu: iirc the longest-enduring venus probe croaked after 1h. from overheat. << Or corrosion. Place requires ph balancing
00:25 asciilifeform for some reason i picture the 'baliste' in 'dune' as working like this.
00:26 ben_vulpes baliset i think
00:26 asciilifeform baliset
00:26 asciilifeform aha
00:26 asciilifeform kbd eggog
00:26 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: d00d has little plastic models of the probez in his office, would go on and on..
00:27 asciilifeform ben_vulpes: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KuBSvNtlAq8 << oblig
00:30 ben_vulpes holy shit i forgot picard was in that
00:30 phf not enough reverb. i always thought baliset being a 70s instrument, considering that they had those portable source of energy in their shields, would be a kind of guitar moog
00:31 ben_vulpes a shit i'm going to have to rewatch this.
00:34 asciilifeform phf: funnily enough, iirc the item used in the film actually fit this description.
00:37 asciilifeform and aha, ben_vulpes , recall during conf 4, mircea_popescu playing the baliset, we poured the waterz...
00:39 ben_vulpes asciilifeform: aha and the isis men kept trying to fuck the goats :D
00:40 ben_vulpes phf: (cmd &optional args input)
00:40 ben_vulpes which brings me to: "when positional, and when keyword?"
00:41 * BingoBoingo starting to think that mebbe Venus just needs a moon
00:49 phf ben_vulpes: i think best way to answer that question is to read a lot of existing code from different backgrounds (pre-2000s code, famous people code, etc.). my rule of thumb is that you use optional if ~at call site~ it's still obvious what the argument means. otherwise you promote it to keywoard. (run "foo" `("-p" "bar")) makes sense, but (run "foo" `("-p" "bar") stream) you start guessing. is it input stream? is it output stream?
00:49 phf etc.
00:50 phf in this case, if you want to avoid the warning and not fuck with muffling, i'd stick with (cmd args &key input). fwiw that's what sbcl's run-program does already
00:52 ben_vulpes verily
00:52 ben_vulpes okay ty
00:52 ben_vulpes still means one has to (run "foo" `())
00:52 * BingoBoingo wonders how many hamplanets need be flung into Venusuvian orbit in order to make a credible moon that spins that bitch around faster.
00:53 phf yes, but you never do, also it's (run "foo" nil) or if you insist (run "foo" ()) though that last one looks funny
00:53 phf you as in you in your code
00:54 ben_vulpes right
00:54 BingoBoingo !~ticker --market all --currency eur
00:54 jhvh1 BingoBoingo: Bitstamp BTCEUR last: 916.4216, vol: 10049.25721374 | BTC-E BTCEUR last: 882.63592, vol: 272.12183 | BTCChina BTCEUR last: 943.6581, vol: 2498140.26720000 | Kraken BTCEUR last: 909.012, vol: 9322.43803212 | Volume-weighted last average: 943.414513512
00:54 ben_vulpes mk all very sensible ty phf
00:54 BingoBoingo !~ticker --market all --currency gbp
00:54 jhvh1 BingoBoingo: Bitstamp BTCGBP last: 779.91696, vol: 10048.70134875 | BTC-E BTCGBP last: 749.2434264, vol: 7648.73621 | BTCChina BTCGBP last: 803.843997, vol: 2498327.20560000 | Kraken BTCGBP last: 770.0, vol: 41.40903382 | Volume-weighted last average: 803.581896386
00:56 BingoBoingo My how the euro has fallen
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01:29 mats !~calc [ticker --last --currency USD --market bitstamp] / [ticker --last --currency EUR --market bitstamp]
01:29 jhvh1 mats: 959.0 / 916.8999 = 1.045915699194645
01:38 mats !~calc [ticker --last --currency USD --market btcchina] / [ticker --last --currency EUR --market btcchina]
01:38 jhvh1 mats: 989.763819 / 943.057407 = 1.0495265841223598
01:45 mats https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2016-12-27/singapore-defaults-seen-as-bellwether-for-asia-distress-in-2017
01:47 mats betting on btcusd not going to 1k is turning out to be quite the nail biter
01:49 ben_vulpes mats: what kinda timeframe are you biting your nails over?
01:50 mats the bet settles on 01 january 2017
01:58 ben_vulpes ah i see
02:01 davout http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-28#1591748 <<< playing classical stuff?
02:01 a111 Logged on 2016-12-28 05:20 ben_vulpes: guitarists who type a lot: do you always trim both hands?
02:01 ben_vulpes davout: no, simple rhythm stuff
02:01 davout what do you need your nails for then? get yourself a pick or something
02:02 ben_vulpes compulsive nail tidying is 2x as expensive if you do both hands
02:03 ben_vulpes sounds like davout thinks "just trim your hands evenly, weirdo"
02:04 davout i don't get it, the expensive part for me is "finding the nail clipper", not the "clipping nails"
02:04 ben_vulpes but do you reticulate the splines
02:06 davout what is that?
02:06 ben_vulpes sim city 3k reference
02:06 ben_vulpes "Reticulating the splines..."
02:06 ben_vulpes in the loading screen
02:06 ben_vulpes bad joke, dun sweat it
02:07 davout yeah, googled it, got "Reticulating splines | The Sims Wiki | Fandom powered by Wikia", wtf levels increased :D
02:09 ben_vulpes in retrospect, the expensive part is having mismatched nail lengths
02:10 ben_vulpes i have utterly nfi how women put up with all of the ornamental crap
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02:33 davout go to the salon, get some other woman to do it for her
02:33 davout on daddy's dime == win
02:38 ben_vulpes my internal popesculator says "what, wimminz are for ornamenting!"
02:39 mats i've always thought it was weird that english speakers use 'daddy' but not 'mommy'
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02:40 mats in this context
02:40 ben_vulpes mats: does 'mommy' typically hold the purse strings among yr people?
02:41 ben_vulpes also are talking fathers, husbands, sugar daddies or 'beta buxx'?
02:42 mats i'd say its 1:1
02:43 mats http://shanghaiist.com/2016/09/01/chinese_women_control_household_finances.php << seems to agree
02:43 mats i mean, i grew up in sv, so i live in a weird in-between of us and cn culture
02:44 ben_vulpes heh the sv/us conflation
02:45 mats i gtfo soon as i was an adult, to live outside of the reality bubble
02:47 mats didn't turn out to be that different, the new money here is just young white dudes that wear brooks brothers instead of uniqlo
02:48 davout "In addition to the headline finding, the study also discovered that the more women earn, the greater say they have over the family's financial management." <<< such finding
02:48 ben_vulpes new money is uniformly uninteresting
02:48 ben_vulpes old money moderately interesting if you're trying to marry into it
02:49 ben_vulpes mats: what part of us is "here"?
02:49 mats boston
02:50 ben_vulpes oya
02:51 ben_vulpes dunno that's too far outside of teh bubb
02:52 mats if i'm being honest i wanted to get away from the massive numbers of asians
02:52 ben_vulpes well i was going to ask if you were in the boston cn wot
02:52 mats but now i miss it, funny how that works
02:53 ben_vulpes your very own tiger mom
02:54 ben_vulpes infinite easy payments of everything you make
02:55 mats i don't follow
02:57 ben_vulpes cn reputation for 'tiger moms' among usasians
02:57 ben_vulpes chinese moms control the purse strings
02:58 ben_vulpes mats misses 'home culture'
02:58 mats o
03:01 ben_vulpes in other "how the mighty have fallen"s: https://media.ccc.de/v/33c3-8026-a_story_of_discrimination_and_unfairness
03:02 mats there's a sense of other-ness wherever i'm at, in new england
03:02 mats eyeballs on me all day when i'm on the cape
03:03 mats its not as bad in the city
03:03 ben_vulpes "honey, don't /look/, but..."
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03:19 mats i'd like to move to hk or tw before i'm 30 but it seems to be getting more expensive all the time
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03:34 davout mats: hows that specific to these places?
03:37 ben_vulpes http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-28#1591573 << i'll have to think on how to fix this
03:37 a111 Logged on 2016-12-28 02:39 phf: http://btcbase.org/patches/hashes_and_errors#L118 you don't really want to do this. you're subseq'ing there to strip the a/ b/ but that's not at all a guarantee! i have a vpatch with `diff -ib -ruN /Users/pf/cmucl20d-build/src/hemlock/abbrev.lisp src/abbrev.lisp` in it for example. at the very least you want to abstract it away into its own function. that would correctly operate on a hashed-path datastructure.
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03:54 mats davout: well, its actually getting cheaper to live in, say, sf or boston, in the short-term, due to high rises going up
03:54 davout you mean wages?
03:54 mats its not really specific to hk or tw, and tw is actually more affordable comparatively
03:55 mats i mean luxury residences pushing prices down
03:55 mats new ones
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04:14 davout oic
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04:52 mats huh, upon closer inspection, it looks like rent and housing prices are declining in tw and hk too
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05:25 mats http://www.cybersquirrel1.com
05:37 jurov http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-28#1591566 << not a good idea, because if you pass something clearsigned/encrypted, gpg will decrypt it to stdout, so you end up parsing dangerous user input
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05:37 a111 Logged on 2016-12-28 02:17 phf: there's not much discipline on unix with stderr/stdout. particularly gpg seems cavalier with it. so i wouldn't even bother with error/output separation. i'd make it always return a single value, string that's combined stdout/stderr, and fail when status code is not equal to zero. maybe add a key argument, that splits them if need be, but only once there's need.
