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14:14 shinohai Move over fuckgoats: https://github.com/nategri/chernobyl_dice
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15:31 asciilifeform shinohai: it's 'artistic'. ( in seriousness -- there's a reason i did not use geiger tube -- they have quite short life, towards the end of which they misbehave at length )
15:32 shinohai I <3 Nixie tubes. Would certainly look nice around house.
15:33 asciilifeform in other noose, this apparently nao settled.
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15:33 snsabot Logged on 2019-11-04 15:04:33 asciilifeform: diana_coman: very simple. when mp issues fatwa, on what side of the razor wire will diana_coman be found ? i do not yet know.
15:33 snsabot (trilema) 2019-12-26 mp_en_viaje: in other housekeeping, hey diana_coman lobbes wouldja mind taking alf's derpy alt-bitcoinwizards off the loggers header list ?
15:34 asciilifeform if anyone else is tuned in who 'i'ma tune in until mp orders otherwise' , invited to leave .
15:34 shinohai lulz
15:37 asciilifeform earlier lulz so much the lulzier in this light.
15:37 snsabot Logged on 2019-12-05 17:56:59 diana_coman: gah, would you stop with the berlin wall and fatwas and whatnots.
15:39 shinohai ./seen diana_coman
15:39 btcinfobot diana_coman was last seen 2d 19h 17min 51s ago in #asciilifeform saying "asciilifeform: lolz@keeping out commenters really."
15:43 asciilifeform lobbes , apparently, also put to this q, but not woke up yet.
15:43 snsabot Logged on 2019-10-30 22:49:36 lobbes: http://logs.ericbenevides.com/log/asciilifeform/2019-10-30#1000960 << also fwiw, I have 0 plans to prevent asciilifeform from using auctionbot. I'll even bring it into #a if requested
15:43 ericbot Logged on 2019-10-30 20:54:50 asciilifeform: shinohai: ftr i refuse to use any heathen-built 'gateways for coin' etc. can use only a) 'fiatola from own pocket always, coin goes in storage' or b) BingoBoingo-style auctions. but even before expulsion where i lose access to (b) entirely, it was mixed bag -- delivered severely under-market exch rate, and w/ wildly variable delay
15:44 * asciilifeform can finally resolve this loose end.
15:44 snsabot Logged on 2019-11-04 15:11:18 diana_coman: asciilifeform: do me a favour and judge me as a person, make your determination & rate me accordingly, I'm fine with whatever it might be.
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16:26 * asciilifeform finally updated ratings.
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16:51 asciilifeform local copy, for the curious, given as trinque's www updates slowly.
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18:09 asciilifeform in other noose, loox like not 1 but 2 of asciilifeform's isp subscribers nao have working trb nodez ! congrats folx.
18:09 asciilifeform this brings trb noad population just nearly to piz-era level.
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18:59 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: ever think about standing up a logger ?
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21:00 asciilifeform congrats, btw, shrysr , on finding your spine .
21:00 snsabot (ossasepia) 2019-12-26 shrysr: I'm more concerned abt being honest here, than some self image. hmm, its not related to ego, because its not. I dont see the need to ack king, and if there is a Link as you say - then as of today - i'm not convinced it is a wholesome link, and I dont think it conforms to idea of republic. That being said - the utility i derived and was
21:00 lobbes asciilifeform: I'm logging #a in a segregated location if you still want logz (this is zzz999).
21:00 * lobbes will bbl; attending meat matters for the holidays and will have sporadic terminal access until ~Jan 2
21:01 asciilifeform lobbes: aite.
21:03 asciilifeform lobbes: what's the commandprefix for zzz999 ?
21:03 lobbes !z version
21:03 zzz999 I am bot version 597858.
21:03 asciilifeform ty.
21:03 lobbes np
21:03 BingoBoingo asciilifeform: Have thought about, have not had time yet to do
21:06 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: it's pretty easy to do (except on some outlandishly-broken os) . when you attempt it, if you run into problems, lemme know.
21:07 feedbot http://qntra.net/2019/12/media-derps-blame-russian-bots-over-film-franchise-collapse/ << Qntra -- Media Derps Blame "Russian Bots" Over "Film Franchise" Collapse
21:08 shrysr asciilifeform: :) well i was kicked from chan for it.
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21:36 asciilifeform shrysr: asciilifeform fwiw was kicked out of more places than can even readily count. and in most cases, in retrospect, can complain only that not kicked soon enough. e.g. mp's group, would rather have been kicked 3y ago than where fella pretended ( and a gullible asciilifeform -- believed ) that we had a mutually-beneficial proj
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21:49 asciilifeform shrysr: it's rather like being expelled from e.g. 'scientology', or catholic church, or nsdap. yes if you ask l. r. hubbard, the pope, hitler, 'will never amount to anything without the holy communion.' and in some cases even will be right. but not in fact because 'there is no meaning outside $church.'
