Show Idle (>14 d.) Chans
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00:00 pete_dushenski http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-09-2015#1278231 << or dating site called 'meatit'
00:00 assbot Logged on 18-09-2015 02:51:33; mircea_popescu: dating site is basically where people who don't meet go. much like reddit is where people who don't read go.
00:01 pete_dushenski http://41.media.tumblr.com/d99fe775590fab0566e409f30ceb13f7/tumblr_nt7hopAYVY1s3qr6wo1_1280.jpg << moar rights plox
00:01 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1Oiz7Cc )
00:01 pete_dushenski https://scontent-sea1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xfp1/t31.0-8/11057795_10153322953343375_2884236966562120575_o.png << taleb on gmo. fact vs. fiction. a list.
00:02 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1OizcG1 )
00:02 cazalla pete_dushenski, tis a fake http://i.imgur.com/EqOzRGy.jpg or maybe original? or maybe not!
00:02 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1OizcWu )
00:02 pete_dushenski yours is fake
00:02 pete_dushenski fakest
00:05 pete_dushenski http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-09-2015#1278126 << very nicely done
00:05 assbot Logged on 18-09-2015 01:08:16; BingoBoingo: I as so fucking happy I won the Rand Paul bet
00:05 cazalla prob both are
00:05 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13600 @ 0.00075109 = 10.2148 BTC [-] {3}
00:06 pete_dushenski http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-09-2015#1278196 << doesn't look like this'll pay out quite as richly, but then again, what could ?
00:06 assbot Logged on 18-09-2015 02:20:55; BingoBoingo: And if any BitBettors are intersted Made this the same day as my first Rand bet https://bitbet.us/bet/1198/connor-mcdavid-will-live-up-to-the-hype/#b4
00:06 BingoBoingo pete_dushenski: Depends on how the season goes, that one has a lot more time
00:07 pete_dushenski yes, that 0.17 btc will cost you an exponentially greater time investment, watching it day-to-day
00:08 pete_dushenski wondering, dreaming, scheming what you might do with your proceeds
00:08 pete_dushenski eg. more mac mini nodes
00:10 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36300 @ 0.00075279 = 27.3263 BTC [+] {2}
00:16 BingoBoingo pete_dushenski: Seriously. Just gotta wait for next month hoping a new generation gets announced
00:17 BingoBoingo pete_dushenski: Mac mini node and more CPU on desk are both priorities on hold waiting for newsies
00:20 BingoBoingo Oh lo Havelol [HAVELOCK] [7C] 148 @ 0.00046664 = 0.0691 BTC [-] {2}
00:26 * BingoBoingo looking at pete_dushenski's engine swap suggestions wonders what Saddam and co will look like in a decade
00:28 pete_dushenski haha maybe an m156 wedges its way in there
00:29 pete_dushenski http://ca.complex.com/sports/2013/12/mercedes-m156-v8-eulogy << written by kid whose writing career i launched
00:29 assbot A Eulogy for One of the Best V8s of All Time, the Mercedes-Benz M156 | Complex CA ... ( http://bit.ly/1iltfKR )
00:30 pete_dushenski ;;ticker
00:30 gribble Bitfinex BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 234.34, Best ask: 234.41, Bid-ask spread: 0.07000, Last trade: 234.45, 24 hour volume: 11789.83147797, 24 hour low: 229.04, 24 hour high: 236.26, 24 hour vwap: None
00:41 BingoBoingo pete_dushenski: I imagine you to be the sort of crazy jew to replace an 8 with a pair of sixes
00:44 pete_dushenski the sort ? fuck, if such a jew were an entire sort unto itself, israel would have the entire middle east under its crazy inventive thumb instead of playing d-fence six ways to sunday
00:44 pete_dushenski there's like 100 ppl on the planet who would even dream of dual-engined set-ups
00:45 pete_dushenski and it's not clear to me that they fall into categories other than 'kaczynski'
00:46 BingoBoingo pete_dushenski: Tractor Pull is a sport. Imagine showing up with a Porsche that had two straight sixes inline
00:46 pete_dushenski one in usual spot, one in 'frunk' ?
00:46 BingoBoingo Of course
00:47 pete_dushenski lol like imagining a hot broad with perfect dime nipples on her tits AND her ass
00:47 BingoBoingo If rednecks will bolt v6 and v8 machines together to get up to 24 cylinders... You could try that but smoother
00:48 pete_dushenski i suspect i'm too distantly related from my cousins for that sort of thing
00:49 BingoBoingo And this is why Jews never made it in NASCAR
00:49 pete_dushenski nah, i think this is a personal exception
00:50 BingoBoingo Well if you insist there are the Ehrnart/Goldsteins
00:50 pete_dushenski there's plenty o' jews who never smell the panties of someone outside the tribe
00:50 cazalla this is the best car fwiw https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rqohbacK2aU
00:50 assbot VW Passat, 360 grieziens, 4X4 passat double. - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1MujRlo )
00:50 pete_dushenski Ehrnart/Goldsteins << nascar drivers ? or owners ?
00:50 pete_dushenski cazalla: lol!
00:51 BingoBoingo pete_dushenski: Father/Son drivers.
00:51 BingoBoingo nice cazalla
00:52 pete_dushenski BingoBoingo: both still active ?
00:52 BingoBoingo pete_dushenski: Nah, Dale Sr. hit a wall, literally a decade or two ago.
00:55 pete_dushenski oh EARNHARDT !! fuck i didn't know they were jooz
00:55 BingoBoingo Seems like a JEwey name
00:56 BingoBoingo Like Koufax
00:57 pete_dushenski hm. not quite enough to go on there.
00:57 pete_dushenski there was a blue jays player i had the same suspicion about a few years back. turns out, total goy.
00:57 BingoBoingo Ah, mebbe just sufficiently monied that people default to assuming they are pipe hitting members of the tribe
00:58 cazalla BingoBoingo, spotted a dupa http://i.imgur.com/xs29Qrt.jpg
00:58 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1MukxHu )
00:58 BingoBoingo Seriously
00:58 BingoBoingo See cazalla, Mayo Gendered
01:01 BingoBoingo !up contrapumpkin
01:03 asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-09-2015#1278246 << this ~has~ to be some kind of disinfo. it seems impossible, like hearing about a demolished skyscraper un-exploding, an egg un-breaking and picking itself up from the kitchen floor and sliding back into the chicken
01:03 assbot Logged on 18-09-2015 03:59:20; pete_dushenski: https://www.timeshighereducation.com/news/social-sciences-and-humanities-faculties-close-japan-after-ministerial-decree << goooOooo social sciences!
01:04 BingoBoingo pete_dushenski: I seriously think you'd enjoy the demolition derbies. Nothing but cars lesser than Saddam meeting the most nobel ends they can.
01:05 pete_dushenski asciilifeform: http://www.japantimes.co.jp/opinion/2015/08/23/commentary/japan-commentary/humanities-attack/#.VfjlirRLfkr
01:05 assbot Humanities under attack | The Japan Times ... ( http://bit.ly/1Mul9wA )
01:07 pete_dushenski BingoBoingo: i bet you're right. we'll check one out together before you pull the us-chute
01:07 BingoBoingo pete_dushenski: Just remember the farm equiptment variations got alot more style than passenger vehicles
01:10 BingoBoingo pete_dushenski: And remember no format of demolition derby allows Chrysler Imperials or Checker Cabs, because they are totally cool
01:23 BingoBoingo Many such contests will even disallow any passenger vehicle with a body on frame construction
01:25 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6950 @ 0.00075074 = 5.2176 BTC [-]
01:33 BingoBoingo What I really wonder is why there are people in chan without a cheap surplus Ti-92
01:41 pete_dushenski https://twitter.com/JebBush/status/644542458735525888/photo/1
01:42 BingoBoingo Fuck him. If he wanted to matter he should have run in 2000 instead of the idiot brother
01:43 BingoBoingo Jeb http://thecodelesscode.com/case/199
01:43 assbot The Codeless Code: Case 199 Unwitting Accomplice ... ( http://bit.ly/1OBunGO )
01:47 BingoBoingo George http://thecodelesscode.com/case/201?name=Wangohan
01:47 assbot The Codeless Code: Case 201 Ignorance is Bliss ... ( http://bit.ly/1KpUnyR )
01:50 pete_dushenski http://www.detroitnews.com/story/news/local/detroit-city/2015/09/17/detroit-neighborhood-plea-want-squatters/32558019/
01:50 assbot Detroit neighborhood plea: ‘We want squatters’ ... ( http://bit.ly/1OBvshU )
01:51 BingoBoingo Fuck them. If they wanted Squatters they should have milder winters like San Fransisco.
01:53 BingoBoingo "Undeterred, Mergos began a community garden, Sunnyside Farms, on the site of her burned home. Someone tried to wreck the garden, so she placed five beehives to keep away troublemakers." << Forgot to bring the three wise men Colt, Remington, and Winchester
02:00 pete_dushenski we three kings of orient are smoking on a rubber cigar...
02:00 * pete_dushenski to bed
02:06 mircea_popescu "Of the 60 national universities that offer courses in these disciplines, 26 have confirmed that they will either close or scale back their irrelevant faculties at the behest of Japan’s government."
02:06 mircea_popescu fixed for truth.
02:11 mircea_popescu ok that nina paley chick is pretty cool/
02:25 mircea_popescu http://i.imgur.com/P0GJvi1.png << scam rumour!
02:25 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1UZc66g )
02:36 BingoBoingo <mircea_popescu> http://i.imgur.com/P0GJvi1.png << scam rumour! << Oh, yet another Mayo Gendered anon shill
02:36 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1UZc66g )
02:41 * BingoBoingo becoming rather convinced the only true SJW transgender is trans-fat gender. Welcome Cartman and our other Mayo-Gendered overlords.
02:47 BingoBoingo https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1182005 << Stockolm Syndrome
02:47 assbot Follow the Bitcoins taken from me by Homeland Security ... ( http://bit.ly/1UZep9e )
02:50 mircea_popescu http://dpaste.com/046VT8P << something awful does bitcoin fan fiction. not altogether horrible.
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02:50 assbot dpaste: 046VT8P ... ( http://bit.ly/1UZeLN9 )
02:53 cazalla BingoBoingo, woo woo woo woo
02:53 cazalla thought the episode was preddy average tbh
02:53 BingoBoingo eh, reading the SA story
02:55 mircea_popescu i would say by and large the libertard mind understands it is an epiphenomenon in human history, and utterly doomed.
02:55 mircea_popescu 2015 brought the first inklings of acceptance, which is welcome.
02:57 BingoBoingo Seriously
02:59 BingoBoingo We, be dragons just burning the poor,
02:59 cazalla white suit, beard, this HAS to be a mircea_popescu class room! http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=c7b_1442078659
02:59 assbot LiveLeak.com - Teacher showing his anger on his innocent students. ... ( http://bit.ly/1KUX0zd )
03:00 BingoBoingo Why? Biodiesel for the Uranium mines that power the ASICs
03:08 BingoBoingo Also, did anyone else have a clue that Gawker Media had a food writer who published recipies and shit? https://archive.is/NvQc2
03:08 assbot Dissolve The United States ... ( http://bit.ly/1UZgiTr )
03:09 BingoBoingo "Any polity that can produce such an outcome should be abolished. Dissolve the United States, replacing it with a set of city-states, villages, and thinly-peopled hinterlands; let every public that wants one have their own Carly Fiorina or Bobby Jindal, and let everyone else go about their business. The candidate who proposes that will be the one to get behind."
03:13 mircea_popescu so she is voting for mp this election ? write-in ?
03:13 cazalla http://www.bbc.com/news/technology-34118482
03:13 assbot Intelligent machines: Call for a ban on robots designed as sex toys - BBC News ... ( http://bit.ly/1UZgNwE )
03:13 BingoBoingo He is apparently voting for MP
03:14 cazalla i guess all the women are concerned men will no longer need their fupas
03:14 BingoBoingo cazalla: Only the Mayo Gendered would support such a proposition
03:15 BingoBoingo Not woment cazalla, but people who choose the pronouns Meh, Mayo, and Mehrs
03:15 cazalla i'd buy one and i'm not into that xe shit
03:16 mircea_popescu wait, all the fuckiung machiens are ok, the problem starts once MEN get usable fuckdroids ?
03:16 mircea_popescu herp.
03:16 BingoBoingo Seriously. Vibrators fine, Fleshlights SCANDAL
03:18 mircea_popescu kinda lulzy, looking at all the derpy "news sites" that copied qntra but forgot to mention it.
03:18 mircea_popescu easily 1k of 'em.
03:19 mircea_popescu "americanbanker.com" ? "journalbiz.blabla" ? mmmkay.
03:20 BingoBoingo Seriously. And qntra can still take from the the part where something happened because they are all too chickenshit to tell the truth.
03:26 mircea_popescu https://archive.is/Rfi7E#selection-9597.3-9597.92 << all that eager hope. and then... nothing happened. and then...
03:26 assbot Bitcoin is still funny and the xbox one has the wrong kind of RAM - The Something Awful Forums ... ( http://bit.ly/1UZi72C )
03:26 mircea_popescu more hope.
03:26 mircea_popescu kinda funny how the losers of the decade manage to somehow project their endless hope-disappointment cycle on other people.
03:28 * BingoBoingo still waits for citadels
03:29 cazalla that place was so cool back in the day
03:29 cazalla jeff k and all that
03:30 cazalla BingoBoingo, here are the citadels https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HTX9yP3fJNA
03:30 assbot 2084 - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1UZinPi )
03:30 BingoBoingo cazalla: Youtube is broken
03:36 BingoBoingo Brb
03:40 mircea_popescu https://blockchain.info/charts/transaction-fees?timespan=all&showDataPoints=false&daysAverageString=1&show_header=true&scale=0&address= << historically, tx fee bumps and price bumps correlate
03:40 assbot Bitcoin Total Transaction Fees ... ( http://bit.ly/1NB3DFO )
03:40 mircea_popescu for some ungodly reason.
