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00:22 BingoBoingo !~bcstats
00:22 jhvh1 BingoBoingo: Current Blocks: 492882 | Current Difficulty: 1.452839779145E12 | Next Difficulty At Block: 493919 | Next Difficulty In: 1037 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 0 days, 6 hours, 56 minutes, and 0 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: None | Estimated Percent Change: None
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01:48 mircea_popescu 𐋎
01:48 mircea_popescu aw damn i thought logotron gets the utf points whatever
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02:23 deedbot http://trilema.com/2017/macedonia-visual-quesos-de-turrialba-rios-de-costa-rica-el-volcan-irazu-la-tarantula-vial-otras-temas-y-mas/ << Trilema - Macedonia visual : Quesos de Turrialba ; Rios de Costa Rica ; El Volcan Irazu ; La Tarantula Vial ; Otras Temas ; y mas!
02:36 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-02#1732274 << not exactly. exception becomes semantically meaningful, then others end up building applications on the meaning, then you're stuck supporting unintended downstreams.
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02:36 a111 Logged on 2017-11-02 21:23 lobbes: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-02#1732246 << because one day the $item-I-am-excepting will be $no-longer-the-item-I-should-be-excepting?
02:37 mircea_popescu and in other youtful loves, http://i.imgur.com/9SWvWza.jpg
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04:14 davout http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-01#1731791 <<< i missed that, and no i see no problem with that. selling stuff that doesn't exist yet happens all the time in the regular course of business
04:14 a111 Logged on 2017-11-01 19:11 asciilifeform: davout: no problem with selling items that may or may not exist or have any connection whatsoever to reality ?!
04:15 davout aka promises aren't in themselves fraudulent because they are promises, failure to deliver on the promise is fraudulent
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05:13 davout bottom line being, i do think buttfinex is fraudlent, but for different reasons than this particular one
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08:05 mircea_popescu davout you're confusing things.
08:07 mircea_popescu "stuff that doesn't exist yet" in the sense of the milking of tomorrow when you own a cow is not "stuff that doesn't exist yet" in the sense of davout's isp that davout neither owns nor will but for 0 reasons feels within himself a swelling indicating that he's just as good as one who does, and therefore in a small manner, as if by contagion, he also will. because he "could".
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08:08 mircea_popescu yes futures exist, as a financial derivative. no the millenials' meat isn't worth money "because human rights and democrcy" ; nor has argentina's masfuturo a financiable value.
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08:14 mircea_popescu the specific item here discussed is an EXACT rehash of say ttp://trilema.com/2012/and-another-one-bites-the-dust-bitmarketeu/#selection-55.0-57.87 ; which while 5 years old is nevertheless entirely identical ; which is the problem here -- that a specific sort of "mind" keeps making a specific sort of mistake. which is why all the discussions about http://trilema.com/2013/the-story-of-pointless-and-witless/ and so on and so fo
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08:14 mircea_popescu rth.
08:17 mircea_popescu now -- it's fine for you to sorta-kinda keep up with the logs, now and again, and trade off the credit you built historically. nobody gives a shit, per se, people have been failing to keep up and getting shedded off like so much dead skin ever since day 1.
08:17 mircea_popescu the problem, however, seems to be that your mind is actually regressing to the mean, and you find yourself in 2017 making the type of arguments you'd have readily recognized as an idiot's (not even a scammer's ; some people are too dumb to actually scam in that they have not the intelligence required to create a space between themselves and their victims, so they're just fucking everyone over without mens rea for lack of a m
08:17 mircea_popescu ens in the first place) back in 2012.
08:18 mircea_popescu this can only come to grief ; and the name of the griefbox is "why is mp so arrogant ; we don't yet know whether it was a scam ; this looks like a serious business because aeron chairs" and other such nonsense amply and insistently documented years ago back when i still vaguely gave a shit about what idiots say and how the idiot brainbox works.
08:21 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-03#1732302 << speaking of 'mas futuro' , the 'btc in ar' scamola apparently back from the grave, https://archive.is/LUSVz
08:21 a111 Logged on 2017-11-03 12:08 mircea_popescu: yes futures exist, as a financial derivative. no the millenials' meat isn't worth money "because human rights and democrcy" ; nor has argentina's masfuturo a financiable value.
08:21 mircea_popescu i'm sure.
08:25 shinohai gm #trilema
08:26 shinohai Buttfunex not a corral full of thieves ? Am I in the wrong place?
08:35 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-03#1732303 <<< >>> http://btcbase.org/log/2013-12-25#431168
08:35 a111 Logged on 2017-11-03 12:14 mircea_popescu: the specific item here discussed is an EXACT rehash of say ttp://trilema.com/2012/and-another-one-bites-the-dust-bitmarketeu/#selection-55.0-57.87 ; which while 5 years old is nevertheless entirely identical ; which is the problem here -- that a specific sort of "mind" keeps making a specific sort of mistake. which is why all the discussions about http://trilema.com/2013/the-story-of-pointless-and-witless/ and so on and so fo
08:35 a111 Logged on 2013-12-25 21:01 asciilifeform: borrowed -> has to be repaid. in cash, or фуфло.
08:35 asciilifeform seems to me that it is exactly same item.
08:36 mircea_popescu yes but the pantsuitistan theory is that poverty is an absolute bar to cash repayment and "human rights" are an absolute bar to фуфло repayment and consequently repayment obligation discharged, problem ?!
08:36 mircea_popescu because if problem they'll change "discharged" with "deferred" and nyah nyah.
08:37 asciilifeform how do you say 'долг платежом красен' proverb in eng.
08:37 asciilifeform ( approx 'the beautiful thing about debt, is that it WILL be paid' )
08:38 mircea_popescu the whole "western world" is built on the hope that nope.
08:39 asciilifeform this only worx because they've dressed ordinary tribute collection as 'borrowing', and ordinary mongol rape as 'lending'
08:41 asciilifeform if usg 'borrows' something from me, i dun expect to see it again 'like own ears without mirror', because mother did not drop me as a child
08:41 mircea_popescu actually, that only works because the chinese are playing the role of romanian student's mother, sending over lunchboxes fulla pork and beans without economic counterprestation, accepting self-issued "certificates" in lieu of payment.
08:41 asciilifeform i still dun fully grasp the middle kingdom's 'feed the enemy until he dies of old age' philosophy, so cannot comment
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08:41 mircea_popescu the rest of the "balance sheet", two bit gainarii / trading of stolen phones and classmates' inept sexwork is entirely spurious nonsense bolted on
08:42 mircea_popescu asciilifeform it works fucking admirably though, compared to the soviet approach...
08:42 mircea_popescu or the arab approach at that.
08:43 asciilifeform is a 'gainar' a chicken-snatcher ?
08:44 * asciilifeform was floored by the abundance of free-ranging chickens, of high apparent quality, walking around in timis
08:45 asciilifeform walk a few km, hear 2 or 3 kukareku's
08:47 mircea_popescu diana_coman http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/qZado/?raw=true
08:47 mircea_popescu !!up manamex
08:47 deedbot manamex voiced for 30 minutes.
