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02:59 mp_en_viaje BingoBoingo, nice
03:00 mp_en_viaje btw, i got like 60 pingbacks from you, that are all dupes. i mean... http://trilema.com/2013/ripple-the-definitive-discussion/#comment-95245 exists, but now there;s also one from http://bingology.net/2013/09/26/anti-bitcoin-bitcoin-apps-part-3-gliph-in-particular/?b=Rippl&e=#select
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03:00 mp_en_viaje i wonder wtf shall i do
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03:20 mp_en_viaje lobbes hmm lobbesbot gone ?
03:21 mp_en_viaje in other old lulz, http://trilema.com/2014/cunt-size-discussion-this-is-guaranteed-to-be-weird/#footnote_1_53633
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04:22 mp_en_viaje BingoBoingo, should prolly exclude pingbacks and be longer.
04:22 mp_en_viaje anyways ima publish all these bingology trackbkacs seeing how they use the neat select thing, improvement over old ver.
04:30 feedbot http://trilema.com/2019/how-plugrushcom-got-itself-banned-or-heres-what-business-is-not/ << Trilema -- How plugrush.com got itself banned, or Here's what business is not
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05:21 mp_en_viaje ahahaha what the everloving fuck! bingo@patreon ?!
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08:41 lobbes mp_en_viaje: re: lobbesbot. The heathen VPS it is hosted on is migrating their servers. Hopefully will be back online in 24 hours (I didn't want 100% of my stuff on Pizarro; potential central point of failure and all)
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08:42 lobbes though I must say, Pizarro uptime has proven to be far superior than any of the heathen options thus far
08:42 * lobbes bbl $mines
08:54 feedbot http://ave1.org/2019/lisp-why-step-5/ << ave1 -- Lisp, Why?, step #5
09:02 mp_en_viaje aok
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09:29 ave1 I also have to work on my attention span for writing, I'm getting impatient half-way through.
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10:22 mp_en_viaje ave1, it's better to adjust article length to your span, and let it work itself gradually.
10:22 mp_en_viaje early trilema articles were short ; then got longer and more involved over time
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10:54 mp_en_viaje lol in a concerted effort to not make mistakes, shrysr 's description of his understanding of the wot thing became significantly vague-r. and of course mistakes still make it in, eg "This rating represents what that person means to you in whatever way you like." is specifically untrue. the number you associated with a rating represens your guess at the likelihood that you will be able to answer a question about that party asked b
10:54 mp_en_viaje y someone who has rated you.
10:56 mp_en_viaje this is why the unknowns problem is an absolute bar to a high rating -- if people keep asking me questions about X that i can't answer, ima eventually drop their rating.
10:56 a111 Logged on 2019-07-28 23:01 mp_en_viaje: as per http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-01#1806991 tradition i don't even have enough information to distinguish between the case where "phf bleeding to death in a minsk ditch" ; "phf in love forgot all about world" ; "phf kidnapped by unreported alien invasion" or literally any other alternative. nfi how to approach it, either, tried everything i could think of.
10:56 mp_en_viaje really there's no way to understand the wot outside of the general theory of the field it resolves, oracles and sybils and all that.
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11:32 feedbot http://thetarpit.org/posts/y06/098-hunchentoot-iv.html << The Tar Pit -- Hunchentoot: acceptor code review
11:38 asciilifeform spyked: can pleeeez haz comments on your www ? ( at the risk of repeating mp_en_viaje's , srsly, 'no comment box' is quite discouraging in re reading)
11:38 a111 Logged on 2019-07-26 18:53 mp_en_viaje: im guessing for this one time http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/fn1VH/?raw=true will have to be it ; but for the love of christ, what are you doing to me here ? am i going to simply ignore your articles because i know for a fact i'm not interestreded in reading something i can't comment on and you're forcing on me the dilemma of either not commenting at all or else losing it in pastes ? this won't do, if i use an hour to read a post i
11:38 mp_en_viaje he did say he'll put them in manually.
