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01:04 deedbot http://qntra.net/2017/08/antifa-terrorists-and-pantsuit-local-government-shut-down-conservative-rally-fatalities-reported/ << Qntra - Antifa Terrorists And Pantsuit Local Government Shut Down Conservative Rally – Fatalities Reported
01:08 BingoBoingo "remember when a black supremacist sniper killed 5 cops last year and nobody demanded the president condemn 'black supremacist violence' and then the president went on to condemn the police for being racist?"
01:23 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-13#1697290 << interesting... friends... phf has
01:23 a111 Logged on 2017-08-13 02:25 phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-10#1696459 << heh, funny you bring nemtsov up, because he was friend of family. pantsuit is spot on, guy was brought from novgorod on usg money.
01:24 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-13#1697299 << if i were keeping seekrits for a mega-quisling, i at least wouldn't advertise, lol
01:24 a111 Logged on 2017-08-13 02:31 phf: heh, i really want to chat this subject up, but that's something that i probably shouldn't be talking about. i've no idea what's public and what's private.
01:25 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-13#1697295 << our top quisling was also 'physicist' -- saharov
01:25 a111 Logged on 2017-08-13 02:30 mircea_popescu: ro had a very identical equivalent. amusingly, also physicist.
01:26 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-13#1697308 << simple pill : run no sbcl made post-2011...
01:26 a111 Logged on 2017-08-13 02:40 phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-11#1697030 << there are ways to silence almost all the "helpful" style warnings, but i couldn't figure out how to fight this one, short of disabling the locks.
01:41 deedbot http://qntra.net/2017/08/obamacare-comes-to-india/ << Qntra - Obamacare Comes To India
01:47 phf asciilifeform: nah, there certainly aren't secrets (that i know). i don't know what's been written on the subject, but clearly everything's obvious to dedicated observers. my point is that some things are purview of journalists and historians.
02:02 phf this sbcl behavior seems old, i have it at least since 1.0.29.11 which is 2009 or so
02:03 phf so are style-warnings, e.g. in same version "STYLE-WARNING: using deprecated EVAL-WHEN situation names EVAL LOAD COMPILE"
02:05 phf so this possibly invalidates my original thesis of "wreckers in sbcl!11" i just haven't spent as much time there as i have under other implementations
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09:19 asciilifeform phf: all of open sores is crawling with cockroaches, i'd be quite surprised if sbcl turned out to be inexplicably clean even now
09:21 asciilifeform meanwhile, in the circus, https://archive.is/t14Cy << 'extremism detector ai'
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09:48 BingoBoingo !~ticker --market all
09:49 jhvh1 BingoBoingo: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 3964.96, vol: 19547.44271563 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 3977.0, vol: 57074.52661655 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 11.0, vol: 0 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 3988.158501, vol: 31349.17320000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 3997.0, vol: 13092.4309725 | Volume-weighted last average: 3980.10834365
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13:19 deedbot http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/32A131077E104A996AB66710084BE5E94FBA0120C419D5476A5C9090952EC257 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1460...8033 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '91.189.113.134 (ssh-rsa key from 91.189.113.134 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (Unknown RU)
13:19 deedbot http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/32A131077E104A996AB66710084BE5E94FBA0120C419D5476A5C9090952EC257 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1680...8023 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '91.189.113.134 (ssh-rsa key from 91.189.113.134 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (Unknown RU)
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13:44 deedbot http://trilema.com/2017/glam-punk/ << Trilema - Glam punk
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14:03 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-13#1697368 << eh they've been trying to come up with something to prop up the "market cap" of alphabet for a decade now, ever since it became completely obvious "advertising" is a lol.
14:03 a111 Logged on 2017-08-13 13:21 asciilifeform: meanwhile, in the circus, https://archive.is/t14Cy << 'extremism detector ai'
14:03 mircea_popescu this is more of the same "but we got ai" crap.
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16:13 deedbot http://trilema.com/2017/the-world-has-changed/ << Trilema - The world has changed
16:16 mod6 hola
16:21 mod6 could it be?
16:28 mircea_popescu o hey!
16:28 mircea_popescu got teh keys mike_c ?
16:29 mod6 deedbot might have added the second '!' since then.
16:29 mod6 mike_c: it's now ``!!up'' and ``!!v <OTP>''
16:29 mircea_popescu ah hm
16:30 mod6 http://deedbot.org/help.html
16:32 mike_c hey, look at that
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16:32 mircea_popescu hey, welcome back!
16:32 mike_c ty
16:32 mod6 hey!
16:32 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2016-04-27#1458351 << imagine, 18 months of logs to catch up with. poor guy.