05:39 jurov use batchmode and just ignore stdout (unless you need it)
05:53 jurov venus colonization is most feasible in the atmosphere, there's a layer with ~20C temperature, ~1atm pressure, breathable N2-O2 atmosphere is lifting gas, you can have 30hour days by surfing jet streams ...
05:54 jurov ... and nice clouds of concentrated sulphuric acid :)
05:59 jurov http://www.space.com/29140-venus-airship-cloud-cities-incredible-technology.html
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08:32 danielpbarron http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-28#1591824 << it's "daddy's dime" and "mom's basement" -- perhaps it's masculine when going out and feminine when staying in
08:32 a111 Logged on 2016-12-28 07:39 mats: i've always thought it was weird that english speakers use 'daddy' but not 'mommy'
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09:02 davout diana_coman forgot about hanbot's nice password suggestions
09:03 shinohai kek
09:05 diana_coman eh, selected points, lol
09:13 trinque clearly was just testing her new FUCKGOATS
09:15 deedbot http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/CBBB1104DCE81D9FED18429F378EF9FB623BD973F9B1D6A18A6023A70078F40E << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1120...8343 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '177.234.11.77 (ssh-rsa key from 177.234.11.77 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (Unknown MX CHH)
09:15 deedbot http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/32652A860DF501D08376A8FF97AF452915B8916DD7D6F5F97D33250D3E7F72F8 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1120...8343 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '177.234.0.223 (ssh-rsa key from 177.234.0.223 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (Unknown MX CHH)
09:15 deedbot http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/9A34020BD86CCFD722610615BCEA3BC872B7161FCFEB84222CAAD4208C7869B5 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1120...8343 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '177.234.14.77 (ssh-rsa key from 177.234.14.77 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (Unknown MX CHH)
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09:15 deedbot http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/7C1E22BC13AEE395691A9E2C5119C1DDEFCB1547805C81E1B70E6885083DFF48 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1735...8443 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '196.25.190.4 (ssh-rsa key from 196.25.190.4 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (Unknown ZA)
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10:15 davout trinque: clearly
10:16 mircea_popescu in other lulz, "¿Sabes algo sobre Bitcoin?" "es una pagina web"
10:21 shinohai "¿Sabes algo sobre Bitcoin?" "Es una puta maldita pero muy útil"
10:28 mircea_popescu lol
10:28 mircea_popescu and now i shall proceed to put to electronic paper my definitive solution for global warming - both the current hallucinated kind as well as any other.
10:34 * shinohai prepares to fill his liberal tears mug
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11:26 deedbot http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/163690110BB2F01EE38E324C90C6FB9BA5AED5D15A8C51E69FBF8B1803EC5626 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1622...2987 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '195.42.115.88 (ssh-rsa key from 195.42.115.88 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (doofaberglucklich. DE)
11:26 deedbot http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/3BBBCBDD644D1D80A7C425768216B6423C800AF2652EC7E804BE35A2E98D19C0 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1361...5397 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '91.233.156.82 (ssh-rsa key from 91.233.156.82 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (91-233-156-82.interkonekt.pl. PL MA)
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11:28 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-28#1591924 << lel, yet another 'mikrotik routeros', lost count by now of how many
11:28 a111 Logged on 2016-12-28 16:26 deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/3BBBCBDD644D1D80A7C425768216B6423C800AF2652EC7E804BE35A2E98D19C0 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1361...5397 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '91.233.156.82 (ssh-rsa key from 91.233.156.82 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (91-233-156-82.interkonekt.pl. PL MA)
11:28 asciilifeform (not debian. its own idiocy.)
11:31 asciilifeform the thing to observe here is that, e.g., mikrotik, should be susceptible to the debian treatment (enumerate the possible factors, then shoot)
11:32 asciilifeform ditto the huawei boxes, the voip thing, whatever it was called, and the dozen or so other examples i catalogued in recent months
11:32 asciilifeform now if someone here knew where to get a hold of even one !
11:32 mircea_popescu heh. most of ;em i'd expect
11:32 mircea_popescu !!key Framedragger
11:32 deedbot http://wot.deedbot.org/E2DF986D58A0D3876BA165FACC0510AAFD8AF4B7.asc
11:32 asciilifeform all i need is 1.
11:32 asciilifeform of a particular type.
11:32 mircea_popescu trinque nothing loads ?
11:33 asciilifeform (not necessarily the physical box ! the os ought to be enough )
11:33 asciilifeform each successful shot is potentially several thousand popped keys.
11:33 asciilifeform (could be -- hundreds of thousand)
11:34 mircea_popescu trinque eh nm random burp.
11:34 mircea_popescu asciilifeform i dun think it was ever that deployed.
11:34 asciilifeform which it
11:34 mircea_popescu mikrotik
11:34 asciilifeform what do you mean 'was ever deployed'
11:35 asciilifeform they're pestilentially common
11:35 asciilifeform 15`645 2.3.0_Mikrotik_v2.9 << from mircea_popescu's mega-tally
11:36 deedbot http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/7C1E22BC13AEE395691A9E2C5119C1DDEFCB1547805C81E1B70E6885083DFF48 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1464...6423 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '196.25.190.4 (ssh-rsa key from 196.25.190.4 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (Unknown ZA)
11:36 asciilifeform (and that's just 1 ver; iirc various others identify as plain ssh)
11:36 mircea_popescu 10k in a 20mn sample makes 100s of k's unlikely dunnit ?
11:37 asciilifeform in this case -- yes
11:37 mircea_popescu ~that~ deployed, as in, i'd be surprised if 50k exist altogerher
11:38 asciilifeform huawei, on other hand!
11:39 asciilifeform or the 462`750 ROSSSH
11:39 mircea_popescu oya
11:39 asciilifeform or.
11:39 mircea_popescu right.
11:39 mircea_popescu huawei especially.
11:39 mircea_popescu i think they're fucking calenders.
11:39 phf http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-28#1591868 << well, that's why ultimately -- flags, eventually it starts looking like the original signature of run-program that he's wrapping
11:39 a111 Logged on 2016-12-28 10:37 jurov: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-28#1591566 << not a good idea, because if you pass something clearsigned/encrypted, gpg will decrypt it to stdout, so you end up parsing dangerous user input
11:42 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: tropos , i recall now, was the other big one.
11:42 asciilifeform (it displays unremarkable ssh hello, the litmus for it uses the ssl cert that the boxes also display on 443)
11:43 mircea_popescu pretty sure multiple do this.
11:43 asciilifeform the interesting bit re tropos is that it is not a konsoomer box, but infrastructural (isp, public wifi, gsm, utility sensors) and for some reason popular in orc world
11:43 mircea_popescu yea
11:44 asciilifeform http://www.loper-os.org/?p=1733 << as seen here, good chunk of the first N ssh keys to pop were tropos boxen.
11:49 asciilifeform the other interesting experiment, yet undone, is to generate ssh, ssl, pgp, etc. keys on some of the other os with known-broken rng -- e.g., freebsd 2010-2014 (or when was it), possibly other
11:49 asciilifeform then enumerate factors.
11:49 asciilifeform then -- debianize.
11:51 asciilifeform one of the hidden evils of 'of course generating key takes 10 minutes!' traditional entropy starvation -- is that nobody expects to be able to do the test where you generate 10 billion keys and make sure that the resulting keys have gcd of 1
11:51 asciilifeform whereas this is elementarily reasonable.
11:52 Framedragger also, as you noted earlier, there's a good chance a bunch of ssh *client* keys were generated on those machines, too, so also possible to try to bruteforce-login with generated keys (to servers which have broken rngs)
11:52 asciilifeform Framedragger: this also. but -- slow.
11:52 Framedragger yeah.
11:52 asciilifeform this is for when mircea_popescu gets his botnet.
11:54 mircea_popescu asciilifeform aha.
11:58 * asciilifeform since release of FUCKGOATS, spent much time studying 'serpent' block cipher.
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11:58 asciilifeform it is pretty interesting imho.
11:58 asciilifeform for instance, there are no tables.
11:58 asciilifeform (and so, no cache-sensitivity.)
12:00 asciilifeform http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/HQmMH/?raw=true << example in ada. < 700 ln.
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12:09 asciilifeform the political history is also rather interesting (it was on track to winning the 'aes competition', received fewest thumbs-down votes from the panelists, but mysteriously torpedoed by usg and did not win)
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12:22 mircea_popescu serpent, eh ?
12:31 deedbot http://trilema.com/2016/how-to-fix-global-warming/ << Trilema - How to fix global warming ?
