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00:34 BingoBoingo Oh, look what third world shithole will be the beneficiary of Twitter-Payments Edition's IPO http://www.stltoday.com/business/local/ferguson-could-be-beneficiary-of-square-public-offering/article_353be58d-0e55-58b1-881d-94da6ad52e07.html
00:34 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1RJiyOD )
00:34 BingoBoingo "The first beneficiary of the foundation, Dorsey said via Twitter, would be Ferguson, a city that he visited during the unrest that followed the August 2014 fatal shooting of Michael Brown, 18, by police Officer Darren Wilson."
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00:56 BingoBoingo http://blogs.sciencemag.org/pipeline/archives/2015/10/13/something-has-happened-to-zafgen-but-what
00:56 assbot Something Has Happened to Zafgen, But What? | In the Pipeline ... ( http://bit.ly/1G6QfIF )
00:58 BingoBoingo Their chem http://blogs.sciencemag.org/pipeline/archives/2012/10/17/zafgens_epoxide_adventure
00:58 assbot Zafgen’s Epoxide Adventure | In the Pipeline ... ( http://bit.ly/1G6QlA0 )
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01:46 BingoBoingo https://archive.is/HqgnT << BMI... actually seems pretty reliable
01:46 assbot This Is What Women With The Same BMI Look Like Side By Side ... ( http://bit.ly/1jpLMqD )
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04:50 davout ohai all
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04:51 BingoBoingo hai
04:52 punkman bon dia
04:52 davout tlp article "Academics Hide Drug Company Payments" pretty interesting, and definitely not limited to pharma
04:53 davout kept relating it to other flavors of stupidity while reading it
05:02 punkman http://www.hebaamin.com/arabian-street-artists-bomb-homeland-why-we-hacked-an-award-winning-series/
05:05 punkman might as well be "viral marketing" from the studio that runs that
05:08 punkman https://citizenlab.org/2015/10/mapping-finfishers-continuing-proliferation/
05:08 assbot Pay No Attention to the Server Behind the Proxy: Mapping FinFisher’s Continuing Proliferation - The Citizen Lab ... ( http://bit.ly/1MDdmMh )
05:11 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30750 @ 0.00047407 = 14.5777 BTC [-] {4}
05:21 davout punkman: aka "the dangers of getting asian stuff inked"
05:22 funkenstein_ http://dpaste.com/0MJK5WR <-- this noob (/me) can't figure out how that was made
05:22 assbot dpaste: 0MJK5WR ... ( http://bit.ly/1MDfpjk )
05:23 davout funkenstein_: what was?
05:23 funkenstein_ gpg encrypted message for "everyone"
05:24 funkenstein_ just ascii armor i guess but how to make it?
05:25 davout looks signed and armored
05:25 davout not encrypted
05:26 BingoBoingo funkenstein_ punkman davout: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-10-2015#1299284 will stay open for at least a few more hours if anyone wants to give it a try
05:26 assbot Logged on 15-10-2015 03:18:30; BingoBoingo: Seriously if anyone wants a ready packed "My First Qntra Piece" http://www.londonstockexchange.com/exchange/news/market-news/market-news-detail/12538849.html
05:26 davout http://dpaste.com/10DHB52
05:26 assbot dpaste: 10DHB52 ... ( http://bit.ly/1MDfROq )
05:27 davout $11mn pre-money. lol.
05:28 davout "when it completes its anticipated Series A funding in the first half of 2016." <<< sure.
05:28 funkenstein_ aha thanks davout, so "gpg --sign -a mytext.txt" is how it was made
05:35 funkenstein_ "For the 9 months ended 30 September 2015 Factom had gross sales of US$628,337 (resulting in a trading loss of US$358,142 for the period). "
05:35 funkenstein_ sorry Bingo I can't figure out whats going on here :P
05:35 BingoBoingo funkenstein_: Story is what happened to the crowdfunders...
05:35 BingoBoingo Already in log
05:36 davout !s factom
05:36 assbot 2 results for 'factom' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=factom
05:36 funkenstein_ well then those are some gross sales
05:37 davout BingoBoingo: pls to point
05:38 BingoBoingo davout: Crowdfunders got converted to vaporware "software licensees" not really urgent or important. Just opportunity for anyone who wants to try sharpening their vitriol.
05:39 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10500 @ 0.00047213 = 4.9574 BTC [-] {2}
05:42 davout aha, so crowdfunders supposed to get stock, but end up with worthless factom tokens
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05:43 davout so basically the first crowdsale scam is used to pimp the financial reports of the company, in order to pull off the second scam, the the seed round
05:43 davout fucking brilliant
05:48 BingoBoingo <davout> aha, so crowdfunders supposed to get stock, but end up with worthless factom tokens << NOt even tokens, licenses
05:48 BingoBoingo But yeah. Easy way for someone who wants to test their outrage organ to try a qntra.
05:52 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20600 @ 0.00047183 = 9.7197 BTC [-] {4}
05:52 HeySteve https://beyondbitcoin.org/charles-hoskinson-critiques-bitshares-technology-adoption-management-and-respect/
05:52 assbot Charles Hoskinson Critiques BitShares Technology, Adoption, Management and Respect - Beyondbitcoin.org ... ( http://bit.ly/1GIbuLP )
05:54 punkman BingoBoingo: I think "software license" was there because they didn't want to say "coin"
05:55 BingoBoingo punkman: That is a poor way to be a charitable reader.
05:59 HeySteve I'm interested in BTS for a project to secure rental deposits using cryptocurrency
06:00 HeySteve alternatives methods involve centralised services
06:00 punkman BingoBoingo: the "1500 software purchasers" refers to buyers of their token sale, not the equity sale
06:01 BingoBoingo Are you sure?
06:01 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12350 @ 0.0004711 = 5.8181 BTC [-]
06:01 punkman https://bnktothefuture.com/pitches/2087/_factom-inc-bringing-the-blockchain-to-business.html
06:01 assbot Factom Inc. - Bringing the Blockchain to Business ... ( http://bit.ly/1PiCUjq )
06:01 punkman they also sold 7.8% of their shares to a 3rd party which then sold to 406 crowdfunders
06:02 BingoBoingo There's subtleties to this mess
06:03 punkman whoever wrote the londonstockexchange announcement just looked at the coindesk article
06:04 BingoBoingo Or did they write the coindesk article?
06:04 BingoBoingo Or some other sort of inbreeding
06:04 BingoBoingo ?
06:07 punkman also Factom Foundation and Factom Inc are supposedly separate entities
06:08 punkman so I guess first token sale was done by the "Foundation", then "Inc" sold some more tokens and equity
06:09 BingoBoingo There's a lotta scamception here, yes
06:10 BingoBoingo But if any actual person is losing their shirt to Factom it is too late to save them.
06:14 shinohai I still want to do a Qntra piece BingoBoingo, dunno if I can do a factom story. Wow though.
06:15 BingoBoingo Give it a try. I'll be sleeping soon. No hurry.
