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00:01 mircea_popescu !Xbid 1007 145mn
00:01 auctionbot Sell order # 1007: One lot of 14,500 S.QNTR shares Heard: 145mn from mircea_popescu. Ending: 2018-11-15 16:25:23.664854 UTC (95 hours 22 mins)
00:04 mircea_popescu BingoBoingo dja even have a eulora acct ?
00:04 BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: I do not yet. Last I looked into trying eulora the Nvidia 'cg' binary dependency was blocking
00:04 mircea_popescu so how are you going to collect lol
00:07 BingoBoingo Pray the auction winner is willing to settle in BTC, or see if Eulora has a text client. In the worst case locally source or junkyard wars a Eulorable machine.
00:09 mircea_popescu aite.
00:12 BingoBoingo It's an experiment. I'd rather test auctionbot on something other than Pizarro criticals, and if it turns out there's substantial bidder interest in S.QNTR maybe it baits some more submissions from The Lordship and the honorable L2.
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00:54 mircea_popescu word.
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01:33 ben_vulpes BingoBoingo: do you have a provisional statement for october?
01:35 BingoBoingo ben_vulpes: Here's where I was before the blocking cash account issue emerged http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/SkdEN/?raw=true
01:35 ben_vulpes ah it's in the shared notes, i see.
01:36 ben_vulpes viewport was way down in the ledgers.
01:36 BingoBoingo Kinda why I'm excited about breaking down and killing the legacy notes file
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01:37 BingoBoingo The thing got unnavigable fast
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02:09 ben_vulpes asciilifeform: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/dQWPC/?raw=true
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02:14 ben_vulpes asciilifeform: after i find these two roots, i would gladly serve and spreadsheetize this into the pizarro mysql/mp-wp
02:15 * ben_vulpes bbl
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03:41 bvt !!v 239ACABD3C860AC0B49ACB3A0A3E941EF260C91E3A89ED0F9CAA218226643CA1
03:41 deedbot bvt paid BingoBoingo invoice 2
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03:59 bvt trinque: would it be possible to add my blog to deedbot RSS feed? http://bvt-trace.net/feed/ should work.
03:59 bvt meanwhile, http://bvt-trace.net/2018/11/gnat2017-gcc-breaks-smg_comms-mpi-extern-inline-function-issues/
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04:30 diana_coman bvt, that is a known issue with gcc version really
04:32 diana_coman anyway, trinque, would you add bvt's blog to deedbot's feed please?
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06:11 diana_coman bvt, http://bvt-trace.net/2018/11/gnat2017-gcc-breaks-smg_comms-mpi-extern-inline-function-issues/comment-page-1/#comment-4
06:15 diana_coman and ugh, bvt , your wp ate part of my comment! there was more between "used by gcc 4.9" and " they want. " wtf
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06:21 diana_coman bvt, a recovered full version of the comment: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/d9iWn/?raw=true
06:22 diana_coman I suppose it's the gcc >4.9 that made it eat up the whole part as "html"
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07:10 bvt diana_coman: ah, i see. if the c89 vs c99 is the issue, than this vpatch takes the wrong approach, and something along the lines of http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/o7yc9/?raw=true would work better
07:10 diana_coman bvt, yes
07:10 bvt i'll check wtf is wrong with the comments system
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07:13 bvt also, i think that pushing gcc-6 patches to frozen system (mpi) defeats the purpose of the standard republican compiler, so the post and vpatch is more of
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07:13 bvt report kind
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08:19 diana_coman aha; in any case, it's better written there so next person stumbling into this precise issue can be pointed at it and not waste any time at all
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08:53 diana_coman !Xbid 1007 150mn
08:53 auctionbot Sell order # 1007: One lot of 14,500 S.QNTR shares Heard: 150mn from diana_coman outbidding mircea_popescu. Ending: 2018-11-15 16:25:23.664854 UTC (86 hours 31 mins)
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09:09 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2018-11-12#1871431 << oh hey
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09:09 a111 Logged on 2018-11-12 07:09 ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/dQWPC/?raw=true
09:10 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2018-11-12#1871437 >> << http://btcbase.org/log/2018-03-28#1790119
09:10 a111 Logged on 2018-11-12 08:59 bvt: meanwhile, http://bvt-trace.net/2018/11/gnat2017-gcc-breaks-smg_comms-mpi-extern-inline-function-issues/
09:10 a111 Logged on 2018-03-28 20:02 phf: this gnulib solution actually wants you to define FOO_INLINE, which is set to "inline" when defined, and "extern inline" when used, so you can't even avoid the #define hackery with "extern inline". "Other non-C99 compilers use static inline so they suffer from code bloat, but they are not mainline platforms and will die out eventually."