12:44 mircea_popescu and in other unixes bathroom news, http://68.media.tumblr.com/e9ad40055776fd92557b63fdad30f7ea/tumblr_odcvoq0Mht1uk5y45o1_1280.jpg
12:46 davout asciilifeform: lol, even frouikipedia concurs
12:46 davout "Une controverse existe, selon laquelle Serpent n'aurait pas été choisi comme AES, car casser ses clés aurait été beaucoup trop complexe pour les services de renseignement civils et militaires. De plus, même dans une version simplifiée il reste robuste. Par exemple Rijndael est très souvent implémenté dans TLS en version simplifiée sur 14 de ses 16 tours pour des raisons de rapidité, mais aussi d'analyses de données. Alors que Serpent
12:46 davout doit être abaissé à au moins 9 tours pour fournir un niveau identique d'exploitation."
12:46 asciilifeform davout: it was a loud, public wank, ~impossible to 'unhappen' to any reasonable degree
12:47 asciilifeform more or less simply declared 'history, done with'
12:47 davout "some terrorists found it controversial"
12:47 mircea_popescu there's certainly worse options than serpent.
12:48 asciilifeform now i will remind readers that 'serpent' is not, afaik, on any kind of scientific foundation. it was made using voodoo doll, just like every other block cipher. (what kind of doll, is described in the paper.)
12:48 asciilifeform BUT it is in several ways, apparent to the naked eye, less retarded than aes
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12:48 asciilifeform in particular: no tables.
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12:49 asciilifeform pipeline doesn't leak timing either, because - if implemented correctly - you never branch on a secret (key or plaintext) bit.
12:50 Framedragger hut that actually sounds nice..
12:50 asciilifeform the thing executes in constant-ticks, looks like.
12:51 phf in other security "Child uses sleeping mom's thumbprint to buy $250 worth of Pokémon toys (cnet.com)"
12:52 asciilifeform lel
12:52 mircea_popescu clearly the security helped.
12:54 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2015-07-12#1198070 << old thread re aes
12:54 a111 Logged on 2015-07-12 03:47 mircea_popescu: in any case : i don't like aes for purely political reasons. it became an apparent schelling point out of absolutely nowhere for no discernible reason. these situations always stink.
12:55 mircea_popescu aha.
12:55 mircea_popescu very reminiscent of elliptic curve "cryptography".
12:56 asciilifeform noshit.jpg. ~same ~2dozen people involved.
12:56 mircea_popescu aha. "experts" and "open source" and "opinion leaders" and whatnot.
12:56 mircea_popescu also about 2/3 of the nsa strength in practice, because outside of getting idiots to do idiotic things - they ain't got nuttin.
13:00 mircea_popescu which is why the republican strategy in sociopolitical cryptography is to isolate the nsa assets - the kochs and dreppers and schneiers + a bevy of small fry boecks etc. let them sit on hacker news and upvote each other to death, but otherwise, outside of the usg reservation, they may not opine and they may not be used as reference.
13:05 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: more dire, even, than this, we aren't dealing with 20 years of disinfo artistry, but ~70 ! hagelin, crypto-ag, etc. and the entire poppycock of transposition ciphers surviving into computer age
13:05 asciilifeform especially transpositions as we know them. i'm still waiting to hear why s-boxes are fixed, rather than entirely configured by the key, ever.
13:06 asciilifeform i asked 'professional cryptographers of international repute' and 0 answer beyond 'here's a banana, monkey boy'
13:06 asciilifeform !#s maslennikov
13:06 a111 14 results for "maslennikov", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=maslennikov
13:07 asciilifeform ^ d00d worked for kgb crypto directorate in '80s, asked same question of his superiors, got same answer.
13:10 asciilifeform or, the other obvious mega-question, why there is no STRETCHABLE (a la keccak) block cipher
13:11 asciilifeform where you can have 193-bit words if you feel like it, with 311-bit key. and next day - 301-bit words and 503-bit key, etc.
13:11 mircea_popescu because nobody made it, because everyone spent all their time fucking with xcode and unity.
13:11 asciilifeform (answer is, the folx with 'acres of crays' will butthurt that their oh-so-precious special-purpose silicon is bricked)
13:14 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: why 'xcode and unity', and not 'the bottle'
13:14 asciilifeform moar folx went to the bottle.
13:15 mircea_popescu anyway, to create the up-node : "stop doing stupid shit" is the universal pill to de-usg the world. stop doing stupid shit with crypto, as contemplarted here, there's no nsa nor any possibility of nsa. stop "plea bargain"ing, there's no us justice system. stop using us banks, there's no us finance. stop chasing the web-revolutionary-app-nonsense, there's no "us technical lead". stop trying to marry women there's no "5th wave
13:15 mircea_popescu feminism" and so following.
13:15 asciilifeform esp. because ciphers are a blindingly obvious 'political art', where if you aren't schneier et al, you don't get printed in journals, invited to conferences, implemented by open sores monkeys, etc.
13:15 asciilifeform i.e. 'don't exist'
13:15 mircea_popescu the solutions for all these "stop" are given and trivial, now time to apply.
13:16 asciilifeform 'rocket is trivial, just sit in a pipe and throw hot gas out one end'
13:16 mircea_popescu asciilifeform yeah i'm sure i don't exist because schneier didn't invite me to the latest round of rubber chicken.
13:16 mircea_popescu the vice-versa is a lot more concerning, for him.
13:18 asciilifeform now i cannot speak for others, but i spent past few yrs exploring the known space between usgola (aes et al) and http://trilema.com/2013/the-danger-of-homebrew-crypto
13:18 asciilifeform and it's more or less a vacuum.
13:18 asciilifeform at least in as far as public lit.
13:19 mircea_popescu evidently, there's serpent :)
13:19 mircea_popescu and cs, and keccak, and things.
13:19 asciilifeform serpent is, i must note, 'best horse in the glue factory.'
13:19 asciilifeform cs is not a block cipher.
13:20 asciilifeform keccak is not any kind of cipher.
13:20 mircea_popescu well yes, but you said "between usgola and dangerous homebrew crypto"
13:21 asciilifeform (keccak or another hash can be abused as a stream cipher, but it is precisely 'retarded homebrew', i will leave the reason ~why~ as an exercise)
13:27 asciilifeform but also i was referring to ~people~ as much as to algos.
13:30 BingoBoingo Lettuce not forget "Equation Group" allegedly uses RC6 to communicate with their turds
13:30 asciilifeform there are surely people other than mircea_popescu and asciilifeform who -- have interest in subj + have the theoretical pre-reqs + seriously ready to get their hands dirty + not thralls of usg
13:30 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: nsa uses rc6 for all 'deniable ops', because it is goodenough+short in asm
13:30 asciilifeform i used it myself when writing rootkits.
13:30 BingoBoingo Oic
13:31 asciilifeform 'when choosing astrologer, hire the cheapest'
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13:31 asciilifeform anyway, there are surely people, but i have not met them yet.
13:31 asciilifeform they, if they live, are in another kingergarten, somewhere far.
13:33 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: http://read.pudn.com/downloads170/sourcecode/crypt/789721/ciphers/rc6.asm__.htm << rc6.
13:36 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: incidentally, when i wrote to bernstein, there was 0 answer.
13:36 asciilifeform (and i wrote on 2 separate occasions.)
13:37 asciilifeform the academics, any and all of them, afaik, the bought and the unbought, the imbeciles and the brilliant, americans or chinese, so far show 0 inclination to distinguish us from the ants.
13:37 mircea_popescu the alternative explanation being that people are seriously disabled in the sense of coming up with motivation on their own.
13:39 mircea_popescu this is judicious - there's 0 inclination on our part to feed them so they do what they want to do.
13:39 mircea_popescu academics and republic are mutually exclusive constructions.
13:42 asciilifeform the non-academics, on the other hand, also disappoint. for wholly other reasons.
13:43 mircea_popescu eh, what was appointed for them to disappoint ?
13:43 asciilifeform very basic jobs, comprehensible even to a retarded lemur, remain screamingly undone.
13:43 mircea_popescu tell me about it.
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13:43 asciilifeform (e.g., block cipher with ~any~ theoretical basis)
13:43 mircea_popescu stuff currently in the eulora hackathon could have been done ~two years ago.
13:44 asciilifeform btw asciilifeform is building a massive 3d gpu + fast cpu + max ram etc. machine, and, among other uses, it will build+run eulora
13:46 BingoBoingo how does RAM compare to Phuctor?
13:46 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: smaller
13:46 BingoBoingo :(
13:47 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: civilian box, for pleasure, 32G
13:47 asciilifeform fits into a ~toaster-sized iron box.
13:47 BingoBoingo Oh my
13:47 asciilifeform maybe i fill it with transformer oil.
13:49 mircea_popescu asciilifeform the difference being you know, that "come up with block cipher with ~any~ theoretical basis" is more in the vein of http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-23#1589135 whereas eulora bot things are more in the vein of "fix yourself a martini"
13:49 a111 Logged on 2016-12-23 14:07 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-21#1587182 << speaking of this, here's a question for the eager : a diophantine equation is a multivariate polynomial, something like ax+by^2 = 0. the question is : given an arbitrary finite set of known-good equations, can you use recursion to decide whether an arbitrary equation in the same variables is good (has integer solution) or no good ?
