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00:00 adlai looks like the combination of deseret.com via archive.is turns into bootcamp for unpaid OCR!
00:00 adlai tl;dr: "challenge was issued by assistant police chief... to editor of the daily [shitrag], who had run a story linking [challenger] to a smuggling case"
00:01 adlai when even the courts aren't kangaroo enough, and you gotta just kill a fucker with your own gun.
00:02 adlai it is quite noteworthy that a member of the enforcement arm is alleged as being the challenger in a petition to duel.
00:03 adlai my entirely armchair understanding of legal systems in the past ~5 millenia is that they exist in part to circumvent the need for such events, although i guess the challenger, being familiar with the local legal system, is one of those best situated to cast doubt upon it!
00:08 Vexual https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y5C6WMLxvdw
00:11 adlai _joerodgers: you have almost 512 posts archived already, i sure hope you'll spend at least a bit of time culling for disinterest while you scan for interest in the endless stream of new posts
00:11 Vexual https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wfS5tgNC6qw
00:12 adlai keeping a scrapbook is cool, and i understand the desire to do so, although i do wonder as to its utility for anyone other than the mother of the kids who are photographed in the scrapbook, and maybe their aunts and grandmothers
00:13 adlai blog posts about satoshi's baby are not too different.
00:14 adlai if you're trying to reach a skeptical audience, or educate a curious audience, why should post number 512 of the flat list, sorted by date, be any more effective than post 510, 511, or 513?
00:14 _joerodgers I appreciate your comments. I feel like this will be useful to bitcoiners now and in the future. If I am wrong, then I wasted no ones time but my own, and read some great articles along the way.
00:14 adlai tags and categories are useful to historians.
00:14 _joerodgers adlai that is why I am using them
00:15 _joerodgers I think Bitcoin will be here for the next century
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00:15 adlai my point is that what you're doing is could be much more useful to 'bitcoiners' (or whatever they'll call themselves) of the 22nd, or 23rd, century, than those of the 21st.
00:16 _joerodgers did you get to the pdf folder
00:18 Vexual https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9PukqhfMxfc
00:18 adlai no, I was just counting markdown articles under _posts
00:20 Vexual well and wanted
00:21 adlai looks like all my earlier numbers are bunk
00:22 _joerodgers you mean the size of the repo or what?
00:22 adlai "blockchain: not even once" - Teddy Ts'o, who inherited Dr Torvalds's abomination
00:22 adlai inherited, adopted, whatever they call it
00:22 adlai I mean the fact that my clone from github was not complete, so you can disregard all statistics computed on an incomplete dataset.
00:24 adlai how does this happen, and go unnoticed for so many hours? because git invented pruning before whoever invented pruning
00:25 adlai _joerodgers: in defense of journalistic integrity, I am not a journalist, and thus have no integrity; and that is not an actual quote, although "the story is true"
00:25 Vexual many ment aren't journalistic
00:25 adlai did your mommy teach you that, Vexual ?
00:26 Vexual what noe?
00:26 adlai it's a less impolite version of "that's what she said"
00:26 Vexual my mother prefered thst i kept a journal\
00:27 adlai aha!
00:27 adlai my mother also gave me a copy of the book of empty pages, and told me that i have to write a book.
00:27 Vexual nosy bitch
00:29 adlai _joerodgers: reports of my arithmetic's inaccuracy have been greatly exaggerated
00:29 Vexual shall i troll?
00:30 adlai have fun
00:33 * adlai exit ante proscenium, pursued by a troll
00:33 Vexual i'd never be pursuant. ckeck yourself
00:35 Vexual https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qafd6YIDs7Q
00:41 Vexual https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W93arU6xtmE
00:44 Vexual https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GKYsBAO7IYs
00:46 Vexual kawasaki valves
00:46 Vexual heavy springs
00:51 Vexual https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GFxdLC1rEZ4
00:56 Vexual https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5D3crqpClPY
00:59 Vexual folks whove nver been to goa for 900
01:00 Vexual imagine tying to rob vex house
01:00 Vexual fist2face.exe
01:02 Vexual https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qqvI-DOIMEc
01:06 Vexual https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3XqyGoE2Q4Y
01:10 Vexual https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YRbGP2F2oBg
01:13 Guest43871 APPARENLTY MY WHHOLE KITCHEN IS ON FIRE
01:16 Guest43871 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XyNqwXl9KQk
01:20 Guest43871 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J1cDECkN2xg&t=61s
01:23 Guest43871 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eqHddcMUF9w
01:35 Guest43871 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BFzhc3i0PRY
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06:33 jurov ave1: if you'd be so kind to join #therealbitcoin and pls discuss GNAT
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10:02 asciilifeform http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2020-05-24#1012948 << reminiscent of late '90s www's made w/ microshit 'homepage' or whatever it was that shat out 100kB+ of dross per line of input text
10:02 snsabot Logged on 2020-05-24 22:32:17 adlai: please consider removing some of the excess gloss; it seems surprising to me that there are ~5GB of, uh, 'words'
10:03 * asciilifeform naively thought that fella simply gathered coupla MB of logs and wanted to mirror'em, and couldn't find where to park. turns out, ugh, this
10:07 asciilifeform http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2020-05-24#1013006 << it's a (very baroque) version control proggy. and, try as i might, can't see wat it has to do with bitcoin
10:07 snsabot Logged on 2020-05-24 23:04:16 adlai: git, unlike bitcoin, makes it possible to rebuild the history so that you actually do delete things; in bitcoin, this would defeat the whole point of bitcoin, whereas with git, this lets you structure repositories more efficiently
10:08 asciilifeform imho using it for publication of static texts is massively wasteful. and , in this particular instance, is part of microshit's 'embrace & extend' psyops.