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04:19 punkman http://researchcenter.paloaltonetworks.com/2015/09/novel-malware-xcodeghost-modifies-xcode-infects-apple-ios-apps-and-hits-app-store/
04:19 assbot Novel Malware XcodeGhost Modifies Xcode, Infects Apple iOS Apps and Hits App Store - Palo Alto Networks BlogPalo Alto Networks Blog ... ( http://bit.ly/1gwE1Nd )
04:20 punkman "At least two iOS apps were submitted to App Store, successfully passed Apple’s code review, and were published for public download."
04:23 punkman https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CPIGyCvWsAAdves.png:large
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04:23 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1gwExKU )
04:37 shinohai https://i.imgur.com/2ZECpM0.jpg <<< 1rst Annual #bicoin-assets White-Trash Beauty Competition. Vote now!
04:37 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1gwGebo )
04:41 HeySteve shinohai, blonde 3rd from left and the redhead
04:42 shinohai I agree with the blonde HeySteve ... good eye
04:42 HeySteve years of practice
04:43 shinohai :D
04:44 cazalla if i had too. 3rd from left too
04:44 cazalla as for a 2nd.. 6th from left
04:45 cazalla the rest could land a plane between their tits
04:45 shinohai And that ONE black woman
04:45 shinohai The blonde standing beside her isn't shabby
04:45 HeySteve yeah #6 is best bruenette
04:48 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16663 @ 0.00075669 = 12.6087 BTC [+]
04:49 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38216 @ 0.00075958 = 29.0281 BTC [+]
04:50 punkman http://i.imgur.com/yDzCySF.jpg
04:50 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1gwHMSA )
04:52 cazalla asked the missus if she could guess which 2 i picked.. she got 1 outta 2 (the brunette)
04:53 punkman the tall blondie is an obvious choice
04:55 HeySteve the trashiest is either blonde on far left or the pink cheetah lady
04:56 shinohai cheetah lady has my vote
05:02 cazalla prob right as cheetah lady was the first one my missus picked as "she's total trash"
05:02 HeySteve but she doesn't have obviously fake breasts
05:03 HeySteve whereas that blonde's boobs are like 1/2 of mount rushmore
05:06 cazalla big/small/fake/whatever, any gap is a boner killer
05:18 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 66900 @ 0.00076005 = 50.8473 BTC [+] {3}
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05:50 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6743 @ 0.00075074 = 5.0622 BTC [-]
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06:19 danielpbarron http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-09-2015#1278233 << one of those recently followed me on twatter. https://twitter.com/oddteenager/status/584227084194680833
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06:19 assbot Logged on 18-09-2015 02:51:50; BingoBoingo: Oh, no there are fun opportunities that pop up on dating sites like the recently out of a long term relationship and cute girls with borderline personality disorder. THe holy grail to hunt for is the overlap
06:23 cazalla bet she'd be a great root danielpbarron
06:24 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16800 @ 0.00075074 = 12.6124 BTC [-]
06:27 danielpbarron ;;later tell copypaste wtf https://archive.is/VoUwR
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06:27 assbot Fredrick Brennan(HW) on Twitter: "Thank you Mr. Poettering and @kdeproject for making desktop Linux better for everyone I should have never doubted u http://t.co/Lwic5rJQw2" ... ( http://bit.ly/1KlrIMd )
06:27 gribble The operation succeeded.
06:29 cazalla those pills look like glucosamine or some shit
06:29 cazalla the big white ones anyway
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07:33 danielpbarron http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-09-2015#1278344 >> Of course, this outcome will likely lead to billions of deaths. This is a price we are forced to pay, to avoid the eternal enslavement of humanity to a tiny elite. << the socialist would rather kill everyone than have them be humble servants
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07:33 assbot Logged on 18-09-2015 06:50:43; mircea_popescu: http://dpaste.com/046VT8P << something awful does bitcoin fan fiction. not altogether horrible.
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07:35 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12100 @ 0.00075074 = 9.084 BTC [-]
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08:19 HeySteve http://www.fastcoexist.com/3050606/china-is-building-the-mother-of-all-reputation-systems-to-monitor-citizen-behavior
08:19 assbot China Is Building The Mother Of All Reputation Systems To Monitor Citizen Behavior | Co.Exist | ideas + impact ... ( http://bit.ly/1iUoMzo )
08:20 punkman ""In Europe and the U.S., there's a notion that the state should be constrained, that it's not right to intervene in people's lives, unless for justified reasons. In China, the state has no qualms about that."
08:24 HeySteve there is such a notion, not shared by the state
08:25 kakobrekla http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2015-09-17/bitcoin-is-officially-a-commodity-according-to-u-s-regulator
08:25 assbot Bitcoin Is Officially a Commodity, According to U.S. Regulator - Bloomberg Business ... ( http://bit.ly/1P7xwMH )
08:28 punkman a commodity, security, currency, whatever each USG entity needs to call it in order to pretend they have authority over it
08:37 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20117 @ 0.00075074 = 15.1026 BTC [-]
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09:03 fluffypony inb4 CommodityCoin
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09:31 mats i don't get why people enjoy the online card game 'Hearthstone'
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09:31 mats it is literally checkers
09:41 asciilifeform http://imgur.com/ZuJxVwd
09:41 assbot Hoarding - Imgur ... ( http://bit.ly/1LCiFGE )
09:43 mats https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JvUMV1N7eGM
09:43 assbot Ylvis - Massachusetts [Official music video HD] (Explicit Lyrics) - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1LCiUlh )
09:45 deedbot- [BitBet Bets Bets] 3.20000000 BTC on 'No' - EUR/USD Parity in 2015 - http://bitbet.us/bet/1111/eur-usd-parity-in-2015/#b33
09:45 deedbot- [BitBet Bets Bets] 3.00000000 BTC on 'No' - JPY to top 140 per USD in 2015 - http://bitbet.us/bet/1094/jpy-to-top-140-per-usd-in-2015/#b14
09:59 punkman https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dx6HojLBsnw
09:59 assbot Dilbert - The Knack full - YouTube.flv - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1LCkGml )
10:00 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18475 @ 0.00075081 = 13.8712 BTC [+]
10:00 pete_dushenski https://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-office/2015/09/15/executive-order-using-behavioral-science-insights-better-serve-american
10:00 assbot Executive Order -- Using Behavioral Science Insights to Better Serve the American People | whitehouse.gov ... ( http://bit.ly/1LCkSCc )
10:02 punkman ominus title eh
10:02 mats https://www.reddit.com/r/netsec/comments/3lefc6/chinese_ios_devs_download_xcode_from_3rdparty/
10:02 assbot Chinese iOS devs download Xcode from 3rd-party, spyware was added in compile time for many popular Chinese iOS apps (raw report Chinese) : netsec ... ( http://bit.ly/1LCl4Bp )
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10:04 pete_dushenski punkman: ominus omnibus
10:05 pete_dushenski 'justitia omnibus' being the motto of the district of columbia !
10:10 pete_dushenski http://www.justitiaomnibus.com/en/about-the-company/ <<
10:10 assbot About the Company ... ( http://bit.ly/1FkMA9w )
10:10 pete_dushenski "ust being acquainted with the laws and following them is sometimes insufficiently." << random ukr 'legal services' co. has it right.
10:11 pete_dushenski Foreigners and citizens of Ukraine, who want to visit Lviv should know that the officials of militia, the customs service and other law-enforcement bodies not always follow the law. " << sounds like usistan
10:24 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 67085 @ 0.00075111 = 50.3882 BTC [+] {2}
10:25 funkenstein_ http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-09-2015#1278429 <-- isn't this thing three years old now? iirc there are a number of variants circulating
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10:25 assbot Logged on 18-09-2015 11:33:04; assbot: Logged on 18-09-2015 06:50:43; mircea_popescu: http://dpaste.com/046VT8P << something awful does bitcoin fan fiction. not altogether horrible.
10:26 funkenstein_ http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-09-2015#1278034 <-- with great soundtrack even. thanks punkman :)
10:26 assbot Logged on 17-09-2015 20:45:40; punkman: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EYM50dBa1Fk
10:26 pete_dushenski http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-09-2015#1278391 << heh. i'd actually like this as a footrest under my desk.
10:26 assbot Logged on 18-09-2015 08:23:37; punkman: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CPIGyCvWsAAdves.png:large
10:27 funkenstein_ http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-09-2015#1277223 <-- what happened to http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-09-2015#1263703 how about some consistency folks
10:27 assbot Logged on 17-09-2015 01:56:41; mircea_popescu: fucking master race check that out.
10:27 assbot Logged on 06-09-2015 04:44:54; mircea_popescu: obviously the white guys killed the red guys. the red guys sucked.
10:28 funkenstein_ and while we
10:28 funkenstein_ are at it http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-09-2015#1277699 <-- can't defend himself, therefore has no value
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10:28 assbot Logged on 17-09-2015 07:05:20; BingoBoingo: Three years old and type 2 diabetes, most people with congential type 1 diabetes don't know it at that age
10:28 funkenstein_ obese because can or something like that
10:29 punkman http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-09-2015#1277221 << broken unicode in this link
10:29 assbot Logged on 17-09-2015 01:56:27; mircea_popescu: https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/ab/Bundesarchiv_Bild_133-075%2C_Worms%2C_Antisemitische_Presse%2C_%22Stürmerkasten%22.jpg << how the fuck can these people read newspaper print from two feet away.
10:29 pete_dushenski https://i.imgur.com/2ZECpM0.jpg << yup. 3rd from left. this, dear redditards and conference sluts, is what consensus looks like.
10:29 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1gwGebo )
10:30 pete_dushenski http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-09-2015#1278423 << hm.
10:30 assbot Logged on 18-09-2015 10:27:24; danielpbarron: ;;later tell copypaste wtf https://archive.is/VoUwR
10:30 funkenstein_ lol :)
10:32 pete_dushenski https://twitter.com/davoutplantaire/status/644762089735622656 << on the money, davout.
10:32 pete_dushenski danielpbarron: too bad noah smith will never see this ! https://twitter.com/danielpbarron/status/644331919375736833
10:33 funkenstein_ what distro is that? i've never seen that screen
10:33 pete_dushenski anyone else with a twitter account up for sending http://www.contravex.com/2015/09/16/noahthority-and-economists/ to @noahpinion ?
10:33 assbot Noahthority and “economists” | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/1FkP87M )
10:36 pete_dushenski "Noah Smith ‏@Noahpinion 21h21 hours ago : 9/The expansionist imperial period of 1930-45 was Japan's greatest heyday of power and prestige. It was also a period of great dynamism." << because the history of the world started in 1900 because that's all they taught us in social studies class in high school !
10:37 punkman funkenstein_: "can't defend himself, therefore has no value" "obese because can or something like that" << this is not a good way to argue
10:37 funkenstein_ punkman, I agree. That was my point.
10:37 funkenstein_ Or.. do you mean something else?
10:39 punkman funkenstein_: yes I'm talking about how you are making this point
10:39 funkenstein_ Yeah, well I relate to previous convos, sorry about that. How else can I improve it?
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10:40 pete_dushenski "Noah Smith ‏@Noahpinion 21h21 hours ago : 8/Japan is not traditionally a fascist country - or even a very centralized one. But collective memory doesn't go much past 1930." << my eyes are not bleeding. thx twitter. thx 'economists'.
10:40 pete_dushenski for cereal, why do i do this to myself ? why read this garbage ?
10:40 pete_dushenski s/not/now
10:40 funkenstein_ I'm also trying to help straighten out which lines of reasoning can be fruitful and which are dead ends
10:41 funkenstein_ pete_dushenski, how did this guy piss you off so much? :D
10:42 pete_dushenski by being born ?
10:42 funkenstein_ lol, so just general idiocy or did he hit a particularly sensitive spot?
10:43 pete_dushenski well, see noah's idiocy is quite specific and quite malicious
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10:43 shinohai retweeted danielpbarron 's tweet for ya pete_dushenski funny writeup :D
10:43 pete_dushenski cheers !
10:44 pete_dushenski the sensitive spot is that i'm guilty of trying to make sense of his insanity
10:45 pete_dushenski i'm apparently a sucker for punishment and noah serves it up on a silver platter
10:46 pete_dushenski i must not have enough to do in a day to find myself stooping to such levels
10:46 pete_dushenski watch, i'll have a half-dozen spawn just to block out this idiot noise from 'economists'
10:47 shinohai Everyone that has ever used a cloned shitcoin is an "economist" now
10:48 funkenstein_ anyway, nice piece you wrote from the trenches. someone had to do it.
10:48 jurov !rate belisk 1 quick btc trade
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10:48 pete_dushenski http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2015-09-17/primary-dealers-rigged-treasury-auctions-investor-lawsuit-says << “The only plausible explanation is that Defendants coordinated artificially to influence the results of the auctions in the primary market,”
10:48 assbot Primary Dealers Rigged Treasury Auctions, Investor Lawsuit Says - Bloomberg Business ... ( http://bit.ly/1P83MPM )
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10:49 pete_dushenski funkenstein_: grazie :)
10:49 jurov !v assbot:jurov.rate.belisk.1:c0a90a860dca743c1b39b5540280fa5bc263632f87557aea011100111b0942bb
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10:49 pete_dushenski “These analyses reveal a consistent pattern: Treasury auction yields were artificially high (and prices correspondingly low),” according to the complaint. “Defendants then turned around and sold the Treasuries at higher prices (and correspondingly lower yields) in the secondary markets, reaping substantial profits.”
10:52 funkenstein_ 240k TX yesterday, anybody know supwiddat?
11:04 pete_dushenski !up Pierre_Rochard
11:04 pete_dushenski how goes the wall street dream, my man ?
11:05 Pierre_Rochard manager insisted copy/pasting all day > programming for a few hours. So that didn’t last long
11:06 pete_dushenski orly ??
