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02:12 pete_dushenski "WARNING: asciilifeform_blackhole_reads.vpatch.asciilifeform.sig is an INVALID seal for asciilifeform_blackhole_reads.vpatch!" << anyone else seen this error ? my vtron is barfing this up even though my gpgtron says it's a good sig.
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02:48 BingoBoingo pete_dushenski: Have you tried to refer to them with different pronouns in an effort to appease them? Maybe instead of "tron" they prefer "tractor" or "dragonbane"
02:48 BingoBoingo brb, sleep
02:50 mod6 which version of V are you using?
02:56 mod6 !!key asciilifeform
02:57 deedbot http://wot.deedbot.org/17215D118B7239507FAFED98B98228A001ABFFC7.asc
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03:13 mod6 anyway, if you have alf's most updated key, the vpatch verfifies the seal for me.
03:13 mod6 If you're using V (99994) the reason that you won't see it in the flow is because it needs to be reground: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/Hu0ab/?raw=true
03:14 mod6 In the new version, if a vpatch doesn't have *ALL* antecedents present in the flow, it is dropped on the floor.
03:15 mod6 now why you saw the INVALID seal message im not too sure. could be you have a stale key of his, or perhaps the seal wasn't quite named correctly.
03:15 mod6 need more information to go on.
03:16 mod6 will follow up again tomorrow.
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04:04 danielpbarron !!deed http://danielpbarron.com/NVIDIA-Linux-x86_64.asc
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05:34 deedbot http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/62716703258F0344011B0EFF9E9FA81ECF673AF9D47208601BC72B454CC3DD77 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1165...6197 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '77.37.12.59 (ssh-rsa key from 77.37.12.59 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (harklink.de. DE HE)
05:34 deedbot http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/62716703258F0344011B0EFF9E9FA81ECF673AF9D47208601BC72B454CC3DD77 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1332...6409 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '77.37.12.59 (ssh-rsa key from 77.37.12.59 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (harklink.de. DE HE)
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06:20 deedbot http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/CA8D1813137B5AC2A09FF97A116C045441C4502EC10A037B96DF2FC5E735100F << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1490...4753 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '82.210.9.42 (ssh-rsa key from 82.210.9.42 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (82.210.9.42.rev.worldbone.de. DE)
06:20 deedbot http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/CA8D1813137B5AC2A09FF97A116C045441C4502EC10A037B96DF2FC5E735100F << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1552...1063 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '82.210.9.42 (ssh-rsa key from 82.210.9.42 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (82.210.9.42.rev.worldbone.de. DE)
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07:05 deedbot deeds online
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11:52 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-24#1647632 << << lemme guess, you use keychains, dontcha , pete_dushenski .
11:52 a111 Logged on 2017-04-24 06:12 pete_dushenski: "WARNING: asciilifeform_blackhole_reads.vpatch.asciilifeform.sig is an INVALID seal for asciilifeform_blackhole_reads.vpatch!" << anyone else seen this error ? my vtron is barfing this up even though my gpgtron says it's a good sig.
11:52 asciilifeform Just Say No to keychain.
11:54 asciilifeform ('even though my gpgtron says it's a good sig' means that you have up-to-date key ( asciilifeform removed the expir date of his mod this year ) but not an updated v-wot. )
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12:11 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-24#1647632 << you probably have the old (ie, expired) version of the key.
12:11 a111 Logged on 2017-04-24 06:12 pete_dushenski: "WARNING: asciilifeform_blackhole_reads.vpatch.asciilifeform.sig is an INVALID seal for asciilifeform_blackhole_reads.vpatch!" << anyone else seen this error ? my vtron is barfing this up even though my gpgtron says it's a good sig.
12:18 pete_dushenski just updated asciilifeform key with http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-24#1647637 and got same error message :(
12:18 a111 Logged on 2017-04-24 06:57 deedbot: http://wot.deedbot.org/17215D118B7239507FAFED98B98228A001ABFFC7.asc
12:18 asciilifeform pete_dushenski: upload the key, the seal, and the patch ??
12:19 asciilifeform pete_dushenski: and which vtron were you using ?
12:20 pete_dushenski the vtron version question is a good one. how do i check again ?
12:20 pete_dushenski might just be using an old one eh
12:20 pete_dushenski "Please Update Software Terrorist" (tm)
12:20 asciilifeform pete_dushenski: is it mod6's ?
