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00:09 * BingoBoingo just successfully debuged clock-radio
00:10 BingoBoingo turns out it was too close to transformer
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00:35 BingoBoingo In lighter news https://i.imgur.com/1k6zUyn.png
00:35 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1RL8AxS )
00:38 pete_dushenski if that's light i dun wanna be heavy
00:48 BingoBoingo lol pete_dushenski
00:52 pete_dushenski anyone else sombrely, slowly reading through http://logs.minigame.bz/2016-01-12.log.html#t12:05:36 with (perhaps not so) strange solemnity ?
00:52 assbot #Eulora log for Tuesday, 2016-01-12 ... ( http://bit.ly/1RLa9fg )
00:53 pete_dushenski rip chetty.
00:59 pete_dushenski i guess the strange part is how unusual a window into the last few hours and minutes of a (really rather exceptional) human life it is, and how you'd never know unless you knew.
01:00 pete_dushenski http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-01-2016#1368046 << writing's on the wall. has been for a while, i suppose. http://www.contravex.com/2015/04/05/yknow-that-post-industrial-service-economy-thing-ya-its-just-another-shitty-command-economy/
01:00 assbot Logged on 12-01-2016 13:36:21; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-01-2016#1367861 << heh welcome to post-industrial society.
01:01 assbot Y’know that post-industrial service economy thing ? Ya, it’s just another shitty command economy. | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/1RLaWg4 )
01:07 pete_dushenski http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-01-2016#1368633 << i'm with kako. seems pretty unambiguous. what bc.i lists is what determines the outcome of https://bitbet.us/bet/1217/bitcoin-main-net-block-size-to-increase-before/
01:07 assbot Logged on 12-01-2016 22:24:10; punkman: the main chain of blockhain.info. can be problematic if blockchain.info starts displaying both 1mb and >1mb chains concurrently
01:07 assbot BitBet - Bitcoin main net block size to increase before July 2016 :: 0.94 B (31%) on Yes, 2.09 B (69%) on No | closing in 4 months 2 weeks | weight: 64`877 (100`000 to 2`000) ... ( http://bit.ly/1RKkQi8 )
01:07 pete_dushenski fwiw
01:08 pete_dushenski ;;ticker
01:08 gribble Bitfinex BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 427.64, Best ask: 428.54, Bid-ask spread: 0.90000, Last trade: 427.84, 24 hour volume: 39860.64921575, 24 hour low: 416.0, 24 hour high: 449.98, 24 hour vwap: None
01:20 pete_dushenski apparently usb drives still come formatted in 'fat' which doesn't seem to like files >12gb, apparently.
01:21 pete_dushenski apparently !
01:21 pete_dushenski 'journaled' seems to be the ticket.
01:22 pete_dushenski can't say i've ever had to reformat a usb drive for that...
01:22 pete_dushenski before the blockchain, that is
01:22 pete_dushenski is there nothing bitcoin doesn't disrupt ?
01:29 pete_dushenski http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=30-11-2015#1334322 << i did it again, didn't i... fuckin eh...
01:29 assbot Logged on 30-11-2015 23:20:22; mircea_popescu: alternatively, all women are the same woman, eh pete_dushenski ?
01:32 pete_dushenski oh, i see what happened now. nvm me...
01:38 pete_dushenski https://bitbet.us/bet/1240/cardano-to-ship-before-xmas-2016/ << heh
01:38 assbot BitBet - Cardano to Ship before Xmas 2016 :: 0.07 B (8%) on Yes, 0.76 B (92%) on No | closing in 10 months 3 weeks | weight: 99`845 (100`000 to 1) ... ( http://bit.ly/1Ohtget )
01:46 * BingoBoingo is thankful St Louis finally got forked off of the NFL chain so we can be done with the Inglewood rams.
01:54 BingoBoingo pete_dushenski: How much longer do you plan to be awake?
01:54 pete_dushenski maybe an hour
01:54 BingoBoingo Ah
01:55 * BingoBoingo searching for an ulbricht appeal pdf that isn't locked into scribd
01:58 BingoBoingo scribd breaks my gas mask
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02:14 pete_dushenski "Let me start with the economy, and a basic fact: the United States of America, right now, has the strongest, most durable economy in the world. We’re in the middle of the longest streak of private-sector job creation in history."
02:15 pete_dushenski " The United States of America is the most powerful nation on Earth. Period. It’s not even close. We spend more on our military than the next eight nations combined."
02:15 copypaste North Korea has the most powerful economy and army in the World, as measured by The People's Bureau of Statistics of North Korea.
02:15 copypaste yawn
02:16 copypaste "X is the best according to X"
02:16 copypaste And now you realize that the speeches of American presidents are now informercials
02:16 pete_dushenski "and since no one else spent usdollars, we spent the most usdollars! combined!"
02:17 pete_dushenski (all but last quote via, yes, bahamas)
02:17 copypaste I could tell without an attribution, it has his typical bravado backed by nothing
02:18 pete_dushenski you know your muppets
02:18 deedbot- [Qntra] Ulbricht Appellate Brief Filed - http://qntra.net/2016/01/ulbricht-appellate-brief-filed/
02:19 BingoBoingo ty goes to pete_dushenski for gopping places my gas mask clog
02:20 pete_dushenski i might not kill enough people around here, but i know how to handle myself in harsh environments
02:21 BingoBoingo Diaper duty will do that I am told
02:22 pete_dushenski quite so
02:31 BingoBoingo http://qntra.net/2016/01/two-us-navy-boats-and-ten-sailors-in-iranian-custody/#comment-39002
02:31 assbot Two US Navy Boats And Ten Sailors In Iranian Custody | Qntra ... ( http://bit.ly/1J2cotp )
02:33 pete_dushenski is it just me or does joseph biden look an awful lot like karl lagerfeld with those high white dress shirt collars ? eg. http://www.contravex.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/01/Joe-Biden-or-Karl-Lagerfeld-.png
02:33 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1J2cyRi )
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02:48 davout pete_dushenski: there definitely is something
02:49 pete_dushenski must be the angle
02:50 pete_dushenski or that biden's 8 years older than the first time i saw him, that much closer to the senior mr. l
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03:07 * pete_dushenski on to the next one
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03:32 adlai ;;later tell BingoBoingo http://dpaste.com/1F65SGC.txt
03:32 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1ZsE95s )
03:32 gribble The operation succeeded.
03:34 * adlai expresses solidarity in grief for a woman he never knew; "Poo-tee-weet?"
03:37 adlai ;;later tell gabriel_laddel http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-01-2016#1368945 << if you have to ask, you've never https://archive.is/n0n34
03:37 assbot Logged on 13-01-2016 01:24:02; gabriel_laddel: Why, stan, are threads a bad idea?
03:37 assbot Matthew Veety on Twitter: "@maybekatz I've probs said this before but thank you for making chanl. It's the best thing ever." ... ( http://bit.ly/1OqmK2V )
03:37 gribble The operation succeeded.
03:40 * adlai helps the literately-challenged members of the audience: https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/e3/e5/9e/e3e59e8e78957abcda2a7de317c8582f.jpg (now go read the remaining #'butlast pages, it's but a shingle shitting's worth)
03:40 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1ZsFwBc )
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04:01 copypaste Cryptsy just published a notice that it's been hacked on all pages https://archive.is/hxGqy
04:01 assbot Cryptsy - Trade Home ... ( http://bit.ly/1Oqol8X )
04:01 adlai what's cryptsy?
04:02 copypaste Cryptsy is an exchange where you can trade real Bitcoins (and Pushcoins) for virtually any shitty coin imaginable, even those with no running clients.
04:03 copypaste For example, Litecoins, "Stellar", Ethereum, and so on, but even far less known scams like "007coin" and "Aidencoin".
04:04 copypaste In fact, I just added it up ( $('#leftbtclist>li').size() ) - you can trade 266 shitcoins on Cryptsy.
04:04 copypaste Or at least in theory you could, before they "paused" everything a few hours ago.
04:08 adlai !s sarchasm
04:08 assbot 1 results for 'sarchasm' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=sarchasm
04:08 copypaste hehehe
04:08 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3570 @ 0.0005053 = 1.8039 BTC [-]
04:09 * adlai suddenly remembers MPExists, changes opinion re:tradespam, goes back to work
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04:37 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5637 @ 0.0005053 = 2.8484 BTC [-]
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04:59 jurov sad news. but what a life!
05:02 jurov and a lesson for me - i missed my best chance to meet chetty by being a wussie and not going a day sooner
05:04 jurov (i went by train so no big deal)
05:18 deedbot- [BitBet Bets Bets] 2.00000000 BTC on 'No' - Connor McDavid will live up to the hype - http://bitbet.us/bet/1198/connor-mcdavid-will-live-up-to-the-hype/#b9
05:24 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8539 @ 0.00050835 = 4.3408 BTC [+] {2}
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05:44 deedbot- [BitBet Bets Bets] 10.00000000 BTC on 'Yes' - Bitcoin Network Hits 1 Exahash - http://bitbet.us/bet/1228/bitcoin-network-hits-1-exahash/#b19
05:49 copypaste ;;nethash
05:49 gribble 886939250.494
05:53 jurov ;;later tell davout maybe i'm blind but where's paymium api, like vwap?
05:53 gribble The operation succeeded.
05:56 jurov advance.paymium.com does make recognizable calls like https://paymium.com//api/v1/data/eur/ticker but it's not clear whether it's daily vwap
05:57 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1ZkdemU )
06:02 jurov And since I want to make an agreement with customers based on paymium price (instead of some wannabe indexes),
06:02 jurov i'd like to see some public presentation of vwap for noobs, too, best with daily or hourly snapshot shown.
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06:33 davout jurov: vwap is 24h
06:34 davout http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-01-2016#1369075 <<< not exactly sure what you mean
06:34 assbot Logged on 13-01-2016 11:02:15; jurov: i'd like to see some public presentation of vwap for noobs, too, best with daily or hourly snapshot shown.
06:35 jurov when i will derive my price from paymium, is it possible to check that yesterday vwap was such and such?
06:48 davout we don't archive it
06:48 davout i'm busy integrating a brand new matching engine in our system, so that's the kind of feedback that's interesting for me
06:50 jurov it would be very useful, thanks.
06:59 deedbot- [BitBet Bets Bets] 1.00000000 BTC on 'Yes' - Bitcoin to top $800 before Jul 2016 - http://bitbet.us/bet/1233/bitcoin-to-top-800-before-jul-2016/#b28
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07:24 deedbot- [BitBet Bets Bets] 6.26374519 BTC on 'No' - Connor McDavid will live up to the hype - http://bitbet.us/bet/1198/connor-mcdavid-will-live-up-to-the-hype/#b10
07:24 deedbot- [BitBet Bets Bets] 9.99900000 BTC on 'Yes' - Bitcoin Network Hits 1 Exahash - http://bitbet.us/bet/1228/bitcoin-network-hits-1-exahash/#b20
07:28 mircea_popescu ;;later tell pete_dushenski that's nice to know. thanks pete.
