#trilema | 2016-11-29

bwahahaha naturally krebz and friends find Russian hacker behind SF subway hack http://archive.is/O5U4C

07:25

no ?!

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08:02

http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/E739A834E2CE6339A7D05EEDB78D8485695F6AA890225B692F2561197FFFFBE5 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1602...4037 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '142.244.231.80 (ssh-rsa key from 142.244.231.80 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (ssdpdev1.srv.ualberta.ca. CA AB)

~ 1 hours 30 minutes ~

09:32

http://trilema.com/2016/unicode-is-fucking-stupid-the-definitive-article/ << Trilema - Unicode is fucking stupid - the definitive article.

09:33

!!ratings deedbot

09:33

http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/r/7Pj0W/?raw=true

09:36

speaking of above article, can i get a commitment to never signing any V material which includes any non-ascii characters ? BingoBoingo diana_coman hanbot trinque mod6 danielpbarron mircea_popescu mike_c asciilifeform davout ben_vulpes phf jurov

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09:39

afaik mine is all 7bit-clean

09:40

deliberately.

09:40

as far as i know it's all clean to date, which is why this discussion didn't spring naturally

09:40

but maybe time to make the point that this cleanliness is not coincidental.

09:40

http://btcbase.org/log/2015-10-31#1312695 http://btcbase.org/log/2015-10-31#1312696

09:40

Logged on 2015-10-31 16:22 phf: but i'm not talking about diff specifically, i'm saying that whatever decissions are being made about diff now are going to influence the kind of work we'll have to do in the future

09:40

Logged on 2015-10-31 16:24 phf: some hypothetical b-a os and internal consistency of the whole model. if you say "we support utf-8" here, you're also saying "we support unicode x.y" everywhere

09:40

ftr i have orc hieroglyphs in my wwwtron , eink panels, etc but not in my unixen

09:41

so all of my working material has to be 7bitclean

09:41

or utils -- barf.

09:41

phf i'm not sure what you're saying hiar.

09:43

i'm sold on mircea_popescu's 'if you must orc, pinyin yer text and optionally have your terminal backtranslate he pinyin to hieroglyphs' pill.

09:43

we had a thread when diff was first discussed as a way to do patches (i think maybe before even v), where i was erring on the side of no unicode support on the grounds that if we decide to support unicode we have to, to borrow asciilifeforms, drink the whole spittoon

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09:44

alrighty, so that makes it 3-0.

09:44

mircea_popescu, ya

09:45

where the fuck's that thumbsup unicode glyph

09:46

👍

09:46

bwahahaha.

09:49

http://btcbase.org/log/2016-11-29#1574510 << while i still prefer mircea_popescu's pinyin, this is not really true: it is still theoretically possible to do, e.g., utf16 but with strictly civilized (cultures with alphabets, and which do not fuck goats or write in own liquishit) chars

09:49

Logged on 2016-11-29 14:43 phf: we had a thread when diff was first discussed as a way to do patches (i think maybe before even v), where i was erring on the side of no unicode support on the grounds that if we decide to support unicode we have to, to borrow asciilifeforms, drink the whole spittoon

09:49

all, what, 2? 3? 4? of these around

09:50

in principle there is a strong argument to say "alphabet size = machine word size" even if this didn't hold on pre-8 bit machines. and consequently you ~could~ have a type string that always takes 4 bytes and represents whatever the fuck. the problem is that this gives you a 400% memory allocation bloat for that type of string.

09:51

so then people will try and optimize that, and what people mean by "optimize" is always "here, i'll take the cream, you do the work for me".

09:51

which... meh.

09:51

it does, which is how the utf8 fudge happened. btw it was a monumentally wrong cut

09:51

compress the bloatstring with normal compressor!

09:51

yes, this would be very close to the lisp model of variables anyway.

09:52

aha.

09:52

but the technical problems aren't at issue here - it's the sociocultural compact of the deliberately-ignorant that are the issue.

09:52

so we gas'em

09:52

problem , solved.

09:53

the idiot's mother is always pregnant.

09:53

or more generally, can't have static solutions to process problems.

09:53

dynamic gas.

09:54

ants come every summer? thus also comes the anteater.

09:54

diana_coman

mircea_popescu, no signing of V material containing non-ascii characters, agreed

10:00

utf8 or any other variadic encoding is an evil thing, makes any nontrivial operation on a string O(N)

10:02

(this is supposed to 'not matter', 'cycles are cheap', but imho a great dark age of slow cpus -- cometh)

10:04

minds will boggle re wtf the ancestors did with their multicore GHz and what they had to show for it

10:05

FUck Unicode

10:06

Wy so many smileys?

10:11

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trinque has no love for it either, agreed.

