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14:29 shinohai Having girls read #t logs to me is a joy: "Who is Andrey Vyshinsky, and what happened in 1938?" A wonderful addition to her post Colombian socialist education.
14:31 asciilifeform shinohai: read, read.
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16:36 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: my present thought is to make limited run of 'classical' FG, for own plant; but afterwards will put into production the MB/s scintillator-powered successor. who wants to fixate on the 7kB/s item, can continue to do so, there's moar than enuff for erryone in the pile mp is repossessing.
~ 40 minutes ~
17:17 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: mp evidently intends to fling shit until my tennis racket is too heavy to lift, and something sticks. 'charlatan', 'scammer', etc. why not also 'thief'. hence the pedantic inv request, it aint my intention for BingoBoingo to break his back lifting machines. but i assume , thus far , that BingoBoingo dun intend to cooperate in the flinging.
17:19 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: if i'm mistaken re the assumption, would prefer to know sooner than later.
17:19 BingoBoingo asciilifeform: I don't intend to fire any shots. It's not the lifting of machines, that is an issue. It is the time doing so over and over again takes
17:21 BingoBoingo http://bingology.net/2019/10/29/preliminary-inventory-of-items-once-hosted-by-pizarro-and-presently-in-my-care/
17:21 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: right, time. i expect you understand tho that eventually you may have to make a call. e.g. when he decides that asciilifeform's remnant coin in piz belongs to him, or that the auction irons do, or fatwa against hosting w/ asciilifeform .
17:24 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: for instance, the tx to refill my trinquewallet appears to be hanging in outer space, presently 0 trace of it anywhere. entirely possib that i'ma lose access to trinquewallet before getting to pay e.g. mp his 0.3 .
17:24 asciilifeform after which will fling moar shit.
17:25 BingoBoingo asciilifeform: I have a pending withdrawal there. I suspect he hasn't made it to "missile control" to verify incoming and do key operation for outgoing.
17:35 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: the moar general point, is that you were there in '15, and know how this movie ends.
17:35 BingoBoingo asciilifeform: It seems the conversative, detailed lens you bring that allows you to produce gems like FFA is damaging to other sorts of tasks. MP, after trying to get you to try on some other lenses for years when looking at other things, has decided he can't tell if your conservatism is an unchangable force of nature or something else. For this reason, and the fact your conservatism seems to be surviving this crisis, he wants to
17:35 BingoBoingo insulate himself.
17:36 BingoBoingo asciilifeform: Very different dispute from '15
17:36 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: very similar imho. even tho kako was a scumbag for unrelated reasons, and i'll smile when meet him in hell
17:37 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: i elementarily dun have with-what to 'try' mp's 'tries'. w/out my day job, the lights go out in coupla wks, and that's it, will have to find where laddel's grave and lie down in it
17:38 BingoBoingo Well, I don't know with a reasonable degree of confidence what part of the world I'll be in when we roll over into 2020 or what I will be doing there.
17:38 diana_coman http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/asciilifeform/2019-10-30#1000810 - fwiw I agree with BingoBoingo's assessment here.
17:38 ossabot Logged on 2019-10-30 14:40:29 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: It seems the conversative, detailed lens you bring that allows you to produce gems like FFA is damaging to other sorts of tasks. MP, after trying to get you to try on some other lenses for years when looking at other things, has decided he can't tell if your conservatism is an unchangable force of nature or something else. For this reason, and the fact your conservatism seems to be surviving t
17:38 BingoBoingo brb, coffee
17:38 asciilifeform ohai diana_coman
17:38 diana_coman hello asciilifeform, not like I wasn't here before or anything.
17:39 asciilifeform diana_coman: i can see that yer here, but iirc yer also violating orders of fuhrer by being here. so by speaking you risk to end up in same garbage can as asciilifeform , y'know.
17:39 snsabot (trilema) 2019-10-30 mp_en_viaje: do you remember that instance i actually forbade your talking to alf ?
17:39 diana_coman asciilifeform: once again, none of your concern.
17:39 asciilifeform aite, for so long as diana_coman understands , at own risk etc.
