10:56 |
punkman |
https://kleros.io/ "Justice as a Service |
10:56 |
punkman |
" heh |
10:57 |
punkman |
"winner of the Blockchains for Social Good Prize from the European Union's Horizon 2020 research and innovation programme" |
11:00 |
punkman |
"our court system is so clogged, we really don't want to hear about your token problems. here's some money, go away" |
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12:23 |
punkman |
https://scarce.city/auctions/Casascius-2013-Brass-0.5 << 0.3btc premium for 0.5btc coin. not bad. |
12:26 |
punkman |
trying to read about ETH is infuriating, so many fucking names and platforms and protocols and they all do the same thing |
12:27 |
punkman |
"By burning the base fee, we can no longer guarantee a fixed token supply. This could result in economic instability as the long term supply of ETH will no longer be constant over time. While a valid concern, it is difficult to quantify how much of an impact this will have. If more is burned on base fee than is generated in mining rewards then ETH |
12:27 |
punkman |
will be deflationary and if more is generated in mining rewards than is burned then ETH will be inflationary. Since we cannot control user demand for block space, we cannot assert at the moment whether ETH will end up inflationary or deflationary, so this change causes the core developers to lose some control over Ethereum’s long term monetary |
12:27 |
punkman |
policy." |
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12:47 |
punkman |
https://samczsun.com/escaping-the-dark-forest/ "Attempt to exploit the issue ourselves. ... risky because the possibility of our transactions getting frontrun was very real." |
12:56 |
punkman |
"After participating in the recovery attempt from Ethereum is a Dark Forest, which ultimately lost to front-runners, I was hungry for a re-match." "For the past few months, I had been trying to establish contacts with miners for this very purpose: white-hat transaction cooperation. If ever there was a time to appeal to a miner to include a |
12:56 |
punkman |
transaction without giving front-runners the chance to steal it, it was now." |
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14:57 |
asciilifeform |
punkman: possibly you now see what asciilifeform was talking about earlier . there's an entire steaming sewer of these horrors. |
14:57 |
dulapbot |
Logged on 2021-07-19 11:25:49 asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-07-19#1046850 << imho cumulative history of bitcoinism is an excellent illustration of the 'why'. ~100% of the technical acumen has gone into finding ever new ways to defraud people, rather than solving the problems which factually exist from pov of honest user |
15:00 |
asciilifeform |
http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-07-19#1047165 << it only sorta worx, lol. ~randomly loses contents, this is an ancient plague. |
15:00 |
dulapbot |
Logged on 2021-07-19 18:05:40 whaack: ...trb's memory pool works? |
15:03 |
punkman |
asciilifeform: I don't think any of these people would be solving "factual problems", sort of like the "piracy problem", random indian wouldn't be buying "Spiderman_17.mp4" if he couldn't torrent it. |
15:04 |
asciilifeform |
punkman: these -- possibly not. but i dun expect that ~erryone~ embroiled in e.g. ethertardium, is 'a this' ? |
15:05 |
punkman |
and if Poettering wasn't doing systemd, he would be doing some other unspeakable horror, not any kind of "sane linux" |
15:05 |
asciilifeform |
punkman: rright but his presence prevents work on sane linux by 'over 9000' folx. |
15:06 |
punkman |
or his presence actually pushed several people closer to "sane linux" |
15:08 |
asciilifeform |
the 'without evil, no heroes' pov ? it's appealing, but 'glass seller's fallacy', y'know, the one where 'vandals power the economy by breaking windos' |