06:20 punkman shinohai: well if you go for it, here's a starting point http://blog.factom.org/post/113836562744/announcing-the-factom-software-sale
06:20 assbot Factom — Announcing the Factom Software Sale ... ( http://bit.ly/1PiFohy )
06:26 davout punkman: wow, the foundation vs. inc thing does sound scammy as fuck. in addition to the business model itself that is :D
06:27 punkman this proliferation of "javascript required" blank pages is getting annoying
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06:27 punkman I think I should make a little script that does the reverse, if you have js turned on, it deletes all the page contents
06:31 punkman meanwhiles google no longer gives a fuck http://googlewebmastercentral.blogspot.com/2015/10/deprecating-our-ajax-crawling-scheme.html
06:31 assbot Official Google Webmaster Central Blog: Deprecating our AJAX crawling scheme ... ( http://bit.ly/1PiGRoe )
06:37 shinohai https://www.reddit.com/r/Buttcoin/comments/3oqmzc/malleability_stresstests_and_other_bitcoin/
06:37 assbot Malleability, stress-tests and other Bitcoin problems. AMA : Buttcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1PiHE8H )
06:46 davout guy rings on doorbells before running away laughing, "i can nuke your mansion"?
06:47 davout either extremely stupid, or subtly trolling /r/buttcoin
06:55 shinohai Trolling everyone that will listen, wasn't that the motherboard attention whore ?
06:59 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24900 @ 0.0004782 = 11.9072 BTC [+] {3}
07:08 davout shinohai: looks like it
07:10 jurov https://freedom-to-tinker.com/blog/haldermanheninger/how-is-nsa-breaking-so-much-crypto/
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07:10 assbot How is NSA breaking so much crypto? ... ( http://bit.ly/1Lm3G4h )
07:10 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17000 @ 0.00047737 = 8.1153 BTC [-] {3}
07:10 jurov "For the most common strength of Diffie-Hellman (1024 bits), it would cost a few hundred million dollars to build a machine, based on special purpose hardware, that would be able to crack one Diffie-Hellman prime every year."
07:20 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5400 @ 0.00047989 = 2.5914 BTC [+]
07:25 jurov ;;isup qntra.net
07:25 gribble qntra.net is up
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08:25 davout jurov: pretty interdasting
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10:23 shinohai LAWL >>> http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/2015/10/14/illinois_lottery_short_on_cash_starts_paying_ious.html
10:24 assbot Illinois lottery short on cash starts paying IOUs. ... ( http://bit.ly/1k7dw3h )
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10:25 davout "paying"
10:31 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30900 @ 0.00047262 = 14.604 BTC [-]
10:34 shinohai https://pbs.twimg.com/media/COUfYy8UsAA8TWF.png
10:34 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1k7eMn6 )
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11:09 mircea_popescu o look at that, time for the monthly ddos trilema exercise in futility ?
11:12 jurov dig qntra.net @8.8.8.8 gets SERVFAIL
11:12 jurov from here
11:12 jurov trilema.com same
11:13 mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-10-2015#1299295 << except we weren't discussing iceboxes, we were discussing iphones ; and "casinos" and business organizers bought on time.
11:13 assbot Logged on 15-10-2015 03:22:38; asciilifeform: but how is this a cargo cult? what i'm seeing is a very small but functioning airplane
11:13 mircea_popescu or at least i was at any rate.
11:13 mircea_popescu jurov aha.
11:16 mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-10-2015#1299303 << all soviets forever produce record productions of products.
11:16 assbot Logged on 15-10-2015 03:27:48; asciilifeform: advertise 'we sold ten tonnes of meat', but no reason to mention what % is maggot
11:16 mircea_popescu it's the thing.
11:18 mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-10-2015#1299334 << hola. will be sending your thing later today!
11:18 assbot Logged on 15-10-2015 08:50:46; davout: ohai all
11:19 davout a happiness is me
11:19 mircea_popescu lol
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11:42 mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-10-2015#1299369 << reddit did this exact thing.
11:42 assbot Logged on 15-10-2015 09:42:48; davout: aha, so crowdfunders supposed to get stock, but end up with worthless factom tokens
11:42 mircea_popescu sec had nothing to say on the topic.
11:45 mircea_popescu assbot: Malleability, stress-tests and other Bitcoin problems. << "me being fat, stupid, and other problems of reality"
11:45 mircea_popescu yeah, im totally ultra-sure bitcoin cares about all the particular way people who got their egos wounded by it misunderstand or misrepresent it.
11:47 mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-10-2015#1299428 <<< bwhahaha.
11:47 assbot Logged on 15-10-2015 14:24:03; assbot: Illinois lottery short on cash starts paying IOUs. ... ( http://bit.ly/1k7dw3h )
11:47 mircea_popescu this isn't a scam however.
11:47 mircea_popescu it's only a scam if not-government does it.
11:47 mircea_popescu if government does it, it's governance.
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11:53 phf but no reason to mention what % is maggot << no reason because su had maggot % written into GOSTs. any more or less, and you're vreditel and counterrevolutionary. in america all meat has maggots because customers come to expect, unless you buy at gourmet store in which case ask specifically for "maggot free"
11:53 mircea_popescu lol insufficient maggot in meat wrecking natl economy!
11:54 mircea_popescu tru to life too. "he tried to make the trains wear out the rail!"
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11:55 mircea_popescu "For the nerds in the audience, here’s what’s wrong: If a client and server are speaking Diffie-Hellman, they first need to agree on a large prime number with a particular form. There seemed to be no reason why everyone couldn’t just use the same prime, and, in fact, many applications tend to use standardized or hard-coded primes. But there was a very important detail that got lost in translation between the math
11:55 mircea_popescu ematicians and the practitioners: an adversary can perform a single enormous computation to “crack” a particular prime, then easily break any individual connection that uses that prime."
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11:55 mircea_popescu derp.
11:56 * mircea_popescu vaguely remembers an obscure discussion about exponents and whatnot, which consisted of a guy asking on some derp social media sites about one of my articles, and getting an "expert" answer within hours.
11:56 mircea_popescu much to everyone's feigned surprise, ITS THE STANDARDS, STUPID.
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12:13 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3600 @ 0.00048301 = 1.7388 BTC [-]
12:16 shinohai https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/local/wp/2015/10/14/d-c-church-says-a-bike-lane-would-infringe-upon-its-constitutional-rights-of-religious-freedom/
12:16 assbot D.C. church says a bike lane would infringe upon its constitutional ‘rights of religious freedom’ - The Washington Post ... ( http://bit.ly/1Msc4PA )
12:17 punkman is it the Church of Hamplanets?
12:19 shinohai xD
12:20 mircea_popescu win
12:20 mircea_popescu fucking bike lanes.
12:21 davout "The parking loss would place an unconstitutionally undue burden on people who want to pray, the church argues"
12:21 shinohai I suppose it never occurred to them to pray about it, leave it in God's hands and all.
