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09:53 asciilifeform meanwhile, in other shoelace-and-gum copies of tmsr artifacts, http://edgecase.net/pages/how_to_buy_edgecase_credits << d00d with a kinda blog, tried to copy mircea_popescu's old paid-articles scheme (spoiler : dunwork) -- ( http://edgecase.net has coupla possibly-interesting items, compiler-wranglings, translations of old lit, btc tx likbez of sorts, etc )
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09:54 asciilifeform curious whether anybody knows him. or is 'wolf man'.
09:56 asciilifeform dredged up d00d via script that digs for refs to trb in heathendom. turns out, he hosts mirror of trb patches ( they dun seem to be discussed in articles tho, near as i can see )
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10:29 * mod6 looks
10:37 mod6 !!reputation stjohn_piano
10:37 deedbot http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/Yq9X1/?raw=true
10:40 mod6 warez the mirror at? agree, didn't see the links to it in articles. bunch of MP & trilema quotes tho.
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10:55 asciilifeform mod6: http://edgecase.net/articles/2017-11-25_edgecase_datafeed_article_21_2017-11-25_stjohn_piano_compiling_bitcoind_trb_054_on_debian_711/rotor.tar.gz.asc , http://edgecase.net/articles/2017-11-25_edgecase_datafeed_article_21_2017-11-25_stjohn_piano_compiling_bitcoind_trb_054_on_debian_711/programmable-versionstring.vpatch , buncha others
10:56 mod6 ah thx asciilifeform
10:57 asciilifeform mod6: d00d doesn't seem to have anything of substance written re subj tho.
11:03 * asciilifeform bbl--meat
11:08 mod6 ok sooo he did get a trb built from the guide and get it running. not sure why he never stopped in here. and ya, looks like he just grabbed everything and mirrored it on his site.
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11:14 mod6 guy did an "OFFLINE" build, took some pretty decent notes too. nb.
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11:52 mircea_popescu to continue for no apparent reasons the http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-29#1830805 discussion : romanian has a conjunctive pluperfect with role of imperative ("de dimineata ne-au dat omleta dar eu am citit ziarul si acum mi-e foame" "~sa fi mincat~ atunci." ie in the morning they put out omelette but i was reading the newspaper and now im hungry -- you should have eaten then
11:52 a111 Logged on 2018-06-29 18:26 mircea_popescu: ma dusei la mindra-n sura si-i copsei o tochitura ?
11:53 mircea_popescu AS WELL AS a ~homonymous~ conjunctive pluperfect with conditional-optative role, "sa fi stiut de dimineata, mincam" ie had i known then, i would have.
11:54 mircea_popescu in fact, it's not clear to me the verbal tensions of romanian were ~EVER~ ennumerated.
11:55 mircea_popescu language was hastily (and ineptly) codified late 19th century with union, then there were two major wars (and two minor ones romania was a major actor in) and then 50 years of stalinist freeze during which no serious scholarship was produced. and hence they're too stupid and too lazy to even make a proper dictionary. so actually, romanian grammar still awaits its hero.
11:55 mircea_popescu asciilifeform afaik wolfman
12:06 mircea_popescu how managed "bunch of MP & trilema quotes tho" with no pingbacks is anyone's guess.
12:09 mod6 yeah, you'd think someone would have run into it before now.
12:12 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2018-08-17#1842477 << i gotta invoke mircea_popescu's oxcart here -- http://btcbase.org/log/2018-07-17#1835417
12:12 a111 Logged on 2018-08-17 15:08 mod6: ok sooo he did get a trb built from the guide and get it running. not sure why he never stopped in here. and ya, looks like he just grabbed everything and mirrored it on his site.
12:12 a111 Logged on 2018-07-17 02:42 asciilifeform: 'they cloink a coupla with the sledgehammer so as to break down the find into shards the size they can fit in a pocket, after which they stick it on their oxcart'
12:14 mircea_popescu can't believe it's a 2018 quote, that, seeing how it actually traces to a 2011 article ( http://trilema.com/2011/romanul-si-marea/#selection-67.418-67.537 )
12:15 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: pretty sure it got replayed coupla times b/w '11 and nao
12:15 mircea_popescu tru
12:16 mod6 asciilifeform: ah, yea, oxcart
12:17 mod6 anyway, that stuff is stale now he has posted since I've now update the vtree. would have been good if he'd have only linked thebitcoin.foundation, instead of making heathen copies of his own. he even renamed the 'V' files.
