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01:09 asciilifeform signpost: orig txt in eng. ( paste, as the .ru www is under heady ddos ) for your enjoyment.
01:09 asciilifeform 'I do not in the least condemn those who have villas in Miami or the French Riviera, who cannot make do without foie gras, oysters or gender freedom as they call it. That is not the problem, not at all. The problem, again, is that many of these people are, essentially, over there in their minds and not here with our people and with Russia. In their opinion – in their opinion! – it is a sign of belonging to the supe
01:09 asciilifeform rior caste, the superior race. People like this would sell their own mothers just to be allowed to sit on the entry bench of the superior caste. They want to be just like them and imitate them in everything. But they forget or just completely fail to see that even if this so-called superior caste needs them, it needs them as expendable raw material to inflict maximum damage on our people.' etc
01:11 asciilifeform ( see also apropos. )
01:11 dulapbot (trilema) 2018-05-14 asciilifeform: there's a common set of jokes from su, q: 'if only we let germany win, we'd be drinking bavarian! riding in mercedes!' a: '... yes, ride in mercedes. but -- as the leather seat.'
01:20 verisimilitude That joke's less funny each time I read it.
01:25 verisimilitude It's really tiring seeing people act as if communists, with their higher kill count, be better than national socialists, just because they had different intents. It's a meme.
01:25 verisimilitude ``With foreign technical support, the pro-Nazi Kiev regime would have obtained weapons of mass destruction in the foreseeable future and, of course, would have targeted them against Russia.''
01:26 verisimilitude Am I misunderstanding something, or is this ``pro-Nazi Kiev regime'' led by a Jew, asciilifeform?
01:27 asciilifeform verisimilitude: supposedly! and, for over9000x moar laffs, famous standup comic, who played role of... accidental president. and who then ran for presidency on a 'peace' ticket
01:27 asciilifeform verisimilitude: initially 'peace', then was handed new script.
01:35 verisimilitude ``Let me add that the seizure of foreign assets and accounts of Russian companies and individuals is also a lesson for domestic businesses that there is nothing as reliable as investing in one’s own country. I personally have said that a number of times.''
01:36 verisimilitude I can think of some issues Russian businesses have had. It would be nice if US businesses would learn this lesson already, or at least stop cutting off air from everyone else.
01:45 verisimilitude ``We will focus on protecting mothers and children and supporting families with children. We have already made a decision – you know about it – to introduce as of April 1 payments for children aged 8 through 16 in low-income families. The size of the payment will range from 50 to 100 percent of the subsistence minimum for every child. Currently the national average is up to 12,300 rubles. Thus, we will have a uniform system of
01:45 verisimilitude It's nice to see Russia and Ukraine agree on valuing women more highly than men.
01:46 asciilifeform verisimilitude: spoiler: the 'pay people (chicken change) to birth' thing didn't work
01:48 verisimilitude I can see the US telling TSMC to stop supplying chips to Russia.
01:48 verisimilitude ``What, you think Russia will protect you from the CCP?''
01:50 asciilifeform verisimilitude: tw is a usg muppet, stopped even before formally ordered
01:51 verisimilitude See, I saw it so well it already happened.
01:59 asciilifeform lol
~ 39 minutes ~
02:39 verisimilitude Do we agree with the perspective of every country seemingly being in major disarray?
02:40 verisimilitude That is, that it feels less like ``Which fighter will win?'' and more like ``Which retarded old man will shit himself to death last?''.
02:44 verisimilitude I may have a warped perspective, but every government seems hopelessly incompetent.
~ 25 minutes ~
03:10 signpost http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-03-17#1085368 << wouldn't load for me, ty!
03:10 dulapbot Logged on 2022-03-17 21:08:25 asciilifeform: signpost: orig txt in eng. ( paste, as the .ru www is under heady ddos ) for your enjoyment.
03:12 signpost http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-03-17#1085374 << from over here, looks like both systems failed.
03:12 dulapbot Logged on 2022-03-17 21:24:24 verisimilitude: It's really tiring seeing people act as if communists, with their higher kill count, be better than national socialists, just because they had different intents. It's a meme.
