#asciilifeform | 2022-08-02

I hope I did not offend PeterL by mentioning money.

00:13

some people are so... human. never had their brain graduated to 'econ' by a shrink.

00:15

in case nobody ever used a graduated cylinder... it's called that because everything is discrete and uniform, like the beans of an accountant.

00:23

if /me were adlai, i'd be inclined to engorge my resume with fiction, and then try to time the interviews so that your awesomely manic brainwaves are approximately level

00:24

dude, I have zero complete sentences in my resume.

00:24

lol

00:25

it's basically a flowchart for answering questions.

00:25

you could just decide where you want to work and arrive one monday

00:26

honestly, I probably oughtta search for work from a negotiating position.

00:26

how do you mean?

00:27

well, I get some sorta warm fuzzy from scrolling through linkedin clicking the "I want information about the salary that this company can pay", except I doubt anybody gives a shit.

00:27

what are you looking for? anything with 6 figures?

00:27

tel aviv is not as cheap as I am.

00:28

obviously, if my boss tells me to stop buying coffee and only drink what the office serves, I'll have to cry into the HR diapers and give up the brew.

00:29

what's us100k in shekels anyway?

00:29

between 3 and 4 hundreds, depending on the decade.

00:30

of course, "shekels are useless, dollars are useless, what is the going rate for euloran copper"

00:31

I burn much less than 100kusd per year, yet once I got almost yelled at for claiming that I didn't need a salary much higher than rent.

00:31

and then people began giving me all kinds of advice about pies.

00:31

yelled at by an employer?

00:31

nah, concerned bystander.

00:31

pies?

00:31

yeah, you draw pies and then begin labelling numbers.

00:31

maybe you have a debt, maybe you have rent. maybe you have kid, maybe you eat squid. whatever.

00:32

yum, squid

00:32

of course, kako told me "never do this, simply avoid ever predicting anything unless people pay you for your time before you spend it."

00:33

in slightly different words

00:34

fwiw, 100kusd is a ridiculous salary for me to demand, considering my expenditures. obviously some people might say it is ridiculous for a programmer of my age to demand anything less... yet, maybe I am "child at heart" and oughtta begin negotiating from minimum wage, always.

00:35

worst case, I quit.

00:35

best case, stick around, become indispensible

00:35

yeah well, people find my github without even me typing a single href attribute

00:36

and then they are sweet, sour, and politely silent.

00:37

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adlai wonders how differently life would have gone if people who were offered bitcoin in the days when it was less of a lifeline had considered common lisp worth learning

00:38

I literally wrote to someone, "I will pay you <some amount of> bitcoin to learn common lisp, because... well, start learning, and then we'll talk again."

00:38

and the conversation roughly went the way of the chat-user-interface.

00:39

if only I'd lurked in those IRC channels viciously enough to have watched the freenode meltdown from #freenode itself!

00:39

maybe I'd have Unified Korean citizenship by now.

00:39

can you play a squeezebox?

00:40

kids are alright kinda deal?

00:40

I might have a position for a manic pianist

00:40

some of your references are beyond the jukebox.

00:41

you know, you're kinda riding high right now right adlai?

00:41

can you tell when you're up?

00:41

well at least there were questions, and questions that answered questions.

00:41

sometimes there are only answers deleted by selves.

00:42

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adlai did spend hours screaming at a typewritten page, "DO NOT EXCEED THE LAMBDA POINT OF LIQUID HELIUM KEYSTROKES PER KELVIN-SECOND", so yeah, I do have a finger on something.

00:43

yeah, cool, this is why I suggested the timing of the interviews

00:44

doesn't the remote work apocalypse fuck that up?

00:45

fucked if I know. you know when you're on an even keel tho

00:47

one possibility is teaching. there was some big strike, and salaries for teachers were raised while simultaneously reminding me, personally, that I don't need any sort of certificate to go school district by school district asking if they have good ratios.

00:48

apparently the main problem in Israel is simply that teachers quit the moment anybody pays them.

00:48

hey, if someone waves 1 milly shekels at you, you'll probably jump ship too

00:49

what if I simply tell them about bitcoin, because someone waving a milly is probably not one of the classroom babies?

00:49

"the only rule of teaching mathematics to babies is that you sell them every week a different altcoin"

00:49

lol

00:50

today class, we're auditing defi projects..

00:50

next week, roleplay parasitic contracts in prediction markets, unless you are athletic, in which case, you are the market.

00:52

Fuck, I'd probably take that class

00:53

what if your parents blame me for you skipping lunch yesterday?

00:53

fuck em, i'm making bank

00:54

why is my cranium pounding the pokemon theme song?

