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00:00 BingoBoingo Ah not quite the same then, thing I am thinking of came in box same size and shape as "poptarts". Sold as "you know school sucks too much to teach this"
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00:21 BingoBoingo !!Up gribble
00:21 gribble Error: "!Up" is not a valid command.
00:21 deedbot gribble voiced for 30 minutes.
00:21 BingoBoingo ;;ticker --market all
00:21 gribble Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 5798.99, vol: 24018.43 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 5889.0, vol: 3789.33 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 5808.9, vol: 105254.63 | GDAX BTCUSD last: 5790.0, vol: 29298.53 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 5799.9, vol: 10452.24 | Gemini BTCUSD last: 5782.07, vol: 17737.44 | OKCoin BTCUSD last: 5836.8, vol: 6258.49 | Volume-weighted last average: 5804.41
00:21 BingoBoingo Now that's a crashing!
00:26 mircea_popescu holy shit we're crashed all the way almost!
00:27 mircea_popescu http://78.media.tumblr.com/3b5b00a7122d7f4e6108b93d934361ba/tumblr_o8ty5hVVdh1uwe6two3_1280.jpg << speaking of mini-macs with open-bsds...
00:28 deedbot shinohai: http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/ly3Vw/?raw=true
00:28 deedbot ccmtacks: http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/fGVdK/?raw=true
00:29 mircea_popescu this shit's a wonder to watch at work.
00:29 trinque ^ lemme know if those look goofy. process that spat them out is brand new.
00:29 trinque should be good tho
00:32 mircea_popescu seem fine to me.
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01:11 mircea_popescu aaand in the same female form, http://78.media.tumblr.com/70ef88d8decb2378fbd1a988b156ec79/tumblr_np0p0rapsi1shmurko6_1280.jpg
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02:35 deedbot http://trilema.com/2017/remember-the-security-hole-automattic-refused-to-fix-back-in-2014/ << Trilema - Remember the security hole Automattic refused to fix back in 2014 ?
02:35 deedbot http://trilema.com/2017/remember-the-security-hole-automattic-refused-to-fix-back-in-2014/ << Trilema - Remember the security hole Automattic refused to fix back in 2014 ?
02:36 mircea_popescu heh
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06:43 apeloyee http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-12#1724608 << for some reason the subword shift is in-place, whereas the full-word shift isn't
06:43 a111 Logged on 2017-10-12 23:49 asciilifeform: if anyone can see obvious 'this can be simpler' or 'this dun make sense' plz write in.
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07:18 apeloyee e.g. the right shift main loop would look like http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/XEvpD/?raw=true
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07:19 apeloyee by the way, the bot which saved pastes on archive.is doesn't seem to do it anymore.
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09:13 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-13#1724859 << nifty variant, i'ma see how it compares speedwise
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09:13 a111 Logged on 2017-10-13 11:18 apeloyee: e.g. the right shift main loop would look like http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/XEvpD/?raw=true
09:14 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-13#1724860 << trinque was this a deedbot feature ?
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09:14 a111 Logged on 2017-10-13 11:19 apeloyee: by the way, the bot which saved pastes on archive.is doesn't seem to do it anymore.
09:15 shinohai asciilifeform: think it was a scriba feature .... though bot appears to be present
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09:42 mod6 mornin'
09:43 mod6 that's a mighty useful feature too btw.
09:43 mod6 we've gotta have that.
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09:58 shinohai Heya mod6 .... morning
09:59 mod6 how you doin' shinohai?
10:00 shinohai Not too bad, got jhvh1 back online now catching up on logs
10:00 mod6 sweet
10:00 mod6 ive been writing unit test for ffa
10:03 shinohai Awesum ... I'm going to take a look at the thing asciilifeform posted last night later, gotta get Excedrin for preemptive strike on headaches lol
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10:51 mod6 haha. werd.
10:53 mod6 i don't have a ton of coverage yet -- just mainly around the fz bitwise ops, fz_add, fz_mult, handfull of others.
10:54 mod6 im hoping to get some tests around the shifting procedures possibly today or this weekend. alf's latest changes from yesterday would fit into that as well.