09:11 asciilifeform oh hm diana_coman already noted
09:14 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2018-11-12#1871443 << inbandism ftw!11
09:14 a111 Logged on 2018-11-12 11:22 diana_coman: I suppose it's the gcc >4.9 that made it eat up the whole part as "html"
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10:01 trinque http://btcbase.org/log/2018-11-12#1871439 << certainly
10:01 a111 Logged on 2018-11-12 09:32 diana_coman: anyway, trinque, would you add bvt's blog to deedbot's feed please?
10:01 diana_coman thanks!
10:02 deedbot http://bvt-trace.net/2018/10/instead-of-hello-world-fg-tests/ << bvt's backtrace - Instead of Hello World: FG Tests
10:02 deedbot http://bvt-trace.net/2018/10/vpatch-replacing-mktemp3/ << bvt's backtrace - Vpatch: Replacing mktemp(3)
10:02 deedbot http://bvt-trace.net/2018/10/vpatch-replacing-mktemp3-take-two/ << bvt's backtrace - Vpatch: replacing mktemp(3) (no /tmp)
10:02 deedbot http://bvt-trace.net/2018/10/linux-portability-part-1-exploring-musl-architecture-specific-headers/ << bvt's backtrace - Linux Portability, Part 1: Exploring musl Architecture-Specific Headers
10:02 deedbot http://bvt-trace.net/2018/10/linux-portability-part-2-exploring-musl-ifdefs-or-define-pdp_endian-3412/ << bvt's backtrace - Linux Portability, Part 2: Exploring musl #ifdefs, or #define PDP_ENDIAN 3412
10:02 deedbot http://bvt-trace.net/2018/11/linux-portability-part-3-summary/ << bvt's backtrace - Linux Portability, Part 3: Summary
10:02 deedbot http://bvt-trace.net/2018/11/base64-genesis/ << bvt's backtrace - Base64: Genesis.
10:02 deedbot http://bvt-trace.net/2018/11/gnat2017-gcc-breaks-smg_comms-mpi-extern-inline-function-issues/ << bvt's backtrace - GNAT2017 GCC breaks SMG_Comms MPI: extern inline function issues.
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10:36 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2018-11-11#1870872 << i expect you do, specifically btc to ff conversions etc ?
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10:36 a111 Logged on 2018-11-11 00:36 BingoBoingo: And on this note at the end of the month girl will be visiting her Tía in Argentina. Anyone have shopping list items they want investigated?
10:39 mircea_popescu and speaking of http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-30#1867509 : perhaps this is just the ticket mod6 , take a few days / a week off whatever, ~BY YOURSELF~. so you can fucking think. go hang out with BingoBoingo , fuck some latino whores, get drunk once or twice... these are the mainstay "i'm in a paper bag how do i get out" methods since time immemorial for a fucking reason.
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10:39 a111 Logged on 2018-10-30 02:34 BingoBoingo: Also December 7, 8, and 9th will be the expocannabis Uruguay. I plan on going there in a recon capacity, if anyone else is looking for a very Uruguay reason to visit Uruguay, that would be the weekend to come on down.
10:39 mircea_popescu life's more than a rat race. at least for me.
10:39 mircea_popescu men*
10:42 mircea_popescu bvt http://bvt-trace.net/2018/11/gnat2017-gcc-breaks-smg_comms-mpi-extern-inline-function-issues/#selection-37.321-37.374 << basically, some lines got arbitrarily truncated and everything went to shit subsequently ?
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10:42 mircea_popescu also, if you're going to overwrite your margins why have them.
