00:04 |
billymg |
regarding operating systems, i searched in the logs for any mention of 'grapheneOS' and found none. my gut tells me it's not much better than off the shelf android, and perhaps worse because it gives you a false sense of security whereas with stock you're conscious of the fact it's already pwned |
00:05 |
billymg |
has anyone here ever looked into it or tried it out? |
00:18 |
signpost |
nope, but personally my phone's one of the "eh, fuck it" devices. |
00:18 |
signpost |
satan's coming in through the cell chip, not the OS |
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00:19 |
signpost |
iirc graphene's one of the distros that rips out the google services, and builds with a hardened toolchain, that sort of thing? |
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00:37 |
billymg |
signpost: i figured as much. i bought a couple of these from a local shop just in case, but yeah, i'm sure they still suffer from this only with less convenience |
00:37 |
dulapbot |
Logged on 2021-08-28 20:13:59 signpost: satan's coming in through the cell chip, not the OS |
00:38 |
billymg |
i figure they might be useful if i can find a bum to buy some sim cards for me, but also don't think i'm all that interesting at the moment to warrant the effort |
00:39 |
billymg |
http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-08-28#1054314 << basically it from what i can see on their www |
00:39 |
dulapbot |
Logged on 2021-08-28 20:15:19 signpost: iirc graphene's one of the distros that rips out the google services, and builds with a hardened toolchain, that sort of thing? |
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~ 6 hours 34 minutes ~ |
07:13 |
vex |
[http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-08-27#1054163] better get two |
07:13 |
dulapbot |
Logged on 2021-08-27 14:54:52 shinohai: Does precisely what I need it to do. |
07:21 |
vex |
boofhead |
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~ 37 minutes ~ |
07:59 |
vex |
[http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-08-27#1054141] <<< theres a nonzero chance mp glanced off the ionoshpre on his way to heaven |
07:59 |
dulapbot |
Logged on 2021-08-27 14:33:41 asciilifeform: mildly curious wtf this is for (if anyffin) -- finished 'by inertia' after hitlerkaput? or eulorism still in some sense going (funded by whom?) or what |
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~ 19 minutes ~ |
08:19 |
vex |
hanbot et all can be happy with thier new tis, but they must aknowlege the possibility |
08:20 |
vex |
sunday session with vex |
08:22 |
vex |
if you can feek em bae, let a bee sting it |
08:32 |
vex |
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9gdhXTi7Tx8 |
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~ 19 minutes ~ |
08:52 |
vex |
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QjAta8xLg3M |
08:59 |
vex |
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YMRYIRnVhlE |
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~ 16 minutes ~ |
09:15 |
vex |
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dgK21zCLdf8 @ alf |
09:19 |
vex |
sunday sessions |
09:20 |
vex |
0RJwW77Lsj8 |
09:20 |
vex |
go go google |
09:21 |
vex |
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iNPA68htGxk |
09:25 |
vex |
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T-XjUHr3hzU so emo |
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~ 8 hours 44 minutes ~ |
18:10 |
thestringpuller |
shinohai: when did you become a coomer? (referencing twitter) |
18:20 |
shinohai |
thestringpuller: When have I *not* been is the real question? |
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~ 16 minutes ~ |
18:36 |
billymg |
asciilifeform: i've got a pretty clean new box now using upstream along with your ban list (typing from weechat on here currently) but it seems X requires dbus so i'm sort of stuck there at the moment |
18:39 |
billymg |
it looks like at one point you had a recipe for configuring X without dbus but the referenced paste is dead now |
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18:39 |
dulapbot |
(trilema) 2016-03-03 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the given magic will take you to, e.g., fully-functioning x11 emacs, irc clients, etc. that build sans dbus. |
18:41 |
billymg |
i'm trying to decide if it's worth it for this box (again, this is going to be for doing bitdash and mp-wp development, doesn't have to be military grade) or if i should just unmask dbus |
18:46 |
asciilifeform |
billymg: you include "-dbus" in USE and when emerging things, --nodeps , and resolve all (yes) config eggogs manually. |
18:46 |
asciilifeform |
which is why took asciilifeform weeks. |
18:47 |
asciilifeform |
billymg: neither xorg nor any of its deps ~actually~ link against it (in fact i'm not certain that it even comes with linkable libs), the dependency is bogus |
18:48 |
asciilifeform |
another way to resolve it would be to manually edit it out of the ports (and then rehash'em) but i did the long way. |
18:49 |
billymg |
