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00:42 mircea_popescu spyked https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VWJAZg4dAlo had me in stitches over some new year's, but i suspect entirely untranslatable.
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00:44 mats http://www.cnn.com/2017/10/08/world/us-turkey-halt-visa-service/index.html
00:45 mircea_popescu this is going well...
00:55 mircea_popescu here's one for BingoBoingo http://www.beatmort.ro/aberatii/jokes.php
00:57 BingoBoingo lol, that's a well circulated copypasta
00:57 mircea_popescu my first time.
00:57 BingoBoingo And yet I re-read
00:59 * asciilifeform saw these on bbsen in '90s
00:59 mircea_popescu pretty much where this is from im sure.
00:59 asciilifeform whenever i see 'pontiac' auto, i think of this .txt, having literally NO other context for it
01:00 BingoBoingo lol
01:00 mircea_popescu is it weird that there's no women in the list ? just jew nigger mexican ?
01:00 asciilifeform that was separate .txt
01:00 mircea_popescu something happened between the 1980s and the 2010s didn't it.
01:00 asciilifeform '... snail trail!' etc
01:00 mircea_popescu asciilifeform was that separate .txt something re wives ?
01:00 asciilifeform various
01:01 asciilifeform 'how do you know that devil exists?' 'woman's head not flat, cannot hold cup', etc
01:01 mircea_popescu "when my wife saw how many bottles of wine i bought for new year's, she bid me take them to the bathroom and dump them down the drain. i did as she said, because the wife is that person one shares with all life's happiness and unhappines. and sadness. and misfortune. and catastrophe. and all other disasters that wouldn't have happened had one not married."
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01:02 asciilifeform bawatt
01:02 mircea_popescu from the above linked malaele piece.
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02:31 deedbot http://trilema.com/2017/ballad/ << Trilema - Ballad...
~ 21 minutes ~
02:53 ben_vulpes apparently it is bad manners to bother chinese people about business during the mid-autumn festival
02:56 mircea_popescu the who now ?
02:57 mircea_popescu oh the mooncake thing.
02:57 ben_vulpes (apropos of nothing)
02:57 mircea_popescu i thought that was last week
02:57 ben_vulpes mhm
02:58 mircea_popescu it's some dating thing.
03:01 ben_vulpes i have no firsthand idea, but i got the impression the party was for an entire week and nobody was going to be interested in hearing from auslanders for the duration.
03:02 mircea_popescu earlier today i heard from soem guy complaining about "how his job sucks", because he got moved to a new projkect for 3rd time past month, and it's such a waste because now he has to reload whatever.
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03:03 mircea_popescu and i was thinking "they moved YOU. why are you thinking in terms of the company/job/whatever ?"
03:05 ben_vulpes as opposed to?
03:05 mircea_popescu as opposed to "i suck so much, they keep bumping me to various projects"
03:07 ben_vulpes does the dude have otherwise spot-on analyses of his weaknesses and folks' opionions of him?
03:07 mircea_popescu in other words : if small yellow guy dun wanna be disturbed, it's possibly not because last week's festival.
03:07 ben_vulpes ah
03:10 * ben_vulpes winces at the self-crit
03:10 mircea_popescu i've no idea man, i'm just thinking outloud.
03:10 mircea_popescu as phf says, "from first principles".
~ 1 hours 19 minutes ~
04:30 deedbot http://trilema.com/2017/republican-flight-manual/ << Trilema - Republican Flight Manual
~ 49 minutes ~
05:19 davout "A superior pilot uses his superior judgment to avoid situations which require the use of his superior skill."
~ 2 hours 8 minutes ~
07:28 davout would the republic be interdasted in colocating boxes in central african republic?
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07:29 davout former customer of mine is apparently in the process of putting together a DC there
~ 26 minutes ~
07:56 spyked http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-08#1723083 <-- this is a sad truth, also at individual level. incidentally makes very easy to sift through the chaff of non-thinking ppl.
07:56 a111 Logged on 2017-10-08 21:25 mircea_popescu: they adhere to anything.