10:56 mod6 i hope to glean some deeper understanding of the secret shifting from these tests as well.
10:58 mod6 im certain that even the tests that I do have are missing certain cases -- but its a starting point. and when I publish these, the hope is that people here can help fill in the gaps of the coverage so we can use this as a means to ensure that we do not regress as changes occur to the code.
10:59 mod6 again, these are unit tests, not functional, integration, or performance tests. meaning: i simply call a (so far public) procedure/function within ffa with specific parameters, and expect specific outputs.
11:02 mod6 once we have some solid unit tests in place, i'll look at some functional tests as a higher-level way to ensure we don't regress as well. but that's a bit later yet.
11:03 mod6 probably won't even start until we're closer to a finalized version of ffa.
11:09 asciilifeform mod6: the key imho re a ffa tester, is that it gotta exist ~outside~ of ffa, and use a traditional, known-to-produce-correct-numberz ( and ideally, more than one ) arithm stack
11:09 asciilifeform mod6: my current ( unpublished, quite yet, because it relies on details of 'p' ) item, uses python's
11:10 mod6 sure.
11:10 asciilifeform mod6: you could just as readily use, e.g., gnu 'bc'
11:10 mod6 that's more of a higher-level, functional style test.
11:10 asciilifeform or perl; or even mpi(c)
11:11 mod6 i believe there to be a lot of merit to having unit tests around the specific procedures and functions in ffa.
11:11 asciilifeform mod6: whichever type of test you're making, it certainly won't hurt.
11:11 mod6 so, that's what I'm spending time on now anyway. and, making good progress in a short amount of time. however, ya, many gaps i msure.
11:11 mod6 *im sure
11:12 asciilifeform the tricky bit is to avoid getting into 'quis custodiet ipsos custodes' trap.
11:12 mod6 say what
11:12 asciilifeform 'now gotta write tests for the tests' etc
11:12 mod6 ah. right.
11:12 mod6 well, they're hopefully clear enough to be understood.
11:13 asciilifeform some ops you can easily check result of, by hand ( shifts, add/sub )
11:13 mod6 right.
11:13 mod6 we'll see how hairy it gets :]
11:13 asciilifeform have fun mod6
11:14 mod6 the fz_mux wasn't too bad, etc.
11:14 asciilifeform keep in mind that ffa ( esp. the more recent items ) will change.
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11:14 asciilifeform and incidentally don't assume that the current forms, are the ideal and shortest/clearest possible
11:14 mod6 to understand the thing, one can simply do the: B ^ ((S - 1) & (A ^ B)) on a calc
11:14 asciilifeform it is quite conceivable that you can turn up an improved/cycle-shaving/clearer etc version of this or that
11:14 asciilifeform apeloyee for instance did today
11:15 mod6 aha, this indeed may be the case - something found. but the main interest "does it do what it ~should~ do, given these inputs"
11:16 asciilifeform aha
11:16 mod6 that's the aim anyway. but, yah, might find something along the way too.
11:16 mod6 ANNND. hopefully will grok moar as well.
11:16 mod6 a way of doing necessary work, and forcing myself to do the maff at the same time.
11:17 asciilifeform mod6: there are serious ughs that need fixing, also. for instance to get rid of 'Natural' and 'Positive' and throw out the mess of conversions to and from Word
11:17 asciilifeform the current item is problematic on (hypothetical, i don't have one for which gnat builds) 8-bit archs
11:17 asciilifeform because 8 bits is not enough to index a useful number of 8-bit words
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11:17 mod6 The hope here is... when these changes are made, the given inputs still match the expected outputs.
11:17 trinque http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-13#1724863 << nope, not deedbot. Framedragger's bot?
11:17 a111 Logged on 2017-10-13 13:14 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-13#1724860 << trinque was this a deedbot feature ?
11:18 * mod6 looks
11:18 asciilifeform so there has to be a synthetic (i.e. Unsigned_32 ) type , that on archs that have narrower bitness than that, ends up a doubleword
11:18 asciilifeform and FZ array gotta be indexed ~by~ it
11:19 asciilifeform note that this will result in exactly the same binary as builds now, on pc
11:19 mod6 see... i thought so too.. because yesterday i was digging up our conversation from august of '15 where we were looking at gnupg -- that night we had like 69 pastes.