03:13 signpost doesn't look like putin's resurrecting communism either.
03:15 signpost http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-03-17#1085382 << sign of humanity eh? any society that doesn't treat men as expendable ends up drowning in xy weaklings.
03:15 dulapbot Logged on 2022-03-17 21:44:44 verisimilitude: It's nice to see Russia and Ukraine agree on valuing women more highly than men.
03:15 verisimilitude Any society that allows women to vote ends up fucking itself to death, as well.
03:16 signpost entertains the hell out of me to bring this up to american feminists. "we agree without reservation that more men must die"
03:16 signpost made several friends with that one!
03:16 signpost verisimilitude: voting doesn't look like it works for anyone.
03:16 verisimilitude Not with so many voters, certainly not.
03:17 verisimilitude I saw a funny joke, signpost.
03:17 signpost problem is we ran that experiment, and over time the standards weaken.
03:17 signpost http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-03-17#1085389 << yes, it's a dark age.
03:17 dulapbot Logged on 2022-03-17 22:38:51 verisimilitude: Do we agree with the perspective of every country seemingly being in major disarray?
03:17 signpost will be remembered as such if anyone left to remember.
03:18 signpost verisimilitude: go ahead with the joke
03:18 verisimilitude Two feminists are holding signs. One reads ``Kill all men.'', and the other ``Kill all REAL men.'', with the former holder disgusted at the ``trans-exclusionary'' attitude of the latter.
03:18 signpost lol
03:18 signpost that one's pretty good
03:18 signpost somebody called my wife a TERF once, and she had to look it up.
03:19 signpost this in response to her believing that males shouldn't be beating the shit out of women in sports.
03:19 signpost even if they're castrated.
~ 2 hours 35 minutes ~
05:54 verisimilitude I was wondering why an adjective, MAGNIFICVS, was so very irregular in terms of its comparative and superlative forms.
05:55 verisimilitude I checked my copy of the OLD and got nothing like the answer from my learning book.
05:55 verisimilitude I realized I'd been very skillfully misreading that part of the margin each time.
05:55 verisimilitude It's much easier to remember now.
05:57 verisimilitude The comparative forms of MVLTĪ are PLŪRĒS and PLŪRA, the superlative PLŪRIMĪ, PLŪRIMAE, and PLŪRIMA.
~ 5 hours 5 minutes ~
11:03 vex cdd. it's okay to link your weblog
11:06 vex that new cunt sounds pretty, whatchu call it? smooth
11:08 vex i'm also in love
11:09 vex I think the snow is a trick tho
11:11 * vex sends big grins. don't get me wtrong
11:15 vex x-m with a microscope
11:17 vex you're x sir. embrace it
11:18 vex two bitsie glass says yes. I missed a fuckup
11:19 vex ye cANNE HANDA MANNNA GRANDA HAMMER
11:23 vex SOUNDED BETTER IN MY HEAD
11:23 vex and caps still on
11:28 vex we'll dye your beard grey yet
~ 1 hours 46 minutes ~
13:15 shinohai Is this the same zx2c4 that lurks here? https://www.zx2c4.com/projects/linux-rng-5.17-5.18/
~ 58 minutes ~
14:13 asciilifeform shinohai: iirc yes
14:15 mangol what's up with vex?
14:20 shinohai Your experience with vex will vary by moon phases.
~ 42 minutes ~
15:02 zx2c4 shinohai: c'est moi !
15:03 zx2c4 Happy to answer questions about that post if youve got any
15:04 shinohai zx2c4: Will dive in yer post this afternoon, someone shared it with me on telegram via HN
~ 2 hours 25 minutes ~
17:29 asciilifeform $ticker btc usd
17:29 busybot Current BTC price in USD: $41519.47
17:29 asciilifeform !w poll
17:29 watchglass Polling 15 nodes...
17:29 watchglass 94.176.238.102:8333 : Could not connect!
