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00:45 lobbes http://logs.ericbenevides.com/log/trilema/2019-09-14#1936119 << heh, I hope I didn't overdo it with my last article (I think it included some three trackbacks to trilema)
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00:45 ericbot Logged on 2019-09-14 07:30:39 mircea_popescu: that scary moment when one notices the TWO most recent items in trilema comments queue are trackbacks from other people's blogs.
00:45 lobbes http://logs.ericbenevides.com/log/trilema/2019-09-14#1936262 << sure, but the point is I gave my word back 2006 to *her* that if she cosigned I wouldn't default. Maybe I'm foolish but I like to keep my word. Plus, virtually everyone else in my family has backstabbed her / cheated her to some degree, to which she never became bitter about, but instead just put them out of her life and kept on working
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00:45 ericbot Logged on 2019-09-14 20:09:08 mircea_popescu: (you may think she has home equity or w/e, but in practice see the medicare threads, it's on loan)
00:45 lobbes I'm probably the only one who hasn't, and I'd like to keep it that way (and while *I* grok that it is really the state that is the enemy here, she wouldn't necessarily). I'd like to let her die thinking *someone* gives a shit about her.
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00:45 lobbes Plus I still have the various TMSR infrastructure that I pay for (my VPSen, my dedicated server), and prolly something else I'm forgetting. Still looking like the best way to cut this knot is via the remote work option (i.e. I'll need monthly income of some kind). But the beauty seems to be I can take a massive pay cut from what I make now, since my cost of living should be much lower in South America.
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00:52 lobbes http://logs.ericbenevides.com/log/trilema/2019-09-14#1936308 << If I may ask, how did you pay for it then? Were you one of those students who actually learned things and thus got good grades (i.e. could qualify for scholarships)?
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00:52 ericbot Logged on 2019-09-14 23:17:48 trinque: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-14#1936245 << heh, my parents had the good sense to shove me out the airlock re: student debt. So I had the good sense to not take any.
00:52 snsabot Logged on 2019-09-14 15:45:52 lobbes: hrm, though I just thought of another rub: my mom actually cosigned my student loans. Which means if I default they will come after her for the money. Those damn octopus arms are everywhere
00:52 lobbes I managed to pay for my first two years (via the much cheaper 'community college' option) with pure cash from my saving from working at the grocery store. The final two years (at the more expensive state school) are what killed me. And I mentally checked out around 6th grade, so my GPA was laughable (literally was in the 2.3 range I think); no scholarships for me.
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05:43 mircea_popescu http://thimbron.com/2019/09/julian-jaynes/?b=Ando&e=#select << what's this then ?
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05:52 diana_coman no idea really but iirc there was a thimbronion around here or such
05:52 diana_coman !!key thimbronion
05:52 deedbot http://wot.deedbot.org/57512CE78CF08BB25FE277A4B16136257FB8FBDD.asc
05:57 mircea_popescu aand diana_coman 's comment yielded a first error fix!
06:00 mircea_popescu http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-14#1936265 << why the fuck is it mostly young dudes tho.
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06:00 snsabot Logged on 2019-09-14 17:58:07 BingoBoingo: In local news: Uruguayos stripped down and humiliated in the Plaza Independencia https://i.redd.it/dsjaoraybmm31.jpg
06:02 mircea_popescu http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-14#1936270 <<< nfi why they didn't simply lease the local army's materiel for a week. looks way the fuck better, defo cheaper than that dumb shit...
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06:02 snsabot Logged on 2019-09-14 18:16:33 BingoBoingo: Tanks https://i.imgur.com/lZPZUtw.jpg << Do not appear to be a match for Uruguay's actual tanks
06:02 diana_coman mircea_popescu: re logs.ossasepia.com/log/ossasepia/2019-09-11#1002089 - I still see the point for *different* thresholds in different places; ie 9 is peer everywhere but in #t it's only peers that may speak while in #o it's everyone who didn't get thrown out.
06:02 mircea_popescu shithead producers.
06:02 mircea_popescu diana_coman, ah yeah, noody;s proposing you must introduce voice in your own castle.
06:03 mircea_popescu or is the idea that you'd like to have the voice model more flexible, so when a castle owner is specified for a new castle, deedbot also takes specification of voice threshold ?
06:03 diana_coman mircea_popescu: even if/when I must introduce it because possibly some disgruntled good for nothings have nothing better to do than to spam
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06:03 mircea_popescu i think this last bit is kinda stupid, tbh.
06:03 diana_coman and wtf am I going to do, police it?
06:04 diana_coman possibly it's an entirely unrelated matter
06:04 mircea_popescu in extremis yes you could promote a knight or two in that role, if you wish ; but if not, and you want to implement the trilema style voice model instead : why do you want ratings other than 9 to be voiced ?
06:04 mircea_popescu you conceive having a knight rated 8 and a different layer of knight rated 9 ?
06:04 diana_coman mircea_popescu: no, not at all; but why would I want *only knights* to be able to talk there?
06:05 mircea_popescu how the hell do i know what you want.
06:05 mircea_popescu conceivably you might want it because your castle's so immense, you can't take the whole firehose.