07:28 gribble The operation succeeded.
07:29 mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-01-2016#1368941 << you'll have to bear with me, my hair is pointy and my comprehension ponderous.
07:29 assbot Logged on 13-01-2016 01:22:45; asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-01-2016#1368904 << is the concept of impedance-mismatch-with-os unclear to mircea_popescu ?
07:30 mircea_popescu but you should both document that lost decade and provide pointers to check what others did against it.
07:36 davout no more crypto for french hardware -> http://www.assemblee-nationale.fr/14/amendements/3318/CION_LOIS/CL92.asp
07:36 assbot Assemblée nationale ~ RÉPUBLIQUE NUMÉRIQUE(no 3318) - Amendement no 92 ... ( http://bit.ly/22Z6gZc )
07:36 davout "Les constructeurs de matériel doivent prendre en compte dans leurs constructions la nécessité de donner aux forces de l’ordre, dans le cadre d’une enquête judiciaire et après autorisation d’un juge, l’accès aux matériels."
07:36 mircea_popescu there is such a thing as french hardware ?!
07:37 davout some women make my wares hard
07:37 mircea_popescu lol
07:37 davout and sometimes it's my hard wares that use the back doors
07:37 davout enough of this
07:37 mircea_popescu o la la
07:40 mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-01-2016#1369017 << "i am the most powerful mobster in nycity. i pay more in shakedowns than anyone else! and this'll last, too, because it's a stable sort of situation!"
07:40 assbot Logged on 13-01-2016 07:15:01; pete_dushenski: " The United States of America is the most powerful nation on Earth. Period. It’s not even close. We spend more on our military than the next eight nations combined."
07:44 asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-01-2016#1369091 << guess he'll have to stop pgping on that minitel console...
07:44 assbot Logged on 13-01-2016 12:36:22; davout: no more crypto for french hardware -> http://www.assemblee-nationale.fr/14/amendements/3318/CION_LOIS/CL92.asp
07:44 ben_vulpes http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-01-2016#1368052 << plant foreman generally works...at plant
07:44 assbot Logged on 12-01-2016 13:49:39; mircea_popescu: why even bother with the phone after that ?
07:45 mircea_popescu so you're spending your youth, or at least every waking hour away from your child and his mother, to do things you wouldn't use on a platform you hate ?
07:45 mircea_popescu do they have any words for insanity in your language ?
07:45 * asciilifeform exists, possibly, to make ben_vulpes look sane
07:46 mircea_popescu not to get facile over here or anything, but let me point out to you from bitter experience that there is generally less time than one'd reasonably have thought.
07:46 asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-01-2016#1369063 << ben_vulpes and i had the honour. we went for coffee, and chetty took us to a park on the outskirts of town where we fed little parrots
07:46 assbot Logged on 13-01-2016 10:02:08; jurov: and a lesson for me - i missed my best chance to meet chetty by being a wussie and not going a day sooner
07:47 ben_vulpes it was the most direct short on the startup market id found pre btc
07:47 mircea_popescu i can see it ben_vulpes .
07:47 mircea_popescu asciilifeform im pretty sure jurov and chet met, i have this memory of hanging out and smoking.
07:51 asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-01-2016#1369090 << i've been doing this since '07, publicly. but as mircea_popescu points out, memento mori (tm), there is little time, and i have been doing other things
07:51 assbot Logged on 13-01-2016 12:30:08; mircea_popescu: but you should both document that lost decade and provide pointers to check what others did against it.
07:51 ben_vulpes furthermore, it is the only cashflow positive short against the startup market.
07:51 ben_vulpes well, *a* cashflow positive one.
07:51 deedbot- [BitBet Bets Bets] 18.64000000 BTC on 'Yes' - Bitcoin Network Hits 1 Exahash - http://bitbet.us/bet/1228/bitcoin-network-hits-1-exahash/#b21
07:52 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2550 @ 0.00050659 = 1.2918 BTC [-] {2}
07:53 * asciilifeform off to spend every waking hour away from anything he cares about to make things he wouldn't use on a broken platform...
07:54 mircea_popescu enjoy!
07:54 ben_vulpes ganbatte
07:56 mircea_popescu "Постарайся", именно в этой форме, а не "старайся".
07:57 mircea_popescu ;;later tell funkenstein_ http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-01-2016#1369054 << o shit, does this mean de gig is up ?
07:57 assbot Logged on 13-01-2016 09:04:03; copypaste: In fact, I just added it up ( $('#leftbtclist>li').size() ) - you can trade 266 shitcoins on Cryptsy.
07:57 gribble The operation succeeded.
08:01 ben_vulpes heh the lightly-salted bootstrap on bitcoinclassic is highly amuse
08:01 ben_vulpes "seriously we am serious with very serious footer!"
08:03 mircea_popescu serious (r) - i can't believe it's not seriouse!
08:03 mircea_popescu !s seriouse
08:03 assbot 1 results for 'seriouse' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=seriouse
08:03 mircea_popescu hmm that's odd.
08:03 ben_vulpes ;;seen thickasthieves
08:03 gribble thickasthieves was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 1 year, 10 weeks, 0 days, 21 hours, 47 minutes, and 18 seconds ago: <ThickAsThieves> but you da boss
08:04 ben_vulpes the self-eulogies are funny too
08:04 ben_vulpes ;;seen artifexd
08:04 gribble artifexd was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 37 weeks, 6 days, 14 hours, 48 minutes, and 7 seconds ago: <artifexd> I'm comfortable calling it a review. Not just of what it is but what it was and how it got to where it is.
08:05 ben_vulpes ;;seen ninjashogun
08:05 gribble ninjashogun was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 1 year, 9 weeks, 5 days, 6 hours, 31 minutes, and 12 seconds ago: <ninjashogun> I am only interested in building real-world businesses with real income streams, not taking bitcoin investments for something and running off iwth it. (Not referencing anyone here, this was a recent case with Moolah, for example. Or at least accusation.)
08:05 ben_vulpes heh
08:10 mircea_popescu asciilifeform incidentally, that wasn't even the outskirts. kinda midtown, the park is two blocks down from chacarrita, the cemetery. she lived nearby. i have a place a good 6 miles further north, right on the province border. the town extends past that, arguably.
08:11 mircea_popescu and it extends almost twice as far away from the port in the south -west than i nthe north. a town the size of a respectable country.
08:11 mircea_popescu at least in europe, at any rate.
08:14 jurov ;;seen chetty
08:14 gribble chetty was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 17 weeks, 1 day, 18 hours, 55 minutes, and 18 seconds ago: <chetty> perhaps this will backlash into getting more people off windows ...nah, I dream
08:14 mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-01-2016#1369079 << you could play observer, sign and deed it. alternatively you could just archive.is, but i suspect that'll get gnarly.
08:14 assbot Logged on 13-01-2016 11:35:57; jurov: when i will derive my price from paymium, is it possible to check that yesterday vwap was such and such?
08:14 adlai http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-01-2016#1369131 << http://s.b-a.link/?q=from%3Aindiancandy1+seri* ?
08:14 assbot Logged on 13-01-2016 13:03:07; mircea_popescu: !s seriouse
08:14 assbot 8 results for 'from:indiancandy1 seri*' - #bitcoin-assets search
08:15 mircea_popescu oh darn. thx.
08:19 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15400 @ 0.00050836 = 7.8287 BTC [+]
08:22 * adlai would calculate p-values but 'math is hard'
08:22 deedbot- [BitBet Bets Bets] 2.00000000 BTC on 'Yes' - Bitcoin Network Hits 1 Exahash - http://bitbet.us/bet/1228/bitcoin-network-hits-1-exahash/#b22
08:24 jurov http://thehardtimes.net/2016/01/11/emerging-harsh-noise-artist-revealed-as-faulty-air-conditioning-unit/ hahaha
08:24 assbot Emerging Harsh Noise Artist Revealed To Be Faulty Air Conditioning Unit - The Hard Times ... ( http://bit.ly/1KcX1ZW )
08:25 jurov "However, sources indicate future Decondtioned releases remain in doubt after Packard’s father upgraded the garage air conditioner to a brand new Amana “Whisper Quiet” unit."
08:27 deedbot- [BitBet Bets Bets] 1.29182984 BTC on 'No' - Bitcoin to top $600 before Jul 2016 - http://bitbet.us/bet/1232/bitcoin-to-top-600-before-jul-2016/#b17
08:35 ben_vulpes mircea_popescu: rip chetty?!
08:35 mircea_popescu myeah.
08:35 ben_vulpes alas.
08:37 jurov mircea_popescu: chetty was on second timisoara meeting, too?
08:37 shinohai !s http://www.v3.co.uk/v3-uk/news/2441666/blackberry-pgp-handsets-cracked-by-dutch-cyber-cops
08:37 assbot BlackBerry PGP handsets 'cracked' by Dutch cyber cops - IT News from V3.co.uk ... ( http://bit.ly/1Rlw6mk )
08:37 assbot 0 results for 'http://www.v3.co.uk/v3-uk/news/2441666/blackberry-pgp-handsets-cracked-by-dutch-cyber-cops' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.v3.co.uk%2Fv3-uk%2Fnews%2F2441666%2Fblackberry-pgp-handsets-cracked-by-dutch-cyber-cops
08:38 mircea_popescu jurov im pretty sure she showed up at least for some of the stuff.
08:39 jurov because i'm sure i have missed eulora demo (again due to later arrival)
08:39 mircea_popescu ah
08:39 mircea_popescu but i recall us two discussing wao, for instance.
08:40 jurov um, that is possible
08:40 mircea_popescu an' therefore you must've met.
08:50 mircea_popescu "I was fired. Sometimes you find it hard just not to cry. (Said employer purged its 20% insubordinate, belligerent, ingenious, and flat-out insane employees. What remained was loyal to a fault, perfect in execution, possessed of fine silk neckties, and unemployed 18 months later when the whole company folded.)"
08:50 mircea_popescu lol hard to not appreciate teh mazepath.
08:52 deedbot- [BitBet Bets Bets] 1.89167341 BTC on 'No' - Bitcoin to top $700 before Apr 2016 - http://bitbet.us/bet/1236/bitcoin-to-top-700-before-apr-2016/#b31
09:02 mircea_popescu "Al, you simply must call Althea Frutex at Glanders, Associates. I FAXed her your resume and she practically jumped through the phone with enthusiasm."