07:58 spyked btw, the recent discussions re schengen are lulzy (basically a rehash of the old ones, plus-minus the talks about "refugees" etc.). which brings back that old piece http://trilema.com/2013/no-seriously-not-much-of-a-priority-anymore/
08:04 spyked http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-09#1723282 <-- spyked puts this on the list; http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-09#1723300 <-- pretty good, but the gestures, still untranslatable. are there any good anglo comedians who can do a drunk these days?
08:04 a111 Logged on 2017-10-09 04:42 mircea_popescu: spyked https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VWJAZg4dAlo had me in stitches over some new year's, but i suspect entirely untranslatable.
08:04 a111 Logged on 2017-10-09 05:01 mircea_popescu: "when my wife saw how many bottles of wine i bought for new year's, she bid me take them to the bathroom and dump them down the drain. i did as she said, because the wife is that person one shares with all life's happiness and unhappines. and sadness. and misfortune. and catastrophe. and all other disasters that wouldn't have happened had one not married."
08:14 phf http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-07#1680305 << https://www.wired.com/1996/05/gassee/ a '96 wired article about bebox (but more so about Be head, Gassée), the article is framed by a gratuitous road trip from palo alto to black rock desert (i.e. burning man site) hot springs
08:14 a111 Logged on 2017-07-07 23:52 phf: mondo 2000, the proto valley crowd, i think we had the thread. basically, jwz.
08:15 phf should've added `entomology tag
08:19 phf http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-09#1723141 << fwiw arrows were emergent, from an already well established at the time convention. but i agree with http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-09#1723119
08:19 a111 Logged on 2017-10-09 02:14 asciilifeform: but i'd rather see a cleaner method where it happens via the usual phf backarrow
08:19 a111 Logged on 2017-10-09 02:03 mircea_popescu: i confess i tried to introduce `tickmarks into my process as such, but it ends up ~looking~ fucking retarded. i'm not even know if it just looks that way but isn't, or actually is. huge inertia against it though.
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09:02 shinohai In whitewashing news: http://archive.is/TPytX
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09:50 BingoBoingo <davout> former customer of mine is apparently in the process of putting together a DC there << What would international connectivity be like? Would it be a repeat of http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-06#1721926 (datacenter in vietnam)
09:50 a111 Logged on 2017-10-06 19:38 BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> poorly porous to us, but theoretically even moar so to pantsuit << Appeal of jungle is non-interference in white man's affairs. Downside is shifting past marketing speak to discover "1GBP/s unmetered (30Mb/s international)"
09:53 BingoBoingo spyked: The Anglo Comedian's guild banned humour. For laffs you need to consult foreigners and scabs
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10:10 spyked heh. good thing we have them to survive the humourpocalypse. :D ftr, there is ro equivalent for this, under the popular term "glume de autobaza" ("depot jokes")
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10:39 mod6 mornin', finally caught up on yesterday's megal0g
10:49 mircea_popescu davout yes.
10:50 mircea_popescu spyked silviu gherman could do it, if anyone ever told him to. and by told i mean a certain thing, which brings us right back to "cow's milk will be wasted without management with enough sense to milk it"
10:51 mircea_popescu he's perhaps the best example in this vein, even if not as well known as say MGM cartoon division.
10:59 spyked mircea_popescu, will drop him a line when I have some text to show him (will ofcourse ask for your gracious feedback first)
11:00 mircea_popescu if anyone managed to forgot just what a midget assgirl is, https://static3.mansionglobal.com/production/media/article-images/38367d66455c44d0c18fa3cf29c8e834/large_tay.jpg
11:00 spyked meanwhile, lulz: http://teleschpenker.com/teleschpenker/contact/ diff(displayed addr, linked addr) is one letter (I wonder if this was intentional)
11:01 mircea_popescu teleschpenker lol
11:01 mircea_popescu spyked well, cc for ssafety lol
11:03 mircea_popescu spyked also http://trilema.com/2012/despre-cum-silviu-gherman-ruleaza-si-alte-cacaturi-irelevante-pe-care-le-tot-adaug-eu-in-articole-cit-si-mai-ales-in-titluri-ca-sa-nu-se-poata-citi-nimic-de-catre-nimeni/#comment-84669 ftr.
11:11 mircea_popescu phf it's good that wired uses https to protect its readers. for instance it protected me from reading or archiving it, which i estimate to be a value add.