13:50 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: this is so, but mt. everest screams out to climbers from afar
13:50 asciilifeform whereas martini, most folx have to fix with own hands.
13:53 mircea_popescu if your criteria becomes "i won't do that because too hard ; and i won't do this because too easy" then yes you've just about described present day academia.
13:54 asciilifeform well yes, it's sop 'publish/perish'
13:54 asciilifeform too hard ? no paper. too easy ? no paper.
13:54 asciilifeform derivative crapolade ? paperpaperpaper!111
13:54 mircea_popescu aha.
13:55 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2014-06-22#728963 << seealso.
13:55 a111 Logged on 2014-06-22 17:22 asciilifeform: that many of the titles bear a striking resemblance to each other. "Adaptive Mesh Analysis" reads one and "An Adaptive Algorithm for Mesh Analysis" reads another. Dividing the total remaining by the average number of repetitions halves the list again. Mozart disappears before your very eyes.'
~ 17 minutes ~
14:12 asciilifeform in other probably-not-news, http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/ug540/?raw=true << MOST gentoo mirrors have been converted into 'glue traps' where you either get 'file not found' for a CATALOGUED package (best case), or it HANGS FOR FIVE WHOLE MINUTES on 'PASV ...'
14:13 asciilifeform the scene from '100 years of solitude', where ants eat the baby but carefully leave the skin in roughly the correct shape, comes to mind
14:13 asciilifeform pick it up - there is no meat in it, only a billion ant
14:19 mircea_popescu aha
14:19 mircea_popescu ubuntu pioneered this.
14:21 mircea_popescu and the gcc 4.x issue is not without ramifications. consider : http://logs.minigame.bz/latest.log.html#t18:28:17
14:22 mircea_popescu they're forcing the latest in static linking deliberate breakage (+ no doubt other goodies) into the "ecosystem"
14:22 asciilifeform noshit, i rang this alarm bell right here 2+ yrs ago
14:23 asciilifeform and yes, all according to plan, it goes.
14:23 mircea_popescu which i suppose warrants a general warning : DO NOT UPGRADE YOUR GCC TO 5.0! SAVE YOUR COPIES OF 4.X AND PRIOR!
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14:23 mircea_popescu your ability to use computers may come to depend on obeying the above.
14:23 mircea_popescu asciilifeform aha.
14:23 asciilifeform not quite so simple, e.g., c++11 ~dunwork under 4.x, and you're stuck with 'boost' and other abortions to make up for the missing functionality.
14:24 asciilifeform what the shitgnomes are really trying for is to smoke folks out of using gcc entirely
14:24 asciilifeform and onto llvm.
14:24 mircea_popescu can't say rms / gnu is hindering them any.
14:24 asciilifeform what's he to do
14:24 mircea_popescu how's that consideration within my interest ?
14:25 mircea_popescu "what's he to do" only counts for lords of the republic - not of usg peons.
14:25 asciilifeform the man's a living mushroom, i dun think this has a constructive answer
14:25 asciilifeform but i have yet to see mushroom get up and fight.
14:26 asciilifeform http://www.insecam.org/en/view/386702/ << in other lulz
14:27 mircea_popescu http://www.insecam.org/en/view/386721/ << o look enumerable and errything
14:28 mircea_popescu do you suppose any sex ever happens in austins room ?
14:28 asciilifeform ..who?
14:28 mircea_popescu 2nd in my link
14:29 asciilifeform aah lel
14:29 mircea_popescu http://www.insecam.org/en/view/384721/ << looks like a great place to take a coupla sluts and some rope/chain
14:29 asciilifeform when i ran evil tor exit, collected a bunch of these
14:30 Framedragger hm. i still run one (low bandwidth), would be interesting to check things i suppose..
14:31 asciilifeform would be interesting to auto-crawl these, apply image transform where you search for flesh tones
14:32 phf hehe, that rsa one is beautiful
14:33 mircea_popescu asciilifeform because why, shortage of cunt or what
14:34 asciilifeform ~no good reason, or it'd exist
14:34 asciilifeform but some folx do like unprepared-cunt
14:34 mircea_popescu yeah. sickies.
14:34 asciilifeform asciilifeform for example can't stand the prepared kind.
14:35 mircea_popescu eh, who knew alf were all about surprise seks
14:39 asciilifeform http://www.insecam.org/en/view/245507/#camstream << dog pound
14:40 Framedragger given that this is in san francisco, am i looking at a typical californian startup hackaton here?
14:40 Framedragger not enough butt-sniffing, so maybe that's a no.
14:40 trinque also at least one of them appears to be paid for her work
14:41 Framedragger maybe vc funded startup
14:43 asciilifeform http://www.insecam.org/en/view/389881 << mircea_popesculandia !
14:45 asciilifeform http://www.insecam.org/en/view/168264/#camstream << the strangest i/o relay i've ever seen. lamp is hooked, by all indications, to the 'network contact' box. as is the toggle.
14:45 asciilifeform who said proxy had to be automatic.
14:47 phf pete_dushenskiland in its natural state http://www.insecam.org/en/view/235167/
14:48 phf http://www.insecam.org/en/view/394778/
14:49 asciilifeform http://www.insecam.org/en/view/377320/#camstream << wtf
14:49 asciilifeform phf: lol!
14:51 phf this is a proper buenos aires scene http://www.insecam.org/en/view/343710/
14:51 asciilifeform http://www.insecam.org/en/view/376032/ << altair !
14:52 phf all these snowy landscapes remind me that i miss snow. i might need to go somewhere cold for a week or two..
14:52 asciilifeform the geoloc leaves something to be desired: http://www.insecam.org/en/view/354705/#camstream << unless it really is beach weather in nyc
14:55 asciilifeform http://www.insecam.org/en/view/299252/ < foucault's pendulum..
14:56 Framedragger pretty cool images, some of these. weirdly artistically stimulating
14:57 asciilifeform http://www.insecam.org/en/view/239930/#camstream << 'provably fair!11111'
14:59 Framedragger heh, speaking of 'provably fair' and location in question (tallinn), they've been doing e-voting (for all major elections etc) for a few years now. iirc code audits showed weak spots, multiple sek0rity expert teams, advisory bodies etc recommended to shut it down because it was unsafe, but proud estonia knows better.. :p
15:03 Framedragger but it's secure because it's on github and many people have looked and shit https://github.com/vvk-ehk/evalimine
15:03 asciilifeform http://www.insecam.org/en/view/368537/ << parrot ?
15:03 Framedragger README says "the code that can be found here is the code that is used for election" so that's sorted......
15:07 asciilifeform lel, i think i've been here: http://www.insecam.org/en/view/257432/#camstream
15:07 asciilifeform and here: http://www.insecam.org/en/view/211026/
15:10 pete_dushenski phf: looks about right :D
15:15 mircea_popescu Framedragger all bureaucracies prefer evoting for the simple reason that "representative democracy" doesn't work anyway, and evoting is way th fuck cheaper.
15:15 mircea_popescu when hiring astrologer, hire cheapest.
15:15 pete_dushenski asciilifeform: what kind of graphix card are you plugging in your new eulorabox ? i'm also mid-build and am unsure if meagre nvidia quadro fx 1500 with 256mb is enough steam. curious to see what you'll be using.
15:15 mircea_popescu pete_dushenski more than enough
15:16 asciilifeform pete_dushenski: 1070
15:16 pete_dushenski mircea_popescu: o ? awesome
15:16 asciilifeform it oughta suffice.
15:17 mircea_popescu the minigame recommended build is geforce gt 600s / radeon hd 6000s or above.
15:17 mircea_popescu these are cca 2006 cards.
15:17 pete_dushenski asciilifeform: 8gb gfx card ? mega.
15:18 asciilifeform they're inexpensive.
15:18 pete_dushenski mircea_popescu: perfect!
15:19 pete_dushenski asciilifeform: 0.4 BTC isn't thaaat cheap.
15:20 mircea_popescu https://www.amazon.com/PNY-NVIDIA-GeForce-PCI-Express-VCGGT6302XPB/dp/B00847LDKC moar like .1
15:20 asciilifeform i meant, it's a konsooomer board, not a rarity of whatever kind
15:21 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: linked item is the minimal board for eulora ?
15:21 mircea_popescu no, it's the recommended.
15:21 asciilifeform aah
15:21 mircea_popescu eulora works fine on, eg "Mesa DRI Intel(R) Ivybridge Mobile"
15:21 mircea_popescu and all sorts of utter, ancient laptop level crap.
15:22 asciilifeform lel that's a 2d card...
15:22 mircea_popescu ikr?
15:26 pete_dushenski let this therefore be remembered as the time alf pissed away 0.3btc (30mn ecu) on his eulorabox build. but hey, nothing like a little deficit to urge on the bot-crafting imagination! watch alf knock down all four hackathon prizes now.
15:27 mircea_popescu who knows, maybe in a few years the gfx level goes way up and it'll turn it into a good investment.