06:05 mircea_popescu suppose in ten years you're actually running uk's main college. #o will now be open to all "concerned parents" ?
06:06 diana_coman that is also perfectly valid yes; hollyhell.
06:06 mircea_popescu oxford never was ; why should ossasepia be.
06:06 diana_coman oh boy, "concerned parents" and tzatzele la poarta what next
06:06 mircea_popescu ikr.
06:10 diana_coman I can see also why make it 9 only and that's that if the model is either "everyone can speak" or "only peers can speak"
06:12 mircea_popescu i don't instantly see the benefit of an alternative. some things do not benefit from alternative, eg a knife which first has you "select which side to be sharp" is a worse knife that is sharp on one side.
06:13 diana_coman that actually makes full sense, indeed.
06:14 diana_coman so then, if spammers come spamming, I'll have to man the walls or something, more fun to be had.
06:15 mircea_popescu aaand logs not loading. lessee here.
06:16 diana_coman o.O which logs?
06:16 mircea_popescu asciilifeform, yup, confirmed : pizarroisp.net loads in half second ; nosuchlabs does not load.
06:17 mircea_popescu then a minute later, loads again. and will be fine again for however long, an hour or a day, but then again, taskes a minute off.
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06:17 * diana_coman pats ossabot
06:19 mircea_popescu http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-14#1936276 << fucking typical retardation.
06:19 snsabot Logged on 2019-09-14 19:05:19 asciilifeform: 'Motherboard has obtained a copy of the email thread, but has censored the names of its participants besides Stallman. ' << bonus lulz
06:21 mircea_popescu for historical lulz : /me actually put the kaibosh on a romanian wanna-be news outlet back in the day for exactly this sorta misbehaviour.
06:22 mircea_popescu was part and parcel of ye epic http://trilema.com/2012/sorana-comedie-bufa-intr-un-act/ (the title says "Sorana, funny comedy in one act". unique as far as i know among all literary productions for the stage to date, this play is written ~entirely~ out of material illegally intercepted by romania's chapter of usg.blue, and doled out in court without any kind of supervision)
06:23 mircea_popescu did anyone else ever write a play like that ?
06:24 mircea_popescu it's literally a collage, i cut up the "secret" court filings produced by "secret" services for its material.
06:24 mircea_popescu like 90% or so by mass is exact quotation.
06:26 mircea_popescu http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-14#1936283 << wait, what ?
06:26 snsabot Logged on 2019-09-14 19:45:42 trinque: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-14#1936059 << the curious thing to the squishy humans is how this man is mathematical instead.
06:27 mircea_popescu http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-14#1936287 << hey, me too!
06:27 snsabot Logged on 2019-09-14 19:47:03 trinque: I'm a sick troll in the household.
06:29 mircea_popescu http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-14#1936293 << i have no firm idea as of yet ; but i'm inclined to think it'd be too many moving parts, and deleterious thereby.
06:29 snsabot Logged on 2019-09-14 19:50:55 trinque: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-14#1936114 << I'm thinking let the owner of chan set his/her threshold of voice, whatcha think?
06:29 mircea_popescu not because it'd be hard to implement, but because it creates a "decision slot" in the minds where there needn't be one.
06:30 mircea_popescu all of inca exists because of the false decision slot "between" coke and pepsi, dominos and pizza hut etc. the only way to fix the current us is forbid this false choice, force them to receive randomly items in the respective undiferentiable classes.
06:31 mircea_popescu with the mental energy thus freed, they'd prolly burn the shit down.
06:31 mircea_popescu hence my example with the "booting" knife that runs a .jar to ask you via gui "which side should be sharp this session"
06:32 mircea_popescu http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-14#1936289 << not to mention create sane basis for taxation! "you are to produce one lordable knight by next year!"
06:32 snsabot Logged on 2019-09-14 19:49:08 trinque: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-14#1936099 << couldn't be more behind this. if nothing else, you learn whether anyone else has gravity worth a sparrow's fart.
06:34 mircea_popescu (this being, contrary to ulterior protestant misrepresentations, the only meaning of taxation in middle ages : "produce some normal heatlhy unsick unfucked in the head humans!!! we're going to france!!!"
06:34 mircea_popescu then the stupid cunts "became nonviolent" and it all went straight to hell.)
06:38 diana_coman uaaa, my comment is awaiting moderation
06:39 mircea_popescu fixt
06:39 diana_coman ty
06:53 mircea_popescu answer't as well.
06:53 mircea_popescu and let me say that i really enjoy the sort of problems i am having these days.
07:02 diana_coman I'll chew on that some more (and maybe I won't want to strangle hope all that much anymore).
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08:17 mircea_popescu http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-14#1936305 << in my defense, i spent my 20s (in consensus with the peers of the time and place) that i ain't making no 30.
08:17 snsabot Logged on 2019-09-14 19:59:45 trinque: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-14#1936229 << lol, the dude's 40 something, not 80. and yet, a-fucking-men.
08:19 mircea_popescu now, apparently this is common, however the peerage of the time was quite unlike portland's finest [http://t
08:19 mircea_popescu rilema.com/2018/the-retards-handshake/][purple hair].