09:02 mircea_popescu "This is Dr. Frutex. Yes, I heard about you! Tell me, how would you generate a microdispersion of sodium diaminodihydroxyarsenobenzenemethanesulfonate in a linear hydrophobic matrix synthesized below its glass transition temperature?"
09:02 mircea_popescu "That should not be difficult. Use attrition technology developed for cobalt-cemented tungsten carbide and substitute about 10 mole-% of high molecular weight PVK to adsorb upon the micaceous platelet crystal surfaces. Thus when you add the dispersed phase to a pre-polymer syrup of about 50,000 centistokes viscosity, non-Fickian Type II diffusion will volumetrically plasticize the adsorbate preventing particle agglomer
09:02 mircea_popescu ation."
09:02 mircea_popescu "Why Mr. Schwartz, that is brilliant! We have no staff positions open at this time, but we will certainly try your idea."
09:02 mircea_popescu ahahaha
09:02 mircea_popescu asciilifeform ! why is this guy not here!
09:02 mircea_popescu WHAT IS WITH PEOPLE!
09:03 mircea_popescu the difference between the kids of today and the kids of back when it was worth meeting new kids... s/lfkdjgkjlewrhgkerhklgj/diaminodihydroxyarsenobenzenemethanesulfonate/
09:03 mircea_popescu guy actually knows wtf he's talking about.
09:07 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8100 @ 0.00050836 = 4.1177 BTC [+]
09:16 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18600 @ 0.00050212 = 9.3394 BTC [-] {5}
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09:47 deedbot- [BitBet Bets Bets] 2.00000000 BTC on 'Yes' - Donald Trump gets Republican Nomination - http://bitbet.us/bet/1206/donald-trump-gets-republican-nomination/#b67
09:51 shinohai http://thenextweb.com/us/2016/01/13/us-intelligence-boss-james-clappers-phone-and-personal-email-were-hacked/ <<< cracka strikes again
09:51 assbot US intelligence boss phone and personal email were hacked ... ( http://bit.ly/1SOwHfU )
09:56 deedbot- [BitBet Bets Bets] 2.00000000 BTC on 'Yes' - Bitcoin main net block size to increase before July 2016 - http://bitbet.us/bet/1217/bitcoin-main-net-block-size-to-increase-before/#b8
10:08 thestringpuller asciilifeform off to spend every waking hour away from anything he cares about to make things he wouldn't use on a broken platform... << i'm going to use this to define "uranium mines" to people
10:19 thestringpuller ;;nethash
10:19 gribble 886485320.427
10:29 thestringpuller ;;calc ( (416666666.667 / 1000 / 1000) / 4.6 ) * 1800
10:29 gribble 163043.478261
10:29 thestringpuller ;;ticker
10:29 gribble Bitfinex BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 428.76, Best ask: 428.95, Bid-ask spread: 0.19000, Last trade: 428.95, 24 hour volume: 40576.26464751, 24 hour low: 416.0, 24 hour high: 448.1, 24 hour vwap: None
10:29 thestringpuller ;;calc 163043.478261 / 428.76
10:29 gribble 380.267464924
10:29 thestringpuller ^- estimated btc for 0.5% of hashpower
10:42 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11090 @ 0.00050836 = 5.6377 BTC [+]
10:48 thestringpuller however it looks like no new miner could break even at current prices. (Break even in: infinity days)
10:56 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3100 @ 0.00050836 = 1.5759 BTC [+]
11:09 mircea_popescu retail is for suckers.
11:09 mircea_popescu "The scientist who receives a percentage of the profits - a percentage of the gross! - generated by his own work has yet to be born, hired, or envisioned (ecept as the punchline of a joke)." << heh, alf's been making 70% of the gross for years now.
11:13 mircea_popescu !up ascii_butugychag
11:13 ascii_butugychag http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-01-2016#1369206 << l0l, he did say 'as the punchline..' !11
11:13 assbot Logged on 13-01-2016 16:09:36; mircea_popescu: "The scientist who receives a percentage of the profits - a percentage of the gross! - generated by his own work has yet to be born, hired, or envisioned (ecept as the punchline of a joke)." << heh, alf's been making 70% of the gross for years now.
11:14 mircea_popescu ...
11:14 mircea_popescu you'll have to decide if you want those salesmen networking or not.
11:15 mircea_popescu what's with all these confused broads posing for dating site profile pics WITH THEIR MOTHER.
11:16 mircea_popescu insufficiently humiliated girlhood births monsters.
11:19 ascii_butugychag http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-01-2016#1369182 << he eventually wrote back, promised to generate pgp key, when finds the time...
11:19 assbot Logged on 13-01-2016 14:02:14; mircea_popescu: asciilifeform ! why is this guy not here!
11:19 ascii_butugychag i think he took a look at the logs and was not able to readily distinguish us from the chirp of the frogs.
11:19 ascii_butugychag a problem i had when first showed up, like, i suspect, many folk
11:20 mircea_popescu i guess so, huh.
11:20 ascii_butugychag as, possibly, taleb, et al
11:20 mircea_popescu "this, too, shall pass."
11:20 ascii_butugychag old timers are especially allergic to real-time anything
11:20 ascii_butugychag i was sorta on the cusp of this.
11:21 mircea_popescu "Uncle Al's next first job, four years later, was industrial. Uncle Al was to isolate kerogen (the "not anything like oil") in Colorado oil shale (a calcareous marlstone, not shale). Low rank coal organics are like cured epoxy. They ain't comin' out. The literature was rife with researchers who tortured oil shale then sang like vultures about presumed stuff extracted. Uncle Al dissolved the rock to leave the kerogen. (
11:21 mircea_popescu "Orthogonal reactivity" to folks in lab coats, "idiot idea" to idiots in suits.) It was his first Personnel file Pink sheet! He wasn't supposed to succeed."
11:21 mircea_popescu reads like the fucking soviets.
11:21 mircea_popescu this isn't really real-time. this is "alligned apperture time".
11:21 mircea_popescu or rather, allignable.
11:21 ascii_butugychag and yes, it shall pass, and with it shall pass the last folks who know how to generate a microdispersion of sodium diaminodihydroxyarsenobenzenemethanesulfonate...
11:23 mircea_popescu "The next first job was creating ophthalmic implants. How is a 5 micron diameter hole drilled through 500 microns of implantable Plexiglas contact lens? It isn't. Nothing can drill such a 100:1 aspect ratio hole. Uncle Al put about 500 7 micron diameter holes through a foot-long Plexiglas rod, the long way, and said "dice it." Holes are a stuff problem, science: vacuum cast glass wool in plastic, dice, then dissolve ou
11:23 mircea_popescu t with aqueous NH4HF2. Engineering diddles things: computers, excimer lasers, and business lunches. It was a Pink solution."
11:23 mircea_popescu ok this is what sheer genius is.
11:23 mircea_popescu "turn the fucking spoon around, idjits"
11:24 ascii_butugychag its straight out of altshuller's book
11:24 ascii_butugychag i once sent al a scan, he appreciated.
11:24 ascii_butugychag !s suddenly the inventor
11:24 assbot 5 results for 'suddenly the inventor' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=suddenly+the+inventor
11:24 ascii_butugychag thing had whole chapter on inversions
11:28 mircea_popescu inversion being possibly the most important intellectual activity.
11:28 mircea_popescu half the time when someone talking to me here suddenly gets that sinking feeling in his gut and rug flies out from under feet, what had just happened was precisely an inversion.
11:29 mircea_popescu the other possibly most important intellectual activity is ironically ALSO displayed in the piece : classification
11:29 mircea_popescu "this is a that. that is a this. stop mixing this and that idjits!"
11:30 ascii_butugychag 'suddenly the inventor appeared' is the only actually worthwhile book on heuristics i know of.
11:30 ascii_butugychag i was given it as a small child
11:39 mircea_popescu having run some math... i suspect he is actually correct in the absolute. ie, nothing can for physical reasons drill 5 micron holes in half micrometer lens.
11:40 mircea_popescu make it a few mm squared and you can etch, yes. but...
11:40 ascii_butugychag this is well-known
11:41 ascii_butugychag which is why, e.g., syringe needles, are drawn
11:41 mircea_popescu well im not in fine mfging what can i sya
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11:51 mircea_popescu Do opposite shoes vacuum free fall nonidentically? << they do, actually.
11:52 mircea_popescu difference in angular gravitational momentum
11:52 mircea_popescu i suppose by "vacuum" one might mean "in the book universe where mass exists in points etc".
11:54 mircea_popescu !up ascii_butugychag
11:54 ascii_butugychag mircea_popescu: this was the eotvos thing
11:54 ascii_butugychag !s eotvos
11:54 assbot 21 results for 'eotvos' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=eotvos
11:54 mircea_popescu meanwhile i noticed the image aha
11:59 deedbot- [Qntra] Mining Difficulty Already Up 9.12% This Year - http://qntra.net/2016/01/mining-difficulty-already-up-9-12-this-year/
11:59 BingoBoingo <copypaste> Cryptsy just published a notice that it's been hacked on all pages https://archive.is/hxGqy << Scammer's don't get to pick their narrative
11:59 assbot Cryptsy - Trade Home ... ( http://bit.ly/1Oqol8X )
12:06 mircea_popescu "Economists do the economy as psychologists do the mind. A watershed of data is statistically manipulated. Miserably intricate deeply parameterized speculative theory is fit to data, protected from criticism by complexity. Extrapolations are made. Official predictions are absurd versus observed reality. Economists scream "heteroskedasticity!" and demand multi-$trillion Federal bailouts. Psychologists disdain irrelevanc
12:06 mircea_popescu e in a discipline that is self-defined relevant."
12:06 mircea_popescu myeah. the "global warming" bullshit is merely the more visible application of an otherwise historical pseudoscientific process
12:07 mircea_popescu !up paparazzi
12:09 paparazzi hello
12:09 paparazzi !up
12:10 thestringpuller !gettrust paparazzi
12:10 assbot paparazzi is not registered in WoT.
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12:11 ascii_butugychag mircea_popescu: arguably same process as lysenko
12:11 paparazzi I am still confused
12:11 ascii_butugychag (and not, as often supposed, medieval theology - as it did not have totalitarian apparatus attached)
12:11 mircea_popescu hardly. lysenko had... passion. these twerps just talk about it.
12:12 ascii_butugychag the 1960s enviro-whiners who started the current wave, also had 'passion'
12:12 mircea_popescu incidentally, anyone saw "the witches of eastwick" ? yet another of nicholson's signature porn stuff.
12:12 ascii_butugychag modern enforcers do not, and need not
12:13 mircea_popescu the man started in "the raven" and has been doing the same thing ever since : playing the devilishly dangerous lone male in a world of boring, twaddled middle aged women.
12:14 mircea_popescu goes nicely with the valium for the worthless female subculture of the 80s. sort-of like stoner movies, for a different holstein.