16:32 a111 Logged on 2016-04-27 03:01 mike_c: at least you won the 'most famous mircea popescu' award - https://duckduckgo.com/?q=mircea+popescu
16:33 mod6 how ya been mike_c ?
16:33 mike_c I have been pretty good, certainly keeping myself busy.
16:33 mike_c although probably with the wrong things.
16:34 mod6 haha, werd.
16:34 mike_c i'm trying to buy myself some goats, I heard this was the right place.
16:34 mircea_popescu wow, seriously, what have you been doing for all teh time!
16:35 mike_c 18 months? Mostly work (couple jobs since then) and child raising.
16:35 mike_c both of which are going reasonably well
16:35 mircea_popescu but not even say hi or anything ? we were figuring 50-50 you got liek, shot by men in black or something.
16:36 mike_c i know, right. It's frustrating prioritizing time. Didn't have time to hang, definitely not to work, so felt weird dropping in once a month and saying "hey, haven't done anything, don't have time to do anything"
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16:36 mircea_popescu there is that.
16:37 mircea_popescu well, glad to hear you didn't get shot after all!
16:37 mike_c me too. and vice versa.
16:37 mod6 yah, srsly.
16:38 mod6 i've been optimistic though; know you've been busy. don't hesitate to drop us a line tho!
16:38 mod6 you're were starting to enter vrag territory.
16:38 mod6 heheheh
16:39 mircea_popescu mike_c did you mean fuckgoats ?
16:39 mike_c indeed. I was excited to see that launch. nice work ascii!
16:39 mike_c i'm working my way through the shop now.
16:40 mircea_popescu usually ships in a day or two.
16:41 mircea_popescu and yeah they're pretty cool tbh.
16:41 mike_c I'm sure.
16:41 mike_c I've got to catch up on the client release notes too, see what mod6 has been up to.
16:41 mircea_popescu there's a lot of new shit, actually. heck, it's unthinkable, but i guess 90% of the republican stuff was made in the past 18 months. i have nfi how this works, somehow the feeling is that "nothing changed" right, it was the same thing then too, no ? yes, and yet... there's v and there's a whole new pile of bots and on it goes.
16:42 mike_c v I was around for. at least the beginnings.
16:42 hanbot oh hey, mike_c! howdy!
16:42 mircea_popescu mike_c but look at the new v-based trb build
16:42 mircea_popescu with musl! and so on.
16:42 mike_c hello!
16:43 mike_c I will definitely check that out.
16:43 mod6 <+mircea_popescu> mike_c but look at the new v-based trb build << yah, if you're interested in standing up a node, we'll talk ya through it.
16:44 mircea_popescu and trinque was about to release a payments thing for deedbot by ... end of july yo! and then there's the ffa growing towards a proper tmsr-rsa, and of course the gossipd sandbox, and a coupla yet sikrit items and so on
16:44 mircea_popescu and you gotta learn ada now, and
16:45 mircea_popescu hm... should i lower the pay-for-tits moar ? i mean 2 bitcents is nigh on a hundred bux by now wtf.
16:45 mike_c stfu, seriously? I managed to avoid that a decade ago.
16:45 mike_c ada for the tmsr-rsa?
16:45 mircea_popescu mike_c it was decided lisp is not really exotic enough anymore, we had to move.
16:45 mircea_popescu mike_c basically, yeah.
16:46 mod6 it's pretty amazing, really.
16:46 mod6 i've had to learn ada just to keep up & read the thing. help test where I can.
16:46 mod6 it's actually not too bad.. just uber strict.
16:47 mod6 i think, for the most part, it took me like ~8-12 weeks to get the hang of it.
16:47 mike_c Yeah, that was my impression. It is certainly not a bad choice for crypto
16:48 mircea_popescu oh, and the mpfhf!
16:48 mike_c lol. more acronyms.
16:48 mircea_popescu wanna race peterl to building a reverser ?
16:48 mod6 ah yah, Mr. P. created his own hash function
16:49 mircea_popescu http://trilema.com/2017/mps-fabulous-hash-function-and-its-family/ <
16:50 mike_c ok, yeah, I read that one.
16:50 mircea_popescu aha, and ppl made lisp, go & python impls.
16:50 mod6 is there a trilema post on UCI?
16:50 mircea_popescu and now the idea is... since this could ALSO be used as a padder (in the rsa sense), a reverser is needed (takes r and s and spits out m)
16:51 mircea_popescu mod6 pretty sure he recalls that as theory.
16:51 mike_c UCI?
16:52 mod6 Unified Computing Interface
16:52 mod6 http://thebitcoin.foundation/tickets/UCI_tickets.html
16:52 mod6 It's an ongoing project. The tickets are above, kinda outlines the idea ^
16:52 mircea_popescu mod6 i suspect that's log-only to date.