11:39 asciilifeform tru
11:40 asciilifeform spyked: imho your 'hunchentoot' vivisection illustrates important point : just how much of the complexity of that thing is on acct of idjit tcpism's shit abstractions, i.e. the lengths to which it goes to pretend that the machines aint exchanging short packets in quasi-reliable ordering
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11:41 asciilifeform 'acceptors', 'persistent connections', various streamisms, 'listeners', and other 'i can't believe it's not serialport!111' horros
11:41 asciilifeform *horrors
11:42 asciilifeform for yrs nao, asciilifeform thought, 'why the everliving fuck not serve page as a set of luby packets'
11:42 asciilifeform then -- 'magically' -- no moar 'acceptors', 'streams', 'listeners', 'chunkings'...
11:44 spyked asciilifeform, sorry for the annoyance. will certainly do, but the effort to add comments is non-trivial. I'ma try to add structured commenting (box + comments section for each post) in a few weeks from now, but it'll still be a manually operated thing on my side for a while.
11:44 asciilifeform on top of this : could just as easily serve a page from cluster of boxes instead of merely 1 (there's nothing preventing the slices from being generated wherever you want)
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11:45 spyked agreed re. tcpism, the "persistent connection" abstraction is entirely unfit for this kind of thing.
11:45 asciilifeform spyked: imho put link to this thread, is even better than pasting the 'comment'
11:48 asciilifeform tcp was a 'gift' of profound retardation that 'keeps on giving', even to moar obvious extent than e.g. unix. it is single-handedly responsible for ~100% of the backbreaking complexicrud of apache, ssh, ftp, etc
11:49 asciilifeform the net aint a serial port!! it dun behave like a serial port! and the spackle dun do any good, it cracks and peels when you so much as blow on it
11:49 a111 Logged on 2018-10-25 19:10 asciilifeform: when you add compatibility spackle, serious reader is not saved from reading the thing you spackled over -- on the contrary nao he has to read the ~original~ rubbish ~plus~ your spackle, however much it weighs.
11:49 a111 Logged on 2019-02-12 23:49 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: thinking about it -- 'zxc' strikes me as a classic case of http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-25#1866191 and impedence mismatch generally. it was clearly written as attempt to 'deterministic scheduler on ??? iron/os', but fails, cuz you can't actually spackle away impedence mismatch b/w the underlying platform and the proggy
11:53 asciilifeform ever wonder why heathens still fascinated, like chukchas with radio found in taiga, with 'bittorrent' ? it's because warez goes at ~line rate~ over 'bittorrent'. and at maybe 2/3 line rate on http on a good weather day. why? cuz bt , despite authored by idiot, ~let go of tcpism~ !
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11:56 asciilifeform as if the ludicrous cpu & bw waste of tcp weren't enuff, it also conveniently groups (with said grouping being entirely plaintext) 'sessions' for hitler to moar conveniently store & read.
12:01 asciilifeform will reproduce bit of spyked's text for the log :
12:01 asciilifeform 'Now, as if this wasn't enough, TCP also has a (transport layer) segment size, which must fit into a so-called "Maximum Segment Size" (MSS), which must be smaller than the MTU, because we also need to fit lower-layer headers and all that. Otherwise TCP isn't concerned too much with this, but misconfiguration can cause problems with congestion windows and whatnot, and we sure as hell don't want this shit to blow up. Finally, as if the
12:01 asciilifeform fuckers who designed the L3 shit and the ones who specced the L4 shit didn't add enough, here come the L7 idiots who, not being satisfied with a "file transfer protocol" decide to "support" file transfers over HTTP; and since files may be as large as, say, 1TB, then yes, splitting them into small chunks is very much preferable to sending the whole thing right away.'
12:02 asciilifeform ^ i.e. there are at least ~4~ successive impedance-mismatched layers of liquishit , if you count ~server~ (e.g. hunchentoot) . ~5~ if you count reader's browser !
12:10 asciilifeform the 'session' abstraction aint even cardboard , it is toilet paper. yes, i get it, ftp or irc box might want to represent a user as having a 'session' that might time out etc. but why give 9000 flaky (or malicious) routers between the user & server the ability to close the session whenever ~they~ feel like it ?
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12:28 BingoBoingo http://btcbase.org/log/2019-08-01#1925907 << I noticed the blog was missing incoming some incoming trackback on older posts, so I poked the DB a bit.