17:40 diana_coman asciilifeform: I'm an adult, thank you.
17:40 asciilifeform if diana_coman has comments i'ma answer ( tho atm also fighting phones and other horrors from the cthonic depths asciilifeform inhabits )
17:41 diana_coman only as stated earlier http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/asciilifeform/2019-10-30#1000816
17:41 ossabot Logged on 2019-10-30 14:42:47 diana_coman: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/asciilifeform/2019-10-30#1000810 - fwiw I agree with BingoBoingo's assessment here.
17:42 * diana_coman will go and take a walk anyway.
17:42 asciilifeform diana_coman: i dun expect any resolution to 'mexican standoff' where mp wants to isolate self from asciilifeform's 'charlatanry', and asciilifeform wants (imho reasonably) to isolate self from mocky-style suicide missions.
17:42 asciilifeform diana_coman: enjoy walk. i'ma take q's later this evening from whoever wants.
17:50 asciilifeform BingoBoingo when you get back : i'm curious , do you think ( as mp appears to ) that asciilifeform is seekritly loaded, i.e. actually has the option of not working for heathens, and lyin' about it ?
17:52 BingoBoingo asciilifeform: I am not under that impression.
17:53 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: fill in the logic for me then plox. ( postulating that this '38 is actually about ' asciilifeform's evil isp ', as supposedly, tho imho it has ~0 to do with it, simply to do w/ mp's 'im'a destroy errything i dun 100% control' politic )
17:54 BingoBoingo I am under the impression your lensing would force you to choose oscilloscopes over opportunity to break free for conservatively overweighing what you have in hand/shed and underweighting the opportunity that may exist in the fog of uncertainty.
17:55 PeterL asciilifeform: I was under the impression that MP was trying to get you to change your secular/TMSR ratio so as to have income from the second, rather than foregoing the first completely
17:56 asciilifeform PeterL: i'd have set the ratio to 100% for tmsr. back in '13. but with what ? unlike ~errybody else present, i was not 'early btc' fella, have no usefully liquid capitals, ~0 (per mp) aptitude for wheelin'-and-dealin' .
17:56 asciilifeform PeterL: so what was really asked for is 'hey wouldja like to starve?' like e.g. mocky.
17:59 * BingoBoingo has no idea whether Mocky starved or has been occupied since his last communication due to conquering the Java mine
18:00 asciilifeform i expect w/ saving up for a pistol to eat.
18:01 BingoBoingo In the south eastern US? Arms prices have shot up quite a bit since Obama, but there's still large caliber entry level models
18:02 asciilifeform wilkommen, trinque
18:02 trinque asciilifeform: I received orders to unperson you, and thus have spent all your BTC on hookers and vasoline.
18:02 trinque I'm sure this comes as little surprise
18:03 asciilifeform trinque: lol. you may have to tell the hookers to wait, loox like my tx still stuck...
18:03 asciilifeform trinque: share plox the vaseline, if you have some left over!11
18:03 trinque hahaha
18:04 asciilifeform 'with or without vaseline, it's yer turn in the machine'(tm)(r)(old colleague)
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18:28 asciilifeform BingoBoingo et al : as you can prolly guess, most of asciilifeform's coin ( and good % of fiatola from when last 'java mine and saving for pistol' ) is gone. spent on largely futile attempt to be of use to republic.
18:39 asciilifeform mp prolly oughta have sent asciilifeform packing when FG didn't get 9000 orders.
18:39 asciilifeform ( nevermind that the snsa charter did not put asciilifeform in charge of marketing/propaganda. but hey, who gives a shit re charters, or even elementary logic, anymoar )
18:41 asciilifeform 'division of labour is for insects', rright ? errybody oughta be a maffs pro, a concert pianist, a marksman, and a marketer, otherwise aint worth the dirt on mp's boots, neh.
~ 22 minutes ~
19:03 BingoBoingo asciilifeform: That's what I've gathered from what you presented so far. It's a large part of why I am still open to collaborating with you on a shared hosting offering for your cottage ISP. I do want you to make it to a land with cheese and ice cream.
