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00:06 sina alright ladies and gentlemen, off to visit some friends and have some pho
00:06 sina enjoy your remaining weekend!
00:09 ben_vulpes thanks for the debugging input phf, mircea_popescu
00:13 ben_vulpes i'm very recently hamstrung in degrees of freedom by hardware failures, so i won't be terribly responsive for the immediate future. working on it tho.
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01:09 deedbot http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/CF7104E180D93212963FB33EB49FF838B1D7C7C85384115C10C6DFDC6862D51B << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1625...2137 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '78.39.205.37 (ssh-rsa key from 78.39.205.37 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (Unknown IR 24)
01:09 deedbot http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/CF7104E180D93212963FB33EB49FF838B1D7C7C85384115C10C6DFDC6862D51B << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1679...4837 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '78.39.205.37 (ssh-rsa key from 78.39.205.37 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (Unknown IR 24)
01:20 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-16#1684855 << i'ma need a copy of your ada tarballs, to see exactly how, but it has been shitgnomed into uselessness
01:20 a111 Logged on 2017-07-16 02:00 mod6: asciilifeform: here's what I get when I grab the generic Makefile, and use your fact.tar.gz: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/RaNYu/?raw=true
01:20 deedbot http://qntra.net/2017/07/us-entertainer-kid-rock-takes-aim-at-pantsuit-senators-job/ << Qntra - US Entertainer Kid Rock Takes Aim At Pantsuit Senator's Job
01:21 BingoBoingo In other comments http://qntra.net/2017/07/bitcoin-network-difficulty-spiked-13-53-this-week/#comment-105121
01:24 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-16#1684924 << mega-puzzle is, ~where~ did it happen
01:24 a111 Logged on 2017-07-16 03:22 trinque: seems sorta like there's a double encode happening.
01:24 asciilifeform ( in curl ?! wai?! )
01:25 asciilifeform verdict so far is, makefiles dun survive being pasted.
01:31 mircea_popescu BingoBoingo usg.pinoy moved on to whining about imminent usg defeat ?
01:32 BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: Hard to tell if usg.pinoy or PRC.Chinoy
01:34 mircea_popescu asciilifeform best i can tell, wotpaste simply drops nonascii chars. was something in the makefile not ascii ?
01:38 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: absolutely not
01:38 asciilifeform no winblowz line endings either ( from where..? )
01:40 * asciilifeform bbl
01:40 trinque spent more time freaking out than producing a diff would've taken.
01:41 trinque seems it wasn't the tabs; those came back
01:45 mircea_popescu trinque i am actually running a terst and it's pretty mindboggling.
01:47 mircea_popescu here : http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/XwluN/?raw=true
01:49 mircea_popescu meanwhile running without the shasums produces http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/iKMzq/?raw=true
01:50 trinque I think echo adds a newline, for one
01:50 mircea_popescu so it'd seem an 0a/0d gets mangled ?
01:50 mircea_popescu why the fuck would it do that.
01:50 trinque just... does. and look, they gave ya a "echo -n" to undo it! choice
01:50 mircea_popescu (i don't expect it does, because look in 2nd paste. the -=== bit is produced by echo.
01:51 trinque -n do not output the trailing newline
01:51 mircea_popescu god damned that was it, -n fixes it!
01:51 mircea_popescu oMY FUCXKING GOD ALREADY
01:57 mircea_popescu anyway. now they match.
01:58 * mircea_popescu very much recommends this test : pick random textfile, put it through the above code, see if you find a dismatching line.
01:58 mircea_popescu atm watching it scroll, however many 100s of lines in, they all match.
02:01 trinque http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/nCPv5/?raw=true << just one with tabs.
02:02 trinque phf's "foo" breaks it, though really, if the thing's an ascii paster, I dunno that the bug's anything but "fed uniturds, did not tell user to fuck off"
02:02 mircea_popescu pretty sure it simply drops non-ascii chars silently. which is the right thing at that.
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02:03 mircea_popescu anyway, i'm calling it good before i fill the guy;'s disk with random lines.
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03:05 BingoBoingo !~ticker --market all
03:05 jhvh1 BingoBoingo: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 1990.18, vol: 19107.72677751 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 1980.001, vol: 7272.76637 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 1992.9, vol: 40170.85769058 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 2073.623544, vol: 13827.40170000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 1971.542, vol: 12007.1922058 | Volume-weighted last average: 2000.62804597
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11:25 phf ben_vulpes: are you using hunchentoot?
11:34 phf so it shouldn't be loosing anything in 0-127 range, at least the foo file comes through clean. it is trying to parse the input as unicode (and i'm pretty sure it's the server doing it, because curl is sending it 8bit clean)
11:34 mircea_popescu phf got a sample case to work on ?
11:35 phf because everything >127 is getting replaced with efbfbd which is unicode "REPLACEMENT CHARACTER" in utf-8
11:35 mircea_popescu phf yes but does it ever collate into an unicode character or anything of the sort ?