12:21 shinohai ./s
12:21 davout nutjobs
12:22 mircea_popescu lol
12:23 mircea_popescu argentina is pretty much the only place i've seen that has the sanity to cut bike lanes out of the street. everyone seems to always cut them out of fucking sidewalks.
12:23 mircea_popescu in other news, http://thelastpsychiatrist.com/images/me.JPG
12:23 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1MscCFl )
12:23 davout dutch bike lanes, best bike lanes
12:23 davout fietspads yo
12:24 davout the netherlands, the place where they cut roads from bike lanes
12:25 mircea_popescu i see a road and a sidewalk
12:25 davout "Là, tout n'est qu'ordre et beauté, Luxe, calme et volupté."
12:25 mircea_popescu and if a bunch of biking fucktards move on that sidewalk ima start carrying a billy club
12:26 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3232 @ 0.00047495 = 1.535 BTC [-]
12:27 shinohai There was a guy lived a few streets over that got locked up for throwing water-filled condoms at any Mexican that rode by his house on a bike.
12:27 asciilifeform !up ascii_field
12:28 ascii_field mircea_popescu: caltrops!
12:28 davout such haet
12:28 mircea_popescu no but i fucking hate that shit. "you know what we'll do to fix the problem of dumbass cars encroaching on pedestrian everything ? we'll make cheaper cvasi-cars so all the dumbass hipsters who can't afford a car can still get in your way"
12:29 mircea_popescu i occasionally ~used to~ have altercation with dumbass bike derps who not only were on the sidewalk but had the unmitigated audacity to ring their dumbass bell.
12:29 davout lol
12:30 mircea_popescu i suppose i looked enough like i was gonna fucking kill them on the spot that they bitched and ran off each time, but hot damned i regret not having fed one his wheel.
12:30 ascii_field mircea_popescu: i always found it peculiar that bicycles are permitted on normal roads where i live - but not horses
12:30 mircea_popescu "oh, the town house painted a line on the sidewalk so it's half bycicle route now"
12:30 mircea_popescu "ima paint a line on your ass so it's half train depot"
12:30 ascii_field horse is faster
12:30 shinohai I have a bike, but around here you just ride in the damned street. I only use mine downtown to *avoid* traffic
12:30 ascii_field bicyclist causes column of cars behind him to waste far more fuel than he ever could hope to save
12:31 mircea_popescu fuck the whole lot of them, but if im running into bikers on the sidewalk ima get hteir heads.
12:32 mircea_popescu anyway, i must confess in this respect ba is very mp-conformant.
12:33 mircea_popescu nice wide sidewalks, and the biking nonsense is mostly in palermo (fucktard/ustard/libtard ghetto, where the diners have no service and the girls no sense of the cock.)
12:33 davout https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iudb0amH0sY <<< bike lanes look sane
12:33 assbot Attempted robbery at gunpoint caught on GoPro!!! - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1Msdt8V )
12:34 phf i like alleycat races..
12:34 davout anyway, best bike, is motor bike
12:36 davout highway's left lane, best bike lane
12:36 mircea_popescu eh get an unicycle.
12:37 mike_c ascii_field: bicycles don't crap in the street.
12:37 shinohai https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H_lijLYuw-o <<< mircea_popescu if the were bicyclists
12:37 assbot A Bronx Tale "now youse cant leave" - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1MsdKbO )
12:37 shinohai *they
12:37 mircea_popescu lol
12:38 mircea_popescu mike_c it's kinda good if you think about it. ma-nure. ma, which is good...
12:38 mike_c polyglot jokes go straight over my head :)
12:39 ascii_field mike_c: cars (at least as seen in usa) ~do~ shit on the street
12:39 mike_c they do, and the oil is annoying, but it doesn't smell as bad.
12:39 ascii_field not oil
12:39 ascii_field rubbish thrown from window
12:40 mike_c yes, but shit metaphorically is not as bad as shit actually.
12:41 mircea_popescu "The force for this change isn't coming from safety or ethics. Neither is it activism. If you see any group advocating influentially for change in a media they don't own or control, you can double down and split the 10s, the dealer is holding status and quo. No change is possible on someone else's dime, and if what looks like a supermodel approaches you with a microphone and a camera crew, you should run like she's Joh
12:41 mircea_popescu nny Carcosa. On occasion what the activists think they want may happen coincidentally to align with what the system wants, and from that moment on they will be lead to believe they are making a difference, which means they're making money for someone else.
12:41 mircea_popescu [...]
12:41 mircea_popescu Keeping in mind that actual stalking has never been dealt with in any significant way ever, the desire of a few female writers to curb online anonymity wouldn't be enough to get an @ mention, except that this happens to coincide with what the media wants, and now we have the two vectors summing to form a public health crisis. "Cyberbullying is a huge problem!" Yes, but not because it is hurtful, HA! no one cares about
12:41 mircea_popescu your feelings-- but because criticism makes women want to be more private-- and the privacy of the women is bad. The women have to be online, they do most of the clicking and receive most of the clicks. Anonymous cyberbullying is a barrier to increasing consumption, it's gotta go."
12:41 mircea_popescu ha!
12:41 mircea_popescu i was looking for this, yesterday.
12:42 davout shinohai: pretty cool
12:42 mircea_popescu the funny thing about "groups advocating influentially in media they don't own or control" is that the famelic good for nothing hipsters propose that THIS IS THE RIGHT WAY. ie, being someone's cockpuppet is somehow worthy, whereas if trump writes "fuck you" in his own fucking magazine, that's somehow "not fair" and you know, of "lesser value".
12:43 mircea_popescu and THEN they wanna be all "successful", or perceived as such, because hey, of the 5000 of them, one's necessarily gonna dribble in the general direction of future events by sheer happenstance - that's your successful dude!11
12:43 mircea_popescu nuts.
12:43 shinohai davout One of teh best movies evah
12:44 mircea_popescu If Hess has made you wonder, hmm, maybe unrestricted anonymity is bad because it gives trolls too much power, then the system has successfully used her for its true purpose: brand it as bad, to you. She is unwittingly teaching the demo of this article, e.g. women in their 20s with no actual power looking to establish themselves, who are the very people who should embrace anonymity, not to want this: only rapists and to
12:44 mircea_popescu o-weak-to-try rapists want to be anonymous. Smart women write clickable articles about their sexuality for nothing, because what good are you if you can't make someone else money? Interesting to observe that the article's single suggested solution to cyberharassment is to reframe a criminal problem into a civil rights issue using a logic so preposterously adolescent that if you laid this on your Dad when you were 16 he
12:44 mircea_popescu 'd backhand slap you right out of the glee club: "it discourages women from writing and earning a living online." Earning a living? From who, Gawker? Most of the women writing on the internet are writing for someone else who pays them next to nothing.
12:45 mircea_popescu anyway. im done with spamming ballas before i end up with his entire collected works in the log.
12:45 ascii_field we might already have them all in the log
12:45 ascii_field (as with naggum)
12:46 mircea_popescu in triplicate!