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10:44 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2018-11-12#1871441 / http://btcbase.org/log/2018-11-12#1871446 << did you have a single angle bracket at the point of eating ? because if you did, it ate the ~rest~ of the comment as an unclosed html tag. which, if you think about it, it has to do, in order to be able to process html tags in comments at all.
10:44 a111 Logged on 2018-11-12 11:15 diana_coman: and ugh, bvt , your wp ate part of my comment! there was more between "used by gcc 4.9" and " they want. " wtf
10:44 a111 Logged on 2018-11-12 12:10 bvt: i'll check wtf is wrong with the comments system
10:44 mircea_popescu known "bug" of sorts, in the sense of frustrating behaviour, but no known way to fix other than "do not use single angle brackets in text" / "do not use magic letters with metasyntactic meanings". as html already fucked the pig on the latter score...
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10:46 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: i wondered in the past why blog comment boxes never come with 'post as txt' / 'post as htm' buttons
10:46 mircea_popescu this actually would be a fine feature to have.
10:47 mircea_popescu alternatively "auto-process as text comments that don't have any > in them", but then it still bites as you could have a link and a log-style << and so on.
10:47 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2018-11-12#1871477 << gnat dun truncate lines. he gets the 'too long' warning because he cribbed my gpr config
10:47 a111 Logged on 2018-11-12 15:42 mircea_popescu: bvt http://bvt-trace.net/2018/11/gnat2017-gcc-breaks-smg_comms-mpi-extern-inline-function-issues/#selection-37.321-37.374 << basically, some lines got arbitrarily truncated and everything went to shit subsequently ?
10:47 asciilifeform it turns >80col ln into a warning, does naught else.
10:47 mircea_popescu asciilifeform meanwhile saw he fixed by "inline" etc, so yeah.\
10:47 asciilifeform aha but entirely separate boojum.
10:47 asciilifeform gcc5ism.
10:48 mircea_popescu aha.
10:48 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2018-11-12#1871447 << an ada mpi, however, would be a most interesting item.
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10:48 a111 Logged on 2018-11-12 12:13 bvt: also, i think that pushing gcc-6 patches to frozen system (mpi) defeats the purpose of the standard republican compiler, so the post and vpatch is more of
10:49 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: what exactly is an 'ada mpi' ? ( i.e. i assume it's diff from what i'm baking )
10:50 asciilifeform ... bignum with variable widths / heapistic alloc, built 100% for speed ?
10:50 mircea_popescu no, it'd be the same thing.
10:50 asciilifeform there's imho a niche for the above -- items like phuctor
10:50 mircea_popescu he seemed eager to try his teeth on adult brooms ?
10:50 asciilifeform ( but imho oughta be in asm, if anyone attempts )
10:50 mircea_popescu im trying to help along.
10:50 asciilifeform lolk
10:54 asciilifeform i'll add , tho, that for MB-sized integers, my 20th c algos are not optimal, you'd want e.g. schoenhage-strassen, fft, etc
11:02 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2018-11-12#1871482 << i find it interesting that uniturdism is ubiquitous, but html etc is still stuck poaching perfectly ordinary 'telex' characters (i.e. found on keyboard) as 'magic' values
11:02 a111 Logged on 2018-11-12 15:44 mircea_popescu: known "bug" of sorts, in the sense of frustrating behaviour, but no known way to fix other than "do not use single angle brackets in text" / "do not use magic letters with metasyntactic meanings". as html already fucked the pig on the latter score...
11:03 asciilifeform why not use that 8th bit of the byte for something actually constructive...
11:03 asciilifeform but no, gotta be hiroglyphs?
11:03 asciilifeform *hieroglyphs
11:05 asciilifeform or fughet even 8th bit, there's 32 control chars in ascii ! and space, nl, tab, del, ff, and null, account for only 6 !
11:06 asciilifeform well, + cr; 7
11:06 asciilifeform this leaves 25 that ~nobody uses for anyffing !
11:07 asciilifeform and yes i know 'why' they aint used : 'but oh oh, what if someone is on a SLIP modem!11'
11:07 asciilifeform imho still nuttery, and tremendous waste.