10:23

<+mircea_popescu> speaking of above article, can i get a commitment to never signing any V material which includes any non-ascii characters ? BingoBoingo diana_coman hanbot trinque mod6 danielpbarron mircea_popescu mike_c asciilifeform davout ben_vulpes phf jurov << I commit to never signing any V material with non-ascii characters.

10:24

omaygod this is like consensus

10:25

asciilifeform the "doesn't matter cycles are cheap" happens to be exactly the gavin argument.

10:28

http://btcbase.org/log/2016-11-29#1574532 << >> http://trilema.com/2016/an-immodest-proposal/ ikr ?

10:28

Logged on 2016-11-29 14:54 asciilifeform: ants come every summer? thus also comes the anteater.

10:35

if 8th bit set makes you barf, i'll take care not to. otherwise, idgaf.

10:37

👍

10:38

jurov: your copy of 'diff' doesn't barf on 卍☭卍☭卍☭ ??

10:39

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diana_coman programmed (briefly) long time ago for a French open-source company; with azerty keyboard + unicode support because "clients" mostly French public sector entities -> after that initial experience (in fairness the unicode part was but a very small part of it - the bulk was the overall nonsense of the "endeavours") I just stopped programming all together (I got back into it years later mainly because ...eulora)

10:40

aah the great dream of all programmers : to stop.

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diana_coman

like all stops, it was but a break I suppose; even if a ...hmmmm, 10 years break sort of thing

10:42

% diff barf.txt barf2.txt

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1c1

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< 卍☭卍☭卍☭

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---

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> 卍☭☭卍☭

10:46

Not that need it for anything important.

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11:03

jurov does it treat the thumbsup unicode thing ?

11:04

yes

11:07

diana_coman, same here. stopped coding till eulora

11:08

which btw i'm gonna figure out a way to automate storage procedures like withdrawing in bulk and mixing

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i've done it manually so many times now, i know the procedure. just need to hook it up to the appropriate levers

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diana_coman

danielpbarron, automating storage retrieval/mixing would be great and it's sorely needed; for starters maybe have a look at the code in botstorage.cpp as that one deals with storage (it was used by an earlier version of the bot to get the ingredients directly from storage)

11:13

http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/2B5E5AB34C507178A1A2170F6EFC28F6DA28CD794017847D895F100E1117F00E << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1525...5797 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '93.91.48.21 (ssh-rsa key from 93.91.48.21 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (ns1.inet4.cz. CZ)

11:13

http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/8B213F3E99C8276EF9F4F7283718B1FC1E05CD4588623C6F20F1FED833CE1085 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1387...3419 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '67.18.208.92 (ssh-rsa key from 67.18.208.92 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (li23-92.members.linode.com. US TX)

11:13

http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/E739A834E2CE6339A7D05EEDB78D8485695F6AA890225B692F2561197FFFFBE5 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1522...2357 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '142.244.231.80 (ssh-rsa key from 142.244.231.80 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (ssdpdev1.srv.ualberta.ca. CA AB)

11:13

pretty epic diff.

11:13

it's the first step towards making a buy/sell bot

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danielpbarron yeah a proper bot mixer would be great

11:14

i keep doing these (7971 × 0.09 + 2011 × 4.26)÷(7971+2011) calculations

11:19

!~ticker

11:19

mircea_popescu: Bitfinex BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 732.25, Best ask: 732.59, Bid-ask spread: 0.34000, Last trade: 732.59, 24 hour volume: 4529.0719437, 24 hour low: 728.68, 24 hour high: 734.89, 24 hour vwap: None

11:25

http://btcbase.org/log/2016-11-29#1574555 << aaaah jurov must still be using the stock gnudiff, with the 'locale' crud still in

11:25

Logged on 2016-11-29 15:42 jurov: > 卍☭☭卍☭

11:33

speaking of recent phuctorings,

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nmap: 'Discovered open port 49152/tcp on 82.193.247.114' >>>>> https://archive.is/WAevR

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^ enjoy folx

11:33

is this good for progress ?

11:34

for mircea_popescu's 'ucibot' or similar..

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aha

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http://67.18.208.92 << 'Partido Obrero Secretaria de Prensa'

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lel.

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lmao

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idiots.

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http://193.170.143.70/bioinfo/joomla_2.5/ << as if debianization were not enough

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http://109.226.173.67/webui >> 'Dr. Neuhaus Telekommunikation GmbH'

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http://97.68.61.236 << 'Test Equipment Connection Corporation is your worldwide single source test & measurement solution with locations in the USA and Asia. Offering over 300 test equipment manufacturers... '

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http://41.204.196.156/ << www.utiliworx.co.za . 'A variety of market based instruments are currently being traded in the world and these can broadly be categorised as brown, white and green certificates. Brown certificates deals with greenhouse gas emissions like SO2, CO2 etc. and trading in these instruments are also referred to as Emissions Trading. A cap-and-trade regime is generally used to limit the amount of pollutants into th

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e atmosphere. Green certificates are also known as Renewable Energy Certificates are traded...'

