#trilema | 2019-11-05

hanbot, remarkably, diana_coman actually predicted the whole decay spiral last week. quite accurately, at that.

00:19

experience conquers all or something.

00:33

http://logs.ericbenevides.com/log/trilema/2019-11-04#1949410 << kk, I'll do some digging on it and see what's up.

00:33

ericbot

Logged on 2019-11-04 14:46:15 mp_en_viaje: if you were to give it a looksee that'd be most helpful.

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01:09

asciilifeform

!!v 9A16F7EB27D7A42448B7161DBAF2D1628CD6CF349940ED999560A8A5A9A35B48

01:09

deedbot

asciilifeform paid mircea_popescu invoice 2

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01:29

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mp_en_viaje tips hat

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05:03

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BingoBoingo going to have to sleep before publishing Pizarro accounting. On the plus side receipts I had placed in a weathered envelope labeled "Keep" have finally been found in a pristine, unlabled envelope. There will be a paddling.

05:06

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BingoBoingo also stood up the Pizarro www to assist checking the archaeology which is at the stage for checking instead of further digging.

05:06

It will take a substantial interruption to not have the pre-closing statement published by midnight UTC

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08:41

peterl & all : would you mind terribly if you referred to your articles, on your blogs, as articles ? it's what they are, i get it, you post them, but calling them "posts" makes about as much sense as calling cars "a drived" and girls "a fucked". you don't go about bars with a "hey, fucked! wanna do shots ?", do you ?

08:42

it's bad gtamar, to begin with, what desophistication is this!

08:42

gtamar = grammar*

08:44

otherwise, diana_coman http://peterl.xyz/2019/10/regarding-v/ << is this homework you assigned ?

08:53

mp_en_viaje, it's "post"<->"fuck" tho, innit? so "she was a good fuck" is a closer analogy

08:53

heh, i guess that's true huh

08:55

i dunno, it fucking grates, on the level of wow kiddos saying "rouge" for rogue and midwesterner 15yos saying "scratch" for "itch".

08:56

tbf, I can see the argument. "article" was already there, so adding the "post" slang is somewhat similar to how romanians added the new meaning for "locatie" in the lang. what's wrong with "loc" anyway

08:56

meanwhile in further lulz of very VERY scary mp petrifying engineers, http://paste.deedbot.org/?id=e8FF

08:56

talk about that culture gap.

08:57

o btw, jfw why is your ~comment link(off of 2019-11-05 @ >>>08:38<<<) come with a select preset ?!

08:58

oh i see what happened, it just carried over, right right. nevermind.

08:59

spyked, i wouldn't say "romanians" did it. piulitia did it, the sort of retarded wanna-be bureaucrat goat. "extorsiunea unui degajament", exactly.

09:02

yeah... well, somehow it stuck.

09:03

to whom ?

09:04

eg, http://trilema.com/2010/perversitatea-romanilor-studiu-etnobotanic/

09:06

it's commonly used among orcs, even the more educated ones. and well, I tend to pester the people I care about with locatie/loc and inovativ/inovator and so on.

09:06

alrighty then :D

09:06

can add "sinistru" to the list.

09:07

(though, honestly, after that article the ro journo-hos took it out of the news, iirc the trend of "news reporters" calling rando events "sinistru" ended by early 2010s)

09:08

also, "epic", e.g. "a fost epic filmul ala"; "ah, credeam ca a fost liric, bine ca nu dramatic"

09:13

that doth grate in romanian. in english by now it's... i guess it won. evidently maddox not that widely read / powerful linguistically

09:16

anyways, to fix the tard's definition, since i had to fucking link idiots : epic does not mean "massive and imposing in scale or size". i get ~why~ socialism/ourdemocracy would THINK SO, but it's still not true. epic means "a story of men". quite literally, that's what it is, the discussion of heroes in heroic terms.

09:16

while lyrical is a story of women -- which is why it doesn't USE NAMES.

09:16

drama meanwhile's what happens when the gods get involved.

09:24

in other lulz, hey nicoleci ! check out what i found on trilema : http://trilema.com/2011/nicias-quidam/

09:27

http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-11-05#1949532 - technically it was "a blog post"; going for correctness there, I would even question wtf is "blog" anyway, since I get it, binary log except I don't write in binary, what.

09:27

Logged on 2019-11-05 04:46:58 mp_en_viaje: peterl & all : would you mind terribly if you referred to your articles, on your blogs, as articles ? it's what they are, i get it, you post them, but calling them "posts" makes about as much sense as calling cars "a drived" and girls "a fucked". you don't go about bars with a "hey, fucked! wanna do shots ?", do you ?

09:27

so yeah, it is correct to call them articles and to call the "blog" a book I suppose.