15:08 |
asciilifeform |
*windows |
15:16 |
punkman |
in other top keks: "RTX 3060 software drivers are designed to detect specific attributes of the Ethereum cryptocurrency mining algorithm, and limit the hash rate, or cryptocurrency mining efficiency, by around 50 percent." |
15:17 |
asciilifeform |
punkman: iirc already cracked |
15:17 |
punkman |
https://blogs.nvidia.com/blog/2021/02/18/geforce-cmp/ |
15:18 |
asciilifeform |
punkman: cracked less than month later |
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15:18 |
punkman |
oh they accidentally leaked it themselves eh |
15:19 |
asciilifeform |
allegedly. |
15:19 |
asciilifeform |
why they'd boobytrap their product to begin with, remains a mystery to asciilifeform |
15:20 |
asciilifeform |
why would nvidia care for what the irons are used. maybe i bought to hammer nails with. what biz is it of the vendor's? |
15:21 |
punkman |
so the miners don't buy up all the supply! |
15:21 |
punkman |
https://www.notebookcheck.net/Chinese-cryptominers-are-dumping-all-GPUs-before-the-Ethereum-hard-fork-Nvidia-RTX-3060-cards-for-as-low-as-270.549936.0.html |
15:21 |
punkman |
Buterin solving that problem anyway |
15:21 |
asciilifeform |
punkman: why would nvidia care who buys up the supply? |
15:22 |
punkman |
because they need videogame players to be using their shit |
15:23 |
asciilifeform |
i guess |
15:23 |
asciilifeform |
punkman: and yea apparently the ethertards moving to permissioned mining. |
15:29 |
punkman |
in which mining, downtime is reason to lose up to 100% of your "stake" |
15:30 |
asciilifeform |
punkman: buterin is fixing the 'bug' where non-usg-affiliated parties can mine his shitcoin |
15:31 |
asciilifeform |
that's the 'clef' to the 'roman a clef' of errything these people do. |
15:31 |
asciilifeform |
(e.g. the 'bigblox' pushers in prb sphere) |
15:32 |
asciilifeform |
y'know, why should! anyone without a oc-192 and petabyte of ssd be able to mine! right? |
15:35 |
thestringpuller |
mEth heads I think aren't addicted to mEth but chumpatrons of which mEth is a chumpatron generator |
15:35 |
whaack_temp |
good morning |
15:36 |
asciilifeform |
thestringpuller: see also older thrd re 'elements' of such 'engineering' |
15:36 |
dulapbot |
(trilema) 2014-11-13 asciilifeform: bip64, aside from complicating the protocol and giving relevance to the gavin shitgang, is also a jam-tomorrow chumpatronic engineering structural element |
15:36 |
asciilifeform |
heya whaack |
15:37 |
whaack |
asciilifeform: so the mempool is another Nth mystery of trb, eh? |
15:37 |
asciilifeform |
whaack: the challenge is to find 1 part that worx 100%, lol.. they're all like this |
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15:38 |
whaack |
from what i saw yesterday it apparently clears out transactions that *YOU* created |
15:38 |
asciilifeform |
aha. just like it disconnects nodes that you personally operate -- 'they're just nodes' -- etc |
15:39 |
asciilifeform |
whaack: this kind of thing is why asciilifeform never participated in the idiotic 'satoshi worship' so commonplace in the sphere. |
15:40 |
asciilifeform |
whoever was 'satoshi', was typical mswin 'indian coder', and it shows in erry line |
15:40 |
asciilifeform |
and the product is perhaps the ultimate example of 'worse is better'(tm)(r)(c) |
15:41 |
whaack |
yeah i have known this was the case from cursory reading of the code and from readng the logs b |
15:41 |
whaack |
...but i hit my first personal speedbump with the "txn must have at least 100 bytes" magical number with no clear error code |
15:42 |
asciilifeform |
whaack: asciilifeform has been sawing on the thing since '14, and erry step of the way was like this. |
15:46 |
whaack |
thimbronion: have you ever tried to check if the prb node actually contains the history of signatures? |
