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00:14 asciilifeform verisimilitude: aside from the gnarly calendar, can't think of any egregiously asinine aspect of traditional euro timekeeping.
00:14 asciilifeform ( afaik last serious attempt at fiddling with it was during french rev, 'metric time', didn't catch on. cuz doesn't win in any clear way. )
00:16 asciilifeform afaik is 1 of those things where any macroscopic change gets you moar headache re backwards-compat. than any possible win.
00:22 asciilifeform the metric units which ~did~ catch on, let you answer practical q's in o(1), e.g. how many kalash rounds it'd take to boil a swimming pool w/ N litres, etc. but there's less clear use from 'how far did light travel from the sun in the time since caesar bit it'
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01:33 verisimilitude Time has no relation to moving planets, and it shouldn't be treated that way.
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01:34 verisimilitude I didn't yet include the quote, but run 'info date input formats' and read the quote included in the head of that section.
01:35 verisimilitude Well, the command is actually the following: info 'date input formats'
01:36 verisimilitude That's an article with which I'll collect notes and add onto it later, as I think of more.
01:47 adlai joerodgers: LN attacks a problem different than the one attacked by bitcoin! I like to think of LN as an attempt to build some sort of SWIFT / VISA competitor, that uses bitcoin as its backing mechanism, since this viewpoint makes it clear that bitcoin is the bedrock and the others just happen to be structures perched on the surface
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01:51 adlai asciilifeform: ultimately, i guess the similarity between git and bitcoin begins and ends with merkle trees
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03:53 theRealHashBrown Is Phuctor still active?
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03:56 theRealHashBrown Also, is the Common Lisp operating system still being worked on?
03:56 theRealHashBrown Just curious.
03:57 adlai theRealHashBrown: "Phuctor will return!" (see conversations leading up to http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-10-28#1948552 for the details of why/where it went)
03:57 snsabot (trilema) 2019-10-28 asciilifeform: fwiw mp_en_viaje made it quite clear in june '19 that he intends to close snsa. and this was part of the reason why i set up private rack, it will host phuctor in-exile, asciilifeform's www, and anyone else who has the courage and dun insist on marionette control of the entire thing simply as condition of hosting a box or 2.
03:57 theRealHashBrown adlai: Thanks
03:57 adlai i'm not certain what you mean by "the CL os", maybe masamune? the dude working on that vanished a while ago
03:58 adlai there are other people who work on similar projects, mostly each in their own way. sniff around the internet and you'll find them eventually.
03:58 theRealHashBrown http://www.loper-os.org/?p=8
03:59 theRealHashBrown The last real news of Loper OS was, I believe, the post about Mueller C Gates.
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03:59 adlai ah, that. I do not speak for asciilifeform , wait for a while and he will answer your questions himself.
04:00 adlai alternatively, don't wait around, and read the logs (type /topic to see the IRC channel topic, that is a link to the logs)
04:00 theRealHashBrown Sure. Thanks.
04:00 theRealHashBrown This post contained some really interesting ideas: http://www.loper-os.org/?p=1361
04:00 theRealHashBrown I will never forget this part: "if you want ghetto, visit 'Urbit'."
04:01 adlai ghetto? I thought that Moldbug was selling dukedoms!
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04:32 theRealHashBrown What really made me lost my respect for Urbit was when the team revised the specification of the foundational assembly-language Nock.
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04:32 theRealHashBrown https://urbit.org/docs/tutorials/nock/definition/
04:32 theRealHashBrown The whole point of Urbit, what justified the entire formula-reduction approach, was the promise that their assembly-language would never change.
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07:15 feedbot http://thetarpit.org/2020/obituary << The Tar Pit -- Obituary
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10:41 asciilifeform http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2020-05-26#1013257 << hasn't any relation to gears of clock, or state transitions of cesium atom, etc. just the same -- or what am i missing.
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10:41 snsabot Logged on 2020-05-26 01:33:10 verisimilitude: Time has no relation to moving planets, and it shouldn't be treated that way.
10:43 asciilifeform http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2020-05-26#1013261 << rather like 'flea uses dog as backing mechanism'.
