| 00:00 |
danielpbarron |
wow that thing went for 400 ?? that's probably what it cost to ship them |
| 00:01 |
danielpbarron |
oh only 100 units, that's hardly a pallet |
| 00:04 |
nubbins` |
nope |
| 00:05 |
nubbins` |
those were open-box too |
| 00:05 |
asciilifeform |
were. |
| 00:06 |
asciilifeform |
srsly this is a mighty long thread about a dead'n'gone item |
| 00:06 |
nubbins` |
:D |
| 00:06 |
nubbins` |
people are still talking about the ussr 8) |
| 00:07 |
asciilifeform |
that's different - lenin lives forever (TM) l0l |
| 00:07 |
nubbins` |
i just sent the liquidators a message, we'll see |
| 00:10 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9300 @ 0.00022568 = 2.0988 BTC [-] |
| 00:12 |
mircea_popescu |
asciilifeform its more about sorting out logistics imo |
| 00:12 |
asciilifeform |
aha then |
| 00:13 |
* |
asciilifeform still trying to build a kernel without wdt |
| 00:16 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24450 @ 0.00023592 = 5.7682 BTC [+] {2} |
| 00:16 |
asciilifeform |
(not as simple as merely disabling it in config, 'buildroot' is very particular re: how it reads layers of configs) |
| 00:16 |
asciilifeform |
done. |
| 00:16 |
asciilifeform |
now... |
| 00:17 |
mircea_popescu |
http://40.media.tumblr.com/fcfb1d8283bdbd71d50896fb45a81f9f/tumblr_ngnq0hPBx31qfz2j8o1_500.jpg |
| 00:17 |
assbot |
... ( http://bit.ly/1GpJ9wh ) |
| 00:17 |
asciilifeform |
.... |
| 00:17 |
asciilifeform |
ticktocktick... |
| 00:17 |
asciilifeform |
not dead yet.. |
| 00:18 |
mircea_popescu |
poor africa. |
| 00:18 |
asciilifeform |
methinks i nailed it. |
| 00:18 |
nubbins` |
woo! |
| 00:18 |
asciilifeform |
(see thread for wtf a watchdog timer is and how i knew to look for it) |
| 00:19 |
asciilifeform |
i do so wonder what kinda joker initialized it AND LEFT IT ON |
| 00:21 |
nubbins` |
who let the watchdog out ;/ |
| 00:21 |
asciilifeform |
6813dfeaa3b1412501acd64c06042cdf9854a44296b529a226c624455085943e1f0ab15580f764abede77b07a4fd162227fc7a9095d21673a078f11a000c0e7e turdel-with-rootfs.gz |
| 00:22 |
asciilifeform |
http://www.loper-os.org/pub/turdel-with-rootfs.gz |
| 00:22 |
asciilifeform |
^ this can be booted into for lulz |
| 00:22 |
asciilifeform |
root pw is '' |
| 00:22 |
asciilifeform |
no rootfs partition is needed as i crammed it in |
| 00:23 |
asciilifeform |
contains basic utils |
| 00:23 |
mircea_popescu |
lol |
| 00:23 |
mircea_popescu |
who! wohwho |
| 00:23 |
nubbins` |
http://yro.slashdot.org/story/15/03/25/1917255/radioshack-puts-customer-data-up-for-sale-in-bankruptcy-auction |
| 00:23 |
assbot |
RadioShack Puts Customer Data Up For Sale In Bankruptcy Auction - Slashdot ... ( http://bit.ly/1GpL4kr ) |
| 00:23 |
asciilifeform |
i forgot to include sata |
| 00:24 |
asciilifeform |
will do that tomorrow |
| 00:24 |
mod6 |
http://thebitcoin.foundation/gentoo-x86_32-bitcoind-static.txt |
| 00:24 |
assbot |
... ( http://bit.ly/1GpL9og ) |
| 00:24 |
mod6 |
danielpbarron: ^^^ |
| 00:24 |
mircea_popescu |
ahahaha |
| 00:24 |
asciilifeform |
after turdel/kernel is nailed down, i will post deterministic build for it |
| 00:24 |
asciilifeform |
starting with a particular checkout of 'buildroot' |
| 00:24 |
asciilifeform |
and buncha diffs |
| 00:24 |
asciilifeform |
same as i did for, well, the rest |
| 00:24 |
nubbins` |
rad, i'll be trying this |
| 00:25 |
nubbins` |
so this all fits in nand? |
| 00:25 |
asciilifeform |
the idea in my mind is to eventually have the whole shebang build from buildroot |
| 00:25 |
asciilifeform |
nubbins`: <5MB total |
| 00:25 |
* |
nubbins` claps |
| 00:25 |
asciilifeform |
nubbins`: this is kernel and all userland |
| 00:25 |
nubbins` |
amazing |
| 00:25 |
assbot |
AMAZING COMPANY! |
| 00:25 |
asciilifeform |
obviously no bitcoind in there, yet |
| 00:25 |
asciilifeform |
nothing esp. astonishing here |
| 00:25 |
nubbins` |
step at a time |
| 00:26 |
asciilifeform |
this is about how big a non-developer's linux ought to be |
| 00:26 |
danielpbarron |
Welcome to Buildroot |
| 00:26 |
danielpbarron |
buildroot login: root |
| 00:26 |
danielpbarron |
# |
| 00:26 |
asciilifeform |
try dmesg |
| 00:26 |
asciilifeform |
and top |
| 00:26 |
asciilifeform |
etc. |
| 00:26 |
danielpbarron |
neato |
| 00:26 |
asciilifeform |
most of the comforts of home, are there. |
| 00:27 |
asciilifeform |
i'ma leave it running overnight |
| 00:28 |
danielpbarron |
i can do that too if it helps |
| 00:28 |
mod6 |
cool! |
| 00:28 |
asciilifeform |
in case there are other clock surprises |
| 00:28 |
danielpbarron |
i should unplug the serial connector though right? |
| 00:28 |
asciilifeform |
why? |
| 00:28 |
danielpbarron |
you said it overheats? |
| 00:28 |
asciilifeform |
wai wat ?!! |
| 00:28 |
mod6 |
danielpbarron: and yah, im pulling blocks, need -nodnsseed though |
| 00:28 |
asciilifeform |
never said any such thing |
| 00:28 |
asciilifeform |
if heatsink is removed - yes, overheats |
| 00:28 |
asciilifeform |
but why remove it |
| 00:29 |
asciilifeform |
my serial cable goes right through the closed case |
| 00:29 |
asciilifeform |
i didn't even drill the latter |
| 00:29 |
asciilifeform |
just sorta crushed it in there |
| 00:29 |
danielpbarron |
ohh |
| 00:29 |
danielpbarron |
you meant the pogo board |
| 00:29 |
mod6 |
ok im gonna shutdown this aws instance. |
| 00:29 |
danielpbarron |
yeah i reclosed my unit |
| 00:29 |
asciilifeform |
danielpbarron: feel free to screw the box shut |
| 00:29 |
asciilifeform |
aha |
| 00:30 |
asciilifeform |
so no reason to unplug the serial cable, ever |
| 00:30 |
asciilifeform |
i have no idea how anyone could have gotten the notion that this causes overheating |
| 00:31 |
danielpbarron |
overheating of the serial adapter, not the pogo |
| 00:31 |
danielpbarron |
but clearly i misunderstood you |
| 00:31 |
asciilifeform |
wat?!?!! |
| 00:31 |
asciilifeform |
can't even imagine how chinese that adapter would have to be |
| 00:31 |
asciilifeform |
to ever begin to overheat |
| 00:31 |
danielpbarron |
!b 5 |
| 00:31 |
assbot |
Last 5 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/1TKX3SN.txt ) |
| 00:32 |
danielpbarron |
just had this show up: |
| 00:32 |
danielpbarron |
# random: nonblocking pool is initialized |
| 00:32 |
nubbins` |
heh. |
| 00:33 |
asciilifeform |
danielpbarron: i must remind you - and everyone else here - that pogo has no rng. |
| 00:33 |
asciilifeform |
none at all |
| 00:33 |
asciilifeform |
not even a very bad one. |
| |
↖ |
| 00:33 |
nubbins` |
ok, sorry, this turdel, what am i doing with it once gunzipped? |
| 00:33 |
asciilifeform |
nubbins`: it's a kernel |
| 00:33 |
asciilifeform |
you can boot a pogo with it |
| 00:33 |
danielpbarron |
can it be used with net console? |
| 00:34 |
asciilifeform |
doesn't dhcp by default, so no |
| 00:35 |
asciilifeform |
i just tested the nic |
| 00:35 |
danielpbarron |
i don't think mine does dhcp and still works |
| 00:35 |
asciilifeform |
nic works |
| 00:35 |
asciilifeform |
danielpbarron: odd |
| 00:35 |
danielpbarron |
i don't mean now that it's booted |
| 00:35 |
danielpbarron |
imean in uboot |
| 00:35 |
asciilifeform |
i didn't change the uboot |
| 00:35 |
danielpbarron |
setenv serverip 192... |
| 00:35 |
asciilifeform |
dear glub |
| 00:35 |
danielpbarron |
yeah i know, i mean whatever thing i put on it |
| 00:35 |
asciilifeform |
uboot is in a separate nand partition |
| 00:35 |
asciilifeform |
i didn't touch it |
| 00:36 |
asciilifeform |
what i put up just now as turdel-with-rootfs is just a kernel |
| 00:36 |
asciilifeform |
i don't even flash these in, booting from lan |
| 00:36 |
danielpbarron |
same |
| 00:36 |
asciilifeform |
or probably would've worn out my nand already |
| 00:36 |
danielpbarron |
i mean that i had previously flashed in a different uboot |
| 00:36 |
asciilifeform |
and booting arch every time i do a build would be retarded |
| 00:36 |
danielpbarron |
one that lets me set a serverip |
| 00:36 |
asciilifeform |
ah |
| 00:37 |
asciilifeform |
but that normally doesn't get you past the kernel jump-in |
| 00:37 |
danielpbarron |
as it boots it says "so and so is alive' |
| 00:37 |
asciilifeform |
after that it goes straight out ttyS0 |
| 00:38 |
asciilifeform |
so danielpbarron's 'works' does not mean logging in through netconsole ? |
| 00:38 |
asciilifeform |
as in, to the shell |
| 00:38 |
danielpbarron |
i have not tried with the thing you just made |
| 00:38 |
asciilifeform |
aha |
| 00:38 |
asciilifeform |
ok more logical |
| 00:38 |
asciilifeform |
don't expect that to work |
| 00:38 |
asciilifeform |
this turdel is strictly for folks with serial ports |
| 00:39 |
asciilifeform |
barring any other peculiar surprises, we have a linux kernel that builds for pogo, and runs there |
| 00:39 |
asciilifeform |
and an elementary userland to go with it |
| 00:39 |
asciilifeform |
('busybox'-based) |
| 00:40 |
asciilifeform |
weights slightly under 5MB but can be cut a bit |
| 00:40 |
asciilifeform |
*weighs |
| 00:40 |
danielpbarron |
trying now |
| 00:40 |
danielpbarron |
oh i see what you mean |
| 00:41 |
danielpbarron |
i remember why this didn't work with the netbsd one |
| 00:41 |
danielpbarron |
what is the point of netcat then? |
| 00:41 |
asciilifeform |
which 'this' |
| 00:42 |
asciilifeform |
danielpbarron: the point of the console-over-netcat was strictly to be able to screw with u-boot (adjust boot device, etc.) without having the serial port |
| 00:43 |
danielpbarron |
ah |
| 00:43 |
danielpbarron |
ok nevermind, nubbins` learn to solder |
| 00:43 |
asciilifeform |
this won't be an issue for much longer |
| 00:44 |
asciilifeform |
i'ma fix it so it grabs a dhcp addr. tomorrow. |
| 00:44 |
danielpbarron |
i feel a lot more confident to write documentation on that now |
| 00:44 |
asciilifeform |
btw this is not what the proper kernel will look like |
| 00:44 |
danielpbarron |
i was really confused about netcat to be honest |
| 00:44 |
asciilifeform |
because linux supports the nand just fine |
| 00:44 |
asciilifeform |
and there is no reason to clutter up the precious ram |
| 00:44 |
asciilifeform |
with crap |
| 00:45 |
asciilifeform |
userland (incl. bitcoind) will live in nand |
| 00:45 |
asciilifeform |
right now they're stuffed in the kernel proper |
| 00:46 |
asciilifeform |
when all of this makes sense - i'll post the diff. |
| 00:46 |
danielpbarron |
well i'll also leave mine on overnight |
| 00:46 |
danielpbarron |
oh btw, what color is the light on yours? |
| 00:46 |
asciilifeform |
yellow |
| 00:46 |
danielpbarron |
i was gonna call it orange |
| 00:46 |
asciilifeform |
this simply means the bicolor is on |
| 00:46 |
asciilifeform |
as in, both bits set |
| 00:46 |
danielpbarron |
yeah |
| 00:47 |
danielpbarron |
it's not green and not red |
| 00:47 |
asciilifeform |
laugh, but this also must be fixed |
| 00:47 |
asciilifeform |
it'll be most people's only interface to their nodes... |
| 00:47 |
danielpbarron |
my arch pogos have working lights |
| 00:47 |
danielpbarron |
they are green 24/7 |
| 00:48 |
danielpbarron |
lol |
| 00:48 |
asciilifeform |
danielpbarron: do you remember how to toggle them ? |
| 00:48 |
danielpbarron |
no |
| 00:48 |
danielpbarron |
i think it's in the debian instructions nubbins` found |
| 00:49 |
danielpbarron |
#set archNumber and machid (for LED) |
| 00:49 |
danielpbarron |
/tmp/fw_setenv arcNumber 3960 |
| 00:49 |
danielpbarron |
/tmp/fw_setenv machid F78 |
| 00:50 |
asciilifeform |
^ this doesn't do anything unless your kernel looks for these numbers |
| 00:56 |
felipelalli |
Hi! I'd like to update this page: http://wiki.bitcoin-assets.com/irc_bots to add assbot and deedbot- how can I create an user in this wiki? Thank you. |
| 00:56 |
assbot |
irc_bots [bitcoin assets wiki] ... ( http://bit.ly/1EGTQ9f ) |
| 00:58 |
danielpbarron |
;;later tell kakobrekla ^ and me too plz |
| 00:58 |
gribble |
The operation succeeded. |
| 01:07 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22300 @ 0.00022578 = 5.0349 BTC [-] {3} |
| |
~ 15 minutes ~ |
| 01:22 |
felipelalli |
Let me ask: about Bitcoin OTC WoT or Assbot, there is a public API where I can navigate in all database? Or just trough the irc commands? I want to make a "rank" similar to this: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/fb/PageRanks-Example.svg |
| 01:22 |
assbot |
... ( http://bit.ly/1OzIDzm ) |
| 01:34 |
nubbins` |
prolly should have tested tftp before setting it first in the boot order on the pogo |
| 01:34 |
nubbins` |
i guess this is as good a time as any to call it a night |
| |
~ 24 minutes ~ |
| 01:59 |
BingoBoingo |
!up Vexual |
| 02:00 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24832 @ 0.00022652 = 5.6249 BTC [+] {3} |
| 02:02 |
Vexual |
ohimjust here for the plonk data |
| 02:03 |
Vexual |
i heard cork, bordeaux 2 euro, |
| 02:04 |
Vexual |
might have to buy this pogo thing too |
| 02:04 |
mircea_popescu |
dude asciilifeform talking to danielpbarron is breaking my stack. same length names! |
| 02:09 |
Vexual |
hey popescue, two bottle of wine, one better than the other, which do you drink first? |
| 02:11 |
mircea_popescu |
the other. |
| 02:12 |
Vexual |
same |
| 02:14 |
mircea_popescu |
http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-03-2015#1072204 << it has just as good a one as normal pc : ethernet board |
| 02:14 |
assbot |
Logged on 26-03-2015 04:33:21; asciilifeform: not even a very bad one. |
| 02:18 |
mircea_popescu |
felipelalli yes you can query it with curl. it spits out json if you append json to any dir |
| 02:18 |
mircea_popescu |
see http://wiki.bitcoin-assets.com/irc_bots/assbot |
| 02:18 |
assbot |
irc_bots:assbot [bitcoin assets wiki] ... ( http://bit.ly/1J2qvKF ) |
| 02:33 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16384 @ 0.00022509 = 3.6879 BTC [-] |
| 02:34 |
BingoBoingo |
!up Vexual |
| 02:36 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10000 @ 0.00021915 = 2.1915 BTC [-] {2} |
| 02:37 |
Vexual |
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YqeW9_5kURI |
| 02:38 |
Vexual |
portlands changed |
| 02:39 |
Vexual |
i guess that what parole is |
| 02:40 |
Vexual |
;;lasercats |
| 02:40 |
gribble |
Error: "lasercats" is not a valid command. |
| 02:40 |
Vexual |
my eyes! |
| 02:46 |
Vexual |
fuck if you cant bankruot without a name change tho |
| 02:53 |
Vexual |
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UGLx4zzMdRA |
| 02:59 |
Vexual |
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PiZF7-hSGWA |
| |
~ 21 minutes ~ |
| 03:21 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4571 @ 0.00022453 = 1.0263 BTC [+] |
| |
~ 16 minutes ~ |
| 03:37 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 48000 @ 0.00021695 = 10.4136 BTC [-] {3} |
| |
~ 19 minutes ~ |
| 03:57 |
fluffypony |
http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/30ay6u/almost_10_more_full_nodes_since_this_morning/cpr6f6t?context=3 |
| 03:57 |
assbot |
fluffyponyza comments on Almost 10% more full nodes since this morning connected to the network. Over 400 more in US. Is there some sort of competition I don't know of ? ... ( http://bit.ly/1xAZ4GA ) |
| 03:59 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7462 @ 0.0002159 = 1.611 BTC [-] |
| |
~ 38 minutes ~ |
| 04:38 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17714 @ 0.0001694 = 3.0008 BTC [-] |
| |
~ 54 minutes ~ |
| 05:33 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31600 @ 0.00017002 = 5.3726 BTC [+] {3} |
| 05:47 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12109 @ 0.00016632 = 2.014 BTC [-] |
| |
~ 34 minutes ~ |
| 06:22 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11000 @ 0.00016632 = 1.8295 BTC [-] |
| |
~ 15 minutes ~ |
| 06:37 |
mats |
ffffffffuuuuuuuuuuuu |
| 06:48 |
jurov |
http://cs-people.bu.edu/heilman/eclipse/ |
| |
↖ |
| 06:48 |
assbot |
Eclipse Attacks on Bitcoin’s Peer-to-Peer Network ... ( http://bit.ly/1EH849Y ) |
| 06:48 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6805 @ 0.00016581 = 1.1283 BTC [-] {2} |
| 06:48 |
jurov |
hi mats |
| 06:51 |
davout |
mats: this seems to be supporting mp's thing "bitcoin can only work over gossipd" |
| 06:55 |
mats |
hi friends |
| |
~ 58 minutes ~ |
| 07:53 |
jurov |
http://www.reddit.com/r/Buttcoin/comments/30d28r/bitcoin_floundation_moves_to_dilute_the_bitcoin/ jus' for fun |
| 07:53 |
assbot |
Bitcoin Floundation Moves To Dilute The Bitcoin Brand : Buttcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/19TCzSE ) |
| 08:03 |
davout |
jurov: buttcoin is best coin |
| 08:03 |
davout |
gotta make fun of the neckbeard pesos |
| 08:11 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20953 @ 0.00014884 = 3.1186 BTC [-] |
| 08:16 |
davout |
wow |
| 08:16 |
davout |
S.MPOE freefall |
| 08:17 |
davout |
;;later tell mircea_popescu looks like someone has locked S.MPOE's cockpit from the inside! |
| 08:17 |
gribble |
The operation succeeded. |
| 08:18 |
mike_c |
still at 36 pe. it's getting into "value" range now with 3% divs. |
| 08:22 |
danielpbarron |
asciilifeform, still running, http://danielpbarron.com/turdel-with-rootfs.txt |
| 08:22 |
assbot |
... ( http://bit.ly/1HM076o ) |
| 08:22 |
danielpbarron |
height=298597 vs height=216895 |
| 08:36 |
jurov |
!t m s.mpoe |
| 08:36 |
assbot |
[MPEX:S.MPOE] 1D: 0.00014884 / 0.00022246 / 0.00025392 (937851 shares, 208.63 BTC), 7D: 0.00014884 / 0.00026871 / 0.00030622 (11824171 shares, 3,177.35 BTC), 30D: 0.00014884 / 0.00034565 / 0.0004493 (80690536 shares, 27,891.42 BTC) |
| 08:36 |
jurov |
!t m s.qntr |
| 08:36 |
assbot |
[MPEX:S.QNTR] 1D: 0 / 0 / 0 (0 shares, 0 BTC), 7D: 0.00020808 / 0.00020865 / 0.00021 (10000 shares, 2.09 BTC), 30D: 0.00020808 / 0.00024954 / 0.000301 (46659 shares, 11.64 BTC) |
| 08:36 |
jurov |
30d still won't budge |
| 08:37 |
jurov |
davout no cockpit, we just uncovered the fraud with kako |
| 08:38 |
davout |
lolwass |
| 08:38 |
jurov |
supposedly everyone got their own deposit addy and nobody except me comes here to pester mircea for deposits/withdrawals |
| 08:38 |
jurov |
i'm very curious what aill come out of this |
| 08:39 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23300 @ 0.00014884 = 3.468 BTC [-] |
| 08:41 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18000 @ 0.00014884 = 2.6791 BTC [-] |
| 08:43 |
jurov |
but i hope that if mp was scammer, he'd have arranged the situation to not look so forlorn :D |
| |
↖ |
| 08:44 |
mike_c |
jurov: wouldn't you expect most people to not ask for deposits/withdrawals in channel? |
| 08:44 |
mike_c |
i mean, i don't think i've ever seen anyone ever except you ask in channel. |
| 08:45 |
jurov |
why is everyone so utterly secretive? |
| 08:45 |
mike_c |
it's not secretive, it's just, why shout it? |
| 08:47 |
mike_c |
also, the 'announcement' was recent and the slide started some time ago. my guess is it has more to do with the drop in revenue than anything else, but mp and I have argued that before :) |
| 08:48 |
jurov |
i know, being half serious.. but really, i remember from s.dice times half of the chan bragging(or mourning) about trades they did |
| 08:48 |
jurov |
i don't remember any such thing for a long time recentyl |
| 08:49 |
mike_c |
heh, yeah. but that said more about s.dice than anything else |
| 08:49 |
mike_c |
people didn't brag/mourn about options trades either, and those were brutal |
| 08:49 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28947 @ 0.00014884 = 4.3085 BTC [-] |
| 08:50 |
jurov |
but small investors that were caught there, talked about it |
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| 08:51 |
mike_c |
!t m s.bbet |
| 08:51 |
assbot |
[MPEX:S.BBET] 1D: 0 / 0 / 0 (0 shares, 0 BTC), 7D: / / ( shares, BTC), 30D: 0.000065 / 0.00009669 / 0.00025 (100399 shares, 9.71 BTC) |
| 08:52 |
jurov |
^ large part of this was me, buying for upcoming divs |
| 08:52 |
mike_c |
^ 1% of bitbet has turned over in the last month. that seems "right" to me. s.mg is untradeable because it has so much coin. |
| 08:52 |
davout |
mike_c: howso? |
| 08:53 |
mike_c |
how do you trade in a company with no revenue and 10k bitcoin on the books? |
| 08:53 |
davout |
i'd naively say you'd base a valuation on the cash assets? |
| 08:53 |
mike_c |
heh, well, it's currently trading below book value |
| 08:54 |
mike_c |
but, point being, these stocks are generally held by serious investors and aren't going to have huge turnover. |
| 08:54 |
davout |
i see |
| 08:54 |
mike_c |
so without the options, where does mpex get revenue? it's an issue, and one that may be being reflected now in the stock price |
| 08:56 |
mike_c |
of course, the options exchange was hardly closed without reason (including some that remained unspoken), so it's tough to bring it back. |
| 08:59 |
mike_c |
davout: re s.mg. I think the problem there is that it is speculative whether they will be able to generate enough revenue to move the needle on the share price. so you might have your capital frozen in a stock that is basically valued as a pile of cash. |
| 09:00 |
mike_c |
which is why some people who would rather have the cash themselves are willing to dump it at 90% of book value. |
| 09:00 |
mike_c |
and I think it's too bad because it's an exciting company. if they're never going to spend the money, maybe just special dividend it back to the shareholders. |
| 09:02 |
jurov |
they will find a way to circulate them into ingame economy, that is not so big problem |
| 09:02 |
mike_c |
people have to pay to play, what do they need seed money for the game for? |
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| 09:04 |
jurov |
not a q for me |
| 09:06 |
jurov |
i should not have vented here, perhaps am just disillusioned how shabbily it works, deposits, dividends |
| 09:07 |
mike_c |
around the edges it is rough, but the important parts are rock solid. |
| 09:08 |
jurov |
i fucked too intimately with said parts to put myself behind such statement |
| 09:08 |
mike_c |
you think the trading engine isn't solid? or security? |
| 09:09 |
jurov |
security is good. but i won't repeat myself about the other stuff |
| 09:11 |
mike_c |
i've heard you talk about stuff like 'eventually consistent' and the statements missing some useful tracking features. |
| 09:11 |
mike_c |
but i've never heard about problems like 'my bid didn't match the best offer' |
| 09:12 |
mike_c |
except one time where something got fucked with a proxy i think :) |
| 09:12 |
mike_c |
but once in x years isn't bad |
| 09:12 |
jurov |
yes, if that's all you expect from an exchange... |
| 09:13 |
mike_c |
hm. yeah, it pretty much is :) |
| 09:13 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16100 @ 0.00014698 = 2.3664 BTC [-] |
| 09:13 |
mike_c |
but i can see you wanting more give you run a brokerage |
| 09:14 |
jurov |
i can see even non-broker client wanting to avoid hairy state machine to accurately track the account for daytrading |