12:28 a111 Logged on 2019-08-01 07:00 mp_en_viaje: btw, i got like 60 pingbacks from you, that are all dupes. i mean... http://trilema.com/2013/ripple-the-definitive-discussion/#comment-95245 exists, but now there;s also one from http://bingology.net/2013/09/26/anti-bitcoin-bitcoin-apps-part-3-gliph-in-particular/?b=Rippl&e=#select
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13:14 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2019-08-01#1925914 << prolly he subscribed to somebody's pay www ? i defo did at 1 pt ( orlol's )
13:14 a111 Logged on 2019-08-01 09:21 mp_en_viaje: ahahaha what the everloving fuck! bingo@patreon ?!
13:15 BingoBoingo asciilifeform: Went fising for derps
13:15 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: caught any ?
13:15 mp_en_viaje BingoBoingo, asciilifeform somehow patreon sent unsolicited email to the email address i published earlier today
13:16 mp_en_viaje i still suispect some kind of ungodly manipulation, because no mailinglist was confirmed or anything like that.
13:16 asciilifeform mp_en_viaje: they send spam like it's 1999 lol
13:16 mp_en_viaje and they know to send it from bingo@patreon ?
13:17 asciilifeform mp_en_viaje: also their pw reset mechanism is broken, i've been trying to log in & cancel acct for 3+ yrs nao (erry 6mo or so) and been to their india-powered 'support line' even. no dice.
13:17 mp_en_viaje in other sad lulz : protonmail.com too pantsuit to... show you the god damned headers.
13:17 mp_en_viaje imagine that wonder of "security"
13:17 asciilifeform what's 'proton' ? disposable spamgourmet thing ?
13:17 mp_en_viaje wanna-be usgistic "encrypted emaik"
13:18 asciilifeform lol, does it come with acct on 'keybase' !?
13:18 mp_en_viaje 2048 bit something, nfi
13:18 mp_en_viaje prolly
13:19 * asciilifeform of the 'get the cheapest astrologist' school of thought , on those occasions when must use email
13:20 mp_en_viaje i dun think this costs anything
13:20 asciilifeform if it's 1 of those lulzy 'faux crypto via js' things, costs having-to-login-from-js-browser neh.
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13:22 mp_en_viaje shrysr, https://s.ragavan.co/2019/07/failed-to-implement-the-line-selection-to-url-hack/?b=Summary&e=estimate#select << works fine ?
13:22 mp_en_viaje !!up shrysr
13:22 deedbot shrysr voiced for 30 minutes.
13:24 mp_en_viaje this might be the first time i actually get to say to engineer that reported complete failure "oh, actually, it works ?!"
13:24 mp_en_viaje usually it's other way around
13:24 BingoBoingo <asciilifeform> BingoBoingo: caught any ? << Caught a deep impression that US, EE, and SA poverteneur goals are converging to the same 400 USD/month
13:26 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: what does this mean , for beggar to have 'goal' ? maybe i'm thick, but i thought 'goal' was to fill the hat with as many coins as possible erry day ?
13:26 asciilifeform ( what does beggar do if 'not meet goal' ?? on street corner, he could walk to new corner. but what's the 'patreon' equiv ?? )
13:27 shrysr mp_en_viaje: works fine ??
13:27 mp_en_viaje yes ?
13:28 mp_en_viaje asciilifeform, move on to being rapper ?
13:28 shrysr mp_en_viaje: I implemented the 2nd article's directions - just tried... not working on my browser
13:28 BingoBoingo <asciilifeform> ( what does beggar do if 'not meet goal' ?? on street corner, he could walk to new corner. but what's the 'patreon' equiv ?? ) << Actual pichis pointedly can't walk to any other corner as they wish because bum fights
13:28 mp_en_viaje note : this guess is bolstered by sampling conversation with a lot of their "girlfriends"
13:28 mp_en_viaje shrysr, must be the browser, because it works as expected here.
13:29 BingoBoingo shrysr: You select thing works from here too
13:29 mp_en_viaje http://archive.is/wjGRL << archive also sees it.
13:29 asciilifeform mp_en_viaje: i thought progression were more usually e.g. x -> y -> rapper -> p -> q -> beggar rather than x -> beggar -> y
13:29 mp_en_viaje asciilifeform, you familiar with qm concepts of proba bility cloud yes ? here it's probability clown : entrepreneur, student, rapper, designer, etc
13:29 asciilifeform shrysr: indeed your select display seems to work
13:30 shrysr HOLY SHIT
13:30 mp_en_viaje keks
13:30 asciilifeform mp_en_viaje: lol i have'em moar 'classically' modeled as simply 'beggar' energy level
13:30 mp_en_viaje not adequate!