00:54

does job have to be in tel aviv? wall st likes folk that can `think outside the box'

00:55

I might even be blacklisted from the big apple's backchannel gossipnet.

00:55

showed my face, talked, walked.

00:55

meh, fuck em

00:56

what was I supposed to do? burn friend, then wipe away flames with dollar bills and plastic?

00:58

I doubt anybody really draws pie charts of closed scams. if I crossed the atlantic, and returned, I probably profited somehow, no?

00:58

How would I know?

00:59

you never wet feet with dry champagne?

01:00

probably. it does tend to escape the bottle in unexpected ways

01:02

I will remind myself of your suggestion to include more than fragments in my, uh, portfolio.

01:02

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signpost will likely never be able to speak speed.

01:04

signpost: do folks of lonestar require both resume, and curriculum vitae, and the cover is simply yet another piece of crap floating off the portfolio?

01:04

cover _letter_

01:04

wait, adlai, do you use amphetamines?

01:04

I haven't applied for a job in over a decade, no idea.

01:04

vex: quit cold turkey after tapering and relapsing.

01:05

ah.

01:05

when I did, it was more of an in-wot communication thing than paper.

01:06

if I had need of a job right now, I'd probably go check out bartending rather than play business in another globohomo tower.

01:06

wise beyond his years is signpost

01:06

the easiest heuristic is probably piechart of elevator saga.

01:07

if my cigarette breaks are 85% riding the lift, time to learn "sorry, I do not speak foreigner" in swahili.

01:10

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signpost has become mighty boring in the substance dept, even quit coffee.

01:11

I probably oughtta give the fine, dining, and sniftahs industry a chance before declaring myself mathematics professor of baby platoon.

01:12

I assume you don't have a lot tying you down, eh?

01:13

I got asked by one spammer how many shekels I want per month in exchange for my hi-tech programmer soul, and his answer to mine was approximately "you're kidding, bye."

01:13

so I said, wait, we scheduled an entire hour, let's finish talking!

01:14

and the conversation ended around "you did not understand, I did not ask what you want, I asked what you need, and you simply quoted minimum wage, so go suck a government, bitch."

01:14

what's this bizarre thing where you are demanding to be paid almost nothing?

01:15

some programming jobs require you to spend more time studying mathematics than deleting yesterday's idiots' wasted keystrokes.

01:16

maybe it is only a symptom of bitcoin degeneracy?

01:17

fwiw, minimum wage in israel is slightly less shameful than minimum wage in the USA.

01:18

I realise Israel is almost one of the states, and minimum wage varies quite a bit... yet if someone pays me to study, I'm not about to make grand demands like I gotta pay taxis in NYC every day.

01:19

wow, this conversation really was worthwhile... I almost forgot part of my visit to NYC.

01:20

how's this question: will linking my braindump be an even greater career suicide than pretending github does not exist?

01:21

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adlai has considered deleting both github and linkedin accounts before sending even one more resume to a hi-tech company.

01:22

of course, there is always third way... open instagram account, search for design work!

01:22

Personally, I'd sleep on it. For about a week

01:22

let the babies read equations with their own eyeballs.

01:23

fortunately, it is an option.

01:23

excellen t

01:28

got sunglasses? go walk in the sun and eat breakfast.

01:34

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g12f7uDIGZc

01:38

http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/pest/2022-07-03#1008342

01:38

(pest) 2022-07-03 shinohai[asciilifeform]: yummy! Had some lox and eggs myself.

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02:34

apparently i'm off tap.

02:36

I can't even remember what I did

02:37

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZKBwmzH3RAA such is life

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02:57

now i'm dreaming of a widebody kit for old mazdas. add some springy stuff to the composite rear wheel arches.

02:58

shino gets pulled up for pulling 420's.

03:00

.jp tuning shop "okkaren" hit a wall, no damage

03:01

only bespoke composites, fix your aweful engine somewhere else

03:06

oil, tyres, parking. something to eat

03:07

thsirts will pay for the motors

03:08

circle spot right out pront

03:08

stay for a month

03:13

taking your money like adlai's crank man

03:19

here, adlai, buy a lathe

03:21

we'll drive fast and slidy through tokyo hills

03:22

get some breakfast cunt.

03:24

also get a job

03:25

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TS1v7m6tgs0

03:25

what would I do with a lathe? sculpt the breakfast cunt a dildo?

03:26

then, worst case, after lathe accident... at least dildo remains.

03:29

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3n97PnLSR3Q you'll work it out mna

03:30

last time I asked lots of pointed questions about machining, the value of a lathe ended up as "less than one fresh engine block"

03:31

now mind you, I can be unbelievably ignorant on such topics; one time, some guy was showing off his 3D printing website thing, and it had a picture of a 3D printed engine block!

