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00:46 feedbot http://qntra.net/2019/11/8chan-briefly-revived-on-bulletproof-hosting-now-offline-after-provider-put-them-on-unregistered-ip-addresses/ << Qntra -- 8Chan Briefly Revived On Bulletproof Hosting, Now Offline After Provider Put Them On Unregistered IP Addresses
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03:49 feedbot http://bimbo.club/2019/11/brown-eyes/ << Bimbo Club -- brown eyes
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07:24 spyked feedbot is back online, sorry for the downtime (biannual unplanned power outage at house mogosanu)
07:26 * spyked will be offline for most of today, so if this happens again will have to torch the local enel offices or something
07:26 diana_coman spyked: lol, you're setting a bounty there!
07:30 spyked srsly tho, I have no complaints about the service most of the time. but the few times power goes down, it has to be intermittently and with spikes
07:30 diana_coman with spykes
07:30 spyked lol :D
07:31 diana_coman but you know, if the "few times" when it goes down it fucks your electronics, I have no idea how you get to "no complaints"
07:37 spyked indeed. that happened some years ago (burned a disk), which is when I decided to at the very least ups.
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10:12 mircea_popescu diana_coman, and in an unexpected turn of events, your pages are now inspiring trilema articles.
10:12 mircea_popescu kudos jfw
10:21 diana_coman mircea_popescu: ha!
10:21 diana_coman and well done jfw !
10:32 diana_coman he can't complain he didn't get feedback :D
10:32 feedbot http://trilema.com/2019/the-road-to-stupidity-part-0/ << Trilema -- The road to stupidity, part 0
10:33 mircea_popescu lol
10:33 diana_coman but ftr, the fact he writes those in parts is because I set him to do that (as a cure to wasting time otherwise).
10:33 mircea_popescu nothing wrong with that
10:33 mircea_popescu just drove stylistic choice of form, as it happens convenient.
10:33 diana_coman aha, I enjoyed the part 0 :)
10:34 * mircea_popescu has a ready list of many titles, none of which MEAN anything
10:34 mircea_popescu :D :D :D
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13:59 diana_coman !Xbid 1063 20mn
13:59 auctionbot Sell order # 1063: selling items 1, 2 and 4 through 7 on http://www.loper-os.org/pub/bones/snsa_1_nov_2019.txt ; buyer to take possession at his own expense. Heard: 20mn from diana_coman outbidding BingoBoingo. Ending: 2019-11-12 15:43:00.630180 UTC (139 hours 44 mins)
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15:03 * mircea_popescu waves at diana_coman
15:05 diana_coman oh hi
15:05 * BingoBoingo waves at all
15:07 mircea_popescu lol
15:07 BingoBoingo Goes with being located at an extreme point on the map. All I gotta do is wave North and everyone's covered within a reasonable margin of error, Porteños notably outside the salutation.
15:13 mircea_popescu so let's hear ?
15:13 diana_coman mircea_popescu: ah, I was waiting on you and you were waiting on me?
15:13 mircea_popescu apparently!
15:14 diana_coman as per http://ossasepia.com/2019/11/05/eulora-smg-taking-a-different-sort-of-stock/ I think there are a few points:
15:14 diana_coman 1. OS issue/choice for S.MG
15:14 diana_coman 2. FFA use/integration
15:15 diana_coman 3. cumulative effect of various bits and pieces stuck/stalling
15:15 diana_coman 4. server(s)
15:16 diana_coman 5. concrete next steps
15:16 diana_coman at 4 I mean esp given the fact that the server code is sensitive
15:17 diana_coman this would be my list, let me know if I should detail any point in there.
15:18 mircea_popescu i think it works.
15:19 mircea_popescu are you basically spent in that you've said your piece there and you'djust be stuck reiterating ?
15:20 diana_coman mircea_popescu: I can add detail if/where needed but atm I don't have something I see to add there.
15:20 mircea_popescu aite.
15:21 mircea_popescu so on the 2, to start with that
15:21 mircea_popescu on one hand, i think it really should not be our preoccupation as s.mg. it's not actually important enough.