13:30 asciilifeform evidently
13:32 shrysr mp_en_viaje: i thought the 2nd solution browser independent? I'm using the firefox dev edition
13:32 * asciilifeform pictures 'hybridization orbital' for rapper-designer etc
13:32 mp_en_viaje shrysr, nfi why it doesn't work on your machine. indeed the solution should be browser independent. maybe they broke the spec ?
13:33 mp_en_viaje asciilifeform, foreals.
13:33 mp_en_viaje this is factual, and predictively-productive.
13:34 asciilifeform 'Note taken on <span class="timestamp-wrapper"><span class="timestamp">[2019-07-31 Wed 09:17] </span></span> <br /> <span style="background-color:#d3d3d3" id="select">Summary: By my estimate</span>, I have spent 6-8' << oughta display anywhere
13:34 feedbot http://qntra.net/2019/08/qntra-s-qntr-july-2019-report/ << Qntra -- Qntra (S.QNTR) July 2019 Report
13:35 asciilifeform 'lynx' does report 'bad html' tho
13:35 asciilifeform (but naturally dun say ~where~...)
13:35 shrysr mp_en_viaje: just tried on a 'fresh' chrome installation.. still don't see it.
13:35 mp_en_viaje wtf.
13:36 * asciilifeform tried on several chromisms, all seem to display
13:36 asciilifeform shrysr: i suspect there's an unclosed tag somewhere
13:37 asciilifeform most of the extant browsers do the idjit 'postel's law' thing where they 'fix'
13:37 a111 Logged on 2018-02-02 16:23 asciilifeform: the 'postel's law' nonsense, of silently forgiving people who send liquishit at the dusty disused corners of the protocol, enabling there to even ~be~ such a thing as dusty corners in a protocol!, MUST die.
13:37 asciilifeform evidently not all
13:37 feedbot http://trilema.com/2019/kiev-the-continuation/ << Trilema -- Kiev, the continuation.
13:37 shrysr asciilifeform: ok, will check and revert. but damnnnnnn its working somewhere..rofl. Its such a cool thing and I don't know why its not standard.
13:38 mp_en_viaje shrysr, the current theory seems to be indeed his : your page is subtly broken somewhere else, which makes this not work on some browsers but not others. put it through validators see if you can find the unclosed tag or we/
13:38 shrysr ok
13:38 asciilifeform shrysr: mp_en_viaje's orig item worx 100% errywhere (that i've tried)
13:38 mp_en_viaje shrysr, indeed, wanna try the select on my page on yoru browsers ?
13:39 asciilifeform epic win, btw, the server-end highlighter. i'ma put it in my www as soon as have a free finger or two
13:39 mp_en_viaje if it works there it's almost certain such a subtle error in your theme, as an uncliosed div or span or such
13:40 shrysr mp_en_viaje: yes selection on your pages work, and so does younghands.club, .. seen it before and just rechecked.
13:40 mp_en_viaje right. validate your theme and see.
13:41 mp_en_viaje (fwiw, trilema spits out deliberately invalid html, also)
13:43 mp_en_viaje in other scandal, by the time i hit "[wafs] wake-acceptor-for-shutdown" in spyked 's story i'm so fucking pissed off i can't even continue reading.
13:43 mp_en_viaje why the fuck is this hunchenback even written in lisp ? it's pure python, why not just write it in python and be happy.
13:43 asciilifeform mp_en_viaje: i was only able to eat w/out choking because already, decade+ ago, had read 'hunchentoot' an' barfed
13:44 mp_en_viaje this is not a lisp program.
13:44 asciilifeform point is , tho, that it is barfalicious ~because tcp~, not because author as such was tard
13:44 asciilifeform you can't actually write a tcpistic http serv thing that doesn't end up looking exactly like this, or worse.
13:44 mp_en_viaje it's the exact equivalent of enunciating english words with an o at the end to speako el mexicano, understando ?
13:47 asciilifeform mp_en_viaje: imho described upstack 100% covers it.