08:23 mircea_popescu http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-14#1936318 << you can't weld aluminium in air because the melting temperature of the metal is below compound formation energy. basically same reason you can't weld paper.
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08:23 snsabot Logged on 2019-09-14 20:05:51 asciilifeform: btw trinque ( and possibly BingoBoingo ) : what's the barest starvation tooling with which weld aluminum ?
08:23 mircea_popescu if have to get aluminium parts connected and don't have weld shield gas, the solution is riveting not welding.
08:25 mircea_popescu but also no reason to use al in your applciation. use zamak, weld with Lotkolben
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08:26 mircea_popescu http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-14#1936327 << also solution, rent for a coupla days.
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08:26 snsabot Logged on 2019-09-14 20:11:10 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: IIrc the Home Despot rents MIG welders
08:34 mircea_popescu http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-14#1936337 << lol
08:34 snsabot Logged on 2019-09-14 20:15:26 trinque: go go gadget wget -r
08:36 mircea_popescu http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-14#1936354 << or rather, read the last trilema.
08:36 snsabot Logged on 2019-09-14 20:55:50 trinque: I'm inclined to let whomever register w/e channel with deedbot, set their threshold for plebvoice, and let the wot work.
08:37 mircea_popescu http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-15#1936358 << wasn;t complaining. besides, by now i think avg trilema article does 12+ tracjabacjs,
08:37 snsabot Logged on 2019-09-15 00:45:20 lobbes: http://logs.ericbenevides.com/log/trilema/2019-09-14#1936119 << heh, I hope I didn't overdo it with my last article (I think it included some three trackbacks to trilema)
08:37 ericbot Logged on 2019-09-14 07:30:39 mircea_popescu: that scary moment when one notices the TWO most recent items in trilema comments queue are trackbacks from other people's blogs.
08:37 mircea_popescu it;s a growth, what can you do.
08:38 mircea_popescu http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-15#1936360 << nobody's requiring you to take any specific decisions. the limit's the establishment of the facts, you said some things, i retorted because i didn't think they were necessarily factual, not because i thought you should do x or whatever.
08:38 snsabot Logged on 2019-09-15 00:45:24 lobbes: http://logs.ericbenevides.com/log/trilema/2019-09-14#1936262 << sure, but the point is I gave my word back 2006 to *her* that if she cosigned I wouldn't default. Maybe I'm foolish but I like to keep my word. Plus, virtually everyone else in my family has backstabbed her / cheated her to some degree, to which she never became bitter about, but instead just put them out of her life and kept on working
08:38 ericbot Logged on 2019-09-14 20:09:08 mircea_popescu: (you may think she has home equity or w/e, but in practice see the medicare threads, it's on loan)
08:39 mircea_popescu make your own decisions on correctly established measurements is the whole of the law.
08:40 mircea_popescu http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-15#1936362 << so give the woman the log
08:40 snsabot Logged on 2019-09-15 00:45:31 lobbes: I'm probably the only one who hasn't, and I'd like to keep it that way (and while *I* grok that it is really the state that is the enemy here, she wouldn't necessarily). I'd like to let her die thinking *someone* gives a shit about her.
08:42 mircea_popescu http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-15#1936363 << turn it whichever way you wish, lordship an' poverty don't work together. in all cases it's better to resolve shortfalls by increasing income rather than by reducing expense, and yes the point's well made that by the time a few hundy a month make a difference one has much more pressing problems than putting forward a
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08:42 snsabot Logged on 2019-09-15 00:45:39 lobbes: Plus I still have the various TMSR infrastructure that I pay for (my VPSen, my dedicated server), and prolly something else I'm forgetting. Still looking like the best way to cut this knot is via the remote work option (i.e. I'll need monthly income of some kind). But the beauty seems to be I can take a massive pay cut from what I make now, since my cost of living should be much lower in South America.
08:42 mircea_popescu transparently idle pretense to primacy among mankind.
08:44 mircea_popescu http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-15#1936364 << to drive everyone up the wall : my degree was actually ~2-3k a year ; an' i'm pretty sure i made more during a brief foray in teaching there (while still a student!) than the whole thing cost. AND said degree includes (besides philosophy an' socilology) ALSO JOURNALISM
08:44 snsabot Logged on 2019-09-15 00:52:21 lobbes: http://logs.ericbenevides.com/log/trilema/2019-09-14#1936308 << If I may ask, how did you pay for it then? Were you one of those students who actually learned things and thus got good grades (i.e. could qualify for scholarships)?
08:44 ericbot Logged on 2019-09-14 23:17:48 trinque: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-14#1936245 << heh, my parents had the good sense to shove me out the airlock re: student debt. So I had the good sense to not take any.
08:44 snsabot Logged on 2019-09-14 15:45:52 lobbes: hrm, though I just thought of another rub: my mom actually cosigned my student loans. Which means if I default they will come after her for the money. Those damn octopus arms are everywhere
08:44 mircea_popescu I GOT IT ALL!!!
08:45 mircea_popescu ah, ye lovely 90s, why have ye gone away.
08:46 mircea_popescu also, the campus was literally one mile from my residence at the time ; and the campus worked mostly as young whore storage in those days.