15:21 diana_coman ok.
15:22 mircea_popescu more broadly what i'm thinking to do is let bvt continue his work on kernelization, because a) the current kernel randomness code is pure shit and b) using a serial interface as the standard is perfectly fine
15:22 mircea_popescu then as need be use either the historical fg, an upgraded item, or basically speaking ~anything else.
15:22 diana_coman I very much like bvt's work for sure.
15:23 mircea_popescu once the kernel has a tty hole in the right place, and the right place is under republican control, i'd say the goal has been done well.
15:23 mircea_popescu unlike before, where it was done unusably.
15:23 mircea_popescu this leads us into 1 :
15:23 * diana_coman is listening
15:24 mircea_popescu the choice before me here is strictly to either a) tell bvt to desist, as the kernel is too cool to be touched by our derpy hands ; or else b) have some kinda process to use custom, bespoke, patched kernels.
15:24 mircea_popescu this is a fact, and i ain't choosing a while calling this republic.
15:24 mircea_popescu so in this sense s.mg will hafta piggyback.
15:25 diana_coman not like s.mg hasn't provided service to the republic so far otherwise.
15:25 mircea_popescu now practically, seems cuntoo is (by far, actually) the least mangy dog in that horse stable, so i guess we're in the business of making it a horse.
15:25 mircea_popescu can you actually boot the server on cuntoo as things stand ?
15:25 diana_coman I'm rather relieved to hear that because indeed, cuntoo is the best candidate I see so far
15:26 diana_coman mircea_popescu: not until I get rid of cs or move it to gnat and build it statically
15:26 mircea_popescu can you boot the server as things stand at all ?
15:27 diana_coman mircea_popescu: what do you mean exactly by "boot the server"? (and which one: production or dev?)
15:27 mircea_popescu well, either, both. you know, run them, what exactly could be involved here ? does your car work or is it just drawn
15:28 diana_coman mircea_popescu: atm as they are none will boot because none are fully statically linked.
15:29 mircea_popescu so even if we had hardware you couldn't bring one up ? what was the "testing" in re http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-14#1945429 ?!
15:29 ossabot Logged on 2019-10-14 14:18:25 diana_coman: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-13#1945106 - got around to it and can confirm I got it working on Intel too (with minimal changes of kernel config ie selecting Intel rather than AMD flags)
15:29 diana_coman so if we go that route, this would be the first thing to sort out
15:29 diana_coman mircea_popescu: that is AMD with dulap-gentoo aka proto-cuntoo aka NOT fully statically linked
15:30 diana_coman are you confusing amd with cuntoo or what am I confusing here?
15:30 mircea_popescu ah, and it does boot on ~that~
15:30 diana_coman mircea_popescu: indeed it does.
15:30 mircea_popescu i asked if you can boot on cuntoo, you said no. i asked if you can boot at all, you said also no. i verified why no when you said yes prior, turns out you can boot at all, gotta use proto-cuntoo
15:31 diana_coman mircea_popescu: ah, I missed the "at all" nuance in your second question http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-11-06#1949741 ie I was still in cuntoo-env
15:31 ossabot Logged on 2019-11-06 11:31:53 mircea_popescu: can you boot the server as things stand at all ?
15:31 mircea_popescu aite.
15:31 diana_coman sorry.
15:32 diana_coman to fully clarify: I can boot both/either servers on dulap-gentoo on either amd or intel hardware
15:32 mircea_popescu and you verified you can actually deploy this proto cuntoo on various hw, so we're good here : as to 1, smg will use proto-cutnoo until can switch to cuntoo ; and meanwhile ima see what trinque has to say re cuntoo and try to get bvt to patch against it and so on
15:33 diana_coman yes; so we keep then to frozen proto-cuntoo with an idea to hopefully be able to move on to cuntoo when that is ready + we have everything statically linking.
15:34 mircea_popescu you see a better choice ?
15:35 diana_coman mircea_popescu: my main question here would be whether it's worth this intermediate proto-cuntoo step
15:35 mircea_popescu worth what ?