13:47 a111 Logged on 2019-08-01 15:40 asciilifeform: spyked: imho your 'hunchentoot' vivisection illustrates important point : just how much of the complexity of that thing is on acct of idjit tcpism's shit abstractions, i.e. the lengths to which it goes to pretend that the machines aint exchanging short packets in quasi-reliable ordering
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14:06 asciilifeform mp_en_viaje: at one time in '17 asciilifeform tried hand at writing basic ada www server. ended up burning it all. because ended up looking quite like 'hunchentoot', and quite evidently 'water took the shape of the bottle', i.e. inescapably
14:07 mp_en_viaje ok, but it's stll not fuckin glisp in any meaningful sense.
14:07 mp_en_viaje i don't specifically care re the culprint ; but i do not see the wisdom of having a lisp server if it looks like that. for one thing, if you just make it honest c more people can be found to debug it.
14:09 asciilifeform imho if stuck with ugly piece of shit, would still rather have one w/out the nulltermstring, buf overrun, offbyone, etc. bugola. but i see mp_en_viaje's pt
14:09 mp_en_viaje i also do not believe that going about in ox-drawn carts with "Mercedesuzuki" spray-painted on the sides "will aid people to migrate to cars later" or anything
14:10 mp_en_viaje asciilifeform, that might be an argument for ada. but not for lisp. lisp comes with interpreter costs etc.
14:10 asciilifeform mp_en_viaje: cl (aside from egregiously retarded incarnations, e.g. gnu's) aint interpreted, lol
14:11 mp_en_viaje i thought this required gnu cl
14:11 asciilifeform penalty (given similar algo) is approx same as ada's
14:11 asciilifeform mp_en_viaje: hunchentoot is known to run on e.g. sbcl, ccl , where compiled.
14:11 mp_en_viaje ah
14:12 mp_en_viaje anyway, i'm not proposing any hangings today ; but we also can't just completely ignore this ridiculousness wtf.
14:12 asciilifeform in asciilifeform's judgement, the retardation is pulled in ~by the protocol per se~ . but folx are welcome to try an' prove wrong.
14:13 mp_en_viaje irrespective of how it gets in -- the fact remains, it's STILL not lisp, even if "written in lisp". cuz it's "written in lisp*" where * = as if it were not lisp
14:14 asciilifeform 'fortran in lisp'(tm)
14:15 mp_en_viaje ikr ?!
14:15 mp_en_viaje http://btcbase.org/log/2019-08-01#1925939 << this is incidentally a very good point i would much regret being lost. webpages wouldn't suffer from this "coinverges -- eventually" behaviour
14:15 a111 Logged on 2019-08-01 15:44 asciilifeform: on top of this : could just as easily serve a page from cluster of boxes instead of merely 1 (there's nothing preventing the slices from being generated wherever you want)
14:15 mp_en_viaje and yes, suddenly multi-server becomes free.
14:15 asciilifeform and ddosism evaporates.
14:16 mp_en_viaje besides, the mechanism splendidly demonstrared in torrents, not like this is arcana toch
14:16 mp_en_viaje tech*
14:16 mp_en_viaje yup.
14:16 asciilifeform re torrent -- noted, btw, upstack
14:16 a111 Logged on 2019-08-01 15:53 asciilifeform: ever wonder why heathens still fascinated, like chukchas with radio found in taiga, with 'bittorrent' ? it's because warez goes at ~line rate~ over 'bittorrent'. and at maybe 2/3 line rate on http on a good weather day. why? cuz bt , despite authored by idiot, ~let go of tcpism~ !
14:16 mp_en_viaje it is very evidently and most eminently the only rught thing.
14:18 asciilifeform mp_en_viaje: btw this is another application where box with FG wins -- generating fast-converging luby frags
14:18 asciilifeform ( even if you have to 'stretch' the FG w/ prngism, still 9000x moar convergence than with bare hands )
14:19 mp_en_viaje not even sure must be lubby necessarily ; but anyways
14:19 asciilifeform mp_en_viaje: there are actually coupla dozen (that asciilifeform knows of) schemes similar in scope to luby's -- i picked his simply cuz a) works b) minimal complexity
14:20 mp_en_viaje nor am i against it or anything.
14:21 mp_en_viaje but the stance seems tenable that if we're gonna go to all the trouble to make and maintain lisp webserver, might as well make a non-fucked one and make new browsers for it
14:21 asciilifeform it is far from proven that it could not be substantially improved on. but afaik a) only along the axis of bw economy b) at substantial expense in re moving parts.