| 09:14 |
mike_c |
who wants fucking daytraders? |
| 09:14 |
mike_c |
let the brokers deal with them :) |
| 09:15 |
mike_c |
and i mean that from a business perspective, i'm sure some of them are perfectly pleasant people who just happen to think they are going to daytrade their way to stardom. |
| 09:15 |
jurov |
davout isn't even daytrading... and took him fkn long time to get the bot right |
| 09:16 |
jurov |
not going to argue with you |
| 09:16 |
mike_c |
i'm not trying to argue, was just trying to flesh out the issues. but i think we covered it. |
| 09:18 |
jurov |
!s every movement from:jurov |
| 09:18 |
assbot |
0 results for 'every movement from:jurov' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=every+movement++from%3Ajurov |
| 09:18 |
jurov |
!s every balance from:jurov |
| 09:18 |
assbot |
1 results for 'every balance from:jurov' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=every+balance++from%3Ajurov |
| 09:19 |
jurov |
only filthy daytraders would need such, i guess |
| 09:27 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30050 @ 0.00014554 = 4.3735 BTC [-] {2} |
| 09:27 |
mike_c |
i'm trying to think of one, what balance change wouldn't have a reason? |
| 09:27 |
jurov |
deposits/withdrawals/pushes aren't shown in stat |
| 09:28 |
mike_c |
ah, right |
| 09:28 |
jurov |
and there were misc options.futures expirations |
| 09:28 |
mike_c |
yes, that was suboptimal :) |
| 09:28 |
mike_c |
but actually i thought we got that fixed |
| 09:29 |
jurov |
except for x.eur balances vanishing in the middle of month (at least it's at known time) and reappearing any time later |
| 09:31 |
jurov |
and dunno if you remember, there were daily interest payments in the beginning. without stat mention and at random times |
| 09:32 |
mike_c |
this is part of the reason though too. products come and go, with different features. |
| 09:32 |
mike_c |
x.eur hasn't been around that long. if it sticks around long enough, i'm sure it will work better. |
| 09:33 |
jurov |
what reason? |
| 09:33 |
mike_c |
part of the reason there are rough edges is that there are a lot of different products on mpex |
| 09:33 |
mike_c |
with differing needs |
| 09:34 |
mike_c |
path 1: engineer each product perfectly and ship 20 months late (sorry s.nsa). path 2: push it out, make sure it works as advertised, if it gets popular and sticks around, smooth out rough edges. |
| 09:37 |
jurov |
well, if mpex isn't now structurally able to issue information like "BalanceChange":[{"Date:": "blabla","MPSIC": "X.EUR", "Change": "-100", "Reason" :"Future expiration"}] |
| 09:37 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10750 @ 0.00014527 = 1.5617 BTC [-] |
| 09:37 |
jurov |
adding it later will only be harder |
| 09:39 |
jurov |
!up Vexual |
| 09:40 |
jurov |
anyway, having errands, brb |
| 09:40 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21000 @ 0.0001443 = 3.0303 BTC [-] |
| 09:50 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 55492 @ 0.00014985 = 8.3155 BTC [+] {2} |
| 09:51 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8398 @ 0.00015364 = 1.2903 BTC [+] |
| 10:05 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8616 @ 0.00015364 = 1.3238 BTC [+] |
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~ 20 minutes ~ |
| 10:26 |
nubbins` |
bricked the pogo, guess i'll need serial cable after all ;/ |
| 10:27 |
fluffypony |
how'd ya do that? |
| 10:29 |
nubbins` |
changed the boot order to check the NAND first, and then stuffed a bunch of garbage into it |
| 10:29 |
nubbins` |
https://twitter.com/aantonop/status/580862283158523904 |
| 10:29 |
assbot |
안녕하세요 http://t.co/q3eLLSDinv |
| 10:29 |
nubbins` |
^ pronounced like "bitte coin" |
| 10:29 |
nubbins` |
any deutsch in here? 8) |
| 10:30 |
nubbins` |
(also note the smaller characters above: two syllables, "suh" |
| 10:30 |
nubbins` |
and "ool" |
| 10:31 |
nubbins` |
or as westy likes to pronounce, "sole" |
| 10:32 |
nubbins` |
"With 1 Bitcoin and 650+ alternative coins each with their own symbol this new currency needs its symbol" |
| 10:32 |
nubbins` |
my sides |
| 10:32 |
nubbins` |
with 1 hot dog and 200 brands of frozen pizza, this new food needs a name. |
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| 10:35 |
mats |
https://www.fireeye.com/blog/threat-research/2015/03/flash_in_2015.html |
| 10:35 |
assbot |
Flash in 2015 « Threat Research | FireEye Inc ... ( http://bit.ly/1CrJEUZ ) |
| 10:36 |
nubbins` |
"That's odd: all 600+ new nodes came online with the user agent "/Satoshi:0.10.99/Gangnam Style:v4.01"" |
| 10:37 |
nubbins` |
!up Vexual |
| 10:38 |
Vexual |
10.99, what happened to 1.0? |
| 10:39 |
Vexual |
almmost elen\venty, cmon |
| 10:42 |
mats |
http://money.cnn.com/2015/03/25/investing/stocks-marketsdow-fall-growth-concern/index.html |
| 10:42 |
assbot |
Dow tumbles 292 points as economy shows cracks - Mar. 25, 2015 ... ( http://bit.ly/1CrK6m0 ) |
| 10:43 |
Vexual |
yemens blowing up |
| 10:45 |
Vexual |
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RS-WPTmaXvs saaab stories, but seriously, shit ron |
| 10:45 |
Vexual |
*shits orn |
| 10:46 |
nubbins` |
my other saab is a car |
| 10:47 |
Vexual |
lol, |
| 10:47 |
Vexual |
vine leaf porches |
| 10:47 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23686 @ 0.00015425 = 3.6536 BTC [+] {2} |
| 10:48 |
thestringpuller |
!ticker m s.mpoe |
| 10:48 |
assbot |
[MPEX:S.MPOE] 1D: 0.0001443 / 0.00020611 / 0.00025392 (1144012 shares, 235.80 BTC), 7D: 0.0001443 / 0.00026565 / 0.00030622 (11796040 shares, 3,133.70 BTC), 30D: 0.0001443 / 0.00034497 / 0.0004493 (80838287 shares, 27,887.00 BTC) |
| 10:48 |
Vexual |
seriously these yemenese will eat you |
| 10:48 |
thestringpuller |
!t m s.qntr |
| 10:48 |
assbot |
[MPEX:S.QNTR] 1D: 0 / 0 / 0 (0 shares, 0 BTC), 7D: 0.00020808 / 0.00020865 / 0.00021 (10000 shares, 2.09 BTC), 30D: 0.00020808 / 0.00024954 / 0.000301 (46659 shares, 11.64 BTC) |
| 10:48 |
Vexual |
and yo horse |
| 10:49 |
Vexual |
if its moist, its food |
| 10:50 |
Vexual |
you cant just bomb em' |
| 10:52 |
Vexual |
;;seen dub |
| 10:52 |
gribble |
dub was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 10 weeks, 0 days, 17 hours, 53 minutes, and 55 seconds ago: <dub> thats an interesting one for france given cambodia |
| 10:54 |
asciilifeform |
http://cryptome.org/2015/03/snowden-cia-fraud.htm << m3t4-nsa-l0l |
| 10:54 |
assbot |
... ( http://bit.ly/1Bs7eMz ) |
| 10:55 |
asciilifeform |
;;later tell mircea_popescu << http://homment.com/3K3xdsYD7a << reads like nuttery at first, but all of the factual claims as far as i could verify are - factual... if you can't bring yourself to grind it, have someone do it |
| 10:55 |
assbot |
Russia gov report Snowden Greenwald are CIA frauds pt1 ... ( http://bit.ly/1Bs7jzM ) |
| 10:55 |
gribble |
The operation succeeded. |
| 10:56 |
asciilifeform |
'NSA 'revelations' of liar-poseur Snowden, were chosen because (a) not really new (b) superficially fascinating, adding lustre to CIA media (c) mass-media exposure does not inhibit surveillance, and adds terror to those aware of it, adding to CIA-NSA success...' |
| 10:56 |
asciilifeform |
'CIA-Wikipedia ("Every dumbf-ck in the world believes Wikipedia") - artificially pumped by CIA Google to top of search results, a 'Trojan horse' for inserting CIA lies and rubbish - see the EU police report on Wikipedia fundraising fraud...' |
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| 10:56 |
Vexual |
waambulance |
| 10:57 |
asciilifeform |
'Helping identify and destroy genuine US / UK / Nato leakers, duping them into trusting fake 'brave reporters' for Snowden (CIA-backed Greenwald, Guardian, NYT), then these media help CIA to silence, destroy, extort, kill any real whistleblowers - leakers - dissidents.' |
| 10:57 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 60000 @ 0.00003998 = 2.3988 BTC [-] {18} |
| 10:57 |
asciilifeform |
'Advance CIA side of old CIA-NSA territory dispute in US government, in favour of CIA more traditionally allied with US wealthy ruling families; achieving goal of limiting NSA powers, which had become felt as a general threat (blackmail) and even financial threat (insider trading) to US leading families.' |
| 10:59 |
asciilifeform |
'Carmen Ortiz is reminded that two other female prosecutors, Thelma Colbert and Shannon Ross, were both found dead after opposing Bush family interests. Ortiz is asked if she would like to be the 3rd dead female prosecutor.' |
| 10:59 |
asciilifeform |
many other stimulating tidbits. |
| 11:02 |
asciilifeform |
'The American cult of judicial corruption - central tool of America's 'Deep State' government mafia - is not well known, because experts on it - like myself - are 'erased' from internet searches, with US judges directly 'ordering' Google to censor evidence and journalism about their crimes. The world is instead deceived and fooled by the image of US courts in Hollywood movies and on Google search results - hiding the grim real |
| 11:02 |
asciilifeform |
ity. The central role of the US judge-lawyer mafia, is the reason over 1 million Americans have become lawyers in what is the developed world's most abusive, corrupt legal system. Though many American lawyers are now unemployed or low-income, they often became lawyers in the first place, because they hoped for at least a junior role in the US courtroom mafia, with a licence to steal the wealth of others.' |
| 11:02 |
Vexual |
pretty sure brazillians are de rigieur and we wont see another bush' |
| 11:03 |
asciilifeform |
'The two richest men in America, my Harvard classmate Bill Gates whom I met as a boy, and Warren Buffett, were both quite threatened when they were acting too independently of America's ruling consensus. Legal action - by America's bribed, extorted judges and regulators - menaced them both. As each backed down and became more submissive to US policies, the threatened legal and regulatory actions against them evaporated.' |
| 11:04 |
asciilifeform |
anyway this should be enough lure for everybody. mega-lulzy tirade. if chumpatronic, it is of top quality and i take off my hat to the chumpatronicist. |
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| 11:08 |
thestringpuller |
!up Vexual |
| 11:08 |
asciilifeform |
'In response to a legal request submitted to Google, we have removed 1 result(s) from this page.' |
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| 11:08 |
Vexual |
lol thats how i find content |
| 11:09 |
asciilifeform |
but the notification itself was removed. |
| 11:09 |
asciilifeform |
fella linked to a page full of 'removed' instead of search results, for his name |
| 11:09 |
Vexual |
thats unusual |
| 11:09 |
asciilifeform |
seems like somebody worked overtime to replace most of these with a set of 'benign' 'he's a nutter' results |
| 11:11 |
asciilifeform |
https://www.indymedia.nl/en/2011/07/77181.shtml << more or less the only other mention i was able to find of him. |
| 11:11 |
assbot |
Indymedia NL (The Netherlands) - EU Report, Google Inc. Anti-Competition Crimes & Deception ... ( http://bit.ly/1Bs8rDx ) |
| 11:12 |
Vexual |
good one,, funny |
| 11:12 |
Vexual |
google rports crimes now? |
| 11:13 |
Vexual |
or what? |
| 11:13 |
Vexual |
you see the latest hip hop moving to spotify only |
| 11:14 |
asciilifeform |
Vexual: i also did not see the latest gas vortex on jupiter. |
| 11:14 |
Vexual |
hmm, that sounds like something i might have said |
| 11:15 |
Vexual |
oh levels are high |
| 11:15 |
Vexual |
did i have aplan for some moon or other? |
| 11:16 |
asciilifeform |
http://yandex.ru/yandsearch?text=%22Leszek%20Sachs%22 << not particularly more interesting |
| 11:16 |
assbot |
Яндекс ... ( http://bit.ly/1HLnccF ) |
| 11:16 |
asciilifeform |
almost enough to nail down the thesis that yandex lifts results straight from google |
| 11:17 |
asciilifeform |
did turn up one more, http://www.banned-in-america.net/david-e-rosenbaum-murdered.html |
| 11:17 |
assbot |
The murder of US journalist David Rosenbaum, as he investigated corrupt US judges - questions remain ... ( http://bit.ly/1HLnD6W ) |
| 11:19 |
asciilifeform |
danielpbarron: 11:03:18 up 11:03, load average: 0.00, 0.01, 0.04 |
| 11:22 |
asciilifeform |
can we get mr Sachs in here ? |
| 11:22 |
asciilifeform |
what would it take ? |
| 11:22 |
nubbins` |
chumpatronicist |
| 11:22 |
nubbins` |
lel |
| 11:23 |
Vexual |
can we get mcafee? |
| 11:24 |
Vexual |
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bKgf5PaBzyg |
| 11:25 |
Vexual |
he dont write asm anymore |
| 11:27 |
nubbins` |
asciilifeform must i gunzip turdel then tftp 0x800000 filename.gz? |
| 11:27 |
nubbins` |
er wat. |
| 11:27 |
asciilifeform |
nubbins`: yes |
| 11:27 |
nubbins` |
consider the above q modified to make sense |
| 11:27 |
nubbins` |
ok |
| 11:27 |
nubbins` |
did so. obv smth was incorrect |
| 11:27 |
asciilifeform |
nubbins`: http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-February/000050.html << as i wrote here |
| 11:27 |
assbot |
... ( http://bit.ly/1Bs9yD4 ) |
| 11:28 |
nubbins` |
nod, the ".ub" confused as the gunzip'd file had no ext |
| 11:29 |
nubbins` |
PROTIP to self: put tftp /after/ mmc in boot order next time |
| 11:31 |
asciilifeform |
'The CIA-Snowden fraud was, to a degree, a semi-brilliant scam, even though it is now falling apart. On the surface, it seems anyone talking about these awful NSA activities 'must be genuine' - Few people considered what else Snowden was saying. When he moves out of an extremely narrow channel of CIA-scripted 'NSA revelations', Snowden's agenda is to be a slimy, sleazy salesman...' |
| 11:32 |
asciilifeform |
was i the only one here who actually read (for a time) mr s's (purported) www output (e.g., 'twitter', etc) ? |
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| 11:32 |
asciilifeform |
it was full of outright garbage |
| 11:32 |
nubbins` |
i missed it, but his "how to use tor" video was painful |
| 11:32 |
asciilifeform |
and if 'the real snowden' ever stood up to refute the 'fake' - i never heard of such. |
| 11:34 |
asciilifeform |
http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-03-2015#1043648 << thread where mircea_popescu illuminates the war between cia and nsa |
| 11:34 |
assbot |
Logged on 06-03-2015 00:52:42; mircea_popescu: if you decide to fuck whomint, where the fuck is harry poter fanfic boy going to find money to pay for his groceries ? |
| 11:34 |
asciilifeform |
though 'war' is very much the wrong term, just as 'fight' is not a correct word for what happens between the corresponding two types of kid in the playground |
| 11:35 |
nubbins` |
struggle |
| 11:35 |
asciilifeform |
clobbering. |
| 11:36 |
asciilifeform |
it's only a 'struggle' if they're both still moving. |
| 11:36 |
nubbins` |
Hello. Thanks for your email. We were selling these consistently at $30-$35. The price seems to fluctuate on these overtime.I know that many people are modifying them for other things so I know there is a very strong market for them. We have about 3000 of these left at this point.I would be willing to sell a minimum of 1000 units but would be more interested in selling all 3000 that I have left. Can you tell me what you're wanting to do |
| 11:36 |
nubbins` |
with them? Are you just wanting to resell them or modify them or something else? Please feel free to make me an offer on a minimum of 1000 units or an offer for all 3000 units if that would interest you. I look forward to hearing from you soon! |
| 11:36 |
hexual |
skylarking? |
| 11:36 |
nubbins` |
asciilifeform mircea_popescu etc ^^ |
| 11:36 |
nubbins` |
pogov4 |
| 11:36 |
asciilifeform |
which type |
| 11:37 |
nubbins` |
purple, like yrs |
| 11:37 |
asciilifeform |
aha |
| 11:37 |
hexual |
price landed |
| 11:37 |
nubbins` |
current list price is 18usdea |
| 11:37 |
asciilifeform |
i wonder how many one could get at the list price |
| 11:37 |
nubbins` |
not sure what the guy's sweet spot is |
| 11:37 |
asciilifeform |
i was half-expecting that my 10 would exhaust the supply |
| 11:37 |
asciilifeform |
(it didn't, of course) |
| 11:38 |
asciilifeform |
nubbins`: where was this ? |
| 11:38 |
asciilifeform |
the manufacturer ? |
| 11:38 |
nubbins` |
amazon seller |
| 11:39 |
nubbins` |
!up Vexual |
| 11:41 |
Vexual |
yall should have someone sesible liek do da emails |
| 11:50 |
* |
nubbins` is sensibul biznis ownur |
| 11:50 |
* |
Vexual is on the good wine |
| 11:50 |
danielpbarron |
so like 18k to 50k worth? |
| 11:51 |
Vexual |
2 euro |
| 11:52 |
asciilifeform |
'The laughable CIA story we are asked to swallow, is that the US regime is doing zero against Omidyar, despite his being the 'owner' of 'tens of thousands' of 'Snowden stolen espionage documents'. When of course if 'Snowden' was not a CIA operation, all American hell would be loose against Omidyar, Greenwald and the rest, targeting their assets and persons on US territory.' |
| 11:54 |
asciilifeform |
'After making public revelations critical of US policies, former CIA director William Colby was himself found dead in 1996 from a laughably improbable 'canoe accident'. US Congressman Wayne Owens was found dead in Israel in 2002 while investigating US corruption connections.' << 'best news is the history you didn't know' (mircea_popescu?) |
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| 11:55 |
mod6 |
!t m s.mpoe |
| 11:55 |
assbot |
[MPEX:S.MPOE] 1D: 0.0001443 / 0.00020445 / 0.00025392 (1031337 shares, 210.86 BTC), 7D: 0.0001443 / 0.00026506 / 0.00030622 (11517071 shares, 3,052.80 BTC), 30D: 0.0001443 / 0.00034496 / 0.0004493 (80824654 shares, 27,881.74 BTC) |
| 11:55 |
Vexual |
tahiti is a long way in a canoe |
| 11:55 |
mod6 |
fuckin 'a right |
| 11:56 |
Vexual |
the journey prefers stout gents |
| 11:56 |
nubbins` |
the stout prefers gent journeys |
| 11:56 |
nubbins` |
ok, reply sent. let's see where this goes. |
| 11:56 |
Vexual |
dont they tho |
| 12:00 |
nubbins` |
"But Wi-Fi hotspots can't deliver wireless connection speeds any faster than the incoming wired connection from your cable or other ISP (Internet service provider); top theoretical AC router speeds are only available in a direct computer-to-computer wireless connections, which you'll never do." |
| 12:00 |
nubbins` |
so much fail |
| 12:01 |
nubbins` |
you're right, i'd never want to transfer data within my network |
| 12:01 |
asciilifeform |
nubbins`: whatever it was, was probably referring to 'ad hoc mode' |
| 12:01 |
Vexual |
the bettong with the scroll on its ankle is the bottleneck here |
| 12:01 |
asciilifeform |
nubbins`: you use ad-hoc mode often ? |
| 12:02 |
nubbins` |
in fact, i don't, but i kinda think that's not what the guy meant to say |
| 12:02 |
asciilifeform |
what even was this |
| 12:02 |
nubbins` |
who cares what the router speed is if you're going ad-hoc? |
| 12:02 |
nubbins` |
just some random huffpo article about how yr router is lying to you |
| 12:02 |
nubbins` |
because the pipe coming into your house is slower |
| 12:02 |
nubbins` |
(o.O) |
| 12:02 |
Vexual |
not in japan its not |
| 12:03 |
asciilifeform |
not here, either |
| 12:03 |
Vexual |
they have optic fibre to the eyeball |
| 12:03 |
Vexual |
yeah but youd have it anyway ascii |
| 12:04 |
asciilifeform |
i have a few wifi devices. the radio is definitely the bottleneck. |
| 12:04 |
Vexual |
nubbins shoos bears off his wifi' |
| 12:05 |
nubbins` |
i think this was written for USians with slow pipes |
| 12:05 |
nubbins` |
fiber to the door here, i dare the wifi to keep up |
| 12:07 |
thestringpuller |
wifi is for people who don't like living in a house akin to Kowloon Walled City |
| 12:07 |
Vexual |
i wrote this next week |
| 12:09 |
Vexual |
yes, comin atchya on a 1.4 |
| 12:14 |
asciilifeform |
'As they say, 'you cannot make these things up', the Americans are so ridiculously obvious as they conduct criminal deceptions. The CIA's 'Watergate' scheme to destroy Richard Nixon 40 years ago, was so successfully with the fake 'brave reporter' Woodward, that the CIA even decided to use Woodward's junior partner as a fake 'brave reporter' along with Greenwald in 'Operation Fake Dissident Snowden'.' |
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| 12:39 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 234882 @ 0.00015768 = 37.0362 BTC [-] {4} |
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| 12:54 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34900 @ 0.00015753 = 5.4978 BTC [-] |
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| 13:14 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22700 @ 0.00015753 = 3.5759 BTC [-] |
| 13:18 |
asciilifeform |
http://pastebin.com/BCSUcA13 |
| 13:18 |
assbot |
CIA fraud Julian Assange abusing Ecuador London embassy - Pastebin.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1ydCNsV ) |
| 13:18 |
asciilifeform |
'Assange and Snowden are cold or actively insulting and hostile to real dissidents. For example, Assange grossly insults anyone who does not believe the absurd US gov story about 11 Sep 2001 - which no serious person believes. Assange insults the thousands of architects, engineers, US military and intelligence veterans, who continually describe how the 'official story' is a fraud. ' |
| 13:20 |
nubbins` |
"I am a Harvard classmate of top US leaders" the wankery is strong with this one |
| 13:20 |
asciilifeform |
nubbins`: i don't give a damn if he claims to be a martian |
| 13:20 |
asciilifeform |
the story, to the extent it can be checked out, checks out. |
| 13:20 |
nubbins` |
how about if he claims to be a martian in every communique? 8) |
| 13:20 |
asciilifeform |
and fits the known facts more tightly than anything else i've encountered |
| 13:21 |
asciilifeform |
that is, why not a single one of the 'leaks' actually damaged any tangible lizard interest |
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| 13:21 |
asciilifeform |
recall that the nsa devices catalogue was -not- a snowden leak |
| 13:21 |
asciilifeform |
but came from the other fella |
| 13:21 |
asciilifeform |
now (almost certainly) dead |
| 13:21 |
asciilifeform |
it shuffled in and was permitted to spread, to lend credibility to the rest of the pile. |
| 13:22 |
nubbins` |
yfw 0.5.3 has a hidden backdoor and both satoshi and mp are complicit! |
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| 13:22 |
asciilifeform |
nubbins`: that's your 'incredulity immune system' healthily working |
| 13:23 |
nubbins` |
and me without a general checkup in years |
| 13:23 |
nubbins` |
anyway, you're correct in that nothing leaked was particularly damaging to the lizards |
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| 13:24 |
nubbins` |
which in itself is mildly curious |
| 13:24 |
asciilifeform |
and that details of -specific- compromises, clearly apparent from context in some of the docs, were scrubbed |