15:36 diana_coman maintaining the frozen dulap-gentoo recipe + all and deploying that + still having afterwards to make the switch to cuntoo when it's ready
15:37 diana_coman on the plus side, we have something that works so there's no beating that
15:37 mircea_popescu well... yes, but can you move cs over ?
15:39 diana_coman mircea_popescu: are we fine with cs as-is on client side? there are 2 aspects there: 1. dynamically linked 2. the dependency on jam/ftjam and all that
15:39 diana_coman if we need to move it anyway, we need to move it and so ...
15:39 diana_coman if we might squeeze without, it's a whole lot of effort&time not poured in there
15:39 mircea_popescu let's not mix the client into this just for a moment
15:40 mircea_popescu as far as just the server is concerned, does it even use cs for anything ?
15:40 diana_coman to answer your q as stated: I can move it but it will take a lot of effort and time (atm I don't have a clear estimate for it but I doubt it's less than a month given all deps)
15:41 diana_coman mircea_popescu: production server "uses" cs because it's intertwined with it (uses data types and the like)
15:41 diana_coman dev server I was gradually extracting CS out of it but I'm not done
15:41 mircea_popescu but it's not a proper dependency, just data types nonsense, classes etc, like with the sad "int" nonsense of yore ?
15:41 diana_coman and otherwise there is no point to using cs on server as far as I can see; wtf does the server need a graphics engine
15:42 diana_coman mircea_popescu: I would say it's a most improper dependency really
15:42 mircea_popescu so i suppose this is the first actionable we unveil here : ima want an estimate on a) how long to divorce dev server from cs ; and b) how long to move client cs on cuntoo.
15:43 diana_coman there would be perhaps some bits like movement calculation but there is no possible reason I can see for that to pull in the whole cs or something ffs; ie it can be done separately, why wouldn't it.
15:43 * diana_coman writing those 2 down
15:44 mircea_popescu but generally, http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-11-06#1949763 does not to my eye come to much. certainly better than whatever multi-week adventures.
15:44 ossabot Logged on 2019-11-06 11:41:51 diana_coman: maintaining the frozen dulap-gentoo recipe + all and deploying that + still having afterwards to make the switch to cuntoo when it's ready
15:44 diana_coman mircea_popescu: there is that, indeed.
15:44 diana_coman cs is the same btw, there is no client-cs and server-cs
15:44 mircea_popescu steam TO THIS DAY has recurrent bugs consisting of completely broken installs produced by failing to upgrade its own fucking lbiraries.
15:44 mircea_popescu they just... ignore it.
15:44 mircea_popescu gotta consider the environment such as it is.
15:45 mircea_popescu people don't like it, people come here ask how to help [trilema.com/2018/the-republic-without-mp/][like good doobies], thing's fixed in no time. otherwise people are more then welcome to go fuck their ugly mothers / cluck on facebook until they fall over.
15:46 mircea_popescu diana_coman, it's the same pile of junk ; but it's very different in terms of utility / justification for impac tin my mind is all.
15:46 diana_coman mircea_popescu: ah, I see; I suppose the thing is that cuntoo is currently a server-side system really (no X)
15:47 mircea_popescu i'm not even necessarily sure that i want to push it into the gfx stack.
15:47 diana_coman so in this sense there's currently little reason to sink time into porting cs
15:47 mircea_popescu god knows my being an engineer slated for that went instead to be stupid.
15:47 diana_coman all right; I'm all for *not* taking on yet another pile of wtf
15:47 diana_coman plenty of those already
15:47 mircea_popescu i'm also not at all sure i want to dictate os or userland/tooling for people running clients.
15:48 diana_coman if only people would start running their own clients!
15:48 diana_coman nobody would dictate them anything for sure.
15:48 mircea_popescu or if only people would start running in general, as opposed to the current decerebrated snailcircle. w/e.
15:48 mircea_popescu let's not get ourselves depressed.
15:49 diana_coman yes; /me read through s.nsa historical reports so got enough of that for today.
