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01:50 lobbes asciilifeform: bot is in and currently set to announce live auctions once every 5 hours.
01:56 trinque http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2019-11-04#1001218 << your business produced zero money. you dispute this, or what
01:56 snsabot Logged on 2019-11-04 14:15:58 asciilifeform: and i'd like to hear concrete answers, from : ave1 , BingoBoingo , bvt , diana_coman , lobbes , mod6 , spyked , trinque .
01:57 trinque I've been a part of many of these which produced jack shit, myself.
01:59 trinque http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2019-11-04#1001447 << this btw is a coward's move. you lead with the broad insult, then later when someone finally says "know what? fuck you buddy" you'll say http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2019-10-30#1000973
01:59 snsabot Logged on 2019-11-04 19:06:24 asciilifeform: nao i'm curious re whether principled folx even exist.
01:59 snsabot Logged on 2019-10-30 21:04:52 trinque: fuhrerfollowing was only one of the sovietisms I observed. the other is "you're a secret traitor, and I always knew!"
02:00 trinque http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2019-11-04#1001273 << this will shortly be possible on your own power, with published items once I'm done tidying
02:00 snsabot Logged on 2019-11-04 16:28:37 asciilifeform: trinque are you willing/able to put deedbot here ? (and, does this require the rewrite ? or could be done as it stands ?)
02:02 trinque http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2019-11-04#1001220 << so in alfworld, my choice is mp's ego or alf's.
02:02 snsabot Logged on 2019-11-04 14:26:13 asciilifeform: at this pt i'ma say that what, if anyffin, remains of the republic -- is currently assembled ~here~. let's see what, exactly , remains.
02:02 trinque notice I do not exist at all in this construction.
02:03 trinque so no, I'm not falling over myself to now swear allegiance to alf's pirate galleon or w/e the toys on the symbol table will next be.
02:11 lobbes ^ this is a mega-point btw. While I got butthurt a year ago when shinohai accused me of larping, in retrospect he was right: I was larping. Sometimes it is good to reflect on others' lampoons
02:14 trinque I will be a part of no group of men that cannot learn.
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03:18 lobbes asciilifeform: (since you pinged me for input) remember too that the original la serenissima was a republic of wealthy merchants, not ships. The ships (no matter how well constructed) will not command the seas themselves.
03:18 lobbes I haven't seen a single person (includ. mp, I would argue) that has called into question the quality of your work. Rather the 'attack' is towards, specifically, the way in which you interface with others
03:26 asciilifeform lobbes: you an' i may have read mp's verdict differently. but i'ma leave off presently.
03:26 asciilifeform trinque: it's entirely tru that none of it ever made any moneys.
03:28 asciilifeform trinque: i vaguely suspect that i'm in 100% wrong biz, oughta be skinning squirrels an' sewing coats or similar.
03:32 * asciilifeform will be doing a 1x/24h log eat for next coupla days, on acct of gulag. advance apologies to anyone who (who?) needed in real time.
03:33 asciilifeform ty lobbes for logbot.
03:33 * asciilifeform bbl
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03:55 trinque eh my understanding is just that asciilifeform is a scientist, not an entrepreneur
03:55 trinque this isn't a sin until one tries to misapply one to the other.
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03:58 lobbes sure, and also the scientist needs to be able to interface with the entrepreneurs if working in a joint venture
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04:09 lobbes or whatever analogy you prefer; your dick has to interface with cunt, not the wall. idk, it has all been said
04:09 * lobbes bbl
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09:46 spyked http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2019-11-04#1001217 <-- oh man. the point is that most software (and prolly some of the hardware too) has zero economic value in and of itself; and even when put to useful work, it's the work that brings value, not the software. look at linus' kernel for example, it's a reliable technical product, but would you say the dude made a business out of it?
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09:46 snsabot Logged on 2019-11-04 14:14:51 asciilifeform: mp's latest masterpiece doesn't disappoint. diana_coman i suspect this, for instance, is a q addressed to erryone here.