12:14 trinque paparazzi: http://wiki.bitcoin-assets.com/first_steps_in_bitcoin-assets
12:14 assbot first_steps_in_bitcoin-assets [bitcoin assets wiki] ... ( http://bit.ly/1J73Z7o )
12:16 mircea_popescu "Thermodynamics proposes, kinetics disposes." ahahaha lovely put.
12:17 ascii_butugychag 'first ecstacy - then laundry.' -- also al
12:17 mircea_popescu nah that's much older.
12:17 mircea_popescu incidentally, you read this bit with the crystals ? behold!
12:17 mircea_popescu "Memory cannot be found because it is not localized, nor does it exist as such. One felicitous memory model is the amorphous glassy metal alloy Ce3Al. Melt-spun alloy passes all local and global tests (HRTEM, ED, XRD, 2D XRD) for random order. Load a diamond anvil cell with a 50x40x15 micron3 sample. At 3,539,000 psi it remains amorphous. At 3,626,000 psi it is a single crystal. Science 332(6036) 1404 (2011), "Long-ran
12:17 mircea_popescu ge topological order in metallic glasses."
12:17 mircea_popescu Devitrifying a glass into crystals is wholly unremarkable. Given the opportunity, solids will descend into their lowest energy state at equilibrium - a crystal. This offers large families of glass-ceramic wonder materials, plus sporadic glassblower loud profanity. That glasses exist at all is also unremarkable. Thermodynamics proposes, kinetics disposes. The problem is scale.
12:17 mircea_popescu Atomic bonding does its thing at a scale of angstrom lengths. A 50x40x15 micron sample is (5x105)x(4x105)x(1.5x105) angstroms3 or 3x1016 Å3. How does random structure spontaneously quickly order in a discontinuous transition to sharp diffraction lines (XRD) and spots (2D XRD), with such mammoth amplification? There is no global information! Thermal devitrification at 200°C affords a hexagonal symmetry finely polycrys
12:17 mircea_popescu talline product not a face-centered cubic single crystal.
12:17 mircea_popescu The noise that was observed as random structure was not itself random. It contained topological order, a universal scale-free recipe for fitting together. Supercomputer simulation of 24,000 cerium atoms plus 8000 aluminum atoms with or without the topological footnote added is enlightening. Plot respective structure factors against the reciprocal space vector for each case. The curves are identical! Where is the inform
12:17 mircea_popescu ation? It is everywhere, but in no particular place."
12:17 mircea_popescu methinks the real meta-nsa might well be santa claus1
12:18 mircea_popescu have you been good alfie ?
12:18 ascii_butugychag horrid
12:18 mircea_popescu well...
12:18 ascii_butugychag !s roboclaus
12:18 assbot 0 results for 'roboclaus' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=roboclaus
12:18 ascii_butugychag ;;google roboclaus
12:18 gribble Mrazek shows off RoboClaus, Howard rocks 'ugly sweater' on great ...: <http://www.thehockeynews.com/blog/mrazek-shows-off-roboclaus-howard-rocks-ugly-sweater-on-great-holiday-masks/>; Robo Claus - Thomas Radcliffe: <http://tomradcliffeart.com/130031/1287869/portfolio/robo-claus>; Robot Santa Claus - Futurama Wiki - Wikia: <http://futurama.wikia.com/wiki/Robot_Santa_Claus>
12:18 mircea_popescu honestly, i always suspected randomness is not merely "not a property of numbers", but altogether not a thing.
12:18 mircea_popescu this is the view say danielpbarron would be held to hold anyway.
12:18 ascii_butugychag it is a thing in the sense that 'enemy' is a thing
12:19 mircea_popescu and no further sense than that.
12:19 ascii_butugychag fortunately we don't need the other senses for anything
12:19 ascii_butugychag at least ~i~ don't
12:19 mircea_popescu whoever sits closer to the rng in the sky prints all the money.
12:19 mircea_popescu at any rate this has been in fact the history of life on earth to date.
12:20 mircea_popescu "a universal scale-free recipe for fitting together" << and yet he hates obama.
12:21 ascii_butugychag l0l
12:21 mircea_popescu obviously, not altogether for the reasons the idiots who are incapable to love anything like to pretend those who could love don't.
12:22 ascii_butugychag http://tryacl2.org << unrelated, but very nifty.
12:22 ascii_butugychag ben_vulpes, adlai, phf, gabriel_laddel, et al ^
12:23 mircea_popescu takes 4eva to load
12:23 ascii_butugychag i think it just now choked
12:23 ascii_butugychag damn.
12:24 ascii_butugychag my 'midas touch'...
12:25 mircea_popescu !up ascii_butugychag
12:26 ascii_butugychag apparently amd actually started proving their alu with acl2, in reaction to the intel fdiv scandal
12:26 ascii_butugychag back in the day.
12:26 mircea_popescu yup
12:28 ascii_butugychag (note that the proofs don't need to be about a commonlisp program per se, but anything that can be expressed as one)
12:30 mircea_popescu "Genrich Altshuller, TRIZ, And Suddenly the Inventor Appeared. Orthodoxy excludes discovery. Heterodox observation falsifies assumed knowledge. Validation studies are bottle washing and button sorting. All discovery is insubordination. Management exists to kill the future, for the only trusted employee is one whose sole marketable asset is loyalty." << o look even mentions him.
12:31 mircea_popescu but the management dig is, if perhaps justified by personal experience, nevertheless on the level of "all men are pigs".
12:31 mircea_popescu what does it say of you, that only pigs wish to sleep with you ?
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12:34 mircea_popescu "Hippies' marijuana and hallucinogens had interesting outputs; slums' opiates, crack, and crystal meth less so." << yeah, because you apriorily decided you wish to fuck a hippie chick not a filipina brothel slave. that's all.
12:35 ascii_butugychag what's she output?
12:35 mircea_popescu moans. just like the other.
12:35 ascii_butugychag the other outputs also other things
12:36 mircea_popescu not so.
12:36 ascii_butugychag theorems
12:36 ascii_butugychag etc
12:36 mircea_popescu name a hippie theoremist.
12:36 ascii_butugychag or what, this only happens on my planet
12:36 mircea_popescu what, we're going to have a franklin vs baez dispute now ?
12:36 ascii_butugychag i can't name a philipina moanist, either..
12:37 mircea_popescu yes, you can, because you've seen her in jackie brown.
12:37 * ascii_butugychag hasn't
12:38 mircea_popescu what do you think pam grier did with her youth, pre tarantino travolting her career ?
12:38 * ascii_butugychag recognized only one name in this sentence, tarantino
12:38 mircea_popescu oh, not seen the big bird cage either ?
12:38 ascii_butugychag nope
12:38 mircea_popescu yes. well...
12:38 ascii_butugychag hard to do, at the bottom of a mine shaft
12:39 mircea_popescu how about "women in cages" ? guy ended up obsessed with the closing shot
12:39 ascii_butugychag nein
12:40 mircea_popescu well, they're 10 cents a pop since teh torrents, seeing how they weren't made by dosney.
12:46 phf my condolences, mp
12:49 mircea_popescu thanks.
12:49 mircea_popescu cancer taking the first bite off the lordship list, more fodder for the list of things no one could have predicted.
12:56 thestringpuller !up ascii_butugychag
13:00 * ascii_butugychag vaguely recalls an obituaty of some #b-a old-timer in... 2012 ?
13:00 ascii_butugychag *obituary
13:00 ascii_butugychag somebody from the old era
13:04 BingoBoingo First woman on the internet's already gone, to cancer of all things.
13:10 ascii_butugychag what just happened ?
13:12 BingoBoingo !up X16a
13:12 BingoBoingo No idea. buch of K-lines
13:18 copypaste ascii_butugychag: looks like some IRCop accidentally K-lined all of IRCCloud
13:19 copypaste Which is a web service that allows people to connect to IRC, similar to CGI:IRC and qwebirc
13:19 copypaste But IRCCloud comes with USG spying and allows you to idle.
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13:49 mats copypaste: yes but did you see irccloud evade my kline?
13:53 mats i didn't expect my client to do that.
13:55 copypaste mats: I'm of the opinion that any service that offers to idle on IRC for you exists for the sole purpose of spying on you
13:56 copypaste And in the case of IRCCloud, is probably a USG front. So of course connecting at all costs is important.
13:56 copypaste (It's also possible that the IRCop made a mistake and removed the KLine.)
13:57 mats irc surveillance is very low on my list of priorities
13:58 copypaste What's low on your list of priorities is probably high on your government's
13:58 mats good
13:58 adlai freenode exists for the purpose of spying, what more do you need?
13:58 copypaste ^
13:59 mats I hope the agents will enjoy reading years of trolling and arguments about trivial shit
13:59 adlai "if it's not encrypted, it's public" is an excellent way to treat anything (even off the internet)
13:59 copypaste Well, if that's all you do on IRC you're using it wrong
13:59 copypaste I've conducted deals worth tens of thousands of dollars on IRC
13:59 copypaste So speak for yourself.
14:00 mats I mostly use it to connect to freenode graybeards
14:00 adlai copypaste: do you also sell btc while waiting in line at starbucks?
14:00 copypaste hahaha, no. I don't drink that crap.
14:00 adlai or maybe at least get a table
14:00 copypaste I imagine most of us conduct or have conducted business on IRC
14:01 adlai !s dpaste.org
14:01 assbot 0 results for 'dpaste.org' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=dpaste.org
14:01 mats can pass gpg messages, sir
14:01 * adlai apparently can't, oh well
14:01 mats like folks do, with dpaste
14:02 adlai if you're worried about metadata, encrypt your trolling or start a shill or two, it pays for itself in elizatherapy
14:05 phf irc messages go over a loose knit federated system that's entirely outside of your control. even if you do dcc it's plaintext on the wire
14:06 phf copypaste: the fact that your "tens of thousands of dollars" deals have not been compromised is entirely due to "uncatchable joe" factor. is russian joke, "this there is uncatchable joe. -- woah, nobody can catch him? -- no, nobody cares to"
14:12 copypaste phf: :D
14:12 copypaste O
14:12 copypaste I'm not saying they were illegal, was just demonstrating that IRC isn't just for trolling
14:19 shinohai ;;later tell BingoBoingo #VanillaISIS goes actual ISIS: http://www.rawstory.com/2016/01/isis-supporter-joins-ammon-bundys-armed-occupation-as-resident-computer-expert/
14:19 assbot ISIS supporter joins Ammon Bundy’s armed occupation as resident computer expert ... ( http://bit.ly/22ZRB01 )
14:19 gribble The operation succeeded.
14:21 adlai shinohai: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=18-12-2015#1346910
14:21 assbot Logged on 18-12-2015 22:48:39; BingoBoingo: ;;later tell adlai too late. If you want a beat you can't just mention diff increase in chan without dropping an encrypted dpaste full of qntra submission.