19:03 BingoBoingo asciilifeform: My big concern for you is that despite this expensive experience and the shock that rolled in with this month... you remain committed to the conservative lensing an insensitivity to opportunities for leverage. In my reading the moment MP set the disregard bit on your ISP plan was when he encountered the no outside capital ever declaration.
19:04 BingoBoingo asciilifeform: I understand you have reservations about surrendering control, but that reflexive retreat to conversatism committed you to a position that will handicap your effort. If you had instead started from considered conditionals under which you'd consider taking investment to speed growth once they'd been hit, that could have demonstrated some learning from the pain.
19:04 BingoBoingo asciilifeform: I've still got handicaps and stupid I'm burdened with, but I hope that I'm learning all I get from retreating to them is more pain.
19:05 trinque as for "I'm not a marketer" I made several passes at y'all regarding doing exactly that, and it was as ignored as my offer to invest in hardware production.
19:05 asciilifeform i dun expect they'll be any retreating, BingoBoingo . what's done is done.
19:06 asciilifeform trinque: fwiw i believe you , that you wanted to invest in hardware. (even tho wasn't how i orig read the thread.) trinque is a fella i always believed.
19:06 trinque I do not lie.
19:08 asciilifeform fwiw i'd work w/ trinque , on just about anyffin, w/out a 2nd thought. so long as it makes some kinda sporting chance , rather than simply beautiful kamikaze mission .
19:09 trinque ftr I'm not into kamikaze myself. but lets let the dust settle here.
19:10 trinque I went on a tirade last week precisely because http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-05-17#1914461
19:10 snsabot (trilema) 2019-05-17 trinque: republic is scant of profit centers
19:10 asciilifeform trinque is 100% right about this, imho.
19:11 trinque my opinion is that it is in part due to *all* of our narcissism, which means also mine.
19:11 trinque cannot imitate or emulate the affectations of someone who has already won at wealth, success, etc
19:11 trinque I am still digesting what this means for myself.
19:12 asciilifeform trinque: afaik you might be the only 1 to date w/ a 100% working, unquestionably +ev btc operation, in entire republic .
19:12 asciilifeform and this was even w/out having to 'full time' it.
19:13 trinque extremely low cost-basis on that one
19:13 asciilifeform ( or asking folx for mega-coin investments , for that matter )
19:13 asciilifeform right but that's the genius.
19:13 asciilifeform i tried to imitate trinque's , fwiw, with micro isp.
19:14 trinque on the subj of the wallet, it has occurred to me that the actual business isn't the wallet. it'd be providing "interface to fiatola world" as a service
19:14 BingoBoingo I don't know how to read http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-30#1948824 except as a terminal retreat. For years MP has been hitting folks to varying degrees on the accumulated dysfunctions in their worldviews and workflows.
19:14 ossabot (trilema) 2019-10-30 asciilifeform: if possible i'd like to collect all the due -10 bullets from the firing squad which 'went to reflect' 1st. but this is purely asciilifeform's aesthetic pref, obv. not necessarily will be followed. 'let those w/out sin throw 1st stone.'
19:14 trinque this is what we've ad hoc'd with the thing so far anyway
19:14 asciilifeform trinque: that'd be the gold medal, imho, yes . if could interface.
19:15 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: if indeed asciilifeform has nuffin left to offer to the cause , then it's the logical last stop of the train, yes. how else.
19:16 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: y'know, just like the prev 9000 freeloaders who got booted.
19:17 BingoBoingo "interfacing to fiat world" is what the auctions beginning in September covered for a very small portion of the fiat space.
19:17 trinque right.
19:18 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: i was thinking, had buncha usefuls to offer, some in rack already, others sitting here in the torture tester. but if no one wants'em except if they come with 500kg of unobtainium, then indeed what left.
19:19 BingoBoingo asciilifeform: Well, there's the road less taken. Keep working on your projects, keep yourself present and available, try to unburden yourself of the handicaps. Maybe in 1, 2, 5, 10 years there's reason to celebrate?
19:23 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: iirc i already said, that aint going anywhere. and that the projs will roll. even if no one remains to tune in. i expect that mp will make difficulties for anyone found to be detectably tuning in, tho.