15:28 pete_dushenski aha obsolescence insurance
15:29 pete_dushenski hella expensive insurance mind you, but insurance nonetheless
15:29 mircea_popescu anyway, there's people playing with quadro fx boards, so should be fine.
15:31 pete_dushenski wunderbar. i'd had enough holiday shopping anyways.
15:32 jurov there's (possibly water-related) bug capping fps at ~12 even at some decent setups (such as mine radeon 7790)
15:32 jurov will be hilarious if alf runs into it, too
15:32 mircea_popescu yeah radeon is for some reason iffier fwis.
15:33 mircea_popescu possibly because the client gfx library isn't properly ironed out, tbh.
15:33 asciilifeform jurov: 12?! i played 'quake' on 486-dx2, was approx like this.
15:34 mircea_popescu i have mine capped because otherwise it's 150-200 which... meh.
15:34 asciilifeform and lel, i dun think i said that i planned to ~play~ eulora. just -- build and run !!
15:34 jurov as there's no fighting yet, it's fully playable at 12
15:35 mircea_popescu tbh i'm not a great fan on the twitch frenzy "rts" style. i expect fighting to be a lot closer to the tbs roots of, eg, mm7.
15:35 asciilifeform in other lulz:
15:35 asciilifeform * /usr/portage/dev-lang/gnat-gcc/files/gnat-gcc-4.9.3-make-default-paths-match-slot.patch
15:35 asciilifeform * ( gnat-gcc-4.9.3-make-default-paths-match-slot.patch )
15:35 asciilifeform * ERROR: dev-lang/gnat-gcc-4.9.3::gentoo failed (unpack phase):
15:35 asciilifeform * Cannot find $EPATCH_SOURCE!
15:36 asciilifeform this is pure martian-level surreality: gnat-gcc-...[crapola].patch doesn't exist. but no package takes ownership of it.
15:36 asciilifeform nor is there any sign on www as to why it existed, when, where.
15:36 asciilifeform but EXPECTED!
15:36 mircea_popescu lol. gentoo ftw ?
15:37 asciilifeform it's a tupolev, approximately.
15:37 asciilifeform falls down randomly from the sky, but what else you gonna fly on
15:37 mircea_popescu o look, this is a known bug known since... 2006
15:37 asciilifeform if you dun want to suck boeing cock
15:38 mircea_popescu https://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-t-372256-highlight-epatchsource.html
15:38 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: not related, same eggog whenever you're missing a patch
15:38 asciilifeform the reason is unique in each case
15:38 mircea_popescu ah
15:38 asciilifeform it's roughly analogous to an unexpectedly orphaned v-tree.
15:44 asciilifeform pete_dushenski: $box is intended to replace one of my current heathenware boxen -- airgapped machines for winblowz CADs and similar
15:45 asciilifeform i.e. a toilet
15:46 * pete_dushenski imagines poem about a poop named eulora
15:52 asciilifeform https://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-office/2016/12/23/statement-president-signing-national-defense-authorization-act-fiscal << in other lulz, obummer refers to 'my administration will....'
15:53 pete_dushenski http://media.gettyimages.com/photos/editorial-cartoon-entitled-moving-day-march-4th-depicts-former-as-picture-id128514577 << "...pack up and gtfo, nobel prize and all"
15:54 asciilifeform 'First, section 507 of the bill would authorize certain cabinet officials to "drop from the rolls" military officers without my approval. The Constitution does not allow Congress to authorize other members of the executive branch to remove presidentially appointed officers, so I will direct my cabinet members to construe the statute as permitting them to remove the commission of a military officer only if the officer accepts their d
15:54 asciilifeform ecision or I approve the removal.' << not spoken quite like a d00d who plans to get off the throne at the appointed hour, now is it.
15:59 pete_dushenski asciilifeform: recall this is the same 'red line' feller that can't tie his own shoelaces before insinuating that he's anything more than nyc corner meat-on- stick.
16:00 pete_dushenski after 7.9 years of failure to 'yes we can', he's squeezing the last 0.1 to tag the whitehouse walls with 'obummer wuz heer'
16:04 pete_dushenski speaking of tagging, looksee what i spotted at the base of a lamp pole recently : http://www.contravex.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/12/TRB-everywhere.jpg
16:06 mod6 nice
16:06 mircea_popescu lel Three Retters could Be anything.
16:06 mircea_popescu asciilifeform i dun follow the logix.
16:07 mircea_popescu seems entirely a product of "leakage intensifies, we might have to fire whole army on short notice at this rate"
16:14 asciilifeform https://media.ccc.de/v/33c3-7949-wheel_of_fortune << in other lelz, guess of what 0 mention
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16:21 ben_vulpes +4,200 -18,102
16:21 ben_vulpes oh yeah
~ 15 minutes ~
16:37 asciilifeform and apparently, https://archive.is/eKFGo is still a thing
16:37 asciilifeform 'The Obama administration rolled the executive order out to great fanfare as a way to punish and deter foreign hackers who harm U.S. economic or national security.'
16:38 asciilifeform так победим ! (tm) (r)
16:39 mircea_popescu hurr.
16:43 mircea_popescu lol wait, the us is going to "punish" russia ? like last time when they "us&allies embargo on russia sunk the us&allies economy" ?
16:43 mircea_popescu what are they going to do this time, anal sex with marine mammals ? TO PUNISH RUSSIA!!!! ?
16:44 mircea_popescu also, that ccc.de thing doesn't load ?
16:44 Framedragger http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-28#1592214 << entirely possible folx weren't aware of phuctor, it's not exactly advertised much. (then again, cue mp's "they don't have a right/privilege not to be aware"..)
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16:44 a111 Logged on 2016-12-28 21:14 asciilifeform: https://media.ccc.de/v/33c3-7949-wheel_of_fortune << in other lelz, guess of what 0 mention
16:44 asciilifeform suuure
16:44 Framedragger mircea_popescu: media.ccc.de is 195.54.164.138
16:45 asciilifeform devoted readers of boeck, henninger, et al
16:45 Framedragger asciilifeform: you really think everyone in h4cker kommunity is aware of phuctor?
16:45 mircea_popescu the pretense that someone in any way even vaguely involved with crypto is not at this point aware of phuctor is on the level of terrestrial life somehow "not being aware the sun exists".
16:45 mircea_popescu Framedragger yes.
16:45 Framedragger well if you define 'vaguely involved with crypto' as per tmsr-usual "has WoT presence" then yeah
16:45 mircea_popescu moreover, it's a fine lithmus test : doesn't know of phuctor by now, isn't actually involved.
16:45 mircea_popescu not at all.
16:46 Framedragger completing the logical circle :)
16:46 mircea_popescu you can give it your own definition.
16:46 asciilifeform boeck, schneier, the other scum, they -- know
16:46 mircea_popescu as long as it's not "sits in front of cctv shows on '''cryptography'''" it works.
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16:46 mircea_popescu Framedragger think for a second, obscure "students" in obscure "technical universities" know about it
16:47 mircea_popescu moreover, nsa agents in charge of narrative.net THINK it is CREDIBLE that such students would so know.
16:47 mircea_popescu it's a foregone conclusion at this point.
16:47 Framedragger this isis girl in tor reads crypto papers and implements them and runs their bridges infrastructure which uses its own nifty things (hashrings for distributing bridge nodes etc), i'm quite certain she hasn't heard
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16:47 Framedragger but maybe i should ping her actually
16:47 trinque lol
16:47 trinque her and marvin moonpie?
16:48 mircea_popescu lol this isis girl in tor
16:48 Framedragger trinque: you referring to moxie i'm guessing :D
16:48 Framedragger oh she's an actually good developer.
16:48 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: there's some chick (?) with actual handle 'isis'
16:48 mircea_popescu "she" ; "an"
16:48 Framedragger before isis became popular
16:48 mircea_popescu this bear bourbaki makes excellent frappucinos.
16:49 mircea_popescu except for the part where it's "an" or "bear".
16:49 Framedragger you haven't met her in person, you don't know.
16:49 Framedragger https://blog.patternsinthevoid.net/ << her
16:49 Framedragger lulz including http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/tor-developer-isis-agora-lovecruft-publicly-accuses-fbi-harassment-1558607 etc
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16:49 mircea_popescu oh really.
16:49 mircea_popescu Framedragger this "one" "girl" on ask.fm has asked many thousands of people whether they heard of bitcoin.
16:50 mircea_popescu you haven't met her in person so you don't know.
16:50 Framedragger what i'm saying is that she actually does crypto. if you shift goalposts, whatever
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16:50 mircea_popescu no. what i am saying is that the isis handle is not "a" or "girl".
16:50 Framedragger well look at what she's done if you'd like, i'm not saying you'd have to meet her in person
16:50 Framedragger why?
16:51 mircea_popescu why do i say what i say ? because it's true, what.
16:51 Framedragger her handle is 'isis agora lovecruft', it's a pseudonym, retarded or not, like framedragger
16:51 ben_vulpes "well known figure in github circles"
16:51 mircea_popescu unlike framedragger, however, it's not one dork your age, but a bunch of them.
16:51 Framedragger (obvs i'm not defending her being core part of tor, or tor.)