11:06 Pierre_Rochard now enjoying a sabbatical, learning C++ so I can finally ~understand the bitcoin blackbox
11:07 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38179 @ 0.00075074 = 28.6625 BTC [-]
11:07 pete_dushenski falling down the rabbit hole.
11:07 Pierre_Rochard pete_dushenski: congratulations on the newborn!
11:07 pete_dushenski Pierre_Rochard: what bank was this copypasta at ?
11:08 pete_dushenski Pierre_Rochard: ah, mais merci :D
11:08 Pierre_Rochard not a bank, more of an information aggregator like bloomberg - http://caissallc.com/
11:08 assbot Caissa - Alternative Investment, Fund of Funds and Financial Risk Management Software | Caissa ... ( http://bit.ly/1V0tPiZ )
11:09 jurov hi BeliSK
11:09 BeliSK hi :)
11:11 mats http://www.improbable.com/ig/winners/#ig2015
11:11 assbot Improbable Research ... ( http://bit.ly/1V0u8Kw )
11:12 mats 2015 Ig Nobel Prize winners.
11:12 pete_dushenski Pierre_Rochard: so
11:12 pete_dushenski Pierre_Rochard: so 'alternative' means anything but eh
11:12 pete_dushenski or only applies to 'investment' and not funds or software
11:13 funkenstein_ A friend of mine was talking this project up, I thought it might be of interest here and didn't find it in the logs: http://saltlang.wordpress.com
11:13 assbot Salt Programming Language Project | Project and design blog for the Salt programming language project ... ( http://bit.ly/1P8avcq )
11:14 pete_dushenski mats: i remember one of the ignoble winners from a few years back having researched 'why do computer cables become tangled'
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11:15 pete_dushenski actually seems more valuable than 'social sciences' in hindsight
11:19 deedbot- [BitBet Bets Bets] 1.01010101 BTC on 'No' - The ETH scam won't see 2016 - http://bitbet.us/bet/1199/the-eth-scam-wont-see-2016/#b9
11:20 pete_dushenski http://z9hbb3mwou383x1930ve0ugl.wpengine.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/Census-2014-Afterburn.pdf << burning man demographics
11:20 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1P8bNEl )
11:29 punkman another cryptome post http://www.twitlonger.com/show/n_1snfs2o
11:29 assbot TwitLonger — When you talk too much for Twitter ... ( http://bit.ly/1P8e4Q0 )
11:29 punkman "Crypto keys leak, loss and theft happens, but disclosure of passphrase like Assange's to journo to book for State cables a classic PR ploy."
11:29 punkman I got no clue
11:30 pete_dushenski total schizo
11:31 pete_dushenski https://onetoday.google.com/page/refugeerelief?c=CA << the g00gs will match your donation. they promise !
11:31 assbot Google Refugee and Migrant Response ... ( http://bit.ly/1V0wTf0 )
11:32 pete_dushenski http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=16-09-2015#1276359 << hm. oops.
11:32 assbot Logged on 16-09-2015 15:04:52; asciilifeform: 'Donate to help refugees and migrants in urgent need. We'll match your donation.' << google.
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11:47 kakobrekla http://i.imgur.com/taxG5ec.png
11:47 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1P8ioPj )
11:48 pete_dushenski http://40.media.tumblr.com/d01543a29c89ee4b4dc9a857191fe48f/tumblr_ns8jupBku31qa5vjdo1_1280.jpg << never obsolete
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11:48 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1P8iI0m )
11:49 pete_dushenski 566 mhz intel celeron, 64 mb ram, 15 gb hd, winbloze 98
11:49 kakobrekla and "game ports".
11:51 pete_dushenski and aol version 5.0 included.
11:57 pete_dushenski !up ascii_field
12:10 shinohai http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-09-2015#1278557 <<< I still had one of these 5 yrs ago using it as a fileserver xD
12:10 assbot Logged on 18-09-2015 15:48:16; pete_dushenski: http://40.media.tumblr.com/d01543a29c89ee4b4dc9a857191fe48f/tumblr_ns8jupBku31qa5vjdo1_1280.jpg << never obsolete
12:13 ascii_field pet had this box when we met
12:14 ascii_field http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-09-2015#1278541 << this is actually a fairly deep problem, and, afaik, unsolved
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12:14 assbot Logged on 18-09-2015 15:14:51; pete_dushenski: mats: i remember one of the ignoble winners from a few years back having researched 'why do computer cables become tangled'
12:18 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 79700 @ 0.00075475 = 60.1536 BTC [+] {5}
12:21 pete_dushenski http://www.pnas.org/content/104/42/16432.abstract << 2008 winner of physics 'ignoble'
12:21 assbot Spontaneous knotting of an agitated string ... ( http://bit.ly/1V03jAW )
12:23 * ascii_field recalls reading this, and thinking that it does not rise to a 'solution'
12:23 pete_dushenski same. just 'area of research'
12:25 PeterL http://xkcd.com/1579/ << a description of ascii_field's complaints about computers?
12:25 assbot xkcd: Tech Loops ... ( http://bit.ly/1V03AE4 )
12:25 ascii_field one such.
12:26 pete_dushenski ascii_field: aka 'look what we spent bezzle talking about'
12:26 mats at the suggestion of an acquaintance, am re-reading 'A Fire Upon the Deep'
12:27 * ascii_field liked it
12:29 mats acquaintance noted that vinge had an idea that predates 'the cult of langsec'
12:29 asciilifeform !up ascii_field
12:29 mats that is: translation to an intermediate language with low expressive power, then back to whatever's parsed by original recipient,as a means of avoiding pwnage by a powerful adversary
12:30 ascii_field the funny part is that this is actually how you ~guarantee~ ease of pwnage
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12:31 mats you think so?
12:31 ascii_field aha
12:31 ascii_field x86.
12:31 ascii_field QED.
12:31 ascii_field the yarn had some imaginative and perhaps even good ideas, this was not one of these
12:33 mats well, as you like to remind so often, x86 ain't everything there is.
12:33 ascii_field no but the basic idea of turning a high-level message into incomprehensible ground beef
12:33 ascii_field (the actual result of translating from more-expressive language to a less-)
12:33 ascii_field invariably subtracts from fits-in-head.
12:34 mats anyway, the langsec idea goes, input validation has a striking similarity to program verification, precluding inputs from driving unexpected state and computation
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12:35 ascii_field program verification is 1) provably unsolvable in the general case 2) to the extent it adds complexity and overall logical mass and subtracts from fit-in-head-ability, it is ~an evil~
12:37 mats yes, and if you reject a inputs outside of a defined set of formal-izable grammars, the more constrained the model and subsequently greater approachability towards program verification
12:38 ascii_field it is certainly both possible and useful in narrow cases. see the ada threads
12:38 ascii_field but as an overall panacea, it is a usgism.
12:40 mats how conspiratorial.
12:40 pete_dushenski lol
12:40 BingoBoingo Consipracy, Conspiracy never ends
12:41 ascii_field mats: i don't know where you are posting from, but on my planet we recently saw astonishingly brazen clandestine techno-diddlatrons blown wide open.
12:41 ascii_field mats: we are also bedeviled by pseudoscientific academitards who push them as 'security research'
12:43 BingoBoingo Actual security research takes the form "X barrier can resist breach by thermal lance at Y intensity for Z minutes"
12:45 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26000 @ 0.00076195 = 19.8107 BTC [+] {3}
12:46 mats USG is a fount of grants for certain fields, computer security is one of those blessed. consideration of all USG research as poisoned fruit is your prerogative, but for me, extraordinary and specific claims require extraordinarily specific evidence. like someone diddling an IR parser.
12:47 ascii_field mats: it isn't even that 'don't use the work of dr. x., it will kill you'
12:47 ascii_field but that overall DIRECTIONS of research that are given support by usg in past decade are specifically counterproductive
12:47 ascii_field calculatedly.
12:48 ascii_field e.g., the push for movement from rsa to ecc
12:48 ascii_field accompanied by unsubstantiated claims of 'equivalence' between long rsa and short ecc key 'hardnesses'
12:49 ascii_field find me ~someone, anyone~ funded by american dollars who puts forth the opposing view from this.
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12:49 pete_dushenski obligatory : http://trilema.com/2014/how-to-deal-with-pseudoscience/
12:49 assbot How to deal with pseudoscience ? on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1MRVDzE )
12:49 ascii_field the thing is brazen and one-sided enough to make u.s. 'climatology' look good.
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12:50 pete_dushenski anyways mats, whatever they're paying you, you're definitely dancing hard enough for it.
12:50 pete_dushenski or is that too conspiratorial of me ?
12:50 ascii_field pete_dushenski: iirc mats admitted to merely ~wishing~ to be bought
12:50 mats yes, this is all well and good, but we were talking about IR parsers
12:51 pete_dushenski 'careful what you wish for, you just might get it' (tm) (r)
12:51 ascii_field mats: and i was talking about hygiene.
12:51 ascii_field hygiene does pointedly ~not~ mean 'we must inspect every roadkill for edible bits'
12:52 mats or have we moved on to hand waving and accusations of being bought because honest discussion is too troublesome and insinuations about pwnage cannot be substantiated
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12:52 ascii_field mats: i pointedly do not care whether or by whom you were (or like to be) bought
12:52 ascii_field my statement concerned heuristics for what intellectual pursuits are worth bothering with, given limited resource
12:53 pete_dushenski https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K0K46C82v9o
12:53 assbot The Pussycat Dolls - When I Grow Up - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1ODpDR5 )
12:53 BingoBoingo OMG Gawker Media stereotypes asians, Picture of Asian holding a dog described as "delicious" https://archive.is/kSKeQ
12:53 assbot Delicious, Meaty Dogs Available in San Diego ... ( http://bit.ly/1ODpFIE )
12:57 mats then i suppose I'll conclude with disagreeing this is an unworthy area of research.
12:58 ascii_field thing is, brain cycles worth half a damn are scarce.
12:58 pete_dushenski https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e35PfbiTGvk << what inflation ?? only increased in 'value' 12x in 12 years. no reason to raise rates here.
12:58 assbot Record Setting $13.75 Million McLaren F1 - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1V05Rz9 )
12:58 ascii_field usg has a very effective program for soaking them up
12:59 ascii_field on items GUARANTEED not to result in serious dings to 'nothing is beyond our reach' (e.g., full techno-lustration silicon and upwards)
12:59 ascii_field *from
13:00 BingoBoingo <ascii_field> usg has a very effective program for soaking them up << I'm pretty sure the push to get people into grad school rather than employment 2007-2011 was exactly this
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13:00 BingoBoingo !up ascii_field
13:00 ascii_field BingoBoingo: nah that's mainly panem et circenses
13:01 BingoBoingo ascii_field: Well that and taking a portion of hungry people and redirecting their worry so they burn themselves down instead of burning the whole show
13:01 ascii_field from usg's point of view, ANYTHING is better than having folks wake up to cpu-with-bounds-checking-on-all-ops and fits-in-head
13:03 mats well, if you ever decide to describe why 'langsec' et al. is a waste of time, i'd love to read it. you too, pete_dushenski.
13:04 mats waste of time, like whether and how advancement of formal languages for security is useful, or keeping input grammars regular whenever possible, verifiale parser, ...
13:04 ascii_field mats: start here: http://www.loper-os.org/?p=1390
13:04 assbot Loper OS » Of Decaying Urbits. ... ( http://bit.ly/1IKyhL9 )
13:04 ascii_field mats: note that i did not say 'waste of time'
13:05 ascii_field if pursued as pure mathematics, it can be a mildly respectable thing.
13:05 mats i am generally interested in these things because i like knowing about whether a given abstraction kills particular techniques
13:06 BingoBoingo http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/crime-and-courts/caseyville-officer-killed-self-in-patrol-car-investigators-say/article_f77ca807-173f-54f9-8490-2d25226ae99a.html
13:06 assbot Caseyville officer killed self in patrol car, investigators say : News ... ( http://bit.ly/1ODss4F )
13:06 ascii_field it is not an uninteresting subject. just as, say, historical climate patterns are not uninteresting. but both would become considerably more intellectually respectable if all of the current academic practitioners of each were to be shot.
13:12 mats now we're getting somewhere. which 'langsec' authors have a funny smell?
13:12 mats what papers smell funny?
13:12 punkman "LANGSEC posits that the only path to trustworthy software that takes untrusted inputs is treating all valid or expected inputs as a formal language, and the respective input-handling routines as a recognizer for that language."
13:13 punkman so what is the formal language when I grab random bytes off someone's HTTP?
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13:15 ascii_field this is fundamentally an example of what i was talking about.
13:15 ascii_field deceive people into failing to so much suspect that the root of their probems can be dealt with, without telling any lies in the usual sense of the word.
13:16 ascii_field this is not 'ordered from above' in the naive way imagined by hecklers of 'conspiratorial' matters
13:16 ascii_field instead, it is baked into the 'firmware' of academia as a thing.
13:16 ascii_field no one who actually ~solves~ problems at the eliminate-a-whole-field level is remotely welcome.
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13:16 ascii_field this is elementary.
13:17 mats well, just a thought here, functional programming looks like a better path forward than ada, if only because its easier to automate
13:17 ascii_field automate ?
13:17 mats automating formal analyses
13:17 pete_dushenski bwahahha
13:17 ascii_field mats: i ~like~ functional programming, understand.
13:17 ascii_field purely aesthetically.
13:18 ascii_field but there is no such thing, in our universe, as a 'functional' cpu.
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13:18 ascii_field and the data structures popular among 'functionality' aficionados are not physically possible, but instead are clunkily emulated ('immutability') with actual ones
13:19 ascii_field mats: for instance, i like 'ml' (language.) but i will not close my eyes to the fact that garbage collector is a cross-process info leaker.
13:20 ascii_field not to mention a source of nondeterminism
13:20 ascii_field my other problem is that i have not yet found an implementation of ml language that fits-in-head.
13:20 ascii_field this is not negotiable.