19:24 asciilifeform i expect he's already working, for instance, on constructing a backpedalling from the 'you signed vpatch? yer now equivalent to orig author' doctrine.
19:25 asciilifeform fella genuinely thinks he's a god. and ergo whatever failure is to be blamed on anyone other then himself.
19:25 BingoBoingo asciilifeform: I expect those difficulties will be limited to cautions about your time/leverage insensitivity, case specific management decisions, and stern warnings that the lensing that allows you to produce gems is very dangerous applied to the rest of the world.
19:26 asciilifeform *than
19:26 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: i suppose we'll see
19:27 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: imho the 'it was poisonous garbage' thread dun leave much room for interpretation tho.
19:28 trinque if the man wanted to be a dictator, I have very little doubt he'd be currently that instead of what he is.
19:29 asciilifeform trinque: proper dictatoring, i suspect, is too much like work
19:29 trinque most of the stalinesque comparisons seem to be coming from you
19:29 BingoBoingo He's admitted errors of pilotage, recently. Including that thread.
19:29 asciilifeform trinque: do you see the comparisons as 100% baseless ?
19:29 trinque entirely.
19:29 trinque not to mention contrary to his vast body of work
19:30 asciilifeform trinque: his body of work is pretty interesting, imho, which is how i tuned in. but in past coupla yr it mostly sums, imho, to 'i'ma inerrant god, watch them tards die under my boot'
19:30 * BingoBoingo is discounting the metaphors at this time as noise.
19:31 asciilifeform fwiw i suspect that gigantic bags of moolah are at least as poisonous to the brain as heavy metals. and that nobody's exempt.
19:31 trinque this is only one of your several very soviet-seeming beliefs.
19:32 trinque what I think is perhaps toxic to the brain is having no contemporaries.
19:32 BingoBoingo asciilifeform: I've been reading "I've been taking small advantages for my self and the relative effects are incredible, and I'm telling you how I do this for free"
19:32 asciilifeform trinque: if you like. tho you prolly know that even in rome they had a designated expendable whose job consisted in whispering to triumphant emperor 'you are mortal'
19:32 asciilifeform mp has no one to do this.
19:33 * BingoBoingo must tune out of this tread for a couple hours.
19:33 asciilifeform laters, then, BingoBoingo .
19:34 asciilifeform trinque: i dun contend that 'no one oughta sleep with gigantic bag of moolah.' simply that it has occupational hazards, like sleeping on operating reactor.
19:36 asciilifeform sufficiently large bag, and you too can simulate for yerself for decades on end the illusion of never being in the wrong. and of infinite auctoritas , you'll be 4evah surrounded with circle of folx who 'want to also learn how to sleep on gigantic bag'
19:37 asciilifeform in sovok, trinque , the exact same process played out, simply w/ an unwritten altcoin instead of what you'd recognize as money
19:37 asciilifeform ( cuz dumb orcs never properly invented money )
19:38 asciilifeform e.g. ~some~ of the folx who devoted life to writing biographies of l. i. brezhnev, may've been paid ; but the rest, genuinely ~respected~, cuz 'he's on the mighty throne, surely can teach us how to also'
19:41 asciilifeform not even to say that i disagree w/ mp's ideas, back when he was posting actual ideas, rather than 'here's the schniztel my slaves an' i ate, tremble before my throne'. if didn't agree, wouldn't have worked with him.
19:42 trinque man's already said, and now it's well past "either do it or don't; what do I care?" imho.
19:42 trinque I don't expect him to adjust any of that to make me feel better, either
19:43 asciilifeform trinque: it's quite evident that he went to the 'i said it, and still ocean hasn't parted, it's them fucking lamers to blame, i'ma collect a new set that'll obey properly'
19:44 trinque your extreme metaphors are really difficult, you know.
19:44 trinque running a small business isn't ocean-parting. it's just shitty, difficult work, with high failure rate.
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19:45 asciilifeform trinque: do you picture e.g. isp that services 1000u of boxen , as 'small' ?
