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00:03 funkenstein_ thestringpuller, that's the real deal :)
00:03 funkenstein_ like bitcoin, you can't fake the funk
00:04 * asciilifeform saw deal for purchase of certain lab instrument fall through for the third time in that many years.
00:06 funkenstein_ thestringpuller, a show of new school crew George tours with these days : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8tk9j00wyVQ
00:06 assbot George Clinton Parliment Funkadelic NAMM 2015 - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1EJ4Ysm )
00:06 * asciilifeform is, contrary to pete_dushenski's lsd trip picture, very poor.
00:07 funkenstein_ asciilifeform, still can't afford that chip fab?
00:07 asciilifeform funkenstein_: not chip fab, either
00:08 thestringpuller asciilifeform: you want dr. moreau's island for electronics...
00:10 asciilifeform thestringpuller: my 'island' is an unheated, uncooled, wooden hut.
00:11 thestringpuller when you say "my 'island'" are you talking of hypothetical super scientist island with no budget? or current laboratory?
00:12 asciilifeform current.
00:12 asciilifeform godforsaken hole.
00:14 funkenstein_ how's the air quality down there?
00:14 asciilifeform funkenstein_: worst imaginable.
00:15 funkenstein_ O.o
00:15 mircea_popescu funkenstein_ since they did the killing.
00:16 funkenstein_ aha
00:16 * mircea_popescu can imagine some pretty bad air quality.
00:16 asciilifeform picture 'worst possible without being near-term lethal' and you have it.
00:17 mircea_popescu in other news, went on a lark to this "power dc" ac/dc tribute band in some "rock bar" here.
00:17 thestringpuller funkenstein_: The mothership has arrived.
00:17 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: l0l, i distinctly recall seeing an ad for precisely this during one of our walks in the city
00:18 mircea_popescu you should have seen this thing. a space too small to keep a woman with her sister ; 5 dollar drinks ; buncha teenaged derps dressed like pizza delivery boys, backpacks i compris. which ius why nobody had a drink.
00:18 mircea_popescu the band was ohio high bad.
00:18 mircea_popescu and it had nothing to do with rock whatsoever.
00:18 funkenstein_ lol, ouch
00:19 mircea_popescu basically, argentinian : tribute band that is not a band and no tribute, in a bar that sells no drinks to some kids that are there because they got out of the rain.
00:19 * funkenstein_ guesses it was also ear-damagingly loud
00:19 mircea_popescu and then funkenstein_ wants to tell me about the intrinsic worth of all bipedal mouthbreathers.
00:19 mircea_popescu i ain't buying it.
00:19 mircea_popescu funkenstein_ no, probably on account of electricity being too expensive.
00:21 funkenstein_ this is not my point any more than yours is to defend usgtronic idiocy
00:21 mircea_popescu go on
00:24 funkenstein_ most all literate europeans, including cortez, wrote of "economic prosperity beyond any we have seen", "paradise", "wisdom". Hardly just mouthbreathing.
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00:24 mircea_popescu you talking north america or central america ?
00:25 funkenstein_ well Corez wasn't very far North afaik
00:25 mircea_popescu so then why do you conflate the two. the people i was talking about when i said iron age were the various twerps the usians killed.
00:25 mircea_popescu the various people the spanyards killed are some other discussion.
00:25 asciilifeform what iron.
00:25 funkenstein_ Iroquois nation sure seemed more advanced from my reading than say, washcorp
00:26 mircea_popescu asciilifeform im bewing generous.
00:26 mircea_popescu funkenstein_ a lot of talk about that. point of fact is, subsistence hunters with bow and arrow.
00:26 mircea_popescu nobody is against the study of political, philosophycal, astronautical or any other knowledge defeated tribe had.
00:26 mircea_popescu we are however against hteir continued physical existence.
00:27 funkenstein_ why?
00:27 mircea_popescu because their massacre makes the scant remaining life valuable,
00:27 funkenstein_ are we against the physical existence of monkeys?
00:27 mircea_popescu allowing the common man some semblance of freedom and import for a short interval.
00:27 mircea_popescu why do you think the immigrants slaughtered the indians instead of persay teaching them to farm ?
00:28 funkenstein_ you mean instead of learning from them how to farm
00:28 mircea_popescu no.
00:28 asciilifeform one reason was that agriculture is subjectively hell.
00:28 asciilifeform and folks faced with something like an actual choice, did not choose it.
00:28 funkenstein_ well not to the folks who knew how to do it
00:28 asciilifeform any more than you and i choose to put hand in a bear trap
00:29 asciilifeform funkenstein_: to anyone. the resulting population density is hell.
00:29 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6900 @ 0.00071457 = 4.9305 BTC [-]
00:29 * mircea_popescu adds "teenaged californians that know how to clean toilets" to his shopping list.
00:29 mircea_popescu im sure they'll enjoy it on account of "knowing how to do it"
00:29 funkenstein_ yes, knowing a useful skill and performing it is enjoyable, sometimes referred to as satori 24
00:30 mircea_popescu this is a pipe dream.
00:30 mircea_popescu some skills are enjoyable. others are not.
00:30 mircea_popescu i am a very good arithmetician, at that.
00:30 funkenstein_ lol good point there
00:30 funkenstein_ but never enjoy some nice arithmetic?
00:31 mircea_popescu yes, of the subset of skills that are enjoyable, one enjoys more the ones that are useful and he's any good at
00:31 mircea_popescu but that's besides the point. being a skilled politician is never enjoyable.
00:32 funkenstein_ at any rate, agriculture is a great example of "whoops - shoulda asked the locals where the keys to safe are before we needlessly removed their tongues"
00:32 mircea_popescu i don't see it.
00:32 asciilifeform funkenstein_: the white man knew 'the keys' - 'have 99.99% of you die and you too can be subsistence hunters'
00:32 funkenstein_ modern genetic engineering and rapid desertificatoin techniques have never reached indian levels
00:33 mircea_popescu eh get out.
00:33 funkenstein_ go, make a new maize
00:33 funkenstein_ explain how it was done
00:33 mircea_popescu the indians died of starvation, mostly.
00:33 funkenstein_ ditto the potatoe
00:33 funkenstein_ nonsense
00:33 mircea_popescu there weren't enough of them to populate california.
00:33 funkenstein_ the invading barbarians died of starvation
00:33 funkenstein_ california was quite populated
00:34 funkenstein_ as was modern detroit, look now
00:34 asciilifeform for fucks sake,
00:34 asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=31-01-2015#999195
00:34 assbot Logged on 31-01-2015 01:09:34; asciilifeform: 'Every nationalist is haunted by the belief that the past can be altered. He spends part of his time in a fantasy world in which things happen as they should — in which, for example, the Spanish Armada was a success or the Russian Revolution was crushed in 1918 — and he will transfer fragments of this world to the history books whenever possible. Much of the propagandist writing of our time amounts to
00:35 mircea_popescu i think that fits.
00:35 ben_vulpes disease also wiped out huge numbers!
00:35 mircea_popescu ben_vulpes yes. the sort of disease that kills the hungry.
00:35 ben_vulpes what, the hungry existed until the diseases arrived to wipe them out?
00:36 asciilifeform ben_vulpes: elementarily, there was nothing magic about the 'red man' which kept him from breeding, like everybody else, to just short of over the carrying capacity of his lands
00:36 asciilifeform it simply did not happen to be very high
00:37 asciilifeform so the lsd aficionados get illusion of 'in harmony with enviro'
00:37 asciilifeform or whatnot
00:37 ben_vulpes lol simply means nature comes by and wallops population numbers once in a while
00:37 mircea_popescu in point of fact as the white man put pressure on the indians, they started crossing boundries in desperate search of food. this was very successful at preventing organised resistance - idiots too busy fighting each other.
00:37 asciilifeform in reality, say the place today called california could have supported 50,000 healthy stone age folk, or 100,000 barely-alive ripe-for-smallpox.
00:38 mircea_popescu so much for political superiority.
00:38 asciilifeform it will house 110,000.
00:38 funkenstein_ i'm not claiming magic red men, i am claiming mentally ill - and markedly stupid - invaders
00:38 mircea_popescu asciilifeform call it californy like they did :D
00:39 ben_vulpes hm!
00:39 funkenstein_ i'm also claiming great denial and lack of reading of relevant historical documents
00:39 mircea_popescu funkenstein_ like ?
00:40 funkenstein_ e.g. scalping laws of every US state rewarding people for presenting american corpses
00:40 mircea_popescu so ?
00:40 funkenstein_ meeting notes from Denver
00:40 mircea_popescu "meeting notes from Denver" ?!
00:40 mircea_popescu you mean the protocols of the learned elves of denver ?
00:41 funkenstein_ explicit doctrines of idiocy from there for hundreds of years - must kill kill because - dumb dumb we are
00:41 mircea_popescu mno.
00:42 mircea_popescu must kill because can.
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00:42 funkenstein_ then starve you will
00:42 asciilifeform funkenstein_: the 'magical wisdom of harmony with mother earth' thing won't fly. but my personal favourite crackpottery re: the indians, and one which has at least a pinch of actual historical support, is that they had to be bugsprayed to keep agricultural white man from defecting.
00:42 funkenstein_ in a dead wasteland
00:42 mircea_popescu eh get out.
00:43 funkenstein_ kill because can? start with own family, then all plants and animals, finally self.
00:44 mircea_popescu no dude. start with the monkeys. d'oh.
00:44 funkenstein_ monkeys are fine with me, leave them there -- can eat them later if shit gets rough
00:44 mircea_popescu you're acting like elementary points don't somehow magically exist. that pretense doesn't do anything.
00:44 mircea_popescu obviously the white guys killed the red guys. the red guys sucked.
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00:45 funkenstein_ all of us will die, therefore we suck
00:45 funkenstein_ how about lets try to learn from past mistakes
00:45 mircea_popescu quite.
00:46 asciilifeform incidentally, i notice that aficionados of crying for the indians for some odd reason cry preferentially for the ones clobbered earlier and more thoroughly, leaving not so much as a wet spot (e.g., arawak) vs the later ones who learned horse and rifle and gave white man a run for his money
00:46 funkenstein_ thems what die will be the lucky ones
00:46 mircea_popescu asciilifeform obviously. those showed some sign of sense.
00:46 funkenstein_ i cry for the descendents of the fucktards who still bear the scars of mental illness
00:46 mircea_popescu you don't get to go around putting labels on things you know.
00:46 funkenstein_ i cry for mircea_popescu who lives in a society which grew up with no wise elders
00:46 mircea_popescu i did ?!
00:47 funkenstein_ *now lives
00:47 mircea_popescu dude if your idea of wise elders is some twerps who worship the failures...
00:47 funkenstein_ ??
00:48 mircea_popescu last fucking thing i want to see are some elders harping on about how great the iron age man was. srsly.
00:48 asciilifeform funkenstein_: can you describe one of the 'wise men' and his wisdom in terms that any of us might apprehend ?
00:48 mircea_popescu it's not even ridiculous.
00:48 asciilifeform 'it was wisdomy and truthy damnit' doesn't cut it.
00:49 funkenstein_ asciilifeform, when I read your excellent blog I am often reminded of the aztec word "tonal"
00:49 gabriel_laddel funkenstein_: life is ruff, here, have a blanket.
00:49 funkenstein_ that ideal model existing in our mind of objects describing the world around us
00:49 * mircea_popescu wants to introduce http://trilema.com/2011/hai-sa-facem-un-exercitiu/#selection-271.1-281.68
00:49 assbot Hai sa facem un exercitiu on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1NVtlGi )
00:49 funkenstein_ gabriel_laddel, lol
00:49 mircea_popescu "they had cars at the time this fuckwit was living in the dirt. do you understand ? some african monkey thinking they unveiled the sikrits of the universe AT THE SAME TIME as people doing the cern cyclotron is necessarily and by that very fact an idiot.
00:49 mircea_popescu humanity is a thrown curve. what's ok in 700bc is not ok in 2000ad."
00:49 mircea_popescu if i want to worship some iron age primitives, i got the greeks
00:49 mircea_popescu i do not need nor care to mention some schmucks 5000 years late to the party.
00:50 mircea_popescu not anymore than i care for tornatore's shepherd.
00:50 funkenstein_ the largest city in the world in 1500 was Tenochtitlan
00:50 mircea_popescu fuck him, retarded sicilian rediscovering the intellectual products of sheep herding in 1940
00:50 mircea_popescu again with mexico ?
00:51 funkenstein_ "They had cars" - we worship retarded usans now?
00:52 mircea_popescu ...
00:52 asciilifeform funkenstein_: what did your neolithic folks ~demonstrably~ have, that, e.g., i, want but do not have?
00:52 mircea_popescu what's this mezclado of everything. we talk north american indians you derp about early mexico city, i discuss tech you derp about consumers... different things yo.
00:52 funkenstein_ asciilifeform, remember the bar here is set for - is it worth your while to go slit a throat of somebody not bother you
00:52 asciilifeform (note that this is not a null set, but i don't expect to hear any correct answer just now)
00:53 asciilifeform funkenstein_: the 'not bothered' part is also demonstrably false.
00:53 asciilifeform esp. in north a.
00:53 funkenstein_ asciilifeform, what did -your- neolithic folks demonstrably have that I want now?
00:54 mircea_popescu eh russia wasn't even inhabited then.
00:54 mircea_popescu tech didn't really allow for it.
00:55 funkenstein_ mexico city is in north america afaik
00:55 asciilifeform what's next, moscow is in europe !
00:55 asciilifeform technicalities.
00:55 mircea_popescu anyway, to take that myth away : tenochtitlan had a populatiuon of 2 or 300k. in any case under 500k.
00:55 mircea_popescu fucking ur, at the time of its beheading, was ten times that.
00:56 mircea_popescu china had dozens of settlements larger
00:56 mircea_popescu rome had been a million for nine or ten centuries by that point
00:57 mircea_popescu but yes, it was by far the largest affair in the new world. because the new world sucked.
00:59 mircea_popescu moscow is in europe ?
00:59 asciilifeform and chicken, is a bird !
00:59 ben_vulpes (asciilifeform, what did your neolithic folks demonstrably have that you want but do not have?)
01:00 asciilifeform ben_vulpes: see earlier discussion re: agriculture being a hell
01:00 mircea_popescu they didn't have sleep ad lib you know.
01:00 asciilifeform sure they did.
01:00 mircea_popescu they just had a retarded female-centric social system which fell over at the slightest provocation. like every other case in history.
01:00 asciilifeform eh we got that now.
01:01 mircea_popescu not quite yet.