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15:43 thestringpuller !up Quent
15:44 Quent thanks - looks like la serene republic finds itself between a rock and a hard place
15:44 Quent 2mb fork one one hand SW on the other
15:44 thestringpuller you can always choose C. the world isn't necessarily always binary.
15:44 Quent will you go for cover which allows you independence? or visibility which means certain invasion?
15:45 thestringpuller this is all in the logs.
15:45 Quent it is very binary unfortunately, in this space anyway
15:45 Quent you see what theymos is doing - you see what centralisation does
15:45 Quent all that applies to the real world...
15:46 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14300 @ 0.00050004 = 7.1506 BTC [+] {3}
15:46 thestringpuller Theymos is a known scammer.
15:46 thestringpuller !gettrust assbot theymos
15:46 assbot Trust relationship from user assbot to user theymos: Level 1: 0, Level 2: -1 via 1 connections. |http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/trust/?from=assbot&to=theymos | http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/user/theymos/
15:46 Quent my point is the masters of real world can bring their hammer down
15:47 Quent if we dont play smart
15:47 Quent they did it to 3-gol or whatever it was
15:47 Quent e-gold*
15:47 Quent you kids can say your shit in your corners
15:47 thestringpuller !gettrust Quent
15:47 assbot Quent is not registered in WoT.
15:47 Quent but without the grown ups covering your shit......
15:48 Quent you become exposed
15:48 thestringpuller you aren't even in WoT
15:48 Quent that's what some are agitating for
15:48 Quent and provoking
15:48 Quent they want the, from the masses view, extrimists to prevail...
15:48 Quent so that the whole thing can be dismissed
15:48 Quent we offer cover for your little corner
15:49 Quent thats realism kids
15:49 thestringpuller okay how about you lurk some more >> http://trilema.com/2014/interacting-with-fiat-institutions-a-guide/ when you do come back and discuss
15:51 Quent nah, I've said too much already
15:51 Quent your choice
15:51 Quent oh... well... you hardly have a choice to make lol
16:04 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8760 @ 0.00049812 = 4.3635 BTC [-] {4}
16:05 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6640 @ 0.00049626 = 3.2952 BTC [-]
16:07 trinque "that's what 'some' are"
16:07 trinque "I've said too much"
16:07 trinque wtf is this, an action movie?
16:08 trinque Quent: why did the masters of the universe permit you to divulge such privileged information?
16:08 trinque WHO SENT YOU. WHOOOO
16:08 Quent lmao
16:09 Quent good to see the paranoid head pops up first ahaha
16:09 Quent omg he *could* be an alien ahaha
16:09 Quent anyway
16:09 Quent I have a suggestion
16:09 Quent how about you guys stay out of this?
16:09 Quent you in between a rock and a hardplace
16:09 Quent no choice you can make is good
16:09 Quent so...
16:10 trinque !down Quent
16:21 shinohai da fuq? lol
16:23 shinohai yess sah massa Quentin, we gon' stay out of it.
16:24 thestringpuller guy is worse than mr. spam.
16:26 shinohai Heh France. And he comes asking #b-a to surrender .....
16:30 thestringpuller I'm actually in favor of them attempting a hard fork cause it provides war profiteering opportunities.
16:31 shinohai ^
16:33 thestringpuller then the guy goes off in PM how trinque censored him, when literally none of the lines he said had any value. it's like a hobo wandering in talking craziness...
16:36 shinohai Must be e reddit person if he cries censorship. Those are the only ppl I know that do.
16:41 trinque "just wants to" feel important
16:45 thestringpuller that's how jgarzik amounted to not much at all. at least at red hat he was doing _something_
16:45 thestringpuller now all he does is posts on twitter and jumps from startup to startup
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17:14 BingoBoingo !up ThomasV
17:20 jurov accept the unspecified protection of our nebulous entity or else!
17:25 jurov ummm... between cock and hard place
17:32 BingoBoingo What was that trilema about the cock eating rock?
17:33 shinohai ;;gettrust lrvick
17:33 gribble WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user shinohai to user lrvick: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=shinohai&dest=lrvick | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=lrvick | Rated since: Mon Jun 27 14:19:15 2011
17:38 deedbot- [Qntra] Coindesk Acquired By Silbert Group - http://qntra.net/2016/01/coindesk-acquired-by-silbert-group/
17:38 BingoBoingo ;;later tell mircea_popescu ^ winning
17:38 gribble The operation succeeded.
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18:35 hdbuck https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=195.msg1613#msg1613
18:35 assbot Transactions and Scripts: DUP HASH160 ... EQUALVERIFY CHECKSIG ... ( http://bit.ly/201aTzK )
18:38 hdbuck for the records.
18:40 mircea_popescu hdbuck aha.
18:41 mircea_popescu but this was back before.
18:45 mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-01-2016#1369354 << who was this ?
18:45 assbot Logged on 13-01-2016 18:00:55; ascii_butugychag: somebody from the old era
18:47 mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-01-2016#1369382 << standard here seems to be dpaste, actually.
18:47 assbot Logged on 13-01-2016 19:00:44; copypaste: I imagine most of us conduct or have conducted business on IRC
18:48 mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-01-2016#1369389 << this is both why this channel is logged publicly and why the whole "oh herp derp published logs are unexpected" bloviation of EVERY OTHER irc channel is so funny.
18:48 assbot Logged on 13-01-2016 19:05:14; phf: irc messages go over a loose knit federated system that's entirely outside of your control. even if you do dcc it's plaintext on the wire
18:49 mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-01-2016#1369395 << wtf is this, for alfie, with love ? :D
18:49 assbot Logged on 13-01-2016 19:19:54; assbot: ISIS supporter joins Ammon Bundy’s armed occupation as resident computer expert ... ( http://bit.ly/22ZRB01 )
18:50 mircea_popescu thestringpuller wouldja stop upping this quent derp already. it's like reading vexual-on-stupid-drugs.
18:52 thestringpuller yea. my b. i'm too nice.
18:53 mircea_popescu dat feeling when random idiot used to derp in trilema comments FIVE YEARS AGO comes back. same ip. same derpage. time stood still.
18:53 mircea_popescu how do they do this ?
18:54 mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-01-2016#1369468 << lol. all paper deal, too, i bet.
18:54 assbot Logged on 13-01-2016 22:38:14; deedbot-: [Qntra] Coindesk Acquired By Silbert Group - http://qntra.net/2016/01/coindesk-acquired-by-silbert-group/
18:55 mircea_popescu hey "coinbase" - most LOSERS manage a better acquihire after FIVE YEARS. grow beards already, start entertaining at the metro let out.
18:57 mircea_popescu so hanbot is working out. she's on one of those balls. i go "hey... silbert picks up coinbase in all-paper acquihire". she starts laughing. she can't stop laughing. eventually she lets out "that entire work-out... just warm-up for this laugh."
18:59 kakobrekla you mean coindesk
19:01 kakobrekla also unrelated, ex asseteer wences is now on board of director as paypal it seems
19:01 kakobrekla at paypal*
19:05 mircea_popescu aww, no more xapo is going to revolutionize and things ?
19:05 mircea_popescu kakobrekla oh wait, different coin-derps ? a well. there goes a good laugh.
19:06 mircea_popescu NO PHOTON LEFT BEHIND!
19:06 mircea_popescu "A Proposal for Correcting Social Inequities Intrinsic to the Drunkard's Walk: No Photon Left Behind"
19:06 mircea_popescu Classical physics demands certainty. Quantum mechanics demands probability. Diversity demands one more turn of the screw - nullity. We cannot allow the impositions of society to crush the aspirations of culture. Those who are empirically materially productive steal wealth from those who pursue transient hedonistic objectively valueless personal agendas. Diversity is admission for reason of disqualification. Ill-gotten
19:06 mircea_popescu gains from focused efforts must be confiscated by higher authority and distributed to the deserving, less user fees.
19:06 mircea_popescu dis dude....
19:06 mircea_popescu BingoBoingo have you read uncleal btw ? you gotta read uncleal.
19:06 kakobrekla coindesk = 'news site' , coinbase = 'exchange'
19:06 mircea_popescu aha.
19:07 BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: I prolly need to read moar Uncle Al, so far barely touched the stuff. Most of today's time was spent capping wires and Moar Batteries.
19:07 mircea_popescu lol making the bombs ?
19:08 mircea_popescu anyway, hearthily recommended, should prolly be on the "introductory reading materials" for new and aspiring qntra editors.
19:08 BingoBoingo Nah, Just getting myself to a solid two or so hour uptime with storm season approaching.
19:08 BingoBoingo And capping wires because why should outlets and switches to nowhere need power?
19:09 mircea_popescu dja have one of those gasoline generators or "not-available-in-2nd-best-korea" ?
19:09 BingoBoingo gasoline generator is a loud theftmagnet
19:10 mircea_popescu http://www.mazepath.com/uncleal/photons.htm << this thing's a fucking riot. "photon of color" totally makes the whole piece.
19:10 assbot NO PHOTON LEFT BEHIND! ... ( http://bit.ly/1OrWk0B )
19:10 mircea_popescu BingoBoingo you can always bury it.
19:10 BingoBoingo Anysort of actual generation capacity is waiting for wizard tower.
19:10 mircea_popescu (not completely, needs air, but pretty well nevertheless)
19:11 BingoBoingo I've see buried natural gas, uncle has one.
19:12 BingoBoingo For wizard tower looking to do PV and FeNi batteries when the time comes. Until then just doing the off the shelf UPS deal.
19:13 mircea_popescu also works.
19:13 pete_dushenski mod6: you around ?
19:14 pete_dushenski http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-01-2016#1369180 << heh. why the hell not, y'know ?
19:14 assbot Logged on 13-01-2016 14:02:09; mircea_popescu: "Why Mr. Schwartz, that is brilliant! We have no staff positions open at this time, but we will certainly try your idea."
19:14 * BingoBoingo also spied cheap dedi box on clearance will set up trb node on linux when datacenter gets back to me about paying them.
19:14 mircea_popescu because of the very obvious danger this approach poses, pete_dushenski
19:15 mircea_popescu it's the equivalent of a bug going "oh hey, there's some food here. how come ? i didn't put it there ? well... i guess i'll just have some,w hat's the worst that can happen".
19:15 mircea_popescu if the company you manage behaves as an approximation of a cockroach, your wife needs a divorce.
19:15 pete_dushenski *squish*
19:16 pete_dushenski or "this tastes kinda like poi...."
19:16 mircea_popescu and you need 100% of your production redirected away from you, through taxes, spousal support and any and all other available avenues. because omfg.