13:23 ascii_field and yes, i guess, being concerned with the number of intellectual 'cpu cycles' needed to fully grasp the ~implementation~ of the language and the machine under it - makes me a t3rr0r1st11111
13:26 ascii_field https://cryptome.org/2015/09/sobh-attacked-doe.htm << l0l. Run Moar Winblowz, usg !
13:26 assbot SOBH Attacked DOE ... ( http://bit.ly/1V07UTE )
13:30 mats i research what folks are doing to incrementally raise the cost of attack, because there is interesting work being done there, this is where the money is, and we are all living with various design decisions that can't be undone at low cost.
13:31 mats and obviously systems that can provably prevent things from happening are preferable...
13:31 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 52300 @ 0.00075074 = 39.2637 BTC [-]
13:31 asciilifeform !up ascii_field
13:31 ascii_field the only thing the offerings of usg ~provably~ are able to do is to lighten your wallet.
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13:32 punkman mats: I'm all for langsec and chipsec and whatever other brand they come up with, but I don't see anyone getting anywhere
13:32 mats EMET's mitigations don't look good. and don't obviously categorically defeat classes of bugs.
13:32 mats maybe this is just not the place for me to bring up such discussions, when folks clearly are not interested in this kind of research
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13:36 ascii_field mats: try #bitcoin-wizards
13:36 ascii_field (in all seriousness)
13:36 ascii_field buncha haskell nerds, etc. there.
13:36 mats i read the logs sometimes.
13:38 ascii_field understand, i have no objection to tools such as computerized theorem-proving, data flow analysis, etc. except in that these are put forward as ~substitutes for fits-in-head simplicity~.
13:38 ascii_field there is not a substitute.
13:39 ascii_field anyone who proposes one, directly or by implication, is (whether he knows it or not) committing pseudointellectual flimflammery in the service of hitler.
13:42 pete_dushenski !b 3
13:42 assbot Last 3 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/28DGKB7.txt )
13:43 mats punkman: have you read any of the papers?
13:44 ascii_field to my shame, ~i~ habitually read these.
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13:44 ascii_field i ~like~ the idea of 'this quicksort will provably not overstep its bounds.' but much better is ~this quicksort can as easily overstep its bounds as my car can start itself and drive to alaska'
13:45 ascii_field and the ultimate litmus test for whether a proposed security mechanism is usgistic: 'does this item INCREASE - or DECREASE - the amount of complexity present in the system, for which i must defer to someone's authority to determine whether it does what was promised ?'
13:46 punkman mats, probably above my paygrade, but I'll have a look at them
13:46 ascii_field e.g., it is good and well to have, g.g., a hindley milner type inference system, or theorem prover,
13:46 mats http://openwall.info/wiki/_media/people/jvanegue/files/spw15_heap_models_vanegue.pdf << 'state of the research' progress report.
13:46 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1V0I6fv )
13:46 ascii_field but now i have to UNDERSTAND HOW THEY WORK
13:46 ascii_field expecting me to just swallow 100MB of whateverthefuck source, WON'T FLY
13:47 ascii_field no pasaran, motherfuckers.
13:47 ascii_field likewise, 'mitigations' which ultimately prolong the agony of c/c++/c-machine - are works of evil.
13:48 ascii_field let the thing die, for fuck's sake.
13:48 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 43300 @ 0.00076459 = 33.1067 BTC [+] {3}
13:52 mats so in the future i think i'll be taking these discussions to PM, if this is something you'd be interested in, ascii_field
13:52 ascii_field nope.
13:52 ascii_field public or nothing.
13:53 mats i figured i'd spare log readers from my blathering. and pete_dushenski's background chirping.
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13:53 ascii_field i like to 1) educate people 2) refer to logs in the future
13:53 punkman mats, discuss away, why not
13:53 ascii_field saves my keyboard the wear, appreciate.
13:53 mats dunno that anyone even cares, now
13:53 pete_dushenski i care, this is deeply educational
13:53 mats 10/10 times it is just alf and i.
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13:54 ascii_field and log.
13:54 ascii_field and mircea_popescu when he wakes up.
13:54 deedbot- [Qntra] Ferguson Government's Creditworthiness Reclassified as 'Junk' - http://qntra.net/2015/09/ferguson-governments-creditworthiness-reclassified-as-junk/
13:58 trinque mats: sometimes people sit back and enjoy the conversation
13:59 BingoBoingo ^
14:00 trinque http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=28-07-2015#1214613
14:00 assbot Logged on 28-07-2015 02:41:28; trinque: lost on most is the value of being yelled at by a learned person.
14:00 punkman mats, so what kind of parsing are you doing for the keyserver?
14:01 ascii_field my views re: 'let's do pm' are roughly similar to those of mircea_popescu.
14:03 kakobrekla mp criteria is 'do i know you'.
14:03 pete_dushenski plus, cui bono
14:05 BingoBoingo !up ascii_field
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14:45 punkman "You should have a bunch of feelings when using computers. Excitement. Pride. Delight. Amazement. Curiousity. Yes, even frustration and anger. But you generally should not feel despair. You should not be feeling desperation. You really shouldn’t."
14:45 punkman "An architecture and environment that could lead you into this situation, where you are helpless and wronged and did nothing but what you were told was right, and then punished quite severely, is very wrong. It is the opposite of what a computer and technology should do."
14:49 kakobrekla http://www.nytimes.com/2015/09/19/business/volkswagen-is-ordered-to-recall-nearly-500000-vehicles-over-emissions-software.html?_r=0
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14:49 assbot Log In - The New York Times ... ( http://bit.ly/1KlnyX5 )
14:50 pete_dushenski "The device is programmed to detect when the car is undergoing official emissions testing, and to only turn on full emissions control systems during that testing. Those controls are turned off during normal driving situations, when the vehicles pollute far more heavily than reported by the manufacturer, the E.P.A. said." << kek
14:51 punkman how the hell do they detect that
14:52 pete_dushenski my guess : someone snitched
14:52 punkman I mean the emissions testing
14:54 pete_dushenski either a) when anything plugs into the obd-ii port, or b) the whole thing is a parallel construction to keep ze germans at bay against tbtf 'domestics'
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14:54 pete_dushenski like the whole toyota 'unintended acceleration' dealio from ~2008
15:01 punkman http://openwall.com/lists/oss-security/2015/09/17/5
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15:01 assbot oss-security - s/party/hack like it's 1999 ... ( http://bit.ly/1KlopH0 )
15:02 kakobrekla >When I last bought a VW (2008) I was concerned due to a clunking noise after first starting it up and driving a few miles; I called the VW service dept and they explained that there was a compressor which captured exhaust fumes and released them at a lower rate for the first few miles of each journey -- to help them meet EPA emissions standards.
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15:03 kakobrekla dunno really, seems kinda sketchy to me
15:04 asciilifeform !up ascii_field
15:04 ascii_field kakobrekla: sounds like an ordinary exhaust turbocharger, no ?
15:04 ascii_field but presented in 'scam light'
15:05 kakobrekla mebbe
15:07 ascii_field http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-09-2015#1278738 << mircea_popescu will especially enjoy this one.
15:07 assbot Logged on 18-09-2015 19:01:52; punkman: http://openwall.com/lists/oss-security/2015/09/17/5
15:09 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28550 @ 0.00076243 = 21.7674 BTC [-] {2}
15:14 kakobrekla if the bar is so low that most existing and running code contains scamcode, no wonder why noone asks for an honest computer
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15:23 punkman http://oreoshake.github.io/xss/rce/bugbounty/2015/09/08/xss-to-rce.html lulz
15:23 assbot XSS to RCE in ... ... ( http://bit.ly/1KlpJda )
15:26 punkman https://climateimagination.asu.edu/clificontest/
15:26 assbot climate fiction contest - Imagination and Climate Futures Initiative ... ( http://bit.ly/1KlpYot )
15:27 punkman "The emerging subgenre of climate fiction"
15:32 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27377 @ 0.00075803 = 20.7526 BTC [-]
15:37 BingoBoingo !up ascii_field
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16:10 jurov ;;seen davout
16:10 gribble davout was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 4 days, 7 hours, 33 minutes, and 47 seconds ago: <davout> ohai asseteristas
16:19 mats punkman: top-down
16:20 mats unless I am misunderstanding your question.
16:35 mircea_popescu good morning cultists!
16:37 mats i'm on my third attempt at this and i still haven't quite wrapped my head around rfc4880 as well as the behavior of various gpg versions
16:37 asciilifeform !up ascii_field
16:37 ascii_field oh mats, you're in for such a treat!
16:37 ascii_field wait till you do rsa padding !
16:37 mats and i'm not so sure i'm the person for the job
16:37 ascii_field (e.g., rfc 2437)
16:38 ascii_field btw i'm half-convinced that the existing 'padding' (what a terrible misnomer!) schemes are voodoo.
16:39 mircea_popescu mats well the exercise is useful anyway.
16:39 mircea_popescu ascii_field makes two of us.
16:39 mircea_popescu the only correct way would be to PROVE the padding works for the coding scheme. this afaik was never EVEN DISCUSSED let alone attempted, and forget succeeded.
16:39 mircea_popescu so consequently... they must be.
16:39 ascii_field it was discussed. half-heartedly.
16:40 ascii_field but never seriously contemplated by 'standards body' (no prized for saying why)
16:40 ascii_field *prizes
16:42 ascii_field iirc bleichenbacher's attack works with all currently standardized padding (wtf plz can has another word for this !!!) schemes
16:45 punkman mats, are you using that Hammer library linked from langsec www?
16:46 mircea_popescu shitting.
16:48 ascii_field the basic idea of 'padding' is that before you can really use rsa, you have to proclaim 'i will NEVER EVEN consider a blob that doesn't decrypt to this-standard-boilerplate-and-the-payload' - or, in the case of signatures, 'it is ~not~ a signature unless the signed payload is such-and-such-boilerplate-and-THEN-the-actual-payload'
16:48 ascii_field the reason for this is that (as anyone who stayed awake in kindergarten ??) knows, rsa operation is malleable
16:49 mircea_popescu mmm
16:50 mircea_popescu you know it occurs to me, this is not necessarily the correct approach to the malleability problem.
16:51 mircea_popescu specifically : it is not useful to have fixed "boilerplate".
16:51 ascii_field no shit
16:51 mircea_popescu it is true that if you try to "unfixed" it by using key info you necessarily leak key bits
16:51 mircea_popescu however, rng is no good because now you leak rng bits, which ARE key bits.
16:52 ascii_field if your rng key bits 'are key bits' you're sunk
16:52 ascii_field *rng bits are
16:52 mircea_popescu rng bits are always key bits.
16:52 ascii_field only when you stuff'em in a key
16:52 ascii_field otherwise they're just bits.
16:52 mircea_popescu basic systems security is "attacker should not be able to read the machien rng".
16:52 ascii_field if your rng is worth half a pence
16:52 mircea_popescu that's what it is .
16:53 mircea_popescu i propose to you that this view of boxen security is inconsiderate.
16:53 ascii_field obviously if you use the ~same~ rng bits to generate key as you also made available to someone else, then you're dead
16:53 mircea_popescu they're not "just bits".
16:53 mircea_popescu no, matter of principle.
16:53 mircea_popescu the internals of the box must noit be exposed TO THIS STANDARD.
16:53 mircea_popescu am i making any sense or sohuld i restate ?
16:54 mats punkman: no, although i read some of it several months ago. interesting, right?
16:56 ascii_field mircea_popescu: restate
16:57 mircea_popescu the notion of "box was owned" is never really defined, and intuitively is equated with "have a root prompt". this is uninteresting.
16:57 mircea_popescu the interesting notion is, "box was not owned". and the standard for this is, "there is no way for attacker to read /urand"
16:57 ascii_field it is more productive to separate 'owned' into two basic categories, read- and write- if you will. sorta like the two basic ways to cheat at cards
16:57 ascii_field (peeking vs deck-stacking)
16:57 mircea_popescu any program which allows for the attacker to read in any sense the rng is not necessarily owning the box, but necessarily not part of the not-owning-the-box set either
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16:58 ascii_field what i was trying to say is that if your rng bits are not independent of one another, you don't have an rng.
16:58 mircea_popescu but you never will have a rng in that sense.
16:59 ascii_field and if they ~are~ independent, you can give 1MB to me and another 1MB to hitler, and so long as they are not overlapping, hitler does not win
16:59 mircea_popescu it is a fucking numeric machine ffs.
17:00 mircea_popescu so. they will be, at best, "relatively independent" as in "sufficient for the task at hand". this is great. so long as the above standard of security is observed.
17:00 mircea_popescu (and in most practical circumstances, a good chunk of the benefit of airgapping is that it ipso facto satisfies the above security standard)
17:00 ascii_field no shit
17:01 mircea_popescu right.
17:01 ascii_field presently it is the only means of properly losing the bits used to generate a key.
17:01 mircea_popescu so "rng boilerplate" MAY be a usable solution, but MUST NOT be dependend on going forward.
17:01 ascii_field (and those produced in intermediate calculations involving it)
17:01 mircea_popescu !up TheButterZone
17:02 TheButterZone so i noticed a few users in here had negrated tradefortress, and thought you might like to know he's been lurking as unicodesnowman
17:02 TheButterZone https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1184037.0
17:02 assbot TradeFortress tied to Hashie.co exit scam ... ( http://bit.ly/1QMElo9 )
17:03 mats punkman: if it was not clear, i am handrolling the pgp packet parser in python (watta mouthful). and not having a good time of it.
17:04 mircea_popescu how'd you know that ?
17:05 TheButterZone know what
17:05 mircea_popescu you just made a statement. how do you know and how can we verify the truthfulness of it.
17:06 * shinohai pops popcorn
17:06 kakobrekla you cant bring your own food here.
17:07 * jurov throws his bottle to kakobrekla
17:07 kakobrekla ouch.
17:07 mircea_popescu assbot dispenses food ?
17:07 assbot if you ask nicely
17:08 mircea_popescu honestly i'd much rather eat from titsbot.
17:08 mircea_popescu !up ascii_field
17:08 assbot you get what you pay for!