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11:14 asciilifeform meanwhile, in the world of brittardation lulz: https://archive.is/bkkm7 >> 'Home Secretary Amber Rudd will say those found guilty of repeatedly viewing terrorist material could face up to 15 years in jail. The new law will extend an existing ban on downloading and possessing the content on a PC to repeatedly watching it through sites like YouTube. Ms Rudd said: “I want to make sure those who view despicable terrorist content online
11:14 asciilifeform including jihadi websites, far-right propaganda and bomb-making instructions face the full force of the law.'
11:14 spyked mircea_popescu, re comment, had no idea this happened. I'll admit I haven't followed him (digested a few, such as the "ma fut in ea de ploaie" piece), so will review.
11:15 mircea_popescu the brits are pretty lulzy with their statist hallucinations aren't they.
11:16 mircea_popescu spyked trilema stands far outside the following abilities of any single man! but yes, we eknow each other for years nao.
11:18 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: in very other noose, http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/hIp2p/?raw=true
11:18 mircea_popescu ftr : the "bus depot jokes" are not an equivalent here. they are crass, which is to say employ a certain drastic sort of romanian. but otherwise "balada pizdei" was written by topirceanu, "povestea pulii" by creanga, these are all "intellectuals" ie of the literary canon.
11:19 spyked yeh, this was re. scabs
11:19 mircea_popescu romania never actually had a guild in the sense seen now in the us ; not even during the ceausescu times.
11:20 mircea_popescu asciilifeform ahahaha /29 Subnets ?! what the fguck is wrong with these people. the dead dulap had a c block. the dead other server idem. what the fuck already.
11:21 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: the custom in india appears to be 'death by nickel and dime', 'here's a toilet, if you want paper that's extra'
11:21 mircea_popescu also, hostdime is not on the list.
11:21 mircea_popescu orlando, florida co. and exactly biofilm not dc, as a separate concern.
11:22 asciilifeform it was example of what's come back so far. all liquishit.
11:22 mircea_popescu aha.
11:22 asciilifeform possibly it is not even possible to drill through the biofilm without a wot in.
11:22 mircea_popescu failure is not a possible end result here.
11:23 asciilifeform continued iteration is the result.
11:23 mircea_popescu but for the record, the notion of "a full rack" WITHOUT a c block is laughable.
11:23 asciilifeform is ip space scarce in orcistans ?
11:23 mircea_popescu no.
11:24 mircea_popescu also there's no "global warming" happening in orcistan, and also pedophiles didn't suddely become interested in highschoolers.
11:24 asciilifeform then 'oh hey foreign rube, we can chisel!' ?
11:24 mircea_popescu also there's not a huge crime rate driving "inseguridad", also there's absolutely no market for uber, and so fucking following.
11:24 trinque > indian
11:24 trinque asciilifeform: ^
11:24 mircea_popescu they spend too much time on curated usgardens.
11:24 asciilifeform trinque: subj was indeed an item from india.
11:25 trinque folks like to haggle
11:25 asciilifeform trinque: 'biofilm' however does not haggle
11:26 asciilifeform it offers the crud it got via mothership, for no less a price than what mothership prescribed
11:26 mircea_popescu um.
11:27 mircea_popescu it's biofilm not steel plating.
11:31 mircea_popescu "an architect is someone who wasn't man enough to get an engineering degree, but also not gay enough to go into fashion design."
11:31 mircea_popescu "a boyscout is a kid dressed like an idiot under the orders of an idiot dressed like a child."
11:32 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: interestingly india co having no advertised u.s. presence is apparently a rarity
11:32 asciilifeform ( at least per asciilifeform's detective work thus far )
11:32 mircea_popescu well, if your detective work occurs in the us advertising market...
11:32 asciilifeform lolwat
11:33 mircea_popescu asciilifeform there's a trivial case where the observed property would be necessariyl true, what.
11:33 mircea_popescu same discussion as http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-09#1723312
11:33 a111 Logged on 2017-10-09 07:02 mircea_popescu: earlier today i heard from soem guy complaining about "how his job sucks", because he got moved to a new projkect for 3rd time past month, and it's such a waste because now he has to reload whatever.
