#trilema | 2019-11-04

BingoBoingo_, mod6 asciilifeform ^ by above item i'm to take receipt of 0.9 btc from someone there ; what's the status of pizarro liquidation ?

10:25

diana_coman, wanna return on http://ossasepia.com/2019/10/31/working-with-ideals-and-perfections/#comment-6848 now ? tomorrow ? wed ?

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11:57

mkay, so unless i gravely misunderstand something, there do indeed seem to be some items that may be worth something in http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-11-01#1949202 ; namely a coupla opteron boxes and a dozen fgs + coupla more without trims.

11:57

ossabot

Logged on 2019-11-01 17:24:31 asciilifeform: !!deed http://www.loper-os.org/pub/bones/snsa_1_nov_2019.txt

11:59

i'm thinking the correct move here is to auction the lot (specifically, items 1, 2 and 4 through 7 on that list), the buyer to arrange delivery from us and uy at his pleasure.

11:59

i'm further thinking this should proceed without reserve, since it's not possible they could sell for the 1.8 paperwork indicates, i can't think of some good way to obtain another value, and besides we want this to not take forever.

12:00

comments welcome ; as things currently stand i'm thinking a one week auction starting tomorrow is the way to go here.

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13:01

mp_en_viaje: wed would work best.

13:01

aite, wed it is.

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14:25

mp_en_viaje: Sorry, still doing the numbers and accompanying log/notes archaeology. Unless I hit a very hard problem I'm probably 12-18 hours away from pushing out a "pre-closing statement" for people to make their claims against, etc.

14:27

a ok.

14:28

After some period for auctions/claims, etc, it seems like that's the time to put a nail in it.

14:31

feedbot

http://www.krankendenken.com/2019/11/mp-wp-botkvvpatch/ << Krankendenken -- mp-wp-bot.kv.vpatch

14:37

BingoBoingo, aite ; it's been what, a month already ?

14:43

lobbes, the excerpter seems to be pretty thoroughly broken ; other than the weird you describe, it also apparently strips spaces incomprehensibly when doing the ?b=&e= automatic population for trackbacks. (for example http://trilema.com/2019/closing-statement-for-no-such-labs-snsa/?b=overthesix&e=over#select ; as pointed out by whaack )

14:43

if you were to give it a looksee that'd be most helpful.

14:51

mp_en_viaje: Right. I expect the statement will be complete and the dispute period won't need anymore time than an auction does. The couple silent absentee customers will get their remaining customer equity pushed into their deedbot wallets. Loading the Feb/March 2018 - September 2019 stretch into the head again to make sure I'm not missing anything has been... a something.

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15:30

i bet.

15:35

* September 2018

~ 3 hours 30 minutes ~

19:06

!!up mats hi mats, what are you up to those days?

19:06

deedbot

mats voiced for 30 minutes.

19:09

enjoying the outdoors and new hobbies, nothing exciting

19:09

mats: is being here among those new hobbies or what?

19:14

did you really up me to passive aggressively interrogate me over idling in chan

19:15

mats: no; I upped you to figure out what you are actually doing since you seemed to have become again active; why does that strike you as aggressive?

19:22

eh, did i miss out on moar dramaz ?

19:23

im not active, ive been following the various logs for about seven years

19:24

incidentally, it occurs to me, bvt had just completed a large pile of work re getting the fg in the kernel.

19:24

mats: wouldn't you want to become active? what help do you need there?

19:24

what're your thoughts on that matter, m'lord ?

19:25

i want to assist, and occasionally do so when my limited ability permits, but my primary concern is building my personal wealth and leaving usa

19:25

mats: there are in #o quite a few people who did that, maybe you can learn something there?

19:26

mp_en_viaje: fwiw I looked those last days at the fg each and every way I could and I still like it; the only difference is that now I have to figure out some time somewhere and make one with own hands.

19:26

but I'd certainly want to hear bvt's thoughts on it.

19:27

diana_coman, other than being perhaps overbulky, i can think of nothing wrong with the item.

19:28

I can see the overbulky angle.

19:28

you gonna bid on the s.nsa auction then ? i really hope it's not gonna be a sad case of crickets.

19:28

ah, hm, that's a point; yes, I think I will (though I do need to write stuff down there, huh).

19:28

mats, how's that coming along then ?

19:29

diana_coman, stuff down where you mean ?

19:31

ahahaha

19:32

mp_en_viaje: just on paper.