15:49 diana_coman anyways, so proto-cuntoo for server side and there's no futzing needed there
15:49 mircea_popescu so, basically, the way this is going is, server on protocuntoo for now and cuntoo in the future ; and ~demo~ client on proto-cuntoo and let the community make whatever it wants.
15:49 diana_coman I will however look into how long it would take to ditch cs on dev server
15:49 diana_coman but no real need to spend time on looking at moving cs, is there?
15:49 diana_coman at least not currently.
15:50 mircea_popescu i would still like an estimate.
15:50 diana_coman then on the list it goes, all right.
15:50 mircea_popescu the decision whether cuntoo is to be headless or x-headed has not yet been made.
15:50 diana_coman mircea_popescu: would the demo client be text-only then or what?
15:50 mircea_popescu no ?
15:50 diana_coman proto-cuntoo is text only and frozen
15:50 diana_coman how would that work?
15:50 mircea_popescu wait, neither cuntoo has x ?
15:50 diana_coman neither.
15:51 mircea_popescu let me restate
15:51 mircea_popescu so, basically, the way this is going is, server on protocuntoo for now and cuntoo in the future ; and ~demo~ client on ubuntu/whateverthefuck, dynamic hell and let the community make whatever it wants.
15:51 mircea_popescu better ?
15:51 diana_coman better.
15:51 mircea_popescu aite so then moving on from 1
15:51 diana_coman gladly
15:52 mircea_popescu didja have anything to say re 3 ?
15:52 diana_coman mircea_popescu: it might be useful to go through the list of things perhaps
15:52 mircea_popescu aite
15:53 diana_coman other than the os since that is at least decided for now, there would be:
15:53 diana_coman the bootstraping rsa keys
15:54 mircea_popescu what's the problem there ?
15:54 diana_coman the moving files in V
15:54 mircea_popescu wait wait.
15:54 diana_coman waiting
15:54 mircea_popescu what's the problem with the rsa bootstrap ?
15:55 diana_coman mircea_popescu: we have eucrypt that generates the rsa keys and serpent and all that client and server need; we however do not have (and it was supposedly in discussion/waiting/etc) a clear way to store them securely; let me dig log ref
15:55 mircea_popescu ah yes.
15:55 mircea_popescu don't bother, i remember.
15:56 diana_coman the draft is all there is as far as I know
15:56 ossabot Logged on 2019-01-13 09:29:50 mircea_popescu: ad interim the draft is, that the client stores all the keys (rsa, serpent, whatever) one per line, the rsa ones in republican format, the rest unspecified as of yet, in a file called keys.tmsr encrypted by the rsa key of the client.
15:56 mircea_popescu the way this is going is that serious player will have dedicated box for eurlora anyways. there's little diff between disk and ram for as long as one uses dedicated box.
15:56 mircea_popescu thus therefore, keys.txt
15:57 mircea_popescu any player not happy with this, can provide patches.
15:57 mircea_popescu whatever, key.tmsr
15:57 diana_coman so stored in plain text and that's that, correct?
15:57 mircea_popescu why can't it just use the client key ?
15:58 mircea_popescu NOT that it makes a difference, the client key will still be there.
15:58 diana_coman it can but the client key itself ?
15:58 diana_coman aha, that.
15:58 diana_coman ie why use the client key if anyway there too, not much to it
15:58 mircea_popescu this bitch.
15:59 mircea_popescu look, practically : either we ask the user to remember a password, or else we ask the user to secure a token/
15:59 mircea_popescu there's not a magic third way.
15:59 diana_coman tbh (and possibly outside S.MG's direct scope) I don't get exactly why don't we have already a command line replacement to gpg, ugh
15:59 mircea_popescu because great scientists are discovering great science
15:59 mircea_popescu with their ass.
15:59 diana_coman sigh
16:00 mircea_popescu YEARS they've been at it, and they have earned all this respect with their useful anal work.
16:00 mircea_popescu back to it, what'd a command line gpg do here ?
16:01 diana_coman my thought was that if *that* was done, the above bootstrapping thing would have ended up getting more attention and thus possibly moving on as well; but this is why I said possibly outside S.MG scope
16:01 mircea_popescu myeah.