03:31

so of course immediately I ask, "does it work?"

03:32

dude replies, "uh, that is plastic; still, looks like an engine block!"

03:32

and I deadpan, "I don't care if it is plastic, so is kevlar. maybe you use really slow explosive?"

03:34

kevlar is pretty useful

03:35

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adlai does not remember exact denoument of convo; probably ended with "anything worth burning will melt polyvinyl acetate"

03:35

or whatever the plastic was. I hate acronyms.

03:36

i'm trying to fing a song long lost in the logs. kinda like mfg

03:37

time to start annotating your link drops?

03:38

it's a long way back, just ask the ato

03:38

the... what?

03:39

australianb tax office

03:39

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adlai wonders if any of the logbots still support search

03:39

ah lol

03:39

it did smell like a three-letter acronym, except my americanism screamed ALCOHOL TOBACCO AND FIREARMS

03:40

that acronym was likely in the song i'm looking for

03:41

meanwhile, I'm scared of breakfast. sometimes ingredients change unexpectedly, and then my farts get deadly.

03:41

make your own

03:42

what happened to "photosynthesize, with protection" ?

03:42

too simplistic to be a walking vegetable, gotta be a farmer?

03:43

even bingoboingo makes tomatoes on his balcony

03:44

can prolly go fishing too

03:44

good news is that it's almost time for hummus

03:44

you're out of phase with us there in the northern hemisphere

03:45

after hummus, fart gas simply sleeps the nose for a few hours

03:45

there is no escaping

03:45

indeed, such is life

03:46

do leafy greens count as breakfast?

03:46

one time, I was told they are both meal and exercise

03:46

you need to eat something

03:47

maybe I'll make up the difference by volume.

03:48

leafy greens are excellent if you have tehm,

03:49

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adlai wonders what sorta desk alf gonna bring when returning

03:50

he might be gone forever

03:50

riding roaches to the moon?

03:53

maybe only gone on strike to encourage abandonment of irksome IRC

03:54

maybe he got robbed of his iron on the highway. dead in a ditch

03:55

maybe he forgot the ps2 keyboard twice and he's still truckin back and forth

03:57

more likely, got important call from meat packing plant with sad robot

04:01

there is something almost sad about the lack of "mircea died, here is the transaction executing the splitting of his loot"

04:01

I guess nobody wants to keep a polish passport.

04:01

dude moved to the bahamas for all I know

04:03

hanbots' lament sounds correct tho

04:03

I guess the gulf is less hectic than the Ocean.

04:03

is/are

04:03

there is something nice about small town worlds

04:04

I prefer to avoid casting doubt upon the obits... his soul went swimming with the sheikh, and only the passport and meatsack returned.

04:13

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vex mjust gofind something to eat. gowell adlai

~ 1 hours 45 minutes ~

05:58

I hope vex finds the bunch of words and musical tropes for which he searched before our next synchron... worst case, I keep playing whatever the fuck I want.

05:59

actually no, worse would probably be, "here, I found this song; now ignore the music and analyze the words of the poem"

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06:17

o/ hola adlai

06:20

http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-08-02#1112929 << /me has wondered about the ropes of implementing a dead-mans switch

06:20

Logged on 2022-08-02 04:00:54 adlai: there is something almost sad about the lack of "mircea died, here is the transaction executing the splitting of his loot"

06:32

who owns http://mkj.lt/ ?

06:34

http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/today still running ??

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08:26

http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-08-02#1112763 << not sure, how could mentioning money offend?

08:26

Logged on 2022-08-02 00:12:09 adlai: I hope I did not offend PeterL by mentioning money.

08:31

http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-08-02#1112790 << your salary is not based on your expenses. Your salary is based on what a company will pay to get the work you can provide

08:31

Logged on 2022-08-02 00:34:35 adlai: fwiw, 100kusd is a ridiculous salary for me to demand, considering my expenditures. obviously some people might say it is ridiculous for a programmer of my age to demand anything less... yet, maybe I am "child at heart" and oughtta begin negotiating from minimum wage, always.

08:32

a separate consideration is whether what they offer is enough to ofset you getting out of your house, but they don't care what you are spending

08:34

I don't have the link handy, but I think mp once said something like: the price of an item is not dependent on what it costs to manufacture, it depends on what people are willing to pay for it. the profit is dependent on manufacturing costs, but not the price

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15:01

http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-08-02#1112926 << lol, log off for a day and already funeral

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15:01

Logged on 2022-08-02 03:53:57 vex: maybe he got robbed of his iron on the highway. dead in a ditch

15:02

http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-08-02#1112943 << framedragger

15:02

Logged on 2022-08-02 06:32:22 crtdaydreams: who owns http://mkj.lt/ ?