10:11 asciilifeform Vexual : plz dun use my chan as a toilet for youtube crapola (most of which dun even load from the americas, for whatever reason). this is yer last warning.
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10:13 asciilifeform http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2020-05-25#1013080 << depends what means 'bitcoin'. the timestamp counter overflows in 2038, for instance.
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10:13 snsabot Logged on 2020-05-25 00:15:12 _joerodgers: I think Bitcoin will be here for the next century
10:15 asciilifeform http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2020-05-25#1013124 << he's been lost at sea for a while, iirc
10:15 snsabot Logged on 2020-05-25 06:33:15 jurov: ave1: if you'd be so kind to join #therealbitcoin and pls discuss GNAT
10:15 asciilifeform !q seen-anywhere ave1
10:15 snsabot ave1 last seen in #ossasepia on 2020-04-06 04:23:33: So could you try to build with single worker?
10:17 * asciilifeform will bbl later today.
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11:10 trinque I've already given up on ^ and rewritten his thing by now
11:10 trinque will post it after a bit more debugging
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12:18 asciilifeform trinque: neato. i recall that you began rewrite of his builder thing
12:29 asciilifeform meanwhile in fan mail lulz.
12:33 trinque coward can come ask me what I'll do.
12:33 asciilifeform i have nfi. typical lurker.
12:34 trinque people have been waiting for me to steal folks coins, w/e other "coiled snake" nonsense for years now.
12:36 asciilifeform some folx covered in snake bites like sailor in tattoos, i suppose, expect 'uncoil' errywhere.
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13:08 shinohai If trinque were gonna exit scam, I'm sure would have done so while not inconsequential sums were on deposit.
13:08 snsabot (trilema) 2019-11-21 mircea_popescu: !!withdraw 23 186pzRqFXrYD5XwJ5Fh1K6twLDHSBLa5yh
13:22 * trinque burps in the affirmative
13:22 trinque the bot's address is there for all to see.
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20:44 joerodgers I know qntra is dead, but I'd like to share a little project I built that is not the same but similar in spirit. It is a RSS aggregator that wraps all the posts in Lightning Network paywalls
20:44 joerodgers https://bitcoinwords.github.io/links/docs/planet.news.html
20:46 asciilifeform joerodgers: i can't resist to ask, what does this have to do with 'qntra' (even 'in spirit' ) ?
20:46 joerodgers QNTRA pulls in bitcoin articles
20:46 asciilifeform nope
20:46 asciilifeform qntra 'pulled in' nothing, was 100% in-wot authorship
20:46 asciilifeform (largely BingoBoingo)
20:46 joerodgers I thought it linked to content
20:47 joerodgers with excerpts
20:47 BingoBoingo Link sure, but excerpts rarely
20:47 asciilifeform linked yes. but all articles written by hand, and curated by BingoBoingo
20:47 BingoBoingo When quiting it was almost always ripping whole legal filings
20:47 joerodgers got it, Qntra is much higher signal
20:49 asciilifeform joerodgers: i looked at the linked item, imho not 1 of the pages there would ever have been considered for qntra
20:50 joerodgers Understood. It was a MVP for showing RSS wrapped in LN paywalls
20:54 asciilifeform joerodgers: incidentally, the linked item is a quite exemplary showcase of this
20:54 snsabot Logged on 2020-05-24 18:20:52 asciilifeform: was put off ~entire subject~ for ~years~ by reading 'bitcoin articles'...