12:49 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25113 @ 0.00047186 = 11.8498 BTC [-] {3}
12:50 davout this kinda sounded familiar
12:51 davout http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=30-01-2015#998598 <<< that's why heh
12:51 assbot Logged on 30-01-2015 17:27:51; mircea_popescu: oo-weak-to-try rapists want to be anonymous. Smart women write clickable articles about their sexuality for nothing, because what good are you if you can't make someone else money? Interesting to observe that the article's single suggested solution to cyberharassment is to reframe a criminal problem into a civil rights issue using a logic so preposterously adolescent that if you laid this on your Dad
12:52 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5778 @ 0.00047301 = 2.7331 BTC [+]
12:52 davout http://www.lefigaro.fr/societes/2015/10/15/20005-20151015ARTFIG00087-volkswagen-l-allemagne-ordonne-le-rappel-de-24-millions-de-voitures.php <<< and so it begins
12:52 assbot L'Allemagne se fâche, Volkswagen rappelle 8,5 millions de véhicules
12:53 ascii_field and what, idiots will eagerly bring'em in for crippleware reflash ?
12:54 davout apparently that's the plan
12:54 ascii_field or does fr refuse citizens the sacred freedom to pollute ?
12:54 mircea_popescu i guess we get to find out how american europeans are these days
12:55 davout we do have occasional pollution checks
12:56 shinohai http://www.vice.com/read/the-philippines-is-still-pissed-off-that-vancouver-is-using-it-as-a-giant-garbage-bin-vgtrn <<< Canada likes pollution
12:56 assbot The Philippines Is Still Pissed Off That Canada Is Using It as a Giant Garbage Bin | VICE | United States ... ( http://bit.ly/1OFrrcb )
13:02 davout http://www.lemonde.fr/education/article/2015/10/15/en-moselle-des-enfants-testent-des-fusils-d-assaut-dans-leur-ecole_4790463_1473685.html <<< win
13:02 assbot En Moselle, des enfants testent des fusils d’assaut dans leur école ... ( http://bit.ly/1OFsSas )
13:15 asciilifeform !up ascii_field
13:16 ascii_field ;;isup qntra.net
13:16 gribble qntra.net is up
13:16 ascii_field mno
13:18 mircea_popescu haha what, you got a host to suggest ?
13:19 ascii_field not presently
13:20 mircea_popescu in other b-a news : world infrastructure is shit. in all respects, at every turn, everything.
13:20 ascii_field ny000z at 11!
13:20 mircea_popescu and bike is the new car.
13:20 ascii_field mno, grinding wheel is the new car
13:21 mircea_popescu iirc they had flying cars in the 20s, but then the socialists wanted to supress them and pretend like the street going car is the thing to get because that was all you can afford.
13:21 mircea_popescu hitler didn't want to go for this so they invaded germany to saddam hussein him.
13:22 mircea_popescu and now even cars are too much for the socialist derp to afford. so make way for the much "better" bike!
13:25 ascii_field http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-10-2015#1299466 << dh is an atavistic barbarism
13:25 assbot Logged on 15-10-2015 15:55:25; mircea_popescu: ematicians and the practitioners: an adversary can perform a single enormous computation to “crack” a particular prime, then easily break any individual connection that uses that prime."
13:26 mircea_popescu this is also why we use 4096.
13:26 mircea_popescu not so clear how much longer.
13:26 ascii_field and, to the extent it is used as popularly imagined ('two parties with no prior relation') easily mitmable and impossible to use as intended even in principle.
13:26 ascii_field mircea_popescu: we don't use dh!
13:26 ascii_field at least ~i~ don't
13:27 ascii_field http://mathworld.wolfram.com/Diffie-HellmanProtocol.html << for n00bz
13:27 assbot Diffie-Hellman Protocol -- from Wolfram MathWorld ... ( http://bit.ly/1OFyl0R )
13:28 mircea_popescu its in ssh innit ?
13:28 ascii_field it is traditionally in it, yes
13:28 ascii_field but ssh is a very configurable animal.
13:29 mircea_popescu but you're still going to use what the server can use.
13:29 ascii_field (a civilized setup will have rsa backing on both sides)
13:29 mircea_popescu my browser is also a very configurable animal, and the configuration mostly results in blank pages and "your site can't be used" emails.
13:30 ascii_field i can't recall the last time i ssh'd to something which i did not either set up personally or know the keeper of in meatspace.
13:30 ascii_field well, come to think of it, i can...
13:31 ascii_field RIP dulap
13:35 mircea_popescu how do you personally set up servers other than in physical proximity ?
13:35 mircea_popescu (i'm asking to learn!)
13:35 ascii_field one traditional method is the spot-welder school of thought.
13:36 ascii_field (configure the box, weld, deliver to pedestal)
13:37 mircea_popescu but you gotta be physically there.
13:37 ascii_field why?
13:38 mircea_popescu how do you weld at a distance ?
13:38 ascii_field you configure and weld at home.
13:38 ascii_field then post the box.
13:38 ascii_field (with courier, naturally)
13:38 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25400 @ 0.00048231 = 12.2507 BTC [+]
13:39 ascii_field ideally, you carry it to its resting place and arm the motion sensor personally.
13:40 ascii_field (lose keys if dislodged, etc)
13:40 mircea_popescu is this pretty much an exercise in runaway complexity ?
13:40 ascii_field no
13:40 ascii_field it is an exercise in approximating a solution where no clean solution exists.
13:40 mircea_popescu where do you buy the motion sensors ?
13:41 mircea_popescu this happens to be THE definition of runaway complexity.
13:42 mircea_popescu let's go at it the other way. first, historical recount :
13:42 ascii_field i see nothing 'runaway' about it. i can personally name five vendors for piezoelectric gyro, magnetometric, etc. sensors just from my head
13:42 mircea_popescu so we decided more or less on a lark to phuctor/s.nsa server. on the general expectation that hey, "commodified market" means you get stuff and it works and forget about it.
13:43 ascii_field and none cost more than 20bux
13:43 mircea_popescu it turns out that this is not true : "commodified market" actually means that there is no market - you can either not have a server and think you don't have a server ; or else not have a server and think you have a server. those two, no third and sure as fuck no having servers.
13:44 mircea_popescu seems a little twisting the screw is in order. fine. how do we go about it ?
13:44 mircea_popescu but reasonably, mind.
13:44 ascii_field mircea_popescu: and to think, we could have carried on 'thinking we have a server' if phuctor had found nothing.
13:44 mircea_popescu indeed.
13:44 mircea_popescu so the correct approach here would be for coloing boxes you personaly doctor and fedex to location ?
13:44 ascii_field mircea_popescu: what would it cost to house it in physical plant you actually own ?
13:45 mircea_popescu i don't want to connect these, so infinity.
13:45 mircea_popescu but this is implementation, i was discussing design
13:45 ascii_field know anyone who might ?
13:46 mircea_popescu who might ? dozens of people.
13:46 mircea_popescu might is the mind killer.
13:46 asciilifeform !up ascii_field
13:47 ascii_field ... design ?