19:45 trinque I deal with one that grew from a few racks in somebody else's DC to own building over the past say 5yrs
19:45 trinque and I'm sure it was hell for them.
19:46 asciilifeform it's certainly possible to build a dc. hell, somebody built the 1 i'm in.
19:46 asciilifeform but he didn't have to do it with 'i'ma fill it w/ people who all know one another' and each installing 1-2 box.
19:47 trinque nope, did it with sales, which is the act of talking to strangers and persuading them to give you their money.
19:47 trinque requires a lot of aggressive outbound to get a startup going.
19:48 asciilifeform certainly. but in this case it aint simply about strangers agreeing to part w/ money.
19:49 asciilifeform they also gotta part with, at the minimal, ~btc~. are there even 1000 people alive who have appreciable coin or where to get ?
19:51 asciilifeform orthogonally to this q , whatever happened to 'no moar 1000 wot people in 1 rack', i was also curious.
19:51 trinque happened to what?
19:52 asciilifeform evidently the 'let's not geo-concentrate all the eggs in 1 basket' wasn't a statement of principle, but just a stick picked up for the occasion to beat asciilifeform with ?
19:52 trinque re: previous, I would've taken instead the approach of "cow farm pays for rancher's house"
19:52 trinque I dunno, now you're criticizing him for being flexible in the face of failure
19:52 trinque which is precisely the thing you lack
19:53 asciilifeform trinque: to run with this model, it may very well be the case that 'cow can pay for rancher's house.' with skilled rancher. i aint got this skill.
19:53 asciilifeform so far erry single contact of asciilifeform w/ 'cows' ended up with hoofprints in face and ~0 to show for it but empty pockets.
19:54 trinque fair enough, but I never heard of a feudal fief without livestock
19:54 * trinque brb
19:55 asciilifeform trinque: there in fact existed feudal fiefs w/out livestock and operated by vassal who had 2 boots and a jacket to his name. but at the ~sunset~ of feudal era, not at dawn .
19:58 asciilifeform trinque: in my resignation (which for some reason mp not yet saw fit to drop into the deedbot, i'ma prolly have to do it manually 1ce all the dust settles) specifically said this -- i dun have the resources to lord. will happily supply goods an' services to folx w/ resources on cash-and-carry basis, should they be interested. but no moar.
20:00 trinque deedbot is currently nodeless until I get another stood up with the proper prosthetics
20:00 trinque should be soon, but for now, !!deed will just enqueue
20:00 asciilifeform ugh so that tx aint ever clearing is it
20:00 asciilifeform ( or not till trinque rebakes whole thing ? )
20:03 PeterL asciilifeform: I am confused, why does MP have to drop your resignation into deedbot? Wouldn't it be you that puts it in?
20:03 asciilifeform PeterL: he dun have to. but i followed tradition of 'give commander sealed resignation'. evidently they didn't have this on his homeworld.
20:04 PeterL oh, I see now
20:06 * asciilifeform will also bbl.
20:08 trinque asciilifeform: nah, I can process deposits
20:08 trinque I'm just talking about !!deed
20:08 trinque separate things
20:14 shinohai http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2019-10-30#1000920 <<< can attest, my camho operations, while rewarding, was fraught with difficulty the greatest being I naively trusted in BitPay to keep the crypto/fiat interface smoothly working.
20:14 snsabot Logged on 2019-10-30 19:44:40 trinque: running a small business isn't ocean-parting. it's just shitty, difficult work, with high failure rate.
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20:34 PeterL http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/asciilifeform/2019-10-30#1000887 << MP could say "alf no longer person, I only use items if signed by somebody else" rather than "anything ALF wrote must be destroyed"
20:34 ossabot Logged on 2019-10-30 16:29:13 asciilifeform: i expect he's already working, for instance, on constructing a backpedalling from the 'you signed vpatch? yer now equivalent to orig author' doctrine.
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20:49 asciilifeform trinque: aite, will keep watching for that tx then
20:49 asciilifeform PeterL: this worx a++, but dun solve his prob 100%, or already would've wrapped up, rather than 'omfg wat do' thrd. he wants to be rid of the ~ideas~, not simply the proggies.