11:35 asciilifeform yeayea everybody in mircea_popescu's eyes is reddit until proven innocent
11:36 mircea_popescu what'd you want me to say!
11:36 asciilifeform hey at one time asciilifeform was a stereotypical 'HAVE you tried PLUGGING it IN ?!' sysop. and it was most of the time... the correct answer
11:37 mircea_popescu happens to me to this day. drives teh girls up the wall in angry shame, but i dun hold it against them.
11:38 mircea_popescu "a software engineer is the person solving a problem you didn't know you had in a manner you don't understand."
11:38 asciilifeform nah
11:38 asciilifeform ...failing to solve...
11:38 asciilifeform is the correct version.
11:39 mircea_popescu quite on point, let me tell you about this "threading" model minigame is currently battling with.
11:40 mircea_popescu so, idiots made "threads" because hey, they read on expert-sex-change that threads are better. the server thereby has a networking thread, an event manager thread, and a db thread.
11:40 asciilifeform ugh sounds like trb
11:40 mircea_popescu a) none of these are respawned if killed ; b) all of these die within the second if any dies ; c) none of these are capable to multispawn under load.
11:40 asciilifeform ahhahaha exactlylike trb
11:40 mircea_popescu so basically they made a thread to "replace" the work the os does with the tcp stack, for instance.
11:40 mircea_popescu which is ~safe, because the os doesn't need help anyway.
11:41 asciilifeform like trb! ( but i'ma not repeat, because at this point everybody knows )
11:41 mircea_popescu i am vaguely amazed they don't have a "special" thread to handle what x does anyway, ie kbd buffering./
11:41 asciilifeform wait that wasn't what was meant by 'events thread' ??
11:41 mircea_popescu asciilifeform i just can't grasp wtf is going on in the rakim skulls.
11:41 mircea_popescu asciilifeform the main program loop, basically.
11:42 asciilifeform btw what is the subj ? the qt-like 'swiss army knife' lib used by eulora ?
11:42 mircea_popescu well, that and its interaction with legacy code.
11:43 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: is this what the eulora folx spend most of their time on?? fighting with eldrich horror graphics lib?!
11:43 mircea_popescu why would anyone think this is what threads are.
11:43 mircea_popescu asciilifeform it's not merely graphics lib. does ~everything except the actual game mechanics.
11:44 asciilifeform aah so 'a qt'
11:44 mircea_popescu but yes, it's roughly the equivalent of "oh, you want to have your monitor display your wedding pics correctly ? guess who's rewriting linux."
11:44 mircea_popescu asciilifeform just about.
11:45 asciilifeform re 'why would anyone think to use threads' -- this is not mega-puzzle. naggum described similar situation in the bulldozer essay. imbecile sees an obstacle, reaches for the most obvious available power tool that seems to push aside the obstacle; without giving half a shit what's behind it, woods, swamp, mountain, or where the earth he pushed aside will go, and how it might interact with him later, etc
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11:46 mircea_popescu yes, but rather than have an a-b-c threaded thing where if b dies a immediately follows, you might as well have a cleanner and neater abc.
11:46 mircea_popescu and shorter and more maintainable and everything else.
11:46 asciilifeform in this case the obstacle was, likely, 'operation that crashes the proggy'. to imbecile such as shitoshi, the answer is naturally 'put it in infinitely respawning thread'
11:46 mircea_popescu who the fuck approves "threading" to not do threading with.
11:46 asciilifeform thread likewise seems like 'answer' to 'this operation can block'
11:46 mircea_popescu so they didn't have queues where they grew up ?
11:46 asciilifeform see also canonical http://btcbase.org/log/2016-01-21#1379603 .
11:46 a111 Logged on 2016-01-21 13:29 asciilifeform: 'if i make it what i think is the right size, it crashes!111'
11:47 mircea_popescu asciilifeform the perceived liberty to tinker!
11:47 mircea_popescu "my twiddling the value knob is how you do science!"
11:47 mircea_popescu evidently the principal value of engineer school is to teach the veal where he hasn't the fucking liberty to tinker -- which is ALMOST EVERYWHERE.
11:48 asciilifeform what's the reason to think any of the culprits had any schooling ?