19:32

oh i c

19:35

the former is proceeding slowly and latter in fits and starts, usa has a strong gravity

19:36

still sad mpex went private

19:36

mp_en_viaje: http://paste.deedbot.org/?id=1zQF

19:36

finance is hard, what can i say.

19:36

!!up mats

19:36

deedbot

mats voiced for 30 minutes.

19:36

It really only seems to have that gravity.

19:37

mats: so what's your concrete plan there and why is it slowly /in fits and starts?

19:41

id like to reverse programs for a living and carpal tunnel has been a physical and psychological impediment

19:42

mats: isn't that something you can do from anywhere though? ie why not get out first (esp if otherwise strong pull so presumably the later you leave it the harder it gets)?

19:43

ive been at it a while, unsure whether or not to throw in the towel and go back to doing jr mgmt 'cyber' nonsense where i'd be massively overcompensated for my ability

19:43

mats: isn't your main goal now to make enough to escape? logically then you should go for whatever gets you the most money faster, no?

19:44

yes, its debilitating and ive burned out before

19:45

mats: which of them is that with the burned out & debilitating, the cyber nonsense?

19:46

honestly anything involving a keyboard for more than 2h a day is debilitating

19:46

mod6, i'm sorry, i don't have the time/patience to follow alf dramaz. re being negrated and mpex function, in general : i've always to date sent people their shit ~before~ negrating them, because indeed the substantive meaning of my negrating you is that you can't use any of mine / my friends' shit anymore. this hasn't prevented the occasional asshole from making the occasional false claims, which situation hasn't much int

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19:46

erested me to date, nor is likely to start interesting me in the future.

19:46

now, more's the point, what the fuck are you planning to do such that you think you should be negrated for it, and why the fuck would you.

19:47

mats, that's pretty fucking terrible, 2h/day, srsly ?!

19:48

mats: sucks; but dunno, maybe really you need a custom-made keyboard /mouse? afaik from others it can make wonders; if the problem is that bad something is seriously wrong there.

19:49

what is he, like in his 30s ? this might be the worst case of carpal i ever heard of, good grief.

19:49

I don't actually know mats' age.

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late 20s

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o.O

19:49

had it since late teens actually.

19:49

post-traumatic ?

19:50

most people have to spend 20+ years being hand loomers & such before getting crippled by it.

19:51

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mp_en_viaje is very ostentatious about his "carpal syndrome", which consists in some stiffness w/o loss of sensation if fucking with computers for 12+ hours straight. apparently, it's mostly imaginary irl.

19:51

mp_en_viaje: Thank you for the response. I don't plan on doing anything to get neg-rated. Just having been in the soup, as it were, for some time. Figured, my turn is coming. But I hope I'm wrong about that.

19:51

there are also exercises and all that but honestly if that's bad I can't consider the keyboard+mouse "fine"

19:52

its because of heavy chording with elaborate wow keybinds

19:52

so uhm, don't do that?

19:53

i'm embarassed, and i haven't played the game in a decade

19:53

mats: seriously, as aggressive as I might seem to you, maybe read the #ossasepia logs and figure some help out.

19:54

mod6, that's a rather weird way to think about it, don't you find ? wtf am i, the man-eating ogre ? and wtf are you, princess rapunzel, asleeep in a castle, waiting for prince to come wake you up with a kiss / eat your babies, at his options ?

19:55

wouldn't it be more towards this side of sanity river to actually be doing shit to crawl out of whatever bowl of soup, perhaps documenting them / working with the people specializing in helpong etc ?

19:55

mats, i expect over the past three decades i used computers for upwards of 50k hours. and yes, a good chunk of that was playng, but...

19:56

i dunno, i guess my proverbial laziness saved me, i never got into the precision orchestra raid bs. wtf am i, a concert pianist ?

19:56

i played 100% pvp, never had any interest in killing mobs for hours

19:57

ah ? i thought it's mostly the elaborate raiding gymnastics that do the player hands in. so... did you ever make the ladders ?

19:58

mp_en_viaje: Well, like I was saying, the thought never entered my mind before; but figured, I'd better ask and see in case it does.

19:58

Yeah, on the side of sanity river, these would be good starts to getting out of said hot-water.

19:59

what are you doing these days, anyways ?