20:50 asciilifeform PeterL: cuz, y'know, 'poisonous offerings'
20:52 asciilifeform shinohai: ftr i refuse to use any heathen-built 'gateways for coin' etc. can use only a) 'fiatola from own pocket always, coin goes in storage' or b) BingoBoingo-style auctions. but even before expulsion where i lose access to (b) entirely, it was mixed bag -- delivered severely under-market exch rate, and w/ wildly variable delay
20:54 asciilifeform PeterL: see, per the new mp-cosmography, asciilifeform ~hypnotized~ mp et al into using v, trng, gentoo, ..., etc. ( this is quite a compliment , imho, 'hypnotized world's greatest hypnotist' , but i dun particularly care for compliments )
20:57 asciilifeform PeterL: for some proggies, e.g. the wartime logger, which was an' is shite, they have very trivial , if slow 'rewrite in php'. for other things -- not so much.
20:57 shinohai Hey, I learned my lesson but at time was *only* gateway I had.
20:58 trinque asciilifeform: what'd it harm to consider the hypothesis that it's how you interface with other humans, rather than the quality of your work, that's poisonous
20:58 trinque we spent how many years talking about the psychological disorders of americans
20:58 trinque what of you sovworld folks eh?
20:58 asciilifeform trinque: possibly cuz mp's hypnomagick still worx on me, i dunno
20:58 asciilifeform maybe all ~was~ poison
20:59 asciilifeform trinque: imho possibly asciilifeform's (and other sovok folx) greatest psychofailure is that we... believe in fuhrers.
21:01 BingoBoingo asciilifeform: Bulls pay for the rancher's or dairyman's house. Cows are pretty fungible, they just make more cows, steers, and dairy.
21:01 asciilifeform i dun have any illusion that i can 'out-mp mp', trinque . will have to try, when sent away to work alone and various leeches certain to appear to try to 'make friends' . worked alone for 6+y and solved this by simply sending'em all to hell, 'better alone on island than w/ bob becks'.
21:04 asciilifeform trinque: ftr mp is actually moar of a humanitarian than asciilifeform . he at least 'believes in people' in abstract. whereas i'm sorta running outta the 'belief in people' juice that i borrowed from mp.
21:04 trinque fuhrerfollowing was only one of the sovietisms I observed. the other is "you're a secret traitor, and I always knew!"
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21:05 asciilifeform trinque: i dunno yet whether mp suffers from this, but i dun think he 'seekrit traitor'. fwiw i 100% buy that he believes the things he says.
21:06 trinque at any rate, it's called the web of trust, isn't it
21:06 trinque not the web of mutual dickrubbing
21:06 asciilifeform indeed
21:07 trinque and no, I don't think mp a liar either.
21:07 asciilifeform i suppose since 4-5 people on vacation, and left their launch codes at home, it's also atm the web of 'i'ma shoot later'
21:11 trinque I'll tell you where things wear thin for me.
21:12 trinque there's been a lot of pompous ubermench blather over the years, redditard this and w/e
21:12 trinque and don't think me a redditard apologist now
21:12 asciilifeform trinque: fwiw i aint convinced that ubermenschen exist. ~untermenschen~ defo exist, tho.
21:12 trinque but it's plainly evident the fixation on hatred just ends up consuming all.
21:13 trinque infecting social habits among peers.
21:13 trinque I'm certain more than one gentleman left due to ^
21:13 asciilifeform trinque: i've wondered occasionally whether i only agreed to work w/ mp on acct of hating the same people.
21:13 trinque not because baw stop teh hate, but because wtf, how have you earned that? where's your castle?
21:13 trinque mp has. and this isn't hero worship out of me.
21:14 asciilifeform trinque: does one need a great castle to hate mosquitoes and lice ?
21:14 asciilifeform to justifiably hate, i mean
21:14 trinque one needs nothing to, but what's it gain?
21:14 asciilifeform it gains one's clothes not being alive w/ lice, for instance.
21:14 trinque you seem pretty itchy.