11:36 phf it parses input file as unicode and replaces anything that's ascii code >127 with http://www.fileformat.info/info/unicode/char/fffd/index.htm
11:37 mircea_popescu hm.
11:37 phf http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-16#1684895
11:37 a111 Logged on 2017-07-16 02:50 phf: i'm using this function http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/K916E/?raw=true to post this file http://glyf.org/tmp/foo i'm posting it by doing a command "cat foo | wotpaste"
11:38 phf foo is a specially crafted file which is simply a sequence of bytes from 0 to 255
11:38 mircea_popescu possibly there's something else afot though, because that wouldn't have afected a makefile, ie the original problem is it.
11:38 mircea_popescu no, i see that.
11:39 phf right, we're in agreement here. ascii should've remained untouched
11:40 phf i mean, we've had very many tests demonstrating it, part of ongoing "paster ate my characters" asciilifeform saga
11:40 phf but i figure i'll try pushing a binary file through (which wasn't the spec anyway, just wanted to see what actually happens)
11:41 mircea_popescu fwiw i never did manage to verify the saga was anything more than alf's extremely short fuse.
11:41 phf :>
11:41 mircea_popescu and i am not about to see 500 or 5 million instances of that morph into some kind of actual proof of anything.
11:41 phf nor would my explorations ever corroborate that
11:42 mircea_popescu anyway, so far : it's not clear that it actually does anything untoward to ascii ; my tests as they were failed to find an example. we did discover it replaces nonascii chars with some random gunk, which yes should be changed but not really much of a point or anything
11:43 mircea_popescu i thought maybe it is the case that it takes a 2 or 3 byte item which starts with valid ascii and tries to interpret it as some sort of unicode bs and in the process ends up applying a transform to the text somehow. but unless we have the actual magic string, we're not finding this.
11:43 mircea_popescu which is why i asked if you have anything like that.
11:44 mircea_popescu i tried for isntance feeding the original makefile in line by line with my comparer thing, but all the lines match.
11:47 phf so the utf-8 parser takes anything in the 0-127 range as is, so we definitely wouldn't have any "magic string" cases in the happy path (the unhappy path being that you can apparently specify file type and encoding when posting to an rfc2388 form, and the server can happily decide to transcode it in whatever way it pleases)
11:48 mircea_popescu there's no way he's fixcing that however, outside of making a whole new tmsr http
11:49 mircea_popescu meanwhile at the faux buffet, http://68.media.tumblr.com/f2bceb97702aa6374118a870fafe0bc1/tumblr_oi6f6tt2zr1stzc8to1_1280.jpg
11:50 phf https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/0e/Toshusai_Sharaku-_Otani_Oniji%2C_1794.jpg
11:50 mircea_popescu lmao
11:51 shinohai LOL
11:51 mircea_popescu bwahahaha
12:02 mircea_popescu !!up aerial
12:02 deedbot aerial voiced for 30 minutes.
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12:50 mircea_popescu eh ferfuxsake
12:50 mircea_popescu !$ssh 177.40.129.125
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13:14 deedbot http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/DBC974CE0394913DF318F937ADB15DBBD96D696597F2F644DCF58B13DD87FAE5 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1588...8217 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '169.0.96.247 (ssh-rsa key from 169.0.96.247 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' ()
13:14 deedbot http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/DBC974CE0394913DF318F937ADB15DBBD96D696597F2F644DCF58B13DD87FAE5 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1604...2403 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '169.0.96.247 (ssh-rsa key from 169.0.96.247 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' ()
13:25 Framedragger http://archive.is/download/nQLP9.zip << do you mean a copy of this file *from earlier*, or (only) to have a general mechanism for downloading these archive copies?
13:25 Framedragger i'll do the latter, as to the former, i'm afraid it doesn't have it as of yet
13:26 Framedragger ah i meant to quote http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-14#1683532
13:26 a111 Logged on 2017-07-14 16:53 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-14#1683501 >> that is the link in question, yes. it's be tremendously useful if it also had a copy of http://archive.is/download/nQLP9.zip stored somewhere.
13:27 mircea_popescu Framedragger imagine you know, five years from now the situation repeats. except then there's no tardstalk anymore. but it's ok, we have the archive link. o look, it's just a dangling link.
13:27 mircea_popescu good thing we saved it then! (tm)
13:28 Framedragger yes of course and i agree
13:28 Framedragger i just wasn't sure if you were looking for a particular downloaded-from-earlier copy of that zip file
13:28 mircea_popescu instead of that sad fate, pile them into monthl;y tarballs, deed the previous month's tarball each time a new month starts and lo! major piece of infrastructure.
13:28 Framedragger (i thought you maybe wanted to check if archive.is tampered with it; which yes we should be able to do as well)
13:28 mircea_popescu Framedragger nah, just in general.