17:29 watchglass 54.39.156.171:8333 : (ns562940.ip-54-39-156.net) Alive: (0.121s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=727937
17:29 watchglass 205.134.172.4:8333 : (172-4.core.ai.net) Alive: (0.082s) V=70001 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.7.0.1/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=727937
17:29 watchglass 205.134.172.27:8333 : Alive: (0.084s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=727937 (Operator: asciilifeform)
17:29 watchglass 205.134.172.26:8333 : Alive: (0.081s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Return Addr=0.0.0.0:8333 Blocks=727937
17:29 watchglass 71.191.220.241:8333 : (pool-71-191-220-241.washdc.fios.verizon.net) Alive: (0.094s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=727937 (Operator: asciilifeform)
17:29 watchglass 205.134.172.6:8333 : (172-6.core.ai.net) Alive: (0.141s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Return Addr=0.0.0.0:8333 Blocks=727937
17:29 watchglass 205.134.172.28:8333 : Alive: (0.022s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Return Addr=0.0.0.0:8333 Blocks=727937 (Operator: whaack)
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17:29 watchglass 54.38.94.63:8333 : (ns3140226.ip-54-38-94.eu) Alive: (0.199s) V=88888 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.8.88.88/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=727937
17:30 watchglass 82.79.58.192:8333 : (static-82-79-58-192.rdsnet.ro) Alive: (0.701s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=727937
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17:30 watchglass 103.6.212.28:8333 : Alive: (0.505s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Return Addr=0.0.0.0:8333 Blocks=328251 (Operator: whaack)
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17:31 watchglass 143.202.160.10:8333 : Busy? (No answer in 100 sec.)
17:35 whaack awt: crossthreading because i don't have new blatta setup, have you tried developing lisp with emacs/swank/slime?
17:35 whaack you can use 'evil' mode in emacs to get the vi command bindings, from what i understand
17:36 whaack when i was using CL i was using SBCL and the above 3
~ 17 minutes ~
17:54 thimbronion whaack: it's been ages since I used emacs/swank/slime. I did the search/archiving work using vim/some lisp plugin.
17:55 thimbronion I'm just gonna try out LispWorks and see how well debugging multiple processes works. Could come in very hande for pest dev.
~ 40 minutes ~
18:35 verisimilitude Be thimbronion the only (n)vi(m) user here?
18:39 thimbronion mp was a vim user. not here, obviously.
~ 21 minutes ~
19:00 * shinohai also uses vim ....
19:12 mats vim master race
~ 53 minutes ~
20:05 signpost emacs makes for a perfectly acceptable vim
20:06 * signpost is a sick bastard that uses former with evil mode
20:14 crtdaydreams echo "setxkbmap -option caps:escape" >> ~/.xinitrc
20:14 crtdaydreams or you're a truly sick bastard
20:22 * asciilifeform used vi at various times 'not from a good life' (sysoping boxen where nuffin else present) but not attempted to program with it when had a choice, sees as a brutal ugh
20:24 signpost crtdaydreams: defo have escape swapped to capslock.
20:25 signpost asciilifeform: vimscript is iirc abominable
20:28 verisimilitude I can use ed, but rather wouldn't.
20:29 verisimilitude So, why use (n)vi(m)?
20:42 crtdaydreams verisimilitude: not asciilifeform, but I did try nvim for a while. It's more of a coad editor than vi/vim with more programming oriented features and plugins.
20:45 crtdaydreams ever tried vim bindings verisimilitude?
20:46 crtdaydreams I also use ~M-x evil-mode~
20:47 crtdaydreams signpost: would like to know, do you use classic emacs + evil, or a hacked variant i.e. Doom, Spacemacs et cetera.
20:54 verisimilitude No.
20:55 crtdaydreams try em. it's like 15 min tutorial after you xbps-install vim
20:56 verisimilitude No.
20:58 crtdaydreams heh, no magick ergonomic kbd is gonna fix the way you use it
21:02 shinohai vim is in busybox, therefore errywhere so nyeh
21:02 shinohai xD
21:03 * crtdaydreams imo good skill to have when working with systems without emacs
21:07 verisimilitude I can use TRAMP.