01:01 mircea_popescu going that way tho
01:02 gabriel_laddel asciilifeform: is there anything in particular DERIVE has that maxima does not? I read a presentation on the matter, which had some nice specifics (inequality support) but am curious why you fondly remember the former rather than the latter.
01:02 asciilifeform gabriel_laddel: it has being 200KB.
01:02 mircea_popescu maxima existed then ?
01:02 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: maxima existed in 1970s
01:02 asciilifeform called then 'macsyma'
01:02 mircea_popescu and i could run this on what ?
01:02 mircea_popescu in 1993
01:03 asciilifeform which 'this'
01:03 asciilifeform macsyma?
01:03 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: the current distributive runs on standard common lisp.
01:03 mircea_popescu ya
01:03 mircea_popescu and i could have had standard common lisp on what ?
01:03 gabriel_laddel symbolics box...
01:03 mircea_popescu i could have had a symbolics box ?
01:03 mircea_popescu shit.
01:04 asciilifeform in '93? 1) symbolics 2) sun 3) vax 4) a few others
01:04 mircea_popescu asciilifeform why didnt you get a symbolics box yo! then you could have fondly remembered maxima instead of derive!
01:04 mircea_popescu my copy came on disk 2 of "crime wave"
01:04 asciilifeform there also was 'xlisp' for msdos, which was ~nearly~ commonlisp.
01:04 asciilifeform i used it.
01:04 mircea_popescu https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MgDJ6EH-CBI this
01:04 assbot Crime Wave DOS Longplay (1/4) - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1NVugXr )
01:05 mircea_popescu god i loved that stupid scroller
01:06 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: l0l, what was it doing there
01:06 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 120865 @ 0.00073053 = 88.2955 BTC [+] {8}
01:06 mircea_popescu the idea was you had to fill all disks.
01:07 asciilifeform ah, human warez
01:07 mircea_popescu aha
01:07 asciilifeform then makes total sense!
01:07 mircea_popescu check it out btw, almost like topless daughter of president
01:09 asciilifeform gabriel_laddel: coming back to the earlier point, it is ~unfathomably valuable~ to ~know that you know all the knobs and what they do~
01:09 asciilifeform this means fits-in-head.
01:10 asciilifeform it is even conceivable that the guts would have fit in your head, had they been exposed
01:10 asciilifeform but the interface of 'derive' certainly did.
01:10 asciilifeform try that with a modern symbolic maths package.
01:11 gabriel_laddel Yeah, I failed at that a while back.
01:11 asciilifeform this totality - there is no substitute for it.
01:11 gabriel_laddel Maxima is neato, but the ALGOL interface to all the goodies sucks.
01:11 mircea_popescu gabriel_laddel come to think about it, you probably want derive source for your masamune thing
01:11 asciilifeform it means that when something does not work as expected, you can immediately rule out 'unknown knob'
01:12 gabriel_laddel mircea_popescu: already downloaded it ;-) but will probably stick with Macsyma.
01:12 asciilifeform no sourceball for 'derive' was ever publicly discovered.
01:13 gabriel_laddel erm let me unpack derive.zip and see wtf is in here then
01:13 * mircea_popescu wonders if funkenstain got butthurt
01:13 gabriel_laddel nvm - I've just got a bunch of DERIVE files, no sources.
01:14 asciilifeform gabriel_laddel: the thing itself lives in one exe.
01:15 asciilifeform gabriel_laddel: came with a buncha generated crud, for illustrative purposes
01:15 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27287 @ 0.00071457 = 19.4985 BTC [-]
01:15 asciilifeform gabriel_laddel: said exe contains (in my copy) a bitwise-unchanged copy of 'mulisp-87' and a savelispanddie image of derive's engine appended after.
01:16 funkenstein_ sorry about that, network problems
01:16 asciilifeform gabriel_laddel: http://maben.homeip.net/static/s100/software/microsoft/LISP/MuLisp.pdf << manual. (very grainy scan.)
01:17 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1NVuWMj )
01:17 asciilifeform (and yes, mircosoft bought the thing, long ago, before there even was winblowz)
01:20 funkenstein_ moar winblows because: can
01:23 funkenstein_ well i must thank you for reminding me of the extent of damage due to idiocy and mental illness which has occured in the past
01:24 funkenstein_ I will renew efforts with greater motivation
01:24 asciilifeform funkenstein_: consider link to the documents mentioned earlier ?
01:24 funkenstein_ http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=05-09-2015#1263439
01:24 assbot Logged on 05-09-2015 23:03:16; funkenstein_: For more on that Guatemala story grep for "1986": http://www.skeptic.ca/American_Holocaust.htm
01:32 asciilifeform funkenstein_: no, these - http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-09-2015#1263618
01:32 assbot Logged on 06-09-2015 04:24:17; funkenstein_: most all literate europeans, including cortez, wrote of "economic prosperity beyond any we have seen", "paradise", "wisdom". Hardly just mouthbreathing.
01:33 asciilifeform funkenstein_ will also likely enjoy the mega-classic http://www.ditext.com/diamond/mistake.html
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01:33 * asciilifeform bbl.
01:34 funkenstein_ aha, of guns germs and steel fame
01:37 funkenstein_ Stannard's scholarship is remarkable. 60 pages of references, in documents he turned up in one of his volume.
01:38 funkenstein_ It may be possible for a person to know something about history of the America's without reading him, but surely the responsibility is on the person to so demonstrate.the
01:42 funkenstein_ Cortes: "Besides those things which I have already mentioned, they sell in the market everything else to be found in this land, but they are so many and so varied that because of their great number and because I cannot remember many of them nor do I know what they are called I shall not mention them"
01:43 gabriel_laddel !up refferedbyloper
01:43 gabriel_laddel spelling?
01:43 funkenstein_ "never seen in all my days what so rejoiced my heart, as these things. For I saw among them amazing artistic objects, and I marveled over the subtle ingenuity of the men in these distant lands. Indeed, I cannot say enough about the things that were brought before me"
01:43 assbot AMAZING COMPANY!
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01:55 funkenstein_ good night gents, my apologies for the not so lighthearted topics
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03:00 mircea_popescu ;;gentime 1000
03:00 gribble The average time to generate a block at 1000.0 Mhps, given difficulty of 56957648455.0, is 7757 years, 16 weeks, 6 days, 6 hours, 23 minutes, and 24 seconds
03:01 mircea_popescu ;;gentime 1000000000
03:01 gribble The average time to generate a block at 1000000000.0 Mhps, given difficulty of 56957648455.0, is 2 days, 19 hours, 57 minutes, and 14 seconds
03:02 mircea_popescu ;;gentime 11325.648148148
03:02 gribble The average time to generate a block at 11325.6481481 Mhps, given difficulty of 56957648455.0, is 684 years, 48 weeks, 4 days, 23 hours, 47 minutes, and 44 seconds
03:06 mircea_popescu ;;gentime 56628240.74
03:06 gribble The average time to generate a block at 56628240.74 Mhps, given difficulty of 56957648455.0, is 7 weeks, 1 day, 0 hours, and 17 seconds
03:07 mircea_popescu ;;gentime 113256481.48
03:07 gribble The average time to generate a block at 113256481.48 Mhps, given difficulty of 56957648455.0, is 3 weeks, 4 days, 0 hours, and 8 seconds
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03:54 mircea_popescu the gentlemen investors as well as the armchair financiers may find the 2nd part of ^ interesting
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03:55 punkman do you have to milk the goose daily?
03:55 mircea_popescu yea
03:59 gabriel_laddel !
03:59 gabriel_laddel wow
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04:05 mircea_popescu lmao
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04:32 gabriel_laddel !up VariaVarietatis
04:38 punkman https://instagram.com/tokyofashion/
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04:40 punkman every time I end up on instagram, I can't believe all the pictures are 640pixels and people use it
04:46 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6950 @ 0.00073704 = 5.1224 BTC [+] {2}
04:51 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8050 @ 0.00073705 = 5.9333 BTC [+]
04:58 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14800 @ 0.00073705 = 10.9083 BTC [+]
05:07 punkman http://eugeniekitchen.com/brick-toast/ sunday breakfast suggestion
05:07 assbot Brick Toast Recipe - Shibuya Honey Toast - Japanese Shokudo - Eugenie Kitchen ... ( http://bit.ly/1i5jQHY )
05:10 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5800 @ 0.00073638 = 4.271 BTC [-]
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06:32 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12193 @ 0.00073192 = 8.9243 BTC [-]
06:46 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3050 @ 0.00073618 = 2.2453 BTC [+] {3}
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07:28 shinohai Thanks AVG, deleting bitcoin nau: https://i.imgur.com/snA9iAP.png
07:28 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1Xx9ArP )
07:43 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1930 @ 0.00071978 = 1.3892 BTC [+]
07:51 shinohai !up vextor
07:52 vextor hello, a week ago I reported that Phuctor is broken when new keys are submitted
07:52 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3244 @ 0.00072836 = 2.3628 BTC [+]
07:52 vextor mircea_popescu noted that the bignum arithmetic often hobbled the machine, and to wait a few hours
07:52 vextor I did so, and also noted the Phuctor statistics. the number of keys to process was gradually going down
07:53 vextor over the course of the week, the number of Moduli Waiting for Test has now decreased to 601
07:53 vextor but it has been stuck on this figure for several days
07:53 shinohai ;;ticker
07:53 gribble Bitfinex BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 240.69, Best ask: 240.79, Bid-ask spread: 0.10000, Last trade: 240.72, 24 hour volume: 25432.59040205, 24 hour low: 231.0, 24 hour high: 248.48, 24 hour vwap: None
07:53 vextor I assume that when the number of moduli to test reaches 0, then key submission will work again?
07:53 vextor if there's anything I can do to help new submissions work again, please let me know
07:53 vextor submissions are, naturally, still broken
07:54 vextor I'll be watching the logs in case my services are needed
07:54 shinohai I think phuctor is down, but will have to ask asciilifeform when he gets here
07:54 vextor thanks to shinohai for the voice
07:55 shinohai m'kay
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08:18 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13476 @ 0.00072836 = 9.8154 BTC [+]
08:25 ben_vulpes ;;later tell vextor phuctor has had mains plugs pulled on it several times recenty, and alf's attitude (i believe) is that the thing shoudn't run if its going to have its memory ripped out every time it warms up. remember, it keeps the running product in memory. mircea_popescu's attitude is that "software should be less friable than the hardware upon which it runs". asciilifeform is trying to find the shitgnome responsble for
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08:25 ben_vulpes mains-currenting his box, and so i think phuctor is in limbo for the moment.
08:25 gribble The operation succeeded.
08:25 ben_vulpes !s friable
08:25 assbot 1 results for 'friable' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=friable
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08:54 shinohai https://pbs.twimg.com/media/COOJXnjUEAMqi9x.png
08:54 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1NjjvOC )
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09:40 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 74900 @ 0.00071388 = 53.4696 BTC [+] {5}
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10:08 ben_vulpes ;;later tell bingoboingo you'd appreciate the local gravity distortion in the 24-hour cafe this morning
10:08 gribble The operation succeeded.
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10:25 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13000 @ 0.00071378 = 9.2791 BTC [-]
10:39 thestringpuller ben_vulpes: what's that mean?
10:41 thestringpuller ;;ls
10:41 gribble What do you think I am, a shell?
10:43 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9500 @ 0.00073198 = 6.9538 BTC [+] {3}
10:44 ben_vulpes ;;later tell asciilifeform `for i in $(shasum -a 512 patches/* | awk '{print $1}'); do python v.py patches o $1; done` returns "No origin found." for all patches. i've not successfully run 'origin' yet.
10:44 gribble The operation succeeded.
10:44 ben_vulpes ^^ from a vanilla vdemo tar, unless i'm horribly mistaken.
10:45 ben_vulpes thestringpuller: dat beetus
10:57 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4979 @ 0.00073383 = 3.6537 BTC [+]
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11:40 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13751 @ 0.00073569 = 10.1165 BTC [+] {3}
11:43 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17600 @ 0.00073604 = 12.9543 BTC [+] {2}
11:50 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6388 @ 0.00073604 = 4.7018 BTC [+] {2}
11:51 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10389 @ 0.00073774 = 7.6644 BTC [+]
11:52 asciilifeform ;;later tell ben_vulpes what were you trying to do ?! 'o' takes a ~tree file's hash~ as argument, and tells you ~which patch~ produced it. looks like you were giving it a patch's hash ??
11:52 gribble The operation succeeded.
11:53 ben_vulpes aha, yes I was
11:53 ben_vulpes so that'd be the hash of a "pressing"?
11:55 asciilifeform of a particular file in a pressing (or found elsewhere, aha)
11:56 asciilifeform ben_vulpes: see also http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=01-09-2015#1258188
11:56 assbot Logged on 01-09-2015 04:21:27; asciilifeform: it is mainly because my disk is littered with 1,001 copies of therealbitcoin tree
11:57 asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-09-2015#1263914 << i've been thinking about this ever since the last thread, and so far i have not come up with any way to make the thing RELIABLY survive the treatment it is getting
11:57 assbot Logged on 06-09-2015 12:25:05; ben_vulpes: ;;later tell vextor phuctor has had mains plugs pulled on it several times recenty, and alf's attitude (i believe) is that the thing shoudn't run if its going to have its memory ripped out every time it warms up. remember, it keeps the running product in memory. mircea_popescu's attitude is that "software should be less friable than the hardware upon which it runs". asciilifeform is trying to find the sh
11:57 asciilifeform (undetectable bit rot is MUCH WORSE than the idling it does right now)
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11:58 asciilifeform thing is, flipping ONE FUCKING BIT in an already-baked product of moduli renders the whole shebang - and however long it took to produce - UNDETECTABLY worthless.
12:01 asciilifeform the thing really needs to run on a colo box.
12:01 asciilifeform with internal battery.
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12:03 asciilifeform i will also take this chance to point out that the node on dulap has been rendered useless by all of this - trails by 30-100 blocks AT ALL TIMES
12:07 asciilifeform this means that at present time there is EXACTLY ONE reliable public therealbitcoin node - zoolag.
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12:08 asciilifeform i am still waiting to hear from anybody having set up another.
12:09 kakobrekla id like to tho
12:09 asciilifeform kakobrekla: what's keeping ya ?
12:09 kakobrekla id like to throw* one on that mini arm computer cloud at some point
12:10 kakobrekla they just sliced prices down, assuming not popular
12:10 asciilifeform kakobrekla: use the cross-compilator instructions from my pogotron recipe
12:10 kakobrekla currently out of time.