| 13:24 |
nubbins` |
i bet assange is such a fucking dirtbag |
| 13:25 |
nubbins` |
he probably eats potato chips for breakfast |
| 13:25 |
asciilifeform |
sachs also lists names, times, places of folks 'suicided' by usg, with reasons. |
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| 13:25 |
asciilifeform |
no one has, afaik, seen it fit to refute any of it. |
| 13:26 |
asciilifeform |
at any rate, i'll summarize for the impatient. according to sachs, snowden heap was lifted. but under cia (his original and actual employer) direction. and then carefully selected. |
| 13:27 |
asciilifeform |
mainly to create a usg-controlled 'muppet hero' who will lead actual leakers to their deaths |
| 13:27 |
asciilifeform |
but also to drum up a feeling of 'everyone is surveilled' |
| 13:27 |
asciilifeform |
sachs does -not- mention it, but the folks in #b-a know well, that it also created a vast and thriving market of faux 'security' paraphernalia. |
| 13:27 |
nubbins` |
i wonder how many btc people sent snowden |
| 13:28 |
asciilifeform |
('redphone', 'blackphone', and 1001 other pieces of rubbish) |
| 13:28 |
nubbins` |
ah, blackphone, i recall |
| 13:28 |
nubbins` |
turns out it was in fact clearphone? |
| 13:28 |
asciilifeform |
long ago proven fact. |
| 13:28 |
nubbins` |
rite |
| 13:28 |
asciilifeform |
and countless other 'schneierisms.' |
| 13:31 |
felipelalli |
mircea_popescu: thank you so much. But I guess this is not true on OTC WoT? Only in assbot, right? |
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| 13:32 |
danielpbarron |
otc sucks anyway |
| 13:33 |
mod6 |
well, it didn't used to suck. |
| 13:34 |
mod6 |
speaking of... i kinda miss trading otc |
| 13:35 |
danielpbarron |
do miners even sell in there? or is it all people acting as coinbase pass-throughs? |
| 13:36 |
mod6 |
I dunno anymore. It used to be different. |
| 13:38 |
mod6 |
is there a way to visually see the ratings for a given nick with assbot? |
| 13:38 |
mircea_popescu |
o wow check that out, 15s! |
| 13:38 |
mircea_popescu |
iamsopoor.jpg |
| 13:40 |
mod6 |
!gettrust mod6 assbot |
| 13:40 |
assbot |
Trust relationship from user mod6 to user assbot: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 8 via 4 connections. | http://w.b-a.link/trust/mod6/assbot | http://w.b-a.link/user/assbot |
| 13:41 |
mike_c |
mod6: soon. it'll be public after conference. |
| 13:41 |
mod6 |
krad |
| 13:42 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 235486 @ 0.00015906 = 37.4564 BTC [+] {3} |
| 13:43 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 125550 @ 0.00016085 = 20.1947 BTC [+] |
| 13:44 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 199550 @ 0.00016085 = 32.0976 BTC [+] |
| 13:45 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 873079 @ 0.00016333 = 142.6 BTC [+] {3} |
| 13:46 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 306674 @ 0.00017534 = 53.7722 BTC [+] {5} |
| 13:49 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10100 @ 0.00019321 = 1.9514 BTC [+] |
| 13:51 |
mod6 |
!t m s.mpoe |
| 13:51 |
assbot |
[MPEX:S.MPOE] 1D: 0.0001443 / 0.00017661 / 0.00025392 (3033844 shares, 535.82 BTC), 7D: 0.0001443 / 0.00024898 / 0.00030622 (13265892 shares, 3,303.03 BTC), 30D: 0.0001443 / 0.00034046 / 0.0004493 (82819096 shares, 28,197.34 BTC) |
| 13:54 |
mod6 |
!gettrust assbot nubbins` |
| 13:54 |
assbot |
Trust relationship from user assbot to user nubbins`: Level 1: 1, Level 2: 12 via 12 connections. | http://w.b-a.link/trust/assbot/nubbins%60 | http://w.b-a.link/user/nubbins%60 |
| 13:55 |
mod6 |
Hey nubbins`: if you're not signed up to the btc-dev list, now is not a horrible time. You wouldn't mind sending your OSX steps there (in a clearsigned message) would you? |
| 13:56 |
nubbins` |
oh, sure. here's the thing tho |
| 13:56 |
mod6 |
http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=uJQDaKcz << this thing |
| 13:56 |
assbot |
... ( http://bit.ly/1D2nQl9 ) |
| 13:56 |
mod6 |
ok |
| 13:57 |
nubbins` |
i'mma have to set up a new pgp key |
| 13:57 |
mod6 |
ah, ok. best day to do that is today. |
| 13:57 |
nubbins` |
o? |
| 13:57 |
mod6 |
well, so the saying goes :] |
| 13:57 |
mod6 |
anyway, thanks in advance. |
| 13:58 |
nubbins` |
heh, np. |
| 13:59 |
mod6 |
It'd be nice to have it in there anyway, signed by yourself. And then I can mention it in this months address as well. |
| 13:59 |
nubbins` |
anyone got a guide for assbot wot handy? |
| 13:59 |
mod6 |
!help |
| 13:59 |
assbot |
http://wiki.bitcoin-assets.com/irc_bots/assbot |
| 13:59 |
nubbins` |
ty |
| 13:59 |
nubbins` |
i'm gonna need to rate my key but i guess i hafta register it with assbot first |
| 13:59 |
nubbins` |
wait, i can just !changekey, right? |
| 13:59 |
mod6 |
i don't think you can rate yourself. |
| 14:00 |
nubbins` |
mod6 i use separate pgp keys for various things |
| 14:00 |
mod6 |
yeah, changekey should do it. but don't listen to me. i r dumb. ask kako to make sure. |
| 14:00 |
nubbins` |
the one i use here is, uh, not the one i should be signing foundation releases with |
| 14:01 |
mod6 |
ah, no worries, this can wait until later, days or weeks if needed. |
| 14:01 |
nubbins` |
nah, i'll get it done |
| 14:01 |
mod6 |
i was just hoping for before 31st of march. :] |
| 14:02 |
* |
nubsy searches for gpg cheat sheet |
| 14:04 |
nubbins` |
!rate nubsy 10 top kek |
| 14:04 |
assbot |
Request successful, get your OTP: http://w.b-a.link/otp/39eaf513bb3f09f9 |
| 14:04 |
nubbins` |
o right |
| 14:04 |
asciilifeform |
<nubbins`> the one i use here is, uh, not the one i should be signing foundation releases with << care to explain why ? |
| 14:04 |
asciilifeform |
(not that there is anything necessarily wrong with this) |
| 14:05 |
nubbins` |
note email address attached to 3C84 4002 |
| 14:05 |
nubbins` |
(pinkeyeprints@gmail.com) |
| 14:05 |
asciilifeform |
aha |
| 14:06 |
nubbins` |
while ostensibly pink eye has business using a gpg key around these parts, it's hard for me to justify "signing foundation code releases" as a relevant business activity |
| 14:06 |
nubbins` |
now, where was i |
| 14:09 |
nubbins` |
mod6 i can just dump clearsigned text into the body, yes? |
| 14:10 |
mod6 |
Yes, Sir. |
| 14:10 |
nubbins` |
ok, sent |
| 14:11 |
nubbins` |
like i said earlier, these steps should be relatively impervious to future code changes |
| 14:12 |
mod6 |
I don't see it in there, but the mailatronic has been known to snarf messages at will. |
| 14:12 |
nubbins` |
i *just* registered the key with assbot |
| 14:12 |
mod6 |
Maybe we can get jurov to take a peek. If not, post your clearsigned message to pastebin and maybe I can clearsign your clearsigned message and send it myself. |
| 14:13 |
nubbins` |
maybe it hasn't refreshed yet |
| 14:13 |
mod6 |
aight, we'll give it a day. |
| 14:13 |
nubbins` |
!gettrust assbot nubsy |
| 14:13 |
assbot |
Trust relationship from user assbot to user nubsy: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 1 via 1 connections. | http://w.b-a.link/trust/assbot/nubsy | http://w.b-a.link/user/nubsy |
| 14:13 |
mod6 |
no problem. thanks for putting the work in there and getting that going! |
| 14:13 |
nubbins` |
hey, np |
| 14:13 |
nubbins` |
http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=DGCB4D13 |
| 14:13 |
assbot |
... ( http://bit.ly/1D2r5ce ) |
| 14:14 |
nubbins` |
^ set to expire in 1 week |
| 14:14 |
nubbins` |
just in case |
| 14:14 |
mod6 |
ok sweet. |
| 14:15 |
mod6 |
;;later tell jurov did you see any weirdness from Mailman regarding nubbins`'s OSX clearsigned message on 2015.03.26? |
| 14:15 |
gribble |
The operation succeeded. |
| 14:16 |
nubbins` |
haha fuck. |
| 14:16 |
nubbins` |
i sent it from the wrong account |
| 14:16 |
nubbins` |
sec |
| 14:16 |
mod6 |
haha |
| 14:16 |
mod6 |
ok |
| 14:18 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 39882 @ 0.00019551 = 7.7973 BTC [+] |
| 14:18 |
nubbins` |
ok, sent |
| 14:18 |
nubbins` |
if *that* doesn't show up, either we gotta wait for key list to refresh or there's some other strange |
| 14:18 |
* |
nubbins` would not be surprised if ML doesn't poll assbot wot very frequently |
| 14:18 |
jurov |
haven't you just created the key? |
| 14:19 |
jurov |
no it does not poll it at all, i refresh i manually *blushes* |
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| 14:19 |
nubbins` |
the key itself is old, i just reg'd it with assbot 15 mins ago |
| 14:19 |
nubbins` |
oh you! :D |
| 14:19 |
nubbins` |
nickname "nubsy" |
| 14:19 |
nubbins` |
7C77 9724 |
| 14:20 |
nubbins` |
FWIW it's not the sort of thing that needs to poll just yet |
| 14:21 |
mod6 |
yeah, agree. it doesn't need that functionallity yet. |
| 14:21 |
mod6 |
thanks jurov |
| 14:23 |
nubbins` |
yeah tyvm, let me know when updated and i'll resend |
| 14:24 |
nubbins` |
height=206724 |
| 14:28 |
nubbins` |
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=339417.msg10894583#msg10894583 |
| 14:28 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] (HIF) Havelock Investments Fund ... ( http://bit.ly/1D2u2JM ) |
| 14:28 |
* |
nubbins` cries |
| 14:30 |
mod6 |
jeeze |
| 14:33 |
nubbins` |
"hai guise where my maniez? i email" |
| 14:40 |
nubbins` |
Very respectfully yours, Dr Les (Leslie - Leszek) Sachs - Scholar of the history of law and religion, with 7 earned academic degrees from 3 universities, the first two from Harvard University, alongside many US leaders; |
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| 14:40 |
nubbins` |
heh |
| 14:41 |
nubbins` |
Dr Les (went to school w/ important people) Sachs |
| 14:41 |
asciilifeform |
again he can be a martian if he wants |
| 14:42 |
nubbins` |
but if martian is a synonym for obvious attention-seeker... |
| 14:42 |
nubbins` |
(what's up with the CV as a footnote?) |
| 14:42 |
asciilifeform |
nubbins`: there are far more tedious and less apparently factual 'seekers' who get considerably more attention |
| 14:42 |
asciilifeform |
and sachs gives testable hypotheses |
| 14:42 |
nubbins` |
granted |
| 14:43 |
asciilifeform |
which is why i don't give a damn what he is |
| 14:43 |
asciilifeform |
the most testable hypothesis is that google systematically blackholes him |
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| 14:43 |
asciilifeform |
this is testable right from where you're sitting. |
| 14:43 |
nubbins` |
"Former USA resident who risked being tortured to death, attempting defence of human and Constitutional rights inside the United States, facing down terrorist gangster lawyers in a US courtroom, alone because US lawyers cower in fear before bribed US judges;" |
| 14:43 |
nubbins` |
Major Accomplishments: |
| 14:43 |
nubbins` |
Faced down terrorist gangster lawyers in a US courtroom, alone |
| 14:44 |
nubbins` |
Formerly lived in a glass-bottomed boat with oars made of flame |
| 14:44 |
asciilifeform |
i get it, pattern-matches 'nuttery' |
| 14:44 |
nubbins` |
anyway, i'm just poking fun of the chrome here |
| 14:44 |
nubbins` |
not addressing the content of the thing 8) |
| 14:45 |
nubbins` |
which, on the face, is no more or less plausible than the understanding anyone else is operating under |
| 14:45 |
asciilifeform |
the bells and gongs sticking out of that thing make it considerably less palatable, yes, which i suspect is the only reason sachs is still alive |
| 14:47 |
asciilifeform |
note that there is no public communique from harvart 'this fella never went here' (whether factual or not) |
| 14:47 |
asciilifeform |
*harvard |
| 14:52 |
nubbins` |
ugh |
| 14:52 |
nubbins` |
guy's websites are a fuckin pain to read |
| 14:52 |
nubbins` |
maybe there's truth in here? |
| 14:52 |
nubbins` |
i couldn't be fucked to read another page of it |
| 14:52 |
asciilifeform |
i pasted in some of the highlights. |
| 14:52 |
asciilifeform |
(earlier today) |
| 14:52 |
asciilifeform |
he is not a master of the english language. |
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| 14:53 |
nubbins` |
nor a master of not encasing the entire page in <strong> |
| 14:53 |
asciilifeform |
but despite the superficial flavour, i don't get the usual 'schizo' vibe from it. |
| 14:53 |
nubbins` |
how the fuck is someone supposed to parse this |
| 14:53 |
nubbins` |
i dunno man, the one page about cromwell i read was nutted out |
| 14:53 |
asciilifeform |
wai wat |
| 14:53 |
nubbins` |
cornwell, w/e |
| 14:53 |
asciilifeform |
this is where? |
| 14:54 |
nubbins` |
http://www.patricia-cornwell-biography.net/new-us-federal-court-lawsuit.html |
| 14:54 |
assbot |
New US Federal Court lawsuit involving Patricia Cornwell -Cornwell renews threats to murder Dr Les Sachs ... ( http://bit.ly/1EHB5SY ) |
| 14:54 |
nubbins` |
here's a snippet |
| 14:54 |
nubbins` |
Cornwell quickly denounces the "dirty Jews", the "filthy Jews". Indeed, attacking Jews is a real passion for the neo-Nazi Cornwell, while at the same time engaging in the 'Pleasures of Adolf Eichmann', Cornwell's hiring of dishonest Jews to do dirty jobs for her, a 'pet Jew' whom Cornwell can dominate. |
| 14:54 |
asciilifeform |
nubbins`: http://www.loper-os.org/pub/sachs.txt << minus the css. just for you. |
| 14:55 |
assbot |
... ( http://bit.ly/1EHB6Gy ) |
| 14:55 |
asciilifeform |
^ mirror |
| 14:55 |
nubbins` |
ty |
| 14:57 |
asciilifeform |
at any rate, herr sachs has not posited any martian armies taking over earth. instead, he connected a number of dots which are plain as daylight |
| 14:57 |
asciilifeform |
and are there for anyone who wants to see them. |
| 14:58 |
nubbins` |
\o/ |
| 14:58 |
asciilifeform |
snowden (or whatever bourbaki is responsible for writing his public-facing garbage) insulted the intelligence of the entire planet a thousand times |
| 14:58 |
asciilifeform |
and somehow it all washed. |
| 14:59 |
asciilifeform |
from his pushing tor, to promising to reveal 'who plugged jfk', to countless other distractions |
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| 14:59 |
asciilifeform |
and the multicoloured 'phones' |
| 14:59 |
asciilifeform |
etc. |
| 15:00 |
nubbins` |
Cornwell's lawyers know this, that attacking and murdering Jews is Cornwell's ultimate fetish and fantasy, to herself become a lesbian Adolf Hitler. Cornwell's longtime lawyers Shumadine and Rudell, mentioned above, took advantage of this back in 2000, when they threatened someone of Jewish heritage with a Jew-baiting extortion letter. |
| 15:00 |
nubbins` |
after clicking 5 links through various pages of gibberish, i find the "jew-baiting" extortion letter |
| 15:00 |
asciilifeform |
link? |
| 15:00 |
nubbins` |
which turns out to be, essentially, http://www.patricia-cornwell-biography.net/patricia-cornwell-jew-baiting-extortion-letter-p-1.jpg |
| 15:00 |
assbot |
... ( http://bit.ly/1EHBLIe ) |
| 15:01 |
nubbins` |
http://www.patricia-cornwell-biography.net/patricia-cornwell-jew-baiting-extortion-letter-p-2.jpg |
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| 15:01 |
assbot |
... ( http://bit.ly/1EHBJjn ) |
| 15:01 |
nubbins` |
reminds me of the woman who claimed JK Rowling stole her book "Larry Botter" or w/e |
| 15:01 |
nubbins` |
anyway |
| 15:01 |
nubbins` |
for all i know, this guy is preaching the true word |
| 15:02 |
asciilifeform |
nubbins`: mind you, i cannot vouch for his sanity |
| 15:02 |
nubbins` |
obv barely hanging on. |
| 15:02 |
asciilifeform |
but i am not his shrink and this is not my job. |
| 15:02 |
asciilifeform |
not sure how 'sane' you and i would appear, after a few decades in his position. |
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| 15:02 |
asciilifeform |
whatever that may be |
| 15:02 |
nubbins` |
at the risk of being blithe, he's a nutter who harasses people he thinks are out to get him |
| 15:02 |
nubbins` |
but what do i know. |
| 15:03 |
mike_c |
how much are they paying you nubbins`? |
| 15:03 |
asciilifeform |
how would you distinguish this animal from the other, very different, species with similar markings ? |
| 15:03 |
nubbins` |
mike_c my purpose of being here has been discussed in the past |
| 15:03 |
nubbins` |
my salary has not |
| 15:04 |
punkman |
https://github.com/chipsec/chipsec |
| 15:04 |
assbot |
chipsec/chipsec · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1EHBULw ) |
| 15:04 |
nubbins` |
asciilifeform problem is, if the "similar markings" are verbal diarrhoea, i just wouldn't be able to. |
| 15:05 |
nubbins` |
everyone with this type of crazy has the same website |
| 15:05 |
asciilifeform |
punkman: requires patching winblows to put kernel in 'dev mode' and removing signature checks. which is readily visible to any decend crapware |
| 15:05 |
nubbins` |
endless, endless pages |
| 15:05 |
nubbins` |
each with endless, endless paragraphs of text |
| 15:05 |
asciilifeform |
punkman: hence no stealth in the analysis |
| 15:05 |
nubbins` |
full of hyperbole and exaggeration |
| 15:05 |
nubbins` |
the only difference between this guy and a "SHTF" type prepper is the style of the gibberish |
| 15:06 |
asciilifeform |
nubbins`: my hypothesis is that this kind of thing is -caused by- rather than -a cause of- the futility of 'shouting in the wilderness' |
| 15:06 |
asciilifeform |
nubbins`: the pertinent difference is the testability of the claims and how perfectly they square, imho, with the publicly-available facts. |
| 15:06 |
asciilifeform |
none of the other shit ultimately matters. |
| 15:06 |
nubbins` |
mine is that it's a piece of breat with nut butter on both sides |
| 15:07 |
nubbins` |
but again. i'm not evaluating his claims (how can i? 100% not reading any more), just the way in which he presents himself and his theories |
| 15:07 |
nubbins` |
these rambling essays to me are like rounded corners to mp |
| 15:08 |
asciilifeform |
nubbins`: the actual facts about usg are sufficiently monstrous that they will trigger -any- reasonable person's immune system the way they triggered yours, if encountered raw in one gigantic torrent |
| 15:08 |
punkman |
asciilifeform: doesn't have to run in windows though |
| 15:08 |
asciilifeform |
nubbins`: picture how a 'civilian' would view #b-a log if he were to read 'the choice bits' |
| 15:08 |
nubbins` |
sure. overwhelming. |
| 15:08 |
asciilifeform |
punkman: the uefi variant runs from... within bios? |
| 15:09 |
asciilifeform |
punkman: which is one of the objects under test |
| 15:09 |
asciilifeform |
how's that supposed to work |
| 15:11 |
nubbins` |
woo, got a contact for bulk orders from that other place |
| 15:11 |
nubbins` |
"We currently have plenty of them in stock" |
| 15:11 |
asciilifeform |
punkman: at any rate, check out the vendor - intel. |
| 15:11 |
nubbins` |
OH ALSO |
| 15:11 |
nubbins` |
For two days only, save 40% on Pogoplug Unlimited Cloud—just $29 for the first year (reg. $49.95). |
| 15:11 |
nubbins` |
;p |
| 15:11 |
asciilifeform |
intel is interested in 'platform security' in much the same way that monsanto is interested in your healthy diet. |
| 15:12 |
punkman |
asciilifeform: aha, smells like PR |
| 15:12 |
asciilifeform |
from what i can tell, the thing reads fw images, tests if smm register is properly locked, etc. |
| 15:12 |
asciilifeform |
perfectly pedestrian things. |
| 15:13 |
asciilifeform |
but don't be surprised if it makes headlines in the mouthpiece press as a mega-s333k00r1ty-gotterdammerung |
| 15:13 |
* |
nubbins` lives on monsanto-free island (for now) |
| 15:14 |
nubbins` |
phun phact, newfoundland was england's first overseas colony |
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| 15:31 |
nubbins` |
woo |
| 15:31 |
nubbins` |
may have a job printing posters for big-name punk band :0 |
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| 15:34 |
asciilifeform |
nubbins`: "We currently have plenty of them in stock" << may be pessimistic, but i strongly suspect that the $20 stock will evaporate very quickly once the manufacturer realizes what these are being used for. |
| 15:34 |
asciilifeform |
nubbins`: not unlike the 'playstation' supercomputing clusters and sony's response |
| 15:36 |
danielpbarron |
!up Bagels7 |
| 15:37 |
nubbins` |
nod |
| 15:38 |
nubbins` |
first guy is already "!!!!"ing me |
| 15:38 |
nubbins` |
i suspect he did a google |
| 15:42 |
mod6 |
<+nubbins`> may have a job printing posters for big-name punk band :0 << anyone i'd know? |
| 15:43 |
BingoBoingo |
If the bad has a big name it can't be very punk |
| 15:44 |
mod6 |
what about Fugazi. Or the Melvins? Everyone knows them, they're still punk(tm) |
| 15:45 |
BingoBoingo |
Were punk, they were punk, emphasis on the past tense |
| 15:47 |
mod6 |
Do you consider Strung Out to be a punk band? |
| 15:47 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 167100 @ 0.00026674 = 44.5723 BTC [+] {2} |
| 15:47 |
mod6 |
I heard they're gonna be playing up here. gotta try to catch 'em. |
| 15:48 |
nubbins` |
mod6 you'd definitely know em, the name starts with P and it's not pennywise |
| 15:49 |
nubbins` |
but can't say much else til the contract is signed :D |
| 15:49 |
nubbins` |
BingoBoingo any punk band you've heard of is by definition not punk |
| 15:49 |
nubbins` |
but the trappings of punk |
| 15:49 |
nubbins` |
8) |
| 15:49 |
nubbins` |
mod6 melvins was a good guess tho, they get silkscreened posters done locally for all their slows |
| 15:49 |
nubbins` |
*shows |
| 15:49 |
mod6 |
ah, cool |
| 15:50 |
BingoBoingo |
<nubbins`> BingoBoingo any punk band you've heard of is by definition not punk << Of course by the time I've heard of them they've lapsed. |
| 15:50 |
nubbins` |
heh |
| 15:50 |
nubbins` |
semi related: http://www.amoeba.com/live-shows/detail-1122/ |
| 15:50 |
assbot |
Melvins - Live at Amoeba Music ... ( http://bit.ly/19nRcMR ) |
| 15:50 |
nubbins` |
10/10 have watched maybe 15 times |
| 15:51 |
mod6 |
oh startswith P. i know who it is. that's awesome! |
| 15:51 |
nubbins` |
BingoBoingo you want real punk, check local flyers for bands called "cider squad" and shit like that |
| 15:51 |
nubbins` |
mod6 :D |
| 15:52 |
nubbins` |
& watch some crust kid barf on a drum kit |
| 15:52 |
gribble |
Error: "watch" is not a valid command. |
| 15:52 |
nubbins` |
yeah yeah |
| 15:52 |
BingoBoingo |
nubbins`: Cider Squad can't be punk anymore. You have to understand that my herueistic for this is that if I've heard of something it can no longer be punk, underground, or whatever |
| 15:52 |
nubbins` |
natch |
| 15:53 |
nubbins` |
i recall being at one of these shows once |
| 15:53 |
nubbins` |
guy comes up "hey, wanna go in on a case of beer?" |
| 15:53 |
nubbins` |
me: "...dude, we're at a bar" |
| 15:53 |
nubbins` |
"...oh yeah" then guy wanders in and takes stage w/ band |
| 15:53 |
nubbins` |
heh |
| 15:54 |
asciilifeform |
mod6, ben_vulpes, nubbins`, mircea_popescu, et al: |
| 15:55 |
asciilifeform |
observation: sshd on a box with no rng may as well be replaced by telnetd |