21:19 signpost crtdaydreams: nah, don't need a bunch of bluehairs getting in the way of my emacs config
21:20 signpost but I use evil-leader with space as leader, so keymap is similar to spacemacs
21:20 signpost didn't need all the hanky additional package management they wrapped emacs in.
21:22 verisimilitude I just audit the code and put it in .emacs.d if I want to use it.
21:23 signpost yep, I don't slurp unsigned shit directly from e.g. melpa either
21:23 signpost takes no time to pull the stuff down manually
21:24 verisimilitude This is getting increasingly silly.
21:26 signpost peasants have an unsatisfied religious urge.
21:26 verisimilitude The importance of Emacs was made clear to me when I wanted to install something, but none of the package managers were an option. Loading some more code into Emacs was easy, however.
21:26 signpost it was a mistake to remove christianity from them.
21:26 verisimilitude They'd just be annoying about that, then.
21:27 signpost whole point was systematizing that, keeping it eating from the same place.
21:27 signpost now, they go around slurping anything that makes them feel that vestigial sin-shame.
21:28 verisimilitude Instead of ``Do you agree that Putin doesn't respect Ukrainian sovereignty and territorial integrity?'', it would be ``Do you agree that Jesus Christ died for your sins?''.
21:28 signpost eh even a few generations back nobody listened to them saying anything.
21:28 signpost point is to have a confucianism to answer their idiot questions before they ask them.
21:28 * signpost grants a better one could be made, but doesn't see on offer.
21:30 verisimilitude There are no idiots in China; I should know, I've watched some Liveleak videos.
21:31 signpost lol
21:32 * signpost imagines much of chinese traditional (meaning of-long-experience) culture was zilched in the revolution
21:32 signpost just an example of a practical list of rules.
21:40 crtdaydreams Time to resurrect second climacs lol.
21:43 signpost doesn't bother me what people put their time towards, but existing emacs is fine for my needs.
21:43 * signpost has written and fielded a product that used mcclim for UI, wasn't in love with it afterwords.
21:44 signpost the UI was mega-simple, but all I got for my efforts was w/e imaginary cred, at the cost of losing qt which had much more in terms of practical tools.
21:55 crtdaydreams mhm. one of the problems with lisp is no-one can build a sufficiently mature set of libraries that is well-documented, rivals existing libs and well-written.
21:57 crtdaydreams it's simply not fungible. Without commercial support most lisp projects are hobbies at best.
22:04 verisimilitude I can, but I only do it about that about which I care.
22:04 signpost would tweak that slightly. in my experience sbcl and clozurecl were both *quite* useful commercially; however, couldn't rely on 3rd-party libs much at all, yes.
22:04 verisimilitude Damn, I didn't proofread well enough.
22:05 crtdaydreams bbl
22:05 signpost and don't expect to avoid debugging and patching the ones you do use.
22:05 verisimilitude I was surprised to see exactly one other doubly-linked list library, and my design is better.
22:05 * signpost had a bitch of a time with cl+ssl years back
22:08 signpost other items are done, and *benefit* from the lack of mainstream "open source" interest
22:08 signpost I've never once been disappointed in hunchentoot. don't touch it; it's done.
22:11 signpost looks like that one's actually getting some patches here and there on shithub, but I've got old versions around that work just fine.
22:20 asciilifeform http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-03-18#1085495 << lol!! a++, encore plz
22:20 dulapbot Logged on 2022-03-18 17:23:43 verisimilitude: This is getting increasingly silly.
22:20 dulapbot Logged on 2022-03-17 14:44:23 asciilifeform: verisimilitude: difficult to object to this, asciilifeform a++ in favour of over9000x moar of this behaviour, what else could possibly stand a chance of curing ru, cn, et al from reich shitware
22:21 * asciilifeform saw in ru noose 'ministry of xyz recs not to update opensoreswares...'
22:22 asciilifeform picture, 6w ago this'd've been in the realm of asciilifeform's 'science fiction'
22:23 asciilifeform ( apropos, in orc lulz )
22:24 verisimilitude What a brave new world, where a stupid faggot can become known globally for a Github commit.
22:25 asciilifeform herostratus
22:25 verisimilitude Sure, but at least he was tortured to death for it.