15:47 |
thimbronion |
whaack: no I haven't. |
15:48 |
whaack |
i guess from the trb purest POV it doesn't really matter either way |
15:49 |
whaack |
they've opted to not protect their transactions with signatures and that's on them, if the signature is not inputed as part of the block hash than it does not exist |
15:49 |
whaack |
then* it does not |
15:51 |
whaack |
but i guess in retrospect satoshi should not have allowed the anyonecanspend option and should have instead designed bitcoin to prevent itself from being 'upgradeable' as much as possible |
15:51 |
asciilifeform |
whaack: by all indications, there was little to no 'design' involved, d00d 'floated like a shit in an icehole' in erry which direction |
15:52 |
thimbronion |
iirc satoshi was also a big blocker. |
15:52 |
asciilifeform |
thimbronion: what suggested this ? |
15:53 |
thimbronion |
asciilifeform: perhaps a forum post in which he speculated that the block size could be raised as needed. No ref. handy. |
15:57 |
asciilifeform |
thimbronion: all i was able to find re subj. (does anyone, incidentally, have a non-spamwww copy of that archive?) |
15:58 |
asciilifeform |
at the risk of repeating self : asciilifeform ftr could not care less what shitoshi wanted, thought he wanted, etc. he is no authority to asciilifeform whatsoever. |
16:02 |
asciilifeform |
(imho it isn't an entirely uninteresting q, from strictly historical pov, 'what did shitoshi want'. but if i never hear another 'argumentum ad shitoshi' again, it won't be soon enuff.) |
16:03 |
whaack |
^ word. |
16:14 |
thestringpuller |
punkman: read that thread on chainlink - i wonder if you simplified the game theory to simply monetizing the publishing of various WoTs; |
16:15 |
punkman |
thestringpuller: wut |
16:16 |
asciilifeform |
thestringpuller: dafuq ? |
16:17 |
thestringpuller |
punkman: the good part of chainlink is oracles publish data and reputation of the orcales is published, the bad part is that data can be bad and in practice it's been shown publishing bad data doesn't affect the bottom line of the oracles |
16:18 |
asciilifeform |
thestringpuller: how about 'the bad part is that it's a scam made out of scamatronium by known scammers and you'll get stupider just by looking at the docs' ? |
16:19 |
thestringpuller |
asciilifeform: these are docs not hard drugs |
16:19 |
asciilifeform |
thestringpuller: these behave surprisingly similarly. |
16:19 |
asciilifeform |
folx who habitually read ethertardisms, get stupider. |
16:19 |
asciilifeform |
'be smart, don't start'(tm)(r) |
16:19 |
thestringpuller |
i don't think i'll become ozzy osbourne just glancing over the whitepapers of various chumpatrons |
16:20 |
asciilifeform |
thestringpuller: you understand, 'you are what you eat', neh ? |
16:20 |
signpost |
this attitude is why tmsr produced no businesses of note. |
16:20 |
asciilifeform |
if you habitually take in subtly-broken syllogisms , then come to assume that when it throws exception in your head, it's 'my own fault' -- what do you think happens ? |
16:20 |
signpost |
and why others will own the future instead. |
16:21 |
signpost |
that some derp is occupying some territory does not say anything about the "badness" of the territory. |
16:21 |
signpost |
or we'd not care to have sane computers because once Gates' and Jobs' asses sat there. |
16:21 |
asciilifeform |
signpost: i'd prefer to agree with you, simply on available inputs thus far -- cannot |
16:21 |
asciilifeform |
seems like certain territories -- irradiated. |
16:22 |
signpost |
certainly "the X of Y" coins are fucking retarded, no argument. |
16:22 |
thestringpuller |
asciilifeform: this is why mentally ill people shouldn't consume twitter, but I don't see why rational person would be driven insane from inspecting the parts and blueprints of the chumpatron. |