11:08 asciilifeform they were meant to be terminal and link control chars. i.e. exactly analogous to what html abuses < , >, &, for
11:09 asciilifeform http://jkorpela.fi/chars/c0.html << likbez re orig ascii controls.
11:11 asciilifeform power co.'s calculate resistive losses on high voltage lines, but for some peculiar reason no one (afaik) ever tallies up the real-life cost of this idjicy.
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11:36 mircea_popescu the entire us "tech" industry is built out of unaccounting and malacounting.
11:36 mircea_popescu these two sum to ~99.99999% of "modern progress and democracy"
11:37 asciilifeform picture if an accountant were to walk into an ameri-board with tally of the ~actual~ cost of running winblowz.
11:37 mircea_popescu whereas power lines actually invented by zee germans, by which term we denote the prussians, by which term we denote the "militarist" tendency which the mutinous kiel sailor and "broad elements" of the weimar republic "agreed with the consensus" should "have no place in germany".
11:38 mircea_popescu this is what "militarism" fucking is, entire : keep your books straight OR ELSE!
11:39 asciilifeform lol i thought it was 'keep boots shined or else'
11:39 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-08#1811365 << item.
11:39 a111 Logged on 2018-05-08 17:55 mircea_popescu: look it up, hermann aron fellow, was a sort of german heaviside
11:40 mircea_popescu asciilifeform all things. see ? that's the fucking point. from boots to "want of a nail" to "keep your household in order and the women in line and the children doing their fucking work" and so on. all the fucking way.
11:40 asciilifeform well yes, notice asciilifeform did not say ' eh shined boots, who needs'em '
11:41 mircea_popescu and you'll marry and live your life out with who the fuck we choose cuz you're too stupid to choose, and you'll go into the line we choose because idem, and you'll love who the fuck and what the fuck you're supposed to, not "feel like". because the "feel like" is entirely "going by your gut", and the problem with guts is that they're fulla shit.
11:41 mircea_popescu i notice, i notice.
11:42 mircea_popescu picture an accountant walking into room with "here, by any metric you choose to measure it, arranged marriages slightly more successful than ''free choice'' marriages" data.
11:42 mircea_popescu there is A LOT of "nyahnyahnyah" buried at the root of pantsuit tree.
11:42 asciilifeform this one's somehow not a mystery to good 80+% of globe
11:42 mircea_popescu "they just haven't heard the good word yet" dontchaknow.
11:43 mircea_popescu also, there's a bum outside your residence somewhere, who similarily thinks, "alf has not yet heard the good word, will soon be a bum too".
11:43 mircea_popescu he's right, after a fashion, the way that place's going...
11:44 mircea_popescu the necessary correlate of "we'll be rich and powerful with '''service industry''' ie doing each other's laundry" is "we'll be rich and powerful with '''service industry''' ie dancing in the street for nickles".
11:44 mircea_popescu service is service amirite.
11:44 asciilifeform even on asciilifeform's home planet, good chunk of marriages were 'soft-arranged' -- i.e. 'comrade colonel, you have a bachelor son, i have a ripe daughter' 'comrade lt colonel, let's box'em in a room, wainot'
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11:44 mircea_popescu ha. you know they tried this on me, kinda ?
11:44 mircea_popescu did not take. but yes.
11:45 asciilifeform of course they'd try
11:45 asciilifeform we're from neighbouring, if you will, home planets.
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11:45 mircea_popescu rather.
11:46 asciilifeform fwiw asciilifeform's progenitors were matched up via the above algo
11:46 mircea_popescu seems to have worked out ok.
11:46 asciilifeform certainly if compared to 'freechoice'landia folx.
11:47 mircea_popescu amusingly, ballas sorta-kinda sees parts of the issue ("it is not that i am interested, i perceive it is important and therefore i force myself to be interested" ), but vehehehery safely limited to things like "reading the economist" and such.