16:52 Framedragger oh you're saying 'isis' doesn't have a good referent. i agree. she has a pgp key alright.
16:52 mircea_popescu i'm saying isis is as good a referent as FUCKGOATS. have you met him ?
16:52 Framedragger hurr
16:52 mircea_popescu he's a good guy, publishes software.
16:53 Framedragger s/isis/Isis Agora Lovecruft
16:53 mircea_popescu same thing.
16:53 Framedragger (i've met and confirmed owner of this handle)
16:53 mircea_popescu how did you do that ?
16:54 Framedragger oh ffs. meat pgp signing event, for one
16:54 mircea_popescu so you went to a room where a bunch of other kids were and you met this girl who said "hi, i'm isis[agoralovecruft]" ?
16:54 Framedragger person who signed all $project-committed code = person standing in front of me, etc.
16:54 trinque and if you saw hanno shitbag, you'd conclude that you'd met only one person, and not an NSA tendril?
16:55 trinque where's danielpbarron, Framedragger needs help identifying plants by their fruit
16:55 Framedragger person with current root access to tor boxen in bridge infrastructure = person sitting here and teaching me stuff, etc
16:55 mircea_popescu that i can believe yeah.
16:55 Framedragger (and no it's not a 'formal proof' i know.. :/ )
16:56 mircea_popescu for my own edification, how many people would you think have root access to tor boxen in bridge infrastructure as of say today ?
16:56 Framedragger one
16:56 Framedragger one or two. i know both. the other guy is a guy
16:56 ben_vulpes mircea_popescu: have you ever wrestled with mp-wp stripping '.' characters from uploaded filenames when there's more than one?
16:57 trinque Framedragger must've used tor at some point, wants very much to believe no one saw him in there.
16:57 trinque sorry bub
16:57 Framedragger they may have even paid me!!11
16:58 mircea_popescu Framedragger one or two huh ? aite.
16:58 Framedragger (actually da truth)
16:58 Framedragger (probably only one tho)
16:58 mircea_popescu ben_vulpes trilema.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/10/gnupg-1.4.10.tar.gz.asc << i think not
16:59 phf Framedragger: it's always the same with you, "this online personality construct is great" "they do useful research" etc. until they publish "i don't believe in pgp" or really act in any way that you didn't expect. and then you don't have any recourse, because they are online personality constructs. how well do you know this "online researcher" if you ~having spent significant amount of effort to collect and upload ssh keys~ didn't even
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16:59 phf chat her up about it.
16:59 ben_vulpes mircea_popescu: cooooool
17:00 mircea_popescu phf the clearing of head is a slow and painful, mostly private process. now he has a definite reference point to come back to later at least.
17:00 Framedragger phf: fair. with regards to chatting up it was more to do with me not being involved with tor anymore; but even that particular still stands, so yes fair
17:01 Framedragger (fwiw i wouldn't defend tptacek as much, at all, but i can see how these framedraggerisms can be related under same umbrella)
17:01 deedbot http://qntra.net/2016/12/bitcoin-network-difficulty-continues-climb-rising-2-43-percent-for-yet-another-all-time-high/ << Qntra - Bitcoin Network Difficulty Continues Climb Rising ~2.43 Percent For Yet Another All Time High
17:02 Framedragger (also apologies if my continued presence renders a constant source of radiation damage)
17:02 mircea_popescu Framedragger the objection is methodological not factual.
17:02 mircea_popescu and dun worry about it, there's no damage, but there are some chuckles here and there.
17:03 phf ^
17:03 Framedragger right. and it's valid, i can't really defend it properly
17:03 Framedragger i did learn that if i don't flush out the funny parts i'll just grow up to be someone with no interior at all. :)
17:04 * trinque just doesn't wanna see Framedragger befall the result of misplaced trust
17:05 mircea_popescu sadly there's no universal pill for that.
17:06 Framedragger i'm pruning trustleaves slowly, but yeah need another degree of rigour hm
17:07 ben_vulpes mircea_popescu: would you humor me and upload a genesis.vpatch.mircea_popescu.sig and let me know what your mp_wp does?
17:07 mircea_popescu anyway, phf 's notion of "recourse" is a lot more important than directly obvious in context ; it's a direct restatement of the "opposable" concept used in discussing deedbot payment design, and altogetgher the trestlework of sanity in operations.
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17:07 mircea_popescu you know what you know in a solid and sustainable way when assumption is backed by recourse.
17:07 mircea_popescu ben_vulpes well ima try whatever multidot random file a sec
17:09 mircea_popescu and that's the entire point of the forum as it works and the other things as they develop - to make recourse in assumption not merely possible, but a matter of course.
17:10 mircea_popescu it is this that distinguishes human from tv-consumer, be the tv delivered over analog cable or digital cable as "www".
17:11 asciilifeform https://github.com/isislovecruft/python-gnupg/issues/169 << re 'isis lovecruft' :
17:11 mircea_popescu ben_vulpes http://trilema.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/12/slutmoth.jpg <<< apparently it purges dots other than last o.O it turns out whenever i try that i get pissed off, curse, then upload via sftp.
17:11 ben_vulpes oh
17:11 ben_vulpes cool
17:11 asciilifeform 'Code page conversion renders binary files unusable during encryption #169' 'Oh god. I don't know what to do here. Unencoded or differently-encoded data needs to undergo this conversion. However, there's no way to detect valid unicode… it's essentially arbitrary binary. I'm at a loss for what to do here, and open to suggestions.'
17:12 mircea_popescu what the fuck is this anyway.
17:12 ben_vulpes looks like what i see as well
17:12 Framedragger that's not an altogether bad attitude now, is it. but yes she's paying for using python 3
17:12 mircea_popescu ben_vulpes if you patch it lemme know.
17:12 asciilifeform ben_vulpes, mircea_popescu : fwiw i never used wp's uploadtron, never wanted to, and configure my wp in such a way that all files on disk are read-only.
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17:12 asciilifeform and ditto all dirs.
17:12 mircea_popescu this is perfectly doable.
17:12 asciilifeform aha
17:12 asciilifeform quite trivially doable
17:13 asciilifeform Framedragger: she is not 'paying for python3' but earning that luscious paycheque from hitler.
17:13 asciilifeform doing exactly what she was put to do.
17:13 mircea_popescu that'd be a matter of perspective now wouldn't it!
17:14 asciilifeform mircea_popescu's iron algo is merciless and applicable : '$critter is Genuine 313333337 h4xx00r' 'really, where was he when we broke 1700 rsa keys in one night' '...'
17:14 asciilifeform where was he, she, it, zhe, the next morning? the week after ?
17:14 asciilifeform derping about crapple ? about yahoo ?
17:15 mircea_popescu moreover, defense of the "busy elsewhere" line does utterly require them ~to have done something~. which... "oh, i existed" isn't a doing.
17:16 asciilifeform quite
17:16 Framedragger but it is a bit funny how all of these "is element part of this precious set" functions defined in tmsr yield elements only from tmsr. you'd say that's not a problem, but you know.
17:16 asciilifeform Framedragger: we had that finnish d00d
17:16 asciilifeform for a week or so.
17:16 mircea_popescu Framedragger actually i dunno if you read the first lordship list thing, but this is there.
17:17 mircea_popescu "the statement isn't made these are the best - the statement is made these are good. let any other good in their own mind prove this in their own ways."
17:17 Framedragger asciilifeform: airgap solution guy or someone else? just curious
17:19 Framedragger mircea_popescu: ah, that *is* a nice way of putting it. but then, it's a much weaker assertion than "define cryptoperson as someone who's heard of phuctor" :)
17:19 mircea_popescu but in point of fact it does - because nothing remarkable happened in 2016.
17:19 asciilifeform !#seen kmalkki
17:19 a111 2016-10-15 <kmalkki> apu1 also really needs DBREQn asserted to give access to USEHDT IR/DR pair
17:19 mircea_popescu so if they weren't there - they weren't.
17:19 asciilifeform Framedragger: ^him
17:19 asciilifeform the sageprobe d00d
17:19 Framedragger ahh right!
17:21 asciilifeform he found my www, which was -- and remains -- the only place on entire planet where there is public data re the probe.
17:21 asciilifeform (that -- plus now the l0gz here.)
17:21 asciilifeform then came here.
17:21 asciilifeform then vanished.
17:27 mircea_popescu naked girl on heels with banana in hand walking purposefully across room. /me laughs, she's all "what!" "are you going to eat that ?" "yes i'm going to eat it!"
17:27 mircea_popescu the life and times.
17:30 mircea_popescu "Complicating matters, the Trump transition team has not yet had extensive briefings with the White House on cybersecurity issues, including the potential use of the cyber sanctions order. The slow pace has caused consternation among officials, who fear that the administration’s accomplishments in cyber­­security could languish if the next administration fails to understand their value." << lulz. aren't they sweet with th
17:30 mircea_popescu eir "only reason anyone could think us irrelevant would be them being uneducated!"
17:31 mircea_popescu "gotta educate everyone as to our importance!!111"
~ 30 minutes ~
18:01 asciilifeform 'cyber sanctions'
18:02 mircea_popescu no longer allowed to have cyber sex!
