08:03 |
jurov |
slackware? |
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~ 1 hours 24 minutes ~ |
09:27 |
asciilifeform |
wb jurov ! |
09:28 |
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asciilifeform not tried slackware. |
09:29 |
asciilifeform |
did try a purportedly systemd-free 'modern' linux -- 'artix'. needed to serve a commercial client who traditionally used 'arch'. |
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09:30 |
asciilifeform |
'artix' indeed is systemd-free. but many of the packages (e.g. 'cups') do not work; and device hotplugging is mysteriously broken (mass storage -- worx; usb-to-serial -- not; and this despite a known-good kernel. it's whatever the thing has instead of udev that's a dud) |
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09:33 |
asciilifeform |
jurov: iirc BingoBoingo also experimented with a 'modern' and purportedly depoetteringized linux. but can't recall which |
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~ 50 minutes ~ |
10:23 |
trinque |
devuan's the no-systemd debian fork |
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~ 27 minutes ~ |
10:51 |
trinque |
none of these are particularly satisfying these days, which is why I tend to use gentoo or my own thing. |
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~ 2 hours 1 minutes ~ |
12:53 |
asciilifeform |
trinque: would luvv to find 1 of these that 100% worx, even in the sense of 'all proggys which ran on asciilifeform's gentoo, run identically' but so far no dice |
12:54 |
asciilifeform |
in 'artix', for instance, traditional 'ifconfig' util is vanished and no ready way to restore. instead of it there's some heathen thing 'ip' with entirely different commands, for no detectable reason |
12:55 |
asciilifeform |
and, as mentioned earlier, given as it sucks packages from 'arch' repos, many proggys refuse to run after installation, as they expect systemd. 'cups' printer util is one example. |
12:56 |
asciilifeform |
in that same linux, classical 'alsa' worx, but only for pci soundcard, and not for usb. (the mobo in question had built-in audio, which turned out to sit on usb internally..) |
12:57 |
asciilifeform |
and other weird dysfunctions. scrollback in shell, for instance, leaves visible artifacts/garbage. found 0 info on www re why. |
12:57 |
asciilifeform |
perhaps this has been a thing for years on heathen linux, and asciilifeform only now found out 'new normal'(tm) |
13:07 |
trinque |
you know, for all the scoffing at openbsd, every time I pick it up, works. |
13:12 |
asciilifeform |
trinque: i had a number of issues with it. |
13:12 |
snsabot |
(trilema) 2017-07-22 asciilifeform: mod6: i'm using the i386, on old lappy, and it dies similarly |
13:12 |
snsabot |
(trilema) 2017-06-08 asciilifeform: in other noose, nobody on planet3 seems to know how to disable serialport flowcontrol on openbsd. |
13:12 |
snsabot |
(trilema) 2017-03-28 asciilifeform: and i thought my openbsd 'libretto' that loses its x11 frame buffer was rotten |
13:13 |
asciilifeform |
( complete chronology for the curious.) |
13:13 |
asciilifeform |
most direly, there is no equivalent of gentoo's USE flags, so there's no reliable way to depoetteringize the ports, other than by not using the ports tree at all. |
13:15 |
asciilifeform |
i suppose, like all other sadware, there's some circumscribed universe where it 'works' (e.g. irons from bush II era, no softs but apache, etc) -- but for workstation, can't imagine who and how lives with it |
13:17 |
asciilifeform |
afaik to this day there is not a reliable port of trb to openbsd. (and not because no one tried) |
13:20 |
trinque |
phf did, just didn't publish, irrc |
13:20 |
trinque |
*iirc |
13:20 |
trinque |
at any rate, "every man for himself". I published an item tiny enough it doesn't need use flags to cull further. |
13:21 |
asciilifeform |
apparently he did mention it once and no moar |
13:21 |
trinque |
last movement on that was dpb couldn't be brought to give a shit, since not spoonfed |
13:21 |
asciilifeform |
trinque: am i mistaken that your recipe required a debian box to bootstrap from? |
13:22 |
trinque |
the use of debootstrap to bootstrap is an option. I'm not tuning it to everyone's pet gentoo. |
13:23 |
trinque |
trivially, some set of binaries is required to begin. |
13:24 |
asciilifeform |
trinque: indeed |
13:24 |
trinque |
also, the idea that folks bootstrap from wherever they sit, and see if they get bin-identical output was perhaps lost on all but asciilifeform |
13:24 |
asciilifeform |
trinque: i dun expect you to tune it to other people's gentoo, lol |
13:24 |
asciilifeform |
whole point is that, aha, erryone must find path from his to working build, a la rotor |
13:25 |
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asciilifeform not, sadly, had time to go through this process yet |
13:25 |
trinque |
sure, and how interesting if not bin-identical |
13:25 |
asciilifeform |
aha! |
13:25 |
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trinque does not blame asciilifeform, who has actual projects. |
13:25 |
trinque |
others may consider picking up an oar. |
13:26 |
* |
trinque recently has been filling in gaps in the kademlia guy's online-codes paper. much was unspecified other than the core algo |
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13:26 |
asciilifeform |
trinque: the fountain-code algo ? (i recall we did several of these, which one was this?) |
13:29 |
trinque |
yep https://archive.is/D4Rty |
13:29 |
asciilifeform |
a. |
13:29 |
trinque |
huh, guess archive.is doesn't eat pdf well |
13:29 |
trinque |
guess one downloads the zip for that |
13:29 |
* |
asciilifeform pulls the hardcopy from file cabinet. |
13:30 |
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trinque has backups also, figures this webpage will eventually rot, or maymounkov found to have once fucked someone, or etc |
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13:42 |
asciilifeform |
trinque: don't hesitate to post your 'filling in', if you've the time |