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08:48 mircea_popescu meanwhile in other keks, http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2017-07-16#1685102
08:48 snsabot Logged on 2017-07-16 16:54:44 whatisthis: yes. sell all of my stuff and contribute to TMSR however I can?
09:00 diana_coman http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-09-14#1936342 - what's there to regret really? less direct support (because not needed since lord) + some additional responsibility on top of and added to sorting yourself out or what exactly?
09:00 ossabot Logged on 2019-09-14 20:41:10 lobbes: Of course I'm already regretting that resignation thinking I did that with my classic 'jumpy reasoning'; I think what I really needed was clarity, which comes from communication, which has been working pretty well so far.
09:01 mircea_popescu coolness.
09:01 * diana_coman gets the buckets of ice ready
09:01 diana_coman plenty of proper cool :D
09:03 mircea_popescu "why do parents mourn when a retarded son is born ? verily he'll have the easiest life of all their offspring"
09:03 mircea_popescu "why do constituencies regret when their representative teams are eliminated during tournament events ? they should rejoice, their team has to do the least work!"
09:04 diana_coman well, *they* will have the hardest life raising him though; my impression was that they mourn themselves, not the child at all.
09:04 mircea_popescu stoicism is one thing, but cynicism another. can't really mix the two!
09:04 mircea_popescu i had the opposite impression.
09:04 mircea_popescu if this were the concern, pretty sure orphanages still take undesired children.
09:05 mircea_popescu one day the surgery team removed a man's testicles by mistake. the man himself was cavallier about it : "well... it's that much less to wash."
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09:06 mircea_popescu if work avoidance worked that well, usgistani chemopsychiatry'd almost make sense, come to think of it.
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09:06 diana_coman possibly orphanages take but that's just shifting to a different sort of "hard"
09:07 diana_coman not to mention that after a point they still...do, pretty much
09:07 diana_coman when "can't cope anymore" or similar
09:10 diana_coman anyway, back to the lordship thing, it's not like worthy knights can't get promoted, quite on the contrary, that was the whole idea afaik
09:10 mircea_popescu but of course.
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09:40 diana_coman I just realised that it was probably not clear above: my point was why regret the *decision*.
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09:58 mircea_popescu aok
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11:04 asciilifeform http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-15#1936435 << realized this shortly after asked.
11:04 snsabot Logged on 2019-09-15 08:23:09 mircea_popescu: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-14#1936318 << you can't weld aluminium in air because the melting temperature of the metal is below compound formation energy. basically same reason you can't weld paper.
11:05 asciilifeform http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-15#1936438 << prolly mircea_popescu was thinking of zinc (as in sovok coffin), rather than the cast shitmetal 'zamac' . but mno, these in fact need good mechanical strength and -- even moar vitally -- good thermals
11:05 snsabot Logged on 2019-09-15 08:25:10 mircea_popescu: but also no reason to use al in your applciation. use zamak, weld with Lotkolben
11:05 snsabot Logged on 2019-09-14 20:11:37 asciilifeform: somewhat oddly, perhaps, vs traditional comp-building culture , mechanical strength is needed, the crates are abused rather heavily by the porters ( last time BingoBoingo and asciilifeform had to straighten the 'ears' with hammers )
11:08 asciilifeform http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-15#1936402 << pretty sure i found the culprit ( phuctor ) , i'ma make it weekly again.
11:08 snsabot Logged on 2019-09-15 06:17:08 mircea_popescu: then a minute later, loads again. and will be fine again for however long, an hour or a day, but then again, taskes a minute off.
11:12 asciilifeform !q uptime
11:12 snsabot asciilifeform: time since my last reconnect : 30d 0h 48m
11:13 asciilifeform i'ma roll out bvt's bot patch in coming days. (when errybody's asleep, ideally)
11:14 * asciilifeform wonders whether any bot previously went for 30d w/out stop
11:20 asciilifeform http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-15#1936375 << i suspect it's being done to scratch the ego itch of some hollywood lizard, rather than as rationally planned affair ( otherwise not even need to lease army base, would simply use 3d rendered scene )
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11:20 snsabot Logged on 2019-09-15 06:02:00 mircea_popescu: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-14#1936270 <<< nfi why they didn't simply lease the local army's materiel for a week. looks way the fuck better, defo cheaper than that dumb shit...
11:22 asciilifeform http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-15#1936381 << spamola, i suspect, is a 'when', rather than an 'if'.
11:22 snsabot Logged on 2019-09-15 06:03:16 diana_coman: mircea_popescu: even if/when I must introduce it because possibly some disgruntled good for nothings have nothing better to do than to spam
11:24 asciilifeform http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-15#1936439 << aa, but ameritards are, well, tards. to date found that it is 100% of the time cheaper to actually buy surplus instrument. sounds insane, but there it is.
11:24 snsabot Logged on 2019-09-15 08:26:34 mircea_popescu: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-14#1936327 << also solution, rent for a coupla days.
