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00:13 BingoBoingo pantsuits continue thrashing https://archive.is/VJKNF
00:13 mats http://scmp.com/news/hong-kong/economy/article/2087509/hong-kong-zhuhai-macau-bridge-open-end-year
00:28 mats before i install sks and figure out how to wrangle bdb - someone have a dump of ascii armored pub keys?
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00:33 ben_vulpes mats: godspeed
00:33 ben_vulpes sks uses bdb as well?
00:40 mats indeeds
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01:53 mats http://sanfrancisco.cbslocal.com/2017/04/24/teens-commandeer-bart-train-in-violent-takeover-robbery-of-passengers-at-coliseum-station lul
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08:36 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-25#1647772 << i tried this, wasted a great deal of time. you can't get an sks dump by running sks.
08:36 a111 Logged on 2017-04-25 04:28 mats: before i install sks and figure out how to wrangle bdb - someone have a dump of ascii armored pub keys?
08:37 asciilifeform unless an ~existing~ sks user gives you a connection
08:37 asciilifeform it resembles trb 'wires' .
08:49 shinohai http://archive.is/2pUP4 <<< Guess Qntra can pack it in huh
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08:52 asciilifeform in other lulz, https://archive.is/UfvDj >> 'Entire U.S. Senate to go to White House for North Korea briefing'
08:53 mircea_popescu ahahaha, don't tell me new korea war
08:53 mircea_popescu after being defeated in the middle east pentagon actually figures it'll just move ?
08:54 mircea_popescu mod6 i guess one could organize some great irl arcades here huh.
08:55 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-25#1647776 << can anyone invite them here ? they're evidently in need of a little guidance.
08:55 a111 Logged on 2017-04-25 05:53 mats: http://sanfrancisco.cbslocal.com/2017/04/24/teens-commandeer-bart-train-in-violent-takeover-robbery-of-passengers-at-coliseum-station lul
08:55 * mircea_popescu would much prefer a dozen or two usian kids who are willing to commandeer bart trains instead of ten or twenty thousand sillycon valley drones.
08:56 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: supposedly band of 80 !
08:56 mircea_popescu that'd be cool.
08:57 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-25#1647781 << eh, pedo's just chasing headlines for the next "wikipedia is free and no advertising" advertising drive.
08:57 a111 Logged on 2017-04-25 12:49 shinohai: http://archive.is/2pUP4 <<< Guess Qntra can pack it in huh
08:57 asciilifeform then again, band of macaques could probably rob a train of disarmed, 'respectable' office plankton, with 0 effort
08:57 mircea_popescu band of macaques > murder of cs grads.
08:59 asciilifeform this is ye olde 'pirate is ubermensch' thread again, ainnit.
08:59 * shinohai add "Macaque training camps" to the list of necessary items .....
09:11 mircea_popescu no, this is ye olde "pencildick is untermensch" thread.
09:12 mircea_popescu trying to knock young men down ain't gonna do jack for propping up unmen.
09:12 mod6 <+mircea_popescu> mod6 i guess one could organize some great irl arcades here huh. << sure sounds like it. :]
09:12 mircea_popescu lel
09:18 mats asciilifeform: ok thanks for the heads up. can i get a dump of fingerprints from phuctor? i will crawl sks instead
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09:21 mircea_popescu lol that salon piece was pretty lulzy. o noes, the thin but vocal layer of unemployed and unemployable "independent women" is getting cut out of politics too, after being cut out of public discourse and the money pie ?!?!?!?!
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09:22 mircea_popescu holy shit what will the world do without the opinions of odonnel & her ilk!!11
09:22 mircea_popescu 0.nothing percent doesn't matter ?!?!
09:30 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-25#1647801 << i'ma publish another db dump later today, you can use that .
09:30 a111 Logged on 2017-04-25 13:18 mats: asciilifeform: ok thanks for the heads up. can i get a dump of fingerprints from phuctor? i will crawl sks instead
09:30 asciilifeform mats: what are you thinking of doing ?
09:39 mircea_popescu darn !#s dc pizza returns nothing.
09:40 mircea_popescu ah nm, spelling etc.
09:49 mats asciilifeform: wot analysis and identifying weirdness that pgp will accept but ordinarily silently discard some aspect (wrappers i've looked at don't use verbose flag during import) , ie, a subkey binding like the hpa key
09:49 mats sorry, gpg.