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| 15:55 |
asciilifeform |
saves 1MB |
| 15:55 |
asciilifeform |
activated, naturally, (if present in the battlefield version at all) by holding down button on boot |
| 15:56 |
asciilifeform |
to be used only by devs or by folks who want to turn a knob (e.g., set a static ip instead of dhcp) |
| 15:56 |
asciilifeform |
i wouldn't even bother with it at all if it weren't for folks here who don't feel like soldering the serial plug |
| 15:57 |
nubbins` |
a ha ha, you've got a point. |
| 15:57 |
asciilifeform |
no one should ever be connecting to these things except on his own lan during setup |
| 15:57 |
asciilifeform |
(for shell, i mean) |
| 15:58 |
nubbins` |
i'm gonna be /making/ a serial cable anyway |
| 15:59 |
nubbins` |
but if you don't mind the indulgence, short term... |
| 15:59 |
asciilifeform |
something like this will be necessary if there is to be any possibility of changing, say, the ip bringup |
| 15:59 |
asciilifeform |
(i don't like dhcp myself, for example) |
| 16:03 |
asciilifeform |
http://lwn.net/Articles/474243 << other side of debate |
| 16:03 |
assbot |
A hole in telnetd [LWN.net] ... ( http://bit.ly/19nSqHP ) |
| 16:04 |
mod6 |
ok, maybe i don't understand. but im gonna ask anyway. but what you're saying is that the pogo embedded os wont have a rng? |
| 16:04 |
asciilifeform |
mod6: it has -no- source of entropy other than i/o |
| 16:04 |
asciilifeform |
not even a battery-backed clock |
| 16:04 |
mod6 |
so what is bitcoind supposed to do? |
| 16:04 |
asciilifeform |
bitcoind does not need entropy for anything |
| 16:04 |
asciilifeform |
unless abused |
| 16:04 |
asciilifeform |
in ways which we do not intend to abuse it |
| 16:05 |
asciilifeform |
(i.e. use as a wallet) |
| 16:05 |
mod6 |
ok. so we won't sign transactions then |
| 16:05 |
asciilifeform |
mod6: not on a pogo! |
| 16:05 |
asciilifeform |
POGO IS NOT A WALLET |
| 16:05 |
mod6 |
ah, ok. derp. |
| 16:05 |
asciilifeform |
for anyone who did not know |
| 16:05 |
mod6 |
gotcha. |
| 16:05 |
mod6 |
see, just thought i'd ask. |
| 16:05 |
mod6 |
haha |
| 16:05 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 241000 @ 0.00026322 = 63.436 BTC [-] {2} |
| 16:06 |
asciilifeform |
(do not read this to take that a battery-backed clock is any kind of source of entropy, also.) |
| 16:08 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17263 @ 0.00026256 = 4.5326 BTC [-] |
| 16:11 |
nubbins` |
i had to double check the pcb last night when your rtc0 init failed |
| 16:11 |
asciilifeform |
i did warn. |
| 16:11 |
asciilifeform |
the rtc is actually there, and worked under arch iirc |
| 16:11 |
asciilifeform |
but it has no battery power |
| 16:11 |
nubbins` |
wa.. oh, yes |
| 16:12 |
nubbins` |
put another way, do not solder a battery holder into your pogo and use it as a wallet, either 8) |
| 16:13 |
asciilifeform |
http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-01-2015#989978 |
| 16:13 |
assbot |
Logged on 24-01-2015 05:51:18; mircea_popescu: holy hell a sane engineer. |
| 16:15 |
nubbins` |
hm, good info, pin |
| 16:15 |
asciilifeform |
pin? |
| 16:17 |
nubbins` |
try !s <that word> from:nubbins` some time |
| 16:19 |
Adlai |
!s pin from:nubbins` |
| 16:19 |
assbot |
12 results for 'pin from:nubbins`' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=pin+from%3Anubbins%60 |
| 16:22 |
jurov |
http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-11-2013#393640 nubbins` obv meant this |
| 16:22 |
assbot |
Logged on 26-11-2013 16:54:13; nubbins`: floor. vast communities of bulky orderlies. rowhouses of nurses. all rooms are hospitals now. the firmament, a massive inferno of blue-black gods. judges pouring time as the piss of Dionysus. insects dripping honey and pulling wax upon my ears. says, 'All the angels can dance on the tip of a pin. all thoughts can jig upon the point of a pen' |
| 16:22 |
nubbins` |
ha |
| 16:22 |
nubbins` |
natch! |
| 16:23 |
nubbins` |
alf just triggered one of my snowcrash zone-outs |
| 16:26 |
* |
Adlai watches a snail crawl across the edge of a razor |
| 16:29 |
asciilifeform |
'Note that telnetd won't auto-start on boot because of securilty concerns |
| 16:29 |
asciilifeform |
- until user manually starts telnetd while connected via serial console |
| 16:29 |
asciilifeform |
there's no chance for unexpected root access to the target (this is |
| 16:29 |
asciilifeform |
especially true if root has no password set - which is by defult).' |
| 16:29 |
asciilifeform |
^ shitgnomery disguised as 'seeek000rity' |
| 16:29 |
asciilifeform |
'we'll tie your hands for your own good' |
| 16:30 |
jurov |
don't see a problem there. once telnet starts, root access is no longer unexpected. |
| 16:31 |
asciilifeform |
jurov: how do you propose to log in to the box ? |
| 16:32 |
BingoBoingo |
"Must be a heavy dude," Griffin said, "to have all these police come out." >> http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/crime-and-courts/st-louis-man-threatened-to-kill-police-rigged-home-with/article_cf037dda-dd90-5959-b84f-80f59f7403e3.html |
| 16:32 |
assbot |
St. Louis man threatened to kill police, rigged home with booby traps, court documents say : News ... ( http://bit.ly/19nUD62 ) |
| 16:32 |
asciilifeform |
all the above means is that buildroot deliberately fucked up the build system to make it extremely inconvenient to add it to the default init |
| 16:33 |
asciilifeform |
BingoBoingo: robot with shotgun |
| 16:33 |
asciilifeform |
BingoBoingo: afaik a first in official media photo ? |
| 16:34 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 110600 @ 0.00025498 = 28.2008 BTC [-] |
| 16:34 |
BingoBoingo |
asciilifeform: It just might be the first |
| 16:34 |
asciilifeform |
qntra ? |
| 16:35 |
asciilifeform |
and cache plz |
| 16:35 |
asciilifeform |
esp. of the photo. |
| 16:37 |
asciilifeform |
linked video has the thing roll about |
| 16:37 |
asciilifeform |
good shots of bot with different smalls arms mounted |
| 16:37 |
asciilifeform |
nothing in the text about this, naturally |
| 16:37 |
asciilifeform |
;;later tell mircea_popescu guess what usg's response to 'solzhenitsyn's axe' is, aha. |
| 16:37 |
gribble |
The operation succeeded. |
| 16:39 |
BingoBoingo |
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4I7NOO4lYGc |
| 16:39 |
assbot |
ICOR EOD/SWAT Robot - Firing Shotgun - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/19nVbsH ) |
| 16:40 |
asciilifeform |
looks similar, but not quite same, yes |
| 16:41 |
asciilifeform |
'The informant said he had known Hagler for more than 30 years. Hagler had a seething hatred for his ex-wife and was becoming more agitated after events in Ferguson and because he believed he would lose his homes in St. Louis for not paying taxes, according to court documents. A second informant said the tone of his views against government....' |
| 16:41 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 93650 @ 0.00025968 = 24.319 BTC [+] |
| 16:42 |
asciilifeform |
expect this kind of policing to become sop |
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| 16:42 |
asciilifeform |
that is, heavily-armoured box shows up with puppeteer, who controls (via radio or fiber) several deathbots |
| |
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| 16:43 |
asciilifeform |
one to break doors, gates; one to threaten bystanders, if any, with 'accidental' fire; one to shoot; and perhaps one with a cage that arrestee -might- be permitted to surrender into, if the bot's voice-recognition system works and if orders included a possible live capture |
| |
↖ ↖ ↖ ↖ ↖ ↖ ↖ |
| 16:44 |
asciilifeform |
still think 'usg as high-tech north kr is impossible', ? |
| |
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| 16:47 |
BingoBoingo |
Imma watch the video and try to screencap the variety of arms |
| |
~ 19 minutes ~ |
| 17:06 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 178850 @ 0.00024803 = 44.3602 BTC [-] {3} |
| |
~ 16 minutes ~ |
| 17:23 |
BingoBoingo |
!up nubbins` |
| 17:23 |
BingoBoingo |
!up jordandotdev |
| 17:26 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 115157 @ 0.00024502 = 28.2158 BTC [-] |
| 17:28 |
jurov |
http://bitcoinblog.de/2015/02/23/fidor-bank-and-bitcoin-de-launch-bitcoin-express-trading-system/ |
| 17:28 |
assbot |
FIDOR Bank and Bitcoin.de launch Bitcoin Express trading system | BitcoinBlog.de - das Blog für Bitcoin und andere virtuelle Währungen ... ( http://bit.ly/1NkclVF ) |
| 17:28 |
jurov |
" is set to become the world’s first trading platform with a direct connection to the classic banking system" davout perhaps you may something to say about that? |
| |
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| |
~ 23 minutes ~ |
| 17:51 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 54150 @ 0.00025621 = 13.8738 BTC [+] |
| 18:00 |
BingoBoingo |
asciilifeform: http://qntra.net/2015/03/local-police-arming-robots/ |
| 18:01 |
assbot |
Local Police Arming Robots | Qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1xCSPSI ) |
| 18:05 |
BingoBoingo |
^ Picture in article is larger than when displayed with the text |
| 18:13 |
asciilifeform |
084ace0c578a4920a4cad59e426165b180fd8b1e170e9da406772bf1546208abc63d8b101fa63b9152d2003a816b4309203bbd391e434302830a3de3eab2dddc turdel_with_telnet.gz |
| 18:13 |
mircea_popescu |
in other news, http://40.media.tumblr.com/14928d833dfd20e18ce340276c8dfb1c/tumblr_nl7g0yecQf1tulo74o1_500.jpg |
| 18:13 |
assbot |
... ( http://bit.ly/1xCUnMh ) |
| 18:13 |
asciilifeform |
http://www.loper-os.org/pub/turdel_with_telnet.gz |
| 18:13 |
asciilifeform |
achtung, panzers! |
| 18:13 |
mircea_popescu |
nubbins` not a bad deal, but meh, spend 35k on this thing ? |
| 18:14 |
asciilifeform |
this turdel will 1) boot and dhcp 2) start a suicidal telnet that goes straight into a root shell |
| 18:14 |
asciilifeform |
still no sata support - but this is enough to begin testing |
| 18:14 |
asciilifeform |
of bitcoind, for example. |
| 18:14 |
mircea_popescu |
"Police report at EU national police agencies, extensively discussing CIA-Wikipedia-Google media control crimes, of which the CIA-Snowden fraud is part." |
| 18:14 |
mircea_popescu |
can you retro-translate this via your russian dictionary to actual english ? |
| 18:14 |
asciilifeform |
mircea_popescu: i was just about to! |
| 18:14 |
asciilifeform |
he meant 'report to police' |
| 18:14 |
asciilifeform |
written by himself |
| 18:15 |
mircea_popescu |
himself = snowden ? |
| 18:15 |
asciilifeform |
nono |
| 18:15 |
asciilifeform |
sachs |
| 18:15 |
mircea_popescu |
so some guy wrote some things on a piece of paper about what he heard on the news and submitted this to his local police station ? |
| 18:15 |
asciilifeform |
'police report at' == 'report written to police' |
| 18:15 |
asciilifeform |
and word 'police' here meant very loosely |
| 18:16 |
asciilifeform |
anyway, document in question is a piece of nuttery containing, if you put it through a juice extractor, some very sensible hypotheses |
| 18:16 |
asciilifeform |
i'd squeeze them out myself, but no time at present |
| 18:16 |
asciilifeform |
did paste in some of the highlights. |
| 18:16 |
mircea_popescu |
aha ima look in logs then |
| 18:16 |
asciilifeform |
BingoBoingo, punkman, nubbins`, anyone else with a non-serialport pogov4 - new kernel that you can try. |
| 18:17 |
asciilifeform |
(see earlier) |
| 18:17 |
asciilifeform |
it is able to use usb storage and sd |
| 18:17 |
asciilifeform |
not yet sata, though i am still unable to figure out why (CONFIG_SATA_MV is set) |
| 18:18 |
nubbins` |
mircea_popescu there's also then the issue of where to stash them etc |
| 18:20 |
nubbins` |
anyway, now ya know how much that many of em costs 8) |
| 18:24 |
mircea_popescu |
afaik danielpbarron resolved that, but srsly, 3k seems at this point excessive. bitcoin hasn't had that many nodes since i dunno, 2012. |
| 18:24 |
asciilifeform |
mircea_popescu: if parachuting, must take into account yield |
| 18:24 |
asciilifeform |
that is, how many will actually reach good home |
| 18:24 |
asciilifeform |
once deployed |
| 18:24 |
mircea_popescu |
quite. |
| 18:25 |
mircea_popescu |
so far i think we're well supplied for that. |
| 18:25 |
mircea_popescu |
but it does put your 101 or 202 to actually 3001+ |
| 18:25 |
asciilifeform |
minus however many usg buys now that we said this. |
| 18:25 |
asciilifeform |
to sink into the sea |
| 18:25 |
mircea_popescu |
lmao |
| 18:26 |
mircea_popescu |
an usg that *cares*. wouldn't that be a sight. |
| 18:27 |
asciilifeform |
brb meatspace excursion |
| 18:29 |
mircea_popescu |
fluffypony lol has that derp actually sold any o'reilly tomes ? or we not talking about how product fails at the one fucking job product had ? |
| 18:30 |
mircea_popescu |
http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-03-2015#1072329 << imo the assumptions are very weak. |
| 18:30 |
assbot |
Logged on 26-03-2015 10:48:35; jurov: http://cs-people.bu.edu/heilman/eclipse/ |
| 18:30 |
fluffypony |
lol |
| 18:30 |
mircea_popescu |
for one thing, the "node identified by ip" thing we discussed yesterday. |
| 18:30 |
fluffypony |
Andreas Spake and Thus it Was |
| 18:30 |
mircea_popescu |
to complement what i said then, not only i know of no infrastructure nodes that are reliably identifiable by ip, but i know of no infrastructure nodes that have no vpn access to other nodes. |
| 18:31 |
mircea_popescu |
the idea you are going to "monopolize" connections to a node is laughable, as they are all implemented to have hardwired connections you don't get to touch, in a pedestrian, difficult and unwieldy reimplementation of a wot system. |
| 18:31 |
mircea_popescu |
moreover, "n confirmation doublespends" still needs you to produce mined blocks of a proper difficulty, which is just as hard as on the main net. |
| 18:32 |
mircea_popescu |
in short - this is why academic wankery is called academic wankery. it has all the characteristics of useful work save a few. |
| 18:33 |
mircea_popescu |
davout yeah seems it's going for the other moon. |
| 18:34 |
mircea_popescu |
http://qntra.net/2015/03/bitcoin-floundation-moves-to-dilute-the-bitcoin-brand/ << scam foundation couldn't do more to ruin its own claim to relevancy in the space if it deliberately tried. |
| 18:34 |
assbot |
Bitcoin Floundation Moves To Dilute The Bitcoin Brand | Qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1xCX00L ) |
| 18:36 |
mircea_popescu |
http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-03-2015#1072359 << wait wut! |
| 18:36 |
assbot |
Logged on 26-03-2015 12:43:53; jurov: but i hope that if mp was scammer, he'd have arranged the situation to not look so forlorn :D |
| 18:36 |
mircea_popescu |
http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-03-2015#1072370 << yeah, mats was bitching about it like twenty lines up o.O |
| 18:36 |
assbot |
Logged on 26-03-2015 12:50:04; jurov: but small investors that were caught there, talked about it |
| 18:37 |
nubbins` |
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oaGdvgufWEU |
| 18:37 |
assbot |
Duck Stampede - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1xCXpA9 ) |
| 18:38 |
mircea_popescu |
dude, ducks rule for stampedes. |
| 18:38 |
mircea_popescu |
at least large herbivores lookl like they were basically built for it |
| 18:38 |
mircea_popescu |
but... DUCKS ?! |
| 18:38 |
mircea_popescu |
omfg millions od fucks! |
| 18:38 |
mircea_popescu |
uh... |
| 18:39 |
mircea_popescu |
check out the berth thery give cars too. |
| 18:40 |
mircea_popescu |
duck computing. |
| 18:40 |
mircea_popescu |
http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-03-2015#1072387 << people pay to play in a casino too, |
| 18:40 |
assbot |
Logged on 26-03-2015 13:02:41; mike_c: people have to pay to play, what do they need seed money for the game for? |
| 18:41 |
mircea_popescu |
what's casino need bankrolls ?! |
| 18:42 |
nubbins` |
store sells goods, why you need to start the day with a full register? |
| 18:43 |
nubbins` |
8) |
| 18:43 |
mircea_popescu |
lol |
| 18:43 |
mircea_popescu |
http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-03-2015#1072450 << this is uniquely idiotic, btw. |
| 18:43 |
assbot |
Logged on 26-03-2015 14:32:24; nubbins`: with 1 hot dog and 200 brands of frozen pizza, this new food needs a name. |
| 18:44 |
mircea_popescu |
first, trying to attack bitcoin with the nonsensical "oh, nothing notable except blockchain technologee" |
| 18:44 |
mircea_popescu |
then, once that worked as well as you'd expect, moving on to "oh, nothing notable, many things just like it" ? |
| 18:44 |
mircea_popescu |
who comes up with these strats i wonder. |
| 18:44 |
mircea_popescu |
alf's lizard hitler seems pretty similar to the original hitler cca 1944. |
| 18:45 |
mircea_popescu |
"das war ein befehl!" |
| 18:46 |
mircea_popescu |
"Ihr Saurianitet, nichts bedeutet..." |
| 18:46 |
mircea_popescu |
"BEFEHL!!1!1" |
| 18:48 |
mircea_popescu |
must be crowdsourced. |
| |
~ 18 minutes ~ |
| 19:06 |
jurov |
sorry, i just had some slanderous moments |
| 19:08 |
jurov |
feeling better now. and later today i got an email someone wants to haul considerable amount of stuff from havelol to coinbr. |
| 19:10 |
mircea_popescu |
had enough lols ? |
| 19:10 |
mircea_popescu |
ayway, i don't mind. questioning is the core of progress! |
| 19:11 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 124541 @ 0.00024503 = 30.5163 BTC [-] {2} |
| 19:14 |
mircea_popescu |
http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-03-2015#1072482 << this bit is afaik uncontroversial. |
| 19:14 |
assbot |
Logged on 26-03-2015 14:56:44; asciilifeform: 'CIA-Wikipedia ("Every dumbf-ck in the world believes Wikipedia") - artificially pumped by CIA Google to top of search results, a 'Trojan horse' for inserting CIA lies and rubbish - see the EU police report on Wikipedia fundraising fraud...' |
| 19:14 |
mircea_popescu |
heck, i said it in the logs too. |
| 19:15 |
mircea_popescu |
the only thing is, i do not believe the degradation of google's model from algorithmic to "algorithmic" to "whatever, we'll just do it by hand" is in any sense cia's work. |
| 19:15 |
mircea_popescu |
it's just simple thermodynamics. |
| 19:15 |
mircea_popescu |
note the exact same fate of the only similar thing to date : imperial chinese examination. |
| 19:15 |
mircea_popescu |
also, originally, an attempt to resolve the "find sites" problem by iteration over the graph. |
| 19:16 |
mircea_popescu |
a while later (about the same while later) it was exactly the same thing : "wikipedia at top of all search results because wikipedia at top of all search results". |
| 19:17 |
mircea_popescu |
that guardian is an intel asset, and greenwald in particular just gavin in a different color scheme is again uncontroversial. |
| 19:17 |
mircea_popescu |
leakers that actually trust the entire press-to-public model are idiots in the first place. |
| 19:17 |
asciilifeform |
anybody try 'turdel_with_telnet' ? |
| 19:18 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 52900 @ 0.00025333 = 13.4012 BTC [+] |
| 19:18 |
asciilifeform |
mircea_popescu: uncontroversial << in #b-a. where else ? |
| 19:18 |
mircea_popescu |
that usg courts are a sad joke, again uncontroversial. |
| 19:18 |
mircea_popescu |
everywhere i go. |
| 19:19 |
mircea_popescu |
"where three thinking people gather" or w/e the soviet expression was |
| 19:19 |
asciilifeform |
i would like to visit such a place |
| 19:19 |
asciilifeform |
other than #b-a, i mean |
| 19:19 |
mircea_popescu |
date more sluts ? |
| 19:19 |
mircea_popescu |
the clever sort, i mean. |
| 19:20 |
asciilifeform |
100% solid believers in the fishwrap XOR reddit everywhere i've physically set foot in usa. |
| 19:20 |
mircea_popescu |
what is the intersection of this everywhere and prefab furniture ? |
| 19:20 |
asciilifeform |
prefab ? |
| 19:21 |
mircea_popescu |
yes. as in not made of wood. |
| 19:21 |
asciilifeform |
ah meant pressboard |
| 19:21 |
mircea_popescu |
right |
| 19:21 |
asciilifeform |
solid pressboard. |
| 19:21 |
mircea_popescu |
well then if it's the whole set maybe not a good set. |
| 19:21 |
asciilifeform |
where in usa, outside of antique shop, do you find anything else. |
| 19:21 |
mircea_popescu |
in the houses of thinking people. |
| 19:21 |
asciilifeform |
in the houses of elderly. |
| 19:22 |
asciilifeform |
(of thinking and other kinds) |
| 19:22 |
mircea_popescu |
thinking people are rarely under 30. |
| 19:22 |
asciilifeform |
try 80 |
| 19:22 |
mircea_popescu |
not my fault puritans tend to spawn late bloomers. |
| 19:22 |
* |
asciilifeform owns some furniture of actual wood, university surplus |
| 19:22 |
* |
asciilifeform and of steel |
| 19:23 |
* |
mircea_popescu will underscore there's nothing wrong with cheap ikea stuff. what was at stake above was the expectation that a sample with weird homologies may be representative for "the world" |
| 19:23 |
* |
asciilifeform makes no claim of 'the world' except as 'world he is able to access' |
| 19:23 |
mircea_popescu |
ie, if "all the women you've talked to" spit, and also are not wearing skirts, maybe sample is no good. |
| 19:23 |
mircea_popescu |
rather than "women spit" |
| 19:24 |
mircea_popescu |
asciilifeform but take a piece like http://trilema.com/2013/the-sops-or-what-might-you-expect-from-government-clerks/ |
| 19:24 |
assbot |
The SOPS, or what might you expect from government clerks pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1CeYlJA ) |
| 19:25 |
asciilifeform |
aha ... ? |
| 19:25 |
mircea_popescu |
whilke it's arguable if it makes the point more or less persuasively than that thing, nevertheless, it does make it, and who exactly argued with it ? |
| 19:26 |
asciilifeform |
mircea_popescu: usg appears to have a very strict 'do not engage mircea_popescu on open terrain' rule |
| 19:26 |
mircea_popescu |
chomsky actually said that the joe stack grievances are legitimate, and will take over if not tackled. |
| 19:26 |
mircea_popescu |
just... none of this is controversial. |
| 19:26 |
asciilifeform |
makes specific claims re: who/why of snowden, for instance |
| 19:26 |
mircea_popescu |
i mean, sure, it's not watercooler conversation, among 10-20 an hour derps. |
| 19:26 |
mircea_popescu |
why would it be ? |
| 19:26 |
asciilifeform |
these are 'noncontroversial' ? |
| 19:27 |
mircea_popescu |
i thought those were the nutteries we were digging aside. |
| 19:27 |
asciilifeform |
unrelated: if we can get bitcoind under 27M, whole orchestra fits into the 32M eeprom found in the 'tripmate' |
| 19:27 |
asciilifeform |
and i can do a 'tripmate' port |
| 19:27 |
asciilifeform |
!s tripmate |
| 19:27 |
assbot |
0 results for 'tripmate' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=tripmate |
| 19:27 |