11:48 mircea_popescu cuz they're euro twerps.
11:48 mircea_popescu it's more likely they had schooling than it is they had food.
11:49 mircea_popescu for maximum lulz : http://trilema.com/2012/amir-taaki-has-done-and-continues-to-do-huge-disservice-to-anyone-serious-involved-in-bitcoin/ was at some unclear point and in some unclear capacity to some degree involved!
11:49 mircea_popescu and to preempt the "why are you using this" naive question : it is BY FAR, in its sorry state significantly worse than described and likely worse than couldf be described, STILL and BY VERY FAR way the4 fuck better than anything else out there.
11:50 mircea_popescu look into fucking unity, for one.
11:50 asciilifeform the derp who 'i am an orc and tinker because what else' and 'i am a phd and tinker because i am god and bow to me, peons' converge to very similar result, sorta like the new world and old world vulture are unrelated birds but look quite alike and have same diet and habits
11:51 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: is the domain in question specifically 'public 3d engine libs' ?
11:51 mircea_popescu no.
11:51 mircea_popescu the domain in question is "game libs which i can control"
11:51 asciilifeform 'unity' dun look like a 'can control'
11:52 mircea_popescu nothing does, because all the `dumb:http://trilema.com/2017/friday-night-or-las-moiras-revisited/ cunts think themselves emancipated now and why sould they take orders!! from anyone!!!1
11:52 mircea_popescu meanwhile why the fuck would i build on the insanity of uncontrolled basis.
11:53 mircea_popescu "oh we updated, deprecating feature x" ? seriously ?
11:53 asciilifeform seems almost like it'd be worth the expense to make own.
11:53 asciilifeform ( from my admittedly distant perch )
11:53 mircea_popescu asciilifeform this is exactly what this is. we're making own by eating away the dumbass snail at ant's pace.
11:53 mircea_popescu s.mg is manned by termites, basically.
11:53 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: is it working as intended, or is the result trb-like ( 'life support patient' ) ?
11:54 mircea_popescu it's working pretty well, at significant engineeer-hours expense.
11:56 asciilifeform the picture mircea_popescu described is imho typical
11:56 mircea_popescu kinda why i took the trouble. it is exactly the picture afaik.
11:56 asciilifeform it is exactly what i found when i cut open prb5.3; and gpg; etc
11:56 mircea_popescu so no -- the "bazaar" does NOT fucking work. not in the slightest bit, not at all whatsoever.
11:57 mircea_popescu and in fact the term is deeply descriptive. the result of the approach is very strictly an open defecation field with some colorful plastic affixed to randomly distributed, rotting wood poles.
11:58 mircea_popescu and the fact that conclaves of idiots and imbeciles, however you label them, wired and wikipedia and etcetera won't gush about how "mp is famous about writing the definitive work on "bazaar" style development" is simply an argument here, and no further consideration.
11:59 mircea_popescu i remember very clearly who i am, and for very good reasons can't recall that schmuck whatever his name was.
12:00 mircea_popescu phf you never commented on how dumb/palatable the `tag:url thing is to your eye.
12:00 asciilifeform https://archive.is/6Snbe << meanwhile, in the land of the homebrew caesar cipher experts and nsa provocateurs : 'A dizzying number of companies offer these sorts of phones all across the world: Phantom, Global Data, Encrochat, Secure Mobile, PublicPGP, PGPClass, Elite, Fortis Iceland PGP, and many more.'
12:03 asciilifeform 'In Manupassa’s case, after Dutch authorities seized Ennetcom’s servers they pushed a message out to all of the firm’s phones: if you’re, say, a doctor, lawyer, or other non-criminal user of the devices, please get in touch. No one responded to the message, even though, according to court records, Ennetcom had some 20,000 users.' << sooo precious
12:06 mircea_popescu lol this is proof that users are not jew-eligible for jew-marriage with the "criminology phds" over at "dutch authorities" ?
12:06 mircea_popescu "they said there'd be doctors here!!11"
12:09 asciilifeform reminiscent of the 'private internet access' scamola, but for higher-budget chumpers
12:10 mircea_popescu i don't comprehend what the "seizing of server" did for a pgp phone service.