09:50 mats looking to see just how much diddling is going on here
09:50 asciilifeform mats: you might want the raw sks set rather than mine then
09:50 asciilifeform because phuctor's includes only such keys as were successfully eaten by the parser
09:51 asciilifeform (which means, pure rsa, no orc glyphs, no catastrophic malformed packet prior to modulus, etc)
09:53 mats ok
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10:10 mircea_popescu in other lulz, some dork using a variety of 104.192.3. ips has been hitting trilema (POST to xmlrpc.php, of course) for what, six months now ? total fucking tards, do 10 requests per second for hundreds of days straight with no results whatsoever and keep at it.
10:11 mircea_popescu yesterday i banned his B block, meaning that instead of getting back the 130ish bytes per request ("please stop beingt stupid" or somesuch) he's now getting a 404. trilema delivers soft 404s, in the sense of loading up an article anyway. idiot's burned half a terrabyte since, which he hopefully has to pay for. because if he does, his entire (large, holy shit) operation is now under water. dun dun dun.
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10:24 deedbot http://trilema.com/2017/tuesday-medley/ << Trilema - Tuesday Medley
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10:54 shinohai "No me gustan las mujeres ... me dan asco!"
10:54 shinohai my fucking sides.
10:55 mircea_popescu no it is modern art!
10:55 shinohai Trolling that good is indeed an art.
10:58 shinohai Nice crow pic .... I've always had a soft spot for them, they are actually quite smart.
10:59 mircea_popescu these are very different from euro variety.
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11:36 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-25#1647818 << ~nobody who does this sort of thing, ever pays for ~anything. certainly not for bandwidth. ( and supposing he did -- what's a TB cost at market rate ? fiddybux ? )
11:36 a111 Logged on 2017-04-25 14:11 mircea_popescu: yesterday i banned his B block, meaning that instead of getting back the 130ish bytes per request ("please stop beingt stupid" or somesuch) he's now getting a 404. trilema delivers soft 404s, in the sense of loading up an article anyway. idiot's burned half a terrabyte since, which he hopefully has to pay for. because if he does, his entire (large, holy shit) operation is now under water. dun dun dun.
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11:57 mircea_popescu so what, data wagon llc is just giving him free pipe ?
11:57 asciilifeform infected chumpers -- do
11:57 mircea_popescu and infected chumpers -- pay
11:58 asciilifeform well yes. sorta whole 'point' of a worm
11:58 mircea_popescu tis what i meant by "idiot", also.
11:58 asciilifeform aah lolk
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12:20 shinohai !~blocks
12:20 jhvh1 shinohai: 463457
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13:19 deedbot http://www.contravex.com/2017/04/25/how-developmentally-stunted-ingrates-like-bram-cohen-imagine-bitcoin-mining-companies/ << » Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski - How Developmentally Stunted Ingrates Like Bram Cohen Imagine Bitcoin Mining Companies
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14:14 ben_vulpes http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-25#1647802 << [Anna March] is at work on an essay collection, "Feminist Killjoy". also http://www.annamarch.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/10311349_637458956332337_2729010927784395672_n-e1410903416249.jpg
14:14 a111 Logged on 2017-04-25 13:21 mircea_popescu: lol that salon piece was pretty lulzy. o noes, the thin but vocal layer of unemployed and unemployable "independent women" is getting cut out of politics too, after being cut out of public discourse and the money pie ?!?!?!?!
14:14 mircea_popescu is this good for fiatcoin ?
14:17 asciilifeform http://archive.is/PFvo7 << in other lulz >> 'Multiple shareholders stood and yelled at the board of directors and Chief Executive Tim Sloan. The shareholders were angry about the bank's creation of as many as 2.1 million phony accounts in customers' names.'
14:18 ben_vulpes definitely good for the lulzconomy
14:18 ben_vulpes lulzcownomy?
14:18 ben_vulpes lol cow anomie
14:18 trinque same color scheme as mcdonalds. relevant.
14:19 ben_vulpes w also similar in shape to upside down double arches
14:19 ben_vulpes shadow corporatocracy signaling its cronies
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14:35 asciilifeform and now for Something Completely Different >> http://bisqwit.iki.fi/story/howto/bitmath << one of those rare 1990s-style actually-useful www .