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~ 29 minutes ~ |
14:12 |
trinque |
yeah, in time. no surprises though. author assumes "friendly wire", i.e. one where udp checksum can be trusted. certain essential metadata is external to the encoding. |
14:12 |
trinque |
lots of places for enemy to impose unbounded cost |
14:14 |
asciilifeform |
trinque: i'm not aware of any fountain schemes where the fragging can be used 'naked' i.e. w/out signatures |
14:14 |
asciilifeform |
it aint a substitute for rsa. |
14:19 |
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trinque will have to load the thing back into head later to speak more specifically, but thought that the enemy not knowing what xor paths to take across the check-block graph combined with the fact that xor does not lose randomness might yield something useful |
14:19 |
trinque |
but 100% agree that RSA comes in. |
14:19 |
trinque |
also interesting that xor paths don't have to transit just "your" blocks. can transit any number of blocks you may have seen in the past. |
14:20 |
trinque |
anyhow, orig. author didn't even specify a binary protocol, just fountain algo, that I've seen |
14:21 |
asciilifeform |
trinque: both of the above were applications we spoke of for fountains (in one case, as a pill against known-plaintext cryptoanalysis and possib. substitute for traditional 'padding' schemes; in the other -- as a proof-of-having-blocks-on-disk scheme) but were separate things |
14:22 |
asciilifeform |
the application i was thinking of in this thread was the third one -- where civilized replacement for tcp. |
14:29 |
trinque |
yep, the frame I've been thinking in is p2p chat, as I don't intend to remain on freenode forever. |
14:30 |
trinque |
that frame easily generalizes to other graphs of nodes hucking wads of ??? at each other. |
14:35 |
asciilifeform |
makes sense. |
14:36 |
asciilifeform |
tho if narrowly specific to chat, rather than general-purpose parcels a la tcp, not clear why needs fountains -- a signed 'line' of reasonable length could fit in 1 packet |
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~ 4 hours 54 minutes ~ |
19:30 |
asciilifeform |
$ticker btc usd |
19:30 |
btcinfobot |
Current BTC price in USD: $43168.79 |
19:31 |
asciilifeform |
!w poll |
19:31 |
watchglass |
Polling 16 nodes... |
19:31 |
watchglass |
84.16.46.130:8333 : Could not connect! |
19:31 |
watchglass |
185.163.46.29:8333 : Could not connect! |
19:31 |
watchglass |
205.134.172.6:8333 : (172-6.core.ai.net) Alive: (0.082s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Return Addr=0.0.0.0:8333 Blocks=684027 |
19:31 |
watchglass |
108.31.170.100:8333 : (pool-108-31-170-100.washdc.fios.verizon.net) Alive: (0.034s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=684027 (Operator: asciilifeform) |
19:31 |
watchglass |
205.134.172.26:8333 : Alive: (0.082s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Return Addr=0.0.0.0:8333 Blocks=683874 |
19:31 |
watchglass |
205.134.172.4:8333 : (172-4.core.ai.net) Alive: (0.084s) V=70001 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.7.0.1/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=684027 |
19:31 |
watchglass |
54.39.156.171:8333 : (ns562940.ip-54-39-156.net) Alive: (0.107s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=684027 |
19:31 |
watchglass |
24.28.108.235:8333 : (mta-24-28-108-235.tx.rr.com) Alive: (0.172s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=674732 (Operator: trinque) |
19:31 |
watchglass |
192.151.158.26:8333 : Alive: (0.204s) V=70001 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.7.0.1/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=684027 |
19:31 |
watchglass |
205.134.172.28:8333 : Alive: (0.145s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Return Addr=0.0.0.0:8333 Blocks=684027 (Operator: whaack) |
19:31 |
watchglass |
208.94.240.42:8333 : Alive: (0.221s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=684027 |
19:31 |
watchglass |
176.9.59.199:8333 : (static.199.59.9.176.clients.your-server.de) Alive: (0.256s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=412049 (Operator: jurov) |
19:31 |
watchglass |
143.202.160.10:8333 : Alive: (0.283s) V=70001 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.7.0.1/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=684027 |
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~ 18 minutes ~ |
19:49 |
verisimilitude |
I'm also slowly working on something tangentially related. |
19:50 |
verisimilitude |
I've yet to review other papers to understand online codes, but any reading guidance would be appreciated. |
19:51 |
verisimilitude |
OpenBSD only works well enough for me on my Lemote Yeeloog; it often froze on other machines, although I ran WWW browsers on those. |
19:54 |
verisimilitude |
That is my Lemote Yeeloong. |
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~ 2 hours 39 minutes ~ |
22:34 |
asciilifeform |
verisimilitude: didja read any of the linked threads? |
22:35 |
asciilifeform |
just about anyffin can be said to 'it worx' if you limit to particular irons, small set of ultra-popular proggys, etc |
22:38 |
asciilifeform |
verisimilitude: this aside -- 'yeelong' is an interesting box, and i tried for many yrs to get hold of one. but no longer, even if found one today, would be 'museum queen', would not want to leave the house with it -- say it gets stolen or rained into etc., where wouldja get another ? |
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22:39 |
asciilifeform |
(recall rms and his nervous breakdown when he lost just such a box in argentina) |
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~ 48 minutes ~ |
23:27 |
verisimilitude |
I've not read them yet, no. |
23:30 |
verisimilitude |
I mostly just use the Yeeloong for IRC, and more recently what APL programming I do, and most recently managing my rented server and so website and whatnot; it's much nicer with the trackball and BAT. |
23:30 |
verisimilitude |
I prefer to leave my home without any electronics. |