11:24 snsabot Logged on 2019-03-13 20:23:03 asciilifeform: recall : the xray best-quote of 5 firms was : 2700 orcdubloons PER SHOT
11:25 asciilifeform http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-15#1936455 << 'better to be rich and healthy than poor and diseased'(tm)(r)
11:25 snsabot Logged on 2019-09-15 08:42:25 mircea_popescu: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-15#1936363 << turn it whichever way you wish, lordship an' poverty don't work together. in all cases it's better to resolve shortfalls by increasing income rather than by reducing expense, and yes the point's well made that by the time a few hundy a month make a difference one has much more pressing problems than putting forward a
11:27 asciilifeform http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-15#1936464 << in ameritardistan, 'one mile from residence' typically dun even include food , much less universities.
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11:27 snsabot Logged on 2019-09-15 08:46:39 mircea_popescu: also, the campus was literally one mile from my residence at the time ; and the campus worked mostly as young whore storage in those days.
11:28 asciilifeform http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-15#1936478 << >> http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2018-05-13#1813003
11:28 snsabot Logged on 2019-09-15 09:05:57 mircea_popescu: one day the surgery team removed a man's testicles by mistake. the man himself was cavallier about it : "well... it's that much less to wash."
11:28 snsabot Logged on 2018-05-13 12:46:38 asciilifeform: 'Хорошо тому живется, У кого одна нога, У того яйцо не трется, И не надо сапога.' (tm)(r)
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11:29 asciilifeform http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-15#1936479 << that's mostly what it is used for ! exactly like 'pound detonator into own boot' in gulag. tlp documented subj to death.
11:29 snsabot Logged on 2019-09-15 09:06:54 mircea_popescu: if work avoidance worked that well, usgistani chemopsychiatry'd almost make sense, come to think of it.
11:35 asciilifeform re noble gasses, asciilifeform found, somewhat surprisingly, that 1k cubolitres of argon cost only ~100bux. and that there's moar shops where sold, here, than where proper milk...
11:36 * asciilifeform finally eaten log! bbl:teatime.
11:38 mircea_popescu asciilifeform, zamac is precisely that, industrial zinc alloys
11:38 mircea_popescu zn-al or zn-cu w/e
11:41 mircea_popescu http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-15#1936507 << could, and regularly did, march quarry on foot from auditorium to bed.
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11:41 snsabot Logged on 2019-09-15 11:27:29 asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-15#1936464 << in ameritardistan, 'one mile from residence' typically dun even include food , much less universities.
11:41 mircea_popescu #best-teenage-years
11:45 mircea_popescu http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-15#1936511 aka "life's good without a leg : the balls don't rub and there's no need for another boot"
11:45 snsabot Logged on 2019-09-15 11:28:32 snsabot: Logged on 2018-05-13 12:46:38 asciilifeform: 'Хорошо тому живется, У кого одна нога, У того яйцо не трется, И не надо сапога.' (tm)(r)
11:46 mircea_popescu als owhat the fuck is a cubolitre!
11:46 mircea_popescu nine-dimensional hypercubic decimetres ?
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12:19 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: zn-al typically. ( why ? it injection-molds, like plastic )
12:20 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: lol, cuboliter, asciilifeform was posting b4tea!111
12:20 asciilifeform ( liter, at stp, of course , is what it was to be )
12:20 feedbot http://trilema.com/2019/thelastpsychiatristcom-celebrities-and-narcissism-adnotated/ << Trilema -- thelastpsychiatrist.com - Celebrities and Narcissism. Adnotated.
12:21 BingoBoingo http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-15#1936368 << Fella who walked in and wanted web hosting
12:21 snsabot Logged on 2019-09-15 05:43:16 mircea_popescu: http://thimbron.com/2019/09/julian-jaynes/?b=Ando&e=#select << what's this then ?
12:21 asciilifeform http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-15#1936518 << asciilifeform also, but to do this had to live in the barracks
12:21 snsabot Logged on 2019-09-15 11:41:41 mircea_popescu: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-15#1936507 << could, and regularly did, march quarry on foot from auditorium to bed.
12:23 BingoBoingo http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-15#1936373 << Girls apparently have things to do over the three day span. Either that or stripping the boys down is how they imagine they avoid getting #wetoo'd
12:23 snsabot Logged on 2019-09-15 06:00:42 mircea_popescu: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-14#1936265 << why the fuck is it mostly young dudes tho.
12:24 BingoBoingo http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-15#1936375 << Seriously that's a huge WTF. The army's materiel is a mix-and-match affair which means something in the pile is going to suit the desired epoch.
12:24 snsabot Logged on 2019-09-15 06:02:00 mircea_popescu: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-14#1936270 <<< nfi why they didn't simply lease the local army's materiel for a week. looks way the fuck better, defo cheaper than that dumb shit...
12:28 BingoBoingo http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-15#1936498 << Leasing Army base would have been much cheaper. Instead they leased the city's main square, took out everything green or movable, and then chroma-key'd the palms and the base of the Masoleum of Jose Artigas. They are filming in the country's principal political location and dressing it as somewhere else.