20:55 joerodgers I see that the linked items go deep in to the sites own posts. Qntra is very cool. I wish I would have known about it sooner
20:57 asciilifeform none of'em even seem to load (they go to some pg that asks for coin)
20:57 asciilifeform ( yet another wtf, qntra did 0 such thing at any point )
20:58 shinohai Can only pay using LN, and not Bitcoin proper.
20:58 joerodgers They are nothing alike in spirit. I should not have said that. I should have said check out this tool that wraps rss feeds in a paywall.
20:58 shinohai (More of the "muh micropayments" thing I suppose)
21:00 * asciilifeform wants collections of paywalled crapola like he wants a 2nd arse
21:03 shinohai I had nfi anyone was even using Lightning Network. Still trying to solve 30 cent problems instead of $3000 ones I guess.
21:05 asciilifeform shinohai: 99% of the work (if can dare to use word 'work'...) of a shitcoin perpetrator, is to create a synthetic appearance of 'use'
21:05 asciilifeform is how they get it into goxes, pump up exch rate, etc
21:06 joerodgers Are you suggesting LN is a shitcoin?
21:07 asciilifeform joerodgers: it is. albeit with slightly more than the usual amt of 'bitcoin flavouring' added
21:08 asciilifeform joerodgers: if anything, it's the most cynically fraudulent type of shitcoin, in that it purports to be equivalent somehow to actual bitcoin (y'know, the kind where tx follows the 2009 format, and gets mined into actual blocks..)
21:09 asciilifeform while in actuality, it ain't
21:09 joerodgers Ok, thanks for sharing.
21:09 asciilifeform this isn't some kinda mega-revelation. if you read the docs, will become entirely clear what it is
21:10 joerodgers I need to read the LN docs to see where it explains this
21:13 asciilifeform in other lulz .
21:13 shinohai joerodgers: https://lightning.network/docs/ "whereby transactions are sent over a network of micropayment channels ... whose transfer of value occurs off-blockchain."
21:14 joerodgers Are you opposed to any development off the main chain? No L2/sidechains?
21:14 shinohai Kinda defeats the purpose of a blockchain, neh?
21:14 shinohai lel asciilifeform "Plox to mirror it FOR ME"
21:14 asciilifeform joerodgers: can't speak for other people, but i'm opposed to fraud. and folx who push a paypal-like item as 'equiv. of bitcoin' are committing fraud.
21:14 joerodgers It provides a trustless scaling solution?
21:15 joerodgers fair enough
21:16 asciilifeform joerodgers: somehow i was under the impression that you've eaten years of #t logs. and therefore familiar with the favourite strategy of the enemy over past decade, i.e. pushing baroque crocks of shit under banner of 'scale bitcoin'
21:16 joerodgers Paypal takes custody of your funds and asks for KYC, I don't see how LN is that.
21:16 asciilifeform joerodgers: oblig : http://www.loper-os.org/pub/bitcoin_scaling.jpg
21:16 joerodgers I need to read more logs
21:18 asciilifeform joerodgers: the key diff b/w paypal and bitcoin aint 'kyc'. or any other particular abuse . but simply the fact that yer using a centrally-controlled pseudo-bank, rather than decentralized item.
21:18 asciilifeform the abuses can always be introduced later, when enuff chumps on board.
21:18 joerodgers I haven't been exposed to how LN will bring in this kind of centralization.
21:18 asciilifeform ( early paypal also was not esp. abusive , and was widely used by spammers, black-marketers, etc )
21:20 asciilifeform joerodgers: if you don't yet grasp why 'off-blockchain transactions' being presented as 'equiv. to bitcoin' are an instrument of fraud (and specifically attempted paypalization) -- you don't yet grasp what is the whole point of (actual) bitcoin
21:20 joerodgers got it, I am searching the logs for more reference
21:21 asciilifeform joerodgers: start with fact that the entire notion of 'scaling crisis in bitcoin' is a crock of shit, pushed by folx who specifically set out to 'embrace & extinguish' the original .
21:21 asciilifeform there is not, and never has been , 'scaling crisis' .
21:22 asciilifeform erryone who belongs using bitcoin, is able to use. who cannot use, doesn't belong using.
21:22 joerodgers I am searching the logs for "scaling". I intend on seeing your perspective.
21:25 feedbot http://mvdstandard.net/2020/05/nigerian-internet-raiders-capturing-us-unemployment-and-relief-payments/ << The Montevideo Standard -- Nigerian Internet Raiders Capturing US Unemployment And "Relief" Payments
21:27 asciilifeform joerodgers: the logs are not a magical crib sheet that substitutes for actually understanding what problem orig. 2009 bitcoin in fact set out to solve.