13:28 Framedragger aha, ok. alrighty
13:29 mircea_popescu Framedragger above described mechanism will do that for free, yeah, just gotta have to care enough to put a link in log.
13:29 Framedragger yeah.
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14:04 deedbot http://qntra.net/2017/07/cuts-on-campus-follow-illinois-tax-hike/ << Qntra - Cuts On Campus Follow Illinois Tax Hike
14:05 shinohai !~ticker --market all
14:05 jhvh1 shinohai: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 1932.04, vol: 23428.84569111 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 1955.58, vol: 10221.57286 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 1919.7, vol: 49221.3374292 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 2002.933476, vol: 12473.25150000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 1923.25, vol: 13245.4099681 | Volume-weighted last average: 1935.73341543
14:05 shinohai wheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
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14:28 deedbot http://trilema.com/2017/assorted-diversities-or-how-we-went-looking-for-a-brothel-and-all-we-found-was-a-warehouse-church/ << Trilema - Assorted diversities, or how we went looking for a brothel and all we found was a warehouse church.
14:35 BingoBoingo OMG Costa Rica has warehouse churches too!!!
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15:15 mircea_popescu oya
15:20 mircea_popescu and in random vintage trilema, http://trilema.com/2013/you-probably-have-no-idea-how-funny-the-law-is/
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15:49 * BingoBoingo was a bit disappointed, this was merely traditional church building kept as warehouse. Was expecting USian phenomenon where new construction church is actually build in the manner of a warehouse. Corrugated steel and all.
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16:07 asciilifeform in other noose, achtung mod6 et al:
16:07 asciilifeform results of torture test:
16:07 asciilifeform 'Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-4800MQ CPU @ 2.70GHz' : 153m7.214s
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16:08 asciilifeform 'Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-4870HQ CPU @ 2.50GHz' (Crapple MBP) : 155m57.246s
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16:08 asciilifeform 'AMD Opteron(tm) Processor 2393 SE @ 3.1 GHz' : 298m6.240s
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16:08 asciilifeform operation is the one in http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-15#1684808 .
16:08 a111 Logged on 2017-07-15 23:16 asciilifeform: !~later tell mod6 http://nosuchlabs.com/pub/fact.tar.gz << complete kit for above. sha512==26198604bff50d3411e343a30b97f4babe3a6b291fca267435cecd6a5438a08862b550198a49dd5549dda00c841d95afc1443f597587710b83c7fa65effa9c73
16:11 asciilifeform for anyone not tuned in : ^ computes factorial of 65536.
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16:11 asciilifeform the sha512 of the output of the program, on all 3 machines, is 2540ed1fa8d4eb82916417df9136b79657c27cfc9c590d0b43fa14a03c7b2831f0371a598bd8040d7ba1ed0a6c1fd0cd87287d477388f2a2ed962f3f5601f366.
16:13 asciilifeform width, as readers of the proggy recall, is 1024000-bit.
16:13 asciilifeform the output lives now at http://nosuchlabs.com/pub/fact_out.txt , if someone knows what 65536! ought to equal -- compare and say.
16:15 phf asciilifeform: just fyi, your package of goodies compiles, i haven't ran it through, but with gdb i can catch it mostly doing Mul, and producing sensible states
16:15 mircea_popescu BingoBoingo no, that's precisely what it was.
16:15 lobbes http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-16#1685026 << >>
16:15 a111 Logged on 2017-07-16 19:49 BingoBoingo was a bit disappointed, this was merely traditional church building kept as warehouse. Was expecting USian phenomenon where new construction church is actually build in the manner of a warehouse. Corrugated steel and all.
16:15 lobbes https://i2.wp.com/www.philrosephoto.com/galleries/journalism/photos/Warehouse_Church.jpg?resize=229%2C152
16:15 asciilifeform neato phf
16:16 asciilifeform phf: something is very very very wrong with mod6's gnat, but i do not yet know what
16:16 asciilifeform ( ftr i tested it on both of the two major species of gnat )
16:16 asciilifeform i have done this continuously ever since mod6 unearthed the sharp edge with 'Image operator
16:18 phf let's see
16:18 phf !!up mimisbrunnr
16:18 deedbot mimisbrunnr voiced for 30 minutes.
16:19 phf !W (defvar *ref* (parse-integer (drakma:http-request "http://nosuchlabs.com/pub/fact_out.txt") :radix 16))
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16:19 mircea_popescu asciilifeform my 65536! is like 6710214DD etc.
16:19 asciilifeform plox to post whole thing
16:20 mircea_popescu alrighty, will later today.
16:20 phf !W (= *ref* 0)
16:20 mircea_popescu phf you need candi_lustt yes ?
16:20 shinohai !!up candi_lustt
16:20 deedbot candi_lustt voiced for 30 minutes.
16:21 phf oh right right
16:21 mircea_popescu anyway, i'll bbl.