12:22 mircea_popescu mod6 in which vein, http://trilema.com/2014/the-serious-ipo-a-moment-in-the-life-and-times-of-forum-investing/ "would have been good if retard had a gf"
12:24 mod6 lol
12:25 mircea_popescu ikr.
12:26 BingoBoingo !!pay mod6 0.1
12:26 deedbot Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/Y8Olp/?raw=true
12:26 BingoBoingo !!v 5BF6A87AE582D0B8C13E2BEAF64F72D661FA914EA2A1226725B36A30CCC9E3DF
12:26 deedbot BingoBoingo paid mod6 0.1
12:27 mod6 o7
12:27 mod6 Thank you, Sir!
12:27 mod6 !!ledger
12:27 deedbot http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/ft51Q/?raw=true
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12:45 asciilifeform mod6: hey, at least wolf d00d didn't go to whatevercon in vegas and present trb as own phd work or whatnot
12:46 asciilifeform ( i expect at some point, even this )
12:47 mircea_popescu this is a distinction with a difference ?
12:47 mircea_popescu nobody reads obscure blog or listens in obscure con.
12:50 asciilifeform 'defcon' is approx as 'obscure' as nyt
12:51 asciilifeform it's the 'mecca' of the more or less entire techlamer planet
12:52 mircea_popescu i never went ; but based on my limited experience with the few cons i ever went to, years ago in a different life, literally nobody listens in.
12:53 mircea_popescu i ended up on the main floor a total of maybe twice, but in general you just meet people privately ; and in this particular context the teenaged bimbos desperate to "get started" were in the vast majority too ugly to meet the bar (which, back then, still existed, nobody paid uglies to fuck)
12:53 mircea_popescu and in the minority were picked up by the scouts anyway.
12:53 asciilifeform ~30k lamers, with, what, $5k tickets, and the entire 'journalism' set then spends next month printing nuffin but summaries of the talks
12:54 mircea_popescu which nobody ever read.
12:54 mircea_popescu and yes, i'd make the same exact argument if fellow "wrote book" which was then "new york times best seller list"
12:54 asciilifeform e.g. http://btcbase.org/log/2018-08-13#1841227
12:54 a111 Logged on 2018-08-13 16:54 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-08-13#1841194 << oh ye olde c3s huh. lulzy.
12:54 mircea_popescu because, also nobody ever cared.
12:55 deedbot http://qntra.net/2018/08/arrogance-and-shit-comms-system-kill-us-spies-in-china/ << Qntra - Arrogance And Shit Comms System Kill US Spies In China
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12:56 asciilifeform hey i dun go to mecca either, given as not being in the umma. but 'nobody goes to mecca' is a stretch imho
12:56 mircea_popescu omigerd, us had spies in china ?! ahahaha.
12:56 BingoBoingo HAD
12:57 mircea_popescu asciilifeform i guess. dun seem like any difference to me, write on blogspot, slideshow at conference, whatever. then again, entomology.
12:57 BingoBoingo Back in the stretch of history that spanned 10k BTC Pizza to Satoshi Dice IPO
12:57 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: s/manufactering/manufacturing
12:57 mircea_popescu BingoBoingo they're so fucking hysterical, these tards.
12:57 BingoBoingo asciilifeform: ty fxd
12:58 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: lulzy -- apparently cia forgot how to shortwave ?!
12:58 mircea_popescu BingoBoingo and do you see kerry registering a key and begging us to help ?
12:58 mircea_popescu idiots die dumb i guess.
12:58 BingoBoingo I see kerry getting old and dying impotent with his ketchup ho
12:59 BingoBoingo asciilifeform: No, see. This comms system was GREAT... against the pashtuns and maybe Baathists
13:00 asciilifeform i can picture, 'we're sending 100 spies to beijing, wake up the rot13 squad'
13:00 mircea_popescu you mean the people with the http://trilema.com/2013/the-danger-of-homebrew-crypto/ ?
13:01 BingoBoingo Anyways, Learning a lot about national govt values from seeing embassies. US has bleak river fort. Britain has country club. Romania has modest row house. Dominican Rupublic goes months without fixing their flag's attachment to pole.
13:01 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: brazil had best one
13:01 BingoBoingo Lebanon has proud flagpole far from Jew embassy. Jews have office in WTC.