asciilifeform: thanks. qq re: USE flags in make.conf: after changing, `emerge --newuse` sufficient to load new values? |
18:49 |
billymg |
or does --newuse apply to something else |
18:49 |
asciilifeform |
billymg: i normally 'source /etc/make.conf' and ordinary emerge. |
18:50 |
asciilifeform |
alternatively can USE="..." emerge... on commandline. |
18:50 |
asciilifeform |
billymg: keep in mind that virtually all emerge --nodeps ... attempts fail on 1st (2nd... 10th..) try |
18:50 |
asciilifeform |
you end up manually doing the work of the deps resolver |
18:51 |
billymg |
asciilifeform: got it, i had already included a -dbus flag in USE and got the same error. will try with --nodeps |
18:51 |
asciilifeform |
( why do this ? well, on a well-used gentoo box, with decade+ of upstream rot as well, the resolver doesn't work worth half a shit, goes in endless circles... ) |
18:52 |
asciilifeform |
gentoo, 'the worst' linux, 'except for all the others'(tm) |
18:53 |
asciilifeform |
http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-08-29#1054340 << >> https://archive.is/VA3ov |
18:53 |
dulapbot |
Logged on 2021-08-29 14:35:12 billymg: it looks like at one point you had a recipe for configuring X without dbus but the referenced paste is dead now |
18:54 |
shinohai |
I always use `-p` flag before emergin package to see what shit it's gonna pull in and see if I can tweak USE flags, etc. accordingly. |
18:54 |
asciilifeform |
shinohai: this is only useful on a box where no circular wedges |
18:54 |
asciilifeform |
( on mind it nets a 5+min wheel spinning and 3km of barfola ) |
18:54 |
asciilifeform |
*mine |
18:58 |
asciilifeform |
asciilifeform's verdict from his recent experiments is that yes -- it ~is~ possible to bake a 'gentoo as it was in 2007' 100% working item, outta the current morass. but not trivially, and to keep it functioning is full-time work for at least 2 people. |
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18:59 |
asciilifeform |
('functioning' here meaning 'installable in the traditional gentoo way', vs. freezedried dulap-style binary image) |
19:00 |
asciilifeform |
(... and with working portage tree) |
19:00 |
asciilifeform |
these two people do not exist, and so there aint gonna be such a gentoo. |
19:01 |
shinohai |
:( |
19:01 |
asciilifeform |
( there's limitless supply of liquishit, tho, if you need it for sumthing!! ) |
19:03 |
billymg |
asciilifeform: configure: error: systemd-logind requested, but D-Bus is not installed. |
19:03 |
asciilifeform |
billymg: you gotta ban it |
19:03 |
billymg |
^ after a few rounds of manually installing missing deps |
19:03 |
asciilifeform |
how, was linked in log, lemme find |
19:03 |
asciilifeform |
here iirc |
19:03 |
dulapbot |
Logged on 2021-08-05 15:41:05 asciilifeform: 'Get ride of systemd-tmpfiles' |
19:05 |
asciilifeform |
( do NOT permit systemd-logind, it is a supposedly-neutered but in fact complete copy of systemd , that the traitorous gentoo maintainers force-install on explicitly 'non-systemd' setup) |
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19:08 |
asciilifeform |
billymg: asciilifeform's /etc/portage/package.mask/systemd , for reference. |
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19:09 |
* |
asciilifeform sick and tired of the expiring pastes; signpost do you suppose it's possible to mark pastes which appear in log as non-expiring..? |
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19:09 |
* |
asciilifeform will paste, for perma-log: |
19:09 |
asciilifeform |
sys-apps/systemd |
19:09 |
asciilifeform |
sys-apps/systemd-tmpfiles |
19:09 |
asciilifeform |
sys-fs/udev |
19:09 |
asciilifeform |
sys-auth/polkit |
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19:09 |
asciilifeform |
sys-auth/consolekit |
19:09 |
asciilifeform |
virtual/tmpfiles |
19:09 |
asciilifeform |
sys-apps/dbus |
19:10 |
billymg |
ty asciilifeform |
19:10 |
asciilifeform |
billymg: np |
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19:28 |
asciilifeform |
$ticker btc usd |
19:28 |
busybot |
Current BTC price in USD: $48850.55 |
19:28 |
asciilifeform |
!w poll |
19:28 |
watchglass |
Polling 17 nodes... |
19:28 |
watchglass |
185.85.38.54:8333 : Could not connect! |
19:28 |
watchglass |
84.16.46.130:8333 : Could not connect! |
19:28 |
watchglass |
185.163.46.29:8333 : Could not connect! |
19:28 |
watchglass |
205.134.172.4:8333 : (172-4.core.ai.net) Alive: (0.082s) V=70001 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.7.0.1/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=698168 |
19:28 |
watchglass |
205.134.172.26:8333 : Alive: (0.081s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Return Addr=0.0.0.0:8333 Blocks=698167 |
19:28 |
watchglass |
54.39.156.171:8333 : (ns562940.ip-54-39-156.net) Alive: (0.114s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=698168 |
19:28 |
watchglass |
205.134.172.6:8333 : (172-6.core.ai.net) Alive: (0.094s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Return Addr=0.0.0.0:8333 Blocks=698167 |
19:28 |
watchglass |
54.38.94.63:8333 : (ns3140226.ip-54-38-94.eu) Alive: (0.257s) V=88888 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.8.88.88/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=698168 |