21:51 shrysr ^ yes. I think the 'some cases' portion is what had me considering the problem for a long time whether I was .. wrong. The logs are voluminous and its not easy to get context.
21:52 shrysr asciilifeform: would you be willing to share your thoughts behind chained biobot ? tbh i wanted to ask you before speaking up in #o... well you have said inquire here.
21:52 snsabot Logged on 2019-12-26 16:51:59 asciilifeform: local copy, for the curious, given as trinque's www updates slowly.
21:55 asciilifeform shrysr: a biorobot is a creature appearing nominally human, but in fact entirely the puppet of another. ( may or may not go through contortions to deny the fact, 'i have my own judgements!111' , etc )
21:59 asciilifeform shrysr: in particular case of diana_coman -- hung around #asciilifeform after asciilifeform's 'unpersoning' for no entirely clear reason ;
21:59 asciilifeform mouthed various noises re 'respecting', but was really 'i'ma tune in and wait, maybe oyster births more pearls that i can steal, until mp orders to tune out'
21:59 snsabot Logged on 2019-10-28 20:06:09 diana_coman: asciilifeform: you ARE fully capable of so much that it honestly hurts to see you *not* doing what you'd actually do great.
21:59 snsabot Logged on 2019-10-31 14:24:59 diana_coman: fwiw and as previously stated in #t quite publicly at that, I still find for instance FFA just as before: a gem (or a pearl, perhaps that's the subtle clarification)
22:12 asciilifeform shrysr: when i contributed e.g. this, or this, to diana_coman & co.'s (commercial!) company, did not ask for money. but naively expected, not even a 'thank you', but at the very least not to be shat on.
22:12 asciilifeform this turns out was 'gross error of pilotage', did not understand the ~kind~ of folx that was working with.
22:14 asciilifeform or, say, when wrote'em a logger ( which incidentally 3mo after mp: 'this is shite ,and borders on sabotage', these folx ~still using~...) -- guess what.
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22:18 asciilifeform shrysr: was quite interesting/educational experience tho : turns out fleas, in fact, think of their dog as parasite, and saboteur, too, 'bastard won't secrete tasty blood on command', 'steals our flea warmth', likely. if fleas could speak...
22:20 asciilifeform shrysr: what you arguably 'missed out on' is, working for yrs w/ people who secretly have nuffin but contempt for you, and then to have errything that aint bolted down, stolen, and attributed to cultists-in-good-standing. which i suppose is interesting experience, the way a plane crash is, and perhaps erryone oughta get personally acquainted with 1nce.
22:32 shinohai http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2019-12-26#1004443 <<< But forbid the name of author's channel should be on the header list!
22:32 snsabot Logged on 2019-12-26 22:14:00 asciilifeform: or, say, when wrote'em a logger ( which incidentally 3mo after mp: 'this is shite ,and borders on sabotage', these folx ~still using~...) -- guess what.
22:32 asciilifeform shrysr: some folx are ~very~ talented at psychological manipulation and will take errything you got, and then some, and in return give 0, and will then expect eternal gratitude from ~you~ .
22:33 asciilifeform shinohai: mp in fact (by own admission) never read #a. but what he has problem with, is n00bs by some slim chance finding out where he cribbed all of the mechanical tech that distinguishes him from the apes.
22:33 shinohai mp-logbot any day now.
22:34 asciilifeform shinohai: iirc lobbes (?) promised to make one for him. but somewhere along the line broke teeth.
22:34 shinohai Best I can tell, guy *never* read many other chans, prolly too busy staring at own reflection in pool.
22:36 asciilifeform shinohai: tbf i'm prolly the last remaining 1 who reads ~errybody~ in the orchestra, in ~realtime
22:36 asciilifeform but it's arguably bad habit
22:38 shinohai I mainly just glance over tmsr-related logs nowadays, no real need for someone like me to pore over logs like religious text anymore.
22:38 Apocalyptic asciilifeform, and then you wonder why folx fled to heathen-land or whatever you call the * outside of the republic
22:39 asciilifeform ohai Apocalyptic
22:40 asciilifeform Apocalyptic: asciilifeform's concept of 'republic' was somewhat diff. from mp's (and the latter let it slide, while 'was convenient'.)
22:40 * Apocalyptic waves
22:40 Apocalyptic to be fair kako's sacking was the first sign
22:41 * asciilifeform saw it as 'alliance of the smart, against the stupid, enabled by late 20th c electronics'. the other fella -- occasionally seemed to concur, but really was moar interested in re-creating a kind of mechanized 'scientology'.