11:43

ok i'ma end this batch with a real gem :

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openssl s_client -showcerts -connect 93.149.70.178:443

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... Server certificate subject=/O=m0n0wall issuer=/O=m0n0wall'

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http://trilema.com/2016/argentina-smaller-than-eulora/ << Trilema - Argentina, smaller than Eulora

11:45

huh, i thought those guys knew better

11:47

apparently -- not.

11:47

http://m0n0.ch/wall/end_announcement.php << lel: dead...

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( http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/FB7CABE93DD364F81470B8CE3B4F4814591FE9DB8CC09F71ABA4D7FDB057179F << above, for reference. )

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anyway, i have neither the time (presently grunting out a much-delayed and urgent item) nor inclination to do the entire backlog (what, 800 of these?! by now) by hand.

11:50

who wants - go.

11:50

hour of perl -- many glories.

11:50

maybe Framedragger's bag

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trinque grunting out a few things of his own

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^ trinque, shinohai , Framedragger , BingoBoingo , or whoever wants ^

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12:07

^ relevant ips http://btcbase.org/data/ips.txt probably not the whole thing, but what's in the logs

12:08

phf: i must point out, most of the 'debianized' boxes' ips are not in the log (either shot too quickly through rss, and/or ip was obscured by the long factor digits before trinque's '...' patch )

12:08

ah, ok then

12:09

currently the best place to get these is still :

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curl http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/phuctored | grep "ssh-rsa key from" |cut -d' ' -f23 | sort | uniq

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12:10

>> 1255

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of them.

12:11

right, that ips is around 250

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(notice, 'moduli broken' is 1058 presently -- and this includes pre-Framedragger results; but 1255 ssh ips !)

12:16

anyway bbl

12:18

what was that, the bsd firewall ?

12:29

mircea_popescu: 'm0n0wall' ? yes. and ancestor , iirc, of several projects.

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(incl. 'pf', etc)

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aha

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13:54

!~ticker --market all

13:54

shinohai: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 732.04, vol: 4896.31589981 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 732.639, vol: 4087.97272 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 732.17, vol: 4964.84722487 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 746.219061, vol: 529389.92430000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 733.002, vol: 841.77629479 | Volume-weighted last average: 745.840846044

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15:47

'“We entered [Syria] to end the rule of the tyrant al-Assad who terrorizes with state terror. [We didn’t enter] for any other reason,” the Turkish president said at the first Inter-Parliamentary Jerusalem Platform Symposium in Istanbul, as quoted by Hurriyet daily.'

15:47

l0l!

15:48

'Erdogan said that Turkey could not “endure” the unending killing of civilians and “had to enter Syria together with the Free Syrian Army.”'

15:48

and many many buckets of kurdspray

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humanitarians, the lot of em

15:49

heh, was just about to post https://www.rt.com/news/368601-erdogan-syria-oust-assad/

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trinque notices that kurds are in the middle of the russian and turkish pincers

15:53

afaik nobody but themselves really want'em alive.

15:53

( not a situation unique to kurds ! )

15:56

so the genocide of the future will be in the name of peace and ending tyranny ?

15:56

i suppose that's progress right there.

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and in other goatse, http://68.media.tumblr.com/ed70d29fa7da5305779da063256d46c2/tumblr_oaxgpvHzpq1sis2mvo1_250.gif

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"they told me I could do anything, be anyone, so I drank champagne with my ass."

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what a time to be alive

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trinque: see also http://btcbase.org/log/2014-02-07#487631

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Logged on 2014-02-07 18:06 asciilifeform: re: hallucinogen: http://img0.joyreactor.cc/pics/post/%D0%BF%D0%B5%D1%81%D0%BE%D1%87%D0%BD%D0%B8%D1%86%D0%B0-quotes-786200.jpeg (translation: most often, the words 'you ought to try everything in life' refer to dope and porn acting, but much more rarely to quantum physics and chemistry'

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18:19

http://www.strategic-culture.org/news/2016/04/28/seymour-hersh-hillary-approved-sending-libya-sarin-syrian-rebels.html

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TIL obama assisted syrian rebels with acquiring sarin, and then blamed assad for it when used in the field

18:21

eh it unhappened

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go an' try to tell 'civilian' about it, you will end up in same 'box' as the '9/11 thermite' folx.

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i haven't seen seymour hersh discredited yet

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what means here 'discredited' ?

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half a dozen chix go public with 'hersh raped me when i was 9'

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before one merits 'discrediting' of this kind, first gotta be 'credited'

18:29

there are not yet afaik half dozen chix publicly raping themselves with, e.g., mats , or asciilifeform

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gotta earn it!111

18:30

just as it takes some hard wurk to earn the michael hastings treatment.