14:21 asciilifeform ( this in re luby's algo )
14:21 mp_en_viaje and if not wanna actually fuck, then get out of the night club, go home, have a tea
14:21 mp_en_viaje which rapidly collapses "lisp webserver" into gossipd and all that.
14:22 asciilifeform strictly speaking , udpistic page server doesn't even require gossipism. but ideally yes.
14:23 asciilifeform ( why would ~not~ want ? conceivably, cuz rsa is expensive. at least until we have e.g. that 8192bit mips iron, or similar )
14:25 mp_en_viaje can start with a non-cyphered poc antyway
14:28 asciilifeform an' if 'sane server', and 'fuck or go home and tea', may as well then also serve up sexpr instead of the html soup.
14:30 mp_en_viaje yes.
14:30 mp_en_viaje why the fuck would lisp webserver serve ANYTHING ELSE
14:30 mp_en_viaje it makes no fuckin gsense at no node in the whole fractal tree of stupid.
14:32 asciilifeform the only conceivable reason why httpism lived (for 3!! fucking decades) is cowardice. 'oh noez, couldn't tell reader to install sane browser, MUST compat with internet-exploder' etc
14:32 mp_en_viaje but now ~that there is structure of authority~... eminently CAN tell.
14:33 mp_en_viaje especially seeing how nobody is forced or required to fucking use it ; not for a while anyways. can always fall back on present c-ism if would rather.
14:33 mp_en_viaje this is basically the discussion here, properly identify the quantified states.
14:35 asciilifeform reason why 3 decade of 'apache' is same as why erryone (incl. microshit) is using that SAME tcp stack from berkeley '80s. cuz protocol was deliberately made so braindamaged, with literally 10,000+ moving parts, that ~impossible to correctly reimplement if demanding compat with 'everyone'
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14:35 asciilifeform the correct end of the funnel to plug, is to burn the protocol.
14:35 asciilifeform (same thing we're doing to gpg's rfc2440 etc)
14:39 asciilifeform there's a long queue of 'idjit standards that Must Die if anyffin sane is to be possible'. on other side of the tower, e.g., x86.
14:41 asciilifeform 'из говна пулю не сделаешь'(tm)(r)
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15:08 asciilifeform prolly this is where asciilifeform oughta admit, that in his notebook he has (what thinks is) a reasonable protocol for this. it however needs fast keccak.
15:08 asciilifeform ( cleanly handles the multi-box scenario, too. )
15:21 mp_en_viaje http://btcbase.org/log/2019-08-01#1925973 << i dunno that non-js webmail thing exists.
15:21 a111 Logged on 2019-08-01 17:20 asciilifeform: if it's 1 of those lulzy 'faux crypto via js' things, costs having-to-login-from-js-browser neh.
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15:47 asciilifeform mp_en_viaje: 'mailinator', 'gmx', etc spamtraps still afaik work
15:52 * mp_en_viaje is admittedly not keeping too close an eye
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17:01 dorion I have a trb node pressed to asciilifeform_aggressive_pushgetblocks.vpatch plus a local modification to add a new rpc. This node was was fully synced for a couple days, but has failed to verify block 588012.
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17:02 dorion http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/gQ05f/?raw=true << Here is debug.log snippet since receiving 588011. ~300 lines in it fails on 588012.
17:02 dorion The remainder of that file is the remainder of the hour in which it attemps several reorgs.
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17:18 mp_en_viaje is it actyually block 588012 hash 0000000000000000000ba68c82d9b620cf028f0642c833a5eda92dbf68d5a3fb ? or is it the next, hafsize one, hash 0000000000000000001498ec3c9796a44b53b8b70186920d15a5e34afcaaa719 ?
17:24 dorion because the hash is truncated in the log, it only indicates the leading b for 588012.
17:25 dorion Given the truncated hashes, I pressed to asciilifeform_whogaveblox.vpatch (which includes mod6_excise_hash_truncation.vpatch), stopped the node and restarted with the new binary.
17:25 dorion http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/qT7ce/?raw=true << Here is first 200 lines from debug.log after the restart.
17:26 dorion http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/kpTWI/?raw=true << Here is the snippet starting at first reorg attempt in that run.