16:21 phf !W (= *ref* 0)
16:21 candi_lustt phf: NIL
16:21 phf ok
16:21 phf !W (DEFUN FACTORIAL (N &OPTIONAL (ACC 1)) (IF (<= N 1) ACC (FACTORIAL (- N 1) (* ACC N))))
16:21 candi_lustt phf: FACTORIAL
16:21 phf !W (= *ref* (factorial 65536))
16:21 candi_lustt phf: T
16:21 phf asciilifeform: ^
16:21 BingoBoingo <mircea_popescu> BingoBoingo no, that's precisely what it was. << Ah
16:22 asciilifeform dafuq is *ref* , phf
16:23 phf it's few lines above, parse-integer'd fact_out.txt
16:23 asciilifeform can haz the interval in which the (factorial...) ran ?
16:23 asciilifeform because earlier it was for some reason nowhere
16:24 asciilifeform and incidentally in case anyone reading this is not really awake, the method of calculating factorial shown in the ada proggy is brainmeltingly dumb. you really want a tree, most of it is smallint mult
16:25 asciilifeform as displayed in phf's.
16:25 asciilifeform thing is, you can't do this with ffa.
16:27 asciilifeform i'ma guess you'd get a very similar speed, however, if you permitted http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-15#1684198 .
16:27 a111 Logged on 2017-07-15 13:00 asciilifeform: btw if you're actually doing something that doesn't need constanttime, you can simply put the obvious check-for-zero in the karatsuba and get 2-9000x boost for mul.
16:29 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-16#1685050 << lol i missed this earlier
16:29 a111 Logged on 2017-07-16 20:19 phf: !W (defvar *ref* (parse-integer (drakma:http-request "http://nosuchlabs.com/pub/fact_out.txt") :radix 16))
16:29 asciilifeform neato phf .
16:29 asciilifeform mircea_popescu you might want to get a new calculator..
16:30 phf parse-integer actually took significantly longer than factorial (i'm trying to figure out how to get a millisecond timer out of sbcl to wrap factorial to answer your question, but i don't think there's anything native)
16:31 asciilifeform if it's dwarfed by i/o, we can say it took 0!1111
16:31 asciilifeform and no joak either -- if it drowns in the noise, there is no signal.
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16:33 phf !W (let ((t0 (get-internal-run-time))) (factorial 65536) (float (/ (- (get-internal-run-time) t0) internal-time-units-per-second)))
16:33 candi_lustt phf: 4.16
16:35 asciilifeform yeah unsurprise, considering that all but a handful of the muls are singleword
16:42 BingoBoingo !!Up what
16:42 deedbot what voiced for 30 minutes.
16:42 BingoBoingo !!up whatisthis
16:42 deedbot whatisthis voiced for 30 minutes.
16:43 BingoBoingo whatisthis: Who is your daddy and what does he do?
16:44 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: looks like yet another 'strong and silent type'
16:49 whatisthis hi!
16:50 whatisthis im reading the trilema site. and I don't really understand what's going on. But I'm terribly intrigued to continue reading it
16:50 whatisthis so, my question is my nick. what is this?
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16:51 asciilifeform which this ?
16:51 whatisthis trilema
16:51 asciilifeform see the subject line for the chan ?
16:54 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-16#1684964 << there are no non-ascii chars in my input. i ran a test, of the makefile in the tarball, and ended up with http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/Au741/?raw=true
16:54 a111 Logged on 2017-07-16 06:02 mircea_popescu: pretty sure it simply drops non-ascii chars silently. which is the right thing at that.
16:54 whatisthis yes. sell all of my stuff and contribute to TMSR however I can?
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16:55 asciilifeform xxd dump of curling the paste back, http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/WOzLL/?raw=true >> many many winblowzified line endings, but seemingly intact tabs
16:58 asciilifeform gnumake is sensitive to whitespace, it is how the idiots made it. and doesn't cleanly eat winblowz line endings, which unfailingly appear whenever www liquishit is in the loop.
16:58 BingoBoingo <whatisthis> yes. sell all of my stuff and contribute to TMSR however I can? << No, first tell up who your daddy is and what does he do
16:58 BingoBoingo Then, maybe http://trilema.com/2016/how-to-participate-in-the-affairs-of-the-most-serene-republic/
16:59 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: already suggested to d00d, to read the subj line.
16:59 asciilifeform but apparently this is one of those 5minuteattentionspan modern wonders.
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17:01 phf whatisthis: trilema is some guy's personal blog. it kind of should be obvious from the format of things. typically when one discovers something, one should spend some time circling it, this way and that, trying to figure out its nature. you will gain very little by coming on "hey guyz! whacha doing here!!"
17:02 asciilifeform i often wonder, when this question is asked, what the asker expects the answer to look like.
17:02 asciilifeform 'we're painting this old toyota' ?
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17:03 phf it's a barn raising! you in? and then we'll have us a good ol' lynching!