12:11 asciilifeform everybody's out of time, aha
12:12 asciilifeform i will note, for anyone relying on zoolag to transmit time-sensitive things, that it is on a fucking home fiber
12:12 asciilifeform and could go down literally any time.
12:14 kakobrekla i got a second mircorserver that will be another home node (amd, ecc, raid) that is on my bench waiting to be assembled for a couple of weeks now.
12:14 kakobrekla but, no time.
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12:15 kakobrekla will get better soon.
12:16 thestringpuller reading a paper on cryptosocialism...
12:19 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4671 @ 0.00073014 = 3.4105 BTC [-]
12:30 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2268 @ 0.00072538 = 1.6452 BTC [-]
12:39 ben_vulpes *sigh*
12:39 ben_vulpes what are best practices with the mailing list again?
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12:43 asciilifeform ben_vulpes: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=04-09-2015#1262921
12:43 assbot Logged on 04-09-2015 23:54:25; asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: here's how i do it: 1) clearsigned (asciiarmoured) body. 2) attachment 3) signature (asciiarmoured, detached) of attachment, having the filename attach.foo.sig for every attach.foo
12:44 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4467 @ 0.00073045 = 3.2629 BTC [+]
12:47 ben_vulpes http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-September/000165.html << achtung, asciilifeform
12:47 assbot [BTC-dev] V. (ver. 99K) ... ( http://bit.ly/1VHbxQN )
12:48 trinque ;;later tell funkenstein_ If only Cortes hadn't destroyed the Mesoamerican time machine, you could travel back and set everything right.
12:48 gribble The operation succeeded.
12:50 asciilifeform neato ben_vulpes
12:50 asciilifeform i will read this.
12:50 trinque This preoccupation with what should've happened misses the process by which things *actually happen* by a wide berth.
12:51 ben_vulpes asciilifeform: it is only of middling nifty-ness.
12:51 ben_vulpes HA
12:52 ben_vulpes i of course neglected the test incantations.
12:54 ben_vulpes `python -m unittest test_v'
12:54 asciilifeform ben_vulpes: why on earth did you put in that horror with the nested if-thens ?
12:54 asciilifeform 'cause now if i wanna add a new command, there are THREE FUCKING PLACES to put it in instead of 2
12:54 asciilifeform what gives.
12:55 asciilifeform what was the point of this mutilation.
12:56 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16317 @ 0.00073045 = 11.9188 BTC [+]
12:56 ben_vulpes eradication of global state and testability.
12:56 asciilifeform dafuq is your problem with global state
12:57 ben_vulpes you mean untestable spaghetti?
12:57 asciilifeform it is only 'spaghetti' if there are localisms in the global state. as it was, all of it was relevant to the whole proggy.
12:57 ben_vulpes in all honesty, it is a relic of testing from before i had the args objects mocked out.
12:58 ben_vulpes and that is strictly untrue.
12:58 ben_vulpes c_wot, for instance, has no business knowing about all sorts of things in args.
12:59 asciilifeform ben_vulpes is right about c_wot
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12:59 ben_vulpes i /abhor/ functions that take the whole environment as their input arguments.
12:59 asciilifeform but the patch dir arg is necessary !
13:00 asciilifeform let's say it weren't. then ' ./v.py w ' prints wot ? but this is broken. because what if 'w' is my patch dir, and i simply forgot to include the second arg.
13:00 asciilifeform ergo all invocations of my 'v' took the patchdir arg as first arg.
13:00 ben_vulpes i've not touched the arg parsing itself.
13:02 asciilifeform ben_vulpes: what were your objections to 'banners' and 'desc' ?
13:02 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17900 @ 0.00072663 = 13.0067 BTC [-] {3}
13:02 ben_vulpes i don't think i understand their use well enough to complain in detail.
13:03 asciilifeform banners is simply a table of what was signed by whom.
13:03 ben_vulpes i know what it is, silly. just not the places where it's used. yet.
13:03 asciilifeform desc is a table of where a file (represented by its sha512) was born.
13:04 ben_vulpes but looky here. you've written a thing that more-or-less must be tested as a whole, and i'm trying to push for testing the bits.
13:05 asciilifeform ben_vulpes: btw i find it interesting that nobody has yet noticed that 1) broken chains 2) orphaned subchains of any length whatsoever --- do not work
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13:05 ben_vulpes and this is why the global state drives me up a wall. because i cannot import one of these functions from the script and then run it without setting up a global environment for it. it's difficult to reason about the code lacks locality.
13:06 asciilifeform and their presence prevents anything else from working.
13:06 ben_vulpes yes, i have only written 'happy path' tests.
13:06 ben_vulpes and no, i have not yet ginned up the tree-fuzzer.
13:06 asciilifeform ben_vulpes: try producing a patch that forks off, e.g., rel1, and see what i mean.
13:06 ben_vulpes hm.
13:07 asciilifeform right now it has no notion of patches that cannot coexist with one another.
13:07 ben_vulpes (because the code lacks locality)
13:08 ben_vulpes asciilifeform: add it back into the todos :P
13:08 asciilifeform ben_vulpes: i was hoping it would be obvious to anyone who actually tried to use the thing.
13:08 punkman asciilifeform: I just noticed this earlier when I looked at press, will apply every single patch up to HEAD
13:09 ben_vulpes that'd be trying to break the thing.
13:09 asciilifeform punkman: correct. the thing has no concept of orphaned chains as of yet.
13:10 asciilifeform punkman: i decided, rather than let the thing sit sadly for another month while i get this necessary thing to work, to release instead
13:10 asciilifeform perhaps ben_vulpes et al will finish the job.
13:11 punkman asciilifeform: I only thought about it for 5 min but it seems like the solution to this would be a bit complex
13:11 asciilifeform punkman: it would, yes
13:11 asciilifeform punkman: need a smarter toposort
13:11 asciilifeform (iirc the correct term for the thing remaining to be done is 'topological traversal')
13:12 punkman I think I might hook it up to graphviz for visualization
13:12 asciilifeform punkman: i did a rough version of just that, a few days ago
13:12 asciilifeform punkman: i decided not to post it, because the result sucks
13:13 asciilifeform it needs to be *clickable*
13:13 asciilifeform and graphviz doesn't give this.
13:16 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12378 @ 0.00072529 = 8.9776 BTC [-] {3}
13:17 ben_vulpes time to manually generate some svgs, eh?
13:17 asciilifeform svg sucks.
13:17 asciilifeform and graphviz sucks.
13:17 asciilifeform i was not able to find how to enforce level stepping in it.
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13:18 asciilifeform (that is, all 'generations' of patch family tree should occupy a level, strictly)
13:29 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14450 @ 0.00073773 = 10.6602 BTC [+] {2}
13:35 asciilifeform unrelatedly,
13:35 asciilifeform is the otc order book thing entirely stone dead ?
13:35 asciilifeform has anyone here ever actually managed to buy, something other than coin or fiat, there /
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13:35 asciilifeform ?
13:36 ben_vulpes mnope.
13:36 asciilifeform this is kinda a continuation of the ancient 'ebay' thread.
13:36 ben_vulpes but the dream of distributed marketplaces is alive in #otc.
13:36 asciilifeform dream ahahaha lol
13:36 ben_vulpes ahaha look at all of these python tabs i can close now
13:37 asciilifeform this is also a continuation of http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=03-09-2015#1260662
13:37 assbot Logged on 03-09-2015 02:08:18; mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> the other interesting thing is that the market is segmented in such a way that anyone who doesn't want mcfood ends up paying for ~all~ the alt-crackpotteries, not merely the logical ones << this is a very valid point, and the one spot where alf's ideas re meta-lizzards sound most persuasive. i do not believe the market is gerrymandered as it is by accident.
13:38 asciilifeform say i wanna buy an xxxxxtron but don't have $10k.
13:38 asciilifeform it is often possible if i can avoid paying the 'newness tax'
13:38 asciilifeform because i sure as fuck don't ~need~ 'support'
13:38 asciilifeform and i can do without 'warranty' and 'returns'
13:39 asciilifeform and i don't give a flying fuck if the thing has parts made of baby bones and panda fur
13:39 asciilifeform by slave labour in namibia
13:39 ben_vulpes hear hear
13:39 ben_vulpes in other news, i'm off to a baby shower
13:40 asciilifeform ben_vulpes: don't throw it out with the bathwater
13:43 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4200 @ 0.00073774 = 3.0985 BTC [+]
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14:00 asciilifeform ;;buy 1 "TAIG 2027ER with original vise, and with controller of any make." at 6 BTC
14:00 gribble Error: For identification purposes, you must be identified via GPG to use the order book.
14:01 asciilifeform ;;gpg eauth asciilifeform
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14:01 gribble Request successful for user asciilifeform, hostmask asciilifeform!~asciilife@unaffiliated/asciilifeform. Get your encrypted OTP from http://bitcoin-otc.com/otps/B98228A001ABFFC7
14:02 asciilifeform ;;gpg everify freenode:#bitcoin-otc:58850f1a13a4e710af8dc3a896a0d761067daf11abe9fddc336a23aa
14:02 gribble You are now authenticated for user asciilifeform with key B98228A001ABFFC7
14:02 asciilifeform ;;buy 1 "TAIG 2027ER with original vise, and with controller of any make." at 6 BTC
14:02 gribble Order id 22472 created.
14:07 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7000 @ 0.00073326 = 5.1328 BTC [-]
14:07 ag3nt_zer0 good morning https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UIiYlHS0F0Y
14:07 assbot George Harrison - I Dig Love - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1g3XdBA )
14:09 asciilifeform ;;later tell pete_dushenski take me to the parallel lsd universe where i'm rich !
14:09 gribble The operation succeeded.
14:10 asciilifeform ;;later tell ben_vulpes you would probably gain from rewriting 'v' from scratch, rather than using mine
14:10 gribble The operation succeeded.
14:10 ag3nt_zer0 http://www.studiesincomparativereligion.com/Public/articles/The_Contradiction_of_Relativism-by_Frithjof_Schuon.aspx
14:10 assbot "The Contradiction of Relativism" - an essay by Frithjof Schuon ... ( http://bit.ly/1O6FDuy )
14:10 asciilifeform ag3nt_zer0: can you give me a good reason to read this ?
14:11 ag3nt_zer0 good morning asciilifeform
14:11 ag3nt_zer0 and how are you this sunday?
14:11 asciilifeform 'morning ag3nt_zer0
14:11 asciilifeform short on time.
14:11 ag3nt_zer0 have you ever read anything on schuon?
14:11 ag3nt_zer0 by schuon
14:11 asciilifeform nope.
14:12 ag3nt_zer0 well, imo he is entirely worth reading
14:12 ag3nt_zer0 a good reason?
14:12 ag3nt_zer0 other than that, no
14:14 ag3nt_zer0 also the truth is refreshing, no?
14:14 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2700 @ 0.00072861 = 1.9672 BTC [-]
14:15 asciilifeform snr too low for me.
14:15 ag3nt_zer0 and I suppose, for me, that there are minds I quite respect in this room, yours among them, and would hope to hear any thoughts...
14:17 ag3nt_zer0 snr = so no reason? :)
14:17 asciilifeform signal/noise ratio
14:17 ag3nt_zer0 yeah
14:18 ag3nt_zer0 lots of folks seem to have that issue
14:21 * asciilifeform is experimenting with avoiding activities with low snr.
14:21 jurov truth has low snr
14:22 asciilifeform mno.
14:22 ag3nt_zer0 if its in a bob marley song maybe
14:24 ben_vulpes asciilifeform: politely telling me to take my patches and go home?
14:24 asciilifeform ben_vulpes: not really. just that you are wasting brain cycles on puzzling out the peculiarities of my proggy
14:24 asciilifeform could almost certainly come up with a cleaner one if you just took the algo and wrote own
14:25 ag3nt_zer0 asciilifeform: I am pretty sure I ended up at http://cluborlov.blogspot.com due to you referencing the unspell project... do you have any more leads on smart blogs for geopolitics/economics etc?
14:25 assbot ClubOrlov ... ( http://bit.ly/1g3YR6b )
14:25 ben_vulpes and just as certainly leave you complaining that things never get done unless you do them yourself.
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14:29 ag3nt_zer0 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZJzJmUGx5oM
14:29 assbot Beck - Cycle + Morning - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1O6Gv2s )
14:30 * trinque spends weeks on a song in Renoise to find it wont export WAVs
14:30 trinque ACK, MOTHERLAAAAND
14:32 ag3nt_zer0 trinque: you write music? cool!
14:32 ag3nt_zer0 published any tracks
14:32 ag3nt_zer0 ?
14:33 trinque nah, if I ever get this one to export maybe I'll throw on the www
14:33 trinque but I'm solidly in the hobbyist category
14:33 trinque this might be the first one I'm at all pleased with
14:39 ag3nt_zer0 on another topic, I wonder is there anything a programming illiterate, or super noob relative to the experience level in here, can do to make himself useful to the ongoing labors of this group?
14:41 kakobrekla lets turn this around, what _can_ you do?
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14:41 jurov ag3nt_zer0: there's qntra, for example
14:41 BingoBoingo ^
14:42 deedbot- [Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski » Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski] Mommy bloggers unite! - http://www.contravex.com/2015/09/06/mommy-bloggers-unite/
14:46 trinque ag3nt_zer0: should you wanna take care of that literacy, I've got a chick going through that interactive SICP, seems to be working out for her
14:46 trinque she also made it through mod6's gentoo guide
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14:46 ag3nt_zer0 kakobrekla: well I used to think I was a decent wordsmith until I stumbled onto trilema contravex and loperos haha... but yeah perhaps qntra is something to aspire to contribute to...
14:47 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15400 @ 0.00073773 = 11.361 BTC [+] {3}
14:47 trinque ag3nt_zer0: heh, ego solvent, this place is, eh?
14:47 ag3nt_zer0 sure at times
14:48 trinque but better to know yourself and improve
14:48 ag3nt_zer0 anything worth its salt is usually
14:52 ag3nt_zer0 trinque: thanks looking at SICP
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15:32 BingoBoingo !up andychase
15:32 andychase Hey BingoBoingo! Copying&Pasting my email now:
15:32 andychase I read your article called "Chain Fork Reveals BIP Process Broken" and I was wondering what your thoughts might be on my recent [BIP/Draft] Committee-based BIP Acceptance Process proposal.
15:32 andychase Although to be honest I had a hard time understanding fully what you were talking about in regards to the flaws in the BIP process. Was it just that the Core Devs hadn't really talked to the miners or understood what was going on?