12:28 snsabot Logged on 2019-09-15 11:20:57 asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-15#1936375 << i suspect it's being done to scratch the ego itch of some hollywood lizard, rather than as rationally planned affair ( otherwise not even need to lease army base, would simply use 3d rendered scene )
12:32 BingoBoingo Probably would have made more sense to film at the Punta Carretas Shopping & Prison
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13:12 BingoBoingo There's also confusion with different sources claiming the rent being paid for the plaza is millions of pesos Uruguayos or millions of pesos NorteAmericanos.
13:19 BingoBoingo Apparently the naked folks are making 1500 pesos (~45 USD) a day. Which, considering the bulk of jobs in the local economy pay ~20,000 pesos a month with 44 hours workweeks... seems a bit generous.
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14:09 * lobbes eats log
14:19 lobbes http://logs.ericbenevides.com/log/trilema/2019-09-15#1936449 << this makes sense. I guess was simply stating my reasonings for decision in the logs. But to your point I ought to start looking more at established and measurable facts than imagined feels
14:19 ericbot Logged on 2019-09-15 11:55:12 mircea_popescu: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-15#1936360 << nobody's requiring you to take any specific decisions. the limit's the establishment of the facts, you said some things, i retorted because i didn't think they were necessarily factual, not because i thought you should do x or whatever.
14:19 snsabot Logged on 2019-09-15 00:45:24 lobbes: http://logs.ericbenevides.com/log/trilema/2019-09-14#1936262 << sure, but the point is I gave my word back 2006 to *her* that if she cosigned I wouldn't default. Maybe I'm foolish but I like to keep my word. Plus, virtually everyone else in my family has backstabbed her / cheated her to some degree, to which she never became bitter about, but instead just put them out of her life and kept on working
14:19 ericbot Logged on 2019-09-14 20:09:08 mircea_popescu: (you may think she has home equity or w/e, but in practice see the medicare threads, it's on loan)
14:19 lobbes http://logs.ericbenevides.com/log/trilema/2019-09-15#1936455 << I ofc can't find the log reference in o(1) time, but I remember you stating that the wisdom for wealth building is *spending less* rather than the converse. Maybe I'm missing the point tho
14:19 ericbot Logged on 2019-09-15 11:58:51 mircea_popescu: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-15#1936363 << turn it whichever way you wish, lordship an' poverty don't work together. in all cases it's better to resolve shortfalls by increasing income rather than by reducing expense, and yes the point's well made that by the time a few hundy a month make a difference one has much more pressing problems than puttin
14:19 snsabot Logged on 2019-09-15 00:45:39 lobbes: Plus I still have the various TMSR infrastructure that I pay for (my VPSen, my dedicated server), and prolly something else I'm forgetting. Still looking like the best way to cut this knot is via the remote work option (i.e. I'll need monthly income of some kind). But the beauty seems to be I can take a massive pay cut from what I make now, since my cost of living should be much lower in South America.
14:19 lobbes In other words, this is step II ain't it? The *fact* is that I'm poor, so I may as well accept that and stop pretending otherwise, yes? I.e. No palpable difference between 90K WFF per month and 30K WFF per month; they are both the same level of poverty
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14:20 lobbes s/per month/per year
14:30 lobbes http://logs.ericbenevides.com/log/trilema/2019-09-15#1936485 << because my decision was made hastily and prematurely imo. I don't think I needed to resign. I did so thinking I could eschew choice, but that is stupid; can't ever eschew choice wtf. And this dumb move will result in loss of coolness, as mircea_popescu pointed out; loss of privilege.
14:30 ericbot Logged on 2019-09-15 12:57:02 diana_coman: I just realised that it was probably not clear above: my point was why regret the *decision*.
14:30 lobbes anyways, this regret will go well with my penance posts on the consequences of derealisation inducing activities (mind rot is real!)
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14:30 ericbot Logged on 2019-09-14 17:46:42 lobbes: Now, question is: what is proper penance in your opinion?
14:40 lobbes http://logs.ericbenevides.com/log/trilema/2019-09-13#1935892 << to come back to this: I spent a half-dozen hours last night educating myself on mysql replication. I hope to have this figured out (and tested on my own blog) by end of today (will post a handy guide, because why not)
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14:40 ericbot Logged on 2019-09-13 08:17:35 mircea_popescu: anyways -- when are we looking at delivery ?
14:41 lobbes Now, are you cool with me releasing patches in pieces? I.e. First patch will be a bot that eats IRC and shits lines into a article on Trilema (under 'logs' category). Then subsequent patches for the rest of the asks.
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14:41 lobbes OR would you prefer the whole thing at once?
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16:30 BingoBoingo http://archive.is/5L8Cb << Local media on the invasion
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17:16 diana_coman http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-09-15#1936552 - so regret your haste then and/or specific choice-avoidance but not your decision; it was made at that time and it's done; regretting the decision only puts you in a very awkward position moving on because now what - you'll be a knight who regrets his decision of being a knight?
17:17 ossabot Logged on 2019-09-15 14:46:06 lobbes: http://logs.ericbenevides.com/log/trilema/2019-09-15#1936485 << because my decision was made hastily and prematurely imo. I don't think I needed to resign. I did so thinking I could eschew choice, but that is stupid; can't ever eschew choice wtf. And this dumb move will result in loss of coolness, as mircea_popescu pointed out; loss of privilege.