13:47 ascii_field as in, what to place in the crate ?
13:47 mircea_popescu no, of the process.
13:48 ascii_field process, much as i am loathe to admit it, would have to involve an airplane and a trip to some godforsaken pesthole.
13:48 ascii_field because fedex is an invitation to hitler's can opener
13:49 mircea_popescu basically, trying rto sound out a sort of "b-a best practices hardware server upbringing"
13:49 ascii_field but iirc mircea_popescu asked for 'reasonable'
13:49 mircea_popescu as a last ditch before going "fuck this shit, all our things are to be held on zombie computers"
13:53 ascii_field at any rate, the procedure i suggested is only half a solution. because it merely helps to establish the fact of the betrayal ('caught man-sized figure moving near cabinet, power lost in 3 seconds'; 'chassis lost power for 10 minutes, moves three metres' etc)
13:53 ascii_field but can do nothing else.
13:53 ascii_field still stuck with the misery of moving from host to host.
13:53 mircea_popescu more importantly, how about some basic skuldulgery on the boards ?
13:53 mircea_popescu like, physically cut the races for impi or w/e bullshit.\
13:54 ascii_field trivial
13:54 ascii_field but there is no reason anyone should be able to get inside the box without triggering the scram.
13:54 mircea_popescu this sort of thing. costs nothing to do, completely blows minds on the other side.
13:54 mircea_popescu whart do you care, scram.
13:54 mircea_popescu the point is not to protect who knows what secrets that shouldn't be there anyway.
13:55 mircea_popescu the point is to entice the enemy into spending his shirt.
13:55 ascii_field then my cameraball.
13:55 mircea_popescu (something he's more than willing to do - hey, needs more budget)
13:55 ascii_field (see ancient thread)
13:55 mircea_popescu you want a saltwater datacenter ?
13:55 ascii_field wouldn't that be spiffy
13:55 mircea_popescu notrly.
13:56 ascii_field cameraball is a hypothetical device consisting of sealed pyrex sphere with two fish-eye cameras inside. charged and addressed via induction coil. contains a certain amount of eeprom, signs each frame with rsa key, which is zeroed if the glass is penetrated.
13:56 mircea_popescu dude srsly.
13:56 ascii_field srsly.
13:56 mircea_popescu who's gonna watch the cameras, moiety ?
13:57 ascii_field not real time
13:57 ascii_field you drop a few in the crate.
13:57 mircea_popescu stop solving the sexy problems.
13:57 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5550 @ 0.00047301 = 2.6252 BTC [-]
13:57 mircea_popescu there's actual problems ripe for solving.
13:57 ascii_field if they are molested or missing - you know the crate was.
13:57 mircea_popescu was what ?
13:57 ascii_field molested.
13:57 mircea_popescu so ?
13:57 mircea_popescu file a complaint with fedex ?
13:57 mircea_popescu im not spending 50k in fisheye to be able to make a ten cent report.
13:58 ascii_field camera is expensive, compared to doing nothing. cheap compared to sending men on airplanes.
13:58 mircea_popescu is there such a thing as thermo-conducive epoxy ?
13:59 ascii_field sure
13:59 ascii_field got a tube right here.
13:59 mircea_popescu how much is it ?
13:59 ascii_field (silver flakes)
13:59 ascii_field costs about what silver costs, per g.
13:59 mircea_popescu so if i do something like, "cut raqces, submerge board in 1U epoxy" its gonna cost me > 200 each
14:00 ascii_field mircea_popescu: board will not function. thermoconductive epoxy is electroconductive.
14:00 ascii_field and at any rate will add parasitic capacitance to mb traces.
14:01 ascii_field epoxy 'potting' went out of fashion in '70s for this reason.
14:01 * ascii_field pictures 'kakobreklaa' in finland
14:03 ascii_field 'Korsuissa kamina, / siellä pelataan nakkia, raminaa, / on meillä Fritzit ja Maxit / ja Petropamaxit, juu!' (tm) (r) (1941)
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14:03 kakobrekla hehe
14:04 kakobrekla speaking of fish eye, i have a 183 degrees lens buried somewhere
14:05 kakobrekla much better results are obtained with taking more less wide shots + stitching
14:05 ascii_field kakobrekla: hypothetical device in question is a small sphere, the size of golf ball
14:06 ascii_field needs to see in all directions.
14:06 ascii_field has no moving parts
14:06 phf is this another one of those technical solutions for counterparty problem?
14:06 kakobrekla sorta like http://www6.pcmag.com/media/images/413251-hands-on-panono-panoramic-ball-camera.jpg?thumb=y
14:06 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1LQBETY )
14:07 ascii_field kakobrekla: something like.
14:07 ascii_field preferably smaller, cheaper, doesn't even need to see in all directions if you have 50 of them in the box.
14:07 ascii_field (use instead of packing peanuts!)
14:09 shinohai When ascii_field gets arrested: "We got his hard drive!" https://i.imgur.com/qSPQ0RR.jpg
14:09 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1LQBXhE )
14:10 kakobrekla Does ti have a countdown timer?
14:10 shinohai I don't doubt that a real FBI agent might say the same.
14:10 ascii_field recipe: own a crate with 10,000 eproms.
14:10 ascii_field after your hanging, ~somebody~ will have to read'em...
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14:28 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31700 @ 0.00047293 = 14.9919 BTC [-] {2}
14:40 asciilifeform !up ascii_field
14:40 ascii_field http://cr.yp.to/nfscircuit/lsttgap.html << lulzy
14:40 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1PvAjBU )
14:40 mircea_popescu <kakobrekla> much better results are obtained with taking more less wide shots + stitching << i wouild expect.
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14:41 mircea_popescu <kakobrekla> Does ti have a countdown timer? << and wires sticking out.
14:41 mircea_popescu !up brbsoup
14:41 shinohai People try to hack anything on github: http://postopcare.github.io/
14:41 assbot Postop (SRS) Care 101 ... ( http://bit.ly/1PvAs8i )
14:42 ascii_field ugh
14:42 mircea_popescu anyway if anyone had a qntra emergency...
14:46 mircea_popescu davout http://dpaste.com/1YWYXG6
14:46 assbot dpaste: 1YWYXG6 ... ( http://bit.ly/1PvAYmB )
14:49 shinohai https://freedom-to-tinker.com/blog/haldermanheninger/how-is-nsa-breaking-so-much-crypto/
14:49 assbot How is NSA breaking so much crypto? ... ( http://bit.ly/1Lm3G4h )
14:49 ascii_field shinohai: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-10-2015#1299412
14:49 assbot Logged on 15-10-2015 11:10:12; jurov: https://freedom-to-tinker.com/blog/haldermanheninger/how-is-nsa-breaking-so-much-crypto/
14:50 shinohai missed
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15:09 kakobrekla http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-10-2015#1299703 < would you also expect this was not the case even 10 years ago
15:09 assbot Logged on 15-10-2015 18:40:47; mircea_popescu: <kakobrekla> much better results are obtained with taking more less wide shots + stitching << i wouild expect.