12:21 pete_dushenski most definitely one of mod6 's
12:22 shinohai pete_dushenski: running V with no arguments gives the version number
12:23 pete_dushenski "Doc Version: 99995 K"
12:23 pete_dushenski ^from user manual
12:23 shinohai Now I remember u can `perl v.pl v`
12:23 shinohai for it too
12:23 pete_dushenski it's the first line in the manual too
12:31 shinohai In this week's shit Roger Ver's handler told him to say: https://twitter.com/rogerkver/status/853250894162350080
12:46 pete_dushenski related, https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/A36M6zgw5P7l2tgtTumLppUA4cgMV0dU0x1LtmUnuS-5_oVAXdAsJ17MBtaXUHnIsQW2ZXitX0kaYcJrMBoZGM_dGejG--aVoOCmMM0c1a2-6Ivnhkm_AkgwSIrV7ymaktIdS7QG
13:00 shinohai Run moar thinblocks
13:02 pete_dushenski also run moar #artdao http://archive.is/Sq9db << basically a way for js engineers to put even more starving artists out of work. man, it's stiff competition at the bottom
13:14 * pete_dushenski to run errands
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14:37 Framedragger re. http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-15#1644022 -- i don't really see where the plagiarism is. honest. the title ("collider")? the content (research had been done by monero project itself some time ago; *plenty* of discussion of RingCT outside #t (unless you define "discussion outside #t is not discussion", in which case you are right..tautologically))?
14:37 a111 Logged on 2017-04-15 14:09 mircea_popescu: incidentally Framedragger , do you have a working theory as why he didn't say "decentralized systems lab plagiarized #trilema" ?
14:38 Framedragger content's unoriginal and uninteresting, as far as i can see. why plagiarism of #t in particular?
14:39 mircea_popescu why, there's other venues discussing the problems with monero ?
14:39 Framedragger (it's possibly they did not acknowledge prior research on monero, done by monero itself. that's true. also, ipfs project plagiarised the above just ~now. that's also true.)
14:40 Framedragger you will laugh but there is e.g. /r/Monero , and it discussed unoriginality of above e.g. here https://www.reddit.com/r/Monero/comments/65dj7u/an_empirical_analysis_of_linkability_in_the/ (while giving references/links to outside stuff)
14:41 mircea_popescu now i gotta click reddit to see date
14:41 Framedragger i don't know, are you saying that ideas from #t in regards to what, ringCT vulnerabilities? - have been taken?
14:41 mircea_popescu man. 10 days ago ?
14:41 Framedragger that particular link is new. because it discusses this very monerolink webshit.
14:43 Framedragger i'm not the best devil's advocate (nor do i want to be). maybe i can find something better and more concrete, true. it's just.. attribution of this much political clout to #t.. that'd sure be *grand*, and (hopefully) the case in the future. but i just dunno, man.
14:43 mircea_popescu what's political to do with anything ? first guy to describe calculus is first guy to describe calculus.
14:45 Framedragger so to construct a counterargument, i'd have to dig into what particular 'novel' stuff monerolink is claiming, and what particular vulns were discussed by monero project prior to this stuff. i can't be bothered, though - just don't care about monero that much - does that mean that i now have to default to "all shit is stolen from #t!"
14:45 Framedragger i *guess* it's a sane default? hm.
14:46 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2016-08-30#1532069 <<
14:46 a111 Logged on 2016-08-30 17:29 asciilifeform: davout: 'ring signatures' are not the promised 'invisibility cloak', but more of a smoke grenade.
14:46 mircea_popescu the original question was, that since you seemed to either imply or embrace the thesis that ~he~ so defaults, you are then at liberty to explain the observed datapoint where he does not.
14:46 asciilifeform we discusses the ~fundamental~ problem with monero's signature scheme.
14:46 asciilifeform that remains, quite irrespective of which particular sig algo were to be used.
14:46 mircea_popescu this you opted to discuss in "objective" terms, which whatever, you then later decided you don't want to discuss. fine. but the question was why doesn't ~he~ so claim.
14:46 Framedragger asciilifeform: thanks, i recall, and will try to reread later to see how particular that one was.