11:19 asciilifeform but will make the code 1) more readable 2) buildable for 8bit, in theory, cpu
11:19 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-13#1724860 << god damn it, nothing worse than unreliable archives.
11:19 a111 Logged on 2017-10-13 11:19 apeloyee: by the way, the bot which saved pastes on archive.is doesn't seem to do it anymore.
11:19 mod6 and Framedragger came along and did that handy thing and archived all that stuff. really, can't live without that bot.
11:19 mircea_popescu asciilifeform afaik it was a scriba feature. Framedragger !!1111
11:19 asciilifeform i tend to distrust archives, save things manually
11:19 asciilifeform esp. archives run by fuckknowswhom
11:19 mod6 that is fair.
11:20 mod6 but for the ages.
11:20 mod6 unless you wanna give me access to your drive
11:20 mircea_popescu asciilifeform theoretically it also gets the zips. at least iirc.
11:20 asciilifeform archives are a necessary thing, but really oughta be auto-mirrored
11:20 mod6 <+asciilifeform> so there has to be a synthetic (i.e. Unsigned_32 ) type , that on archs that have narrower bitness than that, ends up a doubleword << ah, i see.
11:21 asciilifeform 1 d00d and his box is really quite same as ' asciilifeform's hdd '
11:21 mircea_popescu myeah.
11:21 mod6 it adds so much to the history though. being able to see wtf we were talking about.
11:22 mircea_popescu i am loath to put "and load this website" into the eg log bot spec.
11:22 mircea_popescu mod6 yeah.
11:22 asciilifeform mod6: current ffa has no problem building and running with 32bit word; but it will not do useful work in 8/16bit msdos, and this needs fix ( i described simple fix above. my priority atm tho is barrettron and practical rsa demo )
11:22 mod6 asciilifeform: sure. makes sense.
11:23 mod6 anyway, i don't wanna be a distraction. am simply, hopefully, on a useful side-quest.
11:23 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-13#1724903 << this is why i wouldn't recommend writing tests for it for any other reason than learning / checking. it's a prototype yet, only the growth spur should be checked as it were.
11:23 a111 Logged on 2017-10-13 15:14 asciilifeform: keep in mind that ffa ( esp. the more recent items ) will change.
11:23 asciilifeform mod6: even if you only read it, and did not write, it is still not wasted time
11:23 asciilifeform i intend for the whole lot of l1, to eventually read it
11:23 asciilifeform and understand it the way a man packing a parachute understands.
11:24 mod6 agreed ^
11:24 asciilifeform in the end you will have 'written ffa' nearly same as asciilifeform had.
11:24 asciilifeform or at any rate this is the condition for success
11:24 trinque actually mircea_popescu's solution to forcing miners to hold all blocks could conceivably used to hire hosting for the archive from whoever has space. folks register with eg deedbot, must produce hash of all archived items at interval to receive a small bitcoin payout, flowing from subscribers to the archive service.
11:24 mod6 mircea_popescu: understood. it is more a learning process than anything at this point.
11:25 mircea_popescu trinque entirely feasible but let's revisit in next year.
11:25 trinque must also provide a web endpoint for the archive, etc
11:25 mircea_popescu mod6 yee
11:25 trinque sure, not going to break ground on it
11:26 mircea_popescu mod6 in any case don't completely abandon the trb-v castle, you're like our last guy there i fear
11:26 asciilifeform trinque, mircea_popescu : this is actually a variation on an ancient and imho interesting theme, the 'aeternity service' or what was it called, early attempt at 'bitcoinism' and p2p warez combo, 'proof of storage'
11:26 mircea_popescu which, incindentally, is pretty terrible.
11:26 mircea_popescu asciilifeform aha.
11:26 mod6 mircea_popescu: aha, indeed Sir.
11:27 mod6 speaking of trinque's usage of polarbeard's rawtx vpatch -- im planning to get deeper into that this month.
11:27 mircea_popescu should ideally be v-ified properly etc.