22:43 asciilifeform Apocalyptic: i found it difficult, and still do, to feel any sympathy for kako -- who raked in at least 700 btc (by own admission) via complicity in mp's early schemes
22:44 Apocalyptic asciilifeform, I heard phuctor is coming back online, I have some more full/partial factorizations of some keys of interest I saved back in the day
22:45 shrysr it is worth a lot to know.
22:45 snsabot Logged on 2019-12-26 21:36:46 asciilifeform: shrysr: asciilifeform fwiw was kicked out of more places than can even readily count. and in most cases, in retrospect, can complain only that not kicked soon enough. e.g. mp's group, would rather have been kicked 3y ago than where fella pretended ( and a gullible asciilifeform -- believed ) that we had a mutually-beneficial proj
22:45 asciilifeform Apocalyptic: indeed is coming back. currently rewrite is in the worx ( there were some ugly bugs, in the old system, where 'rubble bounce' i.e. same key generates repeated 'news items' when small additional factors found; and various places where wasted cycles )
22:46 Apocalyptic asciilifeform, I likely don't know all the backstory to the bibet case, but to outright take coins because "I don't like yer face" at you put it is more than dubious
22:48 asciilifeform Apocalyptic: at the time, mp made a (convincing , to asciilifeform , at the time ) argument that kako had attempted to defraud him during liquidation. i believed the former rather than the latter because it was , as the americans like to say, 'he said - she said' argument, and saw mp as friend , kako -- enemy.
22:49 asciilifeform fwiw to this day i have moar respect for e.g. mp, than for the 'early btc people' e.g. kako. the latter entirely were disinterested in ideology, or any larger picture than own myopic swine trough interest.
22:49 Apocalyptic now with mike_c we see a similar case but stretched even further, "he went idle and didn't contribute to the republic!!!!" as justification to confiscate coins
22:50 asciilifeform tbf afaik that case still open, sentence not yet pronounced on him
22:51 asciilifeform and in fact he had asked to surrender to BingoBoingo , so complicated story, which i have no standing to comment in
22:51 snsabot Logged on 2019-12-19 03:50:58 mike_c: heh, have fun. BingoBoingo: I'm signing off, funds will hit that address tonight.
22:51 Apocalyptic indeed it is not, but simply the fact that it is a case *at all* is telling
22:52 shinohai ^
22:52 asciilifeform Apocalyptic: 1 of the reasons i was willing to work w/ mp was that it was (and imho still is) pretty clear that he was not out to steal coin (dun need to)
22:53 asciilifeform ~may~ steal coin, if somehow finds it impossible to run the ego-stroking machine w/out doing so, but generally -- avoids.
22:53 shrysr 'the fact that it is a case at all is telling' were my thoughts as well, but as asciilifeform says I have no standing to comment in either.
22:55 Apocalyptic asciilifeform, that's nicely summed up
22:55 adlai http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2019-12-24#1004366 << estimated solely within mpex, and computed only from withdrawals (rather than mere "realized profit" within an account), 1 btc per annum ; across all experiments, deeply negative, due to two severe incidents and several other coarse-although-survivable ones
22:55 snsabot Logged on 2019-12-24 17:05:06 asciilifeform: adlai: if it aint a seekret : what's the answer if you divide ( coin earned by yer bot ) / ( hours taken to write it ) ?
22:56 adlai caveats: this is an order-of-magnitude estimate, sane to base somewhere between phi and pi
22:57 Apocalyptic adlai, hey, didn't you use to run scalpl on other venues as well ?
22:58 asciilifeform adlai: before encountering mp , i wrote a proggy similar to yours, to trade on 'metals' markets. also deeply negative (if i were to put ~any~ positive value on the time taken.) and i threw it out once realized that all such markets are built such that 'cannot win against house', they e.g. 'front-run'.
22:59 asciilifeform adlai: but, note, did not walk away with a 'they defrauded me', cuz they didn't. any moar than e.g. las vegas 'defrauds' the naive kid who walks in and 'i have a system!!111 for roulette'
23:00 asciilifeform generally the only thing you can do w/ 'card sharks' is ~not to play~ with'em
23:00 shrysr i'm curious to know asciilifeform's pov about 'negrating', i.e what does a -1 rating mean to you? I hope it goes beyond superficial /childish considering that you are logging all the chans
23:00 snsabot (trilema) 2019-11-04 mp_en_viaje: mod6, i'm sorry, i don't have the time/patience to follow alf dramaz. re being negrated and mpex function, in general : i've always to date sent people their shit ~before~ negrating them, because indeed the substantive meaning of my negrating you is that you can't use any of mine / my friends' shit anymore. this hasn't prevented the occasional asshole from making the occasional false claims, which situation hasn't much int
23:01 asciilifeform shrysr: you're likely to get a diff answer from erryone re 'what do ratings mean'. i think of self as operating by orig. methodology mp himself wrote in '14, where 'rating is hint re how certain you are that $player is what he says he is'
23:05 adlai caveat #2, "hours taken to write it" includes both those spent mulling over the project during most of my idle hours from february-ish 2014 until delisting of S.MPOE, and the hours spent diddling the running bot's "magic numbers" by hand when mulling hit "muller's block", i.e., merely meditating on what the idealized program was too far removed from behaviors of the actual artifact, and most
23:05 adlai importantly, does not include hours invested in learning common lisp and maintaining those parts of my brain during a few years away from the etchable brick
23:05 asciilifeform adlai: i cannot speak for your case, but in mine, also init. thought 'learned something!', turned out -- not particularly
23:08 adlai scalpl has intangible value, due to resting right on top of the keystone bridging between the ada process model and bordeaux-threads
23:10 adlai this does not mean it has any tangible value whatsoever, since my little pile of dried out mudballs lives by the slag heaps of Ericsen, ITA, and, well, the entire high-frequency trading industry
23:11 adlai but somehow it still feels more productive than warez, porn, and 2048
23:13 asciilifeform adlai: in my experience, the 'mudballs' that won't regret in n yrs, are the onces that stand alone,rather than mud on top of some other fella's mud.