17:17 ericbot Logged on 2019-09-15 12:57:02 diana_coman: I just realised that it was probably not clear above: my point was why regret the *decision*.
17:21 lobbes diana_coman: this is true, huh. Besides, worse things I could be than a knight! I'll take the opportunity to learn how to not decide things in haste for example
17:22 diana_coman sounds way better indeed.
17:24 lobbes ty as always for helping me to detangle my brain
17:25 lobbes BingoBoingo: I'm finding that your various updates make for amusing (if not challenging) spanish practice
17:25 lobbes http://archive.is/5L8Cb#selection-1483.105-1483.280 << E.g. I think this is: "Don't break the balls! We see here people crossing the square grabbing a rope because the wind was blowing them to shit, families littered along the ropes. In your face Netflix!"
17:37 BingoBoingo The breaking and not breaking of balls is an important concept here.
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18:38 mircea_popescu all the bots!!!
18:38 mircea_popescu it's a botflurry
18:42 mircea_popescu http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-15#1936550 << i dunno dood, you're selling houses, being poor, it's a stu. you'll have to sort it out for yourself, i can't figure it out from over here.
18:42 snsabot Logged on 2019-09-15 14:19:48 lobbes: In other words, this is step II ain't it? The *fact* is that I'm poor, so I may as well accept that and stop pretending otherwise, yes? I.e. No palpable difference between 90K WFF per month and 30K WFF per month; they are both the same level of poverty
18:43 mircea_popescu but, traditionally, owning real estate is what separates the bourgeoisie from the mob/vagrancie.
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18:45 mircea_popescu http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-15#1936554 << holy shit this can't continue, if you folk are going to let the logreaders read from other channels (which, honestly, i'm considering banning) at least prepend an [channel name] before or something.
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18:45 snsabot Logged on 2019-09-15 14:30:31 lobbes: anyways, this regret will go well with my penance posts on the consequences of derealisation inducing activities (mind rot is real!)
18:45 ericbot Logged on 2019-09-14 17:46:42 lobbes: Now, question is: what is proper penance in your opinion?
18:45 mircea_popescu asciilifeform, lobbes diana_coman ^
18:45 mircea_popescu who else got loggers up ?
18:46 lobbes I think that is it for people running Stan loggers
18:46 mircea_popescu http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-15#1936556 << kinda waste of time. the seed will just have been an import, and the comments/posts i intended to have handled from php.
18:46 snsabot Logged on 2019-09-15 14:40:55 lobbes: http://logs.ericbenevides.com/log/trilema/2019-09-13#1935892 << to come back to this: I spent a half-dozen hours last night educating myself on mysql replication. I hope to have this figured out (and tested on my own blog) by end of today (will post a handy guide, because why not)
18:46 ericbot Logged on 2019-09-13 08:17:35 mircea_popescu: anyways -- when are we looking at delivery ?
18:47 mircea_popescu http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-15#1936558 << sure.
18:47 snsabot Logged on 2019-09-15 14:41:04 lobbes: Now, are you cool with me releasing patches in pieces? I.e. First patch will be a bot that eats IRC and shits lines into a article on Trilema (under 'logs' category). Then subsequent patches for the rest of the asks.
18:48 mircea_popescu no guarantee ima spot test tho.
18:48 lobbes kk
18:51 lobbes roger that then re: the mysql replication. I'll move onto other pieces
18:52 * lobbes will also cease quoting from other chans into #t
18:57 lobbes http://logs.ericbenevides.com/log/trilema/2019-09-15#1936572 << not an issue. I got this. I always figure it out eventually
18:57 ericbot Logged on 2019-09-15 21:59:05 mircea_popescu: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-15#1936550 << i dunno dood, you're selling houses, being poor, it's a stu. you'll have to sort it out for yourself, i can't figure it out from over here.
18:57 snsabot Logged on 2019-09-15 14:19:48 lobbes: In other words, this is step II ain't it? The *fact* is that I'm poor, so I may as well accept that and stop pretending otherwise, yes? I.e. No palpable difference between 90K WFF per month and 30K WFF per month; they are both the same level of poverty
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20:12 mircea_popescu you can quote, but put a header.
20:13 BingoBoingo !Xbuy 121mn 31 1209 Wired Filthy Fiats, WU is fine but not preferred
20:13 auctionbot Buy order # 1059 created by BingoBoingo: 1209 Wired Filthy Fiats, WU is fine but not preferred Opening: 121mn ecu Ending: 2019-09-16 18:40:30.513019 UTC (30 hours)
20:24 hanbot http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-14#1936285 << more's the point is that your "household" consists of a WoT non-entity (afaik, actually. is it?) that may or may not be just as clueless about saying something here if you get a touch of The Butt. aesthetipolitical bents, righteous as they may be, pale by comparison.
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20:24 snsabot Logged on 2019-09-14 19:46:49 trinque: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-14#1936066 << I trolled the shit out of girl earlier, "babe, we're moving to Portland" and "What the fuck?! I'm not living in blue-haired hell!" panicpanicpanic before I started cackling. I think I'll be ok.