09:28

or what, gazette

09:28

what's wrong with having a blog fulla articles ?

09:29

moreover, what we do has so little in common with what the bleaters call posts... the facebook items are properly called posts. dozen-charactger gibberish.

09:29

http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-11-05#1949535 - oh boy; it's a cribbed-assignment basically, aka he talked in #o nonsense over the head of people actually committed and working on it so I told him to go write on his blog what he wants and otherwise apply if he means anything.

09:29

Logged on 2019-11-05 04:49:11 mp_en_viaje: otherwise, diana_coman http://peterl.xyz/2019/10/regarding-v/ << is this homework you assigned ?

09:29

(ossasepia) 2019-10-29 diana_coman: PeterL: and for completion, the application 2-steps process applies to you just the same as to any newcomer (if anything, due to do-nothing history, you start with a minus compared to them).

09:30

diana_coman, the reason i brought it up being specifically "In the past, software development could be done by applying a series of patches to arrive at a final program state. With v, the patch is replaced with the slightly different vpatch, as described below."

09:30

mp_en_viaje: blog is just a made up word as much as post is.

09:31

if indeed software could so be developed, then indeed it SHOULD CONTINUE.

09:31

things haven't changed because "the present" meanwhile turned into "in the past" through the unyielding workings of jesus' birth ever distancing itself from us at the rate of 1 year each easter.

09:32

myeah, except I would much rather give feedback to those who committed and work themselves to use it.

09:32

dude doesn't understand why software development ~couldn't~ be done in the past, which'd be the only point making a discussion of v worthwhile in the fist place.

09:32

diana_coman, fair enough.

09:32

and re made up words... well of course ? i mean, all words are made up, what would be the alternative

09:34

yes, but "post" there for all its similarity to "to post to the blog" is just as made up, as far as I can see; a blog post, as there is a newspaper article, dunno; and in the vein of "just as much to do with what they are doing otherwise", wouldn't that hold for articles too?

09:34

what, those articles they write in the new yorker or the wired or what

09:34

seems to me article's exactly what we're doing.

09:34

nah, article is a wider word than that. "articles of incorporation" predates the newspaper / tin alley morti di fame trying to steal it.

09:35

ah, in that sense; yes, that would be it indeed.

09:35

all right, articles it is!

09:35

was my thinking

09:37

article (n.)

09:37

c. 1200, "separate parts of anything written" (such as the statements in the Apostles' Creed, the clauses of a statute or contract), from Old French article (13c.), from Latin articulus "a part, a member," also "a knuckle; the article in grammar," diminutive of artus "a joint," from PIE *ar(ə)-tu-, suffixed form of root *ar- "to fit together."

09:37

Meaning "literary composition in a journal, etc." (independent and on a specific topic, but part of a larger work) is first recorded 1712. The older sense is preserved in Articles of War "military regulations" (1716), Articles of Confederation (U.S. history), etc. Extended meaning "piece of property, material thing, commodity" (clothing, etc.) first attested 1796, originally in rogue's cant. Grammatical sense of "word used

09:37

attributively, to limit the application of a noun to one individual or set of individuals" is from 1530s, from this sense in Latin articulus, translating Greek arthron.

09:37

in any case, the morphological description of the articulation of thought : a pile of articles, and the web of links tieing them together.

09:38

yes, that would be quite it (or it should better be it).

09:43

aand in re http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-11-04#1949401 :

09:43

Logged on 2019-11-04 08:05:05 mp_en_viaje: comments welcome ; as things currently stand i'm thinking a one week auction starting tomorrow is the way to go here.

09:43

!XAuction 1 168 selling items 1, 2 and 4 through 7 on http://www.loper-os.org/pub/bones/snsa_1_nov_2019.txt ; buyer to take possession at his own expense.

09:43

!xsell 1 168 selling items 1, 2 and 4 through 7 on http://www.loper-os.org/pub/bones/snsa_1_nov_2019.txt ; buyer to take possession at his own expense.

09:43

!Xsell 1 168 selling items 1, 2 and 4 through 7 on http://www.loper-os.org/pub/bones/snsa_1_nov_2019.txt ; buyer to take possession at his own expense.

09:43

Sell order # 1063 created by mp_en_viaje: selling items 1, 2 and 4 through 7 on http://www.loper-os.org/pub/bones/snsa_1_nov_2019.txt ; buyer to take possession at his own expense. Opening: 1 ecu Ending: 2019-11-12 15:43:00.630180 UTC (167 hours)

09:43

there we go.

09:44

ftr, there's 10 ecu to the bitcent, meaning the above's priced at a fraction of a fiat cent currently.

09:48

if they get delivered in eulora it'd be grand.