15:09 mircea_popescu nope
15:14 jurov 1. how do you detect glass is penetrated? 2. they can open the package in darkness
15:15 asciilifeform !up ascii_field
15:15 ascii_field jurov: both are solvable problems.
15:16 mircea_popescu !b 1
15:16 assbot Last 1 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/2X9YER9.txt )
15:16 mircea_popescu no, it's good, seriously.
15:17 jurov http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-10-2015#1299401 ... case in point: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-10-2015#1296386
15:17 assbot Logged on 15-10-2015 10:27:18; punkman: this proliferation of "javascript required" blank pages is getting annoying
15:17 assbot Logged on 11-10-2015 19:28:30; jurov: http://foswiki.org/Tasks/Item13812 today another chapter of "world goes to shit"
15:17 jurov it started as wiki based on plain .txt files
15:18 jurov started to use it for personal stuff
15:18 mircea_popescu they improved it ?
15:18 jurov after some 10 years.. you don't want to know
15:18 ascii_field luserz 'have come to expect' js !!11
15:18 mircea_popescu "But, yes, Foswiki is becoming more dependent on JavaScript. I doubt that this is going to change."
15:18 mircea_popescu da fuck is wrong with them.
15:19 mircea_popescu why, so it can compete with... 500 other implementations ?
15:19 mircea_popescu us gotta switch to teaching strategy in school.
15:19 mircea_popescu "Browsers without javascript aren't supported by Foswiki out of the box. We once decided to assume that nowadays everybody should have access to a sufficiantly standard browser that implements javascript. Of course this was different 15 years ago when we still had to deal with IE6 and the like. But as almost all vendors constantly move forward in web standards. So we then decided to strip off the burden of having to su
15:19 mircea_popescu pport browsers without javascript and rapidly moved forward. "
15:19 mircea_popescu i can't even.
15:22 ascii_field mircea_popescu: http://wpressutexas.net/cs378h/images/4/49/How_to_even_for_dummies.jpg << have some help!
15:22 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1QxWbe3 )
15:24 mircea_popescu my computer is not that shape or color.
15:24 mircea_popescu and the girl's got less clothes more tits.
15:24 ascii_field then will not work.
15:24 mircea_popescu i need a better jewscript book
15:24 jurov From the author of "How to accidentally" bestseller!!1
15:24 mircea_popescu lol
15:25 mircea_popescu yesterday i accidentallied a router. it only took on the third stomp tho.
15:25 mike_c sometimes javascript is useful.
15:25 * mike_c ducks
15:25 mircea_popescu did he just use javascript.duck() ?
15:26 mike_c $(this).duck()
15:26 mircea_popescu sorry mike, your pubic hair's now on fire. seek er.
15:26 mike_c gotta have some jquery with your javascript
15:27 mike_c i don't even think it'll matter much longer. html5 will present all the necessary security holes you need in plain old html
15:28 punkman it would be nice if we could at least have a video library without remote code execution holes
15:28 mike_c <canvas><audio><video></video></audio></canvas>
15:29 punkman err not remote I mean
15:29 punkman but you know, how about I can open mp4 file without getting pwned
15:31 jurov punkman: play it on dedicated device
15:34 thestringpuller like an ipod
15:45 ascii_field https://secrom.com << l0l!!! this still exists?!
15:45 assbot Portal Home - SECROM ... ( http://bit.ly/1OxIcHJ )
15:45 ascii_field ^ classical 1990s-style cryptosnakeoil
15:52 asciilifeform !up ascii_field
15:52 ascii_field https://publicintelligence.net/its-dangerous-fighting-isis << lulzy
15:52 assbot The Dangers of Traveling Overseas to Fight Against the Islamic State | Public Intelligence ... ( http://bit.ly/1OxIzSw )
15:53 ascii_field 'the US Government does not support US persons traveling overseas to combat ISIL.'
15:55 shinohai Guess they would rather I stay home and support them.
16:00 ascii_field support, oppose, usg's golems work either way.
16:00 mircea_popescu ^
16:02 * shinohai is *goyim*, not golem
16:04 mircea_popescu da fuck does that even mean, "usg does not support"
16:04 mircea_popescu who asked them ?
16:06 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 42300 @ 0.00047224 = 19.9758 BTC [-] {2}
16:06 ascii_field ianal, but the implication is 'no jail if you come home, but don't expect supplies or rescue if you're in a bind, or good pr'
16:12 ascii_field https://info.publicintelligence.net/DHS-AssessingLegitimacyISIL.pdf >> http://dpaste.com/0D7G0Q3 << lulzy
16:12 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1OxJzWX )
16:12 assbot dpaste: 0D7G0Q3 ... ( http://bit.ly/1OxJBxQ )
16:12 ascii_field ' ISIL stickers have been identified on memorials, highway signs, and other public
16:12 ascii_field venues in Arizona, Nevada, and Texas, according to open source analysis.'
16:12 ascii_field oh noez.
16:17 mircea_popescu oh there is that.
16:17 mircea_popescu they understandably don't wanna be on the hook for every fucktard with a plane ticket.
16:17 deedbot- [Trilema] The lulz in "dating" - http://trilema.com/2015/the-lulz-in-dating/
16:28 gabrielradio http://pastebin.com/AKUpLNvx
16:28 assbot I never - Pastebin.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1GIWL38 )
16:30 mircea_popescu "nor have I ever did" ?
16:30 mod6 bitcoin-0.5.4beta-libressl.log.asc gnupg-1.4.10.tar.gz qemu-2.0.0.tgz
16:35 mircea_popescu "Eu nu am fost angajat niciodata, nicaieri." i can appreciate why you went "I've never been an employee, not to anybody, not anywhere." but really english is hemingwayan. "I've never been employed." is the way to go. less is more for the saxons.
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16:35 gabrielradio indeed. got it
16:36 mircea_popescu holy shit, "employment record book" is a thing!
16:36 mircea_popescu i had no idea.
16:38 asciilifeform !up ascii_field
16:38 ascii_field mircea_popescu: afaik it was a su-only thing ?
16:38 ascii_field or, no??!!!?
16:38 mircea_popescu seems not.
16:38 ascii_field where, then, else ?
16:39 ascii_field http://www.na.rkomi.ru/IZYUROV/KOP_DOK/6/5.jpg << example
16:39 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1OxKV3M )
16:41 mircea_popescu "I've never signed payroll, I never held a paycheck, I've never seen the various small item salesmen visit the office on pay day nor have I ever asked for a payday loan. Wider, and more importantly, I never worked against my will. Not even as a kid, doing homework."
16:41 mircea_popescu sumthing like that.
16:41 mircea_popescu ascii_field believe it or not... http://images-01.delcampe-static.net/img_large/auction/000/205/848/927_001.jpg
16:41 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1OxL1sc )
16:42 ascii_field l0l!
16:42 ascii_field arbeit macht frei.
16:42 mircea_popescu those guys srsly don't get enough credit, everyone stole all their shit.