09:49 spyked y'know, it's easy to berate usg corps for doing the evil empire's bidding, but even those have marketing&sales departments. because someone's gotta talk to people and get them to buy their stuff while engineers engineer while they engineer.
09:51 spyked so yes, sometimes r&d work is deemed 0ev, or worse, -ev, because it involves risks and all that
09:51 * diana_coman fully agrees with spyked here.
10:05 spyked http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2019-11-04#1001270 <-- this works currently, the bot announces in #spyked and #eulora from diff sets of (respective) feeds than #t. so all that's required is a list of rss urls that the bot should watch for #asciilifeform.
10:05 snsabot Logged on 2019-11-04 16:27:22 asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2019-11-04#1001214 << in continuation, arguably, of above thrd : spyked are you willing to make provisions for displaying in #a the feeds that are requested strictly by the folx inhabiting #a (rather than controlled strictly from #t) ?
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12:00 auctionbot S#1063 O=1 LB=None E=2019-11-12 15:43:00.630180 (165h42) >>> selling items 1, 2 and 4 through 7 on http://www.loper-os.org/pub/bones/snsa_1_nov_2019.txt ; buyer to take possession at his own expense.
12:00 auctionbot --- end of auction list, 0 total bids ---
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15:06 asciilifeform spyked: ty. this i think is complete list, presently.
15:07 asciilifeform if i left anyone out, who wants in -- plox to write in. ( shinohai your www dun seem to have a rss , is wai omitted )
15:13 asciilifeform http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2019-11-05#1001483 << this is entirely good point, and as before , asciilifeform is quite willing to work w/ experts who know how to sell irons, should such stand up.
15:13 snsabot Logged on 2019-11-05 03:55:19 trinque: this isn't a sin until one tries to misapply one to the other.
15:15 asciilifeform http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2019-11-05#1001484 << would luvv to interface with biznis experts; for commission, even, up to half; but for so long as they're the kind who dun insist on perverting the product or attempting to get asciilifeform to work as personal valet in exch for tree bark.
15:15 snsabot Logged on 2019-11-05 03:58:21 lobbes: sure, and also the scientist needs to be able to interface with the entrepreneurs if working in a joint venture
15:17 asciilifeform http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2019-11-05#1001487 << observe, however, that the various attempts to 'make biz outta linux' proved fatal to linux.
15:17 snsabot Logged on 2019-11-05 09:46:07 spyked: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2019-11-04#1001217 <-- oh man. the point is that most software (and prolly some of the hardware too) has zero economic value in and of itself; and even when put to useful work, it's the work that brings value, not the software. look at linus' kernel for example, it's a reliable technical product, but would you say the dude made a business out of it?
15:29 spyked asciilifeform, will add the feeds in 1sec. I haven't tried joining without reconnecting the bot before, but I expect it should work without any hiccups.
15:29 asciilifeform ty spyked .
15:30 asciilifeform !Xbid 1063 1
15:31 asciilifeform hm lobbes seems like the thing only outputs to #t ?
15:43 BingoBoingo_ asciilifeform: It is demominated in ecu, so a bitcent goes in as 10mn, a bitdime 100mn, etc
15:44 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: starting bid was 1, it ate. simply dun print here, prints there.
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16:19 dorion hi asciilifeform while you didn't solicit my feedback, I do have some questions I'd like to ask you about s.nsa and how you plan to move forward. please let me know if you can spare ~30 minutes this week. thurs 9am est would suit me best.
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16:37 asciilifeform dorion: can you expand the q ?
16:39 dorion asciilifeform I intend to indeed, but am on a tight schedule (as I summe you are) and didn't plan to have the convo today; hence asking for a time to block off.
16:40 asciilifeform dorion: i dun think i understand the q tho. s.nsa was closed by mp, and the irons put to auction. or was the q re something else ?