08:47 mircea_popescu asciilifeform hang on, i have a discussion somewhere
08:47 asciilifeform meanwhile i found it
08:48 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-12#1681804
08:48 a111 Logged on 2017-07-12 03:27 mircea_popescu: amusingly -- the chicken stealer (ro gainar, each language that saw them has its own word) is the lowest level of gypsy male qualification. a sort of transient baccalaureat if you will.
08:48 mircea_popescu ah ok then. basically young gypsy's pons asinorum
08:48 mircea_popescu there you go.
08:48 asciilifeform another poverty of englisch, it dun have a rich set of names for types of thief ( if it did ? long forgotten ? )
08:49 asciilifeform can't directly say, e.g., конокрад
08:49 asciilifeform there is, i suppose, 'rustler'
08:49 mircea_popescu it did. including for the feminist (ugly tomboyis streetwalker that hates men) and for the woman in tech (pickpocket distracting the mark by playing the whore) and so on.
08:49 mircea_popescu but... meanwhile "they sanitized the slums", resulting in social sterility.
08:52 asciilifeform i dun think anyone remembered to tell the slums they've been 'sanitized'
08:53 asciilifeform ( oblig http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-07#1579090 )
08:53 a111 Logged on 2016-12-07 15:31 asciilifeform: 'well ~i~! know now that i'm not an acorn. but do THE SQUIRRELS know??????'
08:53 mircea_popescu !#s "five points"
08:53 a111 2 results for "\"five points\"", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=%22five%20points%22
08:54 mircea_popescu ok, well, there was once a place in new york worth going to. meanwhile...
08:54 mircea_popescu "clean the slums" very specifically means -- an effort by the early pantsuit to remove local autonomy from the poor. yes they'll be just as poor -- the important point is to make sure the landlord is one of us not one of them.
08:55 asciilifeform this is the exact colonization algo, tho, applied domestically
08:55 mircea_popescu yup.
08:56 mircea_popescu the situation where manhattan may well be run by goldman sach's own boss tweed but five points is run by will poole and dontcha forget it is well anathema to the democrat corruption machine.
08:56 mircea_popescu !#s "know nothing"
08:56 a111 106 results for "\"know nothing\"", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=%22know%20nothing%22
08:57 mircea_popescu turns out there's a lot of interesting us history "nobody ever knew".
08:57 asciilifeform this 'sanitization' btw is how they wrecked the cities, why larger part of bmore looks like dresden '45
08:58 asciilifeform and plenty of folx knew. but it is exactly same picture as in mircea_popescu's 'vina batranilor'
08:58 asciilifeform http://trilema.com/2010/vina-batranilor << subj
08:58 asciilifeform they knew. they sat on arse.
08:58 mircea_popescu aha.
09:00 asciilifeform asciilifeform's pet many times remarked 'they knew, they watched own neighbourhoods turn into darkest africa. but never said anything to me and siblings growing up'
09:02 mircea_popescu the reason it is vehehehery important for the kids to keep being distracted by "technology" aka bimbophones is that ... well... if they ever were to look up from zee angry birds...
09:04 asciilifeform what, exactly, they'll do ? 'he'll email you his fist...'
09:05 mircea_popescu you never know what the kids will do. this is the definition.
09:06 asciilifeform sorta why they put the resources into bonsaikittenization
09:06 mircea_popescu "a deal can be anything" etc
09:07 asciilifeform but for some reason even for orc deal it is always 'house in miami' and never 'burn miami'
09:07 asciilifeform the vhsamerica lure still works, i have nfi why, but it worx
09:07 mircea_popescu orcs are slow.
09:07 mircea_popescu you know they're STILL visiting rome ? or venice ?
09:07 mircea_popescu for centuries large open air garbage dumps, yet the call of the blood calls on.
09:08 asciilifeform asciilifeform confessed to a cabbie that he wants to move, and cabbie looked as if asciilifeform grew a cock on his forehead
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09:08 mircea_popescu o yeah ? you should see when asciilifeform is not asciilifeform but female 20 years his junior. WITH TITS!
09:08 asciilifeform then you couldn't find the signal about noise floor, lol
09:08 asciilifeform *above
09:23 mircea_popescu asciilifeform http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/cjLi5/?raw=true
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09:25 mircea_popescu !!pay diana_coman 1.475
09:25 deedbot Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/4gHY6/?raw=true
09:28 diana_coman mircea_popescu> orcs are slow. <- from my personal experience this is actually a rather reliable empirical measure of how much someone groks reality as is; the analogy would be as to how far away they are from it, hence how much it takes for the "light" to travel aka them to see it; for some the splendours of Rome are visible only now so they still hold today's Rome to be the greatest thing; others are still seeing the Habsburg
09:28 diana_coman might; or the EU ...mhm, dunno, peace; or whatever in between; at the other end one... is ahead of it so can see already where the future is
09:28 mircea_popescu lol, i shall agree, barb notwithstanding :DS
09:28 diana_coman :P
09:31 mircea_popescu here, a bonus for you : http://alexbrie.net/2017/10/ganduri-despre-usr-prezent-si-viitor/#comment-2776
09:31 diana_coman asta-i alex branza moale adica?
09:32 mircea_popescu fellow identieis me as you know, "scenariul pesedisto-antenist". right ? on the basis of something he's read, or w/e, encountered in his daily lyf.
09:32 mircea_popescu diana_coman aha! lol.
09:32 mircea_popescu identifies*
09:32 mircea_popescu in nucet, the argument is that the empirical measure described is reliable until relied upon, at which point it is unreliable immediately and without remainder.
09:33 mircea_popescu the thinnest of ice on the signification river.
09:33 * diana_coman has trouble getting herself to read past the title even, given the...vibes of the whole thing
09:33 mircea_popescu but why ? he, alex softcheese, a rotten reed just like milord bacon, has thought just like anyone ever thinks.
09:33 mircea_popescu "but for the grace of god, there think i"
09:35 diana_coman what grace? what think? what...I??? where?!! lol
09:36 diana_coman "M-am considerat nicusorist o buna bucata de vreme, pana in clipa in care mi-am dat seama de ridicolul situatiei" <- bwahahahaha
09:36 diana_coman well, at least there's so much more ridicule patiently waiting for him to notice it...
09:36 diana_coman si dai si lupta nicusorule...
09:38 mircea_popescu diana_coman reference to john bradford quote.
09:38 mircea_popescu prior, evidently, to autodafe.
09:41 mircea_popescu and in #trilema better homes and gardens, today's breakfast idea : cut open aguacate (green plox, not the black jewishabomination), remove seed, replace with thinly sliced blue cheese (aoc, plox, not argentinisms) and balsamic vinegar in some proportion. yum!