17:03 asciilifeform nah everybody knows, first lynching, then barnraising
17:11 phf asciilifeform: i'm sure you've seen https://www.bunniestudios.com/blog/?p=4937
17:18 mod6 <+asciilifeform> results of torture test: << thanks for posting your results.
17:19 mod6 I'll be spending some time this week to try to get adacore's stuff built into gentoo with gcc. not sure now how this will go, but will let you guys know.
17:19 mod6 perhaps if i can get that working, then I can use the -cflags -O2 thing alright without issues.
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17:49 BingoBoingo <asciilifeform> nah everybody knows, first lynching, then barnraising << AHA, barn commemorates honored tree!
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18:27 asciilifeform phf: pretty neat
18:27 asciilifeform phf: now if only it weren't one of the world's largest golden toilets.
18:29 phf "why would we use it to scan what you're asking us to scan, if we can just go and get the original, lulz"
18:29 asciilifeform aaha.
18:33 asciilifeform mod6: not the problem. my thing builds on both adacore's and trad gnu gnat.
18:44 BingoBoingo From someone who dun wanna auth https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z9LwbJGh3OE
18:50 * BingoBoingo wonders if we have moved on yet from Axe Time, Sword Time on to Wind Time, Wolf Time
18:51 asciilifeform looks like still mop time, bucket time, from here.
18:52 BingoBoingo I thought that comes last
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20:34 * asciilifeform set up mod6's benchmark on a few moar comps
20:36 asciilifeform !~later tell trinque didja ever get a gnat going on your g5 ?
20:36 jhvh1 asciilifeform: The operation succeeded.
20:36 asciilifeform or ben_vulpes ^
20:36 asciilifeform who do we have with what else exotica
20:36 asciilifeform BingoBoingo..?
20:36 asciilifeform ( m68k..? )
20:37 asciilifeform jurov with arm ?
20:37 asciilifeform mircea_popescu with cray!111?
20:37 asciilifeform gabriel_laddel with old but well-configured rusty bucket?
20:38 asciilifeform 'Grishnak mit große Hammer / Zorg mit rostig Schwert / Raufen, Saufen, Schnaufen / Bis sich nichts mehr wehrt!' (tm)(r)('Zehn Orks')
20:42 asciilifeform but yes ideally somebody other than asciilifeform will stand up to do the chore of showing that thing is indeed endian-neutral ( which, unlike afaik every other bignumtron , it in fact is )
20:42 asciilifeform i dun presently have a working bigendian box here.
20:43 asciilifeform ( last g4 died while ago )
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21:16 mircea_popescu asciilifeform the blessings of reals ;/ your value's right.
21:17 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-16#1685084 << this is actually quite true.
21:17 a111 Logged on 2017-07-16 20:31 asciilifeform: and no joak either -- if it drowns in the noise, there is no signal.
21:19 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-16#1685096 << practically speaking, "this" as in #trilema would be c-span for the senate of a "terrorist organisation". best guess.
21:19 a111 Logged on 2017-07-16 20:50 whatisthis: so, my question is my nick. what is this?
21:21 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-16#1685108 << a yeah, whatever happened to the exciting kid a few days back.
21:21 a111 Logged on 2017-07-16 20:59 asciilifeform: but apparently this is one of those 5minuteattentionspan modern wonders.
21:24 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-16#1685111 << obviously the purpose of the "asking" is the stroking of the implicit assumptions of equality baked in. the question isn't "what is this ?" but rather "hey, i know i'm a guy 100% interchangeable with any/all of youze, right, i can even pm mp if i feel like it, so say something to signify your agreement, whatever it is, when i ask you hey guys what is this ?"
21:24 a111 Logged on 2017-07-16 21:02 asciilifeform: 'we're painting this old toyota' ?
21:24 mircea_popescu which is kinda funny in that it's a question crafted to bother the asker.
21:26 asciilifeform the other end of that 'we ain't fancy people' catv handshake thing
21:27 asciilifeform ( see also trilema postmortem re subj )
21:29 mircea_popescu meanwhile, in lulz of all time, some dork (arachni@email.gr / 139.59.30.233) put a bunch of "1"'`--" in vartious fields comments into trilema. BY HAND.
21:30 mircea_popescu asciilifeform just about, i expect.
21:31 asciilifeform what's "1... supposed to do..?
21:31 mircea_popescu anyway. dorks trying to interact with the world on their own terms, as if they were somehow human by plain working of nature. http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-20#1672444 in various coats of paint.
21:31 a111 Logged on 2017-06-20 14:43 mircea_popescu: sn0wmonster you're not here to learn. you're here to try and bludgeon the world into a shape your head may fit. this is the opposite of learning. learning is when you change.
21:32 mircea_popescu asciilifeform i expect the -- is supposed to do something or the other to mysql. the rest is just a selection of terminators.