09:48

lol but how, they're physical itemz

09:48

meanwhile in back to school news, https://66.media.tumblr.com/9d4b0240a18fd120f26db20c7d0d987e/tumblr_pgxey2Hvry1xy71o1o1_500.jpg

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11:39

spyked, weirdly enough, i've not been getting anymore feeds from feedbot since sun. is it brokt ?

11:43

I do get feeds from it, got a bunch today even so it's working at least here.

11:49

odd

11:55

mp_en_viaje, there are currently some pending messages to mircea_popescu, but none to mp_en_viaje

11:55

oh oh, fuck me. sorry, i got confused.

11:58

hm. also, it's possible it might have missed some when I purged the notification queue following the spam this weekend. lemme know if they still don't get delivered when you go online using mircea_popescu

11:59

aite then

12:00

hey feedbot where's muh shit!

12:00

worx.

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nice. there's probably more on the way

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12:25

lobbes: where's the help page for auctionbot these days? when I pm-ed it with !Xhelp it turned all windows-help on me: auctionbot> Default help. Known commands: help, ping

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13:56

http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-11-05#1949532 << The way I understand, on a blog (short for web log), a post refers to any item, which could be an article. Most posts are articles, I will try to refer to them as such in the future.

13:56

snsabot

Logged on 2019-11-05 08:41:55 mp_en_viaje: peterl & all : would you mind terribly if you referred to your articles, on your blogs, as articles ? it's what they are, i get it, you post them, but calling them "posts" makes about as much sense as calling cars "a drived" and girls "a fucked". you don't go about bars with a "hey, fucked! wanna do shots ?", do you ?

13:56

lobbesbot

PeterL: Sent 3 days, 12 hours, and 14 minutes ago: <BingoBoingo> http://bingology.net/2019/could-it-be-all-anyserver-needed-to-do-trackbacks-was-a-way-to-handle-domain-names/

13:56

lobbesbot

PeterL: Sent 2 days, 17 hours, and 3 minutes ago: <BingoBoingo> http://bingology.net/2019/could-it-be-all-anyserver-needed-to-do-trackbacks-was-a-way-to-handle-domain-names/#comment-1470

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But I wouldn't call a picture of my cat an article, even if it is a blog post.

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nicoleci

mircea_popescu, lol nice find. i remember you telling me about this.

14:16

nicoleci

mircea_popescu, also not sure what freenode has against sluts

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15:24

engineer bois.

15:24

the funny thing is i thought there was a chan in that vein registered already. wasn't there ?!

15:28

basically sluts are ....hm, not open enough?

15:29

lmao

15:29

they

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re just scary, the entire existence of all these boi clubs, "open source", "being an engineer" etcetera is predicated on the conceptual treefort.

15:30

if any girly cunt substance gets in there it permanently ruins things.

15:30

Sell order # 1063: selling items 1, 2 and 4 through 7 on http://www.loper-os.org/pub/bones/snsa_1_nov_2019.txt ; buyer to take possession at his own expense. Heard: 1 from asciilifeform. Ending: 2019-11-12 15:43:00.630180 UTC (162 hours 13 mins)

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http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-11-05#1949614 << which is the problem : you belong on facebook.

15:32

Logged on 2019-11-05 10:10:53 PeterL: But I wouldn't call a picture of my cat an article, even if it is a blog post.

15:32

intellectually, not yet matured enough to reach past infantile superficiality into adult interesting.

15:33

ah, ah, the sluts are too open for open source, I see.

15:33

Logged on 2019-05-24 02:56:37 mircea_popescu: what do you find scarier, a mouth open so wide you can see the teeth, or a mouth open so wide you can't even see the teeth ?

15:34

becauise i both would and do call a picture of my cat an article. and in my case, it also ~is~ an article.

15:34

diana_coman, "open as in free not as in beer and source as in source not as in entry!!!"

15:46

!Xbid 1063 10mn

15:46

Sell order # 1063: selling items 1, 2 and 4 through 7 on http://www.loper-os.org/pub/bones/snsa_1_nov_2019.txt ; buyer to take possession at his own expense. Heard: 10mn from BingoBoingo outbidding asciilifeform. Ending: 2019-11-12 15:43:00.630180 UTC (161 hours 57 mins)

15:46

mircea_popescu: that is an article that contains a picture of a cat. My point is that you could post something other than an article.

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16:10

yes, and you're cordially invited to do it on facebook. you could similarily cook using something other than a stove -- such as for instance, an open pit fire. you're cordially invited to do that with your berber brethren, rather than indoors. and so on.

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BingoBoingo has thought of a blog post as being like a fence post. A structural piece holding together the larger blog as a whole. The poor labeling argument however does carry more weight than my previously private metaphor.