10:43 snsabot Logged on 2020-05-26 01:47:01 adlai: joerodgers: LN attacks a problem different than the one attacked by bitcoin! I like to think of LN as an attempt to build some sort of SWIFT / VISA competitor, that uses bitcoin as its backing mechanism, since this viewpoint makes it clear that bitcoin is the bedrock and the others just happen to be structures perched on the surface
10:45 asciilifeform http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2020-05-26#1013263 << there's iron installed for it, but no, atm not active. direly in need of rewrite, and i haven't presently time .
10:45 snsabot Logged on 2020-05-26 03:53:04 theRealHashBrown: Is Phuctor still active?
10:46 asciilifeform http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2020-05-26#1013272 << if you (or other reader) know of someone who sells fpga on muller gate , with 100% documented internals, do say. otherwise what's the complaint about ?
10:46 snsabot Logged on 2020-05-26 03:59:32 theRealHashBrown: The last real news of Loper OS was, I believe, the post about Mueller C Gates.
10:49 asciilifeform http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2020-05-26#1013279 << ftr i started to lose interest when realized that their arch cannot be run directly on any physically-plausible machine. i.e. right off the bat.
10:49 snsabot Logged on 2020-05-26 04:32:21 theRealHashBrown: What really made me lost my respect for Urbit was when the team revised the specification of the foundational assembly-language Nock.
10:49 asciilifeform see also .
10:52 asciilifeform http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2020-05-26#1013278 << afaik i was the 1st to sell secondhand unit. (tbf i haven't much of an idea what happened to the thing since. i still get occasional spam from the co., hence learned of orig. author quitting, and erry coupla months 'we rebooted universe again, sorry', etc , but not much beyond this )
10:52 snsabot Logged on 2020-05-26 04:01:16 adlai: ghetto? I thought that Moldbug was selling dukedoms!
11:01 adlai LN is not just flea, it is the whole ... whatever the correct english plural of flea is. circus?
11:02 adlai (and the lesser fleas, and littler fleas, and so on ad infintem!)
11:02 adlai the one time I had a LN wallet, they made sure to show me that my balance included blahblah.099 satoshis, just in case I needed to pay for every single bubble in the beer
11:03 adlai hairs split by length, then quartered, too
11:04 adlai iirc at one point during a pre-LN discussion, Luke-Jr suggested that rational arithmetic could provide for entirely arbitrary splits, bounded only by the amount of data that the transactor wishes to shit into the transactions
11:05 adlai maybe it was someone else, Luke-Jr is the tonal arithmetic fellow.
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11:22 asciilifeform adlai: hilarious idiocy. as if coin fragging were not already a headache. 'let's frag some moar.'
11:22 asciilifeform and iirc that was the fella who complained about shitoshi-dice...
11:23 shinohai it was, luke jr still has built-in blacklist in "knots"
11:24 shinohai (if you `emerge -av bitcoin-qt` it builds specifically with certain "bip flags" pre set to segshit )
11:24 asciilifeform to me, looks rather like yet 9000th pusher of terabyte-blocks-and-three-nodes-run-by-visa-and-paypal 'progress future' .
11:25 shinohai oh yeah, builds WITH -knots flag
11:25 * asciilifeform never had the slightest interest in building (much less running) that garbage, and never will
11:25 shinohai so if you want vanilla bitcoin-qt with core liquishit syrup, you have to change USE flags.
11:26 asciilifeform why wouldja want it at all, lol
11:26 shinohai ikr?
11:26 adlai iirc, his complaints re:S.DICE were moral, not technical
11:26 asciilifeform in other strange.
11:31 asciilifeform adlai: his complaints included 'it frags coin into 'dust'' . i.e. 'ecological' whine.
11:32 adlai hmmm. S.DICE did include single-satoshi confirmation of loss, didn't it :D
11:33 adlai there is high justification for this... if the gambler loses, at least dust is created and everyone loses together with the gambler!
11:36 * asciilifeform didn't read tardstalk, didn't find lukejr et al interesting then, and still doesn't
11:37 * asciilifeform fwiw didn't find 'dice' interesting, either .
11:43 * adlai read Luke on irc mostly, was still quite active, probably still is, in the "core" channels
11:44 asciilifeform adlai: i never read these, either. nor the astrology or faith-healing chans.
11:44 asciilifeform simply can't think of why to bother .