15:32 andychase -Andy
15:33 BingoBoingo https://gist.github.com/andychase/dddb83c294295879308b << This proposal?
15:33 assbot [BIP/Draft] Committee-based BIP Acceptance Process [Dev] · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1JZNMPO )
15:33 andychase Yeah, that's the one
15:34 BingoBoingo Honestly it is really too late for further BIPs to really be considered at all
15:35 andychase Hm, what do you mean? There's quite a few being considered right now and all the time.
15:37 BingoBoingo Sure, but the least controversial one (BIP 66) still created a huge shitshow when it was triggered.
15:38 mats how do you define stake anyway
15:39 andychase Well BIP66 fixed a consensus fork for miners running 32-Bit and 64-Bit computers, the shitshow happened because miners weren't validating blocks
15:39 andychase @mats: For which segment?
15:40 BingoBoingo andychase: But the fix in BIP 66 was the least controversial thing in the world and it was a very difficult change because Bitcoin is an actual consensus system.
15:41 mats 'stake in the Bitcoin ecosystem' seems written specifically not to mean anything useful
15:41 BingoBoingo If the BIP to enforce stricter signature encoding standards nearly failed, how is any other BIP to succeed now?
15:41 andychase @mats: For miners it means hashpower
15:41 andychase @mats: Users it means userbase
15:41 andychase @mats: Merchants it means economic activity
15:42 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14800 @ 0.00072986 = 10.8019 BTC [-] {2}
15:42 mats how about: sign an address with 145,830 coins and maybe you actually have a stake
15:42 andychase That's "vote by how much money you have"
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15:42 andychase but for merchants that might work, if they'd be up to reaching into their cold wallets
15:43 andychase @bingoboingo: The BIP66 change was easy to "fix", just upgrade your clients and make sure a majority is upgrading before activating
15:43 asciilifeform upgrade ahahahahahaha lol
15:43 asciilifeform andychase: we piss on the 'core devs' here.
15:43 asciilifeform and their idiot client.
15:44 shinohai That statement caused me to eject beer from my nose ....
15:44 shinohai "upgrade"
15:44 mats how many 'oops' hard forks are we up to now? three?
15:44 andychase I think you guys know what I meant :) You can upgrade your btcd client the same way to recieve the BIP66 changes
15:44 BingoBoingo mats: Do the several BIP 66 forks all count as one, or do we have to go back and count them all
15:45 mats eye of the beholder and all that
15:45 BingoBoingo ANd seriously what the fuck is an "upgrade"
15:45 andychase raise (something) to a higher standard, in particular improve (equipment or machinery) by adding or replacing components.
15:45 asciilifeform andychase: therealbitcoin.org -- ~20kloc and shrinking.
15:46 andychase yeah so in your case an upgrade would be replacing components, raising the satoshi client to a higher standard
15:47 asciilifeform andychase: this pointedly does not include adding any subcomponent where gavin, hearn, & co had any say in making.
15:47 BingoBoingo andychase: http://thebitcoin.foundation/
15:47 assbot ..::[ The Bitcoin Foundation ]::.. ... ( http://bit.ly/1JZPY9X )
15:47 asciilifeform andychase: see also http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-July/000115.html
15:48 assbot [BTC-dev] bip66 resolution criteria (corrected) ... ( http://bit.ly/1JZPZdW )
15:48 asciilifeform take them 'upgrades' and stow'em.
15:48 asciilifeform direct inquiries as to ~where~ to stow'em, to mircea_popescu et al.
15:48 asciilifeform iirc he has some good illustrated diagrams.
15:49 shinohai Speak of teh devil ...
15:49 andychase I feel like we've gone a bit off topic a bit. I'd love to hear your opinions on a system for reviewing and indicating full approval on changes to the Bitcoin protocol
15:49 andychase currently the system is the core devs decide
15:50 mats core devs don't decide anything.
15:50 mircea_popescu and how's myfavourite cult this fine morning ?
15:50 andychase well for bips, they decide, and other clients like btcd take their bips into consideration
15:51 andychase I'd like to take that kind of system and move it up so a community like this one can make their opinion validated as part of the process for improving bitcoin
15:51 mircea_popescu you'd what ?
15:51 shinohai "make their opinion validated"
15:52 andychase Basically make your opinion matter by proving that you aren't sock puppet accounts and are actually unique and valuable memebers of the Bitcoin ecosystem
15:52 shinohai I have been so worried all this time that our opinion would never be validated.
15:52 andychase opinion matter more*
15:52 asciilifeform komyoooonitiiiii111111!
15:53 shinohai I think WoT proves we are each unique and valuable members of the community
15:53 * asciilifeform maxed dosimeter, off to meatspace for rest of the day
15:53 andychase If that's true then great, I'd like to take that form of validation and put it into a formal process that can be used for approving or rejecting changes to Bitcoin
15:53 mircea_popescu who are you exactly andychase ?
15:54 andychase I'm a freelance software developer from Oregon
15:54 andychase also reddit.com/u/tytyty_ on reddit
15:54 andychase github.com/andychase
15:54 shinohai !gettrust andychase
15:54 assbot andychase is not registered in WoT.
15:55 shinohai https://j.ludost.net/blog/archives/2015/09/05/rfc-2631_fips_186-3_and_openssls_implementation_of_dsa_appear_broken_and_possibly_backdoored/index.html
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15:55 assbot RFC-2631, fips 186-3 and openssl's implementation of DSAappear broken (and possibly backdoored) | ___ ... ( http://bit.ly/1JZR59A )
15:55 mircea_popescu andychase https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nuvPhAuQFD4
15:55 assbot Griffin Dunne v Dennis Hopper (Search and Destroy, 1995) - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1fJ8J5p )
15:55 mircea_popescu !down andychase
15:55 mircea_popescu and thank you mr scorsese.
16:03 ag3nt_zer0 "A patent example of the classic contradiction in question here—a contradiction characterizing for the most part all modern thought—is provided by existentialism, which postulates a definition of the world that is impossible if existentialism itself is possible. There are only two alternatives: either objective knowledge—a knowledge that is therefore absolute in its own order—is possible, which proves that existen
16:03 ag3nt_zer0 then its own promulgation is impossible since in the existentialist universe there is no room for an objective and unwavering intellection."
16:03 mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-09-2015#1263876 << dude this guy, https://igcdn-photos-b-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xaf1/t51.2885-15/s640x640/sh0.08/e35/11849818_393733814153193_1214647642_n.jpg https://igcdn-photos-b-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xaf1/t51.2885-15/s640x640/sh0.08/e35/11849818_393733814153193_1214647642_n.jpg
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16:03 assbot Logged on 06-09-2015 08:38:05; punkman: https://instagram.com/tokyofashion/
16:03 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1JZi80p )
16:03 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1JZi80p )
16:03 mircea_popescu i wanna meet him.
16:04 mircea_popescu hey most intelligent person in japan, that were on tokyofashion thingee, drop a line.
16:04 mircea_popescu ag3nt_zer0 which illiterate murican fail to understand stuff written in french through the age old process of not being able to read it ?
16:06 ag3nt_zer0 which? sorry I don't follow... good day btw
16:07 mircea_popescu who said the thing you quoted ?
16:08 ag3nt_zer0 Schuon: http://www.studiesincomparativereligion.com/Public/articles/The_Contradiction_of_Relativism-by_Frithjof_Schuon.aspx
16:08 assbot "The Contradiction of Relativism" - an essay by Frithjof Schuon ... ( http://bit.ly/1O6FDuy )
16:08 ag3nt_zer0 likely originally in French...
16:08 mircea_popescu well he totally missed it and doesn't even have the excuse of not speaking the language.
16:09 ag3nt_zer0 have you ever read him?
16:10 mircea_popescu mno.
16:10 mircea_popescu but the quote you presented disqualifies him from discussing sartre.
16:10 ag3nt_zer0 from my perspective, which may or may not matter, he doesn't seem to be one to be lightly dismissed
16:11 ag3nt_zer0 he's right up there with evola and guenon
16:11 mircea_popescu for the following reason : existentialism is the first (and the most logically successful) of the "postmodernisms", taken eventually to their extreme lolzitude by lacan and his unselfaware progeny in the us ("radical feminists" and whatnot).
16:11 mircea_popescu what this means in easily digestible terms among software people is that existentialism is a class.
16:12 mircea_popescu this means you can not use symbols such as "contradiction" without havind properly defined an existentialism.contradiction constructor in the very group.
16:12 mircea_popescu lest you come out with garbage.
16:12 mircea_popescu he doesn't seem aware of this.
16:12 ag3nt_zer0 hmmm maybe I would do better to not post a quote out of context
16:13 mircea_popescu up to you :)
16:13 mircea_popescu but the behaviour would seem to indicate ~you~ think he's easily dismissed.
16:13 ag3nt_zer0 not at all
16:13 mircea_popescu quoting properly is more complicated than it seems.
16:14 ag3nt_zer0 my entire reason for posting links to this material is that I find it hard to dismiss - hoping that some of the minds in here might check out the longforms and tell me what they think...
16:14 mircea_popescu anyway, fwiw, i don't readily see a way to construct this "existentialism is fail because its idea of reality precludes itself" into meaningful criticism.
16:14 mircea_popescu this is a uniquely poor strategy.
16:15 mircea_popescu all it can conceivably achieve is form minor dismissals in the minds here that hadn't prior bothered to consider
16:17 ag3nt_zer0 mircea_popescu: if frithjof schuon is illiterate then I must be less than a dog
16:18 * mircea_popescu wasn't there, hasn't seen, everyone on internet ~= dog.
16:19 mircea_popescu i'm a perfectly illiterate chinese scholar, for that matter.
16:19 mircea_popescu kinda why like bombama, i abstain from "oh china is self contradictory" emissions.
16:19 mircea_popescu s/like/unlike/
16:23 mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-09-2015#1263914 << well, less is probably a bridge to far. equally might also be. but i do maintain software can't be MUCH MORE friable than the hardware upon it runs. and i dun think alf disagrees with that much either.
16:23 assbot Logged on 06-09-2015 12:25:05; ben_vulpes: ;;later tell vextor phuctor has had mains plugs pulled on it several times recenty, and alf's attitude (i believe) is that the thing shoudn't run if its going to have its memory ripped out every time it warms up. remember, it keeps the running product in memory. mircea_popescu's attitude is that "software should be less friable than the hardware upon which it runs". asciilifeform is trying to find the sh
16:23 mircea_popescu !up anton_osika
16:27 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20087 @ 0.00072517 = 14.5665 BTC [-] {2}
16:28 mircea_popescu !up anton_osika
16:29 anton_osika Hello guys, I am having issues with phunctor as you might have guessed.
16:29 anton_osika I got my hands cut off so I cannot make signatures; laptop stolen and broken backup. Got any tips for me?
16:29 punkman test backups next time ;)
16:30 mircea_popescu how are these two related ?
16:30 shinohai Use your feet to pull the trigger on the shotgun.
16:30 anton_osika The hands or the two files?
16:30 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29410 @ 0.00073442 = 21.5993 BTC [+] {5}
16:30 mircea_popescu win. https://igcdn-photos-c-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xaf1/t51.2885-15/e15/11353513_870135393073866_1385626694_n.jpg
16:30 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1JZkpsA )
16:31 anton_osika shinohai: Thank you for the tip.
16:33 mircea_popescu anton_osika your poor backup policies and phuctor.
16:33 punkman wants to test new key perhaps?
16:34 anton_osika I do have ultimate respect for the WoT. Hence I want to have a valid keypair for communicating with goodfellas here.
16:35 mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-09-2015#1263949 << absolutely.
16:35 assbot Logged on 06-09-2015 15:57:46; asciilifeform: (undetectable bit rot is MUCH WORSE than the idling it does right now)
16:35 shinohai You're welcome anton_osika my advice is free on Sundays :D
16:36 mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-09-2015#1263952 << understand, there's no hardware solution to this problem. you may make the probability less, but the only path to certainty is checking.
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16:36 assbot Logged on 06-09-2015 16:01:36; asciilifeform: with internal battery.
16:36 * punkman punkman wants to hear more about defending against bitrot
16:37 anton_osika shinohai: Excellent. Could you also advice me on how to successfully invite mircea_popescu for dinner at my home in Stockholm?
16:38 shinohai I suppose the same way you would ask any gentleman to dinner.
16:38 shinohai Als, the fail is strong in this one:
16:38 shinohai https://github.com/jumacro/Resty/blob/ac145f7551bf1a118169fff37592a09f401e2a74/server/Components/Email.js
16:38 assbot Resty/Email.js at ac145f7551bf1a118169fff37592a09f401e2a74 · jumacro/Resty · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1NWxcTu )
16:41 punkman shinohai, whole commit is peppered with credentials to various systems
16:42 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11000 @ 0.00073215 = 8.0537 BTC [-]
16:42 mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-09-2015#1263954 << 188.68.240.159 is also online, running pressed stator.
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16:42 assbot Logged on 06-09-2015 16:07:45; asciilifeform: this means that at present time there is EXACTLY ONE reliable public therealbitcoin node - zoolag.
16:43 mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-09-2015#1263966 << the only solutions is slavegirls.
16:43 assbot Logged on 06-09-2015 16:14:41; kakobrekla: but, no time.
16:43 mircea_popescu im not even talking one exceptionally well trained gf. that won't cut it.
16:43 mircea_popescu need a dozen, in various stages of coalescence.
16:44 punkman https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ptOJ33u1bQ
16:44 assbot Hermeto Pascoal - Slaves Mass (1977) - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1NWxDgG )
16:45 anton_osika mircea_popescu: I liked your piece on formalised identity based trust system (WoT). Are there any attempts at extending it to our physical existances such as property?
16:48 punkman !rate backyard 9 it makes fruit?
16:48 assbot backyard is not registered in WoT.
16:49 shinohai xD
16:49 shinohai !rate DatAss 1 Because ... dat ass
16:49 assbot DatAss is not registered in WoT.
16:50 shinohai bbl
16:50 punkman well if you own dat ass, it can get in wot
16:52 shinohai I'll have her come register later when I'm done blowing it up.
16:53 anton_osika My situation as of now is that there is nothing to strictly verify a former fingerprint. However I am the unique holder of the name AntonOsika in Sweden, publicly registered with physical address, so you if you are passing by please find me and I would provide generous housing.
16:54 punkman register with new fingerprint, nobody knew the old one anyway
16:57 anton_osika Well I believe mircea_popescu would honor a contract where the couterparty has no competition at identifying himself. It would be pleasant to extend the notion of trust to identity in the physical domain however.