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hanbot wonders what a writ really is, after all.

16:23

hanbot: A writ seems like something determined important enough that the order was issued to have the matter written into a writ.

16:24

traditionally, the notation behind legal proceedings.

16:27

right, but is writ:written::post:posted ? does the act of ordering scrub 'writ' of its grating-ness? or is the seemingly obvious connection between written and writ wholly imagined?

16:32

perhaps post (something posted) is analagous to toast (something toasted)?

16:33

i think "despatch" is more in the vein of what happened there.

16:35

English isn't a consistent enough language for me to want to save the noun "post" on blogs through comparison to other English language constructions.

16:37

If it's going to be saved by comparison, I'm inclined to favor comparison to physical posts. Fence posts, mile marker posts, "woe unto he that digs into this buried gas pipe" posts, etc

16:47

http://thetarpit.org/2019/work-plan-vii << The Tar Pit -- Work plan for M11 2019

16:49

lol, it occurs to me...should mp-wp backend change to reflect post --> article?

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i thought it said "publish"

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but, yes.

16:50

left column, "posts", add new, etc.

16:50

ah, yeah. indeed it should.

16:51

cool, that oughta cement it.

17:00

diana_coman: idk wtf is going on with the !Xhelp command (I'll check this out), but the help page is here if ya need it again: http://www.krankendenken.com/2018/10/auctionbot-is-live/

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lobbes: ah, thank you.

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BingoBoingo: that "physical posts" image makes me think of a sort of haphazard hut-of-a-blog, lolz

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!Xhelp

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http://www.krankendenken.com/2018/10/auctionbot-is-live/

17:09

okay, !Xhelp fixed (got borked in the move between boxes looks like)

17:09

ty diana_coman for pointing out

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diana_coman: The process of construction rarely focuses on the aesthetics of process regardless of how much aesthetics factor into the final product.

17:10

But that is a strong objection because... when is a blog ever finished?

17:14

Anyways, articles are the future. Noun posts need actual holes dug.

17:19

In local news: Old woman plans a rebellion https://www.elobservador.com.uy/nota/topolansky-si-a-la-gente-le-sacas-derechos-te-va-a-aplaudir-no-se-va-a-manifestar--201911585645

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http://logs.ericbenevides.com/log/trilema/2019-11-05#1949577 << I'm sold on 'articles', tho it dun help the cause any that the mp-wp database uses the 'posts' terminology everywhere (posts table, post_id, post_content, etc.)

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ericbot

Logged on 2019-11-05 09:37:18 mp_en_viaje: seems to me article's exactly what we're doing.

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indeed.

17:37

whatever, now i know i want it fixed.

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17:53

and in other importan points : asciilifeform is not a ~scientist~. asciilifeform is a scienpriest. the difference between the two is that the scientist follows some kind of meaningful structure of reality, that is communicable. "paradigm" or whatever. the scienpriest simply follows his own internal madness. there's a deep difference between the fisherman who goes fishing because there's fish to be fished, adn the primit

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ive who buries random objects a foot apart in the dirt, fish like corn cobs alike, because that's what he's doing. even if the former returns empty handed and the latter happens to strike a combination that works, nothing changes : one's human and the other not, one's rational and the other's just some flavour of magician.

17:53

the difference between the two readily ilustrated by the issue of recourse : if the fisherman fails to fish, he HAS recourse. if the magician fails to summon, he... has no recourse. can "try again", exactly like before. that's all.

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18:14

there is no such thing as scientist "by himself". contrary to whatever mistaken notions poor schooling, science is a purely rational process ; the incommunicably stubborn self-directed bullshit ain't science ~except by accident~.

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19:26

mod6

Hi there all, here's the Foundation Report for October (posted on the website until the ML issue is resolved, or replaced): http://thebitcoin.foundation/reports/btcf_address_201910.txt

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http://ossasepia.com/2019/11/05/eulora-smg-taking-a-different-sort-of-stock/ << Ossa Sepia -- Eulora (S.MG) - Taking a Different Sort of Stock

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trinque, you want to weigh in on http://ossasepia.com/2019/11/05/eulora-smg-taking-a-different-sort-of-stock/ btw ?

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http://bingology.net/2019/pizarro-isp-pre-closing-statement/ << Bingology - BingoBoingo's Blog -- Pizarro ISP Pre-Closing Statement

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http://pizarroisp.net/2019/11/05/pizarro-isp-pre-closing-statement/ << PizarroISP -- Pizarro ISP Pre-Closing Statement

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^ Pizarro Pre-closing statement has been published. Please submit questions, comments, suggestions, objections, etc soon, but after reading

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