19:28 |
watchglass |
143.202.160.10:8333 : Alive: (0.294s) V=70001 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.7.0.1/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=698168 |
19:29 |
watchglass |
213.109.238.156:8333 : Alive: (0.332s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=698168 |
19:29 |
watchglass |
208.94.240.42:8333 : Alive: (0.700s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=698168 |
19:29 |
watchglass |
205.134.172.27:8333 : Alive: (0.090s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=698167 (Operator: asciilifeform) |
19:29 |
watchglass |
205.134.172.28:8333 : Alive: (0.539s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Return Addr=0.0.0.0:8333 Blocks=698168 (Operator: whaack) |
19:29 |
watchglass |
71.191.220.241:8333 : (pool-71-191-220-241.washdc.fios.verizon.net) Alive: (0.554s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=698167 (Operator: asciilifeform) |
19:29 |
watchglass |
103.36.92.112:8333 : (terebe.ns01.net) Alive: (0.884s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=698167 |
19:29 |
watchglass |
176.9.59.199:8333 : Violated BTC Protocol: Bad header length! (Operator: jurov) |
19:30 |
watchglass |
192.151.158.26:8333 : Busy? (No answer in 100 sec.) |
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20:04 |
signpost |
asciilifeform: no, I'm not hosting pastes forever. |
20:05 |
asciilifeform |
signpost: fair'nuff. asciilifeform would happily emplace said script on own box, however, if signpost publishes same. |
20:05 |
asciilifeform |
wat's the grand total mass of pastes to date (incl. #t era) ? i'd be surprised if even 1GB |
20:06 |
asciilifeform |
( ideally the way it oughta work is, paste GC'd in, say, 5min, unless link appears in log ) |
20:09 |
signpost |
hasn't to do with weight, but with denying endless resource usage to all-comers. |
20:09 |
signpost |
and yeah, you can have the paste script. will snag for ya in a bit. |
20:09 |
asciilifeform |
not urgent matter imho |
20:09 |
asciilifeform |
but is ftr on asciilifeform's multi-km 'wish list' |
20:12 |
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asciilifeform bbl |
20:13 |
signpost |
asciilifeform: http://paste.deedbot.org/?id=nuqY |
20:13 |
signpost |
lulzily simple, oughta be able to drop it into a dir on your blog box or something. |
20:15 |
signpost |
(also, somebody just write an even-shitty DHT, and let that be the proper archival location for all time) |
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20:15 |
* |
signpost rowing in that direction also, but imho better for many candidates for infrastructure than 0 or 1. |
20:21 |
asciilifeform |
signpost: ty! |
20:22 |
asciilifeform |
loox pretty simple. ( the gc part i expect , will be the tricky bit, when i finally get a chance to do this.. ) |
20:23 |
asciilifeform |
http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-08-29#1054419 << ftr, imho the pill here. |
20:23 |
dulapbot |
Logged on 2021-08-29 16:10:22 signpost: (also, somebody just write an even-shitty DHT, and let that be the proper archival location for all time) |
20:23 |
dulapbot |
Logged on 2021-08-27 14:55:03 asciilifeform: ftr the properly generalized item vtron is a shadow of, looks like this, rather than like 'git' etc abortions. |
20:23 |
dulapbot |
Logged on 2020-03-19 12:32:20 asciilifeform: why the hell is a typical public www bound to 1 box? specifically, why could not exist as an auto-mirrorable directory of signed material ? |
20:23 |
signpost |
100% |
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22:23 |
billymg |
well, some progress... |
22:24 |
billymg |
i used that guy's guide to rebuild openrc from his custom ebuild, then used his xorg ebuild and was able to build that as well |
22:26 |
billymg |
i think something might've gotten fucked up with ncurses though, i'm seeing strange/stuck characters in weechat and links, e.g. │ |
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22:30 |
billymg |
also, i'm now trying to get startx actually working, and looking at the gentoo guide for non-root-x it seems like i need to have at least elogind (which i think i removed because the xorg-server ebuild on his github wanted to pull in dbus if either systemd or elogind were present) |
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22:36 |
billymg |
ahh, it's some | like character being displayed as a 'aOA' (but with ^ accents over each letter), among other strangeness |
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23:24 |
billymg |
ok, fixed that by rebuilding his openrc but with unicode support |
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23:24 |
dulapbot |
Logged on 2021-08-29 18:22:06 billymg: i think something might've gotten fucked up with ncurses though, i'm seeing strange/stuck characters in weechat and links, e.g. │ |
23:24 |
billymg |
now back to figuring out non-root xorg... |
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23:43 |
billymg |
ok, that wasn't too difficult. found this item and recompiled xorg-server with suid |