11:27 mircea_popescu !~seen polarbeard
11:27 jhvh1 mircea_popescu: I have not seen polarbeard.
11:28 asciilifeform ( incidentally recall 1980s game copyprotection lameness with elementary 'proof of storage' ?? 'answer, player, what is 51th word on 11th page paragraph 3 !1111' )
11:28 mircea_popescu eh wth.
11:28 mod6 iirc I had created a proper vpatch of the thing last year, but we never wrapped up all the testing. i'd like to revisit that.
11:28 mircea_popescu apr 2016.
11:28 * mod6 looks
11:28 mircea_popescu anyway, i tried /invite polarbeard but * polarbeard :No such nick/channel ; anyone know him irl drop a line ?
11:28 mircea_popescu pity guy left, totally got teh wrong impression re tmsr.
11:29 asciilifeform iirc was in ben_vulpes's l2 ? or trinque's ?
11:29 mircea_popescu a, was he ?
11:29 asciilifeform somebody's distant l2 ( l3 ) ? d00d
11:30 asciilifeform iirc he ended up barfing from 'all my patches rejected!111'
11:30 asciilifeform 'for arbitrary reasons, made no sense'
11:31 mircea_popescu in other tardstalk lulzgems, https://www.blackhatworld.com/attachments/fb_img_1507907065465-jpg.96283
11:31 mircea_popescu yes, complete with the pixelization and the fb_img etc.
11:31 asciilifeform i get eggog
11:31 asciilifeform 'must be logged in'
11:31 mircea_popescu let's rehost
11:31 mod6 ah yeah, i do have a rawtx on sitting here -- just needs testing. also, still have some makefile changes that are needing some testing/review. and further, want to put in some requested changes to import/dump priv key.
11:32 mod6 plenty-o-thangs
11:32 trinque the introduction of new classes should be perma-banned
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11:33 trinque http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-14#1714240
11:33 a111 Logged on 2017-09-14 05:30 trinque: in the process, realized I oughta publically denounce something in the funkenstein importprivkey/dumpprivkey patch
11:33 mod6 I dunno about perma-banned, but I do see what you mean by that trinque, in this specific case.
11:33 mod6 Submit me a vpatch, Sir.
11:33 mircea_popescu asciilifeform https://www.hispachan.org/g/src/150790945869.jpg
11:33 asciilifeform lol!
11:34 asciilifeform 'electroneum'
11:34 mircea_popescu you know ?
11:34 asciilifeform i had nfi!!
11:34 trinque mod6: I dunno how you make the thing intelligible while walking further into C++ madness
11:34 mircea_popescu perineum prolly next.
11:34 mircea_popescu if THAT dun have proof of work...
11:34 asciilifeform 'Two Digits, 14.99 ETN Feels Right'
11:34 asciilifeform gold.
11:34 mircea_popescu pretty much run-down of all stupids.
11:34 mod6 trinque: i didn't say we /should/ add more classes.
11:34 asciilifeform 'As Easy as Playing Mobile Games' 'Mine & Earn Coins From Your Phone' << slavecoin ?!!
11:34 asciilifeform !#s slavecoin
11:34 a111 46 results for "slavecoin", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=slavecoin
11:35 trinque mod6: sure sure, I admit being hyperbolic
11:35 * asciilifeform still waiting for slavecoin
11:35 trinque I do owe a few patches at this point. btw, am using sendrawtransaction with deedbot, works so far.
11:35 mod6 sweet :]
11:35 mircea_popescu trinque you won't be able to fix trb into sanity without new classes.
11:35 mircea_popescu both theory and experience show this, sadly.
11:36 mod6 and please do send 'em my way when you have time
11:36 mircea_popescu now, that they should be used sparsely is certainly true.
11:36 mod6 i know you're pretty swamped -- when you're comfortable with deedbots changes, etc. you know.
11:36 asciilifeform sooner turn pig into a professor of mathematics, than cpp trb into sanity.
11:36 trinque if they demolish old, muddy concepts that's far better than subclassing the mud
11:36 mircea_popescu asciilifeform nevermind the actual implementation. the design/concept however you call it.
11:37 mircea_popescu when we're discussiong classes we're not automatically discussing an impl. it's a data model.