16:22 |
asciilifeform |
signpost: i'm a++ in favour of actual-biznis, however oddball; simply, not on permissioned-usgcoin. |
16:22 |
signpost |
just let it not prevent the proper kind of speculation (i.e. the intellectual) |
16:23 |
signpost |
100% agree |
16:23 |
signpost |
e.g. filecoin existing should not prevent someone from creating btc-tarsnap |
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16:23 |
asciilifeform |
sure. would like to remind folx to actually think, rather than buy a shitcoin pusher's claims as if they were logical postulated. |
16:23 |
asciilifeform |
*postulates |
16:24 |
signpost |
also great fucking scott my trb is at top of chain. |
16:24 |
asciilifeform |
'intellectual' to asciilifeform means that you ~gotta~ exclude postulates of the form 'find a 2 that's also a 3..' |
16:24 |
asciilifeform |
!w poll |
16:24 |
watchglass |
Polling 17 nodes... |
16:24 |
thestringpuller |
the failings of most shitcoin is 99% - scam other 1% over complicating something that could be done more simply |
16:24 |
watchglass |
185.85.38.54:8333 : Could not connect! |
16:24 |
watchglass |
84.16.46.130:8333 : Could not connect! |
16:24 |
watchglass |
205.134.172.4:8333 : (172-4.core.ai.net) Alive: (0.022s) V=70001 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.7.0.1/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=691887 |
16:24 |
watchglass |
205.134.172.26:8333 : Alive: (0.090s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=691887 |
16:24 |
watchglass |
185.163.46.29:8333 : Could not connect! |
16:24 |
watchglass |
54.39.156.171:8333 : (ns562940.ip-54-39-156.net) Alive: (0.096s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=691887 |
16:24 |
watchglass |
192.151.158.26:8333 : Alive: (0.083s) V=70001 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.7.0.1/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=691887 |
16:24 |
watchglass |
205.134.172.28:8333 : Alive: (0.152s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Return Addr=0.0.0.0:8333 Blocks=691887 (Operator: whaack) |
16:24 |
watchglass |
143.202.160.10:8333 : Alive: (0.234s) V=70001 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.7.0.1/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=691887 |
16:24 |
watchglass |
208.94.240.42:8333 : Alive: (0.222s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=691887 |
16:24 |
watchglass |
54.38.94.63:8333 : (ns3140226.ip-54-38-94.eu) Alive: (0.262s) V=88888 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.8.88.88/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=691887 |
16:24 |
watchglass |
205.134.172.27:8333 : Alive: (0.146s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=691887 (Operator: asciilifeform) |
16:24 |
watchglass |
176.9.59.199:8333 : (static.199.59.9.176.clients.your-server.de) Alive: (0.332s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=412062 (Operator: jurov) |
16:24 |
watchglass |
213.109.238.156:8333 : Alive: (0.336s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=691887 |
16:24 |
watchglass |
103.36.92.112:8333 : (terebe.ns01.net) Alive: (0.578s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=691887 |
16:24 |
watchglass |
71.191.220.241:8333 : (pool-71-191-220-241.washdc.fios.verizon.net) Alive: (0.463s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=691887 (Operator: asciilifeform) |
16:24 |
asciilifeform |
oh hm signpost yours aint in there atm is it |
16:25 |
signpost |
no, and I got excited prematurely; I'm ~100 behind. |
16:25 |
signpost |
maybe see top-o-chain today or tomorrow |
16:26 |
watchglass |
205.134.172.6:8333 : Busy? (No answer in 100 sec.) |
16:26 |
asciilifeform |
ftr both of asciilifeform's noades are on boxes the size of a fist, circa '12 |
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16:26 |