19:18 pete_dushenski it's really only an approach for companies spending someone else's money
19:19 pete_dushenski http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-01-2016#1369219 << i can definitely see b-a being too fast for herr t.
19:19 assbot Logged on 13-01-2016 16:20:20; ascii_butugychag: as, possibly, taleb, et al
19:19 mircea_popescu "wavelength as a second parameter photons" ahahahaha omfg.
19:20 pete_dushenski this is, recall, the guy who shows up to coffee dates sometimes ~hours~ early, just so he isn't late.
19:21 mircea_popescu lol
19:23 pete_dushenski http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-01-2016#1369296 <--> http://www.contravex.com/2015/12/27/she-santa-brings-toys-robo-reindeer-bring-the-pain/
19:23 assbot Logged on 13-01-2016 17:18:22; ascii_butugychag: !s roboclaus
19:23 assbot She-santa brings the presents, robo-reindeer bring the pain. | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/1OrX4ms )
19:24 pete_dushenski it's the reindeer that were robo
19:24 pete_dushenski no homo
19:25 mircea_popescu !up guest21333
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19:48 BingoBoingo So, why is the v mirror so behind on patches?
19:48 BingoBoingo The coolest latest stuff seems to have not sync'd
19:52 mod6 <+pete_dushenski> mod6: you around ? << yup
20:04 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13058 @ 0.00050094 = 6.5413 BTC [+]
20:04 shinohai @ BingoBoingo I still wound up patching manually :/
20:05 BingoBoingo I'm closer to getting it to work
20:05 mod6 <+BingoBoingo> The coolest latest stuff seems to have not sync'd << because the two latest ones haven't been read or tested by me yet.
20:06 mircea_popescu in general people should be able to make their own decision based on keys, rather than pile up on you to review neh ?
20:06 mod6 you should be able to drop those patches into your patches directory for V, and then also put the seals in your seals dir -- once that's complete doing `./v.pl f` should show you a flow with those patches in there with 'asciilifeform' as the signatory.
20:07 mod6 after this, you should be able to press out a new trb that includes the latest patches, then build from there.
20:07 BingoBoingo So do I need to unpack a source Bitcoin tarball anywhere special?
20:08 mod6 <+mircea_popescu> in general people should be able to make their own decision based on keys, rather than pile up on you to review neh ? << i don't see a problem with doing it this way.
20:08 mod6 i can throw those in there. just a moment
20:08 shinohai I got as far as pressing, but code doesnt change mod6 :/
20:09 mod6 were the new patches included in your 'flow' output?
20:13 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24000 @ 0.00050933 = 12.2239 BTC [+] {2}
20:14 BingoBoingo first press seems fine
20:15 BingoBoingo Also what if you want to press 3 heads at same time?
20:15 mod6 it does a single head.
20:16 BingoBoingo So do you press head, press other head, etc or something else
20:16 mod6 ok those two latest patches and their corresponding seals from asciilifeform are in the mirror.
20:16 mod6 you should be able to sync the whole thing now and get those ones as well.
20:16 BingoBoingo k
20:16 mod6 <+BingoBoingo> So do you press head, press other head, etc or something else << no, you can just up through a given vpatch in the flow.
20:17 mod6 *press up
20:17 BingoBoingo But I mean to get the next head do you just repeat pressing with a different head or???
20:19 BingoBoingo So if there are three heads I want I'd press 3 times
20:19 mod6 just one press at a time. choose a new output dir to ensure clean press.
20:19 BingoBoingo k
20:19 mod6 <+BingoBoingo> So if there are three heads I want I'd press 3 times << no should just be able to choose the last one in the flow output
20:20 mod6 then it should press all that come before it.
20:20 BingoBoingo There is no single last one. There's 3 last ones.
20:20 mod6 im about to do this, just a sec.
20:21 BingoBoingo AH, I was doing leaves, not flow
20:21 BingoBoingo my bad
20:22 BingoBoingo !up ascii_butugychag
20:22 BingoBoingo Ok, I've got a everything
20:22 ascii_butugychag http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-01-2016#1369493 << turned loooong ago
20:22 assbot Logged on 14-01-2016 00:01:18; kakobrekla: also unrelated, ex asseteer wences is now on board of director as paypal it seems
20:23 ascii_butugychag http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-01-2016#1369531 <<<<<<
20:23 assbot Logged on 14-01-2016 00:19:11; pete_dushenski: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-01-2016#1369219 << i can definitely see b-a being too fast for herr t.
20:24 mircea_popescu this, unfortunately, is unfixable.
20:24 ascii_butugychag rather http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-01-2016#1369530
20:24 assbot Logged on 14-01-2016 00:18:25; pete_dushenski: it's really only an approach for companies spending someone else's money
20:24 mircea_popescu it is easy for the young to ignore the outright heroic accomplishment that it is for say 60yos to just keep track of this mess.
20:24 ascii_butugychag brb train
20:25 mircea_popescu but... one time you'll be 60, and you'll have the opportunity to pick up teenaged chicks off the street. and you'll try, i'm sure, and manage, i'm sure. right ?
20:25 pete_dushenski obligatory re: wences : http://www.contravex.com/2015/07/21/wences-whacked-xapo-zapped/
20:25 assbot Wences whacked, Xapo zapped. | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/1RNOkvt )
20:25 mod6 BingoBoingo: http://dpaste.com/1MP1W10.txt & for future ref.
20:25 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1RNOhzT )
20:26 pete_dushenski "Wences: Okay, I agree with that, friend ; I don’t want to offend you, so I am going to use my mom as an example." << can you spot the three tell-tale scammer hooks here ?
20:27 mod6 shinohai: see if you can get the same as me ^^ (see dpaste)
20:34 BingoBoingo ty mod6
20:36 BingoBoingo !up ascii_butugychag
20:36 ascii_butugychag http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-01-2016#1369453 << lol11!!
20:36 assbot Logged on 13-01-2016 21:26:30; shinohai: Heh France. And he comes asking #b-a to surrender .....
20:40 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17100 @ 0.0005003 = 8.5551 BTC [-] {3}
20:40 mod6 <+BingoBoingo> ty mod6 << np. good questions.
20:40 mircea_popescu funny how nobody in france and generally in the "nordic model" train of euro-socialistoid train wants to remember how, by and large, french society was either supportive or indifferent of the nazis, and how "la resistance" maps almost exactly on what today would be "extreme righyt wing extremism", and how de gaulle, the exact equivalent of say arafat, got to re-write history into some delusional "all france stood behin
20:40 mircea_popescu d us" chiefly because it served the anglo puppet masters.
20:42 mircea_popescu "things better left unsaid", stuff like La France being a lot more a creation of militant, government-bombing activism than christianity. and so on.
20:44 mircea_popescu heck, modern spain was built on the rape-and-pillage of more civilised, peace loving, law abiding muslims by religious zealots.
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21:01 ben_vulpes noches
21:02 BingoBoingo !up Cristina_
21:05 ben_vulpes > CGI:IRC << til
21:10 ben_vulpes > vexual-on-stupid-drugs << ahahaha hey lissen LOOK HOW MUCH WORSE IT COULD BE
21:15 asciilifeform so i didn't finish, train went in tunnel,
21:15 asciilifeform re: surrender,
21:15 asciilifeform what would that ~look~ like ??!
21:15 asciilifeform is there a magic door to surrender into ?
21:15 ben_vulpes asciilifeform: computes on commute?
21:15 ben_vulpes now /that/ is luxury
21:15 asciilifeform ben_vulpes: aha why the fuq not
21:16 asciilifeform it's an hour+ of train
21:16 asciilifeform don't they have gsm modems in the zimbabwe where you live ?
21:16 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20644 @ 0.0005036 = 10.3963 BTC [+]
21:16 asciilifeform (in my zimbabwe we do, but tunnels have spotty reception)
21:16 ben_vulpes i have yet to build the partial-differential-equable-actuator-standing-on-ball to haul computer along on the walk to the office
21:17 asciilifeform l0l
21:17 asciilifeform why does ben_vulpes even need to ~go~ to his office
21:17 ben_vulpes http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=13-01-2016#1369104
21:17 assbot Logged on 13-01-2016 12:44:21; ben_vulpes: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-01-2016#1368052 << plant foreman generally works...at plant
21:17 asciilifeform buy one of those robots with camera and lcd ?
21:17 ben_vulpes youthful architectural mistakes on one hand
21:18 asciilifeform the kind that rolls around
21:18 ben_vulpes asciilifeform: i actually enjoy my carbon units
21:18 asciilifeform staff consists of pretty gurlz ? hm ok
21:18 ben_vulpes you've seen the handwritings
21:18 asciilifeform aha
21:18 asciilifeform neato
21:19 asciilifeform ben_vulpes makes women program ipNoje ?
21:19 asciilifeform what cruelty..
21:19 ben_vulpes make nothing, no more than mircea_popescu makes gurlz enslave themselves to him
21:20 asciilifeform in other nyoooz,
21:20 asciilifeform http://assembly.state.ny.us/leg/?default_fld=&bn=A08093&term=2015&Summary=Y&Actions=Y&Votes=Y&Memo=Y&Text=Y
21:20 asciilifeform turns out ny is the mecca of clipperchipdom,
21:20 asciilifeform who knew.
21:20 asciilifeform 'Relates to the manufacture and sale of smartphones on and after January 1, 2016 that are capable of being decrypted and unlocked by the manufacturer or its operating system provider.'
21:20 ben_vulpes > "GREATLY EMBOLDEN ONLINE CR1M1NALZ"
21:21 asciilifeform 'Recent technological advances have the potential to greatly embolden online criminals, providing new methods for abusers to avoid detection. The United States Attorney General, the director of the Federal Bureau of Investigation, and others have severely criticized the efforts of smartphone manufacturers to keep evidence immune from lawful process. Criticism, however, is not enough. In some cases, perpetrators take advantage
21:21 asciilifeform of encryption and anonymizing technology to conceal contraband materials and disguise their locations. Andrew Weissmann, a former FBI general counsel, has publically called the use of such encryption technology outrageous. According to his analysis, even a judge's decision that there is probable cause tosuspect a crime has been committed won't get Apple or Google to help retrieve potential evidence. In essence these companies
21:21 asciilifeform are announcing to criminals, 'use this device.''
21:21 asciilifeform best of all,
21:21 asciilifeform 'Justice Department officials have said that if the new systems work as advertised, they will make it virtually impossible to solve some cases,as the companies have promised customers the equivalent of a house that can't be searched, or a car trunk that could never be opened.'
21:22 asciilifeform 2. Establishes that any smartphone manufactured after January 1, 2016 and sold or leased in New York must be capable of being decrypted by itsmanufacturer 3. Establishes the penalty to those who knowingly sell or lease smartphones that cannot be decrypted or unlocked by the manufacturer, andprovides that sellers and lessors are prohibited from passing any portion of penalty costs on to customers.