09:42 diana_coman myeah; I meant that I don't quite see the basis on which this guy "sees" the similarity; but I'll admit I was being harsh
09:43 mircea_popescu i'll tell you : he's heard some things, and what i say seems similar. in that sense, guess what ? it is.
09:43 mircea_popescu and besides, he has 0 experience interacting with only-living-romanian-billionaire ; and plenty of experience interacting with... what, irinel columbeanu ? recall the trilema foundational myth ?
09:44 mircea_popescu "everyday substitutes for categories as provided by tv"
09:44 diana_coman ahahah; I'm out of touch with whatever columbeanus are current
09:45 diana_coman (n.r. : Mircea, eu nu vorbesc nici la nervi cu atatea cuvinte NSFW cum ai scris tu, nu le vreau nici pe blog. Le-am sters de mana, dar un pic de atentie pe viitor poate nu strica
09:45 mircea_popescu yes, well... ? who knows, maybe i got paid coupla hundy by orlando nicoara. god knows everyone else did, yes ?
09:45 diana_coman myeah
09:47 mircea_popescu perhaps i hear about how they came up with terrorism bs re this latest http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-30#1718821 ie adrian sirbu and instead of pointing at him and laughing, "ti-am zis ca ti-o sugi, fraere ???" im like all you know, impressed or something.
09:47 a111 Logged on 2017-09-30 19:33 mircea_popescu: so after reich and slavski, stalin executed slansky, and malenkov beria to no longer bother him with the brush.
09:47 mircea_popescu nobody looks back in 2017 and goes "shit, someone knew how this was gonna end back in 1997"
09:47 mircea_popescu first of all not the "victim" of "his own success" as it's called.
09:48 mircea_popescu in practical terms : the spy is well advised to be polite to the doorman ; because the doorman will still have his job when the spy won't have his anymore.
09:49 mircea_popescu the original discussed whores, but whatever, let's talk about boys for a while.
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10:08 davout http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-03#1732301 <<< i honestly have nfi what you're on about this ISP thing, I don't recall ever promising anyone to deliver such a thing, or mebbe I was asleep or something?
10:08 a111 Logged on 2017-11-03 12:07 mircea_popescu: "stuff that doesn't exist yet" in the sense of the milking of tomorrow when you own a cow is not "stuff that doesn't exist yet" in the sense of davout's isp that davout neither owns nor will but for 0 reasons feels within himself a swelling indicating that he's just as good as one who does, and therefore in a small manner, as if by contagion, he also will. because he "could".
10:09 mircea_popescu no breach of promise is alleged.
10:09 mircea_popescu at issue is the valuation of items that dun exist.
10:09 davout well, my point re buttfinex is that they're simply selling you promises
10:09 mircea_popescu retrospectively.
10:09 davout whether they come from their organic liquidity or from someone else's liquidity
10:10 mircea_popescu the way real estate trading works in uncivilised (ie, non torrens) places is that you gotta examine the ownership chain to establish whethere the owner is selling what he claims (property free and clear) or otherwise "promises".
10:11 mircea_popescu somehow the entire ukistan real estate market has little problem identifying the latter case as a scam.
10:11 davout exchanges only sell you promises, nothing else
10:11 mircea_popescu this is not so.
10:12 davout buttcoins-on-an-exchange are definitionally not buttcoins-in-your-wallet, they are promises to put buttcoins in your wallet should you ask nicely
10:12 davout or did i miss something?
10:12 mircea_popescu that much is so.
10:13 davout how are buttcoins-on-an-exchange different from promises from that exchange?
10:13 mircea_popescu that's not the issue.
10:14 davout so what is?
10:14 mircea_popescu when i go and sit down in a restaurant and ask for the menu, a certain kind of promise is made. when the waiter doesn't go to the restaurant's kitchen but across the street, sits down with my order and waits for the waiter to approach him, a different kind of thing was executed than was promised.
10:14 mircea_popescu yes, "going into restaurant means you'll eat food made by someone". but i didn't go into a commissions store ffs.
10:15 davout that's like saying because there's bread on the menu you expect bread be made in house
10:15 mircea_popescu if it said "homemade bread", i do.
10:16 mircea_popescu and incidentally the disparagement of sysco-powered pitstops is based on exactly this
10:16 mircea_popescu "bitch, i can buy supermarket crap on my own tyvm"
10:16 davout so, there's no such "homemade" mention on buttfinex's menu is exactly my point
10:16 mircea_popescu there can't not be.
10:16 mircea_popescu their simple existence (or rather, evidently fraudulent pretense to existing) is the claim whole.
10:17 mircea_popescu there isn't such a mention on, eg, coinmarketcap.com. which is why we aren't having this discussion about that ~useless website ; but about the useless and fraudulent bitfinex.com exact equivalent.
10:20 davout i still dun see
10:20 mircea_popescu what can i tell ye.
10:21 mod6 were you around in '11 or '12?
10:21 davout mircea_popescu:
10:21 mircea_popescu mod6 he was around yes.
10:21 davout whoops
10:21 davout w
10:21 davout mircea_popescu: say i start selling buttcoins, is it fraudulent if i source them elsewhere?
10:22 mircea_popescu do you source them before you sell them or after ?
10:22 davout if it was the latter, would it be fraudulent just on account of me taking a risk?
10:23 mircea_popescu would you advertise yourself as "bitcoin seller" or as "commission-powered bitcoin hunter of future bitcoins and advisor extraordinaire evanghelizist at large" ?
10:24 davout my point is that taking risks isn't fraudulent if you're able to eat whatever losses you're exposing yourself to
10:24 mircea_popescu whenever something is taken to the marketplace under a label that doesn't match the content, fraud has been committed.
10:24 mircea_popescu davout your claim is false.
10:24 davout isn't that what the mpoe bot was essentially doing?
10:25 mircea_popescu rape is still a crime, even if you only indulge in it in those juridstictions where paying off the father after the fact is a legal way of extinguishing ~the claim~ against you and you're rich enough to pay more than you can fuck.
10:25 mircea_popescu no, and at every juncture. mpoe bot was specifically financed, by bonds deposited etc.
10:26 davout with a last resort payer
10:26 mircea_popescu yes, and advertised as such.
10:26 davout so you did take a risk
10:26 mircea_popescu so : being rich protects one from action on fraud, on the basis of being able to make restitution and only as far as that lasts.
10:26 mircea_popescu bitfinex evidently isn't rich enough.
10:26 mircea_popescu which is the problem with this "im trading fraudulently in the hopes i'm rich enough to not suffer the consequences".
10:28 davout their ability to face the consequences of the risks they're undertaking is not something i can meaningfully argue, i have nfi how rich they are
10:28 mircea_popescu and this is exactly the substance of the "will come to grief" comment. the sort of mental situation that creates the approach in the first place is generally guaranteed to eventually sink it past the point of safety.