15:02

!q seen-anywhere Framedragger

15:02

Framedragger last seen in #trilema on 2017-10-06 08:03:56: yes but someone committing to the project without having the necessary time is not far away from malice, imho

15:04

http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-08-02#1112858 << fwiw asciilifeform not posted on shithub for decade+ (and only even had this piece o'shit there to start with)

15:04

Logged on 2022-08-02 01:20:43 adlai: how's this question: will linking my braindump be an even greater career suicide than pretending github does not exist?

15:08

http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-08-02#1112766 << wat'd be wrong with actually publishing sumthing? over9000x more 'proof you can program' than whatever kilometre of spew

15:08

Logged on 2022-08-02 00:23:30 vex: if /me were adlai, i'd be inclined to engorge my resume with fiction, and then try to time the interviews so that your awesomely manic brainwaves are approximately level

15:09

http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-08-02#1112780 << typically folx hiring sumbody also work in same brigade, and dun appreciate insane people willing to drive down their wage

15:09

Logged on 2022-08-02 00:30:48 adlai: I burn much less than 100kusd per year, yet once I got almost yelled at for claiming that I didn't need a salary much higher than rent.

15:10

( not to mention what 'i'll work for food!11' says about what yer weight class might be )

15:11

http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-08-02#1112796 << lamers would literally rather die than learn anyffin, yes

15:11

Logged on 2022-08-02 00:37:55 adlai: I literally wrote to someone, "I will pay you <some amount of> bitcoin to learn common lisp, because... well, start learning, and then we'll talk again."

15:12

http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-08-02#1112799 << whatcha even doing outside of slovenia btw ?

15:12

Logged on 2022-08-02 00:39:05 adlai: maybe I'd have Unified Korean citizenship by now.

15:12

Logged on 2021-08-31 18:38:25 kakobrekla: but if i were, slovenia has 0 tax on crypto

15:14

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asciilifeform observes, unrelatedly, that evidently none of dulapbot's pest peerings other than to asciilifeform's desk (still in a crate, ftr) in fact worked. apologies to anyone who may've been relying on its log

15:15

http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-08-02#1112902 << sure. (btw notice the sores link at the bottom of page?? could've looked, yerself,neh?)

15:15

Logged on 2022-08-02 03:39:19 adlai: wonders if any of the logbots still support search

15:17

http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-08-02#1112941 << before going through the effort, 1st rec to think, what do you do that merits dead switch ?

15:17

Logged on 2022-08-02 06:20:04 crtdaydreams: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-08-02#1112929 << /me has wondered about the ropes of implementing a dead-mans switch

15:18

fwiw lotsa folx already have a (slow) dead switch, their www

15:19

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asciilifeform pays the dc folx in 1y installments, so if subscribers see it die w/out any comment from asciilifeform on pestnet, can safely assume he bit it

15:20

http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-08-02#1112855 << iirc adlai was sitting on pile o'coin, wtf are you doing 'min wage' adlai ?!!

15:20

Logged on 2022-08-02 01:17:06 adlai: fwiw, minimum wage in israel is slightly less shameful than minimum wage in the USA.

15:21

http://logs.bitdash.io/pest/2022-08-02#1010967

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bitbot

(pest) 2022-08-02 awt: asciilifeform: I don't understand why a Prod must be replied to with another Prod if everyone is periodically sending out Prod messages.

15:21

BingoBoingo iirc at least went to dive for spanish galleon au (iirc) when exch rate sank, rather than 'min wage'

15:21

thimbronion: can't assume that erryone is sending'em out; and ideally you want to know asap if received (and concretely, the sender's current addr)

15:22

it's part of what makes the sec.5 mechanism go

15:23

asciilifeform: in that case Ignore is semi-redundant since it is currently used to update AT

15:25

^^ asciilifeform assumes that when he is taken they will not keep paying the dc bill to hide the fact

15:27

Ah hmm lemme read sec.5

15:27

ahem, we're going to need you to decrypt this challenge to prove your identity after this uncharistaristicly long absence ;)

15:37

I see so a station initiates a Prod exchange only once per peer on startup.

15:38

OR when an AT entry is manually configured for a new peer.

15:38

could have a knob to set frequency of periodic prods

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16:05

thimbronion: 'ignore' indeed arguably redundant. but recall that 'prod' is recent addition to spec.