21:32 mircea_popescu -- is // in mysqltalk
21:32 asciilifeform i see 3-4 of these every day
21:32 asciilifeform live, on the phuctor term
21:32 mircea_popescu by hand tho ?
21:32 asciilifeform and fuck knows how many at night, i dun even always bother to catalogue
21:33 asciilifeform at least 1 every day suggestive of 'by hand'
21:33 asciilifeform ( that, or lovingly crafted bot with delay rng )
21:36 mircea_popescu pretty sure this was the first non-automated attempt to "take over trilema!!!" since http://trilema.com/2012/the-storm-that-was-fel/#comment-90298
21:36 mircea_popescu five years.
21:38 asciilifeform somehow phuctor is a junkyard magnet for this style of nonsense. and, i imagine, a very frustrating one
21:38 asciilifeform ( shows 0 reaction )
21:41 mircea_popescu meanwhile in not-sweden, http://68.media.tumblr.com/e2df86edb0302ca576dde8238c9b43ac/tumblr_ofc4q5qmx71uaw4ceo1_400.gif
21:55 BingoBoingo asciilifeform: Portion of Zoo in operating condition as slimmed considerably
21:57 mod6 <+asciilifeform> mod6: not the problem. my thing builds on both adacore's and trad gnu gnat. << yeah not sure what the problem is. it's a binary installation of gnat via apt-get, so that, i'm sure is part of the issue. however, it works better than the first ada configuration that I had, which, didn't work at all.
21:58 mod6 My thinking is that, if i need to be able to use all the switches ad denoted in your makefile (since my mine doesn't seem to allow for that), I may need the adacore configuration.
21:58 mod6 I'd be happy to try anything on my environment for you if it were to help sus out what might be wrong with it. I truly have no idea where to begin on this thing.
22:00 BingoBoingo http://www.dailystar.co.uk/sport/ufc/624635/UFC-star-Felice-Herrig-naked-body-video-fight-footage-MMA-weigh-in?utm_source=traffic.outbrain&utm_medium=traffic.outbrain&utm_term=traffic.outbrain&utm_content=traffic.outbrain&utm_campaign=traffic.outbrain
22:00 BingoBoingo dat url, how do referrers work anymoar?
22:02 asciilifeform mod6: plz post the tarballs that your gnat was made from
22:02 asciilifeform so i can replicate your wtf.
22:03 asciilifeform ( possibly... )
22:03 mod6 not even sure if that's possible... will look
22:03 asciilifeform it had to come from somewhere, neh
22:04 mircea_popescu mod6 possibly not aptgetting a binary but instead building source may fix it for you ?
22:05 asciilifeform fwiw i have a box with the adacore bin gnat, everything worx great even there
22:05 mircea_popescu it's not all that rare that precompiled binaries are incorrectly marked and don't actually run on specific setups
22:05 mircea_popescu asciilifeform yea, but one of those things, works if it works and doesn't if it doesn't.
22:06 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: his runs but somehow barfs, for 1st time, on this particular ffa.
22:06 mircea_popescu hm
22:06 mircea_popescu that doesn't sound very much like it then huh.
22:06 asciilifeform mod6: plz repaste your barf
22:06 asciilifeform i misplaced it
22:11 mod6 this is all the stuff that is installed (i think) via apt for gnat: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/mZRtO/?raw=true
22:11 mod6 i can, i guess, bundle all those deb packages and send 'em.
22:12 mod6 <+asciilifeform> mod6: plz repaste your barf << ok, shall I rerun your make, included with the fact.tar.gz ?
22:13 asciilifeform yesplz
22:14 asciilifeform btw mod6 , you ran it with the contents of the tarball, yes ?
22:14 asciilifeform as it was
22:14 asciilifeform or changed ?
22:16 mod6 yup. totally unchanged. am posting...
22:16 mod6 http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/ruy0P/?raw=true
22:16 asciilifeform ty mod6
22:17 mod6 np, thank you for the help!
22:17 mod6 im not sure what it doesn't like about 142, 146 -- they look like a lot of otherlines in ffa. so not sure what it thinks isn't kosher.
22:19 mod6 <+mircea_popescu> mod6 possibly not aptgetting a binary but instead building source may fix it for you ? << yeah, this is always a bad idea. only reason i did it, was to get an ada env stood up quickly. i had a super weird problem on the first environment that I tried on. the gnat version didn't match the gcc version and was getting like non-determinstic errors.
22:19 mod6 so, as a trial, i set it up on my eulora box.
22:20 mod6 and, suprisingly it worked.
22:20 mod6 my goal is to get gnat setup on gentoo, but the main problem is there, you have to hand-roll the entire thing because the gnat package for gentoo requires gcc6
22:21 mod6 shinohai, I think, figured out a way to do this, and pointed me at: http://www.adacore.com/products , but I haven't dug into it yet myself.
22:21 asciilifeform we might have to confiscate gentoo etc sooner rather than later.