21:15 asciilifeform not half as itchy as before threw out 'open sores philosophy' outta head, for instance.
21:17 trinque I'm not even speaking about said untermenschen
21:17 asciilifeform trinque: who then were you thinking of ?
21:17 trinque ourselves. l1.
21:18 asciilifeform i dun hate anyone in the current l1, trinque
21:19 trinque do you trust anyone in the l1?
21:19 asciilifeform trinque: atm i do, which is wai haven't touched the ratings ( i aint on vacation, have the launch codes 5min away )
21:20 asciilifeform dunno about the reverse tho. possibly folx simply slow on the draw atm.
21:22 asciilifeform iirc kako's firing squad also took coupla days tho. ( somehow folx often have this desire to confer and agree on 'exactly why' $condemned's goose was cooked , for instance. )
21:22 trinque ^ you wouldn't imagine narratives like this except about folks you hate.
21:23 trinque this kind of thing sits in you coiled like a spring, and when you "don't hate" someone you hold onto it as best you can.
21:23 asciilifeform trinque: picture if erry dog you ever came near, had bitten you. not necessarily immediately, but after 2, 3, 500th time.
21:25 trinque yeah, this is exactly my girl's "I got stepped on at a concert" I cured her of.
21:25 trinque it isn't as if I cured her of this by making her taller
21:26 asciilifeform trinque: i can't resist to ask : how didja cure ? ( and why so certain that cured ? )
21:26 trinque her prior strategy was exactly "fuck you untermenschen; I shall not be moved!!!1!1!!"
21:27 asciilifeform trinque: i 'moved' for 7y until had nowhere to move.
21:27 trinque by making her more concerned about me than whatever her hindbrain wanted to yammer about, and then to prescribe alternate tactics that actually used her strengths (cute, nice butt, etc)
21:27 trinque "make friends with everyone and get a dance party going!"
21:28 trinque and you know, she had the time of her life, and then thanked me for cornering her on it.
21:30 asciilifeform i had a notbad, imho, 7y 'dance party', trinque . nao mostly folx went, left broken dishes.
21:34 * asciilifeform to get some night air; bbl
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22:32 lobbes http://logs.ericbenevides.com/log/asciilifeform/2019-10-30#1000839 << fwiw when I met with him it did not seem like he was heading for starvation
22:32 ericbot Logged on 2019-10-30 18:02:41 BingoBoingo: has no idea whether Mocky starved or has been occupied since his last communication due to conquering the Java mine
22:32 lobbes (of course, that was months ago and radio silence since. who knows)
22:33 asciilifeform !q seen-anywhere Mocky
22:33 snsabot Mocky last seen in #trilema on 2019-09-04 22:32:32: I fell down a rabbit hole
~ 15 minutes ~
22:49 lobbes http://logs.ericbenevides.com/log/asciilifeform/2019-10-30#1000960 << also fwiw, I have 0 plans to prevent asciilifeform from using auctionbot. I'll even bring it into #a if requested
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22:49 ericbot Logged on 2019-10-30 20:54:50 asciilifeform: shinohai: ftr i refuse to use any heathen-built 'gateways for coin' etc. can use only a) 'fiatola from own pocket always, coin goes in storage' or b) BingoBoingo-style auctions. but even before expulsion where i lose access to (b) entirely, it was mixed bag -- delivered severely under-market exch rate, and w/ wildly variable delay
22:50 asciilifeform ty lobbes . i wouldn't like to see lobbes fatwa'd , tho, imho lobbes has good prospects .
22:58 asciilifeform i dun expect, lobbes , that mp will have much patience for folx who go to 'poison well' to get some moar 'poisoned', trade-with-enemy.
23:01 lobbes well, at this juncture imagining myself being fatwa'd for such a thing sounds like "man with bloody axe rings your doorbell" territory. I guess possible, but I won't waste worry cycles on it now
23:01 lobbes an' I think (as I also think BingoBoingo aptly pointed out earlier) that the 'poison' refers to the conservative lens you use, not the quality of your work. He fatwa'd diana_coman from working with you on eulora related things because he perceives it to be a high cost in operations
23:02 asciilifeform lobbes: the fella 'w/ the axe' has already rung that doorbell.