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hersh has also reported on joint chiefs of staff subverting potus on .sy matters, because his obsession with deposing assad is leaving behind hundreds of thousands of dead syrians

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same fella that reported on the my lai massacre, no less, this reads as credit - to me

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if my lai massacre happened today, usg may well simply 'accidentally' all of the witnesses.

18:34

right on the field.

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(as was done with 'osama crew')

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makes me think this is a jihadi decimation strategy, if you can call it that.

18:35

create meat grinders, air raid them, repeat

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a clumsy holocaust, if so

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trinque: usg luuuuvvvs jihadis and every other kind of orc berserker for so long as they set fires around ru, and keep the cn and ru bases out of near east an' africa.

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( there is also some planned rape-therapy of europe involved, but i will leave this aspect to the undisputed experts, mircea_popescu et al )

18:41

no disputing that either. the insane imperial mind may think it can create these, then erase when "no longer useful"

18:41

they tend to self-erase.

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see: kurds, once "arm the freedom fighers" and now left to be smashed between Russians and Turks

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19:04

https://lists.torproject.org/pipermail/tor-talk/2016-November/042639.html

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19:43

In other college sex http://dailyegyptian.com/62890/news/siu-food-pantry-usage-three-times-higher-than-projected/

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20:06

jurov: looks like the Bitcoin Foundation Mailing List is down:

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http://therealbitcoin.org/mailman/listinfo/btc-dev

20:06

Thoughts?

20:07

seems up. don't you have aws ec2 firewalled?

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or mail did not go through?

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i didn't even try to send, was just trying to view the page...

20:11

weird. lemme try again from another place.

20:13

i can't seem to hit it from my one thing, but from the other it's fine.

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im blocked from my one thing for sure. wonder wtf. will post image.

20:15

just a sec.

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http://www.mod6.net/CloudFrontError.png

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Been so busy you forgotten how to satisfy requests? >.>

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<+jurov> seems up. don't you have aws ec2 firewalled? << no not at all actually, i have an ec2 instance that i'm connected to from the same place I'm trying to make this failing request from as I type this.

20:18

shouldn't be a problem... so weird

20:19

will look into tomorrow if it won't clear by itself

20:19

ok thanks jurov :]

20:19

i can get to it outside my little sandbox, so i guess it must be fine for everyone else.. wish i knew wtf tho

20:21

!~btc.blocks 441204

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http://mimisbrunnr.cascadianhacker.com/blocks?height=441204

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20:43

namecheap deleted the wot.deedbot.org record without being told!

20:43

what the fuck.

20:44

hm not even, it's there but not resolving

20:44

pointed out by mod6 and shinohai in another castle

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namecheap is now known as namecheat

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savages

20:52

I have a hard time seeing how a single DNS record within the set could accidentally be missing.

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http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/2B5E5AB34C507178A1A2170F6EFC28F6DA28CD794017847D895F100E1117F00E << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 2717...2039 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '93.91.48.21 (ssh-rsa key from 93.91.48.21 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (ns1.inet4.cz. CZ)

20:55

http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/8B213F3E99C8276EF9F4F7283718B1FC1E05CD4588623C6F20F1FED833CE1085 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 2065...4871 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '67.18.208.92 (ssh-rsa key from 67.18.208.92 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (li23-92.members.linode.com. US TX)

21:03

i'd recommend joker.com for domains, typically swiss approach, using them for years. but they don't accept bitcoins.

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22:03

http://btcbase.org/log/2016-11-30#1574660 << https://lists.torproject.org/pipermail/tor-talk/2016-November/042641.html lul

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Logged on 2016-11-30 00:04 shinohai: https://lists.torproject.org/pipermail/tor-talk/2016-November/042639.html

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22:21

http://trinque.org/2016/11/29/namecheap-the-incompetent-namecheap-the-nameless/ << trinque - Namecheap the Incompetent, Namecheap the Nameless

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22:40

!~bcstats

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22:50

trinque so what did you move to ?

22:53

I guess I'll try jurov's thing

22:54

http://btcbase.org/log/2016-11-29#1574637 << nobel prize, you know ?

22:54

Logged on 2016-11-29 23:20 mats: TIL obama assisted syrian rebels with acquiring sarin, and then blamed assad for it when used in the field

22:54

trinque i dun recall which that was ?

22:55

http://btcbase.org/log/2016-11-30#1574690

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Logged on 2016-11-30 02:03 jurov: i'd recommend joker.com for domains, typically swiss approach, using them for years. but they don't accept bitcoins.

22:56

ah.

22:56

http://btcbase.org/log/2016-11-29#1574651 < imagine the sort of imbeciles who still work for this very dubious employer after that.

22:56

Logged on 2016-11-29 23:35 asciilifeform: (as was done with 'osama crew')

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