14:36 ben_vulpes 404's for me
14:36 ben_vulpes ah, trailing slash necessary
14:37 asciilifeform the 404 is pretty great tho
14:37 ben_vulpes and how
14:37 asciilifeform http://bisqwit.iki.fi/story/howto/bitmath/ << for the cache bot.
14:38 ben_vulpes asciilifeform: great link
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15:15 mircea_popescu o no, don't tell me... the fiat empire consists principally of dead souls ?! which have bank accounts and facebook accounts and read the new yorker and vote pantsuit ?!
15:19 asciilifeform apparently old noose, e.g. http://archive.is/RUnBw
15:20 asciilifeform the best part: 'Fargo CFO John Shrewsberry told 500 senior Wells Fargo execs in a conference call that the scandal would not affect third-quarter earnings "much." '
15:21 asciilifeform it isn't as if wf were a company, in the customary sense -- it's a usg organ, like microshit. 'tbtf'
15:22 mircea_popescu aha.
15:22 asciilifeform berkshire, iirc, owns 24B usd of it.
15:23 asciilifeform 'Wells Fargo said it had fired 5,300 employees found to have defrauded customers.' << gold
15:24 asciilifeform because - somehow - each of 5,300 (and strictly this number) did it on own, personal lark.
15:35 mats https://www.badgecameras.com/graphic-san-diego-police-chase-helo-flir-ends-brutal-suicide
15:35 mats bonus footage: dog takes a dump at the end
15:40 shinohai http://www.sikoba.com/www/presale/index.html <<< You just can't make these lulz up
15:41 shinohai Perhaps if I send then an IOU for the presale tokens all will be good?
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16:19 mircea_popescu lol "the sikoba platform"
16:19 mircea_popescu dorks learned ~0 since dotcom bubble burst did they.
16:20 mircea_popescu o check it out, you get 60% more worthless shit if you send 10 ethereum than if you send 40.
16:21 ben_vulpes impressive splatter on that one
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17:13 phf http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-25#1647755 << i think this is more of an american thing (and derivative cultures), because ru death metal fan stereotype is a lanky guy with long hair
17:13 a111 Logged on 2017-04-25 02:26 mircea_popescu: phf as a side point, do you know anyone totally into death methal with a bmi under 30 ?
17:14 phf like this random guy http://static.diary.ru/userdir/1/0/2/5/102541/31880545.jpg
17:19 phf actually lurkmore has the proper illustration >> http://lurkmore.so/images/b/b0/Doomres8by.gif
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18:10 mircea_popescu aha!
18:10 pete_dushenski hory shit vitalik speaks fluent mandarin https://twitter.com/cnLedger/status/856646381133381632
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18:48 pete_dushenski mats: heh quite the kaboom
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19:16 asciilifeform in other magas, https://archive.is/SaZEV >> 'A federal judge in California on Tuesday temporarily blocked the Trump administration’s efforts to withhold funding from cities that limit their cooperation with federal immigration enforcement...'
19:17 asciilifeform 'San Francisco and Santa Clara County, which had asked the judge for an injunction, “have a strong interest in avoiding unconstitutional federal enforcement and the significant budget uncertainty that has resulted from the Order’s broad and threatening language,” the judge wrote, referring to Mr. Trump’s January executive order on immigration.'
19:17 asciilifeform didjaknow.
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19:35 pete_dushenski https://archive.is/kb67L << "Here in the identity division at Microsoft, we don’t like passwords any more than you do! So we’ve been hard at work creating a modern way to sign in that doesn’t require upper and lowercase letters, numbers, a special character, and your favorite emoji."
19:35 pete_dushenski "With phone sign-in, we’re shifting the security burden from your memory to your device. Just add your account to the Android or iOS Microsoft Authenticator app, then enter your username as usual when signing in somewhere new. Instead of entering your password, you’ll get a notification on your phone. Unlock your phone, tap “Approve”, and you’re in."
19:36 pete_dushenski sounds like the future fo sho.
19:36 asciilifeform nah, fyootor is 'log in with your rfid cranial implant'
19:40 trinque !~bible rev 13:16
19:40 jhvh1 trinque: [KJV] Revelation 13:16 :: And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads:
19:42 pete_dushenski and that's how you end up with hebes wrapped in t'filin
19:42 trinque tinfoil t'filin ?