23:02 lobbes but an automated bot running in #a; I mean that is low cost by definition
23:02 asciilifeform lobbes: until i bid on an' win an auction, then suddenly 'wat-do'
23:06 asciilifeform lobbes: re eulora -- i still find it puzzling , just where did i get the cylinder of hypnosis gas, and how piped it into diana_coman and mp , so they picked up mpi, then ada, then ffa, ada-udp, etc. given obv. 'high cost'.
23:06 lobbes maybe. I'll cross that bridge if/when it happens tho. Worse case I just have two bots: 1 mp sanctioned and 1 not. Not like mp forces trinque to run his private sphere business with tmsr only folk, you know?
23:07 asciilifeform lobbes: how does one run an auction for same thing on 2 disconnected auctionbots ?!
23:07 asciilifeform say the piz liquidation. where'll that run ?
23:07 lobbes aa I see what you mean. Dunno! too many unknowns atm. Gotta cross those bridges first
23:09 lobbes anyways, I'm off to consume food. bbl
23:09 asciilifeform aite lobbes . i defo welcome your bot here. but recall how '15 went: one can 'sit on 2 chairs w/ 1 arse' only for so long.
23:09 asciilifeform laters lobbes .
23:20 asciilifeform know, lobbes et al, that i dun have a posh '2nd chair' to offer to mutineers. all i got is irons, software, and isp that actually work. but i dun have, for instance, delish schnitzels. or harems, or budapests, or bags o'moolah .
23:23 shinohai heh I'm already persona non grata next door, one of few reasons I have stayed tuned in for past year + is because I have, as always, found asciilifeform's work interesting.
23:24 shinohai moolah and harem I have, perhaps not @ MP levels but enough for own comfort. (Thanks Johnson & Johnson!)
23:24 asciilifeform why ty shinohai . ( will be moar interesting still when you get to doing something w/ it, imho tho )
23:27 shinohai Well I no longer have any peers to guide me in that area, though I'm sure time will come when aha! moment strikes.
23:29 asciilifeform shinohai: i fughet what it was -- was shinohai run over by bulldozer ?
23:29 asciilifeform ( how came about the 'enough for own comfort' )
23:31 shinohai No, it was determined during my '18 surgery that faulty product by J&J caused it (from previous surgery) ... so despite MP's mocking I sued, settled out of court with 'em.
23:31 asciilifeform a
23:31 asciilifeform for some reason i distinctly recalled bulldozer ; and also that while reading orig thread thinking 'wish i had a line of work that put me in contact with bulldozers..'
23:31 asciilifeform possib. that was someone else, not shinohai .
23:32 shinohai Oh! You were close. I got injured by forklift in my previous saltmine job, which led to surgery 1 mentioned above.
23:33 asciilifeform aa.
23:34 shinohai shinohai's job? Writing safety manuals in Spanish. Irony of ironies, said forklift operator obviously did not read materials I wrote very well.
23:37 asciilifeform working in salt mine erryday, w/ the knowledge that it only stops when yer dead -- sux. (even w/ 'humane' 0-commute salt mines, there also hangs the damocle's sword that eventually will end up in conventional one again someday )
23:42 shinohai Dunno what type of mine asciilifeform currently labors in, but can always bounce of equipment like I did. Don't wind up like the 99% and drink yerself to death afterwards from boredom tho.
23:42 asciilifeform bounce of equipment ?
23:44 shinohai s/of/off/
23:45 asciilifeform lol shinohai , what equipment. my own chair ? i'm in a 'humane' 1 atm, where the only thing that leaves house is electrons.
23:45 asciilifeform ( these never last tho. )
23:46 shinohai Nah, I did the remote from home thing for years, usually one off offerings.
23:48 asciilifeform also i haven't yet met anyone who drank to death from ~boredom~ just yet. ( from erry other reason -- but boredom. )
23:51 shinohai Well I enjoy a wee nip now and again, but 100% sure it won't cure boredom or any other ailment.
23:51 * asciilifeform bbl,meat
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