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12:43 diana_coman http://btcbase.org/log/2018-11-12#1871477 - that was just another rsa key in the tests; meanwhile fixed once and for all, properly i.e. http://ossasepia.com/2018/11/04/smg-comms-chapter-6-packing-and-unpacking-rsa/comment-page-1/#comment-4457
12:43 a111 Logged on 2018-11-12 15:42 mircea_popescu: bvt http://bvt-trace.net/2018/11/gnat2017-gcc-breaks-smg_comms-mpi-extern-inline-function-issues/#selection-37.321-37.374 << basically, some lines got arbitrarily truncated and everything went to shit subsequently ?
12:43 mircea_popescu a ok
12:44 mircea_popescu meanwhile in other perhaps-contentious-yet-barely-relevant obscura, http://trilema.com/2015/the-fetlife-meatlist-volume-v/#comment-127007
12:44 mircea_popescu (really, just a disguised attempt to show off my latest header. ain't that shit insane ?)
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13:07 asciilifeform diana_coman: neato
13:07 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: a+++ headerface
13:07 asciilifeform where is the comicbook wall in the bg ?
13:11 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: quite unrelatedly, what's your recommended formula for 'manifest' in keccak regrinds ? ( i.e. to retrofit manifest to ancient stuff, or only to latest v cut of it ? and with current blockheight, or to somehow estimate the one at the time of original publication ? )
13:11 * asciilifeform in the process of keccakizing ffa, hence practical q
13:13 asciilifeform originally i was gonna simply regrind ( by running through new vdiff ) ch1-11, and invite reader to hand-diff if he likes and see that only hashes have changed. but then noticed that the new vdiff also processes files in different order, so this won't give clean 'only hashes' diff. so thinking, may as well retrofit manifest to each of ch1-11
13:16 phf asciilifeform: yeah, unfortunately, we even had a thread about it. gnu diff does sort using locale, where's vdiff does strict ascii collation
13:16 asciilifeform phf: right
13:16 asciilifeform it's gnudiff that spewed ~random order.
13:17 phf i think locale based collation for en or us or whatever puts some punctuation marks into odd positions. "gratuitous" i believe is the word, that is we couldn't figure out the sense behind it
13:17 asciilifeform there aint any real sense behind the 'locale' nonsense imho
13:18 asciilifeform i expect it was a concession to the french or some other barbarian tribe
13:18 asciilifeform 'here in sheepfuckistan, q goes before z' or somesuch
13:18 asciilifeform lol, err, z/q
13:18 asciilifeform whichever
13:19 asciilifeform ( observe, the WHOLE fucking problem ascii standard was meant to solve, quietly got 'reopened' by the unitards )
13:20 asciilifeform imho if the franks, or the visigoths, want diff sorting order when alphabetizing, they oughta have proclaimed a FSCII and VGSCII etc
13:20 asciilifeform but no, somehow gotta barnacle on orig.
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14:01 mircea_popescu i dunno, artists studio whatever.
14:02 mircea_popescu asciilifeform imo manifest ~should~ be historically accurate.
14:03 mircea_popescu and yes, i recall the "what is alphabetic order" wtf
14:03 asciilifeform imho also. the q is what's the most accurate , given that orig had no manifest
14:04 asciilifeform currently looking into how diana_coman did it
14:04 mircea_popescu "This manifest created on x to comply with prevailing standards ; original had no such thing." fir instance ?
14:04 asciilifeform right. but i'm regrinding ch1-11 into keccak. ought manifest only to live in ch12 ( 11 technically had one, but it was adhoc, and not conformant to current formulation ) ? or in all ch1-11
14:16 diana_coman asciilifeform, http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-06#1858798
14:16 a111 Logged on 2018-10-06 14:31 diana_coman: I'll soon do the regrind of eucrypt to move it on to keccak hashes; my plan is to keep the patches precisely as they are otherwise (i.e. including NO manifest until I actually added it at the end); the way I see it, it's just a swap-in-place of one hash for another; if anyone sees this sort of thing differently - since I'm hmmm,first to regrind a big project? - yell now !
14:16 asciilifeform ty diana_coman
14:24 mircea_popescu asciilifeform imo just add it with ch12
14:24 asciilifeform aite
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15:24 bvt trinque: thanks!
15:24 bvt diana_coman: i have updated the article with links to the logs. i confirm that using -std=gnu89 fixes the issue. -std=c89 -- does not.