11:37 asciilifeform i understood trinque to be referring to classes in literal cpp sense
11:37 mircea_popescu i did not.
11:37 asciilifeform ( based on the log link )
11:37 jhvh1 Gracias Sr. mircea_popescu!
11:37 mircea_popescu based on same lol.
11:38 mircea_popescu shinohai lol wut ?
11:38 jhvh1 It is good to be self-aware again
11:38 jhvh1 >.>
11:38 mod6 ohmahgerd, it's alive
11:38 mircea_popescu don't be doing that, not doing it is in the spec!
11:39 trinque mod6: I did lose a transaction in a node's mempool the other day using it. was clearly there, sitting, going nowhere.
11:39 trinque fed to another node, went fine
11:39 trinque I dunno who to blame for that yet
11:40 mod6 ah.
11:40 mircea_popescu trinque one working model : all the nodes node 1 was connected to decided "it is spam", because they can do this now, so they didn't forward it but also didn't tell node 1. same did not hold for node 2.
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11:41 mircea_popescu typical sybilling, happens and has happened tons, which is why it's important to talk to many nodes for payment safety.
11:41 mircea_popescu and EVEN IF maintaining a large (and, obviously, expensive) network of nodes etc, you can still run into surprises, as the bitbet issue very well illustrates.
11:41 trinque mhm. node 1 sits on a domestic line; 2, commercial. I could see it
11:42 mircea_popescu you'll end up with node lists, fingerprinting, mothership identification, the whole shebang.
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11:42 mircea_popescu if you keep money and man-hours into this, you'll eventually reach that vaunted summit.
11:42 mircea_popescu you know, like the ahrefs guy.
11:43 mod6 please do keep reporting such irregularities though.
11:43 mircea_popescu (amusingly, this node-sybil-pie entirely exists BECAUSE IT CAN exist. think in GT terms : at t1 it doesn't exist. at t2, player 1 figures out it could exist, whether it can or not, and takes defensive meansures. at t3, some bug in player1's implementation is exploited (consciously or accidentally) and now... it DOES exist.)
11:44 mircea_popescu human problem of meta is that humans can think outside the box. they end up choking each other with the unintentional by-products of that thinking.
11:44 mircea_popescu now THIS would be some interesting ecology, of the "keep the world safe for your children" kind.
11:44 mircea_popescu mental warming is a thing.
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12:05 lobbesbot !!up lobbes
12:05 deedbot lobbes voiced for 30 minutes.
12:05 lobbes http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-13#1724782 << I am more than willing to make required tweaks to get something like this working (allowing auctions to be denominated in btc as well as ecu, having lobbesbot spit out deedbot invoice, etc)
12:05 a111 Logged on 2017-10-13 01:55 mircea_popescu: trinque can directly push lobbes 's bot into it, what more is needed ? we have all the parts.
12:05 lobbes Also gotta figure out where auctions would happen. I'd imagine #t wouldn't be keen on the auctions taking place in this channel. Would be a lot of added noise.
12:06 mircea_popescu lobbes yeah, we'll get to this in the coming weeks.
12:06 mircea_popescu tbh, i don't think doing it in #trilema is either unfeasible or a bad idea.
12:06 mircea_popescu the forum happens in the marketplace for a reason.
12:07 lobbes That is a point. I can always tweak the announces to be less frequent as people see fit anyways
12:07 mircea_popescu exactly. which is why that's that way hehee
12:08 shinohai I can't remember what I did with it lobbes .... but there was a plugin that let you announce a msg only to folks subscribed to it.
12:09 trinque commerce happening here wont annoy me!
12:09 shinohai Me neither tbh
12:09 mircea_popescu shinohai you might be using different bot bases.
12:09 mircea_popescu but anyway, yes, all sorts of options available. can readily just use pastebin if it gets bad
12:10 mircea_popescu though honestly, may take a while for it to become a problem.
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12:46 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-13#1725034 << the fundamental problem is the ~completely imaginary incentive structure for the expected node operations ( store, verify, relay)
12:46 a111 Logged on 2017-10-13 15:40 mircea_popescu: trinque one working model : all the nodes node 1 was connected to decided "it is spam", because they can do this now, so they didn't forward it but also didn't tell node 1. same did not hold for node 2.