16:02 mircea_popescu nope, bitcoin has plaintext wallet for years, something i criticized very harshly.
16:02 diana_coman there is that sadness too
16:03 mircea_popescu we'll redo that stupidity, because the cuntheads had other shit to do.
16:03 diana_coman all right; so at any rate, not an issue for S.MG, it will proceed with how things stand and that's that.
16:03 mircea_popescu i'm too lazy to search right now for the article where some power ranger shiothead was "offering to reimplement mpex"
16:03 mircea_popescu where is it, anyway. do you recall it ?
16:04 diana_coman not atm though it does ring a bell.
16:04 mircea_popescu hanbot, see if you can find it, iirc was back in mpoe-pr days
16:05 mircea_popescu diana_coman, people use all sorta lulz, "encrypted drives" whatever nonsense. it's a ridiculous state of affairs, but it's what we god, what can we do.
16:05 BingoBoingo http://trilema.com/2012/the-bitcoin-drama-timeline/ First item
16:05 diana_coman tbh this particular bit with the keys was/is the *main* itchy thing because it feels ridiculous really; I'm doing "encryption" there every which way and then the keys are plain text; but wtf.
16:05 mircea_popescu next item, moving files in v ?! WHAT THE FUCK phf fixed this as the only thing he did in like 3 years.
16:06 mircea_popescu BingoBoingo, no, not that.
16:06 BingoBoingo http://trilema.com/2013/why-i-nixed-p2p-colored-coins-and-all-that-jazz/
16:06 diana_coman mircea_popescu: not as far as I know; it was always *not done* but always popping up in people's memory as "working"; except every time I wanted to *move* a file rather than have it del/add, it turned out that ...no.
16:07 diana_coman now if someone has the proof I'm being an idiot on this, please step forwards and hit me with it, I'll be very glad.
16:07 mircea_popescu BingoBoingo, nah, 2015ish item, dork in question was very specifically asciilifeforming all over himself, "oh, will take mp out"
16:07 BingoBoingo AH
16:08 mircea_popescu diana_coman, i am greviously unprepared for this.
16:08 diana_coman granted, this is relatively small snag for S.MG, not like eulora can't go on without it but it's annoying esp because of this "seems to have been done"
16:08 mircea_popescu we will have to prorogue this issue for some log reading, because wtf.
16:08 diana_coman ref: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-07-21#1924105
16:08 ossabot Logged on 2019-07-21 08:57:32 diana_coman: hm, current vtools still don't handle move of files or what am I missing here? I made a simple test with moving one file to a different location and as far as I can see, it's still delete + create, no move
16:09 mircea_popescu yet i recall clearly speccing a "move"
16:09 mircea_popescu worked admirably well too.
16:09 mircea_popescu maybe i'm deluded ? will hafta review.
16:10 mircea_popescu for that matter, is there even an actually working vtron ?
16:10 mircea_popescu or the usual byproduct of the undisturbed existence of "engineer" cunts, ie, a pile of cvasi-working shitballs ?
16:10 diana_coman at any rate, my current understanding for S.MG is that it will proceed with what there is and as such the bulk of work stems mainly from the graphics & ironing out the smg comms + new client (plenty there to do but at least I know what I'm looking at)
16:11 diana_coman mircea_popescu: depends on what you mean by "vtron" ; there is http://ossasepia.com/2018/11/13/v-with-vtools-keccak-hashes-and-its-own-tree/
16:11 diana_coman that seems to be referenced/found by people and hence used
16:12 mircea_popescu aite.
16:13 mircea_popescu basically old mod6 v.pl with new phf vtools guts ?
16:13 diana_coman mircea_popescu: quite.
16:13 diana_coman packaged and v-treed.
16:13 mircea_popescu aite. we shall talk again about move later this week then.
16:13 mircea_popescu next ?
16:14 diana_coman those two were most snagging from not-directly-eulora; the rest is mainly the complexity with the graphics & cs
16:15 diana_coman I still had to dive into CS's "shaders" and so at least I know better what those are and how they come into play but that can be written up as it is and taken from there
16:15 mircea_popescu wait i said next too soon.