13:02 BingoBoingo asciilifeform: Spain is rather impressive as well
13:02 asciilifeform brazilian embassy in BingoBoingostan, miniature gulag, three rolls of concertina wire, turrets, whole hog
13:02 BingoBoingo With parts on two blocks
13:02 BingoBoingo Spain is big like Brazil, but cleaner
13:04 BingoBoingo Ecuador has a sad hole across from the parrilla that used steak magic on ben_vulpes
13:04 BingoBoingo Japan has hilltop art project
13:07 BingoBoingo China's embassy is way out in Carrasco near the airport
13:09 mircea_popescu heh
13:09 mircea_popescu romania had a close relation with latam countries, uruguay, columbia, w/e, 30-50 years ago.
13:09 mircea_popescu these days, no trade, musty abandoned library scent everywhere
13:11 asciilifeform elsewhere in heathendom, https://archive.is/owcBE >> '10 users were responsible for 85 per cent of the links that the Coinhive service uses to mine' shitcoins etc
13:11 BingoBoingo Next time alf's over if he has time we might have to venture to the bookstores of abandoned library scent
13:11 BingoBoingo And the cemetary
13:12 BingoBoingo But not the ghetto cemetary, the big one
13:14 BingoBoingo Or Mocky whenever he makes the trip
13:15 Mocky what's interesting at the big cemetery?
13:16 BingoBoingo The things the do with the rocks
13:16 BingoBoingo Little houses, obelisks, etc
13:17 Mocky when I die, def want stone obelisk
13:18 BingoBoingo Right now I'm leaning towards just leaving a nice shipwreck
13:23 mircea_popescu Mocky latin america cemetery utterly worth visiting. very elegant, makes the inept puritan bs from the us shine in all its ridiculousness.
13:23 Mocky hmm, interesting
13:23 asciilifeform i've yet to see one that could top recoleta ( buenos aires ) and i dun expect to
13:26 mircea_popescu cr is the original "omfg check out this wonder" though. smaller, but imo better.
13:28 BingoBoingo The churches with the cartoon saviors also interesting
13:30 BingoBoingo http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/02/P1000248-e1518218404440-768x1024.jpg
13:30 mircea_popescu lol tru
13:32 BingoBoingo I imagine the process begins with classical style painting which are "restored" by coloring book graduates
13:32 mircea_popescu also local talent etc.
13:33 BingoBoingo The local talent is very time oriented thing. In the early 1900's Argentina and Uruguay seemed to have enough of it and then regression to the mean happened.
13:35 asciilifeform i'll admit to being still somewhat puzzled re ~why~ precisely argentina went 'from hero to zero' ( mircea_popescu described in some detail , the ~how~, but the 'why' remains puzzler )
13:35 BingoBoingo Then there's the wonder material cardboard
13:35 mircea_popescu asciilifeform http://trilema.com/2017/the-practical-costs-of-hallucinated-freedom/
13:35 mircea_popescu because they hallucinated freedoms they didn't have, therefore they went from hero to zero.
13:36 BingoBoingo That and the Admirald Graf Spee probably pulled into the wrong port on the Rio de la Plata
13:36 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: if we were having thread 300 y ago, could just as easily link to the fall of lucifer. it's a how, not a why
13:36 mircea_popescu what'd meet your definition of it being a "why" ?
13:36 asciilifeform ( very parallel legend, lucifer also , could say, 'thought he had choice' )
13:37 mircea_popescu ayup. it is very much the ur-story.
13:38 asciilifeform one possibly 'why', i suppose, is '1940s, critical mass of italian undermenschen, impossible to carry on functioning country', say
13:38 asciilifeform *unter
13:40 mircea_popescu how is this a why and the other a how ?
13:40 asciilifeform possibly my q is illposed, i'ma have to withdraw it and think moar.
13:41 BingoBoingo Joining WWII before Brasil picked a side would have given them a stressor of the sort they had been lacking
13:42 BingoBoingo Or they could hve beat up on Paraguay again
13:43 mircea_popescu insanely enough, they tried.
13:43 mircea_popescu in 1970s, buncha army officers rounded up all the adlais, beat the shit out of them, then shot anyone who complained.
13:44 mircea_popescu was 100% correct move, yet it went nowehere. perhaps lending credence to alf's theory re poor genetic stock ; perhaps rather related to how spanish original this movement copied (franco) ALSO went nowhere, principally because illiterate ; though here enters http://trilema.com/2013/a-very-unfair-perspective/#selection-193.0-193.406 ie, rhodesia wasn't as illiterate
13:44 BingoBoingo Uruguay tried as well, but they really needed a stressor from outside
13:44 mircea_popescu (not far behind tho, flat earth and all that).