17:01 punkman !up anton_osika
17:03 mircea_popescu anton_osika what part of property do you imagine is physical ?
17:03 anton_osika Land for example.
17:03 anton_osika Not much else.
17:04 mircea_popescu how is your property of land physical.
17:04 mircea_popescu punkman also https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D6JN0l7A_mE
17:04 assbot Nabucco - Hebrew Slaves Chorus - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1NWzl1E )
17:04 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6800 @ 0.0007251 = 4.9307 BTC [-] {2}
17:08 anton_osika Well ownership is nothing physical but the underlying. What arguably makes land different is that one can lets ones physical embodiment be placed on the land, and this can be recognised / unchallenged by others
17:08 mod6 ;;tslb
17:08 gribble Time since last block: 56 minutes and 56 seconds
17:10 mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-09-2015#1263972 << add to that, "never use known file extensions".
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17:10 assbot Logged on 06-09-2015 16:39:54; ben_vulpes: what are best practices with the mailing list again?
17:10 mircea_popescu fucking subtle undebuggable bullshit, "oh we figured out you're using something of ours, here, it's broken now"
17:12 mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-09-2015#1263999 / /me is popcorning along.
17:12 assbot Logged on 06-09-2015 16:59:13; asciilifeform: ben_vulpes is right about c_wot
17:13 anton_osika punkman: Thanks for the concern about fingerprint. The issue is this: http://pastebin.com/NbPrZS9A
17:13 assbot -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA512 Future Delivery Contract Fo - Pastebin.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1QiQ39M )
17:14 mircea_popescu these fucking idiots. so eulora is based on modifying work by others. those others have done the following thing : the dialogue of a npc is contained in a table. that table has fields. those fields are "reply 1" "reply 2" and so up to 5. why to 5 ?
17:14 mircea_popescu BECAUSE IT IS A RULE OF THE UNIVERSE THAT ALL THINGS HAVE 5 REPLIES!!1
17:14 mircea_popescu this is how you use databases now, by counting the fucking fileds.
17:14 thestringpuller planeshift?
17:15 punkman mircea_popescu: very common with mysql folks
17:15 mircea_popescu field1, field2 and who the fuck was responsible with raping these idiots as 5yo and discarding the bloodied remains in a ditch did a horrible job
17:15 mircea_popescu the same thing is observed not just here, but THROUGHOUT
17:15 mircea_popescu and is not limited to the db. here, have a magic number in code, because THAT IS WHAT CODE IS FOR!11
17:15 thestringpuller Yea Planeshift has a lot of quirks like that.
17:15 mircea_popescu quirks ?
17:15 mircea_popescu these aren't "quirks"
17:16 mircea_popescu these are the unfortunate results downstream of insufficient five year olds being raped to death and discarded in a ditch.
17:16 thestringpuller P. much.
17:17 anton_osika antonosika has to sign a document stating the location of delivery. He however involuntarily lost his hands. So he can't sign documents anymore.
17:17 anton_osika That's why I'm harassing mircea_popescu until I make him smile.
17:18 anton_osika So long. Thanks for the voice until I can become friends with phunctor.
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17:19 anton_osika And again, my physical embodiment is openly registered, if you are in the neighbourhood mircea_popescu. And I might not be as dumb as it seems from the backup policies ..
17:20 mircea_popescu im in fucking buenos aires
17:20 mircea_popescu what neighbourhood ?
17:21 * mircea_popescu is still raging over the db thing. who the fuck does this. who the fuck makes labels for items in a database WITH THEIR OWN BAKED IN INDEXES!
17:21 mircea_popescu the moment you go to write "field"+number you should fucking realise YOU ARE DOING IT WRONG.
17:21 mircea_popescu compeletely, utterly wrong from hell.
17:21 punkman mircea_popescu: just curious if this clause "and that ETH trades on a reputable exchange in total value of at least 100 BTC prior to the date of delivery" would be fulfilled by Poloniex, Kraken or any other exchange listed at http://coinmarketcap.com/currencies/ethereum/#markets
17:21 assbot Ethereum (ETH) price, charts, and info | Crypto-Currency Market Capitalizations ... ( http://bit.ly/1NWB4nG )
17:22 mircea_popescu punkman where's that clause from ?
17:22 punkman anton_osika's ETH contract
17:23 mircea_popescu link or something ?
17:23 punkman http://pastebin.com/NbPrZS9A
17:23 assbot -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA512 Future Delivery Contract Fo - Pastebin.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1QiQ39M )
17:24 mircea_popescu ah, that. he never fulfilled his obligations under it iirc.
17:24 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6200 @ 0.0007251 = 4.4956 BTC [-]
17:25 mircea_popescu o nm, he actualy did
17:26 mircea_popescu https://blockchain.info/tx/2d1ed3f47a6ec0194d8855eec37c252506203ef7d6f5643bba17f7c244a45b00
17:26 assbot Bitcoin Transaction 2d1ed3f47a6ec0194d8855eec37c252506203ef7d6f5643bba17f7c244a45b00 ... ( http://bit.ly/1NWBhHu )
17:26 mircea_popescu so wait, what happened here is i just profited 3 btc off this guy's backup failure ?!
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17:27 thestringpuller "Fellow miners, Some of you receive emails and phone calls from developers. I am not big enough to get that treatment." << LOL. And this is why you side with BIP-101
17:27 mircea_popescu ;;calc 0.00541072 * 15000
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17:27 gribble 81.1608
17:28 punkman poor anton
17:28 mircea_popescu that's a valuable laptop.
17:30 punkman should have generated ETH address to put in contract
17:30 thestringpuller http://www.coindesk.com/bitcoin-venture-capital/ << oh look at that.
17:30 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19850 @ 0.00073529 = 14.5955 BTC [+] {3}
17:32 mircea_popescu punkman at the time you cou;dn't have.
17:34 punkman I think they had published enough code then and they had some stupid application for direct buyers
17:42 mircea_popescu not iirc.
17:42 punkman PSA: print your ascii-armored keys out. don't use a xerox.
17:43 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23000 @ 0.00073791 = 16.9719 BTC [+]
17:43 mircea_popescu lol
17:44 mircea_popescu the one point nobody seems to have noticed re that : use mp style fonts (14 point bold) you won't have a problem.
17:44 mircea_popescu use shitass cheapo "businessman" 8 pt thin sans, you're asking to be fucked.
17:47 mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-09-2015#1264012 << why would either work ?!
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17:47 assbot Logged on 06-09-2015 17:05:49; asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: btw i find it interesting that nobody has yet noticed that 1) broken chains 2) orphaned subchains of any length whatsoever --- do not work
17:50 mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-09-2015#1264041 << it's open source right ? that means people can come later and fix it so it works as it should, right ?
17:50 assbot Logged on 06-09-2015 17:17:54; asciilifeform: i was not able to find how to enforce level stepping in it.
17:50 mircea_popescu SOFTWARE PARADIGM!!11
17:51 mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-09-2015#1264046 << occasionally.
17:51 assbot Logged on 06-09-2015 17:35:40; asciilifeform: has anyone here ever actually managed to buy, something other than coin or fiat, there /
17:52 mircea_popescu but more of a fleamarket thing than an electronics supply shop thing
17:56 BingoBoingo !up ufoinc__
17:59 BingoBoingo https://archive.is/P4wMn << the butthurt
17:59 assbot amheekin comments on Cookie Monsters!!! ...and other stuff I've baked. ... ( http://bit.ly/1JKDEHh )
17:59 mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-09-2015#1264067 << it occurs to me that if we're going to do this, we might as well do it on assbot otc.
17:59 assbot Logged on 06-09-2015 18:01:41; asciilifeform: ;;gpg eauth asciilifeform
18:00 punkman mircea_popescu: orphaned is not the right word there, consider that if the last two patches in your V set create two branches, you can't choose a branch. V will try to apply both and doesn't check filehashes during the patching process.
18:00 mircea_popescu moreover, something like this might actually be a perfect solution for my marketplace idea too. i wanna buy all sorts of things like 3d models etc.
18:00 mircea_popescu punkman this dawned on me presently. ouch.
18:01 mircea_popescu btw punkman would you be interested in implementing a otc-marketplace clone ?
18:01 ag3nt_zer0 http://www.forbes.com/sites/nealegodfrey/2015/09/06/how-stupid-can-you-be-with-money-ask-lottery-winners/
18:01 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1JKDQGh )
18:01 ag3nt_zer0 "Jack Whittaker won $315 million and ten years later, his daughter and granddaughter had both died of drug overdoses, his wife divorced him, and once while in a strip club, he was drugged and robbed of $545,000 in cash"
18:02 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 41833 @ 0.00073801 = 30.8732 BTC [+] {3}
18:02 mircea_popescu ag3nt_zer0 to my eyes this is more a failure of western society than of whittaker himself.
18:02 mircea_popescu i can readily believe that most of the problem was, jack fully expected to be able to BUY THINGS FOR HIS MONEY.
18:02 ag3nt_zer0 yeah?
18:03 mircea_popescu whereas this is not "how the world works"
18:03 mircea_popescu he can "win" 315 mn, but he sure as fuck may not turn that into 1mn turkeys.
18:04 mircea_popescu the notion that you'd take as much as 500 bucks to a us strip club...
18:04 mircea_popescu seriously, at that level of service they should be paying you to even go.
18:04 punkman mircea_popescu: sure, but can't sysadmin the box it lives on (and don't want to fight ddos other than making application cache better and whatnot)
18:04 mircea_popescu it's more work to be a us strip club customer than to work there.
18:05 mircea_popescu punkman this approach is fundamentally at odds with the "lord over a domain" concept of software development prevalent here.
18:07 mircea_popescu however! it occurs to me this actually would work splendidly with deeds.
18:07 ag3nt_zer0 mircea_popescu: what do you mean by this? "he can "win" 315 mn, but he sure as fuck may not turn that into 1mn turkeys."
18:08 mircea_popescu trinque listen, would you consider creating a special deed template, which if satisfied gets taken to amarketplace listing sort-of like otc ? searchable is the important part.
18:08 trinque yeah, that doesn't sound too hard
18:08 mircea_popescu ag3nt_zer0 http://trilema.com/2012/lets-dig-a-little-deeper-into-this-entire-deflation-problem/#selection-99.19-103.20
18:08 assbot Let's dig a little deeper into this entire deflation "problem" on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1KUTdAo )
18:08 mircea_popescu trinque one second drawing mockup
18:10 trinque may require freedom-of-speech friendly hosting, depending on what's bought and sold
18:10 trinque currently on McAWS
18:11 kakobrekla speaking of searchable, current deeds are not if im correct?
18:11 trinque correct; haven't done that yet
18:12 trinque so far it's a single page; though this marketplace will likely call for a db
18:12 trinque I will probably still take the flat file approach otherwise; I prefer it
18:14 mircea_popescu trinque http://dpaste.com/3SYPFEM
18:14 assbot dpaste: 3SYPFEM ... ( http://bit.ly/1JKFfNd )
18:16 trinque mircea_popescu: very easy to implement.
18:16 mircea_popescu ikr?
18:16 trinque yeah sounds great. WoT needs a buy/sell board
18:17 mircea_popescu yeah. and i know i do.
18:17 trinque got a recommendation for non-aws hosting?
18:17 trinque I've wanted to move deedbot- off that for a while anyway
18:17 mats https://www.nearlyfreespeech.net
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18:17 assbot NearlyFreeSpeech.NET Web Hosting ... ( http://bit.ly/1JKFtnp )
18:18 trinque that'd work once I'm in Houston, as I'm moving my blockchains all onto my own network once there
18:18 * mircea_popescu looks through servers
18:18 trinque I don't suppose they'd offer enough space for one?
18:19 trinque oh, it looks like they in fact do offer a great deal of space
18:19 mircea_popescu trinque im full and before moving i wanna see if jurov actually comes through with something usable
18:19 trinque mats: experience with them?
18:19 trinque mircea_popescu: k
18:19 mircea_popescu but in principle you get free server.
18:20 mircea_popescu once you get the search engine for this, prolly can be applied to deeds too
18:20 mircea_popescu and after that we have a backup in case logs need it
18:20 trinque yep, can be something like categories for particular deeds maybe, this being a "buy/sell"
18:21 mircea_popescu but re the "depending on what's bought and sold", i personally have no qualms whatsoever with negrating into the ground folks who put shit in the board.
18:21 mats trinque: good support, used em a decade ago to host ecommerce sites
18:21 trinque yeah I'd just prefer the 10lb heroin happen on someone else's ass, til I move to the barge
18:21 mats i still hear good things about them on the interwebs so i think they've maintained quality since
18:22 trinque mats: cool
18:22 mats in fact i think alf does?
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18:22 BingoBoingo <trinque> yeah I'd just prefer the 10lb heroin happen on someone else's ass, til I move to the barge << Part of the point of a WoT is keeping out people who's publically list such a thing
18:22 trinque indeed.
18:22 pete_dushenski asciilifeform: unless you already have dark market connex, you might have to wait for mircea_popescu/trinque's new buy/sell board ;)
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18:23 trinque o what trolling have I brought upon meself
18:23 mircea_popescu !rated trinque
18:23 assbot You rated user trinque on 17-Oct-2014, with a rating of 3, and supplied these additional notes: Nice work on the deedbot.
18:23 trinque anyhow, sounds like a great idea; I will start hacking on it in spare cycles
18:24 punkman mircea_popescu: punkman this approach is fundamentally at odds with the "lord over a domain" concept of software development prevalent here. << myeah, last attempt didn't work out too well, and I'd rather make my yearly sysadmining allotment shrink than grow
18:24 funkenstein_ asciilifeform, what planet would you prefer to live on?
18:24 mircea_popescu retiring eh ?
18:24 punkman one can aspire
18:24 mircea_popescu yeah, aspies.
18:24 funkenstein_ trinque, lol. no, I said no "shouldas". The exercise is to learn from history. But since you mention it, how about alexander the great conquering the new world instead of retarded puritan rejects?
18:25 mircea_popescu what exactly do you like about alex ?
18:25 punkman says "great" on the tin
18:26 mircea_popescu i suspek so, buyt hey, let the man stand on his words.
18:26 trinque !b 3
18:26 assbot Last 3 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/28WSR5K.txt )
18:26 trinque d'oh
18:26 mircea_popescu lol
18:26 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12400 @ 0.0007375 = 9.145 BTC [-] {3}
18:27 trinque funkenstein_: my point was that you are seeing value in people who could not defend themselves. seems to me that's a prerequisite of being valuable in any other way.