21:28 asciilifeform recent thread re subj, with another noob .
21:28 snsabot Logged on 2020-05-15 21:29:50 asciilifeform: lru: do you understand what problem 'mining' was solution to ?
21:28 joerodgers I do not have the history you guys have. I am trying to understand and learn. I have taken LN as a solution, but I hear what you are saying.
21:33 asciilifeform joerodgers: 'ln' is simply 1 item in ~very~ long history of attempts to subvert & destroy the original bitcoin. (the history of 'bitcoin community' is largely, in turn, a history of such attempts, each time vigorously marketed as 'progress' and 'improvement', and -- more often than not -- 'scaling' . )
21:35 asciilifeform joerodgers: if you become familiar with how and ~why~ the original worked, will immediately become obvious what i meant in above. ( whereas if you try to individually unravel each individual $shitcoin-of-the-day, 100 lifetimes will not be enough )
21:35 joerodgers I really appreciate you taking the time to spell this out. I have honestly never heard this perspective, especially towards LN.
21:36 asciilifeform joerodgers: are you familiar with trb ?
21:37 asciilifeform !w poll
21:37 watchglass Polling 11 nodes...
21:37 watchglass 205.134.172.27:8333 : Alive: (0.084s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=631719 (Operator: asciilifeform)
21:37 watchglass 205.134.172.6:8333 : (172-6.core.ai.net) Alive: (0.082s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=631719
21:37 watchglass 108.31.170.3:8333 : (pool-108-31-170-3.washdc.fios.verizon.net) Alive: (0.099s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=631719 (Operator: asciilifeform)
21:37 watchglass 205.134.172.4:8333 : (172-4.core.ai.net) Alive: (0.088s) V=70001 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.7.0.1/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=631719
21:37 watchglass 205.134.172.26:8333 : Alive: (0.124s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=631719
21:37 watchglass 192.151.158.26:8333 : Alive: (0.087s) V=70001 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.7.0.1/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=631719
21:37 watchglass 143.202.160.10:8333 : Alive: (0.231s) V=70001 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.7.0.1/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=631719
21:37 watchglass 208.94.240.42:8333 : Alive: (0.228s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=631719
21:37 watchglass 213.109.238.156:8333 : Alive: (0.404s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=631719
21:37 watchglass 103.36.92.112:8333 : (terebe.ns01.net) Alive: (0.533s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=631719
21:37 watchglass 188.121.168.69:8333 : (rev-188-121-168-69.radiolan.sk) Alive: (0.420s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=631719
21:37 joerodgers I am familiar with it as of a couple hours ago
21:38 joerodgers by familiar, I mean I have been to the webpage
21:38 joerodgers nothing more
21:38 asciilifeform ^ trb nodes. (by no means all, simply the ones asciilifeform's nodes peer with.) none of'em support, or will ever support, 'ln', 'segwit', etc.
21:38 asciilifeform there's a reason for this.
21:39 shinohai I explained to joerodgers earlier on Telegram that trb contains no p2sh or segwit addys, etc.
21:39 asciilifeform joerodgers: literally same protocol as used in 2009. i.e. none of the 'improvements' .
21:40 asciilifeform joerodgers: on this page, a (mostly) complete history of changes vs. the starting point (bitcoin 0.5.3) .
21:40 asciilifeform should suffice to give you some idea.
21:43 joerodgers that's helpful
21:43 joerodgers I need to learn how to run this
21:44 asciilifeform trb (excluding the dependency tarballs) is approx. 22k ln.
21:44 joerodgers wow
21:44 joerodgers that is lean
21:44 joerodgers ahinohai was kind enough to offer to help setup trb once I get a proper linux machine running
21:47 BingoBoingo joerodgers: The instructions one the site are incredibly on point. I recently rebuilt with the latest anti-wedge patch. A++
21:48 asciilifeform compare this to e.g. 'core' warcrime.
21:55 asciilifeform meanwhile.
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22:11 feedbot http://verisimilitudes.net/2020-05-25 << A Syndication of Verisimilitudes -- Disregard, Decimate Decimal
22:12 asciilifeform verisimilitude: see oblig. naggum re subj..
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22:49 feedbot http://thimbron.com/2020/05/search-prototype/ << Thimbron -- Search Prototype
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23:04 verisimilitude I've read the paper, yes.
23:07 verisimilitude It was a good paper, but I disagree with his proposal; it preserves too much of the asinine aspects of time.
23:08 verisimilitude A better solution is to be away with them. Unfortunately for me, I'm currently powerless to enforce this.
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