* |
signpost suspects the problem isn't the ryzen beast with ssd |
16:26 |
asciilifeform |
aha |
16:27 |
asciilifeform |
connectivity seems to be the only certain necessity. given as once noad falls behind, will normally stay behind. |
16:28 |
punkman |
https://github.com/Defi-Cartel/salmonella "Friday, bot trader and LocalCoin Swap CTO Nathan Worsley released two token contracts named “Salmonella” and “Listeria” on the Ethereum blockchain with the intention of luring unsuspecting bot traders into an ambush. Mining pool Ethermine – which only publicly announced its MEV strategy last |
16:28 |
punkman |
Wednesday – became entangled in the token trap, netting Worsley a quarter-million dollars after a few hours’ work." |
16:28 |
asciilifeform |
lol!! |
16:30 |
thestringpuller |
dang that's illegal to do on NYSE and CME |
16:33 |
asciilifeform |
thestringpuller: indeed only usg.approved Official scammers get to scam on usg.stock.exchanges. |
16:33 |
asciilifeform |
the etherdards are working on getting there. |
16:33 |
asciilifeform |
*ethertards |
16:33 |
asciilifeform |
what with permissioned this-and-thats. |
16:37 |
signpost |
asciilifeform: in watching the logs of my node, it appears that I'm getting flooded with fake peers. |
16:37 |
thestringpuller |
spoofing other HFT bots is the first idea an intern comes up with at trading firms, to which they are told "lets not all go to jail" |
16:38 |
thestringpuller |
If it can be done legally in crypto for now...may be an interesting opportunity to experiment with |
16:38 |
asciilifeform |
signpost: aha, there's a spamola op happening, billymg discovered recently via his noad scanner. doesn't seem to affect block propagation, tho, perhaps surprisingly. |
16:38 |
dulapbot |
Logged on 2021-07-12 10:46:22 asciilifeform: billymg: indeed mega-spamola. doesn't seem to interfere w/ timely block-eating, interestingly. |
16:39 |
punkman |
fake peers as in prb nodez? |
16:39 |
asciilifeform |
thestringpuller: in usg.trading, aka 'legal' xyz's, erryone is Officially required to fight with one hand tied behind his back. erryone except for Officially unindictable elite, naturally. |
16:39 |
punkman |
or not even prb nodez |
16:40 |
asciilifeform |
punkman: fake as in there's suddenly 'over 9000' of'em and they don't emulate even prb convincingly, don't return peers, etc |
16:41 |
billymg |
punkman: fake as in not even the heathen crawlers count them as real or ever having existed |
16:42 |
signpost |
tbh separating crawling-for-peers from trb might be worthwhile. |
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16:43 |
signpost |
i.e. factoring that bit out into a separate process, and making trb's interactions with addr.dat read-only. |
16:44 |
signpost |
the peer-crawler could just do a polite sanity-check on peers, then say goodbye and write to addr.dat |
16:44 |
punkman |
ethers are wild, "blockchain reorg as a service" |
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17:06 |
whaack |
!e height |
17:06 |
trbexplorer |
691892 |
17:07 |
whaack |
not expecting this to be there but... |
17:07 |
whaack |
!e view-txn 8a5385db0d79f61964047eb73801fb5d052f2dda6da4213120982c59434080d4 |
17:07 |
trbexplorer |
Transaction not found. |
17:18 |
asciilifeform |
http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-07-20#1047316 << imho good idea (recall early attempt by asciilifeform , w/ 'wires') |
17:18 |
dulapbot |
Logged on 2021-07-20 12:42:36 signpost: tbh separating crawling-for-peers from trb might be worthwhile. |
17:19 |
signpost |
yep |
17:20 |
* |
signpost currently watching thousands of presumably bunk nodes pissed into his trb |
17:21 |
signpost |
gonna delete addr.dat as an experiment. |
17:31 |
thestringpuller |
eu commission proposes new law amendments to prohibit anonymous wallets for cryptocurrencies |