16:15 mircea_popescu there's also eg http://thetarpit.org/2019/vpl-v-patch-syncing-bug-fix isall this synced ?
16:16 diana_coman mircea_popescu: this is added on my tree, I didn't yet get to sign it
16:17 mircea_popescu aite.
16:17 diana_coman I don't use that init command but at any rate, it's fine as far as I looked at it first pass
16:17 mircea_popescu now as to 4 : i'd obviously like the server back up as soon as possibru.
16:17 * diana_coman takes a note to mirror spyked's sigs too
16:18 mircea_popescu getting a coupla boxes somewhere in the sense of amateurship so dear to the previously tolerated morons is the least of our troubles.
16:18 mircea_popescu is the stuff in a shape you want running publicly as we stand ?
16:19 diana_coman mircea_popescu: the production server has been running before and it can run again as it is; the issue there is really the one concerning access to the code if we just put it ~anywhere.
16:19 mircea_popescu right.
16:19 mircea_popescu but in principle, there's no good dev-side reason to delay.
16:20 diana_coman (the dev server can run but won't do anything for current client)
16:20 diana_coman strictly tech/dev, no
16:20 mircea_popescu it's not, in other worse, a case of "wait just this short interval, will do new release" etc
16:20 diana_coman ah, no; sadly not at all.
16:21 mircea_popescu aite, well, not like there's any games one can play (i fucking looked, i'm back to playing antique 2000 era stuff, steam's dead, kongregate's dead, everything's fucking dead. half the links on mmorpg.com lead to dead / domain for sale / nonsense items, the other half to steam crap, it's just... gaming's fucking dead, everyone just clucks on derpy facebook fake traffic numbers generators, as fucking if 5k reloads/second
16:21 mircea_popescu in some dumbphone game equate to trilema article reads)
16:22 mircea_popescu so im guessing we'll be bringing that up these days.
16:22 mircea_popescu any preferences re spec ?
16:23 diana_coman I'll dig them up and get them to you.
16:23 mircea_popescu aite.
16:24 mircea_popescu so that's pretty much it, then. anything left out ?
16:24 diana_coman mircea_popescu: just to make sure re order of my next steps here:
16:24 diana_coman first I'll do now the estimates re ditching cs from server (dev)
16:24 diana_coman then re moving cs to static build & gnat
16:25 diana_coman and after that I go back to client graphics & comms (+server side ofc, but that is waiting on comms protocol atm)
16:26 diana_coman ofc in between there will be setting the server up whenever we have where
16:26 mircea_popescu aite. there'll be a brief excursion in there to get the prod server back up, but yes.
16:26 diana_coman aha.
16:26 mircea_popescu aite then.
16:26 diana_coman all right, thank you.
16:26 * mircea_popescu spits once more on the fresh grave of "engineers" for good measure
16:26 mircea_popescu motherfucking morons.
16:27 mircea_popescu never, ye hear me people of the future, NEVER take the cows for people. athena made them cows for a reason.
16:28 mircea_popescu which leads us back to our regularly scheduled programming.
16:29 mircea_popescu seeing how http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-29#1948636 dun seem to be happening, i'm guessing we'll just skip the pretense.
16:29 ossabot Logged on 2019-10-29 09:46:27 mp_en_viaje: with diana_coman as to the future strategy of s.mg (which normally'd belong in eulora, i suppose, but honestly might as well happen here, not like there's any traffic jam or anything) ; and of course with diana_coman hanbot trinque BingoBoingo lobbes spyked bvt ave1 as to what exactly we still want and we can in fact support going forward.
16:30 mircea_popescu so concretely, lobbes is supposed to deliver that botthing soonish ; you're doing the above, bvt is beating rng into the kernel, BingoBoingo is getting himself out of the 2nd failed reboot of isp
16:30 mircea_popescu trinque, i wanna talk to you about cuntoo
16:31 mircea_popescu lessee what spyked's doing
16:32 BingoBoingo BingoBoingo: Right, been managing shareholder expectations re: upcoming auctions.