17:08 BingoBoingo !b 5
17:08 assbot Last 5 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/3GRYDWS.txt )
17:08 jurov !feed
17:09 assbot poop
17:09 BingoBoingo lol
17:09 mircea_popescu http://qntra.net/2015/09/y-combinator-too-generic-to-trademark/#comment-58525 << damned zeke party pooper ruining qntra agenda pushing!
17:09 assbot "Y Combinator" Too Generic To Trademark | Qntra ... ( http://bit.ly/1QMFpZ0 )
17:09 mircea_popescu people are srsly not supposed to know shit in this much detail.
17:12 TheButterZone unicodesnowman has wikipedia cloak. unicodesnowman on wikimedia code review uses admin@glados.cc. admin@glados.cc was used to report bugs in chromium for coinchat.org and hashie.co
17:12 mircea_popescu aha!
17:12 BingoBoingo http://qntra.net/2015/09/y-combinator-too-generic-to-trademark/#comment-58636
17:12 assbot "Y Combinator" Too Generic To Trademark | Qntra ... ( http://bit.ly/1OkeUvJ )
17:13 mircea_popescu danke TheButterZone :)
17:14 mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-09-2015#1278419 << it should perhaps be pointed out that any thinking individuals who happen to be ~15 and female think themselves "weird". one has to be particularly bovine to not notice just how fucking unexpectedly weird being female is, and at that age the observation is novel.
17:14 assbot Logged on 18-09-2015 10:19:12; danielpbarron: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-09-2015#1278233 << one of those recently followed me on twatter. https://twitter.com/oddteenager/status/584227084194680833
17:16 mircea_popescu As you can see he joined Google Code-in on behalf of wikimedia. << soi basically what we have here is a well known scammer representing wikimedia / wikipedia foundation at google hackerthons and whatnot ?
17:16 mircea_popescu why am i not surprised.
17:17 mircea_popescu BingoBoingo you suppose that angle's qntra-prosecutable ? "ex pedo's website now represented by bitcoin scammers"
17:19 mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-09-2015#1278428 << shocking, isn't it ? o hey, if hitler did it it was bad, but here's out last hope for "humanity" : blow everything to bits!!1 because going back to the stone age was a horrible plan when it was called Nerobefehl buit a spiffy idea when we came up with it (without, as is the socialist habit, even quoting sources!)
17:19 assbot Logged on 18-09-2015 11:33:04; danielpbarron: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-09-2015#1278344 >> Of course, this outcome will likely lead to billions of deaths. This is a price we are forced to pay, to avoid the eternal enslavement of humanity to a tiny elite. << the socialist would rather kill everyone than have them be humble servants
17:20 mircea_popescu moreover, notice how they call America "Africa" for some reason. but it's fucking obvious that the place that will be raped throiugh "government sponsored cellphones to stick together with" is the us.
17:24 BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: I'd have to think on it. TheButterZone if you'd like to submit the piece to qntra using that angle...
17:29 mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-09-2015#1278440 << i actually tried it. spiffy gfx, checkers.
17:29 assbot Logged on 18-09-2015 13:31:37; mats: i don't get why people enjoy the online card game 'Hearthstone'
17:31 cazalla http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-09-2015#1277187 <<< a winner is you! looks like ahmed was actually trying to win the nigga lotto https://archive.is/O3lZc
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17:31 assbot Logged on 17-09-2015 01:40:50; asciilifeform: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CPCYHKzVAAAJG6w.jpg:large << close-up photograph. if i could bet on this, i would bet a few coin that he ~busted open an ordinary alarm clock~ to make this
17:31 assbot Reverse Engineering Ahmed Mohamed’s Clock… and Ourselves. | Tech Voice ... ( http://bit.ly/1Okhq5h )
17:31 mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-09-2015#1278455 << epic.
17:31 assbot Logged on 18-09-2015 14:02:13; assbot: Chinese iOS devs download Xcode from 3rd-party, spyware was added in compile time for many popular Chinese iOS apps (raw report Chinese) : netsec ... ( http://bit.ly/1LCl4Bp )
17:33 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 49600 @ 0.00076858 = 38.1216 BTC [+] {3}
17:33 mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-09-2015#1278463 << i have nfi.
17:33 assbot Logged on 18-09-2015 14:25:21; funkenstein_: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-09-2015#1278429 <-- isn't this thing three years old now? iirc there are a number of variants circulating
17:35 mircea_popescu funkenstein_: how about some consistency folks << wut is this inconsistency you has found in the holy scriptures ?
17:36 mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-09-2015#1278473 << i doubt anyone seriously proposed there's any value to the destroyed 2yo. the interest, at least to my understanding, stems from the instruction ot be had for one's own life.
17:36 assbot Logged on 18-09-2015 14:28:15; funkenstein_: are at it http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-09-2015#1277699 <-- can't defend himself, therefore has no value
17:39 mircea_popescu https://twitter.com/davoutplantaire/status/644762089735622656 << well this is actually true. if you don't buttseks the woman with some regularity she'll never be comfortable with it.
17:40 mircea_popescu pete_dushenski :to @noahpinion ? << whossat ?
17:41 mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-09-2015#1278493 <<< you could improve it by making sense, and you would perhaps manage to make sense if you put some effort into understanding the very basic yet so often overlooked point that a good birthday present is not something YOU would like.
17:41 assbot Logged on 18-09-2015 14:39:47; funkenstein_: Yeah, well I relate to previous convos, sorry about that. How else can I improve it?
17:43 mircea_popescu i get it, the view you're trying to argue against is contentious to you and involves you emotionally. this is fine but also not a problem of it, and consequently while the excuse "im flailing madly because that thing really bothered me" may serve to blind your own evaluator, it won't work similarly for anyone else.
17:46 mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-09-2015#1278501 << seems petey's on a "ferret out the enemies of la revolucion" kick.
17:46 assbot Logged on 18-09-2015 14:43:15; pete_dushenski: well, see noah's idiocy is quite specific and quite malicious
17:47 mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-09-2015#1278513 << bwhahahaah.
17:47 assbot Logged on 18-09-2015 14:48:56; assbot: Primary Dealers Rigged Treasury Auctions, Investor Lawsuit Says - Bloomberg Business ... ( http://bit.ly/1P83MPM )
17:47 mircea_popescu THEY WERE JUST TRYING TO PROP UP THE ECONOMY! and create jobs! and growth!
17:47 mircea_popescu you know, exactly what usg does EVERY DAY
17:49 mircea_popescu http://www.improbable.com/ig/2009/images/Ketterle-Bodnar-Pamuk-Krugman-400pix.gif <<< ahahaah the bra/facemask
17:49 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1OkjVUZ )
17:50 mircea_popescu every kid with big boob'd sister's dream since early childhood.
17:51 mircea_popescu REFERENCE: "Duration of Urination Does Not Change With Body Size," Patricia J. Yang, Jonathan Pham, Jerome Choo, and David L. Hu, Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences, 2014
17:51 mircea_popescu this isn't bad.
17:52 mircea_popescu MATHEMATICS PRIZE — Elisabeth Oberzaucher [AUSTRIA, GERMANY, UK] and Karl Grammer [AUSTRIA, GERMANY], for trying to use mathematical techniques to determine whether and how Moulay Ismael the Bloodthirsty, the Sharifian Emperor of Morocco, managed, during the years from 1697 through 1727, to father 888 children.
17:52 mircea_popescu dude the ignobel this year has been utter bs.
17:54 deedbot- [Qntra] US Increases Fee to Relinquish Citizenship and Residency - http://qntra.net/2015/09/us-increases-fee-to-relinquish-citizenship-and-residency/
17:54 mircea_popescu to no-ones surprise.
17:54 mircea_popescu just you wait until obama offers to give citizenship to illegal aliens
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17:55 mircea_popescu and they riot because they don't want it .
17:56 mircea_popescu check it out ascii_field, you just lost 5 bitcoins.
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17:57 mircea_popescu more like 10 actually.
17:58 mircea_popescu next one will probably be 10k ish.
17:59 mircea_popescu http://i.imgur.com/taxG5ec.png << ahahaha win.
17:59 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1P8ioPj )
18:00 mod6 haha
18:01 mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-09-2015#1278566 << it is solved to my satisfaction. if there are two cables involved, the non-tangly approach is to switch overhand once, underhand once, and repeat in this exact pattern. most people always do overhand (or underhand) and so they obtain max tangle. some more intelligent (or just mentally disorganised people) do randomly alternating u/o, which results in sqrt n tang
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18:01 assbot Logged on 18-09-2015 16:14:06; ascii_field: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-09-2015#1278541 << this is actually a fairly deep problem, and, afaik, unsolved
18:01 mircea_popescu le factor, which also limits to infinity.
18:01 mircea_popescu a classical problem where saving state is more expensive than dealing with consequences.
18:03 cazalla http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-09-2015#1278891 http://www.theguardian.com/film/2015/sep/18/emily-blunt-apologises-for-poking-fun-at-her-american-citizenship
18:03 assbot Logged on 18-09-2015 21:54:55; mircea_popescu: just you wait until obama offers to give citizenship to illegal aliens
18:03 assbot Emily Blunt apologises for poking fun at her American citizenship | Film | The Guardian ... ( http://bit.ly/1OklHp8 )
18:03 mircea_popescu (cables usually tangle by the plug/unplug cycle. not always, but the same process is at work in "tangling a trodden coil" etc.)
18:05 mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-09-2015#1278582 << this happens to be how provability works too!
18:05 assbot Logged on 18-09-2015 16:30:41; ascii_field: the funny part is that this is actually how you ~guarantee~ ease of pwnage
18:05 mircea_popescu to prove properties of the system === to express them in a language with nil expressivity.
18:15 punkman mats: punkman: if it was not clear, i am handrolling the pgp packet parser in python (watta mouthful). and not having a good time of it. << I think you might have to come up << you should probably throw out a bunch of idiocies contained in the canonical rfc
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18:15 punkman (just ignore that unfinished thought in the middle there)
18:18 mircea_popescu actually the gpg specification is so miserable, a code prototype in the way of bitcoind as an intermediate step to rescuing the standard and restating it properly is prolly unavoidable.
18:20 mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-09-2015#1278592 << i am unpersuaded by this proposition.
18:20 assbot Logged on 18-09-2015 16:34:15; mats: anyway, the langsec idea goes, input validation has a striking similarity to program verification, precluding inputs from driving unexpected state and computation
18:21 mircea_popescu program verification is much more about making sure the program doesn't bypass your gate by going behind your back than about making sure it doesn't smuggle undesirable items through your gate.
18:21 mircea_popescu this attempt to reduce program verification to input verification can'treally be regarded in any terms other than, "an attempt to further entrench the deals going behind your back".
18:22 mircea_popescu tellingly, when the romanian politicians benefitting from cigarette contraband wanted to protect their revenue source, they passed legislation to curtail border police arrest powers in the marshes and bought them expensive detectors for the border points.
18:23 mircea_popescu which they had to spend a year+ learning how to use.
18:23 mircea_popescu thus in early 2000s, in spite of a 10x increase in border police budget (mostly eu sponsored), the quantity of actual contraband jumped 10x.
18:25 deedbot- [BitBet Bets Bets] 6.00000000 BTC on 'Yes' - The ETH scam won't see 2016 - http://bitbet.us/bet/1199/the-eth-scam-wont-see-2016/#b10
18:30 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35750 @ 0.00076877 = 27.4835 BTC [+] {5}
18:30 deedbot- [Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski » Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski] The goldfish telling the great white shark what life’s like in the ocean, and other logical fallacies. - http://www.contravex.com/2015/09/18/the-goldfish-telling-the-great-white-shark-what-lifes-like-in-the-ocean-and-other-logical-fallacies/
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18:34 mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-09-2015#1278610 << the view is valid, if mats is curious of my position. nobody cares about the actual "names" / "careers" involved, as per the pseudoscience article, they can be safely ignored. the important point however is that while usg spends a lot of money on "research", the expenditure is PREDICATED on it being "research", ie, not actual research. it is perhaps true that on
18:34 assbot Logged on 18-09-2015 16:49:12; ascii_field: find me ~someone, anyone~ funded by american dollars who puts forth the opposing view from this.
18:34 mircea_popescu e equipped with infinite patience may find isolated useful items in that outpour. it is necessarily true however that such finds won't be worth the expense. this is not coincidental - consider the earlier discussion as to how we distinguish usg disinfo from genuinely interesting items. http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-09-2015#1266663 etc.
18:34 assbot Logged on 08-09-2015 21:38:00; mircea_popescu: obviously they don't want the actual holes to be known, but sticking to their wants so closely begets failure.
18:35 mircea_popescu so, usg-"earth sciences", usg-"computer security", usg-"womens studies", usg-whathaveyou are in fact actually worthless.
18:35 mircea_popescu they're less than worthless if you're the sort of fellow who proceeds naively, and will spend his (limited) time trying to make sense of the nonsense.
18:35 mircea_popescu but, at a certain age, say before 30 or so, this sort of waste is actually wise and to be encouraged, because it is in fact how men become men.
18:36 mircea_popescu so i don't think ~you~ are wasting your time digging through the shitpile. you aren't. don't expect us to do it tho, because we would be wasting our time.
18:39 mircea_popescu (and it would be actually worse an outcome if one were to just pretend agreement with alf, or me, and imagine himself the better of some kid who disagrees or doesn't agree and goes ahead to waste his time.)
18:44 mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-09-2015#1278613 << climatologism looks particularly bad because it was so egregious. none of the people involved were any good at any point. the fact that the usg has managed to marshal the equivalent of local mcdonalds supervisors into "science" is really very much calked off the soviets' "here's this apprentice shoemaker who is our expert biologist". it has no known equivalent o
18:44 assbot Logged on 18-09-2015 16:49:51; ascii_field: the thing is brazen and one-sided enough to make u.s. 'climatology' look good.
18:44 mircea_popescu utside of the ~EARLY~ naive attempts at "a purely soviet science". early, naive attempts eventually disowned by the politburo itself once russia was richj enough to not be frighteningly poor anymore.