15:24 bvt i have also restored your comment in it's sane form. separating the < and > with spaces (s#<# < #) avoids html detection, though adapting one's habits to wp behavior is definitely not a solution.
15:25 bvt http://btcbase.org/log/2018-11-12#1871478 << fixing/replacing the theme is on my todo list, however i still haven't fixed all the problems in wp-admin (png/jpg vs svg), so work on the theme will have to wait a bit.
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15:25 a111 Logged on 2018-11-12 15:42 mircea_popescu: also, if you're going to overwrite your margins why have them.
15:26 BingoBoingo http://btcbase.org/log/2018-11-12#1871471 << I do indeed have a list
15:26 a111 Logged on 2018-11-12 15:36 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-11-11#1870872 << i expect you do, specifically btc to ff conversions etc ?
15:27 bvt http://btcbase.org/log/2018-11-12#1871493 << first, i'd like to do a linux syscall ada tree (focusing on 4 syscalls first: openat,close,mmap,stat) for aarch64 and intel arches.
15:27 a111 Logged on 2018-11-12 15:48 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-11-12#1871447 << an ada mpi, however, would be a most interesting item.
15:28 bvt though i have nothing against work on bignum multiplication and modexp -- but as i see it, it could be a side branch of ffa. ffa already provides a solid foundation for such algorithm exploration.
15:30 * BingoBoingo woke up this morning to a sad home internet connection to troubleshoot
15:37 mircea_popescu bvt that works.
15:42 diana_coman bvt, that sounds good!
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16:48 asciilifeform !Q later tell phf http://btcbase.org/patches/v98#L74 leads to http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/WhT97/?raw=true on (apparently all) boxes containing asciilifeform's pubkey
16:48 lobbesbot asciilifeform: The operation succeeded.
16:50 asciilifeform !Q later tell phf for that matter, it does same thing! with yours! pray tell how didja even test the v98 thing, on what.
16:50 lobbesbot asciilifeform: The operation succeeded.
16:51 asciilifeform tho i'm beginning to suspect the culprit :
16:53 asciilifeform i dun have any cuntoo boxes here yet. all of my dev machines run vintage gentoo, where the gpg that python-gnupg sees is gpg2 (cuz idjit portage pulled it in, long ago). asciilifeform's actual pgp-ing happens on diff machine, naturally, with 1.4.10 . but apparently phf's hack for subkeyism breaks the thing in this combo.
16:54 asciilifeform can somebody plz confirm that v98 ( as it appears in http://barksinthewind.com/2018/vpy-updated-for-vtools/ ) actually worked somewhere ?
16:54 bvt mircea_popescu: unfortunately i can't provide a timeline for the syscalls yet: between 19.11. and 07.12. i will have time for only very minor work, following logs, etc.
16:54 bvt if i manage to do something usable this weekend, i'll genesis that, otherwise i'll make an empty genesis and just outline the work i expect.
16:55 bvt asciilifeform: is remerging portage with USE=-rsync-verify an option? you can downgrade to gpg1 afterwards
16:55 asciilifeform ( alternatively, does anybody know how to control the gpg binary that python-gnupg sees ? )
16:55 asciilifeform bvt: i am EXTREMELY reluctant to touch any of the portage knobs, these boxes are 'dried in amber' .
16:56 asciilifeform what i'd like is a pill that is guaranteed not to break ANYTHING else.
16:56 mircea_popescu bvt that's fine.
16:56 phf asciilifeform: i suppose next patch would be to replace gnupg with explicit shell callouts. that python gnupg thing is entirely opaque
16:56 lobbesbot phf: Sent 8 minutes ago: <asciilifeform> http://btcbase.org/patches/v98#L74 leads to http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/WhT97/?raw=true on (apparently all) boxes containing asciilifeform's pubkey
16:56 lobbesbot phf: Sent 5 minutes ago: <asciilifeform> for that matter, it does same thing! with yours! pray tell how didja even test the v98 thing, on what.