12:46 asciilifeform see also canonical thread http://btcbase.org/log/2017-02-25#1618589 .
12:46 a111 Logged on 2017-02-25 23:22 mircea_popescu: basically nodes are the digital equivalent of women : men fuck them so the state can have babies. hurr durr, pill plox.
12:46 mircea_popescu ell of course
12:47 asciilifeform the 'because you oughta!11' relaying can and does end up in same place as other 'because you oughtas' socialisms
12:47 asciilifeform it is, to lift from another mircea_popescu article, 'a thrown brick, not airplane'
12:50 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-13#1725038 << every time i sit down to think about this megaproblem , inevitably come to the conclusion that the threeway cut was a mistake
12:50 a111 Logged on 2017-10-13 15:42 mircea_popescu: you'll end up with node lists, fingerprinting, mothership identification, the whole shebang.
12:51 mircea_popescu the problem is that they're not automatically diffedrent just because they could be.
12:51 mircea_popescu satoshi made an engineering mistake, taking the assumption the wrong way
12:51 asciilifeform instead of colluding miners, mendacious nodes, and 'gimmme ERRYTHINGFORPHREEEE!' entitled users -- can in principle have 1.
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13:14 shinohai http://archive.is/CbLsp <<< If adding ethereum, shapeshit, and BitcoinCrash wasnt enough ......
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13:43 shinohai This is the lulziest bit: " If you have transactions to make around late November, we suggest you buy some Ether in our wallet today. "
13:43 mircea_popescu lol
13:43 mircea_popescu LOGIC!
13:44 mircea_popescu basically the excel-powered secret agent strategy has become "try to disrupt bitcoin by creating fud on social media". which works to... disrupt usage by the usg's own muppets, the redditards, wikitards and assoerted other dust mongers ? which is somehow bad for bitcoin, or even noticeable or something ?
13:44 mircea_popescu hey USG - take your useless sheep and drown them all for what anyone cares. seriously now.
13:45 mircea_popescu usgtronic headcount is not worth money.
13:46 asciilifeform gotta wonder how it was pictured to work -- 'if all the pennies in the sofas added up and made britney and coke, why not to make our shitcoin worth sumthing' ?
13:46 mircea_popescu more like "this bitcoin is like britney, entirely built out of pennies and walmart e-cards"
13:46 mircea_popescu hurr durr.
13:47 mircea_popescu but anyway, apparently taking a few heads here and there creates exactly no conception of own vulnerability in the rest of the heads.
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13:47 asciilifeform ( one difference, readily visible to naked eye, is that britney was made back when the sofas ~actually contained~ some pennies )
13:47 mircea_popescu there's a great gif with a stupid little girl confronting a lion from behind a glass pane.
13:48 asciilifeform it was in a trilema
13:48 mircea_popescu this has apparently become a major psychological liability for the crowd, they imagine that since everything they ever encountered was safely behind bulletproof glass, that's "just how life is".
13:48 mircea_popescu will unavoidably come to gore.
13:48 asciilifeform there was a famous incident of a d00d who went around looking for bears
13:49 asciilifeform anyone recall this ?
13:49 mircea_popescu well, these fucktards are going around looking for chtulhu.
13:49 asciilifeform ( ended up not only eaten, but with camera rolling )
13:52 mircea_popescu asciilifeform check out this lulz https://www.blackhatworld.com/seo/facebook-new-accounts.979434/#post-10480716
13:52 mircea_popescu "he tried to trick them"
13:52 asciilifeform back to spamschool for'em
13:53 asciilifeform незачет!
13:53 mircea_popescu this is what i think when i think orc engineering
13:54 asciilifeform this is what i think of sp4mz0rz of whatever type, incl. the ones with '1,000 servers' ( and previous years with 'million bots' ) etc
13:54 mircea_popescu "i tried stuffing all the stick and rock types i could find in all the holes that there were and even some that i made. why airplane not wash jocularstrap ???"