17:28 dorion when I grep 0000000000000000000ba68c82d9b620cf028f0642c833a5eda92dbf68d5a3fb debug.log it reports to have
17:32 feedbot http://trilema.com/2019/thelastpsychiatristcom-are-there-really-so-many-people-with-such-troubles-in-your-country-to-make-such-medicine-such-an-important-matter-adnotated/ << Trilema -- thel....com - "Are there really so many people with such troubles in your country to make such medicine such an important matter?" Adnotated.
17:37 asciilifeform hmm dorion why didja build w/out the de-truncation patch ?
17:38 asciilifeform pretty sure it made it into the flagship vtree
17:38 asciilifeform ( mod6 ? )
17:39 asciilifeform dorion: '08/01/19 01:11:33 InvalidChainFound: invalid block=0000000000000000000b height=588012 work=2327381792950809691787748424' << somebody's sending invalid blox. happens erryday.
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17:39 asciilifeform 0 to do with trb.
17:42 dorion asciilifeform de-truncation is marked experimental on btcbase.org/patches and thebitcoin.foundation/v/patches
17:42 asciilifeform dorion: http://nosuchlabs.com/pub/588012.blk << blk # 588012 from zoolag.
17:47 dorion ty, stopping now and restarting with -caneat
17:47 asciilifeform of erry 20 folx that ask re 'my trb stopped at block B', 19 problem is impatience.
17:49 asciilifeform !Q later tell mod6 is something wedging your conveyor re eating patches ? plz do say. cuz e.g. detruncation is iirc >1y old nao
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17:49 asciilifeform grr lobbes bot dead ?
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17:49 * asciilifeform brb:teatime
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18:20 asciilifeform dorion: 'Reorganize() : ConnectBlock failed' is emitted strictly when encountering invalid block.
18:21 dorion after restarting with -caneat, bitcoind eatblock 588012.blk returns: error: {"code": -2, "message":"Safe mode: WARNING: Displayed transactions may not be correct! You may need to upgrade, or other node may need to upgrade."
18:21 dorion it also returns this on getbalance, listtransaction, etc.
18:22 asciilifeform dorion: nao this is interesting. can you dumblock the last 20 or so and tar'em up, post , plz.
18:22 asciilifeform *dumpblock
18:27 asciilifeform seems like this is what happens if one terminates a node on even fork-split boundary.
18:28 asciilifeform dorion: you may have to restart with '-disablesafemode' flag, to resume sync.
18:28 asciilifeform and it may take a while.
18:29 asciilifeform mp_en_viaje et al : ^ pretty nasty , surprised no one has observed this effect before.
18:31 asciilifeform at this pt, seems quite evident that someone is throwing around crafted wedge chains (i.e. mined after-the-fact , with backdated timestamp, going from older block) specifically to wedge syncing folx.
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18:34 asciilifeform if mod6 had the detruncation and the 'who-gave' patches in the flagship tree, we could even potentially find out who...
18:35 asciilifeform for ref: 'who-gave' patch.
18:35 a111 Logged on 2018-09-29 22:11 asciilifeform: ACHTUNG, panzers!!! http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2018-September/000312.html << .
18:39 asciilifeform dorion: you will have to show your local modification if you want to be 100% certain wtf yer node is doing.
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18:39 a111 Logged on 2019-08-01 21:01 dorion: I have a trb node pressed to asciilifeform_aggressive_pushgetblocks.vpatch plus a local modification to add a new rpc. This node was was fully synced for a couple days, but has failed to verify block 588012.
18:42 asciilifeform and hey jurov, can i persuade you to update http://btc.yt/lxr/satoshi/source/ to contain the latest flagship tree plz ?
18:42 asciilifeform ( as it is, 99% of threads are served by the older snapshot, cuz they concern very basic mechanisms -- but the line #s are liable to be off )
18:48 lobbes http://btcbase.org/log/2019-08-01#1926113 << hopefully will return soon (TM) >> http://btcbase.org/log/2019-08-01#1925915
18:48 a111 Logged on 2019-08-01 21:49 asciilifeform: grr lobbes bot dead ?