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17:00

http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-08-02#1112984 << luckily for asciilifeform , currently afaik aint worth cost of bullet, much less 1y of dc, lol

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Logged on 2022-08-02 15:25:26 PeterL: ^^ asciilifeform assumes that when he is taken they will not keep paying the dc bill to hide the fact

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18:03

http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-08-02#1112972 << nothing worth a dead man's switch :)

18:03

Logged on 2022-08-02 15:17:35 asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-08-02#1112941 << before going through the effort, 1st rec to think, what do you do that merits dead switch ?

18:04

it was rather hypothetical and at the time of writing that I intended to elaborate "how wouldja implement?" you've answered that anyway

18:06

(fwiw also on 1yr plan, soley because wasn't willing to cough up anymore for a vps that serves mebbe 4MB/mo of html, the rest of the bandwidth is used by dipshit scripts trying to ssh into and exploit the server... lol

18:09

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crtdaydreams is fully aware of a number of exploits that could fully brick server, simply not fixed

~ 20 minutes ~

18:29

crtdaydreams: asciilifeform leases a rack, rather than 1 box. typically one pays with wire for these, and to pinch pennies (wires cost fiddybux or near) is traditionally done yearly

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20:28

http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-08-02#1112945 << by my upbringing, it's not quite the height of politeness to suddenly declare, "I'd have so much more energy for this conversation if calories were on tap, and someone had already paid for the barrel."

20:28

Logged on 2022-08-02 08:26:44 PeterL: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-08-02#1112763 << not sure, how could mentioning money offend?

20:33

http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-08-02#1112976 << 'pile' is an exaggeration; and why should anyone's net worth influence salary negotiation? if e.g. Stalin decides to set down podium and pick up broom, should not get paid same salary as any old sweeper?

20:33

Logged on 2022-08-02 15:20:27 asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-08-02#1112855 << iirc adlai was sitting on pile o'coin, wtf are you doing 'min wage' adlai ?!!

20:35

http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-08-02#1112961 << this one is probably the strongest point; noted.

20:35

Logged on 2022-08-02 15:09:13 asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-08-02#1112780 << typically folx hiring sumbody also work in same brigade, and dun appreciate insane people willing to drive down their wage

20:37

http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-08-02#1112966 << this is an excellent question... I think my brief romance with eastern europe got placed on hold, until either I leverage a significant chunk of my own coin to relocate myself to there independently, or kako suddenly find himself requiring the common lisp golfer.

20:37

Logged on 2022-08-02 15:12:37 asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-08-02#1112799 << whatcha even doing outside of slovenia btw ?

20:39

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adlai visited explicitly for the pretext of "considering founding company, yet kako happy being expatriate, local fellow still happy with job at local company, adlai not quite carrying whitelabel everything in magic mary poppins briefcase," etc

20:45

I think there are several different mentalities folks have when considering themselves part of the capitalist machine, slightly more diverse than the binary working vs retired; someone can seek to still work, while being aware than net worth decreases, without immediately declaring last will and let the dogs eat the leftovers.

20:48

obviously, the entire false umpchotomy can get bathwatered by recognizing that even someone outside of strict capitalism can still be working... arguably everything is work, until final release of bowels and surrender to dialysis, pacemaker, respirator, etc.

20:51

http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-08-02#1112997 << I meant whether there was an in-channel command

20:51

Logged on 2022-08-02 18:08:46 crtdaydreams: is fully aware of a number of exploits that could fully brick server, simply not fixed

20:51

blech, wrong link.

20:52

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adlai probably overflew keystroke count for Q3 2022 by now, after the chat with vex

20:55

!!s from:funkenstein bach

20:57

!help

20:59

!q s from:funkenstein_ bach

20:59

No results found for "from:funkenstein_ bach" in #asciilifeform

21:04

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adlai has not found precise log link, yet distinctly remembers funkenstein_ musing in one of the fragmentations from #b-a about the ultimate futility of doing anything except for practicing Bach... yet can't remember whether preludes were considered more worthwhile than the fugues!

21:05

might have even been in the channel of his altcoin. I suppose regression to maximally abstract pursuit might be a symptom of affluenza.

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21:57

http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-08-02#1113001 << the implication is that if you have a stash to bank on, it takes a bigger offer to make working seem worth it

21:57

Logged on 2022-08-02 20:33:28 adlai: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-08-02#1112976 << 'pile' is an exaggeration; and why should anyone's net worth influence salary negotiation? if e.g. Stalin decides to set down podium and pick up broom, should not get paid same salary as any old sweeper?

21:58

the guy who is broke has to take whatever job is offered, the guy who is wealthy can afford to wait for a better offer to come along

22:01

!s f:funkenstein bach

22:01

err

22:01