16:42 * asciilifeform has to bbl. dorion plox to put your q's in the log, i'ma try an' answer earliest i can.
16:43 BingoBoingo dorion: There's two major modes for using IRC, one is the syncrynous conversation mode simulating spoken conversation diana_coman has been pushing you into for good reasons. There's another asychronous mode where you post questions, take time to reflect on your answers to questions presented, etc, and everyone tolerates a delay in favor of greater precision.
16:44 dorion asciilifeform I know it was closed, my questions surround the why. I'll put them in later in the week then as I must move on.
16:47 feedbot http://thetarpit.org/2019/work-plan-vii << The Tar Pit -- Work plan for M11 2019
16:47 BingoBoingo dorion: Generally the synchronous make an appointment thing, it's not the politest way to approach new to you folks for information. The committment to a synchronous conversation carries an implication of a more enduring committment than "Hey, I heard something happened. Do you want to talk about it?"
16:47 dorion BingoBoingo thanks. I asked for the synchronous model for reasons as well, primarily because diana_coman put me on a time limit.
16:47 BingoBoingo dorion: It isn't the worst outcome if the conversation takes a week through 5, 15, 30 minute a day pieces.
16:48 dorion BingoBoingo which is why I limited to 30 mins and didn't leave open ended.
16:49 dorion BingoBoingo thanks a lot. I must go for now though.
16:51 diana_coman BingoBoingo: I asked him to put a limit on it, yes.
16:53 BingoBoingo diana_coman: Ah, ty. I though maybe he'd misunderstood the practice of IRC and accidentallied his request into the more imposing form.
16:57 lobbes asciilifeform: aye, bot will output to the channel the auction started in
17:00 auctionbot S#1063 O=1 LB=10mn E=2019-11-12 15:43:00.630180 (160h42) >>> selling items 1, 2 and 4 through 7 on http://www.loper-os.org/pub/bones/snsa_1_nov_2019.txt ; buyer to take possession at his own expense.
17:00 auctionbot --- end of auction list, 10mn total bids ---
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18:09 asciilifeform dorion: if you want a hard block of q&a, we can do 1530-1600 (new york time) today or same time any day later this wk. lemme know asap which. i rec to read the pertinent logs tho, and the orig snsa charter, possibly all of your q's are answered already in these.
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18:27 dorion asciilifeform : thanks, can't be today for me. I'll go with Friday 1530-1600.
18:28 dorion I've read a good bit and my questions aren't yet answered. hasta viernes.
18:29 asciilifeform dorion: ok, friday 1530-1600 nyc time.
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18:48 dorion asciilifeform word. and to make it explicit, I do come in peace.
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18:52 asciilifeform dorion: it's even ok if not. i'ma answr all q's best as i know how.
18:52 asciilifeform dorion: i rec to prepare'em in advance, to get the most out of your 30m.
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19:13 dorion aye, that I've done. my priority is to maximize time value for you, the log readers and myself.
19:28 feedbot http://ossasepia.com/2019/11/05/eulora-smg-taking-a-different-sort-of-stock/ << Ossa Sepia -- Eulora (S.MG) - Taking a Different Sort of Stock
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22:00 auctionbot S#1063 O=1 LB=10mn E=2019-11-12 15:43:00.630180 (155h42) >>> selling items 1, 2 and 4 through 7 on http://www.loper-os.org/pub/bones/snsa_1_nov_2019.txt ; buyer to take possession at his own expense.
22:00 auctionbot --- end of auction list, 10mn total bids ---
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22:40 feedbot http://bingology.net/2019/pizarro-isp-pre-closing-statement/ << Bingology - BingoBoingo's Blog -- Pizarro ISP Pre-Closing Statement
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23:26 asciilifeform spyked: plox to add http://qntra.net/feed/ to feedbot , ty
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23:59 BingoBoingo asciilifeform: comment answered http://bingology.net/2019/pizarro-isp-pre-closing-statement/#comment-1495
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