13:45 mircea_popescu it's a complex problem, "why do peripheries fail to thrive". "why was hispania not gaul" etc
13:45 asciilifeform i was skeptic of 'italian theory' until went to BingoBoingostan and saw the zombies
13:45 asciilifeform then again could be red herring, perhaps drink made'em
13:46 mircea_popescu drink makes no one nothing. notice, bears.
13:46 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: q re peripheries is 'why didntcha folx build own paris'
13:46 asciilifeform what makes periphery shithole, stay shithole
13:47 mircea_popescu not for lack of trying, right ? barcelona has better cathedral than paris.
13:48 asciilifeform yea, seemingly even simpler but still unexplained puzzler, what nailed spain ?
13:49 deedbot http://qntra.net/2018/08/nebraska-government-overdoses-man-on-fentanyl/ << Qntra - Nebraska Government Overdoses Man On Fentanyl
13:50 BingoBoingo <asciilifeform> yea, seemingly even simpler but still unexplained puzzler, what nailed spain ? << I suspect post-empire hangover played a role
13:51 BingoBoingo They got fat and feminized like the Brits are going through now
13:51 mircea_popescu spain was ever fucked in the head. how did they manage to get the whole new world and end up the laughingstock they are...
13:51 BingoBoingo Like the Brits...
13:51 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: gotta admit, i've nfi wtf was wrong with good old sparky
13:51 mircea_popescu the brits "had" india&china in much less of a sense than spain had el dorado.
13:53 BingoBoingo Sure, the subcontinent doesn't really have a strong mestizo equivalent
13:56 BingoBoingo But it could have gotten to their heads just the same
13:58 mircea_popescu possibru.
13:59 BingoBoingo The victory bit in the brain flips and then the legions stop carrying their own shit, etc
14:00 mircea_popescu this may very well be it : there's a single bit in the bios, and the flip state of it decides.
14:00 mircea_popescu diana's notion of the locals was "whoa, they remind me a lot of romanians 10-15 yrars ago, when they had a little money and slowly getting a clue"
14:00 mircea_popescu it's true, but the locals have been this exact thing 15 y ago too , and 50, and will be in 50.
14:01 mircea_popescu romanians had this overpowering "we're the total shitheel losers of all time" going 1990 - 2005ish, and it helped them immensely.
14:01 mircea_popescu then they joined nato, which is no kind of victory, but the bit fucking flipped. and well...
14:03 BingoBoingo Well, NATO is a club for the terminally bit flipped
14:04 mircea_popescu just about yes.
14:04 mircea_popescu it is EXACTLY what it is, "the divine order of people who imagine they're too cool for assrape to happen to them".
14:07 asciilifeform hence 'nato reich'
14:07 asciilifeform 'thousand years!'
14:08 asciilifeform gott mit uns (tm)(r)
14:09 mircea_popescu "humility" as the xtian virtue, right, "love" as the harem slave's virtue, "do not fucking flip that bit"
14:09 asciilifeform 'bought house so big, finally i will never have to clean' or how did mircea_popescu put it in the old piece
14:09 mircea_popescu quite so.
14:22 mircea_popescu asciilifeform see, the explanation for spain per BingoBoingo 's bit would be... reconquista.
14:22 mircea_popescu they WON. and welll....
14:24 asciilifeform winning, apparently, pretty bad for one's health
14:24 BingoBoingo Sometimes you gotta eat a bit more Moorish dick before you can stop eating Moorish dick
14:25 mircea_popescu some winnings, at any rate. lottery winning ; god-given victories, etc. all poison.
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14:50 asciilifeform history offers very few 'deserved' victories tho
14:51 mircea_popescu not even deserved being the key i don'\t think.
14:51 mircea_popescu despised, rather.
14:52 asciilifeform where was 'despised victory' ?
14:52 mircea_popescu there's two kinds of i won : the "i won because you're fucking stupid" and the "omfg i'm so cool i won". the latter never works out.
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14:53 mircea_popescu lottery winner is made famous by the after effects of "whatever i might've been, now i'm the sort of guy that wins lottery"
14:54 mircea_popescu otherwise, defeat is instructive through the mechanism of "whatever your ugly mother & stupid father told you, and you like the idiot you are believed, http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-19#1826859 "
14:54 a111 Logged on 2018-06-19 16:55 mircea_popescu: douchebag looky, the place's not for you. you're not smart enough to be here. what's so hard to grok about this ? some people are smart, some people aren't smart, you're not smart. what, you have to be dragged out, your legs don't work, what is it ?