21:22 asciilifeform etc...
21:24 ben_vulpes http://dogs.shithouse.tv/
21:24 assbot dogs ... ( http://bit.ly/1PcogVP )
21:24 asciilifeform in unrelated nyooz, i just came back from a party thrown by $firm, at a kind of cryptological theme park. and one of the riddles involved a skytale.
21:24 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16946 @ 0.00050782 = 8.6055 BTC [+] {2}
21:25 asciilifeform (scytale ?)
21:27 thestringpuller asciilifeform: buy one of those robots with camera and lcd ? << we have one of those in our office that rolls around and shit. it's actually not bad, although don't see why a conference call can't suffice...
21:27 kakobrekla http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-01-2016#1369582 << https://www.goodreads.com/quotes/610831-every-social-association-that-is-not-face-to-face-is-injurious-to
21:27 assbot Logged on 14-01-2016 01:23:57; assbot: Logged on 14-01-2016 00:19:11; pete_dushenski: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-01-2016#1369219 << i can definitely see b-a being too fast for herr t.
21:28 assbot Quote by Nassim Nicholas Taleb: “Every social association that is not face-to-fa...” ... ( http://bit.ly/1PcovjN )
21:28 mircea_popescu asciilifeform wut surrender ?
21:29 mircea_popescu unrelatedly, i'm starting to be real suspicious over here about plainly observable nonliniarities in the flow of time.
21:29 mircea_popescu for instance... did you know that ~20% of women looking to hook up are 29 ?
21:30 thestringpuller ^- yea. i think >50% of women who hook up before that age end up "regretting it"
21:30 ben_vulpes that cuspy "ohmigaerd the fun times are about to be oooover" age
21:30 mircea_popescu innit.
21:30 mircea_popescu some of them don't even look 45.
21:30 thestringpuller it's amazing what a gym membership can do
21:30 assbot AMAZING COMPANY!
21:31 ben_vulpes and sleep.
21:32 mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-01-2016#1369635 << wait, it's, to quote, "your profile is very interesting, not to mention your devilish good looks" ?
21:32 assbot Logged on 14-01-2016 02:19:37; ben_vulpes: make nothing, no more than mircea_popescu makes gurlz enslave themselves to him
21:34 ben_vulpes i have farcial hair now, total game-changer
21:34 mircea_popescu " According to his analysis, even a judge's decision that there is probable cause tosuspect a crime has been committed won't" << oh no, what ever more fearsome thing than when the fiction begins to fray.
21:35 thestringpuller ben_vulpes: what level of evilness is your facial hair? >> http://i.imgur.com/PHmF5.jpg
21:37 ben_vulpes unkempt-i-haven't-had-time-to-sleep-much-less-shave-and-no-my-farcial-hair-doesn't-have-complete-coverage-yet-thank-you-very-much
21:37 ben_vulpes send help i have faulty genes
21:38 mircea_popescu you're just young!
21:38 mircea_popescu i couldn't really grow a decent beard before my 30s.
21:39 ben_vulpes "you're not a man until you can get a girl off just by tickling her with your whiskers"
21:39 mircea_popescu isn't that "you're not an alley cat until..." ?
21:39 thestringpuller i thought girls hated getting scratched by beards?
21:40 mircea_popescu but in other news : chocolate cake being in the making, i was humbly presented with spoon of ganache to lick. (yes while sitting here, ha!). and so i did and because of my beard ... the pleasant scent still floats around my nose.
21:44 ben_vulpes > scrofula
21:44 ben_vulpes I R INSULT
21:44 ben_vulpes FIGHT ME IRL UNCLE AL
21:46 ben_vulpes > and only two years remain before they will be having a layoff << work for other people, get fired by other people
21:46 ben_vulpes work for clients, get fired by clients
21:47 ben_vulpes death comes for us all
21:47 ben_vulpes pay for your gravestone today!
21:52 asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-01-2016#1369687 << i think i only paid enough for pirannhas
21:52 assbot Logged on 14-01-2016 02:47:05; ben_vulpes: pay for your gravestone today!
21:52 asciilifeform and i bet they are already hatched, somewhere.
21:53 * asciilifeform recently changed professions in a direction that probably brings them a little nearer
21:53 asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-01-2016#1369678 << pet loves scratchy
21:53 assbot Logged on 14-01-2016 02:39:41; mircea_popescu: isn't that "you're not an alley cat until..." ?
21:55 asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-01-2016#1369573 << is somebody gonna write a full 'v' treatise ?
21:55 assbot Logged on 14-01-2016 01:20:17; BingoBoingo: There is no single last one. There's 3 last ones.
21:57 asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-01-2016#1369526 << there is only one Great Cockroach, and all of these folks are merely fuzz upon its antennae.
21:57 assbot Logged on 14-01-2016 00:15:32; mircea_popescu: if the company you manage behaves as an approximation of a cockroach, your wife needs a divorce.
21:57 asciilifeform and it is an iron cockroach, and quite indifferent to poison.
21:58 asciilifeform so it loses a sub-whisker now and again. doesn't even notice.
21:58 asciilifeform grows ten more.
21:59 asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-01-2016#1369542 << there was a v mirror ?!! wut?
21:59 assbot Logged on 14-01-2016 00:48:18; BingoBoingo: So, why is the v mirror so behind on patches?
22:00 asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-01-2016#1369522 << btw, i've actually been in this comical situation, on more than one occasion
22:00 assbot Logged on 14-01-2016 00:14:23; assbot: Logged on 13-01-2016 14:02:09; mircea_popescu: "Why Mr. Schwartz, that is brilliant! We have no staff positions open at this time, but we will certainly try your idea."
22:00 BingoBoingo asciilifeform: Per the latest mod6 v script, playing with all the things
22:01 asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-01-2016#1369510 << they are ubiquitous where i live. i think literally everybody, other than flat-dwellers, has one
22:01 assbot Logged on 14-01-2016 00:09:39; mircea_popescu: dja have one of those gasoline generators or "not-available-in-2nd-best-korea" ?
22:01 asciilifeform with possible exception of folks whose gen was stolen and haven't gotten around to buying a new one yet
22:03 asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-01-2016#1369476 << somebody with an 's' name, i think... smickles ??
22:03 assbot Logged on 13-01-2016 23:45:24; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-01-2016#1369354 << who was this ?
22:03 asciilifeform ;;seen smickles
22:03 gribble smickles was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 1 year, 31 weeks, 0 days, 22 hours, 45 minutes, and 3 seconds ago: <smickles> easily a few more bil in things like BPOs and BPCs
22:03 asciilifeform maybe not
22:05 asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-01-2016#1369394 << this is what 'will is everything' looks like - a mental asylum, half full of provocateur stooges, half - of diagnosable imbeciles
22:05 assbot Logged on 13-01-2016 19:19:53; shinohai: ;;later tell BingoBoingo #VanillaISIS goes actual ISIS: http://www.rawstory.com/2016/01/isis-supporter-joins-ammon-bundys-armed-occupation-as-resident-computer-expert/
22:05 asciilifeform !s new york death ray
22:05 assbot 12 results for 'new york death ray' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=new+york+death+ray
22:06 asciilifeform if death ray man were not already in jail, he would find good company in oregon.
22:06 mod6 <+asciilifeform> http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-01-2016#1369542 << there was a v mirror ?!! wut? << the only mirror at this time is http://thebitcoin.foundation
22:06 assbot Logged on 14-01-2016 00:48:18; BingoBoingo: So, why is the v mirror so behind on patches?
22:06 assbot ..::[ The Bitcoin Foundation ]::.. ... ( http://bit.ly/1UQkfe3 )
22:06 mod6 your latest two patches & corresponding seals were added.
22:06 asciilifeform mod6: the www ?
22:06 asciilifeform or is there some rsync thing going
22:06 mod6 well, it's really http://thebitcoin.foundation/v/
22:06 assbot Index of /v ... ( http://bit.ly/1KTlXJl )
22:06 asciilifeform ah
22:07 mod6 but you don't hvae to know the subdir to make the sync work properly. you just put the root URL of the given mirror
22:07 asciilifeform ;;later tell mircea_popescu the malleus thing was a real win. nodez going strong.
22:07 gribble The operation succeeded.
22:09 mircea_popescu cool.
22:09 mod6 <+asciilifeform> http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-01-2016#1369573 << is somebody gonna write a full 'v' treatise ? << i think what we need is basically like an RFC of the thing to explain the overall concepts and baseline functions. this way anyone can implement their own V without having to parse mine, yours, or bens, or whomever.
22:09 assbot Logged on 14-01-2016 01:20:17; BingoBoingo: There is no single last one. There's 3 last ones.
22:09 mircea_popescu <ben_vulpes> FIGHT ME IRL UNCLE AL << youi have to appreciate this is before your oregon was invented
22:09 mod6 I just need to get to it. lol. lot on my plate. if anyone would like to start work on this with direction from me that'd be fine too. just let me know.
22:09 mircea_popescu (you may not know of all the 90s "urban revival" attempts that created such as modern portland etc, after a seattle blueprint)
22:12 mod6 so currently, the main thing im working on/looking at is a possible high/low-S vpatch
22:12 mircea_popescu <asciilifeform> http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-01-2016#1369526 << there is only one Great Cockroach, and all of these folks are merely fuzz upon its antennae. << it's funny how much of a judeoxtian fundamentalist you are seeing how you don't even alphabet! wouldn't something equally ridiculous like indian-whatever go better with your semiotic ideas ?
22:12 assbot Logged on 14-01-2016 00:15:32; mircea_popescu: if the company you manage behaves as an approximation of a cockroach, your wife needs a divorce.
22:13 asciilifeform mod6: it could make sense as a toggle flag
22:13 asciilifeform esp. when we finally get that mine pool
22:13 mircea_popescu mod6 basically all it needs is a test-and-substract.
22:13 mod6 was thinking that. could just have a switch for "classic" mode where you get the 50/50 action on high/low, or only low-S.
22:13 mircea_popescu (this can be tacked on at the end, the protocol is really that shitty)
22:14 asciilifeform or all-highS
22:14 asciilifeform (i still fail to grasp why we are caving to the enemy on this one)
22:14 mod6 is there a reason for only high-S ?
22:14 asciilifeform to fill our high-S-only pool, of course!111
22:14 mod6 ok, other than that?
22:14 asciilifeform can't think of for what else
22:15 asciilifeform thing is, like it or not, high-S is LEGITIMATELY bitcoin
22:15 asciilifeform just as low-S
22:15 mod6 yeup, ofc.
22:16 asciilifeform if idiot miners arbitrarily decide not to mine tx-en that are equal to 3 congruent modulo 17, what, we also will not generate these ?