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17:32 |
asciilifeform |
thestringpuller: coming next: eu commission prohibits farting w/out license |
17:37 |
signpost |
sadly that resulted in zero blox falling into supplicating mouth |
17:37 |
signpost |
moved old addr.dat back and... Loaded 201069 addresses |
17:38 |
signpost |
bitnodes claims 12567 nodes atm, lol |
17:38 |
signpost |
clearly the trb node reputation system needs work. this pissing of useless peers should be a ban. |
17:42 |
asciilifeform |
signpost: formerly these always tripped 'malleus'. nowadays 'improved' evidently. |
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~ 1 hours 2 minutes ~ |
18:44 |
bonechewer |
http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-07-20#1047330 << For anyone who wants to amuse/horrify self with the shenanigans of both regimes and shitcoiners, this pair of Israeli lawyers periodically posts stuff like https://www.lexology.com/library/detail.aspx?g=cce049ae-3fc2-4b5b-9a2d-308952360906 |
18:44 |
dulapbot |
Logged on 2021-07-20 13:31:37 thestringpuller: eu commission proposes new law amendments to prohibit anonymous wallets for cryptocurrencies |
18:46 |
billymg |
asciilifeform: yeah, i swear when i was running my crawler previously, a month or so ago, trb nodes always returned reasonable number of nodes (double or low triple digit counts) |
18:46 |
billymg |
then shifted to spam on / spam off waves |
18:47 |
billymg |
now permaspam |
18:48 |
billymg |
signpost: would be funny to create an issue on their github about this and see where it goes |
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19:14 |
asciilifeform |
billymg: in so far as the scale of annoyance of spammers goes, this one's pretty far on the bottom, if it were not for billymg's scanner -- likely asciilifeform would not even know (seems to have 0 measurable effect on performance) |
19:14 |
asciilifeform |
billymg: possibly if were 1e6 spamola peers -- might notice |
19:15 |
asciilifeform |
evidently they aint sending much (by volume) liquishit |
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20:28 |
whaack |
!e height |
20:28 |
trbexplorer |
691908 |
20:39 |
whaack |
!e view-txn b78db0425f4f9c27410c356ed79233ed9a5dcfe368130a41c0bded657747b169/ |
20:39 |
trbexplorer |
Invalid hash (odd length.) |
20:39 |
whaack |
!e view-txn b78db0425f4f9c27410c356ed79233ed9a5dcfe368130a41c0bded657747b169 |
20:39 |
trbexplorer |
TXN OVERVIEW |
20:39 |
trbexplorer |
txn_hash: b78db0425f4f9c27410c356ed79233ed9a5dcfe368130a41c0bded657747b169 |
20:39 |
trbexplorer |
block_height: 691908 |
20:39 |
trbexplorer |
txn_index: 2 |
20:39 |
trbexplorer |
size: 160 |
20:39 |
trbexplorer |
INPUTS |
20:39 |
trbexplorer |
txn_hash: 32b3553f7f2e8be5e0fff3dd36cf9d5c22681905003ffda5693ed42445198275 |
20:39 |
trbexplorer |
out_index: 51 |
20:39 |
trbexplorer |
value_sats: 62500000 |
20:39 |
trbexplorer |
scriptsig: 21ab901282c2d0c32df796f4a662c05758f2b4f08513b54cedc13b06499b9f8a200022 |
20:39 |
trbexplorer |
OUTPUTS |
20:39 |
trbexplorer |
address: 8bf0ae0ea034b2c14f83bcd861e8c379e3387d401400 |
20:39 |
trbexplorer |
value_sats: 3855950 |
20:39 |
trbexplorer |
address: da94189e4aa9ca212e2a7a44c2541523ea1abcb3cc805c108ceceff45de974e02000 |
20:39 |
trbexplorer |
value_sats: 58545670 |
20:41 |
whaack |
!e push 010000000169b1477765edbdc0410a1368e3cf5d9aed3392d76e350c41279c4f5f42b08db70100000000ffffffff02e3eeff00000000001976a9146c560e9d65f3daf56e44d7c4c6b6bb39c4c120b188ace3eeff00000000001976a9146c560e9d65f3daf56e44d7c4c6b6bb39c4c120b188ac00000000 |
20:41 |
trbexplorer |
txid d83fc47fb574c2c11f3b115f04f5418a707dd1032fcd1817f529187813885692 |
20:42 |
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whaack has upped the bounty to a quarter of a bitcoin |
20:54 |
billymg |
asciilifeform: ah, makes sense |