16:57 asciilifeform phf: it will be even gnarlier, would have to parse the output somehow and essentially recreate all of python-gnupg ( wanna ? )
16:57 phf asciilifeform: all the other kids do it!
16:58 asciilifeform lol
16:58 phf asciilifeform: everything i test, i test on Linux gravity 4.4.138-1-ARCH #1 SMP PREEMPT Tue Jun 26 21:26:35 MDT 2018 aarch64 GNU/Linux, which is a press of your rk pre-cuntoo
16:58 asciilifeform phf: well that aint what i have here.
16:58 asciilifeform and imho it is pretty sad that a vtron even sees ~anything~ 'systemwide'.
16:58 asciilifeform really oughta be entirely homedir-local.
16:59 asciilifeform and yes it was originally my kludge. but the diff is, mine worked...
16:59 asciilifeform ( on , afaik, all known kochian gpg )
16:59 mircea_popescu very much should be homedir local.
17:00 phf asciilifeform: yours doesn't have any notion of subkeys, so i'm not entirely sure "how" it worked.
17:00 asciilifeform it worked!!
17:00 phf well, that's a useful conversation.
17:00 mircea_popescu this conversation...
17:01 asciilifeform loox like i'ma have to strip out the subkey garbage, and regenesis, 'v98-that-actually-worx'. unless phf has better idea.
17:01 mircea_popescu in more useful news : gpg = gnupg.GPG(binary='path')
17:01 * asciilifeform goes to try mircea_popescu's tip
17:02 mircea_popescu there's also a homedir for the keyring
17:02 asciilifeform TypeError: __init__() got an unexpected keyword argument 'binary
17:02 asciilifeform '
17:02 asciilifeform apparently not in my ver, grr
17:03 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: v.py never used keyring
17:03 asciilifeform it always baked a tmp to satisfy gpg's keyring idjicy and nuked it after
17:03 phf asciilifeform: try gpgbinary
17:03 mircea_popescu asciilifeform no but how do you call it ? import gnupg ? and then gpg = ?
17:04 asciilifeform phf: worx -- in the sense that no above eggog : but same result as previously, http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/wmR7H/?raw=true
17:04 asciilifeform so apparently gpg2ism is not the culprit
17:06 * asciilifeform went to strace to find what gpg binary it actually invokes, and oddly enuff no mentions of EITHER in strace output...
17:06 phf asciilifeform: what does your gnupg.__version__ return?
17:07 asciilifeform 0.3.2
17:07 phf mine is 0.4.1
17:08 asciilifeform ok...
17:08 phf well, time to vpatch gnupg.py
17:08 asciilifeform my orig worked with 0.3.2 ( which is poured into cement and i have no intention to 'upgrade' wtf lol )
17:08 asciilifeform phf: can you plz remind me why you changed that routine to begin with ?
17:09 phf asciilifeform: because that routine doesn't work with version 0.4.1, it only picks up primary keys
17:10 asciilifeform ugh
17:11 asciilifeform i can't think of anyffing to do but a) make flensed version of phf's that actually worx here, i have NO intention of breaking my legacy toolchain in which i still have 90000 unconverted private patches or b) bake an e.g. if gpg.__version__ = phf : ... else .... thing
17:13 phf asciilifeform: you can also calm the fuck down, and post your version of gnupg, version 0.3.2, unsigned is fine, and we can figure out what the issue is. i'll look at the diff and see if 0.3.2 can be added to v.py as another file
17:13 asciilifeform phf: i dun want to glom python-gnupg into vtron tho!
17:13 asciilifeform it'd be ugly as sin
17:13 asciilifeform and 10xuple its mass
17:14 phf because it is already 10xuple its mass! we are just pretending like it's not
17:14 phf "i have a copy of gnupg that works, and everyone that's using anything else is an idiot" is not much a strategy
17:14 asciilifeform by that token it's 3GB cuz that's how much stripped gentoo weighs, lol
17:14 phf correct.
17:16 asciilifeform it's nonsense tho.
17:16 asciilifeform i wrote ~10kb proggy, not 3GB.
17:16 asciilifeform i will not be answerable for a 3GB ball of shit, there aint even 1% of the necessary hrs to read it, left in my lifespan
17:17 asciilifeform so loox like i'll be going with button 'a' .