18:48 a111 Logged on 2019-08-01 12:41 lobbes: mp_en_viaje: re: lobbesbot. The heathen VPS it is hosted on is migrating their servers. Hopefully will be back online in 24 hours (I didn't want 100% of my stuff on Pizarro; potential central point of failure and all)
18:48 * asciilifeform bbl:meat
18:49 feedbot http://qntra.net/2019/08/dnc-loses-2016-hack-related-racketeering-suit/ << Qntra -- DNC Loses 2016 Hack Related Racketeering Suit
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19:17 mod6 Hey there
19:22 mod6 http://btcbase.org/log/2019-08-01#1926112 << These go back to this, I did test those ones when they came in. iirc they did work alright when I tested them. I stopped adding these items to the working vtree (SHA512) when mircea_popescu said, and instead started working towards getting the keccak vtree built & then getting it onto cuntoo. Figured once there & stab
19:22 a111 Logged on 2019-08-01 21:49 asciilifeform: !Q later tell mod6 is something wedging your conveyor re eating patches ? plz do say. cuz e.g. detruncation is iirc >1y old nao
19:22 a111 Logged on 2019-07-24 00:56 mod6: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-07-19#1923606 << This is a neat-o vpatch 'who gave', but it came in just after the 'NO NEW WORK IN SHA PLOX'; so there are a few like this that probably will go into TRB main Vtree once the Lordship reviews/audits the proposed Keccak TRB Vtree; perhaps possibly after TRB has a new home OS/environment.
19:22 mod6 le, could begin retroactively testing & adding these older submissions into the tree.
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19:24 mod6 I've been pondering mircea_popescu's reponse to the above link since the statement was made. I'm not sure how I went wrong here, but not adding to the existing SHA512 vtree is what I understood my instructions to be.
19:25 mod6 I think my head must be broken, because the stress of making a decision wrong is paralyzing.
19:28 mod6 It seems like Mr. Popescu feels the same way. That I should be drummed out. We've known each other (all of us) for quite some time now. And I don't want to be a "problem" or "idjit" or whatever. Mainly, I don't want to force you all to kick me out.
19:28 mod6 Or tell me to leave.
19:30 mod6 So I should just do this on my own accord. Shall we make some arragements for someone to take over the Foundation? How can we go about this. I want to see TMSR~/The Foundation/Pizzaro succeed. Even if that means that I'm not a part of these any longer.
19:33 mod6 This year, I've done what I could with the time I have available, which, indeed, is far less time than I've had in say, '11-'16. I know I haven't produced as much as I would like this year, especially in July. I've had so much secular stuff come up, my head is spinning. But reality is, I barely have enough time to keep up with the logs.
19:33 mod6 TMSR~/The Foundation/Pizarro deserve better.
19:36 mod6 Heck, for what its worth, I know that there has been some talk about reorganziation of Pizarro's roles/responsibilities since after this latest round, that if I'm causing strife/headaches, I'd even be willing to split my shares between BingoBoingo and asciilifeform, and you guys can continue one.
19:37 mod6 s/one/on/
19:38 mod6 But all of this has beaten me down. I've been trying to soldier on this year, being productive, helpful. But it's not working out, is it?
19:40 mod6 Like I said earlier this year, I do care about my wot-rating, so I don't want to damage that. Let's discuss/work together to help me move on from these things.
19:41 mod6 I've got to stop moving for a minute and eat something, and then write up a basic nothing-burger of a foundation report. I'll be back around in a bit.
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20:55 asciilifeform * a111 has quit (Quit: ...) << !
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21:16 asciilifeform ben_vulpes ( or trinque , plox to whisper in his ear ) : phf might be dead, but afaik you aint! where is the genesis of yer www log front end ? why are we down to ONE half-maintained log bot ? does asciilifeform have to drop errything and try an' bake a logger ? why ?
21:25 asciilifeform ftr asciilifeform is sewing a constant-time keccak so that peh can rsa in battlefield. is someone gonna do this in my place, so i can write www log ??
21:29 asciilifeform and, the other q, is writing log www somehow lethally dangerous work ?! kako wrote -- succumbed to brain fungus. Framedragger -- succumbed. phf -- ditto. ben_vulpes -- ???!
21:30 asciilifeform what the fuck is the common thread there?!
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22:17 mod6 http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2019-August/000335.html << Here's The Foundation report for July.
22:20 mod6 Ah, jeeze. mircea_popescu isn't here is he.
22:24 mod6 !Q later tell mp_en_viaje http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/OmWqw/?raw=true << Saw the logger died and you were not in-chan.
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