20:00

i wasnt very good, iirc hovering around top 100 2v2, 3v3 teams on the most competitive server at the time

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BingoBoingo suspects his peculiar typing habits (more tuba than piano finger movements) are responsible for a lack of keyboard time to wrist pain conenction. The downside of this is a non-trivial error rate in typing.

20:01

esports players have a very high incidence of injury afaik

20:02

Anyone who takes their pursuits to the level of "sport" have a high incidence of either injury or odd physiological adaptations deviating from normal.

20:02

Goes with being competitive

20:02

now this is true.

20:02

in wow it depended on which class you played, i had arrangements like ctrl+shift+A|S|D|F, ctrl+alt+QWERTY, the dumbest ongoing error i have ever made

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kinda wjhat "sport' came to mean, "stop having fun guys, be in pain instead"

20:02

at least rms had emacs to show

20:03

A bunch of different things: Looking at some options for work for next year, Q1 I think. Working on a whole parade of home-related repairs/upgrades. Following on and trying to help/give advise where I can re: Pizarro. Working on getting some of my blog posts re-posted. Spent a bit of time trying to get the Foundation's ML back working -- since I had a bunch of trouble with that, I've since just posted th

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e archives. I think going forward we'll either need to get it in working order again, or find something new.

20:03

mats, you know, these retrospective "what have i to show" saddened all sort of great minds to date. pepys' journal is fulla "lost my work / lost my toil" etc.

20:03

thanks diana_coman, ill read the logs

20:03

BingoBoingo: dunno, fwiw I rather think my previous piano-play xp actually helped a lot re typing-without-injuries.

20:04

mod6, so mostly what the latinos call "alma de casa" ?

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BingoBoingo usually does three fingers for letters, pinkies for shift&ctrl, spacebar open to being hit by whatever. Letter come out in bursts, usually no more than a couple measures at a time.

20:04

mats: no problem; and do ask in #o chan if there's anything unclear in there.

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diana_coman: AHA, but I never got into piano. My fingers understand buttons from a Tuba instrument family point of view.

20:05

mp_en_viaje: Hmm, not sure if I understand the reference exactly. But yeah, had a whole pile of repairs to do around here. Has been keeping me on my toes since late sept.

20:06

alma = soul, casa = home. how they call a homebody i guess or somesuch. someone whose central pursuits is the maintaining of their home.

20:06

Here I see more "ama de casa" used by housekeepers who've had their traditional arrangements fucked to hell by the local commies.

20:07

Well, in that case, yes, for now. I'd been pretty far behind on such things. But getting caught up. Only got like 3 more major things to complete. Only two of which will probably get done before spring.

20:08

(On account of the weather turning sour in these recent weeks.)

20:17

nicoleci

mp_en_viaje, oh yes you're missing out....you should see that thing! asciilifeform couldn't convincingly larp an isp, & is now going to larp - the whole orchestra instead

20:31

nicoleci: I suspect his putting all of these things on his shoulders has the potential to be his healthiest course of action

20:32

It's a substantial part of the sadness of the situation.

20:41

well, it's always good to be thorough.

20:42

but as far as the weather goes, this was a superb autumn in yurp, had like one day of rain in five weeks' journeys, and even now, it's just sunny and beautiful.

20:47

Good to hear. Here it has been the RioPlatense spring mix of rain, sun, heat, and mild chill, frequently all inside the same day.

20:50

bvt

http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-11-04#1949422 << well, still have to do measurements (end of this week if everything goes right), then it would become possible to decide if everything works.

20:50

ossabot

Logged on 2019-11-04 15:29:03 mp_en_viaje: incidentally, it occurs to me, bvt had just completed a large pile of work re getting the fg in the kernel.

20:50

bvt

re closing of s.nsa an the related conflict, i will do a post on this (imo irc would be a bad medium for this purpose, at least for me). i can increase the priority of this post if people consider it a pressing matter.

20:51

i don't think it's a pressing matter ; i'll certainly read it.

20:54

i'm mostly trying to avoid sourness in the vein of "i was doing X then things changed from under me", like eg at some point occured re cuntoo. seems to me low volume participants are particularly vulnerable -- not that low volume is in itself any kinda crime.

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low volume

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low volume ~on irc~ i mean.

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like, plainly : people who do a lot but don't talk a lot may be not talking a lot because they don't need to ; but may also not be talking for extraneous reasons, even though they do need to. it's impossible to dsicern which of the two is taking place from the other end, specifically because low volume = weak sample = no basis to guess.

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