mircea_popescu |
that'd be interesting. |
| 19:27 |
asciilifeform |
!s hootoo |
| 19:27 |
assbot |
0 results for 'hootoo' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=hootoo |
| 19:28 |
mircea_popescu |
mod6 ben_vulpes think a <27mb bitcoin could be ? |
| 19:28 |
asciilifeform |
--- and after we kill the orphans thing |
| 19:28 |
mircea_popescu |
right |
| 19:28 |
asciilifeform |
tripmate comes with 32M ram |
| 19:28 |
asciilifeform |
http://www.hootoo.com/hootoo-tripmate-nano-ht-tm02-wireless-portable-router.html |
| 19:29 |
assbot |
Hootoo HT-TM02 Tripmate Nano ... ( http://bit.ly/1OByGRW ) |
| 19:29 |
asciilifeform |
i have one here |
| 19:29 |
asciilifeform |
with serial port soldered in |
| 19:29 |
asciilifeform |
costs approx. same as pogo, for much poorer specs |
| 19:29 |
asciilifeform |
but actively produced |
| 19:29 |
asciilifeform |
and there are at least 3 chinese clones, roughly similar. |
| 19:29 |
asciilifeform |
100M/s ethernet, usb2 for storage, powered by yet another usb jack |
| 19:29 |
mircea_popescu |
yeah, it's a step in the right direction |
| 19:30 |
asciilifeform |
wireless soldered in though |
| 19:30 |
asciilifeform |
and can't be killed |
| 19:30 |
asciilifeform |
(part of cpu) |
| 19:30 |
mircea_popescu |
not sure this is a drawback. |
| 19:30 |
asciilifeform |
it was the single cheapest such box that i was able to locate |
| 19:30 |
mircea_popescu |
write your own wireless driver. |
| 19:30 |
asciilifeform |
if we must have the radio, let's ad-hoc to neighbors |
| 19:30 |
asciilifeform |
aha |
| 19:30 |
asciilifeform |
mircea_popescu has the right idea. |
| 19:30 |
mircea_popescu |
you were looking for horrible jobs... this is one. |
| 19:30 |
asciilifeform |
actually this is pretty easy |
| 19:31 |
mircea_popescu |
oh shutup |
| 19:31 |
* |
asciilifeform first paying reverse-engineering job was of a wifi chipset |
| 19:31 |
mircea_popescu |
i've not yet seen a good wifi driver. ever. |
| 19:31 |
asciilifeform |
'good' means what ? |
| 19:31 |
nubbins` |
i was looking at these hooto things the other day |
| 19:31 |
asciilifeform |
doesn't go down ? or 'can be proven not to fandango over arbitrary ram with magic packet incoming' |
| 19:31 |
nubbins` |
asciilifeform will try turdel tonite/tmrw, meatspace commitments |
| 19:31 |
asciilifeform |
nubbins`: gotcha |
| 19:31 |
mircea_popescu |
asciilifeform little of this, little of that... |
| 19:32 |
asciilifeform |
danielpbarron perhaps can try |
| 19:32 |
nubbins` |
you said it'll run from sd, ya? |
| 19:32 |
asciilifeform |
nubbins`: it ought to run from anywhere |
| 19:32 |
nubbins` |
nod |
| 19:32 |
asciilifeform |
nubbins`: because has baked in rootfs |
| 19:32 |
* |
nubbins` has one unbricked pogo left |
| 19:32 |
asciilifeform |
this is why i built it that way |
| 19:32 |
asciilifeform |
(this is -not- what we want in the field ver.) |
| 19:32 |
asciilifeform |
it wastes ram |
| 19:32 |
nubbins` |
one available, anyway |
| 19:33 |
nubbins` |
field ver, rootfs on ext storage |
| 19:33 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 191300 @ 0.00025386 = 48.5634 BTC [+] {2} |
| 19:33 |
nubbins` |
whatever that may be |
| 19:33 |
asciilifeform |
to try it, spin it up, then see what ip the box got, then telnet there |
| 19:33 |
asciilifeform |
drops straight into root shell... |
| 19:34 |
trinque |
https://makeupmag.com/wp-content/uploads/images/Rainn-open-head-2_400px.jpg |
| 19:34 |
assbot |
... ( http://bit.ly/1CeZLUr ) |
| 19:36 |
mircea_popescu |
http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-03-2015#1072493 << again, same deal. yes buffett came into the fold. this is uncontroversial, and i've said it too. |
| 19:36 |
assbot |
Logged on 26-03-2015 15:04:08; asciilifeform: anyway this should be enough lure for everybody. mega-lulzy tirade. if chumpatronic, it is of top quality and i take off my hat to the chumpatronicist. |
| 19:36 |
mircea_popescu |
but the jumps the guy makes... ? |
| 19:37 |
mircea_popescu |
http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-03-2015#1072495 << ftr, i get these on my name as well, tho i sure as hell never sent anyone that sort of bs legal request. |
| 19:37 |
assbot |
Logged on 26-03-2015 15:08:26; asciilifeform: 'In response to a legal request submitted to Google, we have removed 1 result(s) from this page.' |
| 19:38 |
mircea_popescu |
this is a purely eu piece of nonsense, however. |
| 19:39 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 136700 @ 0.00024502 = 33.4942 BTC [-] {2} |
| 19:39 |
mircea_popescu |
http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-03-2015#1072535 << no. i, for instance, was the one that forced the publication of the cables, which they were going to withhold, by publishing the hot archive of romanian-related ones. |
| 19:39 |
assbot |
Logged on 26-03-2015 15:32:26; asciilifeform: was i the only one here who actually read (for a time) mr s's (purported) www output (e.g., 'twitter', etc) ? |
| 19:42 |
mircea_popescu |
http://trilema.com/2011/primul/ << that's the discussion at the time, for the curious. |
| 19:42 |
assbot |
Primul! pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1OBAAC6 ) |
| 19:48 |
ben_vulpes |
<asciilifeform> no one should ever be connecting to these things except on his own lan during setup << myes, realized this in the shower this am. also question of usernames, keys... |
| 19:48 |
ben_vulpes |
KISS, as they say. |
| 19:48 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 112900 @ 0.00025621 = 28.9261 BTC [+] |
| 19:49 |
mircea_popescu |
in other news, chirilic tats! http://40.media.tumblr.com/8e539d05ca2b774489e14de7c21501a2/tumblr_nlbeffKDNj1qejludo1_1280.jpg |
| 19:49 |
assbot |
... ( http://bit.ly/1OBBezB ) |
| 19:49 |
mircea_popescu |
(protip : "onlyallfours" is a very bad idea, especially on hard floors. bursitis is at thing, if you give a horse shoes to protect hooves from hard pavement, might as well give the slavegirls kneepads.) |
| 19:50 |
* |
trinque goes for the tatted up look |
| 19:50 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 95450 @ 0.00025621 = 24.4552 BTC [+] |
| 19:54 |
mircea_popescu |
"Can you tell me what you're wanting to do with them? " ?<< lol nubbins` got teh usms curious nao |
| 19:54 |
mircea_popescu |
"you mean to tell me we could use these to run bitcoin nodes ourselves ?!?! FU NOT SELLING THEM NAO" |
| 19:55 |
BingoBoingo |
Ycombinator criticism cranks up http://pipeline.corante.com/archives/2015/03/26/tone_it_down.php |
| 19:55 |
assbot |
Tone It Down. In the Pipeline: ... ( http://bit.ly/1Cf3XDV ) |
| 19:55 |
asciilifeform |
ben_vulpes: aha. hence telnet without any authentication at all. |
| 19:56 |
mircea_popescu |
BingoBoingo lol anyone told him he's poor yet ? |
| 19:56 |
BingoBoingo |
He's well aware of it he seems |
| 19:57 |
mircea_popescu |
http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-03-2015#1072569 << the intrinsic problem with "look at all these people killed by tb, clearly tb can not be cured, if those people really had tb they wouldn't be walking around" is that well... tb is in fact a curable disease. |
| 19:57 |
assbot |
Logged on 26-03-2015 15:54:27; asciilifeform: 'After making public revelations critical of US policies, former CIA director William Colby was himself found dead in 1996 from a laughably improbable 'canoe accident'. US Congressman Wayne Owens was found dead in Israel in 2002 while investigating US corruption connections.' << 'best news is the history you didn't know' (mircea_popescu?) |
| 19:57 |
asciilifeform |
mircea_popescu: cables << what do those have to do with snowden ? |
| 19:57 |
mircea_popescu |
to imagine the usg, or for that matter any bureaucracy like a PERSON rather than like a disease is imo to be very, very wrong |
| 19:57 |
mircea_popescu |
and in a fundamental way. |
| 19:57 |
asciilifeform |
i mean, sachs thinks they're part of the same chumpatron, yes |
| 19:57 |
mircea_popescu |
asciilifeform from what i understand the theory we're discussing, they'd be all the same thing ? |
| 19:57 |
mircea_popescu |
right. |
| 19:59 |
asciilifeform |
"you mean to tell me we could use these to run bitcoin nodes ourselves ?!?!... << they easily could. not with the 20MB blocks, no, but with the 20MB (and whatever the hell else satanic strange) -enabled- and waiting to get flooded |
| 20:00 |
asciilifeform |
yes, they could. |
| 20:00 |
mircea_popescu |
back to the usg-tb thing : people like a congressman or an ex ciadirector are very poor examples, because a key part of the cure is maintaining very hard counter-terrorism measures on the ground. no colby, owens, petreus etc ever said "you will have to shoot me, and expect to fail unless you bring armored units, and to lose a score of operatives in any case." |
| 20:00 |
asciilifeform |
and they will have every living thing that reads reddit convinced that they invented it, too. |
| 20:01 |
mod6 |
<+mircea_popescu> mod6 ben_vulpes think a <27mb bitcoin could be ? << the current statically linked bitcoind is 5.6mb is that what you mean? |
| 20:01 |
mircea_popescu |
asciilifeform they will, to ~their detriment~. i'm not sure this is getting through, or that im doing a good job of explaining it, but in fact such victories are more expensive than the respective defeats they supposedly keep one from. |
| 20:01 |
mircea_popescu |
mod6 that's what i mean. |
| 20:01 |
asciilifeform |
mircea_popescu: i must confess that it is rather unclear to me where the detriment is coming from. |
| 20:02 |
mircea_popescu |
asciilifeform ok, prepare for a lengthy explanation then. |
| 20:02 |
asciilifeform |
if tomorrow a white van picks up the remaining 5000 (?) pogos, how do 'we win' ? |
| 20:02 |
* |
asciilifeform prepared |
| 20:02 |
mircea_popescu |
suppose you are in a room, with women. there's 100 of them. |
| 20:02 |
mircea_popescu |
they're all naked and dripping. suppose that someone for whatever stupid reason does not want you to fuck, because they imagine this is how you don't get to kill them. |
| 20:03 |
mircea_popescu |
now, the reason this is stupid, on multiple planes, we won't dsiscuss here, for space. |
| 20:03 |
mircea_popescu |
BUT! if the solution they come up with is to make an artefact which convinces 99% of the women sorted by stupidity that they shouldn't fuck you, |
| 20:03 |
mircea_popescu |
while also providing sufficient proof for 1% that in fact someone's trying to interfere |
| 20:03 |
mircea_popescu |
this artefact is actually your best bet. |
| 20:03 |
mircea_popescu |
that make sense ? |
| 20:04 |
asciilifeform |
it almost begins to |
| 20:04 |
mod6 |
huh, the statically linked binary is between 5.6 and 5.2mb. On my x86_64 builds it was often around 5.6mb. i just pulled up my paste from the debian x86_32 bit build (http://dpaste.com/1YQR1W7), here's 5.2mb. and yesterday on gentoo x86_32 it was 5.6mb. |
| 20:04 |
mircea_popescu |
so, filling reddit with apparently correct but actually provably falsifiable nonsense is not something that concerns me. |
| 20:04 |
asciilifeform |
but as i understand, it resolves to 'they have lost the mandate of heaven, will be defeated eventually' |
| 20:04 |
mircea_popescu |
it HELPS me. |
| 20:04 |
mircea_popescu |
one direction, yes. |
| 20:04 |
mircea_popescu |
the other direction being that you DO NOT WISH the attenntion of most of those women. |
| 20:04 |
mircea_popescu |
some smell bad. |
| 20:04 |
mircea_popescu |
some are ugly. |
| 20:04 |
mircea_popescu |
NOT having to turn them down personally is empowering for you. |
| 20:04 |
asciilifeform |
the nonsense on reddit does nothing - granted |
| 20:05 |
asciilifeform |
but let's address the van. |
| 20:05 |
mircea_popescu |
imagine a device that kept paul atreides from having to fight all the idiot freemen. |
| 20:05 |
mircea_popescu |
WORTH GOLD |
| 20:05 |
asciilifeform |
l0l |
| 20:05 |
mircea_popescu |
and there's more directions. |
| 20:05 |
mircea_popescu |
as to van : people like a congressman or an ex ciadirector are very poor examples, because a key part of the cure is maintaining very hard counter-terrorism measures on the ground. no colby, owens, petreus etc ever said "you will have to shoot me, and expect to fail unless you bring armored units, and to lose a score of operatives in any case." |
| 20:05 |
asciilifeform |
say van picks'em up. this gives us no useful 'smoking gun' beyond 'sorry chaps, they all sold out last night. no, can't tell ya who bought' |
| 20:06 |
mircea_popescu |
people who go "sure, whatever. make sure you have good AP and check the vests" are not the target of this sort of bs. |
| 20:07 |
mircea_popescu |
the weird thing about the situaiton of usg particularly, and of usg-likes (ie, most cancer) is that "everything is only intended to be used in the situations it wasn't designed to be used". |
| 20:07 |
mircea_popescu |
air superiority not useful in air engagement, but in political engagement sort of bs. |
| 20:07 |
mircea_popescu |
if air superiority comes to air engagement, walks away with so many broken arms it's not worth thinking about. |
| 20:08 |
mircea_popescu |
this is why all the ridiculous military failures of the us since vietnam : it built an army which is only useful as an army if NOT fighting. |
| 20:08 |
asciilifeform |
it is also, apparently, quite useful for rocketing unarmed men in their sleep |
| 20:09 |
asciilifeform |
and occupation of own cities (see boston) |
| 20:09 |
asciilifeform |
and many other interesting things which have yet to be demoed |
| 20:09 |
mircea_popescu |
sorta like a parade army. exactly what the italians had, right before the risorgimento. |
| 20:09 |
mircea_popescu |
right, but none of which are what an army is actually for. |
| 20:09 |
mircea_popescu |
the us army makes excellent police and screwdrivers. bully for it. |
| 20:10 |
asciilifeform |
the equipment (and selected men) steadily gets transfered to police (soon to be unified gendarmerie) forces |
| 20:10 |
asciilifeform |
who are actually trained for the kind of thing that it's all ultimately for |
| 20:10 |
mircea_popescu |
if your crazy genius lab consisted of shitty hot tweezers that made good sandwiches and very bad vacuum pumps that sang a capella i'd think you're uniquely ineffectual. |
| 20:10 |
asciilifeform |
see BingoBoingo's link |
| 20:11 |
mircea_popescu |
and if THAT were your lab, i wouldn't particularly be persuaded by "no tb cure could exist" type of arguments. |
| 20:11 |
mircea_popescu |
because what, if it did exist you'd lunge at it with your waffle making hot tweezers ? |
| 20:12 |
asciilifeform |
so, running with this line of thought, what might we expect 'the cure' to look like? |
| 20:12 |
mircea_popescu |
this, incidentally, is ALSO not controversial - virtually half of all material prepared by the bureaucracy states in one form or another that they're "not prepared for this type of challenge" |
| 20:12 |
mircea_popescu |
it's true : they haven't yet made a thing for something else to use for this. |
| 20:13 |
mircea_popescu |
the cure looks very much like you'd imagine : strong encryption, strong (mental especially) discipline, minimal fortification along the riverline. |
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| 20:14 |
mircea_popescu |
as long as it's clear to the da that a court showdown will end his career, you're practically unprosecutable, no matter what you do. as long as it's clear to "special ops" that there will be deaths, you're un-opable, no matter what you do. etc etc. |
| 20:14 |
mircea_popescu |
the entire construction has very speciffic dead points, and they're anything but secret. |
| 20:15 |
mircea_popescu |
swedish military doctrine, notably, is constructed around the core concept that they do not aim to defend the country, they aim to make invasion economically unfeasible. that is all. |
| 20:16 |
asciilifeform |
as long as it's clear to "special ops" that there will be deaths << this is possible if living in a bunker |
| 20:16 |
mircea_popescu |
this does not work against ideologically motivated adversaries, but it works against bureaucracies something splendid. there's always another fire to put out. |
| 20:16 |
asciilifeform |
if ambling about the terrain going to/from day jobs, etc. - they just quietly pick you up |
| 20:16 |
asciilifeform |
what is one to do, wear trotyl vest ? |
| 20:16 |
mircea_popescu |
asciilifeform no, this is possible if maintaining decent op security. |
| 20:16 |
mircea_popescu |
yes, if you must do that, wear vest might work. |
| 20:17 |
asciilifeform |
mircea_popescu: make invasion economically unfeasible << you may be thinking of the swiss |
| 20:17 |
mircea_popescu |
but for as long as the "how do they know it's not really an ambush ?" question has an obvious and correct answer, you already failed. |
| 20:17 |
mircea_popescu |
asciilifeform afaik swiss defend themselves by "neutrality" |
| 20:17 |
asciilifeform |
not exactly. |
| 20:18 |
mircea_popescu |
they installed a bunch of autobatteries and shitnow ? /me's not been keeping up. |
| 20:18 |
asciilifeform |
spent quite a bit during cold war |
| 20:18 |
asciilifeform |
not sure about now |
| 20:18 |
asciilifeform |
and trained decently. |
| 20:20 |
mircea_popescu |
<asciilifeform> if ambling about the terrain going to/from day jobs, etc. - they just quietly pick you up << a ro guy famously caught a coupla "secret agents" tailing him in traffic, beat them up (romanian tradition) took them to police station. |
| 20:21 |
mircea_popescu |
huge scandal ensued. |
| 20:21 |
asciilifeform |
http://cs.brown.edu/~sk/Personal/Books/McPhee-Place-Concorde-Suisse << book |
| 20:21 |
asciilifeform |
on .ch army org |
| 20:21 |
asciilifeform |
^ pretty good |
| 20:21 |
mircea_popescu |
cost teh ro govt millions to try and wash it up, eventually was more or less forgotten. but finding agents willing to tail that guy was difficult for years after. |
| 20:22 |
asciilifeform |
mircea_popescu: that'd work about as well here as it would in peak nazi de |
| 20:22 |
mircea_popescu |
it would work splendidly. |
| 20:22 |
asciilifeform |
they'd demolish the street where you stood. |
| 20:22 |
mircea_popescu |
good. |
| 20:22 |
mircea_popescu |
there's going to be a demolished street bearing your name. |
| 20:22 |
asciilifeform |
we in fact saw this play out |
| 20:22 |
asciilifeform |
in boston |
| 20:22 |
mircea_popescu |
exactly. |
| 20:22 |
asciilifeform |
and what result ? |
| 20:22 |
mircea_popescu |
major losses for teh usg. |
| 20:23 |
asciilifeform |
i dun see it. |
| 20:23 |
mircea_popescu |
maybe our optics differ. |
| 20:23 |
asciilifeform |
they evidently must |
| 20:23 |
mircea_popescu |
maybe it's because you're trying to use some sort of subjective scoring it occurs to me |
| 20:23 |
mircea_popescu |
ie, "what the participant thinks happens matters". |
| 20:23 |
asciilifeform |
not exactly |
| 20:23 |
mircea_popescu |
so in this sense, a junkie managing to score a hit is in fact +ev. |
| 20:24 |
mircea_popescu |
he will act as if he is, yes. but... he's not. |
| 20:24 |
asciilifeform |
say i'm a generic schmuck living in berlin in march, this day in '43 |
| 20:24 |
trinque |
isn't the demolished street only helpful if there are onlookers who care? |
| 20:24 |
asciilifeform |
it looks mostly normal |
| 20:24 |
mircea_popescu |
trinque no. the street was in fact demolished. |
| 20:24 |
asciilifeform |
but stalingrad happened |
| 20:24 |
asciilifeform |
show me the stalingrad |
| 20:24 |
trinque |
mircea_popescu: right, but I recall joe stack day |
| 20:24 |
trinque |
and the ratio of people reacting sanely to not |
| 20:24 |
mircea_popescu |
trinque good for you. not particularly relevant to him. |
| 20:24 |
mircea_popescu |
asciilifeform i dun follow. |
| 20:24 |
trinque |
maybe the ratio's irrelevant |
| 20:25 |
asciilifeform |
where are the -real- cracks in the reich |
| 20:25 |
mircea_popescu |
they had to demolish a street ? |
| 20:25 |
asciilifeform |
and what, they are to go broke from paving a street? |
| 20:25 |
mircea_popescu |
i can trivially send pizza to the "secret" subsecretary of state for whatever, and he's stuck wondering how i know ? |
| 20:25 |
mircea_popescu |
yes, actually. |
| 20:26 |
asciilifeform |
the damage from tsarnavev & tsarnaev was roughly comparable to a small 'pile up' wreck on the highway. |
| 20:26 |
asciilifeform |
not even rounding error. |
| 20:26 |
mircea_popescu |
there is no undertaking more expensive than that pavement job. |
| 20:26 |
asciilifeform |
so perhaps 'demolished a street' is exaggerated |
| 20:26 |
mircea_popescu |
i disagree. |
| 20:27 |
mircea_popescu |
let's take the cheapest way out. familiar wit hthe guy whose name history has lost (:P) that set fire to the whatever so his name may be remembered ? |
| 20:27 |
asciilifeform |
herostratus aha |
| 20:27 |
asciilifeform |
that worked once. |
| 20:27 |
asciilifeform |
(exactly once) |
| 20:27 |
mircea_popescu |
familiar with the (afaik also uncontroversial) theory that the us is a nation of narcisists ? |
| 20:28 |
asciilifeform |
aha |
| 20:28 |
mircea_popescu |
does it seem to you a reasonable plan to demolish streets in this atmosphere ? |
| 20:28 |
asciilifeform |
sure, when you're working with -cowardly- and -imbecilic- narcissists |
| 20:28 |
mircea_popescu |
you think that matters ? |
| 20:28 |
trinque |
seems easy to convince the narcissist it's "not him" |
| 20:28 |
trinque |
would never be him |
| 20:28 |
trinque |
because he's not one of "those people" |
| 20:28 |
asciilifeform |
who take three steps and (fail to) blow (themselves) up with a (fake) rocket sold to them by usg. |
| 20:29 |
mircea_popescu |
trinque understand something : if one million people becomes 1% more likely to lie on their taxes, |
| 20:29 |
mircea_popescu |
the government has lost 3-4% of its revenue. |
| 20:29 |
asciilifeform |
because 'friend of 30 years' vouched for the broker |
| 20:29 |
mircea_popescu |
asciilifeform you're neglecting the only important thing here, which is the actual fine points of the relationship between the abused wife and her husband. |
| 20:29 |
asciilifeform |
mircea_popescu: eh no. they take it out of the captive tax cows - sales, shrinkflation, outright moneyprinter |
| 20:29 |
mircea_popescu |
that does not work. |
| 20:30 |
mircea_popescu |
for a government to survive, it must actually have support. |
| 20:30 |
asciilifeform |
rock solid support from the cattle |
| 20:30 |
trinque |
mircea_popescu: there are militia groups around calling themselves "three percenters" |
| 20:30 |
mircea_popescu |
the fake shows of support (you are charlie, really ?) do not help. |
| 20:30 |
trinque |
that kind of thing? |
| 20:30 |
mircea_popescu |
trinque no particular kind of thing. |
| 20:30 |
asciilifeform |
trinque: the 'militia' thing is solid usg provocateurism from day one |
| 20:30 |