10:30 mircea_popescu ie, if X thinks P = "hey, ima trade fraudulently because i'm rich enough to afford covering up for it", the probability of X later thinking P' = "undertaking excessive risk on the basis of extant capitalization is viable in spite of its obvious unviability" is high. because while P' is patently insane whereas P is merely occultly insane, nevertheless P' is just a watered down version of P and consequently "of lower psychologi
10:30 mircea_popescu cal pain".
10:30 davout i see your point
10:30 mircea_popescu aite then
10:30 davout hard to stop when it seemed so easy in the first place, even though it *was* factually safe in the first plae
10:31 davout *place
10:31 mod6 i disagree.
10:31 davout wai
10:32 mod6 If I place my bid, "100 BTC @ 1.00 USD", and your trade engine tells me that "Trade Executed", I expect immediate settlement/delivery. Anything else is scam.
10:33 davout how would that work if your trades are simple insertions recorded in a DB ?
10:33 mod6 (unless it says otherwise, in clear, plain-text right there and I am aware that the coins that are listed on the orderbook are not actually *there*, right *now*)
10:35 mircea_popescu davout "immediate" doesn't mean "in so and so $magic number time interval". immediate means, without intervening steps.
10:35 mircea_popescu ie, absent mediation.
10:35 davout ftr fractional reserve is really not what i was discussing in the first place ...
10:35 davout bbl
10:37 asciilifeform who remembers the 'why not s.nsa take preorders!11' thread.
10:37 mod6 i.
10:37 asciilifeform ~same item.
10:38 mircea_popescu mno.
10:38 mircea_popescu same item would have been "why doesn't s.nsa claim to have an item it doesn't and sell it, like butterfly labs"
10:38 mircea_popescu preorders as such are a few steps closer to sanity than this.
10:39 asciilifeform well yes. we didn't take orders until conveyor physically rolled.
10:39 asciilifeform because otherwise shitfinex an' pay with фуфло.
10:40 mircea_popescu a deal can be anything. a stupid deal, or a deal of no economic value or relevancy, such as me offering for sale my palace on the moon, with the footnote that as far as i know there's no palaces on the moon and if there were i don't know of owning any is one thing. fraud begins later on.
10:41 asciilifeform the cost of selling moonpalaces is to become known as a seller of moonpalaces.
10:42 mircea_popescu well you don't have to do it exclusively. but sure.
10:42 asciilifeform !#s bob bridge builder
10:42 a111 10 results for "bob bridge builder", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=bob%20bridge%20builder
10:42 asciilifeform ^ see also.
10:44 mircea_popescu it's entirely within the realm of the conceivable that on a long enough timeline anyone ends up selling a nonzero quantity of palaces.
10:44 asciilifeform the contrary would require telepathy
10:44 mircea_popescu THAT is what the whole "i'm rich, pay off for it" protection is for.
10:44 asciilifeform how else buyer and seller could possibly have exactly same notion of what is being bought and sold..
10:45 mircea_popescu well, contracts.
10:45 asciilifeform contract doesn't come with a magical spell of +9000 literacy, unfortunately
10:46 mircea_popescu no ; yet you'll be amazed what feats of comprehension can be achieved with a set of 26 predefined symbols.
10:46 mod6 haha
10:46 asciilifeform just as it is conceivable that , e.g., despite FG comes with schematics and agonizingly pedantic description of what it is, more than enough for martians to replicate it to last resistor, there are prolly still folx who were unpleasantly surprised
10:46 asciilifeform e.g. pete_dushenski and his crapple usb
10:46 mircea_popescu i expect he was unpleasantly surprised by apple.
10:47 asciilifeform i'd hope.
10:47 asciilifeform btw diana_coman didja ever solve the riddle re ubuntu ?
10:48 mircea_popescu ima go play with dogs, bbl
10:49 mod6 c-ya
10:51 diana_coman asciilifeform, if you mean the usb trouble with fuckgoats it was on *centos*
10:52 asciilifeform aaa hm
10:53 asciilifeform did it resolve tho?
10:57 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-03#1732380 << got it !
10:57 a111 Logged on 2017-11-03 13:23 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/cjLi5/?raw=true
11:11 asciilifeform in other lollamatics, https://bitbet.us/bet/1399/bitcoin-to-top-6000-usd-in-2017/#c7559 ( blocks archiverbot , http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/FTOCH/?raw=true ) >> znort finally ran-with-the-moneyz
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11:11 asciilifeform ^ pete_dushenski ( and other bbet nostalgiators )
11:24 diana_coman asciilifeform, well, for various definitions of resolve; I'm satisfied that problem was as identified i.e. pl2303x vs pl2303
11:27 asciilifeform i prolly should note ftr, for the truly lazy, there exist serial-to-ethernet boxes. they cost roughly what FG itself costs.
11:28 asciilifeform ( and you will radiate yer seekritrngbitz for however many kilometre )
11:29 asciilifeform the other solutions, in ascending order of sanity, is to find a usb ttl dongle that works with yer kernel, a kernel that worx with mine (or other) ttl dongle, and a pc with actual serialport.
11:29 asciilifeform this is addressed to all fg users, not diana_coman specifically.
11:32 asciilifeform btw : truly, genuinely spiffy pc mobos ( e.g. pcengines 'APU' series ) have ~on-board ttl serial port pins~
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11:33 asciilifeform i.e. suitable for direct connection of FG.
11:34 asciilifeform on apu1 -- j3 and j19
11:34 asciilifeform ( see manual )
11:35 diana_coman asciilifeform, one can patch the kernel to work with both pl2303 AND pl2303x; but otherwise yes, obv is obv, either actual serial port or otherwise finding a combo that works
11:35 asciilifeform trinque ^ et al ( and other pcenginesists )
11:36 mod6 worth noting, thanks alf.
11:36 asciilifeform diana_coman: naive orc asciilifeform picked rs232, 1960s-era protocol, because he actually thought 'no one! will have to patch kernel', can you believe.
11:37 asciilifeform FG will work with, e.g., pdp8, sov. bk0010, romanian z80 clone mircea_popescu played strip poker on, but apparently not with recent pc on recent centos...
11:38 asciilifeform world's most compatible electrical interface short of 220v plug, apparently nao notsocompatible, because generous helpings of http://btcbase.org/log/2017-03-26#1632664 meanwhile
11:38 a111 Logged on 2017-03-26 15:03 mp_en_viaje: basically a novel vector of imperial attack seems to be this "let's take republican items and ~EXPAND~ the downstream so that siberian river attack is then feasible".
11:38 diana_coman asciilifeform, hm, I should get my '80s cobra then? centos 6 is not even recent tbh; but otherwise yes, I believe re no need to patch
11:38 asciilifeform diana_coman: anything that knows how to eat 115200baud,8,1,noparity -- will eat FG.
11:39 asciilifeform schmidt-trigger inputs, low <= 2v, 2.5v <= high <= 5v , approx.