16:52 mike_c ah, as theory, yes.
16:52 mod6 mircea_popescu: ah, ok. couldn't recall.
16:53 mike_c stan's theory for a mesh networked internet at least, I don't remember him proposing it for computing
16:53 mircea_popescu prolly something like http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=from%3Amirc+UCI best entry point. hey ben_vulpes why is http://logs.bvulpes.com/search?q=UCI&c=trilema only find 15 items ?!
16:54 mircea_popescu mike_c you'll have fun reading those then :p
16:54 mircea_popescu mod6 you prolly have a point there, i should write since it keeps coming up when trying to get intelligent people up to speed.
16:55 mircea_popescu now if only i knew what the fuck i want with it to any meaningful degree...
16:55 mod6 haha, no sweat.
16:56 mod6 mike_c: i had quite a bit of fun testing those FGs; worked pretty great for me.
16:57 mod6 all my test results and stuff are posted
16:57 mike_c I'm looking forward to being able to generate a key that I can actually trust.
16:57 mircea_popescu entropy only half the issue there.
16:57 mircea_popescu meanwhile gpg was pretty much thrown in the prb pile.
16:57 mike_c yes, a necessary but not sufficient part
16:58 mike_c yeah, well, from what I remember that's what killed cardano, no? that gpg turned out to be a pile of crap?
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16:58 mod6 there was a bug that was discovered like a year ago
16:59 mod6 in gnupg
16:59 mircea_popescu mike_c pretty m,uch yeah.
17:00 mircea_popescu dja feel well firehosed yet ? :D
17:01 mike_c yeah, I want to dig up some logs on the rsa stuff.
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17:21 mike_c mod6 - you mentioned I might need some hand holding. anything I need to know that's not in http://thebitcoin.foundation/trb-howto.html ?
17:21 lobbesbot !!up lobbes
17:21 deedbot lobbes voiced for 30 minutes.
17:22 lobbes oh hey, wb mike_c
17:22 lobbes !~later tell BingoBoingo http://qntra.net/2017/08/antifa-terrorists-and-pantsuit-local-government-shut-down-conservative-rally-fatalities-reported/ << "On the morning of the event Charlotte police" << s/Charlotte/Charlottesville
17:22 jhvh1 lobbes: The operation succeeded.
17:22 mike_c hello!
17:24 mod6 <+mike_c> mod6 - you mentioned I might need some hand holding. anything I need to know that's not in http://thebitcoin.foundation/trb-howto.html ? << that /should/ be all you need to know. less steps in the on-line version, but use which ever you need.
17:25 mod6 feel free to ask any questions.
17:25 mike_c ok, I'll take a crack at it.
17:25 mod6 cool, let us know how it goes. :]
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17:41 asciilifeform woah
17:41 asciilifeform wb mike_c !!
17:41 asciilifeform back to the living!
17:41 mike_c hi ascii! yes.
17:41 mike_c congrats on FG
17:41 asciilifeform ty mike_c
17:44 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-13#1697465 << correct. is how i ended up working on a replacement for pgp
17:44 a111 Logged on 2017-08-13 20:58 mike_c: yeah, well, from what I remember that's what killed cardano, no? that gpg turned out to be a pile of crap?
17:45 mike_c yeah, mp mentioned that. I'm going to scour some logs for more info on it.
17:46 asciilifeform 'p' is very different flavour from the old heathenry , however. think 'forth with bignums' approx.
17:47 mike_c oh, it's called "p"? that will make log-scouring so easy!
17:47 asciilifeform lol
17:47 asciilifeform the saving grace is that almost whole point of p is for it to be readable/self-contained
17:48 BingoBoingo ty lobbes
17:48 mod6 bbs; chores
17:48 asciilifeform so in the end it will not be strictly necessary to eat every gram of log that added up to it, to properly grasp
17:48 mike_c that's good to hear
17:50 asciilifeform i've been pushing folx to return to a 'dijkstaraist' concept of program, as something primarily to be ~read~, and only secondarily as something to execute on comp
17:50 asciilifeform *dijkstraist
17:51 asciilifeform mike_c: currently we have ~90% of a nonbranching ( no timing leak ) , provably correct arithmetron
17:51 asciilifeform about 1kloc
17:52 mike_c is it findable from http://thebitcoin.foundation/ somewhere?
17:52 asciilifeform mike_c: not as such. no vrelease yet - pastes in logs
17:52 mike_c ah, k
17:53 asciilifeform mod6: though there is the factorial demo
17:53 asciilifeform comes with makefile etc
17:54 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-15#1684808
17:54 a111 Logged on 2017-07-15 23:16 asciilifeform: !~later tell mod6 http://nosuchlabs.com/pub/fact.tar.gz << complete kit for above. sha512==26198604bff50d3411e343a30b97f4babe3a6b291fca267435cecd6a5438a08862b550198a49dd5549dda00c841d95afc1443f597587710b83c7fa65effa9c73
17:54 asciilifeform ( http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-16#1685034 moar thread )
17:54 a111 Logged on 2017-07-16 20:11 asciilifeform: for anyone not tuned in : ^ computes factorial of 65536.