asciilifeform |
trinque: judging by the results |
| 20:30 |
mircea_popescu |
if anyone is curious enough, please to read the gorbachev diaries after his 87 visit in romania. |
| 20:31 |
mircea_popescu |
very short story here : ceausescu made old style, stalinist-like show of how supported he is |
| 20:31 |
mircea_popescu |
trying to finesse himself into a senior adviser role for gorby |
| 20:31 |
mircea_popescu |
this amused the russian to no end. |
| 20:32 |
mircea_popescu |
but that aside, it all boils down to the ancient (here and iirc on trilema too) "what's the devil have to pay you to love him" thing. |
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| 20:33 |
asciilifeform |
the sovblok fell down with nato holding a seemingly soft (in reality not so much) cushion under its arse as it fell |
| 20:33 |
asciilifeform |
nobody is playing that role for usg |
| 20:33 |
mircea_popescu |
aha |
| 20:33 |
asciilifeform |
the buggers know that 'it'll be their necks' |
| 20:33 |
asciilifeform |
in the way that gorby didn't |
| 20:33 |
mircea_popescu |
what does their knowledge matter ? |
| 20:33 |
mircea_popescu |
they know they suck, now. |
| 20:33 |
mircea_popescu |
what can they do ? |
| 20:33 |
mircea_popescu |
take a simple thing : they all know ms is shit. |
| 20:33 |
mircea_popescu |
what can any one do to fix this ? |
| 20:33 |
mircea_popescu |
still using it. |
| 20:34 |
mircea_popescu |
still shit. |
| 20:34 |
mircea_popescu |
and i can send them pizza, and they have to wonder how i know. |
| 20:34 |
mircea_popescu |
and they go to work... and there it is. MICROSOFT BOOTING NAO. |
| 20:34 |
mircea_popescu |
and yet... what can they do ? |
| 20:34 |
asciilifeform |
it 'works' for them in the sense that no nsa-crypto directorate leaks. no meaningful cia leaks. perhaps they use 'underwood' typewriters instead of microshit ? |
| 20:34 |
mircea_popescu |
part of a system is part of a system is part of a system. |
| 20:34 |
asciilifeform |
damned if i know. but it 'works' |
| 20:34 |
mircea_popescu |
asciilifeform if it didn't how'd you know ? |
| 20:35 |
mircea_popescu |
the german public didn't know about the enigma leaks. |
| 20:35 |
asciilifeform |
if it didn't in the same sense of 'didn't' as elsewhere in usg, i would know |
| 20:35 |
asciilifeform |
or at least suspect |
| 20:35 |
mircea_popescu |
the fact that you don't is perhaps one of the most perplexing characteristics of your otherwise amply perplexing persona. |
| 20:35 |
mircea_popescu |
at least in my head. |
| 20:36 |
asciilifeform |
that don't what |
| 20:36 |
* |
asciilifeform even more confused |
| 20:36 |
mircea_popescu |
at least suspect. |
| 20:36 |
asciilifeform |
well admittedly, i suspect many things |
| 20:36 |
mircea_popescu |
but not this ? |
| 20:36 |
asciilifeform |
but some with better grounding than others |
| 20:36 |
asciilifeform |
let's say herr buffet's winblows machine, where he keeps tabs with his lizard commander, was owned. |
| 20:37 |
mircea_popescu |
but this strawman is in no case how it'd work is it. |
| 20:37 |
asciilifeform |
there is not a public display of this. ergo 'pwner' did not see it fit to do this. |
| 20:37 |
mircea_popescu |
uh. |
| 20:37 |
mircea_popescu |
let's have a better model. |
| 20:37 |
nubbins` |
re: field pogos |
| 20:37 |
asciilifeform |
nubbins`: aha? |
| 20:38 |
nubbins` |
what's the LED gonna do for two weeks while the thing downloads and indexes blocks? 8) |
| 20:38 |
asciilifeform |
nubbins`: blink. |
| 20:38 |
trinque |
not trying to derail what's an excellent convo without me; is for example the ease with which us politicians are bought by *any* paying interest relevant here? |
| 20:38 |
nubbins` |
but that's what a bricked pogo does as well |
| 20:39 |
asciilifeform |
nubbins`: that's because u-boot sets it a'blinking by default |
| 20:39 |
asciilifeform |
nubbins`: easily fixed |
| 20:39 |
nubbins` |
a-haa |
| 20:39 |
trinque |
seems the whole military side can't be considered in absence of the side which can't form one coherent thought |
| 20:39 |
nubbins` |
i'm just musing about indications of progress |
| 20:39 |
nubbins` |
a blink isn't communicating much |
| 20:39 |
trinque |
what admittedly worries me is an event where the military side detaches from the braindead side entirely |
| 20:39 |
trinque |
not sure what happens after that |
| 20:39 |
mircea_popescu |
so, i am a famously grandiose master of women. and a junior girl aspiring one day to the grandiose status of being my slave goes with me and some of the girls to the opera. lights go off, the girls take off their tops all matter-of-course like. she follows suit. why ? and then, afterwards, we discuss it over coffee and cookies. they are enamoured with it. so is she. why ? her "tabs" haven't been leaked, right ? what if |
| 20:39 |
mircea_popescu |
the stripping is something we agreed aforehand to do just to see what her reaction is ? |
| 20:39 |
mircea_popescu |
better model ^ |
| 20:40 |
mircea_popescu |
trinque honestly, this is why i believe the arming of police units with military stock is even done. it makes sense from a "after the end" perspective : you want two mostly balanced forces, because that's your best chance at more or less peaceful stability. |
| 20:40 |
trinque |
yes exactly that |
| 20:41 |
mircea_popescu |
note how it follows quite exactly the cure blueprint discussed above. |
| 20:41 |
jurov |
;;later tell nubbins` key added |
| 20:41 |
gribble |
The operation succeeded. |
| 20:41 |
nubbins` |
tyvm! |
| 20:42 |
asciilifeform |
mircea_popescu: really it is done to make the idea of meaningful (as opposed to merely suicidal; so they hose off the pavement & everybody goes back to work) resistance less and less thinkable |
| 20:42 |
asciilifeform |
that robot was publicly displayed for a reason |
| 20:42 |
mircea_popescu |
i have mydoubts. |
| 20:42 |
* |
nubbins` sends mail, crosses digits |
| 20:42 |
mircea_popescu |
the notion that "sucidal resistence" is deterring anyone has had so much debunking recently... |
| 20:43 |
nubbins` |
ehh they used the robot because enough of the cops were scared enough |
| 20:43 |
mircea_popescu |
^ |
| 20:43 |
mircea_popescu |
it sends exactly the opposite message. |
| 20:43 |
nubbins` |
there's this famous guy here, leo crockwell. put a gun to his sister's head a few years ago |
| 20:43 |
mircea_popescu |
we discussed some time ago the problem with decimation, re shot cops. |
| 20:43 |
nubbins` |
cops, having dealt with (and been embarassed by) the guy in the past, descend |
| 20:43 |
nubbins` |
he barricades self, cops bring out robot. |
| 20:43 |
asciilifeform |
the robot is a logical step to the escalation of usg police practice |
| 20:43 |
asciilifeform |
used to be they'd politely ask you to come to the station |
| 20:44 |
asciilifeform |
today, breaking down door at 3am and barrel in your mouth is NORMAL |
| 20:44 |
mircea_popescu |
just like the cataphract is a logical step to the escalation of ... THE END OF FEUDALISM! |
| 20:44 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35725 @ 0.00025621 = 9.1531 BTC [+] |
| 20:44 |
jurov |
nubbins`: gpg: invalid dash escaped line: -Wno-invalid-offsetof -Wformat $(DEBUGFLAGS) $(DEFS) $(INCLUDEPATHS)\n |
| 20:44 |
jurov |
gpg: BAD signature from "Jonathan E. Keefe <jonkeefe@gmail.com>" [unknown] |
| 20:44 |
nubbins` |
he shoots at robot, cops try smoke bombs, then thousands of gallons of water from fire hoses (!!!) |
| 20:44 |
nubbins` |
guy escapes out window during a shift change and hitchhikes back to town undetected. |
| 20:44 |
mircea_popescu |
ahahahaha |
| 20:44 |
nubbins` |
picked up buying smokes 3 hours later. |
| 20:44 |
mircea_popescu |
shift changes :D |
| 20:45 |
jurov |
looks like outlook wordwrapped or otherwise mutilated it |
| 20:45 |
nubbins` |
jurov gmail but same fate regardless. sec |
| 20:45 |
asciilifeform |
^ |
| 20:45 |
nubbins` |
there you go |
| 20:45 |
nubbins` |
anyway the guy then fires like 5 public defenders, goes on to represent himself |
| 20:46 |
nubbins` |
makes the province spend countless tens of thousands |
| 20:46 |
nubbins` |
i think they're making a movie about him now. |
| 20:46 |
jurov |
same error. |
| 20:46 |
nubbins` |
wat! "plain text mode" |
| 20:46 |
mircea_popescu |
asciilifeform let's approach this in perhaps a more comprehensible set of terms. end of the world situation, you're behind a wall of sand sacks, enemy behind another. you got two guys left with you, was a full regiment at some point. enemy, unknown. |
| 20:47 |
mircea_popescu |
that the enemy starts suddenly firing like mad is not indicative of his strength. for one thing, bullets are scarce. for the other thing, fear is the end of this game. |
| 20:47 |
jurov |
nubbins`: a) send to yourself, check. b) leave text aempty and attach known good clearsigned stuff as .txt |
| 20:48 |
asciilifeform |
i don't see the fear component here |
| 20:48 |
mircea_popescu |
or in another approach, "asciilifeform:'The laughable CIA story we are asked to swallow, is that the US regime is doing zero against Omidyar, " << we are similarly asked to believe the cia story that the us is doing zero against saudi arabia, which... you know ? or whoever else off a long list. they're not doing zero, they're doing "their best", which is what it is. |
| 20:48 |
mircea_popescu |
oft evaluates to zero. |
| 20:48 |
nubbins` |
ooo bad sig, looky loo. sec. |
| 20:49 |
asciilifeform |
they aren't rolling out the robots because they fear. but to save cost of a few stormtroopers' life insurance |
| 20:49 |
mircea_popescu |
asciilifeform you don't see the fear component ? recall teh discussion re buses and the fate of war in afghanistan ? |
| 20:49 |
asciilifeform |
and because robot maker (i know exactly who makes it) has an ear in congress |
| 20:49 |
mircea_popescu |
these all are the why in the exact sense girl you picked up in a club stiff drunk is havin sex with you because she liked your record collection and loves your hair |
| 20:49 |
nubbins` |
yeah gmail is mangling it, even in plain text |
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| 20:49 |
mircea_popescu |
not because she went to a club and got herself stiff drunk to be fucked. |
| 20:50 |
mircea_popescu |
nubbins` check it out, google can't computer! |
| 20:50 |
asciilifeform |
and wai wat, omidyar - or at least his money - could be magicked away in a single hour if usg willed it. |
| 20:50 |
mircea_popescu |
orly ? |
| 20:50 |
mircea_popescu |
at what cost ? |
| 20:50 |
asciilifeform |
big fat deal, flip some bits |
| 20:50 |
mircea_popescu |
not how this works. |
| 20:50 |
asciilifeform |
they do it to russians all the time |
| 20:50 |
nubbins` |
jurov sent |
| 20:51 |
mircea_popescu |
not quite. |
| 20:51 |
jurov |
nubbins`: yup, there |
| 20:52 |
nubbins` |
woo |
| 20:52 |
nubbins` |
my first contrib |
| 20:52 |
jurov |
no shares for ya, sadly |
| 20:52 |
mircea_popescu |
cheers! |
| 20:52 |
asciilifeform |
congrats nubbins` |
| 20:52 |
nubbins` |
lel oops no subject |
| 20:53 |
mircea_popescu |
jurov notice the very heavy bias for she-stuff in b-a ? womanly job gets shares, manly job gets bupkiss |
| 20:53 |
nubbins` |
w/e, it'll get picked up in the monthly roundup :D |
| 20:53 |
mircea_popescu |
!ban nubbins` monsanto shill |
| 20:53 |
nubbins` |
noway dude, do you even log? no monsanto in twodogland |
| 20:53 |
asciilifeform |
l0l |
| 20:53 |
mircea_popescu |
twodog is such a great name. |
| 20:53 |
mircea_popescu |
who invented it, herbi ? |
| 20:53 |
BingoBoingo |
Two more stories from Stluz today http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/govt-and-politics/prosecutor-brooklyn-ill-police-mishandled-evidence-and-towed-cars-for/article_09f92780-0e39-5cba-a677-9f02529ab047.html http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/crime-and-courts/man-whose-death-was-ruled-a-suicide-was-actually-killed/article_a95cfc4a-9f96-5ab3-9f0c-00c105ad3569.html |
| 20:54 |
mircea_popescu |
fluffypony ? |
| 20:54 |
mircea_popescu |
or was it dub ? |
| 20:54 |
nubbins` |
i thought it was you! |
| 20:54 |
nubbins` |
!s twodogland |
| 20:54 |
assbot |
4 results for 'twodogland' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=twodogland |
| 20:54 |
nubbins` |
wow i really ran with that hey |
| 20:54 |
mircea_popescu |
lol |
| 20:55 |
nubbins` |
it stays with me |
| 20:55 |
mircea_popescu |
http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-09-2014#824310 loller |
| 20:55 |
assbot |
Logged on 10-09-2014 13:22:53; mircea_popescu: you mean Two Dogs isn't originally populated by dogs ? |
| 20:55 |
mircea_popescu |
but it's such a great name. |
| 20:55 |
nubbins` |
heh |
| 20:55 |
mircea_popescu |
http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-02-2014#479584 << i think it all started here. |
| 20:55 |
assbot |
Logged on 04-02-2014 20:36:16; dub: why is part of canukistan named after two dogs? |
| 20:55 |
nubbins` |
ahahaha |
| 20:56 |
nubbins` |
"why is this bird made out of KFC?" |
| 20:56 |
mircea_popescu |
:D |
| 20:56 |
mircea_popescu |
we dub it The Infringer |
| 20:56 |
mircea_popescu |
because it naturally infringes the kfc ip. |
| 20:57 |
nubbins` |
mcdonald's sues the humble potato after it is revealed it's just a bunch of goddamn fries all stuck together |
| 20:57 |
mircea_popescu |
:D |
| 20:57 |
nubbins` |
why are all these people spamming the blockchain with bitcoin transactions? |
| 20:58 |
nubbins` |
etc |
| 20:58 |
nubbins` |
heh |
| 20:58 |
jurov |
myeah nubs did the book too "dogs of newfoundland and labrador" or such |
| 20:58 |
mircea_popescu |
also coca-cola sues diageo over patent-infringing side effects. |
| 20:58 |
nubbins` |
boids, not dogs! |
| 20:58 |
nubbins` |
two dogs is a pamphlet at best |
| 20:58 |
mircea_popescu |
"it's called CHRISTMAS CHEER GOD DAMNED IT!" |
| 20:58 |
nubbins` |
heh |
| 20:59 |
jurov |
;;ud boid |
| 20:59 |
gribble |
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=boid | Boid is an anagram for the phrase "blacked out in a ditch." The last two letters can be substituted for any number of different things, such as boib or boor (blacked ... |
| 20:59 |
mircea_popescu |
jurov it's east side "bird" |
| 20:59 |
nubbins` |
wtf urban dict |
| 20:59 |
nubbins` |
birds! |
| 20:59 |
jurov |
;;ud boidage |
| 20:59 |
gribble |
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=boidage | boibian · boible · BOIBO · boi boi · Boibrucer · Boibs · boic · Boice · boicee · boich · boichat · boichie · Boichika · Boichuk · boid · boidage · boidar · boid/boyd ... |
| 20:59 |
mircea_popescu |
you know that accent mobsters / kids in poor neighbourhood have in 30s, 40s and some 50s movies ? |
| 21:01 |
mircea_popescu |
http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-03-2015#1072601 << i am especially suspicious of this sort of claim. it's essentially a stereotype and an appeal to ignorance rolled into a mcdonald nugget. |
| 21:01 |
assbot |
Logged on 26-03-2015 16:14:42; asciilifeform: 'As they say, 'you cannot make these things up', the Americans are so ridiculously obvious as they conduct criminal deceptions. The CIA's 'Watergate' scheme to destroy Richard Nixon 40 years ago, was so successfully with the fake 'brave reporter' Woodward, that the CIA even decided to use Woodward's junior partner as a fake 'brave reporter' along with Greenwald in 'Operation Fake Dissident Snowden'.' |
| 21:01 |
mircea_popescu |
"those jews are so obvious! after killing christ, they're now blabla" |
| 21:01 |
asciilifeform |
author's style, yes |
| 21:01 |
asciilifeform |
but claim - testable |
| 21:02 |
mircea_popescu |
only if restated. |
| 21:02 |
mircea_popescu |
a claim that's tested in a restated from should be divorced from the original. |
| 21:02 |
asciilifeform |
he's talking about carl bernstein |
| 21:03 |
mircea_popescu |
no matter. |
| 21:03 |
asciilifeform |
http://www.carlbernstein.com << that one |
| 21:03 |
assbot |
Carl Bernstein ... ( http://bit.ly/1FOesBX ) |
| 21:03 |
mircea_popescu |
"asciilifeform: 'Assange and Snowden are cold or actively insulting and hostile << mp has insulted women, gays, black people and social workers. clearly he's a fake cia mp pretending to be the real mp. |
| 21:03 |
mircea_popescu |
logic wtf. |
| 21:04 |
asciilifeform |
i think he means 'he led the nsa device catalogue leaker to his anthill death' |
| |
↖ |
| 21:04 |
mircea_popescu |
maybe the real snowden is actually idiosyncratic. ya think this is possible ? "nobody did this, except this one guy, but he couldn't have done it because his behaviour is inconsistent" |
| 21:04 |
mircea_popescu |
uh... |
| 21:04 |
mircea_popescu |
asciilifeform at some point a decent argument will be constructable that you "led" some idiot to his death, too. because you know, used cardano after toasting it in pizza oven. |
| 21:04 |
asciilifeform |
it probably will be said, yes |
| 21:05 |
asciilifeform |
but if it appears to happen to every user, then it will be quite analogous to mr s |
| 21:05 |
mircea_popescu |
heck, kakobrekla heard a mouthful over his "leading derps into trying to steal from other bettors" or what was it, the bitbet scam thing. |
| 21:05 |
* |
asciilifeform recalls |
| 21:06 |
BingoBoingo |
<asciilifeform> i think he means 'he led the nsa device catalogue leaker to his anthill death' << The part of citizenfour filmed in Russia seems to support this hypothesis |
| 21:07 |
mircea_popescu |
i dunno... |
| 21:08 |
nubbins` |
"doc, you can't write everything in bold. bold is for important st..." "GOD DAMMIT IT'S ALL IMPORTANT" |
| 21:12 |
mircea_popescu |
http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-03-2015#1072613 << anyway, this only works if one's willing to arrange the definition of tangible and interest after the fact. |
| 21:12 |
assbot |
Logged on 26-03-2015 17:21:02; asciilifeform: that is, why not a single one of the 'leaks' actually damaged any tangible lizard interest |
| 21:12 |
mircea_popescu |
"this bomb did nothing, inasmuch as it didn't bring down any of the currently standing buildings" |
| 21:12 |
mircea_popescu |
by this standard, the wtc bombing also did nothing. |
| 21:12 |
asciilifeform |
something like ted turner turning tricks in a bangkok gay bar to buy a bowl of rice every other day - would count |
| 21:12 |
asciilifeform |
or a glassed davos |
| 21:12 |
mircea_popescu |
sure, we could even argue the collapse was inevitable, and while the particular incident gives it flavour, the us was going to soviet union all over itself anyway. |
| 21:13 |
mircea_popescu |
an old man is not going to be a subsistence prostitute. ever. |
| 21:13 |
mircea_popescu |
that's a twelve year old trick. |
| 21:13 |
asciilifeform |
then begging |
| 21:13 |
mircea_popescu |
this by definition : the same thing that'd make you buy hisass (ie, his "personal brand") ensures he has an alternative, however minimal. |
| 21:13 |
mircea_popescu |
like you know, sitting bull in that circus act. |
| 21:15 |
mircea_popescu |
;;ud yfw |
| 21:15 |
gribble |
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=yfw | yfw you realize every one of the previous definitions are wrong ... "Hey YFW, been trying to call you all day" (A substitute for the friendly form of 'bitch'.) Or.. |
| 21:15 |
mircea_popescu |
http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-03-2015#1072618 << oddly enough, mp has been doing very little code writing o.O |
| 21:15 |
assbot |
Logged on 26-03-2015 17:22:12; nubbins`: yfw 0.5.3 has a hidden backdoor and both satoshi and mp are complicit! |
| 21:15 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 45950 @ 0.00025483 = 11.7094 BTC [-] |
| 21:16 |
mircea_popescu |
http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-03-2015#1072621 << i disagree with this, ftr. it was atrocious. |
| 21:16 |
assbot |
Logged on 26-03-2015 17:23:52; nubbins`: anyway, you're correct in that nothing leaked was particularly damaging to the lizards |
| 21:16 |
mircea_popescu |
i've not seen anything this damaging to the us foreign interests in the history of the us. |
| 21:16 |
mircea_popescu |
and for all the "no lizard interest" high horse : take the cisco collapse. |
| 21:17 |
mircea_popescu |
there's numerous examples of very similar things. |
| 21:17 |
nubbins` |
urbandict fail again |
| 21:17 |
mircea_popescu |
the us has no friends today, principally, because of snowden. |
| 21:17 |
nubbins` |
yfw you realize what yfw means |
| 21:17 |
mircea_popescu |
nubbins` i got it from context, "your face when |
| 21:18 |
mircea_popescu |
http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-03-2015#1072626 << yes, but nothing he couldn't (and in all likelyhood didn't) obtain by wikipedia trolling. |
| 21:18 |
assbot |
Logged on 26-03-2015 17:25:05; asciilifeform: sachs also lists names, times, places of folks 'suicided' by usg, with reasons. |
| 21:19 |
asciilifeform |
is why i said 'connected dots' not 'new leak' |
| 21:19 |
mircea_popescu |
http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-03-2015#1072639 << using the word "this" in your sentence exposes you to this situation where your line is burried in a different discussion and evaluated while im in the middle of a yet another different discussion, producing a "wut ?" as sole output. |
| 21:19 |
assbot |
Logged on 26-03-2015 17:31:31; felipelalli: mircea_popescu: thank you so much. But I guess this is not true on OTC WoT? Only in assbot, right? |
| 21:20 |
mircea_popescu |
asciilifeform let me put it this way : given a collection of dots, why would anyone care on the graphs built upon them by anyone not in their wot ? you know this guy ? |
| 21:21 |
asciilifeform |
mircea_popescu: nope, he fell from mars. but echoed certain trains of thought that i heretofore encountered only in own head. hence linked. |
| 21:21 |
asciilifeform |
also fella has a net presence vastly smaller than what one expects even a very modest crackpot |
| 21:22 |
TomServo |
ey folks, got my shipment today http://i.imgur.com/13p8tXK.jpg :D |
| 21:22 |
assbot |
... ( http://bit.ly/1FOiNoK ) |
| 21:22 |
mircea_popescu |
to my head, the phrase aptly describes that piece which goes "contains ad admixture of true and trite, but what isn't trite also isn't true" |
| 21:22 |
mircea_popescu |
nice TomServo |
| 21:23 |
TomServo |
unfortunately due to poor ebay skills my cp2102 arrive... 'sometime' in april |
| 21:23 |
nubbins` |
heh |
| 21:24 |
nubbins` |
wd |
| 21:25 |
TomServo |
there's been so many links flying around. What's the quickest way to defile one of these after cracking it open? |
| 21:25 |
asciilifeform |
!up tris |
| 21:25 |
asciilifeform |
TomServo: you don't have to solder the serial port if you're careful |
| 21:27 |
mircea_popescu |
TomServo sorta in the middle here, we're just about to have danielpbarron write a noobs manual |
| 21:27 |
mircea_popescu |