19:43 pete_dushenski as long as there's a little prayer scroll in all the tinfoil!
19:43 trinque lol
19:44 * pete_dushenski has worn. once. at 'wall'.
19:46 pete_dushenski don't think it brought me much closer to hashem. just have to wait for musk's tesla'filin for my salvation!
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21:16 danielpbarron apparently one of the firms developing that tech has a building at 666 5th Ave NYC
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21:35 mod6 my second run on the 2nd FG out of my bunch has completed. results here: http://www.mod6.net/fg/fg-test/fg2.ent_run2.txt http://www.mod6.net/fg/fg-test/fg2.dieharder_run2.txt
21:36 asciilifeform neato mod6
21:39 asciilifeform incidentally i had a thought re what an 'ideal dieharder' might look like.
21:39 asciilifeform imho it ought to return an ~algo~ for attempting a better-than-chance prediction of nth bit, given n;
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21:40 asciilifeform or of k-th bit, given bits k_i-j ... k_i , for some j.
21:40 asciilifeform because that's, really, what alleged 'weakness' means -- that you can say 'can predict...'
21:42 asciilifeform this generalization also exposes what exactly the 'minimal sample' is, likewise.
21:42 asciilifeform for very short input, algo will be likewise short. for long, well-entropic -- long. for long, poorly-entropic -- short.
21:43 asciilifeform the scalarization of 'weakness' is an absurdity. gotta make this -- specific -- claim.
21:43 asciilifeform * of k_i+1st bit
21:44 asciilifeform ideally this output (algo) would consist of a runnable lisp proggy.
21:44 asciilifeform that way you do not have to wonder wtf the particular test consisted of. and can immediately replicate.
21:45 asciilifeform (without a copy of the tester, even.)
21:45 asciilifeform btw i now realize that this entire idea isn't asciilifeform's, but actually greg chaitin's.
21:45 asciilifeform from 1990s.
21:45 asciilifeform described in almost exactly these terms.
21:45 asciilifeform but i haven't the original paper at hand, this is a 20y+ memory.
21:46 asciilifeform ( if anyone recalls where this was -- plz post !! )
21:47 asciilifeform until somebody suggests a better name, i'ma call this hypothetical method 'die maximally hard'.
21:47 asciilifeform (dmh).
21:47 mod6 heheh. i'll look for the posting
21:48 * asciilifeform quite enjoyed the ru sphere's name for dieharder, 'умри тяжело'
21:49 asciilifeform ( approx. 'go and die a hard death' )
21:50 asciilifeform poor ol' english folx, have not only toilet and sink in same rooms, but imperative same as infinitive verb...
21:54 mircea_popescu asciilifeform this is a pretty hard standard though.
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21:56 mod6 not sure that this is it, but a decent read anyway: https://www.cs.auckland.ac.nz/~chaitin/sciamer.html
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22:07 mod6 !~s Ada Big_Number
22:07 jhvh1 mod6: Error: "s" is not a valid command.
22:08 mod6 inconceivable
22:12 shinohai !~google Ada Big_Number
22:12 jhvh1 shinohai: Arbitrary length integer in Ada - Stack Overflow: <http://stackoverflow.com/questions/1309195/arbitrary-length-integer-in-ada>; The Big Number Page: <http://bignumber.chez.com/>; Ada –A Crash Course - VTC - Vermont Technical College: <http://web.vtc.edu/users/pcc09070/TutorialAda/AdaCrash.pdf>
22:17 mod6 I guess what I was looking for was this: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-03-29#1633709
22:17 a111 Logged on 2017-03-29 12:08 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-03-29#1633699 << it is a notbad library to study (no external deps!) -- but it DOES use heap.
22:18 mod6 I was thinking today about a ~tmsr~ crypto lib, and it starts (probably) thinking about bignum
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22:20 mod6 I did run across one on shithub that was implemented with a linkedlist. this seems like exactly what we wouldn't want.
22:28 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-26#1647926 << funnily enough, it's what i'm polishing for release as we speak.
22:28 a111 Logged on 2017-04-26 02:18 mod6: I was thinking today about a ~tmsr~ crypto lib, and it starts (probably) thinking about bignum
22:28 mod6 !