12:10 asciilifeform 'pgp'
12:10 mircea_popescu phuctor got seized and so what ? nobody messaged me to ask if i'm a doctor.
12:10 asciilifeform in so far as i can tell, none of these items have anything to do with even kochian pgp
12:11 asciilifeform they're exactly 'private internet access co'
12:11 mircea_popescu except for the one that does, but a) is too ineptly proud to be here and b) nobody can possibly hear about him through the biofilm before he gets dooglus 'd out of the market.
12:12 asciilifeform i too would like to meet the d00d who , e.g., wrote nonleaking realtime rsa , made a modem around it, made own FG, etc
12:12 mircea_popescu ikr
12:14 mircea_popescu EVEN IF IT WERE LEAKING.
12:15 mircea_popescu i wouldn't mind the dood who hacked off rsa from koch pgp and made a server that just passed encrypted comms. that's it.
12:15 mircea_popescu just this kindergarten level bar, "the server held no plaintext whatsoever".
12:15 asciilifeform asciilifeform's 'hacked off koch' has been sitting right there on www since 2015.
12:15 asciilifeform who wants -- go, do
12:16 asciilifeform 350k of txt
12:17 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: it isn't clear to me for what a phone needs a server
12:18 mircea_popescu i expect they use it for routing. nfi.
12:18 mircea_popescu why do we use freenode rather than gossipd ?
12:18 asciilifeform all it needs is a http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-20#1687276
12:18 a111 Logged on 2017-07-20 18:28 asciilifeform: the only quasi-reliable method ( 'udp hole punch' ), used by , e.g., 'skype', STILL requires a 3rd party non-natted box to broker the connection
12:18 mircea_popescu well... you recall the convo. at the least you're using the ephemereal connectors as then discussed.
12:19 asciilifeform ( i.e. for the nodes of the network to know at all times of at least 1 member among them who has external ip )
12:20 asciilifeform point being, if you have a net made of gsm modems that can throw packets , you do not need a relay through which 'all calls' go - at all
12:20 asciilifeform all you need is some way to help the nodes to open udp-hole to one another.
12:20 mircea_popescu well, might want to get it anyway, fill hdd with naked pictures of the wives of "dutch authorities"
12:20 asciilifeform this in point of fact is how 'skype' worked prior to microshit having swallowed it.
12:24 asciilifeform ( observe that for hole punching, the 'server' does not need to be a heavy duty box that sits as 'star topology apex', but can be any of one or more boxes among the nodes themselves , at a particular time, with external ip. )
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12:24 * mircea_popescu recalls the convo!
12:24 asciilifeform aite.
12:25 asciilifeform ( imho word 'server' is inherently misleading in this domain; oughta call 'masters' and 'slaves' , the brokers and those relying on'em respectively )
12:28 mircea_popescu "there will be a moscow exhibition of arts by over 100 sculptors and painters of the soviet republics. these were executed over the past five years."
12:28 asciilifeform lolwat
12:28 asciilifeform wunders of mistranslation?
12:28 mircea_popescu yeah
12:38 asciilifeform btw let's do the phone thing, briefly. a 4096b rsa modexp can carry 4096b , i.e. 512byte, of payload sans padding. let's conservatively suppose that padding ( and hash auth, or whatever, and/or lubyzation, etc ) costs half of the payload room. so you get 256 byte per 4096b modexp;
12:38 asciilifeform there are voice compressions that give quite satisfactory speech with ~300 byte/sec bandwidth
12:39 asciilifeform ... it follows that a 0.85sec 4096b modexp is all you need for a reasonable 'rsa phone' item.
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12:39 asciilifeform ( this is quite attainable using the ffa we have ~today~, supposing one allows karatsuba to split 3way on 3 cores of whatever chip you have )
12:40 asciilifeform now if anybody still used phones...
12:41 asciilifeform ( and yes a 0.85s item will have to buffer, and it will feel somewhat like talking to lunar base. so wat. )
12:43 asciilifeform a clever buffering scheme would work mircea_popescu-style, by sending otp rngolade during idle pauses in conversation, and thereafter using.
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13:25 mircea_popescu there's no practical way to do rsa for realtime comms, as per http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-01#1719192
13:25 a111 Logged on 2017-10-01 20:57 mircea_popescu: not actually usable for eulora as such, is it.