18:02 * mircea_popescu shall bbl.
18:05 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-28#1592260 << 'does crypto' lol
18:05 a111 Logged on 2016-12-28 21:50 Framedragger: what i'm saying is that she actually does crypto. if you shift goalposts, whatever
18:06 asciilifeform (broke a cryptosystem? designed one ? implemented one ? hell, served time in a salt mine with 'cryptographers', at least ? any ? which ?)
18:06 Framedragger site:https://lists.torproject.org/pipermail/tor-reports/ isis
18:07 * asciilifeform comes upon first mention of the handle, https://lists.torproject.org/pipermail/tor-reports/2016-December/001113.html , and reads:
18:08 asciilifeform 'Began implementing the crypto needed for the social distributor, as well as writing documentation describing it. [0] [1] In light of the history of attacks on pairing-friendly curves combined with the recent pseudo-MOV attack which solves discrete logarithms in the embedding field of the pairing (where the embedding field is of small degree), [2] I decided to avoid pairings altogether and use an attribute-based credential scheme bas
18:08 asciilifeform ed on algebraic MACs. [3] The construction of this scheme required a library for working with points on an elliptic curve, [4] which Henry de Valence and I have implemented in Rust, using a curve25519 in Edwards form. Henry has made more detailed announcement of our curve25519-dalek library on the curves mailing list, [5] and our documentation is also available online. [6]'
18:08 Framedragger she wrote current version of, and afaik (maybe old info) still maintains tor bridge infrastructure. at the very least includes saltmining with 'cryptographers' and implementing their ideas (not whole cryptosystems), unless saltmine implies academia
18:08 asciilifeform it saddens me to befoul the l0gz with this, but it needs to be here.
18:09 asciilifeform ecc ? check. shitlangs ? check. noxious pediwikian style? check.
18:09 Framedragger come on now, rust is not necessarily a shitlang. :)
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18:10 Framedragger and ecc, i wonder where your wrath was towards bitcoin, in that regard. (i am aware that you were never a bitcoin enthusiast tho, so there's that)
18:10 asciilifeform Framedragger: see l0gz.
18:10 Framedragger aha well ok
18:12 * asciilifeform goes to find out wtf is 'attribute-based credential scheme'
18:13 deedbot http://cascadianhacker.com/vpatch-adding-multi-channel-support-for-trinques-ircbot-and-logbot << CH - vpatch adding multi-channel support for trinque's ircbot and logbot
18:13 asciilifeform 'In most computer-related scientific work a digital identity is considered to be a set of characteristics describing certain properties about an individual. This set is dynamic, and depends on the context in which the individual is known. The attribute-based credential technology implements this model; see for instance [Camenisch et al., 2011,Alpár and Jacobs, 2013]. Personal characteristics, such as age, name, social security numbe
18:13 asciilifeform r, credit card number as well as more mundane data, like hair colour and favourite dish, are called attributes in this model. Some of these attributes are not identifying (e.g. age or hair colour) whereas others are (e.g. name or social security number). An attribute-based credential is a cryptographic container for attributes represented as integers. The two most important technologies that realise attribute based credentials are Mi
18:13 asciilifeform crosoft’s U-Prove [Brands, 2000,Brands, 2010] and IBM’s Idemix [Camenisch and Lysyanskaya, 2001,Security Team, IBM Research, 2012]. Currently, the European ABC4Trust project...'
18:13 trinque neato ben_vulpes !
18:13 asciilifeform 'Technically, an ABC is signed by an issuer using a special digital signature to provide specific security and privacy properties....'
18:13 mats lol asciilifeform
18:13 asciilifeform (koning et al, 'The ABC of ABC')
18:14 asciilifeform looks like a rerun of oooooooooold movie, http://btcbase.org/log/2015-04-02#1084135 .
18:14 a111 Logged on 2015-04-02 14:58 asciilifeform: 'Boneh, in joint work with Matt Franklin, constructed a novel pairing-based method for identity-based encryption (IBE), whereby a user's public identity, such as an email address, can function as the user's public key. Since then, Boneh's contributions, together with those of others, have shown the power and versatility of pairings, which are now used as a mainstream tool in cryptography. The transfer of pairings from theory t
18:14 asciilifeform they changed the name.
18:14 asciilifeform because this... works. somehow.
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18:15 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-29#1550178 << the definitive thread re subj.
18:15 a111 Logged on 2016-09-29 14:55 asciilifeform: (in actuality, in 'identity-based' crypto, folks actually encipher to a pubkey that is produced by F(Pc, X) where Pc is the chump's email addr and X is a public key of the great inca; chump (email addr holder) can decipher with his Pk_c private key, and so can the inca.
18:15 ben_vulpes standby 2, there's more coming on that post
18:16 asciilifeform now, back to Framedragger's gurl, 'This work is potentially applicable to other OTF and internet freedom projects, including Tor (if we ever allow linking against Rust code) and Signal. After a meeting with Trevor Perrin, we've also added to our todo list (probably after this project is done, so with alternate funding) to incorporate into curve25519-dalek some additional functionality required for the Signal protocol.'
18:16 asciilifeform do we need more of this, or is the verdict clear.
18:17 Framedragger i wasn't going to show that she was doing good crypto. but this is definitely doing crypto :) (unless goalposts shifted again, etc)
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18:17 asciilifeform and lol, they have an ' isabela at riseup.net ' ?!!!
18:17 asciilifeform !#s riseup
18:17 a111 21 results for "riseup", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=riseup
18:18 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-08#1537389 <<
18:18 a111 Logged on 2016-09-08 17:21 asciilifeform: in other noose, remember the 'riseup' derpatron? the one with the, what, dozen phuctur pops ? well, https://archive.is/PEVaX
18:18 trinque yeah but asciilifeform, https://avatars0.githubusercontent.com/u/907241
18:19 asciilifeform what's that
18:19 trinque her legz!1!11
18:19 asciilifeform could be pete_dushenski's legz for all i know.
18:19 asciilifeform needs more ABClegcredentialsystem!
18:20 asciilifeform moar permissioned signature!
18:21 ben_vulpes aight, trinque updated
18:22 asciilifeform Framedragger: this is 'doing crypto' like a hobo throwing up in the hallway of university physics dept. where he was let in from the cold, barfing and liquishitting before making it to the toilet, is 'doing physics'
18:22 trinque ben_vulpes: very nice
18:22 * trinque back later, after hoon in candidate truck
18:22 ben_vulpes hoon dems
18:23 asciilifeform except hobo is far above, he is unpretentious, and unmistakable
18:23 ben_vulpes if you don't bottom it out it's not a proper test drive
18:23 asciilifeform ben_vulpes: that looks to be potentially very spiffy.
18:23 Framedragger seems distinct from http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-28#1592238 to me.
18:23 a111 Logged on 2016-12-28 21:46 mircea_popescu: as long as it's not "sits in front of cctv shows on '''cryptography'''" it works.
18:23 Framedragger not arguing re pretentiousness
18:24 asciilifeform understand, folx who associate with tor, are a riotous laugh
18:25 asciilifeform at one time ~i, personally~ was logging a small double digit % of all tor traffic.
18:25 asciilifeform not even nsa, or whoever. but asciilifeform , with own hands.
18:25 asciilifeform it was a snore. but srsly, these people.
18:25 asciilifeform the nerve. 'doing crypto'.
18:26 asciilifeform (you can do this experiment yourself, it is not difficult, just takes a few thou. usd / mo.)
18:26 asciilifeform exercise for the reader, how.
18:27 asciilifeform it'll also go great with mircea_popescu's 'uci' and similar.
18:27 * Framedragger just discovered http://logs.bvulpes.com/trilema , ohey nice and useful
18:27 asciilifeform and every other sybiltronic system run by wotless idiots.
18:27 asciilifeform tor, prb, etc.
18:27 asciilifeform can be given same treatment.
18:28 Framedragger sure, no argument there.
18:33 ben_vulpes Framedragger: yeah, formal announcement...sometime
18:34 ben_vulpes lacking ACTION lines as of right now
18:34 ben_vulpes ty, anyways
18:34 ben_vulpes also mimisbrunnr irc component isn't wired up to do the talmudic recitals, so...
18:36 asciilifeform to briefly revisit upstack, yes, the tor derps are gonna move to permissioned nodes ('wanna run tor relay ? get 'anonymous' privkey signed by this-here-chixxxxx0r-with-niiice-legs, first!')
18:37 asciilifeform and so will the prb imbeciles, once we start sybiling them to death
18:37 asciilifeform or even prior.
18:37 asciilifeform it's the only stratagem the inca is capable of: the 'star topology'
18:37 asciilifeform l'etat c'est moi!
18:38 asciilifeform !#s star topology
18:38 a111 13 results for "star topology", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=star%20topology
~ 19 minutes ~
18:58 ben_vulpes odd to see gribble having such troubles
~ 1 hours 34 minutes ~
20:33 deedbot http://qntra.net/2016/12/ied-at-phillipines-boxing-match-kills-10-injures-more-than-20/ << Qntra - IED At Phillipines Boxing Match Kills 10 Injures More Than 20
~ 1 hours 10 minutes ~
21:43 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-28#1592376 << how do you make the shitlang determination ?