18:27 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16800 @ 0.00072673 = 12.2091 BTC [-] {4}
18:29 funkenstein_ women and children for example
18:29 funkenstein_ programmers in the boxing ring
18:29 trinque or what, if aliens landed, you think they'd want some kind of cultural exchange, rather than to scrape whatever they like out of the earth's crust and ocean, then depart?
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18:29 mircea_popescu wait, what ?
18:29 mircea_popescu women and children can't defend themselves ?
18:30 mircea_popescu how come in every fucking conflict it's the men that dioe and the women that survive ?
18:30 funkenstein_ well not the conflict we were discussing
18:30 mircea_popescu orly.
18:30 trinque looks from the faces of south americans that some did survive...
18:30 mircea_popescu i suppose the reason mexicans today are short stocky dwarves is that the spanish mutated.
18:30 trinque heh!
18:30 funkenstein_ trinque, very important point thank you
18:31 mircea_popescu incidentally /me hates that trait more than any other.
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18:31 fluffypony https://i.imgur.com/jwB2ONv.jpg
18:31 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1JKGtb4 )
18:31 pete_dushenski ;;later tell asciilifeform also, 'order id 22472' would indicate that you have more available btc than rothschilds. who's poor now ? (and yes, i understand that no one will ever actually offer you 'taig' via -otc)
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18:31 gribble The operation succeeded.
18:32 pete_dushenski http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-09-2015#1264213 << all day. i noticed this guy for 'y-3' hoodie
18:32 assbot Logged on 06-09-2015 20:03:46; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-09-2015#1263876 << dude this guy, https://igcdn-photos-b-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xaf1/t51.2885-15/s640x640/sh0.08/e35/11849818_393733814153193_1214647642_n.jpg https://igcdn-photos-b-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xaf1/t51.2885-15/s640x640/sh0.08/e35/11849818_393733814153193_1214647642_n.jpg
18:33 pete_dushenski y-3 was my favourite clothing brand, once upon a time when i cared about such things. ideal collision of sportiness, haute fashion, japaneseness, and obscure brand cachet
18:33 pete_dushenski i still have a y-3 hoodie and basketball jersey in my closet
18:34 pete_dushenski the y-3 'football cleats' were possibly the coolest shoes i ever owned. easily my all-time faves.
18:34 mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-09-2015#1264110 << by the zing ye shall know the zinger.
18:34 assbot Logged on 06-09-2015 18:25:54; ben_vulpes: and just as certainly leave you complaining that things never get done unless you do them yourself.
18:35 mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-09-2015#1264122 << kako very much has it. do not ask to ask, just ask. what can you do ?
18:35 assbot Logged on 06-09-2015 18:41:35; kakobrekla: lets turn this around, what _can_ you do?
18:36 mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-09-2015#1264127 << wedding ?
18:36 assbot Logged on 06-09-2015 18:46:34; trinque: she also made it through mod6's gentoo guide
18:36 funkenstein_ http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-09-2015#1263694 <- sorry to be that log reader but I'd like to know wtf this means
18:36 assbot Logged on 06-09-2015 04:42:06; mircea_popescu: must kill because can.
18:37 mircea_popescu !s if you can you must
18:37 assbot 33 results for 'if you can you must' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=if+you+can+you+must
18:37 mircea_popescu see ?
18:37 funkenstein_ so shall I program because I can?
18:37 mircea_popescu see also http://trilema.com/2013/the-corn-thing/
18:37 assbot The corn thing on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1JKGRX2 )
18:37 punkman funkenstein_: inevitably
18:37 mircea_popescu funkenstein_ you might misjudge your can on that score.
18:38 mircea_popescu yes, if you actually could, you inescapably would be.
18:38 funkenstein_ because I was under the impression you were encouraging us to have direction and intent in our efforts
18:38 mircea_popescu actual rather than putative, tho.
18:38 trinque mircea_popescu: nah, she's got a few screws loose and doesn't see fit to let me handle 'em with a screwdriver
18:38 trinque bad jurisdiction
18:39 trinque :p
18:39 mircea_popescu lol
18:39 mircea_popescu is she getting wotroduced ?
18:39 trinque neh, she can find her own way here if she does
18:39 mircea_popescu what's this your sister or something ?
18:39 trinque nah, ex
18:39 mircea_popescu worse huh :D
18:39 * trinque leaves a trail of productive women behind him
18:40 mircea_popescu why leave ? why not just you know, have them love each other.
18:40 mircea_popescu then you won't be able to leave the house anymore.
18:40 mircea_popescu like kakobrekla
18:40 trinque culturally retarded is why
18:40 funkenstein_ http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-09-2015#1264159 <-- http://coin-vote.com/poll/55e8a33299baadff0a34acb7
18:40 assbot Logged on 06-09-2015 19:42:24; andychase: That's "vote by how much money you have"
18:40 assbot Coin-Vote ... ( http://bit.ly/1JKH3FZ )
18:40 funkenstein_ "built because could"
18:41 mircea_popescu aha.
18:41 pete_dushenski trinque: this same clinton voter girl ?
18:42 trinque nah that's a different one
18:42 pete_dushenski ah, what's this one's cultural retardation then ?
18:43 mircea_popescu what, a woman can'tr vote for clinton if she wants to now ?!
18:43 trinque to summarize, demanding equality while psychologically needing me to set the boundaries
18:43 trinque mircea_popescu: can vote however she likes; that's just a different chick
18:43 mircea_popescu dude if that's your criteria you've excluded a supermajority
18:43 mircea_popescu in the sense of > 100%
18:44 mircea_popescu but anyway, enough of this pestering guy into a discussion of things he didn't particularly care to discuss.
18:44 trinque heh
18:44 trinque I know others that rock my goddamn boat less, and get more done
18:44 btcdrak BIPCBBSRA is now BIP105
18:45 btcdrak funkenstein_
18:45 mircea_popescu i think longer amount of letter numbers is better bips
18:45 pete_dushenski oh more bips ?
18:45 pete_dushenski more 'debates' ?
18:45 funkenstein_ aha thanks
18:45 funkenstein_ gotta run sorry, i need a dozen like kakobrekla does - have a good weekend y'all
18:45 pete_dushenski 66 v. 100 v. 101 v. 105 v. your mom
18:46 funkenstein_ lol
18:46 btcdrak also, the question is sort of bogus. Blocksize does not help bitcoin scale.
18:46 pete_dushenski ya don't say
18:46 funkenstein_ good point..
18:46 punkman davout's BIP000 is the only credible choice
18:47 btcdrak the question needs to be something like "What is the best proposal for blocksize" or whatever
18:47 mircea_popescu btcdrak it is always easier to "rainse awareness" and "solve" problems you imagined than doing something useful.
18:47 btcdrak new altcoin idea: zeroblock.
18:49 pete_dushenski http://www.ebay.ca/itm/adidas-yohji-yamamoto-y-3-y3-football-shoes-sneakers-12-uk-/252059365142?hash=item3aafe8af16 << aforementioned dream sneakers, well-loved y-3 'football' shoes.
18:49 assbot Adidas Yohji Yamamoto Y 3 Y3 Football Shoes Sneakers 12 UK | eBay ... ( http://bit.ly/1JKHM9Y )
18:50 mircea_popescu anyway, /me is pretty well amused as to how the color revolution experts got color revolutioned up the ass, so hard their head's spinning.
18:50 mircea_popescu you hear that nuland ? you ain't got the resources to compete. not good enough.
18:51 mircea_popescu https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1162575.0;all << in that lulzvein. "the people" now creating proposals for voting mechanisms to score the proposals for blabla.
18:51 assbot Voting for block size increase proposals ... ( http://bit.ly/1JKHTT8 )
18:51 punkman bulldozer was totally the best color
18:52 mircea_popescu the entire decapitation of gavin thing, with its attendant disbelief on the enemy side and misallocation of resources/misinvestment of assets in dead pockets was such a major defeat for the usg, "the tikrit offensive"'s nothing compared.
18:54 mircea_popescu (but yes, i'm sure "if they really wanted to", meta-etc and so forth, things could have been very different bla bla)
18:54 pete_dushenski "next time" (tm)
18:56 pete_dushenski http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-09-2015#1264353 << lel. that's one way to win.
18:56 assbot Logged on 06-09-2015 21:26:48; mircea_popescu: so wait, what happened here is i just profited 3 btc off this guy's backup failure ?!
18:56 pete_dushenski "many ways to skin a cat"
19:01 mats http://as2914.net
19:01 assbot NTT Internet BGP Visualization ... ( http://bit.ly/1iqAhhE )
19:01 pete_dushenski !up refferedbyloper_
19:02 pete_dushenski !up refferedbyloper
19:03 mats why
19:07 mircea_popescu i dunno. oddly the stan brood never talks.
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19:09 mats vicious audience
19:09 mircea_popescu i guess sohuh
19:10 punkman what, two people showed up to ask about phuctor not working today
19:11 mircea_popescu i just meant the webirc link he has
19:11 mircea_popescu (i took mine out, because they fucktardedly started using javscript google captcha)
19:12 punkman google captcha: the only captcha that works, and only because google knows everyone
19:12 mircea_popescu works my foot.
19:20 mircea_popescu kakobrekla http://dpaste.com/1AJ9NGR plox
19:20 assbot dpaste: 1AJ9NGR ... ( http://bit.ly/1iqBrtA )
19:20 pete_dushenski "Here in Seattle, where the first stage of a $15-an-hour minimum wage law took effect in April, Ivar’s seafood restaurants switched to an all-inclusive menu. By raising prices 21 percent and ending tipping, Bob C. Donegan, the president and co-owner, calculated he could increase everyone’s wages." << welcome to japan. i guess the pearl harbour invasion stuck after all.
19:20 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18800 @ 0.00072579 = 13.6449 BTC [+] {3}
19:21 punkman what does the all-inclusive menu and no tipping add?
19:22 mircea_popescu nothing. who the fuck eats "all inclusive", waht is this, ivar's school cafeteria ?
19:22 pete_dushenski complete loss of the profit motive for the wait staff
19:24 kakobrekla mircea_popescu done
19:25 pete_dushenski "The No. 1 complaint from customers? The prohibition on tips. So while the menu still states that prices include service, the credit card slips now have a line that reads: “If you INSIST on leaving a tip, write it here.”" << mkay this is the icing on the stupid cake. at least in japan, leaving a tip is tantamount to slapping the server's mother with your flaccid cock.
19:25 pete_dushenski but in the united states of workerdignity, you can't leave a tip. unless you do.
19:26 pete_dushenski and of course, the server will still be tickled pink because that's the ~culture~
19:26 pete_dushenski you're supposed to tip in north america
19:26 pete_dushenski goddam socialists always trying to superimpose utopia and shove a square peg in a round hole
19:26 punkman tipping every single idiot seems quite strange to me
19:27 pete_dushenski you mean every server at every meal ? or kitchen staff ?
19:27 pete_dushenski because i agree that kitchen staff should take their salary and shut up
19:28 pete_dushenski though here, 'tip splitting' is the de facto food insdustry standard
19:28 pete_dushenski the kitchen always gets a cut, so a server might only see 3-4% of a 10% tip, so she won't be too pleased
19:29 pete_dushenski so 15-20% becomes 'acceptable' in their dumb heads
19:29 punkman you do a good job, or maybe your ass looked good, or I just felt like it, you get a tip
19:30 pete_dushenski to the point where i've seen credit card and debit card terminals that ask if you want to tip one of three pre-selected amounts : 15%, 20%, or 25%.
19:30 pete_dushenski i'm pretty sure there are even 20-25-30 ones about, which is lunacy on a stick
19:30 punkman lol
19:32 pete_dushenski nothing irks me quite like holier-than-thou bellboys though, once had one in nyc who flat-out rejected $2. "not enough". because 0>2 in his fucking sandfilled head
19:34 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 45593 @ 0.00073787 = 33.6417 BTC [+] {5}
19:39 mircea_popescu usistan not hungry enough.
19:40 punkman http://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2015/09/countries-difficult-visas-travel/403267/?single_page=true
19:40 assbot The Countries Where It's Most Difficult to Get a Visa - The Atlantic ... ( http://bit.ly/1iqColy )
19:41 pete_dushenski in my experience : brazil
19:41 pete_dushenski bbiab
19:42 mircea_popescu https://j.ludost.net/blog/archives/2015/09/05/rfc-2631_fips_186-3_and_openssls_implementation_of_dsa_appear_broken_and_possibly_backdoored/index.html << this probably needs a repost. via shinohai
19:42 assbot RFC-2631, fips 186-3 and openssl's implementation of DSAappear broken (and possibly backdoored) | ___ ... ( http://bit.ly/1JZR59A )
19:46 mircea_popescu ml also interesting for all the misdirection and denial work Peter Gutmann pgut001@cs.auckland.ac.nz sinks into the matter.
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19:47 mircea_popescu (cryptlib / gnupg 2.x guy)
19:55 shinohai I would be absolutely miserable working for a place like this: http://thenextweb.com/lifehacks/2015/09/05/what-it-means-to-build-a-culture-of-positivity/
19:55 assbot What it means to build a culture of positivity ... ( http://bit.ly/1iqD5LH )
19:56 punkman http://www.theregister.co.uk/2015/09/04/mozilla_firefox_bugzilla_leak/
19:56 assbot Hackers spent at least a year spying on Mozilla to discover Firefox security holes – and exploit them • The Register ... ( http://bit.ly/1iqD4HV )
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19:56 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13250 @ 0.00072481 = 9.6037 BTC [-] {3}
19:56 shinohai What kind of poppycock is that? Won't hire me if I have been negative online.
19:57 punkman "According to the FAQ, a total of 185 secret bugs leaked. Of those, Mozilla categorizes 53 as "severe vulnerabilities." The oldest of those went unpatched for 335 or more days"
19:58 punkman when do we start making a browser?
19:58 shinohai 335 days O.o
19:58 punkman well yeah they had important "Features" to work on first
19:59 shinohai I'd like a browser that doesn't break every time it updates every 3 days
19:59 jurov coinbr progress report: there's light in the end of tunnel, analysis of last two mixed up orders left
20:00 jurov that kind of bug one wonders how the whole thing worked at all
20:00 mats is it because multiple customers put orders in at the same time?