14:57 mircea_popescu this'd be why the ceaseless verbiage of "winners" (as displayed in say http://trilema.com/2017/little-miss-sunshine/ as Greg Kinnear's role ) stinks so profusely to the intimate nose of civilised people.
15:00 asciilifeform sorta why i can't stomach e.g. taleb
15:00 asciilifeform stinks to high heaven, 'i won lottery, hear me roar'
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15:01 mircea_popescu kinda also why teh usgistan is so utterly unthreatening. "we never got beaten" "aaaa...ok :)"
15:02 mircea_popescu way to rob yourself of your own , hard earned benefit, usg.fetlife, usg.blue, usg.*
15:04 asciilifeform extra lulzy, e.g., how usg mil brass sees vietnam: 'almost-victory'+dolchstoss
15:07 Mocky re: earlier cia lulz, homepage of glassdoor.com today has (seemingly fresh) cia job ad in rotation, "Morale is great despite of the changing leadership" http://imgur.com/UE7J72H
15:08 mircea_popescu in the sense morale was never great since http://trilema.com/2017/when-did-america-end/ in any branch of us military, we could fairly say "morale is roughly as great as it ever was"
15:12 Mocky "look at our uber-drab office building with not a single person willing to get in the photo, it's awesome here I SWEAR!"
15:14 mircea_popescu the problem with this scoring approach is that google or w/e "exciting" "tech" bs is just as drab, but optimizes for "getting people in the picture".
15:16 asciilifeform the whole lure proposition of cia etc is the seekrit masonic wankage, the legend of cocaine trays and screams in the cork-padded cellar etc
15:17 asciilifeform it was built not even for actual work but to play similar role to the church in old europistan, as a sinkhole for noninheriting sons of the brahmins
15:19 deedbot http://qntra.net/2018/08/gamer-made-to-post-cryptocurrency-for-milder-pre-trial-detention-in-us-doj-blackmail-scheme/ << Qntra - Gamer Made To Post "Cryptocurrency" For Milder Pre-Trial Detention In US DOJ Blackmail Scheme
15:19 BingoBoingo ^ Magistrates strike again
15:23 asciilifeform lol cokemachine
15:23 mircea_popescu ahaha
15:23 mircea_popescu this is just about it, plain extortion. alf's coke machine realised.
15:24 asciilifeform dunno that it's a first, who was it, ulbricht, sitting for half decade nao in the cork cellar, coughing up coin
15:26 BingoBoingo Ulbricht lets their hamsters plea "drug war"
15:27 BingoBoingo This dude though wasn't even racis
15:27 asciilifeform terrorist(tm)(r)
15:27 asciilifeform big fat diff
15:30 ben_vulpes lol hey check it out; this guy gets a haul of 300kusd+ for not responsibledisclosuring and douchebags of the world wank themselves raw over 5K and a spot on the altavista hall of fame
15:35 BingoBoingo I don't see how the allegations are any different from using a "Game shark" on a Nintendo
15:35 BingoBoingo Or wall clipping, etc
15:35 asciilifeform well, 'haul' followed by pointed stick up arse
15:35 BingoBoingo And not even an actual release on bail if he posts the blackmail
15:42 asciilifeform https://archive.is/b2pd6 << fishwrap with fewer detail censored
15:44 Mocky "accessing a protected computer"
15:45 asciilifeform via same fishwrap, unrelated pantsuit lulz, https://archive.is/EWcta >> 'because of possible abuse of children'
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16:17 mircea_popescu "public outcry" my foot.
16:17 mircea_popescu i have nfi why the serbs permit a us diplomatic mission.
16:17 mircea_popescu iirc they never paid up for their war crimes.
16:17 mircea_popescu "you want diplomatic relations, first you pay 10x what we think you broke should be valued at, then maybe"
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16:24 asciilifeform i thought the serbs got 'democratized', are sorta like ro nao
16:24 asciilifeform possibly missed the flip of the bit back
16:24 mircea_popescu nfi
16:24 mircea_popescu haven\'t really been paying any attention, but as a matter of principle.
16:27 asciilifeform last i knew, after they were trashed, usg.euro.figurehead installed, and so forth
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18:54 BingoBoingo But there's still the unfinished Kosovo thing that'll be good for keeping anti-USG resentment up for another couple generations
18:55 BingoBoingo Not just the bombing but US nuturing a blighted shitpit
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19:36 mircea_popescu i can see it.
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21:06 BingoBoingo It is one thing to wound. It is another to hold the wounded and ensure the injury festers, which... is what USG has been doing everywhere
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23:57 mircea_popescu pretty much.
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