14:48 Framedragger mircea_popescu: yeah, i suppose i follow. hrr, ok i'll need to see what in particular was revealed/claimed in #t. besides "it's snake oil!"; i do hope that if/when aes is broken, #t doesn't go out saying "#t said all symmetric crypto is snakeoil! plagiarism!!"
14:49 mircea_popescu lol. hey, mebbe it will, mebbe it won't.
14:51 Framedragger (i'll go right ahead and reserve mine: (1) "euclid was snakeoil!"; and (2) "euler was snakeoil!" << there, now when totient function is broken or rsa is broken or any public key crypto scheme is broken, i'll have free pitchfork credit.) (i joke, i joke)
14:51 asciilifeform Framedragger: deliberately playing idiot ? or is the difference between a proof (e.g. euclid's) and a conjecture (rsa) not apparent to Framedragger ?
14:52 Framedragger asciilifeform: i am deliberately being snarky. please don't spend cpu cycles decoding this remark
14:52 Framedragger (but yeah i see what you mean, of course there's a massive difference)
14:54 Framedragger re. http://btcbase.org/log/2016-08-30#1532069 there was nothing beyond ~= "is snakeoil" but i do recall more particular points being addressed some time before or after, so will dig up
14:54 a111 Logged on 2016-08-30 17:29 asciilifeform: davout: 'ring signatures' are not the promised 'invisibility cloak', but more of a smoke grenade.
14:55 mircea_popescu asciilifeform i think he's trying to save on reading.
14:55 asciilifeform Framedragger: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-03-05#1422836 << orig. thread with asciilifeform vs author of subj
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14:55 a111 Logged on 2016-03-05 19:28 fluffypony: stealth addresses provide unlinkability, ring signatures provide untraceability
14:55 Framedragger ah, ty!
14:56 * Framedragger will read before barfing more
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15:33 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-24#1647706 << since we're on it, re the dating, i'll attest that while this may have been first publication, it was certainly discussed privately for 6-12 months prior.
15:33 a111 Logged on 2017-04-24 18:55 asciilifeform: Framedragger: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-03-05#1422836 << orig. thread with asciilifeform vs author of subj
15:34 Framedragger mircea_popescu: fair enough, but how are 'private discussions' in this context (plagiarism allegation) any different from http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-05#1637638
15:34 a111 Logged on 2017-04-05 13:53 mircea_popescu: this was discussed in developer meetings cca michelangelo. what of it ?
15:34 mircea_popescu specifically http://btcbase.org/log/2014-09-09#823434 came after intel completed internal review of the thing.
15:34 a111 Logged on 2014-09-09 14:10 mircea_popescu: hey fluffypony do you plan to eventually sell the monero idea here once it reaches some sort of maturity or do you just plan to wait indefinitely for b-a to figure it out ?
15:35 mircea_popescu Framedragger i'm not proposing it does anything. but jus' saying for it being said.
15:35 Framedragger yeah, good to note, k.
15:36 mircea_popescu anyway. the thing here is that the concept, if not the particular implementation, is actually very interesting.
15:37 mircea_popescu though as alf well points out last we had this, it may well be actually self-contradictory, this concept.
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15:52 asciilifeform i don't have a rigorous proof. ( though -- would much like to. )
15:52 asciilifeform however i'm just about as certain that it is self-contradictory, as that, e.g., p!=np.
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16:49 mircea_popescu btw, did we do thailand ?
16:50 mircea_popescu usg tried agent orange, thing went poorly, reached some heights of lulz ("the government is completely functional except it is meeting in a secret location" while usg.protestors were overrunning abandoned airport terminals etc cca 2012) and then military org took over in 2014 and that's that for nato-istan in thailand.
16:50 mircea_popescu somehow very gingerly unmentioned in the list of rice-clinton successes.
16:52 mircea_popescu (they are passive-agressively yakking of "Corruption", of course, which is a major heading in the wikitardia entry on thailand but not, say, the us, or uk, or any other actually corrupt shitholes.)
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18:09 deedbot http://qntra.net/2017/04/echos-of-the-great-again-france-pits-moderate-populist-against-hard-left-socialist-in-general-election/ << Qntra - Echos Of The Great Again: France Pits Moderate Populist Against Hard Left Socialist In General Election
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18:59 Framedragger BingoBoingo: s/to due/due to/
18:59 Framedragger very nice article btw hehe
19:02 Framedragger i will also use this occasion to comment on the fact that i managed to almost spill tea when opening trilema.com and seeing the intense gaze of mp in photo breaking 4th wall
19:14 mircea_popescu lol!