22:22 asciilifeform mod6: the official adacore gnat installs in 3minutes, but with obvious caveat (you live with binarolade)
22:22 mod6 well, like I was saying in #trilema-mod6 around that same day was, perhaps we're going to need to start freezing some of the things required to stand up a gcc4+gnat4 if it becomes required. i have a fear that this shit will start to disappear eventually.
22:23 asciilifeform seems like already disappeared from gentoo latest portage neh.
22:23 mod6 <+asciilifeform> mod6: the official adacore gnat installs in 3minutes, but with obvious caveat (you live with binarolade) << yeah, i see they do have bins, but was going to custom handroll my own, to not only get one sanely built for my own environment, but will also allow me to set whatever ./configure flags I might need for optimizations.
22:23 asciilifeform though i will point out that gnat+gcc5/6 might not in fact suffer from same horrors as cpp on same.
22:23 mod6 asciilifeform: yah, gentoo is looking for a package maintainer for gnat.
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22:23 mod6 but...
22:24 mod6 im more referring to the massive tarball that you get from adacore
22:24 mod6 it actually distributes a ton of inner packages (requirements) like, gcc, gdb, zlib, etc etc.
22:24 mod6 (instead of just being a tar of just it's own source0
22:28 asciilifeform mod6: you may recall, that it is not possible to build gnat without... gnat
22:29 asciilifeform ( how this was finessed on day0 -- i do not presently know )
22:29 mod6 lol
22:29 mod6 i guess i didn't realize that, i thought you just, ofc, need a working gcc.
22:29 asciilifeform this so far is in fact the thing i like least.
22:29 asciilifeform mod6: gnat is an ada proggy.
22:29 mod6 aha, ok. i get what you're sayin'
22:29 asciilifeform so 'working gcc' is guaranteed to not suffice.
22:30 asciilifeform it uses gcc backend tho, so also needs a working gcc.
22:30 asciilifeform but you already knew this.
22:34 mod6 also, above, I pasted the wrong link to adacore, here's the one that I was given to get the adacore source: http://libre.adacore.com/download/configurations
22:34 mod6 my apologies to anyone following along.
22:35 phf presumably original version was assembled by jean ichbiah out of twigs, a simula compiler, a UNIVAC machine, a chicken, a wrench, a discarded truck tire. the process was documented in BUILD-PROC.TXT.3
~ 16 minutes ~
22:51 mod6 ok, so i dropped on a binary install of adacore onto my gentoo environment here just to test...
22:51 mod6 will grab alf's fact.tar.gz nao, and see if it works.
22:53 mod6 lol, wait till you see this: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/a3Hw9/?raw=true
22:56 mircea_popescu phf i thought that was lisp
23:00 mod6 asciilifeform: also, what's weird is, despite the errors in the last paste above, an 'ffa_fact' binary is still compiled.
23:00 mod6 and works.
23:00 mod6 *blink*
23:01 phf nah, lisp has been using the same image file since the early mccarthy days. each consecutive versions were implemented by manually patching the image file roughly into the needed shape all the way to present implementations
23:02 mircea_popescu that'd explain all the ebcdic
23:05 mircea_popescu and in other news, bilderburg. https://statusrsk.com/files/hist-lst.html
23:11 phf kind of reminds me of those personal homepages of schizophrenics back in the early days of the internets
23:12 mircea_popescu kinda reminds me of the various "cryptocurrencty" and "blockchain" communities.
23:12 mircea_popescu i suppose these are rather compatible memories.
23:12 asciilifeform 'No Mircea Popescu (his blog, ranting) is not the DAO hacker, but he does know what actually happened to Cryptsy. Polonix.com doesn't know how to handle floats/doubles/scientific-notation and it is being manipulated in margin trading. 10% (soon to be 20%) of all mining rewards go to the Bilderburg Group' << lollamatic
23:13 mircea_popescu in other sads, i spent most of the day at the local celebration, which included ~1000 horses. everything smells of manure.
23:13 mircea_popescu it's like i fell into 1717 somehow.
23:14 asciilifeform mod6: i suspect that your env path needs tweaking
23:15 asciilifeform e.g. PATH=/opt/gnat/bin:$PATH;export PATH; in your .bashrc --- or wherever it is
23:15 mod6 oh, weird, i installed everything to /usr/local/gnat
23:16 mod6 and i already added: PATH=$PATH:/usr/local/gnat/bin to my ~/.bashrc
23:17 mod6 PATH=$PATH:/usr/local/gnat/bin; export PATH
23:17 mod6 weird.
23:19 mod6 <+phf> kind of reminds me of those personal homepages of schizophrenics back in the early days of the internets << scammers.
23:20 mod6 fwiw, if i just run `gnatmake ffa_fact`, does not error.
23:21 asciilifeform on what box did it ever ?