20:30 feedbot http://trilema.com/2019/thelastpsychiatristcom-charlie-sheen-has-an-awesome-experience-this-time-with-drugs-and-a-hooker-which-was-the-same-as-last-time-adnotated/ << Trilema -- thelastpsychiatrist.com - Charlie Sheen Has An Awesome Experience, This Time With Drugs and A Hooker, Which Was The Same As Last Time. Adnotated.
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20:49 asciilifeform http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-15#1936575 << i can either switch off echo from cross-chan or put in marker , let mircea_popescu say which when he wakes up ( will make it a knob. )
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20:49 snsabot Logged on 2019-09-15 18:45:12 mircea_popescu: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-15#1936554 << holy shit this can't continue, if you folk are going to let the logreaders read from other channels (which, honestly, i'm considering banning) at least prepend an [channel name] before or something.
20:49 asciilifeform graphical browsers tell you url when hovering, but e.g. lynx does not, prolly explains why mircea_popescu went grr
20:52 asciilifeform will be a gnarly knob, cuz under no circumstances am i running a bot that dun cross-echo in ~my~ castle.
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20:53 asciilifeform ( e.g. cross_post=asciilifeform,...,..., )
20:53 asciilifeform diana_coman, spyked , lobbes , BingoBoingo , lemme know if you want yours in that list .
20:55 asciilifeform ( and mircea_popescu , say if you want yours excluded, or alternatively prefix '[chan] Logged on xxxx-xx-xx.... foo' etc. )
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20:57 asciilifeform this prolly won't go in until end of week, all changes to bot are to be tested to death before rollout.
20:58 asciilifeform http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-15#1936574 << iirc lobbes said that he had it on credit, rather than owned. (but can't find in log, so maybe i dreamed it)
20:58 snsabot Logged on 2019-09-15 18:43:07 mircea_popescu: but, traditionally, owning real estate is what separates the bourgeoisie from the mob/vagrancie.
21:03 lobbes ^ this is correct. It is a liability right now, not an asset as far as I'm concerned
21:04 asciilifeform iirc the way these typically work in usa, is that 'buyer' spends decade+ paying just the interest
21:05 asciilifeform (i.e. when 'sells', gets 0)
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21:06 lobbes indeed, is a scam. I fell for the 'well, my mortgage will be a fixed cost vs rising rents' thinking, but neglected to factor in cost of maintenance, rising property taxes, whathaveyou
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21:06 lobbes i.e. I have a long road ahead of me out of poorandstupid-town
21:09 asciilifeform lobbes: this may be a geographic thing, or simply asciilifeform's luck, but when renting 'from human' never 1nce experienced rising cost. they're extremely reluctant to raise it, because 'what happens if this d00d leaves and aint replaced until months later, or is replaced with a normal person who dun maintain w/ own hands' etc
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21:11 asciilifeform asciilifeform's prev. landlord did errything short of begging on knees, 'pleez dun go'
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21:12 asciilifeform i dunno whether to believe, but he said that even paying on schedule erry single month is unusual nowadays...
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21:13 asciilifeform ( and even that typical tenant nao does things like punch hole in wall w/ fist and then demand that landlord fix for phree )
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21:15 lobbes oh yeah, my mom used to be a landlord back before I was born. Would tell horror stories of tenants writing curses in literal shit on the walls when she had to evict them for non-payment
21:17 asciilifeform him:'usually i have to redo the drywall when folx leave, but yours is perfect, how?' a: (holding tin of spackle behind back) 'by magic'
21:17 asciilifeform lobbes: 'normal people tenant' is apparently vehehery interesting concept in this part of world
21:17 lobbes but I suspect you are correct re: human owners + geographics. Charlotte is a typical "bubble" city; low corp tax rates attract the banking industry, which fuels the need for meatworkers, but apparently NC doesn't produce skilled-enough workers on its own, so for the last few decades has been importing 'em (virtually all the people on my team are not from NC)
21:18 lobbes which attracts the 'non human' rental corps. along with rising rents
21:18 asciilifeform asciilifeform to current landlord (another ru d00d) : 'you can keep the weather station tower when i go, i won't need it where i'll go'
21:19 asciilifeform lobbes: the 'organized' co.'s are 100% poison, avoid'em if at all possible in usa
21:22 asciilifeform lobbes: i found out that in many locales in tardschwitz, incl. this 1, tenants 'have rights'(tm)(r) and can take yr+ to extract one if he stops paying... and that this happens regularly
21:23 asciilifeform ( and, moar staggeringly, 'clock' on this 'yr+' ~resets~ if the derp scrapes together some pennies and pays ~1 month~ )
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21:24 lobbes insanity. "cannot own" in US verily
21:24 asciilifeform the takehome moral from this, is that if someone expects to make serious profit by renting out residential sqmetrage in usa -- think again.
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21:25 asciilifeform ( yet someone builds the blocks of flats . how they make profit ? very simply, tlp-style, i.e. by leasing to welfare mooches, these come w/ guaranteed subsidy from usg. )
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21:49 BingoBoingo asciilifeform: There's also the popular in 401k REITs that turn retirement savings dollars into real estate bubble dollars
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