but the thing stil lin flux |
| 21:27 |
mircea_popescu |
prolly stuff in his manual as is closest to what you want |
| 21:27 |
decimation |
re: snowden etc. < I think it's hilarious that folks see conspiracy when redditard volunteer would do |
| 21:27 |
asciilifeform |
decimation: the state-controlled media fellates him 24/7 |
| 21:28 |
mircea_popescu |
decimation if nothing else, he has done A LOT to measure the power of the entire "crowd source" "power of the people" etc thing. |
| 21:28 |
jurov |
mod6 ben_vulpes where will the manual go? i can put a wiki somewhere |
| 21:28 |
mircea_popescu |
THIS is the best angle for him being a conspiraci, a sort of mike hearn of the cia. |
| 21:28 |
mircea_popescu |
jurov not best just re-use b-a wiki ? |
| 21:28 |
mircea_popescu |
too many wikis... |
| 21:28 |
asciilifeform |
and every time he opens mouth, what comes out? 'brave journalists', 'use tor!', etc |
| 21:28 |
mircea_popescu |
asciilifeform he actually says use gpg. |
| 21:29 |
jurov |
kk mircea |
| 21:29 |
mircea_popescu |
he very guardedly recomends tor. |
| 21:29 |
* |
asciilifeform greps |
| 21:29 |
mircea_popescu |
and most of that is guardian rewriting what he actually said. |
| 21:29 |
decimation |
re: greewald being on usg payroll < is also hilarious |
| 21:29 |
asciilifeform |
does s ever -mention- pgp? |
| 21:29 |
mircea_popescu |
(now, that guardian has all through had a very strong "dope it" agenda is true, and quite visible |
| 21:29 |
decimation |
the man has the operational acumen of a wet noodle |
| 21:29 |
mircea_popescu |
asciilifeform yes. pretty much every single speech. |
| 21:29 |
asciilifeform |
or merely the fact that one of the documents (not necessarily his) did so |
| 21:29 |
mircea_popescu |
pretty.much.every.single.speech. |
| 21:30 |
mircea_popescu |
decimation one being inept is almost a requirement for usg payroll. |
| 21:30 |
decimation |
mircea_popescu: snowden does discredit 'crowdsourcing' |
| 21:30 |
mircea_popescu |
decimation not sure if discredit per se, but it does illustrate its (long suspected) limitations. |
| 21:30 |
mircea_popescu |
maddox's "dancing party" thing much more adequate for the demo. |
| 21:30 |
decimation |
usg has a small number of non-inept employees |
| 21:31 |
decimation |
http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/architect-of-cias-drone-campaign-to-leave-post-in-watershed-moment-for-agency/2015/03/25/261289ec-d2f7-11e4-ab77-9646eea6a4c7_story.html < this is probably what happens to them |
| 21:31 |
assbot |
CIA official who directed hunt for bin Laden is being removed from post - The Washington Post ... ( http://bit.ly/1FOkH8O ) |
| 21:31 |
mircea_popescu |
yeah, because everyone likes to say "present company excluded". |
| 21:31 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 314392 @ 0.0002502 = 78.6609 BTC [-] {2} |
| 21:31 |
asciilifeform |
l0l, this is prelude to death |
| 21:31 |
mircea_popescu |
decimation let me guess, he tried to wreck by having the trains overloaded so they will run the tracks down faster ? |
| 21:31 |
asciilifeform |
just as they 'training accidented' the -whole fucking crew- |
| 21:31 |
decimation |
heh he didn't die |
| 21:32 |
mircea_popescu |
asciilifeform do you see the costs for THAT yet alf ? |
| 21:32 |
mircea_popescu |
perhaps in the "we can't send anyone to tikrit" ? |
| 21:32 |
decimation |
he was 'promoted' to a 'non-in-charge-of-life-and-death decisions' post |
| 21:32 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 93000 @ 0.00024486 = 22.772 BTC [-] |
| 21:32 |
mircea_popescu |
is that a cost you look for and quantify ? |
| 21:32 |
decimation |
re: costs < yes, usg is cost constrained, but note that nearly all of it is 'self-imposed damage' |
| 21:33 |
mircea_popescu |
well sure, in the sense someone raping himself with a cactus is "self-imposedly damaging his anus" |
| 21:33 |
mircea_popescu |
cactus is still spiked. |
| 21:33 |
decimation |
usg could fire 90% of its staff, rationalize its tax system, and start colonizing the world |
| 21:33 |
decimation |
but the cactus seemed like a better option |
| 21:34 |
mircea_popescu |
"could" |
| 21:34 |
decimation |
note that snowden saw himself as far less inept than his colleages, and he was probably right |
| 21:35 |
mircea_popescu |
wife could stop being a fat bitch and husband could stop ejaculating early and watching the game. |
| 21:35 |
mircea_popescu |
us sec could register its wot key with mpex, us fed could announce plans for bitcoin-convertibility of usg, |
| 21:36 |
mircea_popescu |
so many coulds so little brainz. |
| 21:36 |
BingoBoingo |
<asciilifeform> does s ever -mention- pgp? << Snowden mentions GPG all of the time, Greenwald mentions tor all of the time |
| 21:36 |
decimation |
The effects on most other child outcomes, which include drug consumption, scholastic performance, and skills, can usually be bounded to a tight interval around zero. ^ http://www.arnoldkling.com/blog/the-null-hypothesis-for-income-and-wealth/ |
| 21:36 |
assbot |
The Null Hypothesis for Income and Wealth | askblog ... ( http://bit.ly/1EI3icz ) |
| 21:36 |
mircea_popescu |
<BingoBoingo> <asciilifeform> does s ever -mention- pgp? << Snowden mentions GPG all of the time, Greenwald mentions tor all of the time << exactly apt description. |
| 21:36 |
* |
asciilifeform out of date then |
| 21:36 |
decimation |
^ writing about winning the swedish lottery |
| 21:37 |
decimation |
someone who wins the swedish lottery could be a better person |
| 21:37 |
mircea_popescu |
lottery has nothing to do with either income or wealth. |
| 21:37 |
decimation |
"Overall, our findings suggest that correlations observed in affluent, developed countries between (i) wealth and health or (ii) parental income and children’s outcomes do not reflect a causal effect of wealth." |
| 21:38 |
decimation |
it turns out that a poor bum who wins alot of money is still just a poor bum |
| 21:38 |
asciilifeform |
decimation: ^ known around the world |
| 21:38 |
asciilifeform |
however, note that maths phd etc. never win lotteries |
| 21:38 |
asciilifeform |
(they don't play) |
| 21:39 |
decimation |
true |
| 21:39 |
asciilifeform |
lottery selects for idiocy |
| 21:39 |
mircea_popescu |
lottery is just a very bad model for this sort of research |
| 21:39 |
mircea_popescu |
but in general, given the choice between "a flawed study few can recognise as flawed" and "no study", pseudo-scientists readily (and understandably, from a gt perspective) go for the former. |
| 21:39 |
BingoBoingo |
asciilifeform: If your shiva eyes/hands have the time the citizenfour thing doesn't actually promote the innocence of any parties features, but clearly illustrates Greenwald's shitgnommery |
| 21:40 |
asciilifeform |
BingoBoingo: believe or not, i haven't the time |
| 21:40 |
mircea_popescu |
this bias is, incidentally, why "stifling science" is such a suspect cry de guerre. one never nows if it's genuine science being supressed, |
| 21:40 |
BingoBoingo |
I believe it |
| 21:40 |
mircea_popescu |
or just some of these clock punchers didn't get money for their mortgage. |
| 21:40 |
decimation |
possibly, perhaps fat bitches, husbands, secs really can be otherwise |
| 21:40 |
asciilifeform |
mircea_popescu: 100 to 1 it's 'clock punchers' |
| 21:40 |
asciilifeform |
the genuine article doesn't have time or microphone to whine |
| 21:41 |
mircea_popescu |
decimation and who's paying for the divergence from thermodynamics ? |
| 21:41 |
decimation |
well, apparently not the lottery |
| 21:41 |
mircea_popescu |
lmao |
| 21:41 |
mircea_popescu |
of course not! lottery is an entropic result! thinkaboutit!!11 |
| 21:41 |
mircea_popescu |
NOTEVEN DOOM MUSIC! in the shape of government handouts |
| 21:42 |
decimation |
at least the lottery is voluntary wealth distribution |
| 21:42 |
nubbins` |
asciilifeform iirc s tried to teach greenwald gpg and he couldnt figure it out |
| 21:42 |
nubbins` |
s had to make a video etc |
| 21:42 |
mircea_popescu |
it boggles the mind to try and imagine what this thing that pays for the divergence would look like, |
| 21:42 |
nubbins` |
all kidnappy-voiced |
| 21:42 |
mircea_popescu |
but i suspect it comes with three different types of cherenkov effect |
| 21:43 |
mircea_popescu |
nubbins` btw, i am VERY suspect of people who claim to "not be able to figure it out". |
| 21:43 |
mircea_popescu |
either indiancandies or else, assets. |
| 21:43 |
mircea_popescu |
in either case... |
| 21:43 |
asciilifeform |
usually if someone has the basic nervous system needed to operate the machine at all, he -can- |
| 21:43 |
nubbins` |
mircea_popescu email the smartest journalist in .ar and tell em youve got a bombshell, but they need pgp |
| 21:43 |
decimation |
note she won the 0.1 btc lottery and apparently thought that nothing else would come of it |
| 21:43 |
nubbins` |
$5 says they get someone else to install it for em |
| 21:44 |
mircea_popescu |
nubbins` that'd be... brendafdez ? |
| 21:44 |
nubbins` |
ahh \o/ |
| 21:44 |
asciilifeform |
nubbins`: or generated key at imamoronmakemeakey.com |
| 21:44 |
mircea_popescu |
what do i get now ? hm ? :D |
| 21:44 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 80550 @ 0.00025542 = 20.5741 BTC [+] {2} |
| 21:44 |
nubbins` |
an invoice for a thousand pogos? |
| 21:44 |
mircea_popescu |
waitwut! |
| 21:44 |
nubbins` |
HUE |
| 21:44 |
mircea_popescu |
i just sunk your theory! i want a candy! omfg EVERYONE TURNING INTO MP |
| 21:44 |
mircea_popescu |
WHY SO MEAN |
| 21:45 |
nubbins` |
asciilifeform i'm not normally this slow on the uptake but generally unfamiliar w/ replacing kernels |
| 21:45 |
nubbins` |
i've got a, uh. turdel and a pogo |
| 21:45 |
mircea_popescu |
shoulda done fewer whippets! |
| 21:45 |
asciilifeform |
nubbins`: easiest way to test is to reconfigure it to boot from tftp |
| 21:45 |
asciilifeform |
!s tftp |
| 21:45 |
assbot |
12 results for 'tftp' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=tftp |
| 21:45 |
asciilifeform |
this is some extra effort vs. stuffing it on usb or sd, but will pay off later |
| 21:46 |
asciilifeform |
as it shortens the test loop when you start screwing with it in earnest |
| 21:46 |
asciilifeform |
(i'm in the process of making the build replicable) |
| 21:48 |
mircea_popescu |
http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-03-2015#1072728 << ahahaha o bring me thy log lines! i got one cornered! |
| 21:48 |
assbot |
Logged on 26-03-2015 18:19:18; jurov: no it does not poll it at all, i refresh i manually *blushes* |
| 21:49 |
mircea_popescu |
http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-03-2015#1072743 << i wish they'd start publishing these as gpg signed statemewnts. |
| 21:49 |
assbot |
Logged on 26-03-2015 18:40:56; nubbins`: Very respectfully yours, Dr Les (Leslie - Leszek) Sachs - Scholar of the history of law and religion, with 7 earned academic degrees from 3 universities, the first two from Harvard University, alongside many US leaders; |
| 21:49 |
mircea_popescu |
so you know, one can check these claims |
| 21:49 |
mircea_popescu |
http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-03-2015#1072753 << you know, this is something a (reasonably unknown) derp can do for himself - just spam a lot. |
| 21:49 |
assbot |
Logged on 26-03-2015 18:43:11; asciilifeform: the most testable hypothesis is that google systematically blackholes him |
| 21:50 |
asciilifeform |
could |
| 21:50 |
mircea_popescu |
i know because angry/stupid .ro folk with delusions of self importance tried this sort of thing (on like 3 different occasions) against me |
| 21:50 |
mircea_popescu |
didn't take, but was informative |
| 21:50 |
asciilifeform |
which thing, out of curiosity |
| 21:50 |
mircea_popescu |
like the qntra ddos stuff was informative re wp etc |
| 21:50 |
mircea_popescu |
asciilifeform "let's get google convinced this guy is a spammer" |
| 21:51 |
asciilifeform |
whatever it was - worked. |
| 21:51 |
mircea_popescu |
it'd trivially work, again, if the target is anon with a wp account or w/e. |
| 21:51 |
mircea_popescu |
notice the recent lulzy failure of fetlife to "throw its weight around". |
| 21:51 |
mircea_popescu |
it "always works", they thought, so why not. |
| 21:51 |
mircea_popescu |
there's a lot of this going on the intertubes. |
| 21:51 |
decimation |
re: sachs < he fails to assert why the cia benefits from anything assange or snowden are doing, while the media gets moar clicks |
| 21:52 |
mircea_popescu |
heck, all the reddit brigading is essentially this, "you can blackball nobodies by banging on a lot of pots and pans!" |
| 21:52 |
asciilifeform |
decimation: sure he does. in his picture, snowden (but especially the greenwald gang) lead genuine defectors to perdition 2) lead public to use 'blackphones', 'redphones', and misc. garbage 3) drum up a general sense of dread and 'the walls have ears' |
| 21:52 |
mircea_popescu |
im not sure i'd hang any man for either of these. |
| 21:53 |
asciilifeform |
admittedly #2 is more my conjecture than sachs text |
| 21:53 |
decimation |
all of which happen with or without their help |
| 21:53 |
mircea_popescu |
for one, they could trivially be stated about you. for the other, srsly ? this is a claim now ? |
| 21:53 |
asciilifeform |
mircea_popescu: they could trivially be stated about you << just about anything could be. and folks would believe it, too. |
| 21:54 |
mircea_popescu |
i don't think that text works without the necessary "bouncing wall" effect a properly conspiratorial mindset provides. |
| 21:54 |
danielpbarron |
asciilifeform, http://danielpbarron.com/turdel_with_telnet.txt |
| 21:54 |
assbot |
... ( http://bit.ly/1EI4jBn ) |
| 21:54 |
mircea_popescu |
too much "obviously..." jumping |
| 21:54 |
trinque |
I joked just last night that #b-a RPG was a meta-NSA recruitment program |
| 21:54 |
asciilifeform |
congrats danielpbarron! |
| 21:54 |
mircea_popescu |
trinque you think this is funny ? |
| 21:54 |
BingoBoingo |
Moar Winblows http://arstechnica.com/business/2015/03/german-pro-basketball-team-relegated-to-lower-division-due-to-windows-update/ |
| 21:54 |
assbot |
German pro basketball team relegated to lower division due to Windows update | Ars Technica ... ( http://bit.ly/1EI4kVG ) |
| 21:54 |
mircea_popescu |
danielpbarron that useful for TomServo's q above ? |
| 21:55 |
mircea_popescu |
BingoBoingo ahaha qntra! |
| 21:55 |
trinque |
mircea_popescu: the context was a point about being able to frame any situation in ever more paranoid terms |
| 21:55 |
decimation |
lol the 10 viewers of german basketball will be disappoint |
| 21:55 |
mircea_popescu |
trinque no dude, you just blew the whole shebang wide open. |
| 21:55 |
trinque |
ah fuck |
| 21:55 |
mircea_popescu |
now ima have to make another thing! |
| 21:55 |
trinque |
LOL |
| 21:55 |
asciilifeform |
'with blackjack! and hookers' |
| 21:56 |
asciilifeform |
(TM) |
| 21:56 |
BingoBoingo |
mircea_popescu: Gotta check the German story first |
| 21:56 |
mircea_popescu |
sorry folks. eulora project ended. |
| 21:56 |
trinque |
my mother will be so proud |
| 21:57 |
decimation |
http://pocan.house.gov/media-center/press-releases/pocan-massie-introduce-legislation-to-repeal-patriot-act < snowden's ultimate gift to usg |
| 21:57 |
assbot |
Pocan & Massie Introduce Legislation to Repeal PATRIOT Act | Congressman Mark Pocan ... ( http://bit.ly/1EI4ufZ ) |
| 21:57 |
mircea_popescu |
so i want to announce this... umm... florist stand that s.mg will be producing. |
| 21:57 |
mircea_popescu |
brick and mortar store and TOTALLY not a recruitment front. |
| 21:58 |
danielpbarron |
TomServo, http://danielpbarron.com/pogo/howto.txt |
| 21:58 |
assbot |
... ( http://bit.ly/1EI4vAn ) |
| 21:58 |
mircea_popescu |
http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-03-2015#1072772 << did he go to spanish harvard ?! |
| 21:58 |
assbot |
Logged on 26-03-2015 18:52:58; asciilifeform: he is not a master of the english language. |
| 21:59 |
asciilifeform |
nah sotomayor harvard |
| 21:59 |
asciilifeform |
or perhaps gwb harvard |
| 21:59 |
* |
asciilifeform did not say he bought sachs's creds wholesale |
| 21:59 |
mircea_popescu |
i don't get it. your thesis is that he's like obama, there for "extracurricular" reasons ? |
| 21:59 |
mircea_popescu |
what, his dad built the clocktower ? |
| 22:00 |
asciilifeform |
actually they keep a certain number of such characters around |
| 22:00 |
mircea_popescu |
iirc there's no jew quota at harvard. |
| 22:00 |
asciilifeform |
tendrils of usg in the turd world |
| 22:00 |
mircea_popescu |
http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-03-2015#1072793 << i am not aware he made such a promise ?! |
| 22:00 |
assbot |
Logged on 26-03-2015 18:59:01; asciilifeform: from his pushing tor, to promising to reveal 'who plugged jfk', to countless other distractions |
| 22:00 |
asciilifeform |
they go home, and become pliant administrators, dreaming of sending the childrenz to usa |
| 22:00 |
asciilifeform |
mircea_popescu: well, the 'snowden twitter' did |
| 22:01 |
asciilifeform |
some time sept. or oct., iirc |
| 22:01 |
mircea_popescu |
do you mean https://twitter.com/kevinmitnick/status/475346838627696640 ? |
| 22:01 |
assbot |
Did Snowden grep the NSA docs for JFK yet? Just wondering since I'm in Dallas today :-) |
| 22:01 |
asciilifeform |
no. |
| 22:02 |
asciilifeform |
'On November 22, in cooperation with journalists from around the world, I will reveal who really killed President John F. Kennedy.' |
| 22:02 |
decimation |
lol |
| 22:02 |
mircea_popescu |
dude srlsy. |
| 22:02 |
mircea_popescu |
it was a parody acct. |
| 22:02 |
mircea_popescu |
(The Snowden on the fake Twitter account is offering even more sensational revelations: I can confirm that Barack Obama worked for the CIA in the 80s, helping to stage a coup against the Fiji government. |
| 22:02 |
mircea_popescu |
An even more apocalyptic promise says: On November 22, in cooperation with journalists from around the world, I will reveal who really killed President John F. Kennedy.) |
| 22:03 |
asciilifeform |
nope |
| 22:03 |
asciilifeform |
that was on the actual account. |
| 22:03 |
asciilifeform |
well, as 'actual' as any of him |
| 22:03 |
TomServo |
danielpbarron: aye, thanks - i'm disecting now |
| 22:03 |
TomServo |
asciilifeform: also thanks |
| 22:03 |
mircea_popescu |
is that the exact quote you meant or different ? |
| 22:03 |
asciilifeform |
exact quote from own notes |
| 22:04 |
asciilifeform |
trying to find some corroboration of it to link to |
| 22:04 |
decimation |
asciilifeform: the oddest thing about snowden is the reddit-esque faith he had in the media to 'start a conversation' |
| 22:04 |
mircea_popescu |
https://twitter.com/EJosephSnowden/status/397048402510245888 << ? |
| 22:05 |
mircea_popescu |
srsly, i suspect you ended up intoxicated from 2nd hand material. |
| 22:05 |
mircea_popescu |
the guy is not actually pushing tor and that promise was a fake acct. |
| 22:05 |
asciilifeform |
to be fair, it isn't like his other communiques are pgp-signed. |
| 22:06 |
mircea_popescu |
sure. |
| 22:06 |
mircea_popescu |
the claim here isn'tthat the cow flies. |
| 22:06 |
decimation |
asciilifeform: another good point, why didn't he use pgp to verify his information? |
| 22:06 |
mircea_popescu |
the claim is that the cow actually gives milk. |
| 22:06 |
mircea_popescu |
(which, also, not signed) |
| 22:06 |
asciilifeform |
decimation: and afaik he never followed any analogue of 'ascii_field can talk and i will say if it was an impostor yesterday' principle |
| 22:07 |
asciilifeform |
never disavowed the garbage |
| 22:07 |
mircea_popescu |
imo that is the correct strategy. |
| 22:07 |
mircea_popescu |
if he universally ignores th egarbage, the garbage has to stand on its own |
| 22:07 |
mircea_popescu |
if he disavows any, the rest can now stand on your "didn't disavow me!!1" |
| 22:08 |
mircea_popescu |
why should HE discuss what other people say ? |
| 22:09 |
asciilifeform |
granted |
| 22:09 |
asciilifeform |
unrelated >> http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/world/wp/2015/03/26/what-we-know-about-andreas-lubitz-the-co-pilot-of-the-germanwings-plane-crash/?tid=pm_world_pop << omg1111!!!11 wr3ck3rz!! |
| 22:09 |
assbot |
What we know about Andreas Lubitz, the co-pilot of Germanwings Flight 9525 - The Washington Post ... ( http://bit.ly/1EI4X1H ) |
| 22:09 |
BingoBoingo |
http://qntra.net/2015/03/basketball-team-relegated-to-lower-division-by-ms-windows-misbehavior/ |
| 22:09 |
assbot |
Basketball Team Relegated to Lower Division by MS Windows Misbehavior | Qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1EI4Xi2 ) |
| 22:09 |
decimation |
actually related |
| 22:10 |
mircea_popescu |
srsly, i am so disappoint the french are not like, being invaded. |
| 22:10 |
mircea_popescu |
such perfect italian opportunity to conquer galia again. |
| 22:10 |
mircea_popescu |
IT WAS HISTORICALLY THEIRS |
| 22:10 |
decimation |
some derpy youth takes matters beyond him into his own hands, fails to do much of use |
| 22:10 |
mircea_popescu |
BingoBoingo lol win. |
| 22:11 |
mircea_popescu |
http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-03-2015#1072801 << i lolled. |
| 22:11 |
assbot |
Logged on 26-03-2015 19:01:01; nubbins`: http://www.patricia-cornwell-biography.net/patricia-cornwell-jew-baiting-extortion-letter-p-2.jpg |
| 22:11 |
mircea_popescu |
guy defo has his buttons. |
| 22:12 |
mircea_popescu |
http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-03-2015#1072809 << pls to explain this. |
| 22:12 |
assbot |
Logged on 26-03-2015 19:02:33; asciilifeform: not sure how 'sane' you and i would appear, after a few decades in his position. |
| 22:12 |
asciilifeform |
radiation damage. |
| 22:12 |
asciilifeform |
if any of his biographical material is to be believed, he's been at the futile soapbox thing for decades. |
| 22:13 |
mircea_popescu |
like me ? |
| 22:13 |
mircea_popescu |
or how you distinguish ? |
| 22:13 |
asciilifeform |
the 'futile' part |
| 22:13 |
mircea_popescu |
how is it anything but futile ? |
| 22:13 |
mircea_popescu |
like... ppl still investing on forum, right ? |
| 22:13 |
asciilifeform |
sachs, i meant |
| 22:13 |
mircea_popescu |
what, specifically, is not futile ? |
| 22:14 |
mircea_popescu |
human fucking condition. |
| 22:14 |
asciilifeform |
time for 'zoom to fit image' here |
| 22:14 |
mircea_popescu |
holy shit, i don't even fuck without a condom! |
| 22:14 |
asciilifeform |
(vs 'zoom to fit human condition') |
| 22:14 |
mircea_popescu |
so you're saying this particular zoom quantity has a quality all of its own ? |
| 22:15 |
asciilifeform |
was trying to say, that sachs is successfully censored, for the most part |
| 22:15 |
asciilifeform |
even 'yandex' returns somewhere between 1 and 3 hits for him (depending on luck of the draw) |