11:40 asciilifeform ( i.e. you won't burn it unless really try )
11:40 asciilifeform btw if anyone REALLY needs a 9200 baud ( or other ) baud rate, i ( or for that matter anyone ) can build a replacement cpld firmware image that makes this happen
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11:40 asciilifeform just change the value of the divider constant .
11:41 asciilifeform 9600 , that is, lol
11:41 asciilifeform or 14400 etc.
11:41 asciilifeform any standard baudness, look at the crystal and do the arithmetic.
11:53 mod6 https://youtu.be/1PFBlE6Fn7U
11:53 asciilifeform http://www.homecomputer.de/pages/easteurope_ro.html#cobra << hilariously and unsurprisingly, ro z80 clone had better keyboard than today's 3000+ $ crapbooks etc
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11:54 asciilifeform ( not to mention more reliable and usable soft, etc )
11:54 diana_coman asciilifeform, that one, yes! mine was made in-house by my father so I sort of know it more open-box than closed-box in any case
11:55 asciilifeform i think all 1980s micro owners remember moar the insides than outside, lol
11:56 asciilifeform ( with possible exception of crapplemac, which even THEN came in a sealed box with nonstandard bolts etc )
12:07 pete_dushenski asciilifeform: znort "finally" ran three times now. if zhe comes back again i won't be overly surprised. like how many other btc corpses, znort surely has nine lives.
12:07 pete_dushenski and 'ello from the pacific coast!
12:08 pete_dushenski i'm in ben_vulpes' neck of the woods more or less, sadly with bizniz to tend to and little opportunity to make house calls to trump's side of the border.
12:09 mod6 hai
12:13 ben_vulpes generous neck
12:14 ben_vulpes last time i crossed the border, guard winked us through, saying, "see you in november!"
12:19 asciilifeform pete_dushenski: i then stand corrected : ran once, and then came back twice to fleece the incorrigible idjits
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12:20 asciilifeform maybe will come back 3rd time to fleece the remaining ( who ? down syndrome sufferers ? ) -- or not.
12:21 asciilifeform in other pete_dushenski , asciilifeform issued pet a circa-2000 crappletop with os9 and no nic, she luvvs it
12:22 asciilifeform pete_dushenski ( ben_vulpes ? other old-time crapplists ? ) ever saw open the battery on these ? what kind of cells ?
12:23 asciilifeform or hm nm found http://fweb.wallawalla.edu/~frohro/Powerbook/Pismo/Battery etc.
12:30 asciilifeform ben_vulpes: wouldja believe, i got stopped at the border for extra helping of inspector fidgeting. guess why.
12:31 asciilifeform ( spoiler : cans of sprats. but no one confiscated them, or even opened suitcase, but the ritual of putting'em through larger xray magicbox was carried out and the voodoo gods -- satisfied )
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12:33 pete_dushenski ben_vulpes: generous ? i'm hacking in cascadia!
12:33 pete_dushenski mod6: howdy :)
12:33 mod6 how goes?
12:34 pete_dushenski asciilifeform: always lusted after those as a youf but never had much chance to fiddle with 'em. unobtanium for young pete's budget but glad to hear they're still running strong
12:34 pete_dushenski mod6: never better. you ?
12:34 asciilifeform pete_dushenski: i lusted and was finally cured when found one at scrap dealer
12:34 asciilifeform tried 6 diff pata ssd in it, 0 recognized
12:34 mod6 doin well, thx!
12:35 shinohai oh hai mod6 .... happy Friday! =^.^=
12:38 pete_dushenski asciilifeform: "never meet your heroes" (tm)
12:38 pete_dushenski mod6: awesome :)
12:39 mod6 happy friday :]
12:40 asciilifeform pete_dushenski: dunno, you seem pretty satisfied with that mechanical clock
12:40 asciilifeform even tho dollarstore crystal keeps better time
12:42 pete_dushenski heh boys and their toys y'know
12:42 pete_dushenski who needs tramborghini when corolla exists ?
12:43 pete_dushenski leave 'need' to the marxists
12:44 * pete_dushenski to more meatings, cheers!
12:45 asciilifeform the dark seekrit is that the old rusty dacia in empty street of timis, goes faster than mazerati on washington 'beltway'.
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12:46 mod6 funny how that works huh
12:46 asciilifeform and its owner -- eats better, sleeps moar sweetly, fucks thrustier.
12:46 mod6 haha
12:49 asciilifeform dacia prolly lasts longer, and moar repairable : i saw more than one example from clearly pre-ceaușescu times
12:49 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-03#1732519 << over 0.04 ?!
12:49 a111 Logged on 2017-11-03 15:11 asciilifeform: in other lollamatics, https://bitbet.us/bet/1399/bitcoin-to-top-6000-usd-in-2017/#c7559 ( blocks archiverbot , http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/FTOCH/?raw=true ) >> znort finally ran-with-the-moneyz
12:49 asciilifeform well pre-fall-of-ceaușescu at any rate
12:49 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: i have nfi over what, iirc there were a few hundy btc in limbo
12:49 mircea_popescu ah misread, it was 1.71 to 1.56
12:52 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-03#1732526 << word.
12:52 a111 Logged on 2017-11-03 15:32 asciilifeform: btw : truly, genuinely spiffy pc mobos ( e.g. pcengines 'APU' series ) have ~on-board ttl serial port pins~
12:54 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-03#1732541 << or could simply use fg as is, neh
12:54 a111 Logged on 2017-11-03 15:40 asciilifeform: btw if anyone REALLY needs a 9200 baud ( or other ) baud rate, i ( or for that matter anyone ) can build a replacement cpld firmware image that makes this happen
12:54 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: was thinking in case someone wants to literally connect to pdp8 or other item that capped out under 115200
12:54 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-03#1732547 << the cobra was relatively advanced/later.
12:54 a111 Logged on 2017-11-03 15:53 asciilifeform: http://www.homecomputer.de/pages/easteurope_ro.html#cobra << hilariously and unsurprisingly, ro z80 clone had better keyboard than today's 3000+ $ crapbooks etc
12:54 mircea_popescu i had to have custom fucking made kbd replacement put into teh old style timisoara-made z80 clones
12:54 asciilifeform ( asciilifeform for instance had a 486 in 1990s that couldn't speak 115200 )
12:55 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: what did they come with , bk0010-style 'chiclet' ?
12:55 mircea_popescu basically these thin plastic pill style things lemme see if i can find one
12:56 mircea_popescu https://images.okr.ro/serve/auctions.v7/2016/feb/11/970c038b1e8d177b47bc965e30014936-0-235_235_11.jpg << original https://sites.google.com/site/georgechirtoaca/_/rsrc/1257401238894/timisoara_microtim_2-large.jpg << rekitted kbd
12:56 mircea_popescu eventually they ended up coming that way from the factory. orig kbd was utter shit.
12:56 asciilifeform aaaa yes chiclet
12:56 mircea_popescu including failure mode where it self-typed
12:57 asciilifeform wouldja believe at one time it was thought to be the worst physically possible kbd. but never underestimate crapple, pinoneer of drawing-only keyboard.