21:43 a111 Logged on 2016-12-28 23:09 Framedragger: come on now, rust is not necessarily a shitlang. :)
21:45 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: 1) there is exactly one implementation 2) by... mozilla 3) there is exactly 1 backend 4) which is... llvm 5) the users.
21:46 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-28#1592256 <<< dude seriously, with the fucking ridiculous merit washing. plox to compare and contrast that shit with http://trilema.com/2014/interacting-with-fiat-institutions-a-guide/
21:46 a111 Logged on 2016-12-28 21:49 Framedragger: lulz including http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/tor-developer-isis-agora-lovecruft-publicly-accuses-fbi-harassment-1558607 etc
21:46 mircea_popescu and i mean that. compare and contrast. what do you notice ?
21:46 mircea_popescu asciilifeform not you, him.
21:48 mircea_popescu https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/trump-turning-away-intelligence-briefers-since-election-win/2016/11/23/5cc643c4-b1ae-11e6-be1c-8cec35b1ad25_story.html <<< teh butthurt intensifies.
~ 16 minutes ~
22:05 asciilifeform gentlemen, brace yerselves:
22:06 asciilifeform /opt/gnat/lib/gcc/x86_64-pc-linux-gnu/4.9.4/adalib/libgnat.a(socket.o): In function `__gnat_gethostbyaddr':
22:06 asciilifeform socket.c:(.text.__gnat_gethostbyaddr+0x1a): warning: Using 'gethostbyaddr_r' in statically linked applications requires at runtime the shared libraries from the glibc version used for linking
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22:06 asciilifeform /opt/gnat/lib/gcc/x86_64-pc-linux-gnu/4.9.4/adalib/libgnat.a(socket.o): In function `__gnat_gethostbyname':
22:06 asciilifeform socket.c:(.text.__gnat_gethostbyname+0xf): warning: Using 'gethostbyname_r' in statically linked applications requires at runtime the shared libraries from the glibc version used for linking
22:06 asciilifeform /opt/gnat/lib/gcc/x86_64-pc-linux-gnu/4.9.4/adalib/libgnat.a(socket.o): In function `__gnat_getservbyname':
22:06 asciilifeform socket.c:(.text.__gnat_getservbyname+0xc): warning: Using 'getservbyname_r' in statically linked applications requires at runtime the shared libraries from the glibc version used for linking
22:06 asciilifeform /opt/gnat/lib/gcc/x86_64-pc-linux-gnu/4.9.4/adalib/libgnat.a(socket.o): In function `__gnat_getservbyport':
22:06 asciilifeform socket.c:(.text.__gnat_getservbyport+0xc): warning: Using 'getservbyport_r' in statically linked applications requires at runtime the shared libraries from the glibc version used for linking
22:06 asciilifeform ^ for the record. glibc retardation -- spreads.
22:06 asciilifeform this, incidentally, was a proggy that doesn't even use tcp.
22:07 asciilifeform looks like i'm stuck forking GNAT.Sockets.
22:08 * asciilifeform is at a loss for words.
22:09 phf "trump met with u.s. intelligence secret briefing group and realized that u.s. has no secrets"
22:11 phf "a whistle blower leaked a video of the event https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YHSyySIECGE&t=2m3s"
22:12 asciilifeform lel
~ 37 minutes ~
22:50 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-28#1592392 << it's particularly funny how this recycling works, where the same invention is supposed to have been separately invented and we're supposed to credit each "individual" derp with a full copy.
22:50 a111 Logged on 2016-12-28 23:14 asciilifeform: because this... works. somehow.
22:54 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-28#1592398 << by this measure any fat man who ever farted did cooking, just not good cooking ? or i'm sorry, singing ? playing the tuba ?
22:54 a111 Logged on 2016-12-28 23:17 Framedragger: i wasn't going to show that she was doing good crypto. but this is definitely doing crypto :) (unless goalposts shifted again, etc)
22:55 asciilifeform tuba. prrrpwwwppffft!
22:58 mircea_popescu in vaguely related news i spent an hour going through all romanian military marches. the schmucks have nfi what they're doing. there is exactly one that's acceptable, everything else is crap.
22:58 mircea_popescu how fucking hard is it, the ENTIRE point of a military march is the neener factor.
23:02 mircea_popescu https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hhGtad_BUlc << this is the good one. "rapprochement march". imagine you being on the other side and trying to prevent for instance a pincer closing but failing, and then the fucking idiots play this as they're linking up.
23:04 gabriel_laddel_p ben_vulpes: how do I upload a file to an in-republic bot?
23:04 mircea_popescu curl it to wotpaste ?
23:04 gabriel_laddel_p mircea_popescu: it is a video
23:04 gabriel_laddel_p 14 min long
23:05 mircea_popescu i dunno we have support for nontext atm.
23:05 asciilifeform gabriel_laddel_p has 0 hosting space as well as no postbox..?
23:06 gabriel_laddel_p asciilifeform: I now have a postbox!
23:06 mircea_popescu ha!
23:06 asciilifeform ooh
23:06 asciilifeform congrats gabriel_laddel_p !
23:08 mircea_popescu "Using 'getservbyport_r' in statically linked applications requires at runtime the shared libraries from the glibc version used for linking" << what THE FUCK does this even mean.
23:08 gabriel_laddel_p ben_vulpes: https://drive.google.com/open?id=0Bznn0f9Mk3KASFhrSDRkU1NuNHc
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23:08 mircea_popescu the fucking reason it's static is so that it DOESNT require that.
23:09 gabriel_laddel_p it is encrypted to you and is a .ogv file. Please let me know you can decrypt and play it.
23:09 mircea_popescu why else even have a static
23:09 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: it's the crapola from ye olde glibc
23:09 mircea_popescu gabriel_laddel_p if you can encrypt you can armor and if you can armor you can wotpaste.
23:09 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: which gave us rotor etc.
23:13 gabriel_laddel_p http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-28#1592059 < hardest I've laughed in a couple days
23:13 a111 Logged on 2016-12-28 18:43 mircea_popescu: tell me about it.
23:13 mircea_popescu :p
23:14 gabriel_laddel_p http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-28#1591735 < the original proposition was, and is ARSTTEP. Hos being able to use it is just a result of having an xterm and browser around
23:14 a111 Logged on 2016-12-28 05:14 mircea_popescu: the original proposition was "hooker-ready laptop". i can see the "value add".
23:14 mircea_popescu what's arsttep again ?
23:15 gabriel_laddel_p http://web.archive.org/web/20160603040619/http://gabriel-laddel.github.io/arsttep.html
23:15 gabriel_laddel_p http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-28#1591714 < re this
23:15 a111 Logged on 2016-12-28 05:08 mircea_popescu: oh speaking of which, gabriel_laddel_p why not packaging fuckgoats with the masamunes ?
23:16 mircea_popescu eh education problem huh.
23:16 gabriel_laddel_p Indeed. And why not bundle w/eurola? You've wanted an 'emacs' interface for a while. CLIM is the logical conclusion of the emacs modality married to
23:17 mircea_popescu the fuckgoats part seems easier. so where's this address of yours and are what deal are we looking at here ? machines for fuckgoats ?
23:23 mircea_popescu tsk.
23:23 asciilifeform maybe we mail him a modem 1st.
23:23 mircea_popescu a few internet icecubes
23:23 asciilifeform bottle'o'bandwidth
23:24 mircea_popescu watch that he typed a three line thing before dcing each time too
23:26 mircea_popescu in other news, http://68.media.tumblr.com/f0b60cb4ffb53329fa0fd58134ddb50a/tumblr_ocwd2eNJZJ1vxxwdto1_1280.jpg
23:35 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: believe or not, i solved the linking idiocy.
23:35 asciilifeform once and, i think, for all.
23:35 mircea_popescu a ?
23:36 asciilifeform 1s
23:40 asciilifeform actually nm,.
23:40 asciilifeform false alarm.
23:40 asciilifeform it's still screamingly retarded.
23:43 asciilifeform it'll need some very fine surgery.
23:44 asciilifeform fortunately gnat linker is extremely programmable.
23:44 asciilifeform (you can actually pick'n'choose components of standard libs)
23:56 asciilifeform in other 'news', steve dutch has a very peculiarly broken www server.
23:56 asciilifeform e.g., https://www.uwgb.edu/dutchs/pseudosc/flipaxis.htm
23:57 asciilifeform as of some time between june 5 and sept. 6 of '15, per http://web.archive.org/web/20151015000000*/https://www.uwgb.edu/dutchs/pseudosc/flipaxis.htm
23:57 asciilifeform and the blob isn't any format i know of.
23:58 asciilifeform (no header of any kind.)
23:58 asciilifeform Entropy = 7.965176 bits per byte.
23:58 asciilifeform Optimum compression would reduce the size
23:58 asciilifeform of this 22003 byte file by 0 percent.
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