19:15 mircea_popescu portrait of the artist as a young trotsky
19:15 BingoBoingo ty fxd
19:29 mod6 <+shinohai> Now I remember u can `perl v.pl v` << yeah `./v.pl v`
19:37 mod6 !~later tell pete_dushenski Hey, let's take a look at that when you have a minute tonight. Salud!
19:37 jhvh1 mod6: The operation succeeded.
19:39 mod6 In other news, my eatblock re-test is at 433K+ & into blk0042; not much more to go there...
19:40 mod6 Still doing more fg tests.
19:40 shinohai Oh cool mod6 ... hmu when it fully syncs please.
19:41 phf new talk from idlewords, this one's a miss. if you start reading it, and wonder if it gets better: it gets worse. http://idlewords.com/talks/build_a_better_monster.htm
19:50 mod6 shinohai: sure will do. it's just the eatblock test. once it's complete, i'll re-run all of the charts & metrics
19:50 mod6 (now that this run will also show db read wait as well)
19:53 deedbot http://trilema.com/2017/a-man-and-a-woman/ << Trilema - A man and a woman...
20:04 Framedragger phf: will read later but i'm getting lots of "regulate, regulate, regulate!" vibe. also possibly too much mindrot from his recent escapades to save tech world from trump ('tech solidarity')
20:05 Framedragger wonder if that's what you meant, but will see. sigh
20:06 phf yeap, i missed the "tech solidarity" thing so i was surprised by the strong "march for science!1" angle, and yes also regulate.
20:08 phf "Upcoming events: Portland"
20:15 ben_vulpes perhaps some day i shall relate the saga of the stillborn "PICOC", or "Portland Independent Chamber of Commerce" or "Californians Attempting to Carve Themselves a Slice of Relevancy by Advertising Their Seriously Cutting-Edge Aid to the Poor Programs"
20:16 ben_vulpes since rebranded as "Business for a Better Portland"
20:16 ben_vulpes why bother to get in bed with the actual power structure when you can just proclaim yourself first biggest best and disrupt them from the outside
20:17 ben_vulpes housing should be free!
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21:48 phf asciilifeform: you'll find this amusing, http://www.nncpgo.org. a very odd mixture of good (xdr for serialization, modeled after uucp) and bad ideas (written in go to begin with). but written by a one man cypherpunk, http://www.stargrave.org a stereotypical ru programmer, really into RMS, copyleft, and death metal. guy also wrote http://www.govpn.info and http://www.cypherpunks.ru/gogost/ (a GOST!! implementation in go). former FIDO node. what a c
21:48 phf haracter
21:49 phf one of those by the books 90s хакер но НЕ путайте с крекер, потому что хакер изначально blah blah blah people. i thought they all died out
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22:26 mircea_popescu ben_vulpes kinda typical californy nonsense, really.
22:26 mircea_popescu phf as a side point, do you know anyone totally into death methal with a bmi under 30 ?
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22:41 mod6 hey! it works! Kinda... http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/zAJ4N/?raw=true
22:48 mircea_popescu whassthis ?
22:49 shinohai \o/
22:54 mod6 oh just me dorking around with Ada.
22:54 mod6 just getting my feet wet.
22:55 mircea_popescu a nice.
23:01 shinohai https://www.reddit.com/r/libreboot/comments/66tdds/proposal_for_libreboot_rejoin_gnu_community/ <<< bwahahahaha
23:02 mircea_popescu o noes, the shithead's ploy failed ?!
23:05 deedbot http://trilema.com/2017/items-from-my-newspaper/ << Trilema - Items from my newspaper
23:05 shinohai It's all good now, no moar ragequit because she haz partner.
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23:37 mod6 http://trilema.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/04/fuckgoats-unboxing-1.jpg << this addressing "scheme" is quite lulzy
23:38 mod6 nevermind building numbers or whatever, just go north three screens through the lost woods, west one screen, north one screen, then burn the 3rd bush from the right to find the entrance.
23:39 mod6 THIS ISN'T MAIL! IT'S A QUEST!
23:42 BingoBoingo http://www.jameslafond.com/article.php?id=7484
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