13:25 mircea_popescu so not really anything to do.
13:25 asciilifeform um didja read above ?
13:25 mircea_popescu sure.
13:25 asciilifeform so what's 'no practical' ?
13:26 mircea_popescu projection is a function of EXTANT items and ONLY extant items. projections based on projections are called global warming science.
13:26 asciilifeform above based on extant item.
13:26 mircea_popescu notrly.
13:28 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: what's missing from your pov ?
13:29 mircea_popescu the rsatron.
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13:52 asciilifeform modexp ~= rsatron ( there is also keygen, but from pov of gedankenexperiment re 'what bandwidth?' you dun need it )
13:56 asciilifeform i'd concur with mircea_popescu that one ought not connect ffa to, e.g., icbm, until it comes with proofs for all of the components, etc. -- but we do have a working modexp, from which can extrapolate pessimal speed ( it will get faster, but let's assume for said calculation that it will not )
13:56 mircea_popescu yeah well. there's no ~= in this arithmetic. if rsatron has been in production for a while and functioning correctly we can revisit these.
13:57 asciilifeform how's it ever to 'in production' if mircea_popescu spits 'until in production' , lol
14:00 mircea_popescu hm ?
14:00 trinque simultaneously signaling "this is a prototype, will sever your limbs and fuck your wife" and "pls to use" aren't you?
14:00 trinque there was a whole thing about pastebin snippets being fine because not ready for vpatch
14:00 asciilifeform trinque: i won't recommend to take current ffa and put in battlefield . but proposed to calculate a bandwidth assuming current degree of ughslow
14:01 asciilifeform strictly this.
14:01 mircea_popescu no such thing is possible, for lack of... the item.
14:01 mircea_popescu quantifying "a single aspect" of "how stewardess would look in airplane i've not yet bought" is no better than quantifying any other / all of them.
14:02 asciilifeform i dun get why mircea_popescu equates the present situation with a complete lack of the item
14:02 mircea_popescu because it's not had a significant history in production yet, which is what "item exists" means for the needs of future projection.
14:02 asciilifeform what'd qualify as 'in production' ?
14:02 mircea_popescu in fact, as trinque aptly points out, it's not even v'd yet, let alone reviewed yet, and so following.
14:03 mircea_popescu asciilifeform that it's used by at least someone somewhere for a while. like eg, lobbes auction bot is in production.
14:03 mircea_popescu trinque 's payment thing will have been in production soonish.
14:03 mircea_popescu and so on.
14:03 asciilifeform i wouldn't disagree if thread were re ~using~. but re calculating speed ?!
14:03 mircea_popescu can not calculate anything on the basis of inexistent items.
14:09 asciilifeform the supposition that ideally-correct ffa could possibly run slower than the current one (supposing these 2 differ) i see as quite fantastic.
14:10 mircea_popescu and the people with the global warming see as quite fantastic all sorts of other theoretical contradictions of their theoretical models.
14:10 mircea_popescu the problem with theoretical models based on projecting projections is that they're not even wrong.
14:10 * asciilifeform straps on gask mask
14:18 phf http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-09#1723353 << hur, well, i appreciated Beos at the time, it is sad to see now the kind of jokers worked on it then `everything-is-made-of-shit
14:18 a111 Logged on 2017-10-09 15:11 mircea_popescu: phf it's good that wired uses https to protect its readers. for instance it protected me from reading or archiving it, which i estimate to be a value add.
14:19 asciilifeform phf: it was imho nifty. but ditching the 'own hardware, x86 can fuck itself' thing was , i suspect, the fatal mistake
14:19 asciilifeform just as similar move doomed crapple
14:21 asciilifeform microshit-intel collusion killed os/2 already when be opened -- why did be suppose it would be exempt ?
14:21 asciilifeform from same death
14:23 phf i suppose the article indirectly answers, presents the kind of mindset
14:26 phf the guy incidentally went through a bunch of interesting but failed enterprises. e.g. he worked on palm one on the downswing, later was hired as a high profile consultant by nokia, told them to ditch symbian and replace it with android.