16:32 mircea_popescu gawd, spyked, two months of irc bots till the end of the year ? srsly ?
16:34 mircea_popescu billymg, what's the mp-wp story, did i miss some updates ?
16:35 mircea_popescu hanbot, you up to date on diana_coman 's castle logs ?
16:35 mircea_popescu an' that leaves of the human hands ave1 an' mocky thoroughly unaccounted for.
16:36 diana_coman mircea_popescu: I'm still here if there's some q re #o you want me to answer
16:37 mircea_popescu diana_coman, rather, im thinking a backup #o might be a good idea.
16:38 hanbot mircea_popescu i browse, but haven't strictly "kept up". i can spend a day or two getting there tho', what's up?
16:39 mircea_popescu get there.
16:39 hanbot sure
16:39 diana_coman I'd be very happy to have hanbot there for sure
16:40 diana_coman she anyway covers better than me some areas
16:40 mircea_popescu diana_coman, not that she shouldn' t be in there or anything ; but there's #hanbot, might as well make two of these seeing how yours seems to work
16:41 diana_coman mircea_popescu: ah, I thought she already had hers but mainly aimed at a different demographic?
16:41 mircea_popescu ima just change the current "Nov 04 09:50:24 -ChanServ- [#trilema] To speak here you must be voiced by one of the lords. Talk to asciilifeform , BingoBoingo , diana_coman , hanbot or trinque about it." to a "see #ossasepia or #hanbot" and call it good
16:42 mircea_popescu diana_coman, you mean the blog, bimbo.club ? nicoleci runs that
16:42 diana_coman cool; I'll get around to pop ossabot into #hanbot too then
16:42 mircea_popescu yeah.
16:42 hanbot mircea_popescu & c: my channel is/was #trilema-hanbot
16:42 diana_coman mircea_popescu: no, I thought it was just not online.
16:43 mircea_popescu diana_coman, well, that's unrelated yes.
16:43 mircea_popescu hanbot, that works.
16:43 diana_coman all right, I'm sure we can coordinate anyway and it'll surely help.
16:44 mircea_popescu insallah
16:46 BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: I'm working on a plan for #agriculturalsupremacy as a castle, but its still too raw to present as a default option on the level of what diana_coman and hanbot can offer.
16:47 mircea_popescu BingoBoingo, besides, you'll have some full time work in actually going through dc lists etc.
16:47 BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: Right.
16:47 BingoBoingo DC lists, other opportunities to apprentice myself into a career, etc
16:48 mircea_popescu word.
16:49 BingoBoingo Proposed Pizarro auctions will be published in a few hours with the aim of firing off auction opening commands Friday. Auction opening prices will be done with the reserve as the coin I, personally, am willing to pay for ownership of the auctioned items and lots of items.
16:59 BingoBoingo In other news, the legal sitation on the ground here appears to be nearing resolution.
17:09 BingoBoingo The mircea_popescu method works far better than what I could have done on my own. Thank you.
17:15 BingoBoingo Also their lawyer now isn't their lawyer I apparently mean with
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17:59 mircea_popescu nice to hear!
18:01 BingoBoingo *met with. They've apparently spent much. I've spent little. The outcome is not yet clear, but the outcome space is very narrow with clear forked paths. None of these paths presents a danger to my continued presence in Uruguay if that's what the future wants me to do.
18:02 mircea_popescu so then good for you.
18:03 mircea_popescu there's some definite value in making it uncomfortably unpleasant for idiots to continue being idiotic, that's for sure.
18:03 mircea_popescu in fact, that alone's a sufficient winning strategy : tagging stupidity with as much cost as at all possible's all that's really needed.
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18:24 BingoBoingo I've made it clear to the lawyers I rather don't expect they are solvent enough to collect anything when I win a suit. I'm more inclined to pass a bulletproof fraud denuncia to the Fiscalia and let them sort it out.
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19:24 feedbot http://bingology.net/2019/pizarro-liquidation-auctions-proposal/ << Bingology - BingoBoingo's Blog -- Pizarro Liquidation Auctions Proposal
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