16:43 gabrielradio mircea_popescu i see. pretty straightforward, no meddling with the words
16:43 mircea_popescu it's a fine line.
16:43 ascii_field 'iz zis nazi lande soo goood?! we would leave it, if we could!!' (tm) (r) (donald duck)
16:47 ben_vulpes d'aww, a newish client just sent us 3 boxes of fresh cookies
16:49 ascii_field http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-10-2015#1299791 << who the hell ever heard of an employed ammonia-atmosphere-breathing dragon
16:49 assbot Logged on 15-10-2015 20:35:08; mircea_popescu: "Eu nu am fost angajat niciodata, nicaieri." i can appreciate why you went "I've never been an employee, not to anybody, not anywhere." but really english is hemingwayan. "I've never been employed." is the way to go. less is more for the saxons.
16:50 mircea_popescu trilema mostly deals with the banal.
16:52 gabrielradio !rate mircea_popescu 2 I get high on Trilema
16:52 assbot Request successful, get your OTP: http://w.b-a.link/otp/50a106d5d903481a
16:52 mircea_popescu haha thatg's a new one.
16:53 gabrielradio !v assbot:gabrielradio.rate.mircea_popescu.2:365fa6980f36389ab2e054244529e5e2d01d51ee1d306d607d79ab8b74be435d
16:53 assbot Successfully added a rating of 2 for mircea_popescu with note: I get high on Trilema
16:53 mircea_popescu and speaking of "addiction", and pathways and whatnot :
16:53 mircea_popescu "Ask a 20 year crack addict when was the last time they used powder cocaine. Do they miss it? Are they in withdrawal? "But crack is cocaine." No, it isn't, or else they would be using both, wouldn't they? "But crack is more potent and addictive." Then why don't cocaine adicts move over to crack? "
16:54 mircea_popescu apparently tlp agrees, it's all bs.
16:54 ascii_field No, it isn't, or else they would be using both, wouldn't they? << i don't follow the logic
16:55 mircea_popescu suppose your car can run on either water or gasoline.
16:55 mircea_popescu you never run it on water.
16:55 mircea_popescu even if you don't have gasoline.
16:55 mircea_popescu because ?
16:55 ascii_field ...?
16:55 mircea_popescu "there's one so-called identified pathway and 500 non miscible so-called addictions. because this is Fantasia."
16:58 shinohai @ gabrielradio Are you the Romanian interpreter ?
16:59 punkman cocaine addicts do move from insufflation to smoking freebase or crack
16:59 ascii_field what's the upside of the latter vs the former ?
16:59 punkman at least the dedicated ones
17:00 punkman insufflation is not efficient, costs more
17:01 gabrielradio shinohai yea
17:02 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14394 @ 0.00047436 = 6.8279 BTC [+]
17:02 gabrielradio i spend a lot reading trilema, why not translate the ro articles while at it
17:03 mircea_popescu punkman they do ?
17:05 punkman mircea_popescu: same with heroin, you start with a sniff, then move on to smoking and finally iv
17:06 punkman naturally everyone has his preferences
17:07 shinohai gabrielradio: I appreciate anyone willing to tackle translations.
17:07 gabrielradio shinohai any article in particular you want to see translated?
17:08 mircea_popescu is this something you know from some sort of direct experience ?
17:08 gabrielradio i wanted to do http://trilema.com/2009/ce-ma-intereseaza-pe-mine-intr-un-proiect/ next
17:08 assbot Ce ma intereseaza pe mine intr-un proiect. on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1OxMmiE )
17:08 punkman mircea_popescu: I've seen it
17:09 punkman dunno, I suppose in some places go straight to iv
17:09 punkman *kids go
17:09 mircea_popescu ok, you've seen it, but chipping heroin is one thing ; cocaine as powder and as crack is a rather different thing.
17:09 shinohai gabrielradio: I do not speak Romanian unfortunately so I dunno :(
17:10 jurov gabrielradio: there's supposedly very popular guide to oral sex, maybe that one?
17:10 punkman well I couldn't tell you the difference between powder, crack and freebase
17:10 mircea_popescu at some point the argument was that pot is a "gateway drug" for that matter. a sort of kindled theory of chem addiction i guess.
17:10 gabrielradio lmao, why not
17:10 punkman it can be a social gateway
17:10 mircea_popescu punkman i can tell you the difference. it's about $1k for half-and-half.
17:11 mircea_popescu most whores do cocaine. just, the 20somethings that do lines go for about 5x the money of the 30somethings that do crack.
17:11 mircea_popescu which is why the derrogatory is crack whore, not snortwhore
17:11 mircea_popescu even tho snortwhore sounds pretty fucking epic
17:11 asciilifeform !up ascii_field
17:11 ascii_field mircea_popescu: the difference in cost is well-known. but what of effect ?
17:11 punkman well surely smoking packs a harder punch
17:12 mircea_popescu until the septum ruptures you can't really spot the snorter. you really can't miss the crackhead.
17:12 ascii_field that'd be the side-effect. but what of the effect ?
17:12 ascii_field subjectively, to the taker
17:13 mircea_popescu i have nfi, i never tried crack.
17:13 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13700 @ 0.00047186 = 6.4645 BTC [-]
17:13 ascii_field i had a professor who confessed to having once been a crack smoker
17:13 mircea_popescu so wha was his story ?
17:13 ascii_field she described it in a very peculiar and scarcely believable:
17:14 ascii_field 'it was not even enjoyable, as i smoked the pipe the only thing it was possible to think about is the next pipe'
17:14 mircea_popescu sounds about right.
17:14 mircea_popescu i dun think it's much of a leisured passtime.
17:15 ascii_field ended up (iirc) quitting when she divorced the fella who brought the crack.
17:15 mircea_popescu that part's improbable as all shit, but hey.
17:16 ascii_field actually it is this part that i readily believe
17:16 ascii_field the 'did not enjoy' feels more of a stretch.
17:16 ascii_field mircea_popescu does not appear to apprehend that it is in fact possible to have ZERO contact with 'the street'
17:17 mircea_popescu you're being ridiculous.
17:17 mircea_popescu stand up, strip nakled,. go downstairs.
17:17 mircea_popescu you'll be in contact with the street.
17:17 ascii_field i meant productive contact
17:17 ascii_field as in, ability to 'score' contraband
17:17 mircea_popescu nobody asks the crack whore.
17:17 ascii_field but can any (female) become a 'crack whore' at will ?
17:17 mircea_popescu yes.
17:17 mircea_popescu and even not at will.
17:18 mircea_popescu that;'s the thing with the street : it takes all.
17:18 mircea_popescu that's why it's so deeply beloved, like no other thing. ultimate mother.
17:18 ascii_field not so sure of this.
17:19 mircea_popescu easy for you to say :)
17:19 mircea_popescu ah man i've been waiting to hit someone with that for like two weeks.
17:19 ascii_field i suppose this is some variant on the ru traditional 'prison is like the grave, can find room for everyone'
17:21 mircea_popescu quite.