14:26 phf in completely unrelated lulz i found v0.01 of btcbase http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/Drqc8/?raw=true
14:27 asciilifeform suggests that 'be' was interesting in spite of, rather than because of, him
14:27 asciilifeform phf: lol!
14:27 asciilifeform pretty lulzy
14:29 phf still works!
14:30 mircea_popescu agaga nb.
14:35 asciilifeform if we're doing oldies... :
14:35 asciilifeform http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/c9Wlf/?raw=true << orig. phuctor. http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/UYgmR/?raw=true << werker of same
14:37 phf asciilifeform: i think i have a C version of worker somewhere, that you posted when you were having issues with sqlite
14:37 asciilifeform phf: i dun think i ever posted the modern ( bernsteinian ) one.
14:38 phf yeah, i think that c version predates bernstein
14:39 asciilifeform anyway the above was written in a few hrs. and it is not difficult to see why thrown out.
14:41 asciilifeform but note that it does not in principle differ from the version that found the first pops.
14:45 asciilifeform phf: the bernsteinian 'werker' is also c proggy. ( phuctor , in all 4 versions to date, consisted of 2 pieces, running wholly separately )
14:46 * phf nods
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15:49 deedbot http://trilema.com/2017/why-did-the-chicken-cross-the-road/ << Trilema - Why did the chicken cross the road ?
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16:12 asciilifeform mega-piece ^
16:15 mod6 wd
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16:41 mircea_popescu ah, you enjoyed ?
16:41 mircea_popescu glad to hear, was thinking it's getting tedious after a while.
16:54 mod6 i liked, ya
16:56 mircea_popescu the problem with these is that you can in principle keep going forever.
17:04 hanbot mircea_popescu it makes a neat catalogue for picking something to read. like every other article, i suppose, but in a different format. ;)
17:04 mircea_popescu ha!
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17:43 mod6 mircea_popescu: aha, but for now, this one suffices.
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18:08 BingoBoingo Lol @Brauchian Chicken/road/God unity, as the lensgrinder intended
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18:42 asciilifeform in other noose, http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/p5TKr/?raw=true
18:42 asciilifeform ^ constant spacetime bitness finder , similar to apeloyee's
18:44 asciilifeform ( similar in that it does the thing described in the pseudo - https://archive.is/2zA45 )
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19:14 BingoBoingo !~ticker --market all
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21:45 mircea_popescu in other lulz : so us rail gauge is 1435 mm. why ? because the first us rail was built by english immigrants, who kept to the english style. but why was the english style 1435 mm ? because rail started as (horse drawn) trams, and that was the gauge they used. but why ? because when they made trams they just used the old horse carriage gauge, by reusing the same tools. but why did carriages use 1435 mm gauge ? because if they
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21:45 mircea_popescu used anything there was a significant chance to break a wheel in the road, as all the trails were built by 1435 mm wheels. but why were they ? because when the romans originally landed, they used 1435 mm wide wheelbases, which they had originally specified because it is what two average horses asses cover.
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21:45 mircea_popescu no such thing as a temporary spec!
21:48 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: this too was a 1980s txt
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21:58 mircea_popescu yup.
21:59 mircea_popescu the item goes on to point out that since SRBs had to go on rail which went through a tunnel, notwithstanding space shuttle engineers wanted wider boosters originally, the specs of the space shuttle was established millenia prior by the size of a horse's ass.
22:11 asciilifeform neglects, however, to mention wider ru gauge.
22:12 mircea_popescu well... no romans in russia.
22:12 asciilifeform not in india either, but stuck with brittardation
22:12 mircea_popescu like teh us.
22:13 asciilifeform nazis iirc almost made up their minds to build 'ideal' ( iirc 3 metres even ) rail gauge, but didn't live nearly long enuff.
22:14 mircea_popescu kinda how this works.
22:16 asciilifeform oh speaking of which, what mains voltage in cr?
22:16 mircea_popescu 120.
22:17 asciilifeform any idea why?
22:17 mircea_popescu notrly. possibly the gensets they bought back when they were building their hydro power ?
22:18 asciilifeform afaik all of south amer is 220
22:18 mircea_popescu this is teh carribean tho
22:18 asciilifeform wellyes
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