17:17 phf asciilifeform: i'm surprised at this entirely un-vtronic argument. your "10kb proggy" brings in a magic dependency, that nobody else has except for you
17:17 asciilifeform really, nobody ? why is it that nobody until phf's v98 felt inclined to change the routine, then ?
17:18 asciilifeform with all respect to phf -- it seems to me that he's the one with the nonstandard envir
17:19 phf that's accidental. most people have been running mod6's v.pl, they also might've pulled the dependency back when v.py came out, of various __version__'s closer to the one you have, but not necessarily exact. i think your attachment to your code clouds your judgment!
17:20 asciilifeform phf: fwiw my orig v.py is pretty sad in several wellknown ways -- i'm not particularly attached to it, would happily take mod6's, if there were (did i miss??) a ver of it patched to work in keccak
17:21 asciilifeform i was able to regrind ffa today, using phf's vdiff, but atm cannot yet press and confirm that it actually presses to same thing as the classical
17:21 phf i've narrated how to make v.pl work with keccak, i think i even posted an unsigned patch for mod6, butman is busy
17:21 phf *but man
17:22 asciilifeform seems like the closest thing to a working keccak-vtron currently is phf's v98 tho
17:22 mircea_popescu asciilifeform you seriously can't go after people who happen to not share your ~unpublished~ personal pre-chain.
17:22 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: atm i'm not even in a place where i can say who's what is buggy
17:22 asciilifeform still remains to be seen
17:23 mircea_popescu if it were a case of "phf why the fuck are you using non-v or non-tmsr or non-standard or non-something" it'd have legs. as it is it's "phf why didn't you intuit what's in the magic box under my bed" ?
17:23 asciilifeform no i get it
17:23 asciilifeform but gotta find a pill, cuz right nao wheels turning in the mud
17:23 mircea_popescu right.
17:23 phf i have to excuse myself midway through conversation, but will chime in later
17:24 asciilifeform ( i need specifically both vtrons to work on these boxen , with no systemwide modifications )
17:24 asciilifeform phf: np
17:24 phf asciilifeform: well post your gnupg.py and i will at the very least look at the diff between the two. maybe their subkey strategy has changed
17:25 mircea_popescu we gotta get rid of this whole "subkey" bs and kock-shitsandwich bs along with it.
17:25 mircea_popescu fuck you stallman, your "gnu" is as meaningful as "made in america"
17:25 asciilifeform http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/UOTkS/?raw=true
17:26 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: funnily enuff happens to be exactly what asciilifeform's doing
17:26 mircea_popescu no, i know. and unsurprising enough, also.
17:26 asciilifeform ( and currently stepping on erry possible gnu.nail )
17:28 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: stallman has plenty to answer for, but i dunno what he has to do specifically with koch's gpg
17:28 mircea_popescu why's it called "gnu" pg ?
17:28 asciilifeform i'll be happy to see'em sitting on neighbouring stakes tho
17:29 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: presumably cuz koch stuck a gpl sticker on it
17:29 mircea_popescu what, specifically, is the tag supposed to convey ? cuz it sure as fuck doesn't seem to be "we'll randomly change abis because why the fuck not, windowns power!"
17:29 mircea_popescu asciilifeform hence the "made in america" comment. the america of africa, as much an america as any other america rite.
17:29 asciilifeform that's yet a third derp, whoever wrote python-gnupg
17:29 asciilifeform ( presently dun look like it's a gpg1-vs-2-ism )
17:33 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: entire unixlike ecosystem has never afaik been anyffing other than africa.
17:33 asciilifeform not since leaving at&t cellars at any rate
17:34 asciilifeform it's exactly an africa, complete with tsetse fly.
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21:50 deedbot http://blog.lobbesblog.com/2018/11/conveyor-outlook-now-to-feb-2019/ << lobbesblog - Conveyor Outlook: Now to Feb 2019
22:02 * lobbes btw is finding esthlos' summaries to be very helpful in finding threads at times
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22:17 mircea_popescu that's pretty cool...
22:21 BingoBoingo ty lobbes
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