11:44 adlai ehh, s.dice is interesting, although only as a historic curiosity of early bitcoin businesses
11:46 asciilifeform approx. as interesting as the underground 'numbers games' run in back alleys of usa cities .
11:46 adlai my impression was that they didn't do anything technologically interesting, it was quite a rudimentary usage of bitcoin. for all I know, could've started as Erik manually going through the motions, and then writing a script to automate.
11:48 asciilifeform some farmers farm cows, others farm idiots, it's... a living , of sorts
11:51 asciilifeform very characteristically, 'dice' author moved on to straight-out spam/scam racket. i had 0 sympathy when heard about his dekulakization .
11:52 asciilifeform fwiw i've yet to hear of any 'btc fortune' amassed via anything other than scamming. in that respect very similar to traditional moneys.
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11:53 asciilifeform afaik closest thing to 'fortune of honest merchant' was the dope fella's.
11:54 asciilifeform ( and even he, was effectively a shill for usg's tor scamola . and paid for this war crime with own arse. )
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12:29 adlai hmm, farm is indeed quite the appropriate "v.,trans." for this kind of activity; c.f. "organizing atheists is like herding cats"
12:30 adlai i'm not familiar with Voorhees's spam racket, although he also founded one of the "account-free instant altcoin exchanges", that infamously logged as much information as possible, in case it ever became valuable, or got subpoenad, or, or...
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12:57 shinohai bwahaha, good 'ol shapeshit.io
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13:55 asciilifeform adlai: imho ~exactly~ same item as e.g. the vpnisms -- 'we dun keep logs, really, promise'
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14:46 asciilifeform !w poll
14:46 watchglass Polling 11 nodes...
14:46 watchglass 205.134.172.6:8333 : (172-6.core.ai.net) Alive: (0.022s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=631802
14:46 watchglass 205.134.172.27:8333 : Alive: (0.086s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=631802 (Operator: asciilifeform)
14:46 watchglass 205.134.172.26:8333 : Alive: (0.142s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=631802
14:46 watchglass 205.134.172.4:8333 : (172-4.core.ai.net) Alive: (0.143s) V=70001 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.7.0.1/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=631802
14:46 watchglass 108.31.170.3:8333 : (pool-108-31-170-3.washdc.fios.verizon.net) Alive: (0.147s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=631802 (Operator: asciilifeform)
14:46 watchglass 192.151.158.26:8333 : Alive: (0.084s) V=70001 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.7.0.1/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=631802
14:46 watchglass 208.94.240.42:8333 : Alive: (0.166s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=631802
14:46 watchglass 143.202.160.10:8333 : Alive: (0.276s) V=70001 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.7.0.1/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=631802
14:46 watchglass 213.109.238.156:8333 : Alive: (0.335s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=631802
14:46 watchglass 188.121.168.69:8333 : (rev-188-121-168-69.radiolan.sk) Alive: (0.547s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=631802
14:47 watchglass 103.36.92.112:8333 : Busy? (No answer in 20 sec.)
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17:43 verisimilitude http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2020-05-26#1013283 The rotation of the planets isn't consistent to the same degree.
17:43 snsabot Logged on 2020-05-26 10:41:39 asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2020-05-26#1013257 << hasn't any relation to gears of clock, or state transitions of cesium atom, etc. just the same -- or what am i missing.
17:44 asciilifeform verisimilitude: moar consistent than all but the newest artificial clocks (e.g. leap second was introduced only after atomic timekeeping)
17:45 verisimilitude We no longer live in a time where a foot is measured dozens of different ways in the same country, either.
17:46 verisimilitude What I describe is an ideal, however, so it's understandable it won't be followed out.
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18:46 feedbot http://mvdstandard.net/2020/05/argument-between-old-men-over-mask-wearing-escalates-to-stabbing/ << The Montevideo Standard -- Argument Between Old Men Over Mask Wearing Escalates To Stabbing
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21:20 asciilifeform verisimilitude: i admit that i generally do not focus on ideas that require conquest of known universe for implementation.
21:20 asciilifeform ( leaving entirely aside the q of wtf to fuck with time base.. )
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23:47 verisimilitude Well, the first sentence of the article did point this out.
23:48 verisimilitude It's a relatively soft topic, certainly, and I expect to have something more technically interesting near the month's end.
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