22:16 mod6 but, i'd be nice to ship a bitcoinatron that actually bitcoinates without the weird shit. i'd like Mr. P. to be able to send coins without issues.
22:16 mod6 *it'd
22:17 asciilifeform to me this reads as an argument in favour of a high-S pool
22:17 asciilifeform rather than adding talmudistry to trb
22:18 asciilifeform if idiot miners disregard perfectly legit tx because it tickles gavin's sphincter,
22:18 mod6 so here's a thing -- if I make a vpatch for this, one doesn't need to build with it either. but one could, and that should resolve the issue.
22:18 asciilifeform somebody ought to be collecting those fees!
22:18 mircea_popescu asciilifeform i dun think you understand how this works.
22:18 mircea_popescu blocks aren't individual items. they are chained.
22:18 asciilifeform aha..
22:19 asciilifeform and miner gets to select ANY valid tx-en for his block
22:19 mircea_popescu there isn't a "you do yours and i do mine" thing here. IF we decide to mine as much as one single high s block, this INVALIDATES all further work of all noncompliant miners. forever.
22:19 mircea_popescu For. Ever.
22:19 mircea_popescu we currently can at any point revert to high-s, or any-s.
22:19 asciilifeform iirc nobody patched prb so that ~block~ containing high-S is invalid
22:19 mircea_popescu they can not.
22:19 asciilifeform only that they are not selected for blocks
22:19 asciilifeform or relayed
22:19 mircea_popescu yes, they did, that's what the "soft fork" debacle was all about.
22:20 asciilifeform i thought it was only the relay and selector
22:20 asciilifeform (and, naturally, tx generator)
22:20 mircea_popescu bitcoin split specificallyt because miners "voted" to approve the (non controversial, even here, see logs) patch
22:20 mircea_popescu then failed to implement it
22:20 mircea_popescu then mined a block with high-s and the whole shebang was forked for 36 hours
22:21 mircea_popescu this is why we do not give a rat;s ass about "voting", fundamentally : they already had a vote that indicated ~100% miner agreement that then had 0% actual support.
22:21 * asciilifeform digs for the prb src
22:21 mircea_popescu and incidentally - if it weren't cheaper to implement than to just forget it, IT WOULD HAVE BEEN DROPPED
22:21 mircea_popescu votes or no votes.
22:21 asciilifeform what made it cheaper ?
22:21 mircea_popescu (non controversial, even here, see logs)
22:22 mircea_popescu anyway, understand the strategic situation here. i can, at this and any future point, decide to revert this soft fork. they can not, they are committed to forever sticking to it.
22:22 mircea_popescu i'm not about to lead this ace into random trick.
22:23 mircea_popescu blockbridge!
22:23 asciilifeform if prb considers blocks after certain height containing high-S to be invalid, in what sense was the fork soft ?
22:23 asciilifeform i thought 'soft' forks were ones which ~only~ concerned relaying
22:23 mircea_popescu mno. soft forks are a narrowing of the protocol.
22:24 mircea_popescu they can be applied by convention. as the chance is still valid by everyone's rule, no changes are needed.
22:24 mircea_popescu hard forks are a change of the protocol. as the change is NOT valid by everyone's rules, it is definitionally an alt coin.
22:24 asciilifeform aha. so that would be if prb behaved as i believed it did, where it will still eat a block generated by 2009 rules
22:25 mircea_popescu generally the reason power rangers keep wanting to hide the chain and the validation mechanisms is simply that
22:25 mircea_popescu their version of bitcoin is not actually valid as per the bitcoin protocol.
22:25 mircea_popescu barely hangs on by a mix of "grandfathering" and "don't look in this box", much like the usg that spawned them.
22:26 mircea_popescu in this sense, building atop that shit is an excursion in insanity, which is why ONLY usg-financed "companies" do it (in the sense of pretending to do anything besides hiring more ustards and eating rubber chickens at "conferences")
22:31 ben_vulpes i do not see the point at all in differentiating between txnen-which-are-relayed and txn-which-are-mined
22:34 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: i think you are conflating the DER encoding thing with the high/low-S thing
22:34 asciilifeform they were separate items
22:35 asciilifeform and i am looking at prb right now, it generates low-S only, and ditto for relay, but i see nothing that would force it to reject a block CONTAINING a high-S tx
22:36 asciilifeform what am i missing
22:37 mircea_popescu you seem to be operating on the delusional notion miners user prb ?!
22:37 mircea_popescu !up changenie
22:37 mircea_popescu hi there changenie
22:38 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: not speaking of miners, but of your earlier statement re:, approx, 'mining a high-S-containing block is a perma-fork'
22:38 asciilifeform trying to figure out how this is so
22:38 mircea_popescu and you are right, BIP66 was "strict DER".
22:39 mircea_popescu https://github.com/bitcoin/bips/blob/master/bip-0066.mediawiki << pretty good discussion.
22:39 assbot bips/bip-0066.mediawiki at master · bitcoin/bips · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/201qFup )
22:39 asciilifeform i am trying to grasp what, precisely, would happen, if mircea_popescu or anybody were to build a high-S miner
22:40 mircea_popescu for some reason the whole high/low S thing is part and parcel of this in my head.
22:40 asciilifeform 'The requirement to have signatures that comply strictly with DER has been enforced as a relay policy by the reference client since v0.8.0, and very few transactions violating it are being added to the chain as of January 2015. ' <<< ahahaha turns out i was right, even per the horse's own mouth
22:40 asciilifeform you ~can~ miner high-S without permafork
22:40 asciilifeform *mine
22:40 asciilifeform but somehow 'everybody' was persuaded not to
22:41 asciilifeform (because ????????)
22:41 mircea_popescu i suppose this is something we can experiment with once someone picks up the pool thing ?
22:41 asciilifeform well certainly not with bare hands.
22:42 asciilifeform but my earlier hypothesis was that a high (or at least nondiscriminatory)-S pool would specifically have an edge.
22:42 asciilifeform (because 'market' for them, if you will, is under-served for no good reason)
22:42 mircea_popescu not really. because it is trivial to malleate txn
22:42 mircea_popescu see, miner that sees high-S tx can either reject it, or just low-S it.
22:43 asciilifeform malleate prior to your pool seeing the original ?
22:43 asciilifeform let'em try their luck
22:43 mircea_popescu it's happening all the time ?
22:43 mircea_popescu i currently send both kinds, and the mined blocks include the low-ified S all the time.
22:43 mircea_popescu no miner rejects high S txn as such.
22:43 asciilifeform incidentally i still don't fully grasp the point of the whole malleation thing
22:44 asciilifeform with whom, specifically, does it screw ?
22:44 mircea_popescu there is no fucking point. what is the point of https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/25/8b/5d/258b5d875293b906b5c97c318c92de29.jpg other than "get all these bitches lined up in thin plastic wrapped young titties so we can stroke it better" ?
22:44 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/201r3c8 )
22:45 mircea_popescu that's how "states" are built, you're supposed to be aped by the awesome power of this imaginary thing that lo! it makes whole rafts of bitches to absurd shit like this
22:45 mircea_popescu when you can't even get one to spread properly.
22:46 asciilifeform i must be simple-minded, then
22:46 asciilifeform because i don't see the mega-point
22:46 asciilifeform tx malleation brings not one single hooligan a step closer to the pirannha tank.
22:46 mircea_popescu wut ?
22:47 mircea_popescu did i just talk through you ?
22:47 asciilifeform possibly?
22:47 asciilifeform how is tx malleation supposed to impress anybody with the majesty of usg ?
22:47 asciilifeform it doesn't ~do~ anything
22:47 asciilifeform it's got no tits.
22:48 mircea_popescu but "everyone" does it. and you want to be just like everyone, don't you ?
22:48 mircea_popescu tits are for older boys, like they had in pre-nazi germany.
22:48 mircea_popescu for the raft of 3yos the us is infested with, tits yet hold a different meaning than ravishment.
22:51 mircea_popescu incidentally, i would suppose that is "child porn" by today's standards, right ? buncha fourteen year olds in clingwrap tops.
22:51 mircea_popescu whar is teh compliance documents!11
22:55 mircea_popescu asciilifeform to fully formulate the impedance mismatch here, because on reread this isn't satisfactory. suppose you have a chain of blocks, B1...Bn. suppose you also have a chain (different concepts) of txn , T1...Tm.
22:57 mircea_popescu all miners, whether they be S-indiscriminate or S-selective can mine T1 necessarily. the latter as is ; the former as T1 in 50% of cases and as T1' in the remainder cases, where T1' = C-T1
22:57 mircea_popescu should T1' be mined, then T2...TN is now invalid, and will have to be resent.
22:57 asciilifeform well yes
22:57 mircea_popescu it's true that this costs S-indiscriminate miners the txn fees of T2-Tn, but
22:57 asciilifeform but the S-selection does not appear to touch block-validity-tester at all!
22:58 asciilifeform in any known client
22:58 mircea_popescu a) the expectation is, as you've seen, that i'll get an accountant out of bed and on my own dime fix the mess power rangers made because hey, why not, it's a decentralized protocol which means some idiots break it and the world fixes it
22:58 asciilifeform DER-encoding thing? yes.
22:58 asciilifeform S ? no
22:58 mircea_popescu however more importantly b) there is NO WAY for neutral-S miners to profit from T2-Tn as-is.
22:58 mircea_popescu so yet another aspect of the well familiar by now disaster of commons
23:00 mircea_popescu but i must an' gladly do commend your stubborn insistence because yeah in fact i was conflating two things in mah head.
23:00 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11430 @ 0.00051319 = 5.8658 BTC [+]
23:02 mircea_popescu now, if subsidy was more like 25 cents than 25 BTC, we wouldn't even have this discussion.
23:02 mircea_popescu but sadly... it's hard to make a function to describe future human behaviour.
23:11 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23902 @ 0.00051548 = 12.321 BTC [+] {4}
23:13 phf asciilifeform: cryptological theme park, is that the spy museum or this some other facility?
23:13 asciilifeform phf: nah, a sorta restaurant/club
23:14 asciilifeform корпоратив.
23:16 phf huh
23:17 asciilifeform phf: one of those places that exists for 'team building' gymnastics
23:17 phf aah, i see
23:19 phf because a cryptology themed restaurant, that would be something i'd want to see. nsa contractors go there for burgers, kind of ironically, but also cause it's close to "the location". spy memorabilia, but all utterly obscure for a casual observer. cute frequency analysis problems sprinkled all over
23:20 asciilifeform they have (had? it's been a while) colourful substitution cipher rebuses in the 'starbucks' around dc area
23:24 phf i vaguely recall that
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23:42 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 41616 @ 0.00051619 = 21.4818 BTC [+] {3}
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