18:45 mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-09-2015#1278621 << i wouldn't be too worried about that.
18:45 assbot Logged on 18-09-2015 16:52:02; mats: or have we moved on to hand waving and accusations of being bought because honest discussion is too troublesome and insinuations about pwnage cannot be substantiated
18:45 mircea_popescu the reverse'd be more worrying.
18:46 mircea_popescu but that aside, honest discussion is not troublesome.
18:52 mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-09-2015#1278635 << if you're so inclined, the push to make men sexually insecure as a sort of "celebration of womanhood / millitant feminism victory" etc was also exactly it. and the fact that you must spend a full day looking for edibles to find enough edibles to get you through a day. and everything else.
18:52 assbot Logged on 18-09-2015 17:00:03; BingoBoingo: <ascii_field> usg has a very effective program for soaking them up << I'm pretty sure the push to get people into grad school rather than employment 2007-2011 was exactly this
18:52 mircea_popescu meanwhile in reality, poverty is poverty. the us is very poor, and so everything directed at keeping people from being useful "works". of course it does.
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18:52 mircea_popescu BECAUSE YOURE FUCKING POOR OVER THERE.
18:53 BingoBoingo Of course. The mansions asciilifeform describes driving by are made of plastic and toothpicks
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18:55 BingoBoingo In other news http://thevalleyreport.com/2015/09/05/overweight-man-mistaken-for-woman-ticketed-for-exposing-breasts-at-beach/
18:55 assbot Overweight man, mistaken for woman, ticketed for exposing breasts at beach | The Valley Report ... ( http://bit.ly/1iooxfx )
18:55 BingoBoingo Puritans
18:57 punkman http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-09-2015#1278653 << well since this ended up in pete's blog... obviously you can make a formal http spec and parser. mongrel had a spiffy one. but then inside we have html, xml, jpegs, mp4s. who's gonna do langsec on libstagefright? on gnupg?
18:57 assbot Logged on 18-09-2015 17:13:51; punkman: so what is the formal language when I grab random bytes off someone's HTTP?
18:58 mircea_popescu jpeg is actually specifiable. that it hasn't been...
18:59 punkman in soundbites http://langsec.org/occupy/
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18:59 assbot Occupy Babel! ... ( http://bit.ly/1NIIyuu )
19:00 punkman https://github.com/mongrel2/mongrel2/blob/master/src/http11/http11_parser.rl << mongrel's http parser in Ragel
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19:01 assbot mongrel2/http11_parser.rl at master · mongrel2/mongrel2 · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1NIIFX2 )
19:04 mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-09-2015#1278658 << and why would they be. the correct thing for a research paper to end in is "more research needed" not "forget about this, it's solved."
19:04 assbot Logged on 18-09-2015 17:16:42; ascii_field: no one who actually ~solves~ problems at the eliminate-a-whole-field level is remotely welcome.
19:05 mircea_popescu and re the "heckler's idea of conspiracy" : it is not the proposition that the usg consists of some evil overlord petting a cat buried under concrete somewhere while tons of mindless drones to the biddings without complaint. nor is the proposition that a secret conclave of shaved heads secretly meet at my pillar every 5th wednesday.
19:06 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16500 @ 0.00076927 = 12.693 BTC [+] {3}
19:06 mircea_popescu the proposition is that the usg exists as a system of stupid people, dedicated to the supporting of stupidity and the containing of the threat (to them) presented by intelligence.
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19:07 mircea_popescu the proposition that they would be more than willing to blow up the world before they'd take their naturally inferior place in the hierarchy of the world is not so far off.
19:07 mircea_popescu the proposition that for intelligent people to work for this shambling mess is deeply unethical is perhaps the most important thing in all ethics since kant.
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19:07 mircea_popescu do not work for a stupid man, nor for a man that works for the ultimate benefit of stupid people. this is the whole of the law.
19:09 mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-09-2015#1278666 << this is the true problem. and ultimately the reason urbit was nonsense (iirc alf actually even said this at some point, on his blog).
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19:09 assbot Logged on 18-09-2015 17:18:00; ascii_field: but there is no such thing, in our universe, as a 'functional' cpu.
19:09 mircea_popescu the immutability thing can more or less be lied about, because if i have 32gb ram and you need 512 bytes for all you know you're on an "endless" ram machine.
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19:11 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26800 @ 0.00076768 = 20.5738 BTC [-]
19:12 mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-09-2015#1278679 << no, he has a point, if he wants to find work he benefits from having... how the fuck did that go
19:12 assbot Logged on 18-09-2015 17:31:54; ascii_field: the only thing the offerings of usg ~provably~ are able to do is to lighten your wallet.
19:13 mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-09-2015#1277920
19:13 assbot Logged on 17-09-2015 18:36:25; ben_vulpes: from the lulzmine: "Do specialized systems include enhanced security measures consistent with risk analysis?"
19:14 mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-09-2015#1278682 << there is a difference between "not interested", like say someone who wants to play the flute, and simply doesn't care about the stuff you discuss ; and "know better", as in, people who ARE very much interested in the KIND of thing you discuss, who have evaluated it and come to the conclusion it's a big fat 0. those are not "not interested". they were interested.
19:14 assbot Logged on 18-09-2015 17:32:59; mats: maybe this is just not the place for me to bring up such discussions, when folks clearly are not interested in this kind of research
19:16 btcdrak *sigh* https://forum.bitcoin.com/
19:16 mircea_popescu remarkably enough i can't readily figure out a topic b-a would be strictly not interested in. we've discussed art philosophy and history, and matters of identity and forgery, and child rearing and car design and gender identity and indian mysticism and scholarship thereof and of course geopolitics and finance and often enough plumbing and pest control.
19:16 mircea_popescu all this within the past... month ?
19:17 mircea_popescu i doubt there is anything that is actually beyond our interests' reach.
19:18 mircea_popescu lol rogerver and bitcoinceo ?
19:18 mircea_popescu must suck.
19:19 cazalla btcdrak, what is so sigh?
19:20 cazalla if i were ver, i'd redirect the site to whatever the 2015 equiv of goatse is and tell all the redditors with ideas of how bitcoin.com should actually be used to go fuck themselves
19:20 btcdrak as if ver's shitty use of bitcoin.com wasnt enough, now they create an XT circlejerk forum to mislead even more people.
19:21 mircea_popescu btcdrak he got "assets" suich as a worthless domain name and gotta make rent
19:21 mircea_popescu you're thinking of exactly the opposite situation.
19:21 mircea_popescu uh i mean cazalla
19:21 mircea_popescu anyway, there's nothing wrong with xt scamcoin folk having as many forums as they can stand.
19:22 btcdrak ver is sitting on enough bitcoins to make mtgox customers whole... which he should do given his video supporting them in summer of 2014...
19:22 mircea_popescu dogecoin-esque "PR" of the ilk of "hey, our forum is better than your forum because domain name" serve them well.
19:22 mircea_popescu btcdrak what makes you think that ?
19:24 mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-09-2015#1278693 << which is why he wasn;t asking you, i bet :D
19:24 assbot Logged on 18-09-2015 17:44:13; ascii_field: to my shame, ~i~ habitually read these.
19:25 cazalla a lot of people seem to think the domain name is actually a community asset
19:26 mircea_popescu those people are idiots.
19:26 mircea_popescu it's no more a "community asset" than a bitcoin balance. it has a specified owner.
19:26 mircea_popescu there is obviously the ever present cattle tendency to centralize. but that is NOT a good reason to centralize.
19:26 asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-09-2015#1278860 << took maybe 5 seconds of looking at it, for me
19:26 assbot Logged on 18-09-2015 21:31:10; cazalla: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-09-2015#1277187 <<< a winner is you! looks like ahmed was actually trying to win the nigga lotto https://archive.is/O3lZc
19:26 mircea_popescu it doesn't need a centralized name more than it needs a centralized ledger.
19:27 cazalla asciilifeform, i just thought it interesting that the guy found the specific clock on ebay
19:27 asciilifeform cazalla: i sorta assumed it was his folks'
19:28 mircea_popescu (THAT is the true altcoin killer. people proceed lazily to imagine that hey, just as money is called euro in eu and dollars in the us, there may be a future with bitcoin and litecoin etc. no, no it may not. money is money, and yes you can call it x in x and y in y, but they are ON THE SAME BLOCKCAIN. euro and dollar settle in the same place.)
19:29 asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-09-2015#1278893 << usg actually ~respecting~ the renouncements, bought at whatever price, is a joke
19:29 assbot Logged on 18-09-2015 21:56:31; mircea_popescu: check it out ascii_field, you just lost 5 bitcoins.
19:29 asciilifeform why would it?
19:29 asciilifeform which is why http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=31-08-2014#817452
19:29 assbot Logged on 31-08-2014 18:41:22; asciilifeform: 'escape' means there's a missile battery (or, at the threadbare minimum, 24/7 death squad) standing between usg and you.
19:29 mircea_popescu aha.
19:30 mircea_popescu i always thought the jews staying behind were incomprehensible.
19:30 mircea_popescu i still think they were stupid. but i am starting to ~understand~.
19:30 asciilifeform usa is not guarded berlin-style, it is guarded butugychag-style - 'the food is inside this wall. the bears, outside.'
19:30 mircea_popescu so ?
19:30 asciilifeform i can get on a motherfucking plane tonight if i wanted to. but i don't want to.
19:30 mircea_popescu since when did "human life" become your highest value ?
19:30 mircea_popescu aha.
19:30 asciilifeform it doesn't.
19:31 asciilifeform 'food' shorthand for 'things lacking which might as well eat the bullet now vs later'
19:31 asciilifeform [insert old thread here to save time]
19:31 mircea_popescu always take the later.
19:31 mircea_popescu that's how you end up with a son. ask cazalla .
19:32 asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-09-2015#1278899 << if the aggregate still flexes, it too will tangle! supposing that it is long enough.
19:32 assbot Logged on 18-09-2015 22:01:22; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-09-2015#1278566 << it is solved to my satisfaction. if there are two cables involved, the non-tangly approach is to switch overhand once, underhand once, and repeat in this exact pattern. most people always do overhand (or underhand) and so they obtain max tangle. some more intelligent (or just mentally disorganised people) do randomly alternating u/o, which res
19:32 mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-09-2015#1278709 << that's ok, when it goes below indiancandy i'll say something.
19:32 assbot Logged on 18-09-2015 17:53:15; mats: i figured i'd spare log readers from my blathering. and pete_dushenski's background chirping.
19:33 cazalla mircea_popescu, could've been a daughter if God really wanted to punish me
19:33 asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-09-2015#1278910 << there is a good chunk that can be thrown out (things not implemented in classical gpg) but after this you still have a steaming pile of shit.
19:33 assbot Logged on 18-09-2015 22:15:20; punkman: mats: punkman: if it was not clear, i am handrolling the pgp packet parser in python (watta mouthful). and not having a good time of it. << I think you might have to come up << you should probably throw out a bunch of idiocies contained in the canonical rfc
19:34 asciilifeform the more i work with this thing, the less i like it.
19:34 punkman all roads lead to rewriting gpg
19:34 asciilifeform and the fewer bits i see as salvageable.
19:34 asciilifeform punkman: not merely rewriting.
19:34 asciilifeform reinventing.
19:34 punkman yeah that
19:34 asciilifeform as in 'v' re: versionatronics.
19:35 Naphex https://xotika.tv/#/channel17/RoyalTiffany 2 girls 1 channel :)
19:35 assbot XOtika.TV: Bitcoin adult live streaming community. ... ( http://bit.ly/1V1dSZG )
19:40 mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-09-2015#1278715 firstly, and most importantly, http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=04-08-2015#1223732 and secondly, most interesting dialogue, not here but in both the livresque as well as actual history of the world, was between two people.
19:40 assbot Logged on 18-09-2015 17:53:49; mats: 10/10 times it is just alf and i.
19:40 assbot Logged on 04-08-2015 04:04:02; mircea_popescu: incidentally, it's quite obvious that the b-a conversations consist of both spoken and silent dialogue
19:40 asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-09-2015#1278958 << bestest ever summary.
19:40 assbot Logged on 18-09-2015 23:06:24; mircea_popescu: the proposition is that the usg exists as a system of stupid people, dedicated to the supporting of stupidity and the containing of the threat (to them) presented by intelligence.
19:40 asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-09-2015#1278962 << linked in the thread, even
19:40 assbot Logged on 18-09-2015 23:09:29; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-09-2015#1278666 << this is the true problem. and ultimately the reason urbit was nonsense (iirc alf actually even said this at some point, on his blog).
19:40 mircea_popescu yeah got to it eventuyaly.
19:41 asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-09-2015#1278960 << the answer, if there is one, is some practical means of saying no that doesn't reduce to 'eat bullet' or 'eat tree bark'
19:41 assbot Logged on 18-09-2015 23:07:31; mircea_popescu: the proposition that for intelligent people to work for this shambling mess is deeply unethical is perhaps the most important thing in all ethics since kant.
19:42 mircea_popescu no.
19:42 mircea_popescu that is pointedly no sort of solution
19:42 asciilifeform i didn't say there ~was~ answer...
19:42 mircea_popescu once that is on the table the problem moves from being ethical to being technical.
19:43 mircea_popescu ethics is specifically the system of inquiry specializing in questions which end up with bullet or treebark.
19:43 asciilifeform think of the analogy to vegetarianism in re: their pursuit of synthetic meat.
19:43 mircea_popescu hm ?
19:44 asciilifeform at least some vegetarians appear to take an interest in 'cell culture meat' as a way of giving the yet-unpersuaded a softer nut to crack on the path to conversion
19:44 mircea_popescu but i eat meat specifically because it is a murdered animal.
19:44 asciilifeform not partaking in this particular variety of crackpottery, i cannot comment further, but it is logical from their pov
19:45 mircea_popescu i'd eat vegetarian, really, if i could hunt it anywhere.