23:22 mod6 never did, that always seems to work. can't figure out why it says "gcc: error: language ada not recognized"
23:22 mod6 either way, think I should run the ffa_fact test?
23:23 asciilifeform if it runs...
23:24 phf nah, you guys, there used to be sites, geocities style, made by actual schizophrenics. they were awesome. it was the kind of place where they discussed bildeberg and complained about the high doses of lithium or whatever prescribed by their doctor (who was taking direct orders from ronald reagan who was secretly still controlling the shadow government of the united states through the high concentration of ...)
23:24 asciilifeform timecube!!
23:25 asciilifeform i do wonder where these vanished to
23:25 mod6 see how long it takes? this is a core2duo (old box) with 4gb of ram
23:25 mod6 <+asciilifeform> if it runs... << ok will try
23:25 asciilifeform mod6: ram is 100% irrelevant here
23:25 mircea_popescu now they're fat girls raving about how they were almost raped by the subway.
23:26 phf oh yeah, timecube, but that one is almost legit.
23:26 asciilifeform yeah but where are the original 'they'
23:26 mircea_popescu asciilifeform i expect they're still there ; unfindable now because we stupidly decided to take google seriously.
23:26 asciilifeform aah
23:26 asciilifeform likely.
23:26 asciilifeform this and possibly + speedy deletion by 'blogger' etc kolhozed for 'term of service violation' for lese mageste
23:26 mircea_popescu when i was a child, i read a story, well written in the fantastic realist embryonic style. it contained a lamp for making darkness, which struck me then as the pinnacle of antipossible objects.
23:26 mircea_popescu except, that is ~the only proper way to describe google.
23:27 mircea_popescu it is the world's first, and to my knowledge the world's only, darkness making lamp.
23:27 mod6 ok off it goes.
23:27 trinque ha strangely apt, mod6.
23:27 BingoBoingo <asciilifeform> we might have to confiscate gentoo etc sooner rather than later. << It'll need renamed to keep pantsuitists from using
23:27 asciilifeform incidentally we have moar data!!! :
23:27 mod6 this box does nothing else other than just test builds/dev for trb, and is currently idle. should be a decent test. albiet much slower than the metrics collected with alf's i7 box.
23:28 mircea_popescu BingoBoingo cuntoo, evidently.
23:28 asciilifeform trial #2 of http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-16#1685029 >>>>> 153m13.636s
23:28 a111 Logged on 2017-07-16 20:07 asciilifeform: 'Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-4800MQ CPU @ 2.70GHz' : 153m7.214s
23:28 asciilifeform ( others -- still cookin' )
23:29 mod6 <+mircea_popescu> BingoBoingo cuntoo, evidently. << i think this is a winner.
23:29 mircea_popescu can have a logo of a cunt with two balls, like cartman's idea. cunt-o-o
23:29 * BingoBoingo thinks Cuntshoo may be more fitting
23:30 trinque asciilifeform: let ya know about the g5 gnat; haven't tried yet.
23:30 asciilifeform aaaand, literally <2min later, we have trial #2 of http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-16#1685030 >>> 155m54.188s
23:30 a111 Logged on 2017-07-16 20:08 asciilifeform: 'Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-4870HQ CPU @ 2.50GHz' (Crapple MBP) : 155m57.246s
23:30 mod6 <+asciilifeform> mod6: ram is 100% irrelevant here << not saying it isn't, trying to be more descriptive than "box". lol
23:30 BingoBoingo Cunt, two balls, two shoes; for the stomping!
23:30 mod6 asciilifeform: nice
23:31 asciilifeform mod6: i gotta clarify, the ~size~ is irrelevant , the bus speed, however, quite relevant.
23:31 asciilifeform possibly the sole bottleneck.
23:31 mircea_popescu right.
23:31 asciilifeform ( witness the figures for 2.5 vs 2.7 GHz intels )
23:32 mod6 CPU0: Intel(R) Core(TM)2 Duo CPU E7500 @ 2.93GHz
23:33 asciilifeform mircea_popescu, BingoBoingo : i immediately pictured an 'abstract' dentata logo
23:33 asciilifeform for 'cuntoo'.
23:33 mircea_popescu kinda hard to make tho
23:33 asciilifeform nah, just picture bear trap teeth , vertical.
23:34 phf i have to say cuntoo readers/sounds better than cuntshoo, easier to write, straight to the point, etc.
23:34 mircea_popescu nubbin on top ?
23:34 asciilifeform naturally!
23:34 mircea_popescu phf im not sure how the shoes cut in. BingoBoingo what's the shoe idea ?
23:34 mircea_popescu asciilifeform you know the funny thing with clitoral presentation is that both top and bottom are "naturally" just to different people!
23:35 asciilifeform aha!
~ 16 minutes ~
23:52 BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: Well feet have balls and Cartman's cunts have balls. Also the oo sound. Why not have Cuntshoos. Very detective sounding like Gumshoe
23:52 asciilifeform meh, extra letters
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