12:57 mircea_popescu hey, i'm satisfied ipad/tablets worst possible.
12:57 mircea_popescu but yes, at the time this was it.
12:58 mircea_popescu technology, ever progresses.
12:58 asciilifeform ( for n00bz : 1980s micros, esp in orcistans, tended to have kbd resembling that of cheap chinese air conditioner remote today )
12:59 mircea_popescu diana_coman iirc the cobra had 80kb ?
12:59 asciilifeform 80 is princely
12:59 mircea_popescu ikr?
12:59 asciilifeform sure it wasn't 8 ?
12:59 mircea_popescu my originals had 48
12:59 mircea_popescu no im telling you, this was later/advanced model
12:59 mircea_popescu made at brasov.
13:00 asciilifeform neato.
13:00 mircea_popescu went into production 1988, then 1989 it was all over.
13:01 mircea_popescu imported chipsets iirc too.
13:01 asciilifeform from where ? ddr ?
13:01 mircea_popescu and a very short run, iirc documentedly only ~1k produced.
13:01 mircea_popescu so a primo collector item.
13:02 mircea_popescu asciilifeform well, "iprs" was the comp dealing. mostly german / swiss contacts yeah.
13:02 asciilifeform i'm not aware of a swiss-made z80 set having existed
13:02 asciilifeform but hellknows.
13:02 asciilifeform ddr defo existed. i have one here.
13:02 mircea_popescu asciilifeform "swiss" in this context means refloated via switzerland
13:03 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: do you remember the colour ? ( black plastic ? or ceramic white and gold cap ? )
13:03 asciilifeform of the chipz that is
13:03 mircea_popescu the mold was made in ro oh.
13:03 mircea_popescu i don't even know i ever had one. by the time they were more or less available i got ibm pc
13:05 mircea_popescu but iirc it had a full cp/m os to o
13:05 asciilifeform hm i distinctly recall a thread where mircea_popescu and z80
13:05 asciilifeform tapes broadcast on tv etc
13:05 mircea_popescu definitely. i still have the old tim-s'n
13:05 mircea_popescu somewhere
13:11 mircea_popescu (notably, item got broken into while on display in cccp in 88, stolen mobo)
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13:27 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-03#1732558 << afaik there were no outstanding claims after either of these
13:27 a111 Logged on 2017-11-03 16:19 asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: i then stand corrected : ran once, and then came back twice to fleece the incorrigible idjits
13:27 * mircea_popescu hasn't been following the story.
13:28 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-03#1732564 << they've gotten very "thou shalt not open bags, the might of inca rests in remoteness".
13:28 a111 Logged on 2017-11-03 16:31 asciilifeform: ( spoiler : cans of sprats. but no one confiscated them, or even opened suitcase, but the ritual of putting'em through larger xray magicbox was carried out and the voodoo gods -- satisfied )
13:30 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-03#1732583 << to think timis street empty one must come from not such a good life.
13:30 a111 Logged on 2017-11-03 16:45 asciilifeform: the dark seekrit is that the old rusty dacia in empty street of timis, goes faster than mazerati on washington 'beltway'.
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13:55 asciilifeform timis cars... move!!
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14:16 asciilifeform meanwhile, in elaborate altcoin scamola world, https://chia.network
14:16 asciilifeform 'Bram Cohen, famously invented BitTorrent' 'proofs of space and time' [many squigglies] 'decentralized, and more secure' 'Install and setup Keybase' etc.
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14:17 asciilifeform and naturally, 'Chia Network is a San Francisco-based company' 'Chia will be sold to the public next year'.
14:21 ben_vulpes "eyyy, unsuspecting public, i hear ya like holding bags"
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14:22 asciilifeform i still even recall the days when shitcoin artists tried to mask their premining or at least distract from it somehow
14:22 asciilifeform but somehow became 'normal' behaviour in the rat pit, unremarkable nao.
14:22 ben_vulpes which is all regulation buys one: houses built to the minimum standard, and retirees so accustomed to government insulation from possible bad decisions that the entire stockholding class has nfi that paper could be worthless
14:25 asciilifeform gotta wonder, how come none of the audience have the half cup of oil in their braincase to answer the 'here is some lolcatcoin, gimme btc in exchange' with 'if it's so great, why dontcha keep it, and why would you trade it for boring old btc'
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14:26 ben_vulpes well there's a whitepaper, that makes it just as good as bitcoin.
14:26 ben_vulpes the corn syrup says maple syrup, that means it's just as good and certainly cheaper at any rate
14:28 asciilifeform gotta luvv the 'i have a tall pile of mathemasturbatory squigglies ergo I Fix Bitcoin' school of derpery
14:29 asciilifeform yesterday i learned that there exists a similar subculture in academia as pertains to 'covert radio' ( see 'olivia' thread )
14:29 asciilifeform massive piles of loose-hanging theoretical 'sub noise floor max possible bit rate' etc
14:29 asciilifeform 0 actionables.
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14:59 asciilifeform !!up vlad56324
14:59 deedbot vlad56324 voiced for 30 minutes.
14:59 vlad56324 hello
14:59 asciilifeform vlad56324: who might you be ?
14:59 vlad56324 newbie, learning a lot from btcbase logs
15:00 asciilifeform vlad56324: consider making a key and regging in wot ?
15:00 asciilifeform !!help
15:00 deedbot http://deedbot.org/help.html
15:00 vlad56324 yes going to do
15:01 asciilifeform vlad56324: say a bit about yerself while you have the microphone ?
15:04 vlad56324 i knew bitcoin on 2015, trilema blog in the past week, aside from that i'm just an average joe
15:05 vlad56324 irl i work at a bakery
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15:05 vlad56324 english is not my main language
15:08 asciilifeform lol mine neither
15:08 asciilifeform where do you come from, vlad56324 ?
15:08 vlad56324 it
15:08 vlad56324 italy
15:10 asciilifeform mircea_popescu has a pretty solid command of it lang; if you ask him very politely he might answer something.
15:10 vlad56324 what i would like to ask after reading the logs: what is a safe linux distro to use for day to day computing?
15:11 asciilifeform i'll answer this one : there isn't one.
15:11 vlad56324 basically i'm on ubuntu since a lot of time, then after reading i've discovered some useful networking instruments such as tcptrack
15:11 vlad56324 and saw the hell going in and out my pc w/o reason
15:12 * asciilifeform reads 'tcptrack' manual and bewildered, why is it needed ? what's wrong with ' netstat -a ' ?
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15:13 vlad56324 i would like to ask: there is some specific distro that by default doesn't need to communicate out of my lan?