19:45 asciilifeform l0l
19:45 mircea_popescu here's to hoping they move to africa and live in a commune.
19:45 * asciilifeform in basic agreement with the housecat formula, 'if it eats only plant matter, it ~is~ food'
19:46 asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-09-2015#1278964 << the way it works, is, approximately, every data structure is treated as something quite like a blockchain.
19:46 assbot Logged on 18-09-2015 23:09:54; mircea_popescu: the immutability thing can more or less be lied about, because if i have 32gb ram and you need 512 bytes for all you know you're on an "endless" ram machine.
19:46 asciilifeform this gets heavy, quickly.
19:46 mircea_popescu it does, but still, is a tiny niche.
19:55 asciilifeform my other objection is that the ~implementation~ usually ends up being ludicrously complex and not-at-all fitsinheady
19:55 asciilifeform for instance, i've been surveying implementations of standard ml
19:56 asciilifeform the champ in re: fitsinhead appears to be, mega-unsurprisingly,
19:56 asciilifeform moscow ml.
19:56 BingoBoingo http://www.jameslafond.com/article.php?id=2950
19:56 assbot JL: The Mighty Duck ... ( http://bit.ly/1V1fMcU )
19:57 mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-09-2015#1278740 <<< AHAHAHA EXAM TAKERS!!! o lordy.
19:57 assbot Logged on 18-09-2015 19:02:42; kakobrekla: >When I last bought a VW (2008) I was concerned due to a clunking noise after first starting it up and driving a few miles; I called the VW service dept and they explained that there was a compressor which captured exhaust fumes and released them at a lower rate for the first few miles of each journey -- to help them meet EPA emissions standards.
19:57 mircea_popescu think of the poor engineers who had to design and put this thing in.
19:57 asciilifeform (what's moscow ml? this - http://www.itu.dk/~sestoft/mosml.html )
19:57 assbot Moscow ML Home Page ... ( http://bit.ly/1V1fS49 )
19:57 mircea_popescu this is how you ruin industry.
19:58 mircea_popescu by forcing smart people to do stupid things.
19:58 mircea_popescu their balance is very fragile. most of their life is spent trying to distinguish stupid anyway.
19:58 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: like a chinese class where just one kid is expelled for cheating, the interesting story is the ~unwritten~ one concerning why him and not the other 99 flimflammers
19:58 mircea_popescu once you rape that tiny pore, they're useless.
19:59 mircea_popescu see alf, gauss and newton didn't have to deal with THIS particular problem.
19:59 asciilifeform know what else they didn't have to deal with ?
19:59 mircea_popescu yet the same libertard fucktards, or at least the five step removed early ideologists/jesuses of the movement,
19:59 BingoBoingo Well the engineering trade off of putting a turbo charger in a vehicle is you can increase the fuel economy or power, but the NOx emmisions must increase too
19:59 mircea_popescu deeply understood the problems catholic church posed to science via galilo and bruno.
19:59 mircea_popescu just... somehow it's been lost.
20:00 mircea_popescu asciilifeform what ?
20:00 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: somebody, it appears, stayed awake in freshman physics, and understood that if you revv up the supercharger quickly enough, gas cannot escape at the rate it is generated
20:00 asciilifeform and you get a kind of temporary storage tank
20:00 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: i was gonna say 'doing retarded things to stay in food and roof' but then remembered newton's mint
20:01 mircea_popescu iirc he enjoyed that
20:01 mircea_popescu (it was intended as a sinecure - he chose to make it a job.)
20:01 asciilifeform then my original stands.
20:01 BingoBoingo asciilifeform: Turbocharger is the one that uses exhaust gasses to provide compression. Supercharger is different, uses engine belt to provide compression. Huge performance difference when it comes to the first couple miles of driving.
20:01 mircea_popescu well, in the case of the ones you heard of, anyway,
20:01 asciilifeform they didn't have to do bizarre circus acrobatics to stay fed.
20:01 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20000 @ 0.00076768 = 15.3536 BTC [-]
20:01 mircea_popescu newton's aunt, einstein'swife and mozart's sister were not as fortunate
20:02 asciilifeform mozart's sister, iirc, was a very passable player but never composed.
20:03 mircea_popescu and shakespeare's mom.
20:04 * asciilifeform is one of those weirdos who skates precisely on the bleeding red edge that separates being able to do your thing, in the above sense, from not.
20:04 asciilifeform could end up on the other side of it any minute, any day, just like that.
20:04 mircea_popescu for all you know you wander back and forth daily.
20:05 * mircea_popescu usually does.
20:05 asciilifeform weekly.
20:05 shinohai https://bitcoinxt.software/onboard.html
20:05 assbot Who's Onboard - Bitcoin XT ... ( http://bit.ly/1KrxtqJ )
20:05 asciilifeform pet appears.
20:05 * asciilifeform bbl
20:05 mircea_popescu in other news, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vE9jcDwY-MM
20:05 assbot Garbage - Garbage (1995) - Full Album - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1Krxuv3 )
20:05 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21200 @ 0.00076936 = 16.3104 BTC [+]
20:08 mircea_popescu http://openwall.com/lists/oss-security/2015/09/17/5 << now do it with nano.
20:08 assbot oss-security - s/party/hack like it's 1999 ... ( http://bit.ly/1KlopH0 )
20:08 * mircea_popescu has never used cat.
20:10 mircea_popescu and his less is unaliased also. fancy that.
20:11 mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-09-2015#1278749 << the former's prolly right but i still don't see how the latter flows from it. except for some people, i guess.
20:11 assbot Logged on 18-09-2015 19:14:43; kakobrekla: if the bar is so low that most existing and running code contains scamcode, no wonder why noone asks for an honest computer
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20:45 BingoBoingo I've stopped trying to make any sense of fucking silver prices
20:49 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3250 @ 0.0007533 = 2.4482 BTC [+]
20:52 kakobrekla how the latter flows from it < dishonest software does not require honest hardware the way i see it
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21:34 phf asciilifeform: yes, i did some ml a while ago. i used sml/nj as a default compiler, afair it had full language coverage and nice emacs support, i would then port code to mlton or mlkit. mlton has a particularly nice feature set, small binaries, everything's unboxed, gc can be tuned, but it's full program optimizer, so at the time i didn't have the patience to use it as my primary compiler.
21:37 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33250 @ 0.0007533 = 25.0472 BTC [+]
21:38 phf (i was driving between places in turkey, so no internet access)
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21:42 BingoBoingo ^ trinque
21:43 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 78763 @ 0.00074798 = 58.9131 BTC [-] {3}
21:48 cazalla i read something before how trump was all mafia'd up back in his new york days and fucked over lots of people, nfi to veracity
21:48 trinque heh
21:49 phf asciilifeform: actually i think the main difference is that sml/nj has a repl and better debug messages. i think these days the two are pretty much on par. shows how much i remember, last time i touched either it was on ibook g3 linuxppc
21:51 trinque BingoBoingo: oh btw "regulatory butt thunder" had me in stitches
21:51 trinque ah that was hdbuck
21:51 trinque in either case, epic lolz
21:55 BingoBoingo trinque: It was hdbuck indeed. He came up with the Thunder and I added the Butt, with his approval of course
21:56 trinque see, I knew there was a BingoBoingo hand involved in that title
21:56 BingoBoingo Note to potential Qntra submitters: If you want to submit a story you think is interesting, but don't think you know how to amp it up... the editors can help with that
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22:06 BingoBoingo http://www.sportsonearth.com/article/150293976/nick-diaz-suspension-marijuana-ufc-nac-wada
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22:10 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19100 @ 0.0007533 = 14.388 BTC [+]
22:16 asciilifeform phf: they all have fuckin' ~huge~ binaries so far as i'm concerned
22:16 asciilifeform phf: if you compile standalone that is
22:17 asciilifeform (vs bytecode)
22:18 mircea_popescu <kakobrekla> how the latter flows from it < dishonest software does not require honest hardware the way i see it << more or less unrelated. dishonest accountand doesn't require dishonest FED nor vice-versa
22:19 asciilifeform l0l
22:20 asciilifeform 'Foreign financial institutions require ex-US individuals to show them a CLN (or provide a "reasonable explanation" of why they do not have one) to comply with the exchange of information provisions of the Foreign Account Tax Compliance Act (FATCA) and the various intergovernmental agreements the US has signed with foreign jurisdictions.' << ahahahahaha l0l!! pay $3k to get the privilege of using this other set of usg banks in
22:20 asciilifeform stead of the usual set of usg banks.
22:20 asciilifeform what a deal.
22:20 cazalla mmm smell of burning mesquite.. gunna have to watch for black people jumping my back fence trying to steal muh chicken wings
22:20 BingoBoingo lol
22:21 mircea_popescu asciilifeform get a different citizenship, deny you ever had us citizenship, let them prove otherwise.
22:22 cazalla 5 years for cannabis, but i wonder if silva would've got less for his escapades if he didn't run off
22:22 asciilifeform iirc usg helpfully gives'em lists.
22:22 asciilifeform of its serfs
22:22 mircea_popescu lits of what.
22:22 mircea_popescu containing what, social security ids ?
22:22 asciilifeform 'mr x is our serf, do business with him like-so or we steal anything you put in usa'
22:22 mircea_popescu "mr x".
22:23 asciilifeform fuck if i know of what. fingerprints, perhaps, or stool samples, or what.
22:23 mircea_popescu i haven't heard of a fingerprints-bank as of yet.
22:24 mircea_popescu also the only cln seems to mean to me is a credit linked note.
22:24 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: this was a piece linked from qntra, regarding american 'certificate of loss of nationality'
22:24 asciilifeform i.e. emancipation papers
22:24 mircea_popescu (which is a monstruous sort of bond/cfd)
22:24 mircea_popescu a a
22:25 BingoBoingo <cazalla> 5 years for cannabis, but i wonder if silva would've got less for his escapades if he didn't run off << He passed two of the three tests
22:25 cazalla BingoBoingo, not really up to date on it all, last i heard he just ran away instead of taking the test
22:26 BingoBoingo cazalla: No, this was fight day, pissed in three different cups
22:27 cazalla a-ok, don't really follow it much these days but i see rousey is headlining the ufc down under in november
22:27 BingoBoingo Ah
22:29 BingoBoingo Just another day in the ghetto https://archive.is/W3PJg
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22:39 asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-09-2015#1278922 << woah. harsh.
22:39 assbot Logged on 18-09-2015 22:30:57; deedbot-: [Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski » Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski] The goldfish telling the great white shark what life’s like in the ocean, and other logical fallacies. - http://www.contravex.com/2015/09/18/the-goldfish-telling-the-great-white-shark-what-lifes-like-in-the-ocean-and-other-logical-fallacies/
22:42 asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-09-2015#1278941 << this is the EXACT same basic thing as debeaking (ask a poultry farmer)
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22:42 assbot Logged on 18-09-2015 22:52:25; mircea_popescu: meanwhile in reality, poverty is poverty. the us is very poor, and so everything directed at keeping people from being useful "works". of course it does.
22:43 asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-09-2015#1278943 << when i say mansions, i speak of actual mansions. we have'em here on the east coast.
22:43 assbot Logged on 18-09-2015 22:53:43; BingoBoingo: Of course. The mansions asciilifeform describes driving by are made of plastic and toothpicks
22:44 BingoBoingo By the highway?
22:44 asciilifeform i am specifically ~not~ speaking of cardboard boxes with aluminum planks.
22:44 asciilifeform not by the highway.
22:44 asciilifeform by the narrow street that one would never see but for the gps machine.
22:44 BingoBoingo ah, then why are you driving by them? Do they have carp to steal?
22:44 asciilifeform see above.
22:45 asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-09-2015#1278950 << notbad.jpg
22:45 assbot Logged on 18-09-2015 22:59:56; punkman: in soundbites http://langsec.org/occupy/
22:46 asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-09-2015#1278952 << is this meant as some kind of improvement on good ol' yacc ?
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22:46 assbot Logged on 18-09-2015 23:00:59; punkman: https://github.com/mongrel2/mongrel2/blob/master/src/http11/http11_parser.rl << mongrel's http parser in Ragel
22:46 asciilifeform because i don't see the improvement.
22:46 asciilifeform elephantine piece of shit.
22:46 asciilifeform one, and the other.
22:46 asciilifeform and the horse it rode in on (c)
22:48 trinque can confirm that there's plenty of old money on the east coast
22:48 trinque though hell, don't they have the good sense to evacuate by now?
22:49 asciilifeform evacuate where?
22:49 asciilifeform to where ?
22:49 asciilifeform and, more importantly, why ?
22:49 asciilifeform ~they~ are not the ones being dekulakized.
22:51 trinque yeah I suppose not
22:52 mircea_popescu pff.
22:53 asciilifeform i can already see mircea_popescu telling me, that these ain't mansions unless the stones are at least 1001 years old and were put on with druid blood
22:53 mircea_popescu i don't recall the revolutionary term of art, but nevertheless, ideas formed on the basis of stuff glimpsed through the gps machine are not reliable.
22:54 mircea_popescu you famously also thought random rotinculo/mortidifame journos are the wealthy elite.
22:54 asciilifeform eh that's where i see anybody who doesn't commute to an office as elite
22:54 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 42050 @ 0.00076032 = 31.9715 BTC [+] {4}
22:55 mircea_popescu the fundamental problem with formalism is that it doesn't practically yield anything past bad "art".
22:55 asciilifeform let's have the earlier bit though - what is a mansion really ?
22:55 asciilifeform i say, a rich fella's house, built to european standards
22:56 mircea_popescu i dunno dude. it does not seem to me possible to even have a mansion in the land of "we rent - unfurnished!" and "building code" etc.
22:56 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: sure it is. it is called 'grandfathered in'
22:56 mircea_popescu if it were possible to have one i'd consider getting one.
22:56 asciilifeform i.e. exempt from all reg
22:56 asciilifeform -- never for rent, to anyone, and never subject to inspections, etc
22:56 mircea_popescu this thing only works in the mind of soon-to-be-smoke jews.