13:55 asciilifeform they're illiterates and chasing after imaginary moneys, while wrecking whatever they touch
13:55 asciilifeform ( and empowering usg 'mitigators' )
13:55 asciilifeform exactly like the wp spammer discussed in http://trilema.com/2017/remember-the-security-hole-automattic-refused-to-fix-back-in-2014
13:55 mircea_popescu an autistic child you didn't kill at the age of 7 will support a whole comicbook industry until age 70 ?
13:56 asciilifeform 1 -- prolly not, million -- could
13:56 mircea_popescu evidently.
13:56 * asciilifeform was about to say 'no 1 spammer ever wrecked anything substantial' but then recalled usenet
13:56 mircea_popescu heh
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14:14 shinohai In kitchen accessories: http://btcinfo.sdf.org/uploads/kitchenacc.jpeg
14:22 mircea_popescu are the blades inside ?
~ 32 minutes ~
14:55 asciilifeform http://p.ocdn.ee/4/i/2015/11/12/tfkyk4ty.t3l.jpg << in other mega-chix
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14:55 asciilifeform ^ head crown prosecutor of estonia ( at least at the time )
14:56 shinohai "I prosecute all the meth-heads and STEAL THEIR STASH! Bwahahahaha"
14:56 asciilifeform Kati Reitsak
14:57 asciilifeform prosecuted e.g. https://news.postimees.ee/3222207/the-assar-paulus-gang-finally-faces-court
14:57 asciilifeform apparently cult meme figure in orcdom.
14:58 asciilifeform https://s00.yaplakal.com/pics/pics_original/1/3/1/6562131.jpg << e.g.
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15:25 mircea_popescu not even a terrible gig
15:25 mircea_popescu more meth she steals more effective she gets more meth she steals etc.
15:27 mircea_popescu asciilifeform that last pic dun work for all the diff it makes
15:28 asciilifeform was doll version of reitsak
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15:43 asciilifeform and asciilifeform must confess, notterrible chix also.
15:44 asciilifeform when it's my turn to get freislered, i'd like to be tried by ~that~ freisler.
15:45 mircea_popescu de gustibus...
15:45 asciilifeform aaaha
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16:06 mircea_popescu !~ticker --market all
16:06 jhvh1 mircea_popescu: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 5549.99, vol: 27743.23574480 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 5589.5, vol: 100804.08249558 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 4280.016, vol: 0 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 5525.6, vol: 9517.72500364 | Volume-weighted last average: 5577.15568871
16:18 asciilifeform meanwhile, in ffaism, http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-13#1724861 >>>>> http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/6NmsZ/?raw=true
16:18 a111 Logged on 2017-10-13 13:13 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-13#1724859 << nifty variant, i'ma see how it compares speedwise
16:18 asciilifeform hats off to apeloyee for the tip.
~ 21 minutes ~
16:40 mod6 asciilifeform: i like the added comments in there. keep it up.
16:41 asciilifeform mod6: i will confess, very much not satisfied with the comments, prolly comments should be written by someone else -- perhaps mod6
16:41 asciilifeform or ben_vulpes , he did pretty good commentary to orig. vtron
16:43 mircea_popescu !!withdraw 0.45364891 13YczpPCDAxBWQwMmNyyAASHYR4EmbwagP
16:43 deedbot Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/rpke2/?raw=true
16:44 mod6 ah, interesting.
16:44 mod6 i do also think there could be paragraphs even written around certain procedures in ffa. but not sure if that belongs in the code, or as a corresponding document outside of the code.
16:45 asciilifeform mod6: imho detailed what-why-how belongs outside
16:45 mod6 and ya, that's what i mean, more or less. what/why/how type of explanations.
16:46 mod6 but the comments I've seen in there are helpful, as long as they are accurate.
16:46 asciilifeform asciilifeform's notion was that he'd write it against a backdrop of 'why didja do x' in l0gz
16:46 asciilifeform ( otherwise same problem as writing 'faq' without anyone actually having asked any q )
16:48 mod6 perhaps -- i certainly think it's good to link l0gz in footnotes or whatnot. the what/why/how doc aught to summarize all of thinking/decision making that went into the code.
16:48 mod6 i'm probably getting ahead of myself though. was just saying "*thumbs-up*" on comments.