15:13 asciilifeform all of them, if you take out the nic from your box, lol
15:14 asciilifeform but no there is not a sane distro by any sort of reasonable standard
15:14 asciilifeform a few of the folx here use heavily modified gentoo-derived items
15:14 asciilifeform but none of it is a thing that you can 'download, install, forget' etc without working with own hands
15:15 asciilifeform http://danielpbarron.com/2017/gentoo-eulora-quest << danielpbarron's gentoo recipe
15:15 vlad56324 i mean, i like and think that there is no harm about having some ARP request and dhcp stuff, but then, i realized that even if i was with closed browser, doing text editing, there was traffic going outside my lan
15:17 vlad56324 this is meant to be secure?
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15:17 asciilifeform take, e.g., the above recipe, and build a box where the only soft is what you put there deliberately, with own hands.
15:17 asciilifeform it isn't a cure but is a treatment.
15:17 vlad56324 ah ok, like linux from scratch
15:17 asciilifeform and throw out the kde's, gnomes, similar garbage.
15:18 asciilifeform at the end of the day you should have a box where the question 'why is this on my machine' should never have to be asked
15:18 vlad56324 nice
15:19 asciilifeform it will still be possible to be surprised at 'why is this thing, that i put there, doing $x' . but this is a substantial step above the pig farm where you have a bowl of unattributable slop.
15:19 vlad56324 then i saw some folks that prefer freebsd "for security" but never understood the reasons behind this
15:19 asciilifeform vlad56324: nostalgia. 10yrs ago or so it was still appealing ( smaller, simpler, less rotten . )
15:19 vlad56324 may i ask if there is some particular real advantage with freebsd?
15:20 asciilifeform see above.
15:20 asciilifeform at one time it was small.
15:20 asciilifeform !#s fits in head
15:20 a111 132 results for "fits in head", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=fits%20in%20head
15:20 asciilifeform ^ see logs.
15:20 vlad56324 thanks
15:22 asciilifeform vlad56324: asking today for 'which distro most secure' is rather like asking re which apartment block in chernobyl zone is most habitable
15:22 vlad56324 you know what: it seems to me that with 56k it was very easy to have some decent "fine grained" control over the packets
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15:22 asciilifeform i.e. the question has an answer, but the phrasing of the question makes the answer inevitably misleading .
15:23 vlad56324 now with broadband it seems that everyone has the permission to grant the shit out of my pc in terms of TCP connections
15:23 vlad56324 and this scares me thinking about of real security
15:24 asciilifeform consider that in the age of 1990s microshit, it was not necessary for a box to have modem at all, to be infected ( just as today )
15:25 vlad56324 ok and another thing that was really a curiosity after reading the logs
15:25 asciilifeform the fault, to borrow from shakespeare, 'is not in our packets but in ourselves'
15:25 vlad56324 intel ME
15:25 vlad56324 basically i understood that there is this... kinda backdoor
15:25 asciilifeform don't buy intel. or amd made in 2011 and after.
15:26 vlad56324 but if i generate entropy with my paper + pen, am i on the safe side or still intel can theoretically fuck me?
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15:27 vlad56324 (paper + pen then input on PC)
15:27 asciilifeform vlad56324: if nic is plugged in, enemy has remote control over whole box at all times. ( if not plugged in -- collects, e.g., keystrokes, and disgorges on demand later. )
15:28 vlad56324 that's creepy as fuck. Consider that a couple of years ago i was feeling safe generating paper wallets on a online ubuntu distro
15:29 asciilifeform ( 'remote control' in the physical sense, greater than your own, he can read 'unused' pages of ram from last warm boot, rewrite arbitrary sectors on hdd, etc )
15:29 asciilifeform !!up vlad56324
15:29 deedbot vlad56324 voiced for 30 minutes.
15:31 vlad56324 so true cold storage should be on a dedicated computer, correct?
15:31 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-02#1650832 << see also, re intel et al
15:31 a111 Logged on 2017-05-02 12:22 asciilifeform: Framedragger: if you think they use distinguishable magic packets, think again
15:31 vlad56324 not one that you boot with a live cd w/o internet
15:31 asciilifeform vlad56324: see mircea_popescu's essay re 'airgap' .
15:31 asciilifeform http://trilema.com/2013/how-to-airgap-a-practical-guide/ .
15:34 asciilifeform vlad56324: also 'cold' normally implies the use of non-electrical item ( e.g. paper )
15:35 asciilifeform once you load it into a comp, it is 'hot' again.
15:44 vlad56324 You want all new hardware, don't reuse stuff that was already online
15:44 vlad56324 i really not have understood this part
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15:46 vlad56324 and not understood full disk encryption flaws
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16:07 diana_coman mircea_popescu> diana_coman iirc the cobra had 80kb ? <- hmmm, iirc 58 keys but I can't say I'm 100% certain
16:18 asciilifeform diana_coman: i think he meant kB
16:18 asciilifeform as in, addr space
16:19 diana_coman oh, oh; as far as I know there were 2 versions at least and one of them with 80kB, yes
16:19 asciilifeform neato.
16:27 BingoBoingo <vlad56324> what i would like to ask after reading the logs: what is a safe linux distro to use for day to day computing? << Minix 2 is prolly closest
16:38 trinque good enough for intel's ME
16:38 asciilifeform it dun particularly matter what yer running if the enemy lives on the bus, no.
16:40 trinque http://blog.ptsecurity.com/2017/04/intel-me-way-of-static-analysis.html << "It would seem that ME 11 is based on the MINIX 3 OS"
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16:40 asciilifeform lol!
16:44 asciilifeform gotta luvv, incidentally, the 'huffman compression' thing. 'we can't decompress because nobody has the table'. except if you had instrumented sticks of ram, that can be read out of band ( i.e. without cooperation of the mobo and its contents , through a second hole ) you could quite easily restore the entire image ( which sections get read , in what order ? concatenate'em. )
16:44 asciilifeform and at same time 'but the RAM region used by ME is not accessible from the OS' goes away.
16:45 asciilifeform 'analogue hole' motherfuckers.
16:45 asciilifeform if nobody's raped'em through it, it is because evidently nobody can be arsed.
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17:07 BingoBoingo http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-03#1732747 << If you have a Minix3 that is too much Minix, that's almost a whole Fedora of Linux
17:07 a111 Logged on 2017-11-03 20:40 trinque: http://blog.ptsecurity.com/2017/04/intel-me-way-of-static-analysis.html << "It would seem that ME 11 is based on the MINIX 3 OS"
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17:53 mircea_popescu and in other tears of modernity, "I was formerly a PhD student at Max Planck Institute for Intelligent Systems, Tübingen, Germany, under the supervision of Bernhard Schölkopf and Stefan Harmeling, where my research focus was image denoising. I have achieved state-of-the-art results using neural networks. I am currently co-founder at TasteHit, a web analytics and personalization startup. We aim to create a unique browsing ex
17:53 mircea_popescu perience tailored to a visitor's taste, using machine learning."