22:56 mircea_popescu whereby you can somehow magically be a thing of the past only.
22:56 asciilifeform what's a jew but solid smoke
22:56 asciilifeform i'll be the first to admit.
22:57 BingoBoingo http://www.ozarksfirst.com/news/morning-news/what-is-going-on-inside-pensmore-castle << Mansion or not?
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22:57 asciilifeform hell, i expect proper honest gasenwagen to make a comeback.
22:57 asciilifeform some 'past only' l0l.
22:57 mircea_popescu i meant more like "this no longer happens but it continues to happen for me only". it's nonsense.
22:58 trinque BingoBoingo: I was going to say, one measure might be whether the cops are going to need something more than a boot to enter
22:58 mircea_popescu seems the basic definition of mansion includes "off limits to police"
22:58 asciilifeform if this, then they certainly qualify in practice !
22:59 mircea_popescu anmd you knoiw this how ?
22:59 trinque also, "can house all the help" which of course implies on-site help
22:59 mircea_popescu also gps ?
23:00 * asciilifeform never lived in a mansion, but has lived in streets where the police show up every day, and ones where didn't see a single one in a decade of staring out window
23:00 asciilifeform this, i suppose, counts for nothing, because 'view from gps'.
23:00 asciilifeform whatever.
23:01 mircea_popescu so you lived in teh mansion ?
23:01 asciilifeform whereas to me, 'corzine is not getting anally dilated in prison' =~= 'there are mansions, and they are off limits to police'
23:02 mircea_popescu nobody's getting "anally dilated" in prison dude. wake up and smell the coffee, erections are rare.
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23:02 mircea_popescu who the fuck do you think actually wants to fuck you.
23:02 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: i lived in suburbia. which is pointedly not the same thing, the mechanism whereby the police are kept distant is entirely different (obedience)
23:02 mircea_popescu so then if you yourself don't accept the thing you propose as proof, as proof, what do you want from me!
23:02 asciilifeform sorta more like the warm zone at auschwitz
23:02 mircea_popescu what whatever ? no whatever, tu quoque.
23:02 asciilifeform nah, the ~real~ mansions are where corzines, SES plum book, etc. live.
23:03 mircea_popescu or so you posit. because "x gotta exist, and y is the more likely to succeed".
23:03 asciilifeform the $maxint folks who never see the inside of a courtroom except as plaintiffs
23:03 mircea_popescu the breaking news being that no, x doesn't exist. all soviets live like animals.
23:03 mircea_popescu that's the fucking point of soviet life.
23:03 asciilifeform i saw 'guccifer''s photos of aria rockefeller's house.
23:03 asciilifeform what was soviet about it?
23:03 mircea_popescu and this is what i meant earlier re "revolutionary term of art". there's this notion that members of the proletariat fight each other over imaginary class distinctions instead of uniting.
23:03 asciilifeform and bush's, too
23:04 mircea_popescu same idea here. you think X has it ? no usian has it.
23:04 mircea_popescu obama's life is shit, in kenyan terms.
23:04 mircea_popescu fucking us president, still lives worse than his grandfather,
23:04 asciilifeform for my education, demonstrate how bush doesn't 'have it'
23:04 asciilifeform and what 'it' is
23:04 mircea_popescu you get to say what "it" is.
23:04 mircea_popescu and you keep not wanting to.
23:05 asciilifeform but my 'it' doesn't work. because it is the answer of the shipwrecked sailor re: what is best in life - 'food! water!'
23:05 mircea_popescu i guess.
23:05 asciilifeform pig: 'as much slop as will ever fit in me!'
23:06 asciilifeform see the old mircea_popescu article re: teenagers and sex
23:06 asciilifeform the only solid hypothesis i can make re: bush et al is that they know what 'it' is, having scratched all other conceivable itches.
23:07 mircea_popescu let's start with a simple thing. if x owns a mansion, and x owns a wife, and x beats the shit out of his wife and throws her into the street naked to henceforth fend for herself,
23:07 trinque asciilifeform: I think Bushes and everyone like them are entirely trapped
23:07 mircea_popescu there is at no point any fucking question of a) being required to take her back in or b) being required to give up the mansion.
23:07 mircea_popescu this, imo, is sufficient definition.
23:07 trinque how many decisions do they make on their own per day? what's the ratio?
23:07 mircea_popescu and also ends the question of "mansion in the us".
23:07 * asciilifeform finally grasps what mircea_popescu was getting at.
23:08 mircea_popescu yes, they can have hovels of all sizes.
23:08 asciilifeform this is true, no one in usa is ghaddafi.
23:08 asciilifeform it doesn't work.
23:08 asciilifeform any more than on the moon.
23:08 mircea_popescu that a 1789 nigger may be allowed to build himself a log cabin the size of the washington momunent
23:08 mircea_popescu doth not make the exceptionally large log cabin a "town house".
23:08 mircea_popescu first off, because there's no town.
23:09 mircea_popescu even if the house itself may be the size of a contemporary town.
23:09 asciilifeform aaand because it isn't a house if there is shitting on the floor happening.
23:09 asciilifeform yes.
23:09 mircea_popescu so there you go.
23:09 mircea_popescu but this is me, and i don't live there.
23:09 mircea_popescu meanwhile, tons of mansions throughout the world. from romania to sudan and from albania to pakistan.
23:10 mircea_popescu many of them smaller than whatever you currently occupy.
23:10 mircea_popescu and noisier. and whatever-er.
23:11 asciilifeform this is really more a mansion in one's mind.
23:11 asciilifeform bush would not gain it by moving to pakistan.
23:11 mircea_popescu yeah, the jews resisting the flames through culture all went to the castle in the mind.
23:11 mircea_popescu good for 'em.
23:11 mircea_popescu and of fucking course bush would not gain it, whatever the fuck he does.
23:11 mircea_popescu part of parcel of why actual people do not wish to live in the land of the dumb.
23:13 trinque I met people in TX that were a meatwot node away from the Bush family. They're *not* free people.
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23:13 asciilifeform trinque: in what sense not ?
23:13 mircea_popescu trinque the day the retired head of the spyhouse is excruciated in public over ANY THING you know the place's dead.
23:13 mircea_popescu why the fuck did they not do that to hoover, if they were that brave ?
23:13 asciilifeform why did beria's bullet have to wait for a dead stalin ?
23:14 * mircea_popescu is kinda curious to see how that'd have went. three different presidents wanted to sack the schmuck but gave up because "political cost too great". ie, mansion.
23:14 mircea_popescu asciilifeform because soviets lived like animals.
23:14 mircea_popescu no mansions.
23:14 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: now this, yes
23:14 mircea_popescu same thing, just, too close to notice.
23:15 mircea_popescu and for that matter notice that stalin also didn't move against beria
23:15 mircea_popescu not that he didn't want to. but, old men are cowardly, regardless of what they were in their youth.
23:15 trinque asciilifeform: in the sense that they live lives of the strictest obedience both to some unspoken social idea of being politically "presentable" and literally to everyone involved in elevating them to what they are
23:15 asciilifeform incidentally, usg imploded libya by vaguely promising 'mansions' - 'your crown-owned official mercedes will become yours! as will your crown-issued chicks!' etc
23:15 mircea_popescu which is why old men make good senators and horrible dictators.
23:16 mircea_popescu asciilifeform it worked, too. the us managed to get yet another ally for isis, at the cost of destructuring its mideastern holds.
23:16 mircea_popescu they lost the saudis the day gadaffi fell.
23:16 asciilifeform trinque: it melts my brain that someone with actual hold of, say, $100M u.s., wouldn't just pack off to timisoara or buenos aires
23:16 trinque asciilifeform: that just isn't done
23:17 mircea_popescu now the russians have the pincer on and there's exactly nothing the us can do to rebalance.
23:17 asciilifeform fuck 'presentable'.
23:17 mircea_popescu asciilifeform the problem is their ideas of self worth are not accepted either place.
23:17 mircea_popescu they have exactly your problem, "do not wish to compete with younger men"
23:17 asciilifeform who needs 'idea of self worth' when you have $maxint.
23:17 mircea_popescu all their meatwot is not there.
23:17 mircea_popescu hahaha.
23:17 mircea_popescu mmmkay.
23:17 asciilifeform i only need it to eat.
23:17 asciilifeform the meatwot.
23:18 mircea_popescu didn't you just say you don't like yest ?
23:18 asciilifeform plugged into the mains, so to speak.
23:18 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8726 @ 0.00074797 = 6.5268 BTC [-]
23:18 asciilifeform but some folks have reactor!
23:18 mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=16-09-2015#1276886
23:18 assbot Logged on 16-09-2015 20:49:44; ascii_field: i can afford plane ticket.
23:18 asciilifeform why ~they~ don't run off, is beyond me.
23:18 asciilifeform aha. ticket.
23:18 mircea_popescu yaya, why OTHERS don't do shit is beyond you.
23:18 asciilifeform but not food, rent for rest of life!
23:18 asciilifeform elementary.
23:18 mircea_popescu lol
23:18 mircea_popescu eh getouttahere.
23:20 * mircea_popescu finds this somewhat puzzling, he has no problem competing with other men of any age. had no problem at 16 sitting 50yos on their ass, has no problem at 36 sitting 16 26 or w/e idem. i've yet to hear this magical "i'd rather go with him, he's younger" thing even.
23:20 mircea_popescu consequently, /me suspects that this is more an artefact of incompetence and fear than actual nature.
23:20 asciilifeform very easy when you aren't walking the line of starvation.
23:20 mircea_popescu what THE FUCK is younger man gonna do, blow in it ?
23:20 asciilifeform and yes, incompetence. i do not have the competences of mircea_popescu, this is not a seekrit.
23:21 mircea_popescu asciilifeform what starvation. are you proposing i'm BUYING my shit ?
23:21 mircea_popescu how the fuck would that go.
23:21 asciilifeform iirc mircea_popescu operates profitable businesses, etc.
23:21 asciilifeform reactor.
23:21 mircea_popescu ya sure. and if i were fucking starving, what exacty difference;d it make to you ?
23:22 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: perhaps unrelated (but possibly not), near the minez where i toil there has always been beggars. as in, 24/7, the buggers beg in shifts. for a month or so there was a cosmic anomaly: a passably young gurl. and today she was dragged away screaming by two bicycle cops.
23:22 mircea_popescu lmao the bicycle cops.
23:22 asciilifeform aha, never saw those before in any sort of numbers outside university campus
23:22 mircea_popescu didja offer her a cup of coffee ?
23:22 asciilifeform somehow they are a thing now.
23:22 mircea_popescu "somehow". shortages is the somehow.
23:22 asciilifeform gotta be.
23:23 asciilifeform either undersupply of squad cars or - as i assumed - oversupply of policemen
23:23 mircea_popescu why did you not talk up the cosmic anomaly, aflie!
23:23 asciilifeform from what, car ? l0l
23:23 mircea_popescu yes.
23:23 mircea_popescu they stop, don't they ?
23:23 cazalla friend and foe http://i.imgur.com/JpHE9hx.jpg http://i.imgur.com/j2RUdEI.jpg
23:23 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1FTbnwn )
23:23 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1FTbkRj )
23:23 trinque cazalla: cool shots
23:24 asciilifeform cazalla: very spiffy. yours ?
23:24 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22193 @ 0.00074797 = 16.5997 BTC [-]
23:24 mircea_popescu cazalla "fluturele alb al verzei". cabbage white buttefly.
23:24 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: what am i to do with the wild animal, l0l.
23:24 cazalla yes, broad beans as previously mentioned, lots of bees and insects about with the warmer spring weather
23:24 mircea_popescu whatcha call it ? (horrid pest, it is)
23:24 mircea_popescu asciilifeform TALK.
23:24 * asciilifeform doesn't zoophilia
23:24 mircea_popescu how the fuck do you know in advance omaigerd.
23:24 asciilifeform sometimes i do talk to bumz!
23:24 asciilifeform when on foot.
23:24 asciilifeform in a car it is a little awkward.
23:24 cazalla mircea_popescu, yeah white butterfly but broad beans are a good scam as the flowers trick them
23:24 mircea_popescu but missing out the cosmic anomaly ? it gotta be investigated.
23:25 mircea_popescu you're a scientist aren't you ?
23:25 trinque man I love talking with bums
23:25 trinque highly entertaining
23:25 asciilifeform trinque: i especially like 'math bums'
23:25 asciilifeform a species we have in some abundance here
23:25 mircea_popescu i certainly never miss the opportunity to inquire with young female beggars, because the thing puzzles me
23:25 asciilifeform aha, inevitably 'why???'
23:25 mircea_popescu o btw, feminazis chicks : how come you don't go begging more often bitchez ? you know, for equalitit.
23:26 mircea_popescu "oh, men dominate all professions. mostly, busking. but let's talk about vague shit instead like carly fiorina and how she ruined hp"
23:26 asciilifeform !s glass cellar
23:26 assbot 0 results for 'glass cellar' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=glass+cellar
23:26 asciilifeform hmm
23:26 asciilifeform ;;google glass cellar
23:26 gribble Urban Dictionary: glass cellar: <http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=glass+cellar>; Labor Day's Glass Cellars and Women's Wisdom - Dr. Warren Farrell: <http://warrenfarrell.com/labor-days-glass-cellars-and-womens-wisdom/>; Who cares if men are stuck in a glass cellar? (They can change the ...: <http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-2146979/Who-cares-men-stuck- (1 more message)
23:26 asciilifeform (americanism. refers to the effect in question.)
23:27 mircea_popescu Who cares if men are stuck in a glass cellar? (They can change the ... ) <<< i expect they expect "men" to "fix everything" because "theyt're good at that and shit" ?
23:27 mircea_popescu dumbasses srlsly.
23:27 mircea_popescu who the fuck let the 15yos out of their mother's basement.
23:37 * trinque departs to drink and be merry with the couple of highly respectable gentlemen (such as ben_vulpes) he had the honor to meet on his tour in Portland.
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