17:55 oglafbot http://oglaf.com/conflict-resolution/
17:55 asciilifeform this is a somewhat obsolete version but illustrative
17:57 BingoBoingo !~ticker --market all
17:57 jhvh1 BingoBoingo: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 4100.39, vol: 16182.26302636 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 4115.7, vol: 47466.68850985 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 4109.738, vol: 28033.96960000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 4100.0, vol: 11571.1615322 | Volume-weighted last average: 4109.92244434
17:58 BingoBoingo https://archive.is/szXwZ
18:05 asciilifeform mike_c: i also have adatronic bitcoin formats ( block, tx, message, indices ) encoder/decoder; and mmaptronic db . but this is not yet primetime product
18:05 asciilifeform also interesting to mike_c will be the 'trbi' threads..
18:06 mike_c what's the intended purpose for the bitcoin pieces? you going to port the client to ada?
18:06 asciilifeform port may be wrong word
18:08 asciilifeform and 'to ada' also wrong word, (ultra fascist subset of) ada is simply what remained on the table after we went methodically through all reqs for a sane programming (for existing iron) system
18:08 mike_c so.. first a compiler for this subset?
18:08 mike_c I've got reading to do.
18:08 asciilifeform nah
18:08 asciilifeform standard gnat worx
18:09 asciilifeform in all likelihood you already have a copy.
18:09 asciilifeform ( it's in the gcc lang set, right next to f77 )
18:23 mircea_popescu BingoBoingo don't you just love how the tards went straight on from "bitcoin cash" to "segwit" without skipping a beat ?
18:23 mircea_popescu "oh, bitcoin doubled once mp defeated our dumb shit ? THIS ONLY GOES TO PROVE OUR DUMB SHIT IS INDEFEATABLE!!11"
18:28 shinohai Heya mike_c .... wb!
18:28 mike_c thanks!
18:35 BingoBoingo <mircea_popescu> BingoBoingo don't you just love how the tards went straight on from "bitcoin cash" to "segwit" without skipping a beat ? << Well, they soft forked segwit. Their new hill is TWO mb blocks
18:37 BingoBoingo They set themselves up the segwit bomb. Now it's 2x that Sillybert wants to shill.
18:45 trinque http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-06#1694432B << does this render the question of whether T leaked user 1's otp to user N moot? if so I'm not seeing it yet.
18:45 a111 Logged on 2017-08-06 05:36 mircea_popescu: trinque re last para, what's wrong with you know, http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-03#1693444 ? basically replace "The user decrypts the ciphertext and returns the cleartext OTP to D, which relays it to T, meanwhile revealing it to L. T replies to D with either "OK" or "FAIL", and a transaction is complete." with "T sends hash(C) to L, encrypted(C) to D. The user decrypts the ciphertext and returns the cleartext OTP to D, which
18:47 trinque how the fuck did a B get in there, lol
18:47 trinque http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-06#1694432
18:47 a111 Logged on 2017-08-06 05:36 mircea_popescu: trinque re last para, what's wrong with you know, http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-03#1693444 ? basically replace "The user decrypts the ciphertext and returns the cleartext OTP to D, which relays it to T, meanwhile revealing it to L. T replies to D with either "OK" or "FAIL", and a transaction is complete." with "T sends hash(C) to L, encrypted(C) to D. The user decrypts the ciphertext and returns the cleartext OTP to D, which
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19:09 mircea_popescu funny thing that it ate it anyway.
19:10 mircea_popescu trinque there's no way to prove owner of secret S did not share secret S with someone else. that's why "key sharing" dun work for rsa/bitcoin/etc.
19:10 mircea_popescu the ~only approach is to come up with secret parts, but this is contrary to design goals in context.
19:11 mircea_popescu accidental re-use of otps would however become obvious to L the moment he sees two hash(C)s equal. he can complain even before the user responds to the otppad.
19:12 mircea_popescu but outside of this, "has T told X about Y's otp" is very much a "you wouldn't download a car" type of problem.
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19:31 mod6 back
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22:02 BingoBoingo !~ticker --market all
22:02 jhvh1 BingoBoingo: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 4066.72, vol: 14006.05214284 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 4087.3, vol: 42162.93290572 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 4105.3851, vol: 25152.80430000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 4101.967, vol: 10517.0922327 | Volume-weighted last average: 4090.79416951
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