20:01 jurov and at the same price
20:02 jurov and trade between themselves :)
20:02 mats i guess it worked because i was the only one with any volume for the longest time
20:03 jurov not just that, mpex added a misfeature of randomly rejecting orders
20:03 jurov sometime during the recent lull
20:05 mats well, if its any consolation, there's a btc for your troubles when coinbr is up, i know you do a lot of pro bono work around here
20:06 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10550 @ 0.00072471 = 7.6457 BTC [-]
20:08 shinohai One day when I actually have btc I need someone to show me the ropes on coinbr
20:11 jurov http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-09-2015#1263473 << thx for thumbsup but this is not related to current situation
20:11 assbot Logged on 06-09-2015 00:33:21; Bingo_VACAY: Juriv seriously consider raising coinbr fees
20:12 oglafbot http://oglaf.com/penpals/
20:12 assbot Pen Pals ... ( http://bit.ly/1iqDRbA )
20:13 jurov monthly/withdrawal fees already cause enough friction, pple made themselves heard
20:13 jurov and the % .. maaybe someday
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20:14 BingoBoingo Ah, well
20:16 jurov http://hugelolcdn.com/i460/352391.jpg for all the niggaz
20:16 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1iqE1jk )
20:21 shinohai LOLZ jurov
20:22 BingoBoingo https://archive.is/eA9YX
20:22 assbot Start a 'Grease Bucket Challenge' to raise awareness about obesity. : CrazyIdeas ... ( http://bit.ly/1JZPyMn )
20:30 mircea_popescu lol pc frog
20:32 mircea_popescu <shinohai> What kind of poppycock is that? Won't hire me if I have been negative online. << it's not hiring as much as living wage layer two. do you want to be like the niggers, getting free pills and welfare checks ? that's living wage layer zero. move to the ghetto. are you instead happy with the minimum wage, tax rebates, etc bullshit ? that's layer one, move to suburbia.
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20:32 mircea_popescu however if you want the best of the best cafeteria food - that's level two! be positive online, move to san francisco!
20:32 mircea_popescu hiring in the traditional sense has no bearing on all this. it's "hiring", as in, usg "hires" you to lap up the welfare faucet drippings.
20:33 mircea_popescu on the plus side, you won't have any actual work to do, that sort where you could encounter and might have to overcome your own stupidity and general human limitations.
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20:34 mircea_popescu on the minus side, if you can do it for a year and not want to kill yourself every night, you'll know you're dumb. not even "not smart". outright dumb.
20:35 mircea_popescu <punkman> when do we start making a browser? << noty.
20:37 shinohai Ironically mircea_popescu, the hashbang guys wanted me to come to San Fran and work lol
20:38 mircea_popescu aha
20:39 shinohai I'd last about a week before I burnt the place down.
20:40 mircea_popescu but to be fair : i also won't hire them if they've been stupid online.
20:40 shinohai Or mybe I could sustain another workplace injury nd double my income.
20:41 mircea_popescu so it's just where the wall is drawn.
20:41 mircea_popescu either don't be stupid, if you can, or if you can't, then don't be negative. sorcerers in the celestial city. zombies in the zombie horde.
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20:41 mircea_popescu all things have a place and a place for all things.
20:43 shinohai True. ^
20:45 shinohai No one wants to be around someone that always projects negativity. But isn't there something to be said for honesty?
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20:46 shinohai If someone tells me my product sucks, and it genuinely sucks, perhaps I can use that feedback to not suck.
20:48 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23600 @ 0.00073841 = 17.4265 BTC [+] {3}
20:48 pete_dushenski shinohai: coincidentally, i just saw this http://www.nytimes.com/2015/09/06/business/smart-workers-seek-out-advice-study-suggests.html?src=me
20:48 assbot Log In - The New York Times ... ( http://bit.ly/1NkiSEy )
20:48 mircea_popescu that's not even the main point. the main point is that they abhor hierarchy, and want the world to be flat.
20:48 mircea_popescu negative reinforcement is what your superiors do, and they can't have any.
20:49 mircea_popescu so you know, if his product sucks tell him in such a way that it doesn't come out you're better than him, and he won't think you were "being negative"
20:50 mircea_popescu all this derpage to assuage the fears and terrors of the 14yo mind already... it's kinda sad.
20:53 pete_dushenski http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-09-2015#1264638 << 0.5% per trade is plenty.
20:53 assbot Logged on 07-09-2015 00:13:24; jurov: and the % .. maaybe someday
20:53 pete_dushenski dunno where BingoBoingo gets the idea that he's jurov's business development advisor now
20:55 * pete_dushenski is a contented coinbr customer, downtown factored in
20:55 shinohai I may be totally wrong, but I think it is foolhardy *not* to seek advice and varied viewpoints.
20:55 pete_dushenski downtime*
20:56 pete_dushenski shinohai: sure, but i didn't see jurov seeking advice here. maybe i missed this in the logs ?
20:56 pete_dushenski !s hashbang
20:56 assbot 5 results for 'hashbang' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=hashbang
20:57 * BingoBoingo just tossed out that suggestion
20:58 pete_dushenski the equivalent being jurov telling qntra to put up a paywall because "make more skrillz!"
20:58 pete_dushenski ;;ticker
20:58 gribble Bitfinex BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 242.36, Best ask: 242.37, Bid-ask spread: 0.01000, Last trade: 242.37, 24 hour volume: 20324.8238345, 24 hour low: 235.75, 24 hour high: 248.48, 24 hour vwap: None
20:58 BingoBoingo Would give that idea consideration
20:59 pete_dushenski not saying you wouldn't
20:59 mats i love drama
20:59 pete_dushenski and maybe someday, we'll live to see it
20:59 pete_dushenski mats: drama ? heh this little tickling ?
21:00 mats your mom
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21:00 shinohai https://i.imgur.com/PkBridv.jpg
21:00 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1NkjB8E )
21:02 pete_dushenski speaking of qntra, it's coming up on its first bday, neh ?
21:02 pete_dushenski october, wasn't it
21:03 BingoBoingo it is
21:03 pete_dushenski pretty sweet
21:04 pete_dushenski and s.qntr has gone from 0.00013514 to 0.00039 !!!
21:04 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14300 @ 0.00072881 = 10.422 BTC [-]
21:04 pete_dushenski http://www.btcalpha.com/mpex/stocks/s-qntr/
21:04 assbot S.QNTR Analysis - Btc Alpha ... ( http://bit.ly/1NkjY2Y )
21:07 pete_dushenski "Eugenie Bouchard has pulled out of the US Open with a concussion. TSN has learned that Bouchard sustained the injury on Friday night when she tripped while walking from the training room to room where the ice bath is located." << go canada ;/
21:08 shinohai Qntra ... Powered by the tears of reddit (tm)
21:11 pete_dushenski and truth !
21:18 pete_dushenski http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-09-2015#1264355 << if this doesn't encourage a few more kids to put their money where their mouths are, nothing will. now if they only had any money...
21:18 assbot Logged on 06-09-2015 21:27:29; mircea_popescu: ;;calc 0.00541072 * 15000
21:22 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7600 @ 0.00072881 = 5.539 BTC [-]
21:27 pete_dushenski bbl
21:36 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29155 @ 0.00073723 = 21.4939 BTC [+] {5}
21:42 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32000 @ 0.00073866 = 23.6371 BTC [+]
21:45 asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-09-2015#1264205 << win. where do i buy a ticket to the public impalement of the 'best practices' folks ?
21:45 assbot Logged on 06-09-2015 19:55:05; shinohai: https://j.ludost.net/blog/archives/2015/09/05/rfc-2631_fips_186-3_and_openssls_implementation_of_dsa_appear_broken_and_possibly_backdoored/index.html
21:45 asciilifeform that's what i wanna know
21:46 asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-09-2015#1264271 << checking TAKES AS LONG AS RECALCULATING
21:46 assbot Logged on 06-09-2015 20:36:02; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-09-2015#1263952 << understand, there's no hardware solution to this problem. you may make the probability less, but the only path to certainty is checking.
21:46 asciilifeform because it ~is~ equivalent to recalculating !
21:46 asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-09-2015#1264281 << neato. kakobrekla, do you have it on your list ?
21:46 assbot Logged on 06-09-2015 20:42:32; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-09-2015#1263954 << 188.68.240.159 is also online, running pressed stator.
21:47 asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-09-2015#1264312 << if you let the attach be mime/txt, line endings will be mutilated, aha.
21:47 assbot Logged on 06-09-2015 21:10:03; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-09-2015#1263972 << add to that, "never use known file extensions".
21:47 asciilifeform Because It Can.
21:49 asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-09-2015#1264334 << tr0l0l0l, gold medal. can take off the walrus mask now - which one of you rascals was this.
21:49 assbot Logged on 06-09-2015 21:18:13; anton_osika: So long. Thanks for the voice until I can become friends with phunctor.
21:50 asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-09-2015#1264370 << 'work' as in their presence must not make the thing blow up. atm, it does.
21:50 assbot Logged on 06-09-2015 21:47:05; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-09-2015#1264012 << why would either work ?!
21:51 mircea_popescu aha
21:51 asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-09-2015#1264422 << completely useless for anything but static html. it simply happens to be where my site lives
21:51 assbot Logged on 06-09-2015 22:17:52; mats: https://www.nearlyfreespeech.net
21:52 asciilifeform (you can't actually get a 24/7 unix process at n.f.s. - it's a plain old www hoster, 1990s-style)
21:52 asciilifeform ~and~ it's american.
21:52 asciilifeform prolly not of interest to anyone here.
21:53 asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-09-2015#1264440 << see above.
21:53 assbot Logged on 06-09-2015 22:22:10; mats: in fact i think alf does?
21:54 asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-09-2015#1264443 << i don't expect to get anything out of this. or rather, i don't expect to see any of the things that i want, for the price i can afford. this requires broke, desperate americans selling to make rent. and i can't see them doing it on mircea_popescutron
21:54 assbot Logged on 06-09-2015 22:22:48; pete_dushenski: asciilifeform: unless you already have dark market connex, you might have to wait for mircea_popescu/trinque's new buy/sell board ;)
21:55 asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-09-2015#1264476 << same, l0l
21:55 assbot Logged on 06-09-2015 22:31:46; mircea_popescu: incidentally /me hates that trait more than any other.
21:55 asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-09-2015#1264479 << holy fuck man what've you been smoking
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21:55 assbot Logged on 06-09-2015 22:31:55; pete_dushenski: ;;later tell asciilifeform also, 'order id 22472' would indicate that you have more available btc than rothschilds. who's poor now ? (and yes, i understand that no one will ever actually offer you 'taig' via -otc)
21:56 asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-09-2015#1264569 << it's that one bloke, every time. mr. misspell.
21:56 assbot Logged on 06-09-2015 23:07:59; mircea_popescu: i dunno. oddly the stan brood never talks.
21:59 asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-09-2015#1264609 << this needs exposition work imho
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21:59 assbot Logged on 06-09-2015 23:46:21; mircea_popescu: ml also interesting for all the misdirection and denial work Peter Gutmann pgut001@cs.auckland.ac.nz sinks into the matter.
22:00 asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-09-2015#1264614 << note the standard slimeball blame shift to the folks who busted the bug vault, rather than the turds who collected and sat on the goodies for usgtronic purpose
22:00 assbot Logged on 06-09-2015 23:56:11; assbot: Hackers spent at least a year spying on Mozilla to discover Firefox security holes – and exploit them • The Register ... ( http://bit.ly/1iqD4HV )
22:03 asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-09-2015#1264649 << where does my personal circle of hell fit into this dante inferno ? y'know, the one with work
22:03 assbot Logged on 07-09-2015 00:33:26; mircea_popescu: on the plus side, you won't have any actual work to do, that sort where you could encounter and might have to overcome your own stupidity and general human limitations.
22:04 asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-09-2015#1264658 << omitted important elements, the zombie city and the celestial horde.
22:04 assbot Logged on 07-09-2015 00:41:34; mircea_popescu: either don't be stupid, if you can, or if you can't, then don't be negative. sorcerers in the celestial city. zombies in the zombie horde.
22:04 * asciilifeform in zombie city
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22:04 * asciilifeform moonlights in celestial horde
22:04 asciilifeform wallowin' with the eagles.
22:05 asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-09-2015#1264661 << 'negative' there is codespeak for '#b-a and other thoughtcrimes'
22:05 assbot Logged on 07-09-2015 00:45:54; shinohai: No one wants to be around someone that always projects negativity. But isn't there something to be said for honesty?
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22:23 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4100 @ 0.00073866 = 3.0285 BTC [+]
22:31 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: http://imgur.com/a/GIDeo << i went there today. and this is how i imagine your old house looks like.
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22:31 assbot The Museum of Sleep-ad-Libitum ! - Album on Imgur ... ( http://bit.ly/1VHYo9U )
22:32 asciilifeform five motherfucking stories of it.
22:32 mircea_popescu ahaha no, those chairs suck
22:33 asciilifeform there were perhaps 1,001 types of chair.
22:33 asciilifeform from ludovic vii to aeron.
22:33 mircea_popescu they all seem the same, but maybe just bad pic choice
22:34 asciilifeform rooms had 'countries' theme - 'britain', 'russia', etc.
22:34 asciilifeform with predominantly 19th c (or early to mid 20th in some cases) setting for each.
22:34 mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-09-2015#1264739 << there's always one of these precious "oh nothing happened lolz" derps mixing themselves in every discussion
22:34 assbot Logged on 07-09-2015 01:59:41; asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-09-2015#1264609 << this needs exposition work imho
22:34 mircea_popescu in this case, it was gutmann
22:35 asciilifeform how else!
22:35 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16825 @ 0.00072652 = 12.2237 BTC [-] {3}
22:37 asciilifeform i had never before been inside a hose half like that.
22:37 asciilifeform it was brain-melting.
22:37 asciilifeform ~THIS~ is how actual people lived.
22:37 mircea_popescu re that "blame shift" : i wouldn't even say it's blame shift or anything. pure "us vs them" mentality. obama bombs some schools ? YAY! schools organise and shoot some us terrorists ? BOO!!1
22:37 asciilifeform ^ makes sense
22:38 asciilifeform btw that was also the first time in my entire life in usa that i saw proper european-height ceilings.
22:38 asciilifeform (in a residential bldg)
22:38 mircea_popescu and ftr it's perfectly sound. who exactly do you suppose will get quarter for "having been a very competent usg agent" ?
22:38 mircea_popescu chtulhu can eat him first
22:39 asciilifeform speaking of which, the curator informed me that j.e.hoover quartered his agents in that place.
22:41 mircea_popescu what is it, some sort of hotrel ?