16:48 mod6 :]
16:48 asciilifeform lolk
16:48 asciilifeform this is not bad time to ask the tuned-in folx, what parts of ffa they would like to see explained in moardetail.
16:52 mircea_popescu ifaq
16:52 mircea_popescu qtshbfa
16:53 asciilifeform iirc there was a 'cpp ifaq'
16:53 asciilifeform riotously lulzy piece
17:07 mod6 Here's a dumb question...
17:07 mod6 what does 'P' stand for when you say "FZ_OddP" or "FZ_EvenP" ... etc? Parameter?
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17:43 mircea_popescu in other lulz - forum chick got warned for posting inappropriate content, in the shape of basically a rewrite of http://trilema.com/2017/remember-the-security-hole-automattic-refused-to-fix-back-in-2014/ (and a ton of bois pm-ing excitedly about "omg i saw that thread before it was deleted, r u real haxxor???").
17:44 mircea_popescu apparently the black hat is black from pantsuit dust.
17:51 BingoBoingo lol
17:52 BingoBoingo Looks like the Pinoys can't do it: "hello sir I'm sorry to inform you that it is not possible to met your requirement of 14Gigabits but our offer of 10mbps for 504 USD and  we can upgrade that as your needs increase still stands." -jolo
17:52 mircea_popescu a 10mbps rack ?!
17:52 BingoBoingo 4srs
17:53 mircea_popescu what is this lulz.
17:53 BingoBoingo Island brain damage?
17:54 BingoBoingo For context that was his answer to: "
17:54 BingoBoingo I really need something much closer to 14 Gigabits per second. I understand that this will have a price attached to it."
17:54 BingoBoingo Which I offered in reply to his first mention of 10mbps hoping he got the letters confused
17:55 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-13#1725153 << predicate
17:55 a111 Logged on 2017-10-13 21:07 mod6: what does 'P' stand for when you say "FZ_OddP" or "FZ_EvenP" ... etc? Parameter?
17:55 asciilifeform lispworld tradition.
~ 24 minutes ~
18:20 mod6 ahh, gotcha. thx
~ 41 minutes ~
19:02 shinohai http://archive.is/cUss2 << Sadly there is no qntra for these lulz
~ 19 minutes ~
19:22 mircea_popescu in even further lulz, there apparently exists a dharvard university in indja.
19:31 shinohai Maybe Preet can get a job there lol
19:32 mircea_popescu i expect.
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20:07 deedbot http://trilema.com/2017/cemetery-junction/ << Trilema - Cemetery Junction
20:07 deedbot http://trilema.com/2017/cemetery-junction/ << Trilema - Cemetery Junction
20:14 mircea_popescu and in other hurr durrs, https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/74fvvx/unpopular_solution_agree_to_2mb_hf_written_by/dnyfcig/
20:21 shinohai "Who cares about the Trilema guys. Let them use their own altcoin."
20:21 shinohai top kek
20:22 mircea_popescu somehow the stealing-by-name thing is really deeply ingrained in the muppet skull by now.
20:22 mircea_popescu (in case anyone's curious, rassah is random faggot mildly famous for having stolen his bf's cash to buy right before a jump and then proudly selling it all and buying a car. 2013 iirc.)
20:23 mircea_popescu lotta "i am so smart! i am so smart! sold out of btc at 36. s-m-r-t!"
20:23 shinohai xD
20:24 mircea_popescu !!rated rassah
20:24 deedbot mircea_popescu rated rassah 1 at 2014/07/15 11:54:19 << Old timer.
20:24 shinohai bwahahaha
20:25 mircea_popescu !!rate rassah -1 http://logs.bvulpes.com/trilema?d=2017-10-14#221785
20:25 deedbot Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/awb3Y/?raw=true
20:28 hanbot i googled trilema today, typing even four characters more on a tablet is annoying. Trilema, url, description, "Bitcoin" ... "MPEx" ... "I ate some pie"
20:28 mircea_popescu sounds about right.
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23:27 shinohai mircea_popescu gibes me reddit account, I start trolling, now my head hurts: http://archive.is/tG3SX
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