| 22:15 |
mircea_popescu |
well... my twitter account got abandoned once and banned once. |
| 22:15 |
mircea_popescu |
reddit thinks it a great success (the 2nd, not the 1st) |
| 22:15 |
mircea_popescu |
so ? |
| 22:15 |
asciilifeform |
where is the sachs version of #b-a ? |
| 22:15 |
asciilifeform |
or of castle mircea_popescustein ? |
| 22:16 |
mircea_popescu |
absence of proof = proof of absence ? |
| 22:16 |
asciilifeform |
granted |
| 22:16 |
mircea_popescu |
same could be argued by rpietilla. |
| 22:16 |
asciilifeform |
but wherever it is - well-hidden. |
| 22:16 |
asciilifeform |
as in, airtight. |
| 22:16 |
mircea_popescu |
he's not insane, he's just been angry for too long. except im pretty sure he has both these. |
| 22:16 |
asciilifeform |
note the date of the linked piece |
| 22:16 |
asciilifeform |
quite a while ago |
| 22:17 |
mircea_popescu |
the jew baiting letter was 2000 iirc |
| 22:17 |
asciilifeform |
and i would have never seen it had he not written a letter to cryptome (see other link) |
| 22:17 |
asciilifeform |
speaking of the snowden thing here |
| 22:17 |
asciilifeform |
http://cryptome.org/2015/03/snowden-cia-fraud.htm |
| 22:17 |
assbot |
... ( http://bit.ly/1EI5l0e ) |
| 22:17 |
mircea_popescu |
but wouldn't you say that describing that legalese boilerplate as "jew baiting" in 2000 would offer sufficient explanation of why he can't get his shit published in 2012 or w/e ? |
| 22:18 |
asciilifeform |
published by new yorker - sure |
| 22:18 |
asciilifeform |
indexed by google? |
| 22:18 |
asciilifeform |
yandex?! |
| 22:18 |
mircea_popescu |
maybe they pursued a defamation suit, sent c&ds around ? |
| 22:18 |
asciilifeform |
that'd be the one time it worked |
| 22:19 |
mircea_popescu |
understand, it does not take MUCH for an inept derp on the margin of his sanity to lose internet access. |
| 22:19 |
mircea_popescu |
i could do it, generally, for pretty much anyone. |
| 22:19 |
asciilifeform |
incidentally they normally publish the letter |
| 22:19 |
asciilifeform |
but in his case made exception. |
| 22:19 |
mircea_popescu |
afaik they do not any longer |
| 22:19 |
mircea_popescu |
used to, but became too much hassle |
| 22:19 |
asciilifeform |
did for warez, as of a few wks ago when i last saw. |
| 22:19 |
mircea_popescu |
link or something ? |
| 22:20 |
asciilifeform |
https://www.chillingeffects.org/submission_id/1420769 |
| 22:20 |
assbot |
Chilling Effects - 404 Error ... ( http://bit.ly/1EI5oco ) |
| 22:20 |
mircea_popescu |
o.O |
| 22:20 |
mircea_popescu |
one that doesnt 404 ? |
| 22:21 |
mircea_popescu |
check it out, alf is a tachyon. has read the future. |
| 22:21 |
asciilifeform |
search for 'leszek sachs' |
| 22:21 |
asciilifeform |
then follow link |
| 22:22 |
mircea_popescu |
Cerca de 343.000 resultados |
| 22:22 |
mircea_popescu |
includes > dozen pics of the same bespectacled fellow |
| 22:22 |
asciilifeform |
incidentally #b-a is not at the top of the page like usual. |
| 22:22 |
mircea_popescu |
and is no such link |
| 22:22 |
asciilifeform |
mircea_popescu: might be geolocatronic shenanigans |
| 22:22 |
asciilifeform |
of the kind google is famous for |
| 22:22 |
mircea_popescu |
it is, which is what i said. |
| 22:23 |
asciilifeform |
aha. |
| 22:23 |
mircea_popescu |
do you wish to see the html ? |
| 22:23 |
asciilifeform |
dpaste |
| 22:23 |
asciilifeform |
but yes, did see the pics |
| 22:23 |
mircea_popescu |
http://dpaste.com/25VM435 |
| 22:23 |
assbot |
dpaste: 25VM435 ... ( http://bit.ly/1EI5ArT ) |
| 22:23 |
asciilifeform |
notably, did not see the document linked on cryptome |
| 22:24 |
mircea_popescu |
the cryptome piece itself is indexed (if one looks by "last week" results) |
| 22:24 |
decimation |
the cryptome 'letter' is also lulzy |
| 22:24 |
asciilifeform |
i suppose we'll see if there is a gnome with a hand-edited 'google blackhole' chart, soon enough |
| 22:24 |
decimation |
one is confused why the cia would bother to find such a complex excuse to be embarassed and embarass others |
| 22:25 |
nubbins` |
root@debian:/# tftp 0x800000 turdel_with_telnet |
| 22:25 |
nubbins` |
0x800000: unknown host |
| 22:26 |
mircea_popescu |
http://www.zerohedge.com/contributed/2013-02-10/google-moves-destroy-online-anonymity-
-helping-authoritarian-governments-pro << he was in zerohedge ffs, last year. |
| 22:26 |
assbot |
Page Not Found | Zero Hedge ... ( http://bit.ly/1EI5Gjs ) |
| 22:26 |
asciilifeform |
decimation: the historic, self-admitted 'national character' of cia (as described in their authorized histories, note) is as a gang of 'younger sons' of old-money lords in usa. on account of the elementary fact that these were the only possible recruits because no one else was cultured or spoke languages. |
| 22:26 |
asciilifeform |
(ww2 period) |
| 22:26 |
decimation |
asciilifeform: perhaps, but I can't imagine that the employees look much different than the post office today |
| 22:27 |
asciilifeform |
decimation: depends what is meant by 'employees' |
| 22:27 |
asciilifeform |
the paper-pushers - undoubtedly. |
| 22:27 |
mircea_popescu |
oh, meta-cia as well ? |
| 22:27 |
mircea_popescu |
that i might almost credit. |
| 22:27 |
asciilifeform |
meta-cia i can't even take credit for |
| 22:27 |
mircea_popescu |
right. |
| 22:27 |
decimation |
it seems from the wapo article about the anti-al-quaeda chap that he ran the 'meta-cia' |
| 22:27 |
asciilifeform |
worked great in su. |
| 22:27 |
mircea_popescu |
so alf, guy was in zh two years ago. it never caught. also supression ? |
| 22:28 |
asciilifeform |
i can't insist on it. but can't rule out. |
| 22:28 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 74300 @ 0.00024431 = 18.1522 BTC [-] |
| 22:28 |
mircea_popescu |
http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-03-2015#1072854 << i suspect you're confused as to the meaning of at least one word in there :D |
| 22:28 |
assbot |
Logged on 26-03-2015 19:31:49; nubbins`: may have a job printing posters for big-name punk band :0 |
| 22:28 |
decimation |
how could anyone inside usg accomplish anything at all without creating a meta-something |
| 22:29 |
mircea_popescu |
i hear this is how they get laid, too. |
| 22:29 |
asciilifeform |
can't say the sachs thing is a living animal. but a bone, with just enough meat on it to be worth picking up. |
| 22:29 |
decimation |
as if including the diversity-based hiring quotees could enhance the outcome? |
| 22:29 |
asciilifeform |
decimation: the basic 'meta' picture in my head is the small group inside virtually any gigantic and ossified organization that actually gets things done |
| 22:29 |
decimation |
which is what happens in any large organization |
| 22:30 |
mircea_popescu |
asciilifeform so the skunkworks without the management ? |
| 22:30 |
asciilifeform |
or with own management, which largely functions to insulate it from the nominal management. |
| 22:30 |
mircea_popescu |
this is a very important difference here. |
| 22:31 |
mircea_popescu |
afaik the way this works is, there's someone in management who's not retarded, cultivates these. |
| 22:31 |
mircea_popescu |
as a self-organised thing i never saw it exist |
| 22:31 |
asciilifeform |
almost certainly ww2 vintage. |
| 22:31 |
mircea_popescu |
save in very narrow conditions (say, the it dept) |
| 22:31 |
asciilifeform |
the men, i mean |
| 22:32 |
mircea_popescu |
http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-03-2015#1072895 << wait. and this is unlike normal openssh how again ? |
| 22:32 |
assbot |
Logged on 26-03-2015 19:55:07; asciilifeform: observation: sshd on a box with no rng may as well be replaced by telnetd |
| 22:33 |
asciilifeform |
normal box has at least the entropic component of cpu vs real time clock frequency drift. |
| 22:33 |
asciilifeform |
not to mention user i/o |
| 22:33 |
asciilifeform |
(very scant, but real, 'meat entropy' from human devices, etc) |
| 22:33 |
mircea_popescu |
my poor stab at poor openssh securitah. |
| 22:34 |
decimation |
asciilifeform: I thought it didn't have an rtc |
| 22:34 |
asciilifeform |
anyway that thing under no conceivable circumstances ought to be remotely shellable and sitting on public net at same time |
| 22:34 |
asciilifeform |
decimation: it has a useless rtc |
| 22:34 |
mircea_popescu |
fun fact : you can acutally hand-load the entropy pool. |
| 22:34 |
asciilifeform |
mircea_popescu: sure can. |
| 22:34 |
decimation |
why not an init with the auto-kill while loop |
| 22:34 |
asciilifeform |
decimation: init of what |
| 22:35 |
decimation |
I mean init is literally just a while loop |
| 22:35 |
decimation |
no shell |
| 22:35 |
asciilifeform |
decimation: this will make, e.g., setting static ip, impossible |
| 22:36 |
decimation |
could dhcp |
| 22:36 |
asciilifeform |
i don't like dhcp in my house. |
| 22:36 |
decimation |
heh |
| 22:36 |
asciilifeform |
and can't imagine i'm the only one |
| 22:36 |
asciilifeform |
dhcp also means we have to bring back upnp |
| 22:36 |
asciilifeform |
think about it! |
| 22:36 |
asciilifeform |
the demo turdel dhcp's, yes |
| 22:36 |
decimation |
not with a well configured dhcp/firewall |
| 22:36 |
decimation |
but it would be more complex, I agree |
| 22:37 |
asciilifeform |
decimation: how many in target audience will have well-configured anythign? |
| 22:37 |
decimation |
hehe |
| 22:37 |
asciilifeform |
we're probably stuck bringing back upnp regardless |
| 22:37 |
mircea_popescu |
what fire wall anyway ? |
| 22:37 |
asciilifeform |
(as a separate demon, i suggest) |
| 22:37 |
mircea_popescu |
this plugs into router. |
| 22:37 |
asciilifeform |
aha |
| 22:37 |
decimation |
the router that runs nat and has a firewall you mean? |
| 22:37 |
mircea_popescu |
asciilifeform whai ? |
| 22:37 |
asciilifeform |
mircea_popescu: because how is anyone to connect to this thing! |
| 22:37 |
mircea_popescu |
decimation that's unused, yes. |
| 22:37 |
decimation |
??? |
| 22:37 |
mircea_popescu |
asciilifeform ugh |
| 22:37 |
asciilifeform |
mircea_popescu: think about it for a minute |
| 22:37 |
decimation |
gulz at your party gonna configure their services |
| 22:38 |
mircea_popescu |
shit. |
| 22:38 |
decimation |
this is why half the 'cloud' shit even exists |
| 22:38 |
asciilifeform |
jurov made this observation in october |
| 22:38 |
asciilifeform |
that upnp will have to be grudgingly brought back, if only as a separate process |
| 22:38 |
decimation |
because nat fucks up everything |
| 22:38 |
asciilifeform |
(outside of bitcoind) |
| 22:39 |
mircea_popescu |
http://bloximages.newyork1.vip.townnews.com/stltoday.com/content/tncms/assets/v3/editorial/c/b6/cb6523a6-02dc-5cc2-be49-762e7e525851/5514637854c52.image.jpg << is that actualy a gun ? |
| 22:39 |
assbot |
... ( http://bit.ly/1Csuteg ) |
| 22:39 |
asciilifeform |
if the thing is to be given to 'civilians' |
| 22:39 |
asciilifeform |
mircea_popescu: 'mossberg' |
| 22:39 |
asciilifeform |
three-round '12 ga' mag |
| 22:39 |
asciilifeform |
the other two barrels, no idea |
| 22:39 |
decimation |
is that the bot they sent after the boston bombers |
| 22:39 |
asciilifeform |
(speaking of the black barrel) |
| 22:39 |
asciilifeform |
decimation: nope |
| 22:39 |
asciilifeform |
decimation: from earlier newpiece today re: a tax guy |
| 22:40 |
decimation |
heh |
| 22:40 |
decimation |
it has some kind of other gun on its left 'arm' |
| 22:40 |
decimation |
maybe paintball? |
| 22:40 |
asciilifeform |
i count 3 barrels |
| 22:40 |
asciilifeform |
brb |
| 22:40 |
mircea_popescu |
http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-03-2015#1072978 << yeah. |
| 22:40 |
assbot |
Logged on 26-03-2015 20:44:33; asciilifeform: still think 'usg as high-tech north kr is impossible', ? |
| 22:41 |
decimation |
one of them might be a laser |
| 22:41 |
decimation |
although it is a large barrel for a laser |
| 22:41 |
mircea_popescu |
i'd expect smoke launchers etc. |
| 22:41 |
decimation |
usians have been brainwashed too long to be turned into north kr-ites |
| 22:41 |
mircea_popescu |
http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-03-2015#1072986 << everyone's going to be the first guy to stick a finger in teenaged pussy. FOREVER. |
| 22:41 |
assbot |
Logged on 26-03-2015 21:28:26; jurov: " is set to become the world’s first trading platform with a direct connection to the classic banking system" davout perhaps you may something to say about that? |
| 22:47 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 166947 @ 0.00024425 = 40.7768 BTC [-] {2} |
| 22:49 |
decimation |
weirdly the dec 19 SPY put option with the most open interest is 135 |
| 22:49 |
decimation |
current 'money' is at 205 |
| 22:53 |
nubbins` |
asciilifeform danielpbarron etc http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=QHGEWZdn |
| 22:53 |
assbot |
... ( http://bit.ly/1CsuWgk ) |
| 22:57 |
mircea_popescu |
decimation bear in mind that this sort of thing is seen often enough. |
| 22:58 |
mircea_popescu |
it always seems remarkable when the sec comes out with "oh, clearly they had insider info, held 90% of this improbable strike". but if you go combing over the market, you'll see lots of similar situations all the time. |
| 23:00 |
decimation |
mircea_popescu: apparently so. I'm trying to find a way to hedge my mostly long position on us equities |
| 23:01 |
mircea_popescu |
options are rarely the way to go for something like that. |
| 23:02 |
decimation |
well these days bonds and stocks trade as one |
| 23:02 |
decimation |
because the whole thing is predicated on 'usg prints money true/false' |
| 23:13 |
asciilifeform |
nubbins`: congrats |
| 23:13 |
nubbins` |
ty |
| 23:14 |
nubbins` |
still working on cross-compile toolchain for darwin->arm |
| 23:14 |
asciilifeform |
nubbins`: 'buildroot' builds cross-chain |
| 23:14 |
asciilifeform |
on just about any reasonable unix |
| 23:14 |
asciilifeform |
and i mean all of it |
| 23:15 |
nubbins` |
hm, i'll cheggidout |
| 23:15 |
asciilifeform |
nubbins`: it's what i'm building the whole shebang (as seen in turdel) with |
| 23:16 |
asciilifeform |
nubbins`: my plan is to fit bitcoind & its deps in there |
| 23:16 |
asciilifeform |
as just another 'package' |
| 23:16 |
decimation |
asciilifeform: ideally the thing would have a small lcd terminal for programming ips, keys, etc |
| 23:16 |
asciilifeform |
the output is a kernel and a rootfs (in 'turdel', deliberately baked into one binary to simplify testing) |
| 23:17 |
asciilifeform |
decimation: ideally i would be designing it full time in b-a or whatnot |
| 23:17 |
decimation |
not that this would be of any use to the target audience |
| 23:17 |
decimation |
aye |
| 23:17 |
asciilifeform |
decimation: and it would be baking in my personal fab |
| 23:17 |
asciilifeform |
but we're on 'junkyard wars' not 'who wants to be a quadrillionaire' |
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| 23:17 |
decimation |
wait do you mean argentina or #b-a |
| 23:18 |
asciilifeform |
the former |
| 23:18 |
asciilifeform |
(just as example) |
| 23:18 |
* |
asciilifeform doesn't know for a fact whether he could tolerate it long-term |
| 23:19 |
nubbins` |
spent much time in a foreign country? |
| 23:19 |
asciilifeform |
nubbins`: yes, 22 years. |
| 23:19 |
decimation |
asciilifeform: well if I win the swedish lottery I'll fund your fab |
| 23:20 |
asciilifeform |
decimation: i don't think any lottery on the planet pays a tenth of what it'd cost. |
| 23:20 |
decimation |
oh a full chip fab? |
| 23:21 |
asciilifeform |
chip fab and army |
| 23:21 |
asciilifeform |
and pet economy to feed the two. |
| 23:24 |
decimation |
asciilifeform: so you basically want singapore |
| 23:24 |
asciilifeform |
sumthinglikethat |
| 23:24 |
asciilifeform |
but this is rather like asking about that kind of martial colony would feel best |
| 23:24 |
decimation |
well, I would pick an island in the middle of the pacific for definisibility |
| 23:24 |
asciilifeform |
not enough info from my perch to even say something reasonable beyond 'it ain't happening' |
| 23:24 |
decimation |
defensibility |
| 23:25 |
nubbins` |
dat off-brand battery |
| 23:25 |
asciilifeform |
island only works if you have thermonukes ready to pop in every major enemy population centre and they know it. |
| 23:25 |
decimation |
eh, kinda |
| 23:26 |
decimation |
the island is good because if you can operate a reasonable air and sea defense system, you are pretty well protected |
| 23:26 |
decimation |
if people wanna use icbm's they are gonna have to be committed |
| 23:26 |
asciilifeform |
'tomahawk' |
| 23:26 |
asciilifeform |
much cheaper |
| 23:26 |
nubbins` |
asciilifeform:nubbins`: yes, 22 years. <<< lel @ me |
| 23:27 |
decimation |
cruise missiles are just as vulnerable as other aircraft |
| 23:27 |
asciilifeform |
decimation: see old thread: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-02-2014#488934 |
| 23:27 |
assbot |
Logged on 08-02-2014 00:14:28; asciilifeform: imagine you possess a death ray that magically zaps a rocket, from any distance. |
| 23:28 |
asciilifeform |
(summary: defence doesn't work) |
| 23:28 |
decimation |
asciilifeform: yes, and on an island you can be the one lobbing rockets at whatever ship/aircraft is lobbing rockets at you |
| 23:31 |
decimation |
the whole problem of air defense becomes much simpler once you can enumerate goodness |
| 23:40 |
mircea_popescu |
entire fucking building reeks of pot. these people... |
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| 23:40 |
mircea_popescu |
it's like being in a campus |
| 23:41 |
mircea_popescu |
decimation options have a very strong time correlation. unless you have a very clear date in mind, they're not usually the right tool |
| 23:42 |
decimation |
aye, you have to 'leap' from one ex date to the next |
| 23:42 |
mircea_popescu |
if you do that you will lose money. |
| 23:42 |
mircea_popescu |
who was the guy with the "short" fund, had some of the horrid0est results ever. i recall discussed here maybe cca 2013 |
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| 23:43 |
decimation |
well, the problem I have is picking the stirke price and quantity that is appropriate |
| 23:43 |
decimation |
there are plenty of short funds avialable, but they all have extremely high costs |
| 23:43 |
mircea_popescu |
if you wish to be equity neutral the more common strategy is "buy the equities short the index" or vice-versa. |
| 23:43 |
mircea_popescu |
this is very time-invariant. |
| 23:44 |
decimation |
yeah that's a fair point |
| 23:44 |
mircea_popescu |
<decimation> asciilifeform: yes, and on an island you can be the one lobbing rockets at whatever ship/aircraft is lobbing rockets at you << no you can't. why do you think "international waters" are so important. |
| 23:45 |
decimation |
well, presumably if they are firing on you from every steradian you have your rights |
| 23:45 |
mircea_popescu |
you have to sink the ship befroe it fires. |
| 23:45 |
mircea_popescu |
after, what's it gonna do. |
| 23:45 |
decimation |
declare the surrounding 2000 miles of sea to be territorial |
| 23:46 |
mircea_popescu |
this is a nude declaration of war. |
| 23:46 |
nubbins` |
2000! |
| 23:46 |
nubbins` |
my sides |
| 23:46 |
mircea_popescu |
and what happens once some schmoe makes the 2100 mile tomahawk ? you redeclare ? |
| 23:46 |
decimation |
no, you shoot it down once it hits your 2000 mile border without ident |
| 23:47 |
mircea_popescu |
it doesn't. sits at 2050 miles and waves. |
| 23:47 |
decimation |
can do until it runs out of fuel |
| 23:47 |
mircea_popescu |
what, plutonium ? |
| 23:48 |
decimation |
the point is, at 2000 miles it would be infeasible to 'fire on all sides' |
| 23:49 |
asciilifeform |
decimation: lobbing rockets, etc. is a contest of who has the largest pet economy to milk |
| 23:49 |
nubbins` |
this is hypothetical to the point of absurdity |
| 23:49 |
asciilifeform |
decimation: or do you imagine that even something as basic as 'v1' can be built from dirt |
| 23:50 |
asciilifeform |
nubbins`: what a cosmographer does is even less tangible, but we owe a good chunk of early physics to them. |
| 23:50 |
decimation |
it's a fair point, one would have to have a large chunk of wealth |
| 23:50 |
asciilifeform |
decimation: wealth as in functioning tame economy and natural resources. |
| 23:51 |
asciilifeform |
not as in 'numbers in account' |
| 23:51 |
asciilifeform |
esp. not if said account lives among the folks you intend to blow up |
| 23:51 |
mircea_popescu |
this entire "i'd get an island" thing is not unlike the strange idea of the british troops to wear red. |
| 23:51 |
mircea_popescu |
yeah... that'll work... |
| 23:51 |
decimation |
heh |
| 23:51 |
asciilifeform |
^ |
| 23:51 |
decimation |
it did 'work' for a few hundred years |
| 23:51 |
asciilifeform |
pre-aircraft |
| 23:51 |
mircea_popescu |
right. but you're in the wrong hundred. |
| 23:52 |
mircea_popescu |
see, if i had the magical stone that lets you turn time back FOR THE OTHERS |
| 23:52 |
mircea_popescu |
i wouldn't bother with the island. |
| 23:52 |
decimation |
okay, if not an island? where ? |
| 23:52 |
mircea_popescu |
here. |
| 23:53 |
nubbins` |
ಠ_ಠ |
| 23:53 |
decimation |
hawala works fine for finance but not for real estate |
| 23:53 |
asciilifeform |
it also, very notably, does not work especially well for physical objects as a class. |
| 23:54 |
asciilifeform |
last i checked, there were no teleporters. |
| 23:54 |
mircea_popescu |
i dun get it. |
| 23:54 |
mircea_popescu |
what is this objection ? |
| 23:54 |
decimation |
where's ascii gonna locate his fab, to be specific |
| 23:54 |
asciilifeform |
objection to a hypothetical 'locale doesn't matter' |
| 23:57 |
mircea_popescu |
why does locale matter ? |
| 23:57 |
mircea_popescu |
decimation the best solution to his problem would seem to me, bribing someone to defraud an existing fab |
| 23:57 |
mircea_popescu |
rather than "build his own" |
| 23:57 |
asciilifeform |
and trust the product from fraud ? |
| 23:57 |
asciilifeform |
and have item fabbed on winblows tools ? |
| 23:57 |
mircea_popescu |
the price for trying to be "supergovernment" is that you lose your claim to title for anything you might "own" |
| 23:58 |
mircea_popescu |
much like un declared tyrants lose their bank accounts. |
| 23:58 |
mircea_popescu |
asciilifeform have it secretly dualboot for all i care. |
| 23:58 |
* |
asciilifeform very confused |
| 23:58 |
mircea_popescu |
have them upgrade to archlinux "for their own interest". |
| 23:58 |
asciilifeform |
how does this 'solve' |
| 23:59 |
asciilifeform |
mircea_popescu: try to recall the thread where we illustrate that the entire extant ic fab ecosystem sits on two or three winblows-only turdwares that's easily 10,000 man-years each |
| 23:59 |
mircea_popescu |
so ? |