22:42 asciilifeform house of 19th c. mega-imperial somebody, turned into a museum-cum-whore-hotel
22:42 mircea_popescu aha
22:42 asciilifeform http://www.omansion.com << very spammy www, if i learned of it from www instead of wandering in, would not have even contemplated setting foot near it
22:42 assbot The Mansion on O Street™ | Events, weddings, b&b & more in Dupont Circle, Washington DC. ... ( http://bit.ly/1VHZsL2 )
22:43 asciilifeform possibly one of the worst company www i have ever seen.
22:43 asciilifeform and yes, one can rent the place by the hour, day, month, and actually shit in them golden toilets !!
22:43 asciilifeform ^ ben_vulpes et al
22:44 asciilifeform ^ anybody else in gringolandia.
22:44 mats lol, front page: white, azn, brown child
22:44 asciilifeform mats: i disrecommend the www; just see my photos.
22:45 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4725 @ 0.00072985 = 3.4485 BTC [+]
22:45 asciilifeform though ftr i was there for ~2h and didn't visit even half the rooms.
22:46 * asciilifeform was there with pet, and afterwards we had debate re: whether 'if even a few of the folks with maxint usd wanted a house like this, how many could be satisfied, ..., ..., turkey-buying dollars (tm), ..., ... .'
22:46 mats i looked at em, gaudy stuff
22:46 asciilifeform mats: much of the garbage in the photos is 'yard sale'
22:47 asciilifeform (literally, the folks who work in that place, brought the crud in for sale)
22:47 asciilifeform it is where the piles of 'books' came from
22:47 mats lol
22:48 mircea_popescu i'm not entirely certain what exactly strikes your fancy so, asciilifeform
22:49 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: similar feeling to when i saw an american grocery store for first time
22:49 mircea_popescu !up zveda
22:49 zveda mircea_popescu: thanks
22:49 mircea_popescu aha. who're you ?
22:49 asciilifeform 'so this is what actual life looked like.'
22:49 mircea_popescu asciilifeform the abundance of items ? or what ?
22:49 asciilifeform nonononono
22:49 asciilifeform of space.
22:49 asciilifeform fuck the items.
22:50 mircea_popescu http://i.imgur.com/gIkqgKO.jpg < such as ?
22:50 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1i6SZLF )
22:50 mircea_popescu first bidet masquerading as bathtub ive ver seen
22:51 asciilifeform there were something like seven wooden tubs of various kinds, in just the rooms i saw
22:51 mats reminds me of bath stall for old folks
22:51 asciilifeform no 'pressed shitboard' either
22:51 asciilifeform mats: actually old ru rubs were of the 'sit-down' kind
22:51 asciilifeform mats: i bathed in one as a boy
22:51 asciilifeform it was sop.
22:51 mats interesting
22:51 asciilifeform then shittification, pressboardification, 'modern' towers, shitter/bath combos, and 'lie-down' enameled steel tubs.
22:51 mircea_popescu asciilifeform incidentally, you ever been on the west coast ?
22:52 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: nope
22:52 mircea_popescu are you going ?
22:52 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: never had a reason to go
22:52 asciilifeform i've never been to alaska either
22:52 mircea_popescu well there certainly exist better museums of "sleep ad libitum" all through california.
22:52 asciilifeform and it is ahead on the list
22:52 mircea_popescu yes but this'd be relevant to your interests.
22:52 asciilifeform any in particular ?
22:55 mircea_popescu i dunno, dude, chris rhea's house lol.
22:55 mircea_popescu anyone really.
22:56 mircea_popescu rea*
22:56 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9000 @ 0.00073432 = 6.6089 BTC [+] {5}
22:56 asciilifeform it is a museum ?
22:57 mircea_popescu mno.
22:57 mircea_popescu hm.
22:57 asciilifeform i don't personally know a fella named chris rhea.
22:57 asciilifeform so i can't imagine he would invite me for tea.
22:57 asciilifeform (given that i've never heard of such a man)
22:58 asciilifeform http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/howaboutthat/10821220/Runaway-rhea-Chris-is-shot-dead-by-a-gamekeeper.html
22:58 assbot Runaway rhea, Chris, is shot dead by a gamekeeper - Telegraph ... ( http://bit.ly/1VI0TJj )
22:58 asciilifeform 'Local gamekeeper said he understood that the police wanted the bird dispatched because they were worried that it could cause a car crash'
22:58 mircea_popescu asciilifeform http://www.parks.ca.gov/?page_id=489 there.
22:58 assbot Leland Stanford Mansion SHP ... ( http://bit.ly/1VI0S8s )
22:58 asciilifeform seems like he is dead. and was a bird.
22:59 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: now ~that~'s a mega-museum.
22:59 * asciilifeform puts on map.
22:59 mircea_popescu yw.
22:59 mircea_popescu but srsly, east coast is famous for crampy, shitty quarters.
23:00 mircea_popescu of more genuine historical interest, ;;google Captain George Flavel House
23:00 asciilifeform i think the 'cramped' actually made it appealing to my inner submariner
23:00 mircea_popescu lol
23:00 mircea_popescu you have an inner submariner ?
23:00 asciilifeform (more pointedly, made it 'plausibly like places in my head')
23:00 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: my old flat had just enough void air in it to physically pass from one room to another.
23:01 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: all the rest - shelves, bulkheads
23:01 mircea_popescu periscope depth, captn!
23:04 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: the place was also set up in such a way that one must look for hidden doors (e.g., swing-out book cases) to find new rooms
23:04 asciilifeform a kind of labyrinth
23:04 asciilifeform this played straight into the mega-phantasy in my dream world of 'found extra room in house' that i've been afflicted with since childhood
23:05 * asciilifeform dreams (literally) of rooms the way a hungry man does of food
23:06 asciilifeform it is interesting how visiting, e.g., a gigantic warehouse, or stadium, does not tickle this fantasy
23:06 asciilifeform because those spaces do not register as 'plausibly like somewhere i can picture living'
23:06 asciilifeform for one thing, a four-story warehouse ceiling is vertical space and ipso facto wasted.
23:06 asciilifeform (from my hindbrain's pov)
23:07 asciilifeform whereas an endless succession of labyrinthine chambers is precisely it.
23:07 asciilifeform i now understand why chinese emperors (and american industrialists) built them!
23:07 asciilifeform it was a kind of theme park of not-feeling-cramped
23:11 mircea_popescu isn't "Found extra rooms in house" kinda like "found extra procedures in code" ?
23:11 asciilifeform no.
23:11 mircea_popescu but anyway, my place in timisoara was ~5k sqft on two levels.
23:11 mircea_popescu perfectly standard for the local upper middle class
23:12 asciilifeform no so different from where my parents live, size-wise
23:12 mircea_popescu had the option to buy it for like 80k, which i didn't take.
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23:12 asciilifeform woah
23:12 asciilifeform 80k barely buys a van here.
23:12 mircea_popescu yes but you live in a shithole.
23:12 * asciilifeform does not dispute this
23:13 asciilifeform actually i am wrong, fella i know bought a spiffy van for 70k
23:15 asciilifeform anyway, 1,2,3,infinity.
23:15 asciilifeform 80 may as well be 800 or 800,000,000 from my pov.
23:16 mircea_popescu what, it's like 400 btc
23:17 asciilifeform so?
23:17 mircea_popescu not even 1k!!1
23:17 asciilifeform ...?
23:18 mircea_popescu im just being silly.
23:18 trinque asciilifeform: you do live in the worst possible part of the US
23:18 trinque move to Houston, do math for an oil company
23:18 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11850 @ 0.00073894 = 8.7564 BTC [+]
23:18 asciilifeform trinque: see thread.
23:18 trinque the beltway is *not* all there is
23:18 trinque so do science after 5
23:18 trinque I dun geddit
23:19 asciilifeform trinque: read thread, and maybe get it.
23:19 asciilifeform or not.
23:20 asciilifeform trinque: i have zero, zip, nada, interest in being an interchangeable part.
23:20 asciilifeform trinque: if you cannot understand this, i am probably wasting space here attempting to explain it.
23:21 trinque to that I have two responses
23:21 trinque one, do some acid
23:21 trinque two, taqiya
23:21 asciilifeform trinque: would love some acid. might make this existence bearable. see old thread re: why i never had any.
23:22 asciilifeform trinque: as for taqiya, it worked pre-google.
23:22 asciilifeform perhaps.
23:22 trinque asciilifeform: I was telling mr ben_vulp` earlier I'd love to get you some if I'm ever able
23:23 trinque sadly, am currently not
23:23 trinque just to see what'd happen
23:23 asciilifeform dope is over-rated.
23:23 trinque acid's special; not the least bit a matter of getting intoxicated in the usual sense
23:24 asciilifeform !s a smell of petroleum prevails throughout
23:24 assbot 1 results for 'a smell of petroleum prevails throughout' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=a+smell+of+petroleum+prevails+throughout
23:25 asciilifeform trinque: as for your oil men, it is a basic truism of salary men in usa that no one is ever, under any circumstances, paid a salary large enough to stop being a salary man.
23:25 asciilifeform it is an elementary thing.
23:26 asciilifeform kinda like if you were kommendant of auschwitz, you wouldn't give a capo a machinegun
23:26 asciilifeform no matter how much you trusted him.
23:29 trinque I see oil and a few other things as the few remaining inputs on the US "economy
23:29 trinque end quote.
23:30 asciilifeform trinque: i am specifically laughing at your notion that i would hate life less if i were to agree to spend MORE HOURS PER DAY doing IDIOT SCUTWORK in exchange for slightly more banana peels.
23:31 trinque ah shit man, I have meatwot friends working for these oil companies
23:31 trinque they pillage and they live well.
23:31 asciilifeform trinque: live well == sleep ad libitum.
23:31 asciilifeform do they ?
23:31 asciilifeform i think you already answered the question though
23:31 asciilifeform they do not.
23:32 asciilifeform given as 'they work for...'
23:32 asciilifeform QED.
23:33 asciilifeform a cubic kilometre of house is worthless if you can't spend your top waking hours there.
23:33 trinque or another meatwot friend working for a tradebot company
23:33 trinque who tried to hire me
23:33 asciilifeform again, working.
23:33 trinque ends at 5!
23:33 trinque gets his dick sucked the rest of the time!
23:33 asciilifeform 'cause no energy for actual thought, aha
23:34 mats so lets get down to it, asciilifeform
23:34 mats how many hours of actual work do you do per week
23:35 asciilifeform hard to say
23:35 asciilifeform and what is 'actual work'
23:35 asciilifeform does sitting in the wheel coffin count ?
23:35 mats the sort you abhor, sure, include driving
23:35 asciilifeform (traditionally not, but it isn't like i would be there if it were not for the rest of it)
23:36 mats thats ten hours a week right?
23:36 trinque taqiya
23:36 asciilifeform 10-20
23:36 trinque not every act of my career is a manifestation of my principles
23:36 trinque sometimes I'm just trying to get paid
23:37 trinque stick another y on that, I guess
23:37 * trinque reminisces briefly about the persian chick he dated
23:37 mats 20 hours of driving? really?
23:37 trinque probably most beautiful women on earth.
23:38 asciilifeform mats: sure.
23:38 asciilifeform mats: what is so astonishing
23:38 trinque that's 2hrs commute a day
23:38 trinque can happen
23:38 trinque houston traffic gets crazy
23:38 asciilifeform 2 is the bestcase
23:38 mats i dunno how your mental formula works, but i'd certainly pay to live closer
23:39 trinque thing is, I know guys that just chose to be the smartest guy at a truly asinine startup
23:39 trinque they make great money, they do whatever they please in their free time
23:39 trinque I run a business, but I have no quarrel with those that just maximize their own path through the whole retarded mess./
23:40 trinque I started my business by neglecting other retarded pursuits and building the other thing in spare time.
23:42 asciilifeform mats: i can't even begin to afford to live near where i work.
23:42 asciilifeform mats: literally twice or more per square metre.
23:42 trinque oh asciilifeform, DC and surrounding sucks so much.
23:43 trinque surely you understand that the sludge flows out from exactly there?
23:43 asciilifeform trinque: of course.
23:43 asciilifeform trinque: i don't work for the sludge though.
23:43 trinque I know, but proximity!
23:44 asciilifeform what about it? it isn't like this is ancient china and you don't have to pay tax if you live far away from the tax collector.
23:45 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8200 @ 0.00073894 = 6.0593 BTC [+]
23:45 trinque yeah, but you just don't run into them.
23:45 trinque everyone of consequence in TX hates the federal government.
23:45 trinque deeply, and as a matter of principle
23:46 asciilifeform trinque: do they pay a penny less of tax from this ?
23:46 trinque you just feel that way, and wait for the other thing to fail.
23:47 asciilifeform feel ahahaha lol.
23:47 trinque how many years do you think the federal govt has left?
23:47 asciilifeform 10,000.
23:47 trinque the gov of texas talked openly about secession throughout his term.
23:47 asciilifeform or not.
23:47 asciilifeform but longer than i have.
23:47 trinque they will destroy the currency and fail
23:47 asciilifeform sure. and then i will be dead.
23:48 trinque who knows.
23:48 asciilifeform nah i'm pretty sure.
23:49 asciilifeform mats: i will add, to earlier thread, that it is not even reliably possible to ~rent a house at all~ near where i work.
23:49 asciilifeform renting out houses is not something that is done, generally, in the richer parts of MD.
23:50 mats it becomes 2x per sqm to get so much as 30mins from work?
23:52 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9820 @ 0.00073894 = 7.2564 BTC [+]
23:54 mats and you cannot rent rooms either i suppose?
23:54 asciilifeform fuck rooms
23:54 asciilifeform what, you think i will put up with sharing toilet with strangers ?
23:54 asciilifeform seen them, smelling them ?
23:54 asciilifeform why the everliving fuck should i even think about this.
23:55 mircea_popescu <asciilifeform> hard to say << heh.
23:55 mats so princely
23:56 asciilifeform so minimum-human-ly.
23:56 asciilifeform how many unrelated, unfucked adults does mats share his quarters with ?
23:56 asciilifeform (today, not in the barrack)
23:56 mats wat is 'unfucked'
23:57 asciilifeform ones you do not regularly have sex with
23:57 mircea_popescu interesting metric.
23:57 mircea_popescu makes the collegiate campus a winner. especially at arizona state.
23:57 mats i live alone atm. moved recently. but for most of non-barracks, non-univ adulthood i shared quarters with 2-4 other people
23:58 mats and i expect to do so again in a year or so
23:58 asciilifeform sux
23:58 mats i don't abhor it like you do, will prob do it willingly well into late 20s
23:59 mats sharing toilet with four others does suck, though. but small price to pay to hold onto more wages
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