22:28 asciilifeform http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-03-18#1085513 << there is a moar fundamental problem -- the lack of a workable and impedance-matched gui lib even in principle on extant os
22:28 dulapbot Logged on 2022-03-18 17:44:03 signpost: the UI was mega-simple, but all I got for my efforts was w/e imaginary cred, at the cost of losing qt which had much more in terms of practical tools.
22:28 dulapbot Logged on 2022-01-04 14:23:38 asciilifeform: the 1 i got furthest with, was qt, with a modified 'qtextedit'. but is dog-slow, flickers, misreads clicks, mishighlights, buggy as all hell
22:28 signpost yup, qt sucked ass also.
22:28 signpost just differently
22:28 signpost poverty vs byzantine hell
22:28 verisimilitude UNIX isn't a graphical operating system.
22:29 asciilifeform ( see e.g. asciilifeform's gui saga )
22:29 dulapbot Logged on 2022-01-04 08:47:44 asciilifeform: neither wx, nor qt, nor gtk, permit any such thing, and asciilifeform's many attempts to kludge it into existence led nowhere.
22:29 dulapbot Logged on 2022-01-03 18:30:39 asciilifeform: fucked with 'wx', 'qt', bought the fucking books, worked through all known public examples of anyffin even vaguely resembling hypertext editors, tried with raw x11, # of misc. horrors. all to 0 useful result.
22:29 dulapbot Logged on 2020-07-03 19:25:16 asciilifeform: went through 3 diff gui libs : native 'gtk' ; 'wxwidgets' ; finally 'qt' . none of'em could do it!!
22:29 asciilifeform verisimilitude: the various 'graphical os' also aint actually programmably graphical, hilariously
22:30 asciilifeform can't do linked $item in any of'em
22:30 asciilifeform (w/out writing entire animation stack, font shitter, etc. from 0)
22:33 asciilifeform http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-03-18#1085504 << they have this baked already, called harvard/nyt complex, and simply moved center from rome, and continuing a wankage from 600y ago w/out skipping a beat
22:33 dulapbot Logged on 2022-03-18 17:28:04 signpost: point is to have a confucianism to answer their idiot questions before they ask them.
22:33 dulapbot Logged on 2022-03-18 17:25:48 signpost: it was a mistake to remove christianity from them.
22:33 dulapbot Logged on 2022-02-28 14:43:20 asciilifeform: verisimilitude: moar interesting is the 'big pic' -- the current war in fact started from 4th crusade, and continues episodically in form of various 'drang nach osten' by impoverished western eureichs, who will not give up dream of 'lebensraum' and delish phree minerals from 'unfairly squatted by orcs' 1/6th of planet3
22:35 asciilifeform http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-03-18#1085508 << per modern cn, they ditched maladaptive legacy
22:35 dulapbot Logged on 2022-03-18 17:31:20 signpost: imagines much of chinese traditional (meaning of-long-experience) culture was zilched in the revolution
22:35 dulapbot Logged on 2022-03-16 18:46:35 verisimilitude: That really helped them during the Opium Wars, asciilifeform.
22:37 asciilifeform http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-03-18#1085496 << they seem rather satisfied, w/ their '8 minute hates' etc., moar so than ever
22:37 dulapbot Logged on 2022-03-18 17:25:39 signpost: peasants have an unsatisfied religious urge.
22:38 signpost eh no, the current peasant religion is evidently unstable
22:38 signpost which is why trump's now jesus to the tards on one side, and similiar messianism on other
22:39 asciilifeform hell, e.g. trostky is still apparently jizzus to somebody
22:39 asciilifeform jizzi can last for a while
22:39 signpost would grant all are unstable given long enough timeline. point was merely that american peasant firmware is garbage given available comparisons.
22:41 signpost re: religions of higher strata of caste system, after the miami ru expat thread, and putins speech on the matter, was thinking how much worse it is that to our oligarchs, miami is the whole planet, and home is nowhere.
22:48 verisimilitude Hey, www.loper-os.org is down.
22:50 signpost works here
22:51 verisimilitude Nevermind then.
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