17:55 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-03#1732652 << consider also >> http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-26#1729340
17:55 a111 Logged on 2017-11-03 18:21 ben_vulpes: "eyyy, unsuspecting public, i hear ya like holding bags"
17:55 a111 Logged on 2017-10-26 17:11 mircea_popescu: anyway, there's still an open thread god damned it. so re "in the hope they'll achieve usg agency status" above : the final socialism, usg's "ourdemocracy" came up with a gamified nationalization process : they naturally confiscate the domain leaders in all domains, under the guise of you know, "pension fund investments" and "consumer protection law enforcement". ie, there's a faux money and a faux legal prong which make sure
17:56 mircea_popescu not liek the public's doing much investment these days. approx on par with good soviet of 1987, had special retainer out of salary for "investments".
17:58 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-03#1732656 << you should read the "seo expertise/information products" stuff sometime.
17:58 a111 Logged on 2017-11-03 18:25 asciilifeform: gotta wonder, how come none of the audience have the half cup of oil in their braincase to answer the 'here is some lolcatcoin, gimme btc in exchange' with 'if it's so great, why dontcha keep it, and why would you trade it for boring old btc'
17:59 mircea_popescu template pretty much is "pay me clerical fee for the styory of method to make $random-figure". whole fucking thing is based on wsd ; which is the problem with tards, fail to distinguish the stories they tell themselves from reality anymore.
17:59 mircea_popescu "i want to believe!"
18:00 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-03#1732674 << hey, bakery better than the crapple store.
18:00 a111 Logged on 2017-11-03 19:05 vlad56324: irl i work at a bakery
18:00 trinque guy who can announce what he does without pissing himself also a plus
18:04 BingoBoingo !~ticker --market all
18:04 jhvh1 BingoBoingo: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 7180.01, vol: 16280.20064890 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 7247.2, vol: 63495.49522234 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 7099.0, vol: 5008.96541161 | Volume-weighted last average: 7225.54283551
18:04 BingoBoingo Still Crashing
18:09 mircea_popescu word.
18:10 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-03#1732685 << same reason people use perl instead of hacking sed awk and grep together every time.
18:10 a111 Logged on 2017-11-03 19:12 asciilifeform reads 'tcptrack' manual and bewildered, why is it needed ? what's wrong with ' netstat -a ' ?
18:11 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-03#1732693 << the danielpbarron eulora thing is intended as work-in-progress os basis for eulora (the mmorpg). it is not specifically secure yet ; it is however cleanner, in that less spurious / unnecessary / unknown or incomprejhensioble stuff included.
18:11 a111 Logged on 2017-11-03 19:17 vlad56324: this is meant to be secure?
18:13 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-03#1732711 << of course. back in the z80 days the whole memory could be printed out, wouldn't even take a whole book. more like what today passes for one, ie 40-50 pages' worth.
18:13 a111 Logged on 2017-11-03 19:22 vlad56324: you know what: it seems to me that with 56k it was very easy to have some decent "fine grained" control over the packets
18:13 mircea_popescu people could and routinely did read the whole memory content.
18:14 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-03#1732721 << can fuck, can fuck.
18:14 a111 Logged on 2017-11-03 19:26 vlad56324: but if i generate entropy with my paper + pen, am i on the safe side or still intel can theoretically fuck me?
18:15 BingoBoingo Grain fineness is one of those things that scales. If you want good rice start with a few tons rather than pounds.
18:15 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-03#1732737 << do you understand how the original stuxnet item propagated ?
18:15 a111 Logged on 2017-11-03 19:44 vlad56324: i really not have understood this part
18:16 mircea_popescu ah he's not here anymoar.
18:17 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-03#1732752 << such ram is found in every "cyber forensics" lab.
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18:17 a111 Logged on 2017-11-03 20:45 asciilifeform: if nobody's raped'em through it, it is because evidently nobody can be arsed.
18:20 mircea_popescu in other lulz of all time : the pre-collapse of pantsuitistan scholarship of the anglo "peasan't revolt" (item where they beheaded the lord chancellor/treasurer/all cambridge robes they could find etc) was that MAJOR SOCIO-ECONOMICAL and POLITICAL!!! development OF GREAT IMPACT!!11
18:20 mircea_popescu however, post-collapse, the scholarship on the same topic is "probably unimportant nonevent".
18:21 BingoBoingo !~later tell danielpbarron http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/sHhm
18:21 jhvh1 BingoBoingo: The operation succeeded.
18:21 mircea_popescu isn't it great for a free and open society to enjoy a vigurous academia which, like the brain on the healthy body, encased in its grey old stones, can lead through the bog of nonsense towards that enchanted high plateau of truth and sparkling clean springwater on the side ?
~ 19 minutes ~
18:41 * BingoBoingo read that as bong water
18:41 mircea_popescu heh
18:42 BingoBoingo Just fit the academia theme
~ 23 minutes ~
19:06 shinohai Trying to celebrate someone's birthday over skype really sux
19:06 shinohai Though taking a drink every time the video buffers is fun. Wheeeeee!
19:07 davout drunk IRC is best IRC
19:08 shinohai ikr?
19:13 mircea_popescu meanwhile on the shared pickle front, http://78.media.tumblr.com/0a8cb4685b6e25335b0dfc587e0ee847/tumblr_ncfkylCPhs1rlva65o1_400.gif
19:15 shinohai "It's kosher!"
19:18 mircea_popescu nothing could be kosherer than cocksharing.
~ 1 hours 18 minutes ~
20:36 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-03#1732785 << on the contrary, it is not publicly available for any kind of money ( and would need some gnarly custom silicon, to produce )
20:36 a111 Logged on 2017-11-03 22:17 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-03#1732752 << such ram is found in every "cyber forensics" lab.
20:36 mircea_popescu yes well
20:36 asciilifeform if mircea_popescu or anyone else knows of anything resembling this item off-the-shelf -- plox to link.
20:37 mircea_popescu "cyber forensic lab" aka the usg owned-and-operator "truefax" producer for usg court system.
20:37 asciilifeform there ~does~ exist that rig with the freon bottle
20:37 asciilifeform but is barbaric
20:37 asciilifeform ( you freeze conventional ramstix and read out in specially built reader )
20:38 asciilifeform about 10k usd, and you need 1 per stick type.
20:39 asciilifeform and some % of bits will flip
20:39 asciilifeform goodenuff for inquisitor, but painful for reversing.
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21:04 deedbot http://trilema.com/2017/minigame-smg-october-2017-statement/ << Trilema - MiniGame (S.MG), October 2017 Statement
~ 1 hours 5 minutes ~
22:10 lobbes http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-03#1732293 << I think I see what you mean. In my case the meaning would end up being "x are never routed through y, ever". I could then end up regretting this if I one day encounter the situation where changing that meaning would result in an overall better process, but, alas, I cannot change due to downstream dependence on that meaning
22:10 a111 Logged on 2017-11-03 06:36 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-02#1732274 << not exactly. exception becomes semantically meaningful, then others end up building applications on the meaning, then you're stuck supporting unintended downstreams.
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22:37 mircea_popescu right
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