22:28 mod6 That's exciting asciilifeform
22:28 asciilifeform since mod6 mentioned subj, i'll say a bit
22:29 asciilifeform thing is optimized for -- strictly -- constant (always-worst-case) time and space usage; and fits-in-head (in that order)
22:31 asciilifeform so not only , e.g., comparison, but addition, subtraction, take same number of ops regardless of what bits are set
22:31 asciilifeform and all ints have fixed max width ( set at warmup )
22:31 mod6 aha. ok.
22:32 mod6 this is pretty similar to the semi-counterintuitive idea i had been thinking about -- or more probably, was remembering from a previous discussion in here about the same.
22:32 asciilifeform no normalization, either - adding 8kb of zero to another 8kb of zero takes same time as any other possible pair of 8kb bitstrings.
22:32 mod6 right on. very cool.
22:32 asciilifeform and no seekritbit-dependent branches.
22:32 asciilifeform anywhere.
22:33 asciilifeform ( in the arithm ops, that is )
22:33 asciilifeform for some peculiar reason, everybody else (afaik) who implemented a bignumtron, only did this (or claimed, at any rate) for modular exponentiation -- but not for its subcomponent ops
22:35 asciilifeform the usual argument is 'that'd be slow'
22:36 asciilifeform but that's transparently bogus, rsa has 0 business ever running in anything but worst case spacetime
22:36 asciilifeform ( and on encrypt, as well as decrypt end ! leaking plaintext isn't more forgivable on transmitter end than on receiver )
22:38 mircea_popescu so how slow is it ?
22:42 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: the only palpably slow knob is prime-finding
22:43 asciilifeform (several min. on pc with no entropy bottleneck (i.e. FG present))
22:43 mod6 my re-run of eatblock is complete... will re-post stats etc here in a bit
22:44 mod6 asciilifeform: cool
22:44 asciilifeform aim is to cap the thing at its current ~1000 ln.
22:45 asciilifeform short and simple enough for even exceptionally impatient folx to read and grasp.
22:46 mod6 very exciting stuff
22:47 asciilifeform actually-- deadly boring stuff. and intentional. 0 surprises. 'schoolboy' algos for just about all arithm ops.
22:55 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-26#1647918 << was quite exactly this idea, but it also had the lisp outputs iirc
22:55 a111 Logged on 2017-04-26 01:56 mod6: not sure that this is it, but a decent read anyway: https://www.cs.auckland.ac.nz/~chaitin/sciamer.html
22:56 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-26#1647917 << imho it's the only sane standard. rng 'weakness' can only be expressed properly as a 'predictor'. anything else is 'suggestively named token'
22:56 a111 Logged on 2017-04-26 01:54 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform this is a pretty hard standard though.
22:56 mod6 <+asciilifeform> actually-- deadly boring stuff. and intentional. 0 surprises. 'schoolboy' algos for just about all arithm ops. << that's just it though. excitingly boring.
22:57 asciilifeform lol!
22:58 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: so, to take example, if you found a rng that turns out to emit digits of pi -- the proof-of-weakness will be plouffe's algo.
22:58 mircea_popescu plouffe's algo took until 2010 to be spit out. by plouffe.
22:59 mircea_popescu notwithstanding it is trivial in that "olympiad problem" sense.
22:59 asciilifeform 2001 iirc
22:59 mircea_popescu right.
22:59 mircea_popescu my 2001 is alt-spelled.
23:00 asciilifeform but note that it dun have to be 'nth digit' , can also be 'next digit', o(n) , works just as well.
23:00 asciilifeform for weakness proof.
23:00 mircea_popescu the principle of the thing though. it is an exceptionally hard standard
23:00 mircea_popescu not without theoretical merit ; but in practice imponderable.
23:04 asciilifeform on the contrary -- all of the classical tests can be cleanly rewritten in this form
23:04 asciilifeform at least, all of the meaningful ones...
23:05 asciilifeform we aren't speaking of an ~optimal~ predictor, note
23:05 asciilifeform ( that's provably undecidable )
23:06 asciilifeform but of ~any~ better-than-chance predictor.
23:07 asciilifeform any rng test can be rewritten as a producer of a predictor. or the test is rubbish.
23:09 asciilifeform possibly the pi example was a poor one -- no ~automated~ tester, will ever find it, unless specifically made to
23:11 asciilifeform ( the digits of pi do not autocorrelate, as far as anybody ever publicly found, in any other way )
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