23:14 adlai yes indeed.
23:15 adlai though if my linty dust has percolated a finer topology than that of others, it is because a giant's hands, though they may grow from stronger shoulders than mine, often make coarser balls!
23:17 adlai Apocalyptic: yeah, i've published every API attempt in the github repo, and even survived long enough to delete the BTCe code :(
23:18 asciilifeform adlai: do you have a www ? what have you published since this misadventure ? ...or gave up and became a farmer, or what didja do ?
23:19 asciilifeform i'd liken to ask Apocalyptic same q
23:20 adlai still coasting on the whorls of generosity, at 80.244.243.194:7421, which is technically not quite 'www'
23:21 asciilifeform adlai: (oblig spam!11) yer in my l1 -- wanna get an rk ?
23:21 asciilifeform prolly in fact is cheaper than whatever you got presently
23:21 * adlai does not own the domain registration, nor have any physical access to the dedi enclosing http served from aforelinked jail
23:22 asciilifeform adlai: mechanical price calculator.
23:23 Apocalyptic adlai, I'll admit at some point I too did harvest some volatility from the markets, was an order of magnitude more profitable in 2017 than now
23:33 asciilifeform Apocalyptic: at the risk of repeating self -- what've you done since '17 ?
23:34 Apocalyptic asciilifeform, no www to answer your previous q, as for current q nothing worth mentioning here
23:35 asciilifeform really, nuffin at all ?!
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23:35 asciilifeform it is pretty strange to meet in 2019 a fella on the net ( i.e. not goat farmer in afghan ) who has no www, and insists that did not even do anything worth to put on www
23:37 adlai asciilifeform: it's not a fair comparison with my current expenses, since i am a parasite upon my parents (who keep the leptons alternating, water pressurized above sea level, etc) ... "you can pay for these things, but not in cash"
23:38 asciilifeform adlai: unless you expect to inherit megabux when they die, better learn a trade
23:40 adlai no such expectation. allegedly, their most valuable promised inheritance is that the mortgages that infest Uncle Sam's Groupies, are not subsequently owed by their children
23:42 asciilifeform adlai: i wasn't aware that debts made heritable already in the reich. fwiw my progenitors pretty serious re 'no debts', even pre-paid own funerals (you can do that in usa...)
23:42 adlai fwiw, apparently even if you don't mortgage and try to outright buy land in israel, the government still "owns" the land, and merely agrees to lend it to the landed populace for a century or so
23:43 asciilifeform adlai: not effectively different from usa, where 'own' but owe % tax erry yr until heat death of universe
23:44 adlai this is perfectly logical, no? the friction due to impedence mismatch, between the universe's yearning towards infinitude, and the actual unboundedness of human stupidity
23:46 adlai anyway, i should sleep, and maybe even get myself to a calculus midterm tomorrow
23:46 asciilifeform 'nighty adlai
23:46 adlai gngh!
23:48 Apocalyptic asciilifeform, suppose I spent the last 2 years locked in a cabin in the woods with only a computer, pencil and paper going through number-theory papers, learning and experimenting on various toy problems for the simple pleasure of doing so
23:49 Apocalyptic would there be anything to publish, and if so why ?
23:50 asciilifeform Apocalyptic: i like to publish even failed experiments. perhaps cultural difference, nfi.
23:51 asciilifeform arguably most of what's on my www, represents failed experiments.
23:51 asciilifeform still publish'em, could easily save someone from having to repeat.
23:53 asciilifeform 1000+yrs of sad folx tryin' to bake perpetuum mobile, could say yielded 0, but could alternatively say yielded laws of thermodynamics.
23:53 asciilifeform ditto the alchemists.
23:55 * asciilifeform bbl.
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