17:23 mircea_popescu the executive difference being that you get sent to prison, but go to teh street.
17:24 mircea_popescu incidentally : given that ~30 million americans are homeless AT ANY GIVEN POINT, and given that the life expectancy of the homeless is not terribly good, say 5-10 years, do compute the odds of your child being homeless during his lifetime kthx.
17:24 ascii_field mircea_popescu: this is as interesting as computing the odds of being chinese.
17:24 mircea_popescu social mobility has its unexpected drawbacks.
17:24 ascii_field (high!!11)
17:24 mircea_popescu nope.
17:24 mircea_popescu you entertain the delusion that your child is like you, which is true in unmobile societies.
17:24 mircea_popescu in the us, predicately, he is not like you.
17:25 mircea_popescu people love to assume that means "for the better", because it briefly did and people are idiots.
17:25 ascii_field think obama's progeny will ever hobo ?
17:25 mircea_popescu yes.
17:25 ascii_field perhaps. but my mind boggles at the picture of a hobo bush.
17:26 ascii_field hobo trump.
17:26 mircea_popescu trump IS an ex-hobo himself lol
17:26 ascii_field ex.
17:26 mircea_popescu the question wasn't about dying there.
17:27 ascii_field anyway in usa it is a very simple matter, as described by herr orlov: near-everybody there is 2 or 3 missed paycheques away from hobo-dom.
17:28 mircea_popescu to their great benefit.
17:28 ascii_field but the present day crop of hobo is not evenly distributed, no.
17:28 mircea_popescu because near-everybody there, like everywhere, is also an imbecile.
17:28 mircea_popescu now, if only they had sane people in charge, doling out those missed paycheques.
17:31 BingoBoingo In other news St Louis passed their 2014 homicide total today, with 2.5 months to go
17:31 ascii_field https://theintercept.com/drone-papers << lulzy
17:31 assbot The Drone Papers ... ( http://bit.ly/1hHrLKa )
17:37 gabrielradio jurov, i think this is the one http://trilema.com/2012/cum-se-suge-pula-ghid-pentru-juma-de-sex-oral/ . next in line after the "what interests me in a project" one
17:37 assbot Cum se suge pula - ghid pentru juma' de sex oral on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1OxNKSp )
17:41 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22063 @ 0.00047186 = 10.4106 BTC [-] {2}
17:42 mircea_popescu that article is lulzy - it was the 2nd most read article each month since pretty much its publishing
17:42 mircea_popescu 3 years ago.
17:42 mircea_popescu still is today.
17:42 asciilifeform !up ascii_field
17:42 ascii_field mircea_popescu: 2nd ?!
17:42 mircea_popescu yea
17:42 ascii_field and the 1st ?
17:42 mircea_popescu well it varies each month\
17:42 mircea_popescu but this - no. month by month, 2nd.
17:43 ascii_field 'how cock is sucked'. but engl. lacks reflexive, how to ~really~ translate ?
17:43 mircea_popescu it probably served half the teens in romania by now, if numbers have any meaning.
17:43 mircea_popescu i wonder if they're satisfied.
17:44 mircea_popescu "how to suck the cock" i would say.
17:44 ascii_field but not same meaning..
17:44 mircea_popescu se is conjunctive not reflexive
17:44 ascii_field hm
17:44 mircea_popescu se suge = on succionne
17:45 ascii_field ah.
17:45 jurov http://www.redflagnews.com/headlines/poll-29-of-americans-believe-armed-revolt-may-be-necessary-in-next-few-years
17:45 assbot Poll: 29% of Americans Believe Armed Revolt May Be Necessary in Next Few Years... | RedFlag News ... ( http://bit.ly/1OxOhUn )
17:46 mircea_popescu did they ask more than 10 people (in texas) ?
17:46 ascii_field and what if answer is 'it was necessary in 1934' ?
17:47 ascii_field from same publication: 'How To Destroy Any Attacker In Seconds Using Only Your Bare Hands.'
17:47 ascii_field 'This 1 Simple Trick "Fixes" Your Erectile Dysfunction.'
17:47 ascii_field etc.
17:47 mircea_popescu same in wapo.
17:48 ascii_field it is, isn't it.
17:48 ascii_field 'outbrain' et al.
17:49 mircea_popescu aha.
17:49 mircea_popescu they make like 500bux for the journalistic integritits.
17:52 mircea_popescu "I'm putting myself on the record (not that I haven't a dozen other times on this site):
17:52 mircea_popescu there is no inflation, if there it is two, maybe three years out at the earliest. This is massive deflation before your eyes, not even including the outstanding credit card balances and other personal loans which will never get paid, especially when the jobs start evaporating."
17:52 mircea_popescu tlp on finance
17:53 mircea_popescu here's a puzzling fact. in some cases, expert A in field a saying something stupid in field b not only turns me off on A, but sometimes even makes me reevaluate his expertise of field a.
17:54 BingoBoingo https://archive.is/8ecWN << Turdlicious upgrade forcing attempt
17:54 assbot Bitcoin Core version 0.11.1 released ... ( http://bit.ly/1hHu6or )
17:54 mircea_popescu meanwhile righyt here, expert C in field p says something so outrageously stupid (and it's not just one thing - all his forays into finance and investing read like he's a vocational school most likely to succeed from kharkov) in e that it's actually...endearing.
17:54 BingoBoingo "
17:54 BingoBoingo If widely deployed this change would eliminate the last remaining known vector for nuisance malleability on SIGHASH_ALL P2PKH transactions. On the down-side it will block most transactions made by sufficiently out of date software."
17:54 mircea_popescu i think this is how it works with women and ass grabbing too.
17:56 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5354 @ 0.00047182 = 2.5261 BTC [-] {4}
17:56 mircea_popescu i doubt enforcing low-s encoding of ecdsa is avoidable.
17:57 BingoBoingo The thing is does 0.5.X produce low-s transactions?
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17:57 BingoBoingo Power rangers are claiming this wasn't introduced until 0.9
17:58 mircea_popescu it shouldn't but it's nutty.
17:58 mircea_popescu the idea is, at no point should it have made anything else anyway, at least as far as anyone knew.
17:59 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10388 @ 0.00047149 = 4.8978 BTC [-]
17:59 mircea_popescu but yes, will need to be looked into moar.
17:59 BingoBoingo https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/commit/a28fb70e45d764e558966ba3b02bd16e02b11c14 << What they point to as the introduction of low-s encoding
17:59 assbot Merge pull request #3016 from sipa/lows · bitcoin/bitcoin@a28fb70 · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1hHuMKF )
18:00 mircea_popescu mmm
18:01 mircea_popescu you see, it's a probabilistic thing.
18:01 mircea_popescu i have nfi what negating if odd does anyway.
18:02 mircea_popescu but you're right, it was even S before.
18:05 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21200 @ 0.00047257 = 10.0185 BTC [+]
18:06 ascii_field nobody asked me, but letting the enemy spray his relevance-piss-pheromone on the thing is far more of a nuisance than the existing malleability.
18:06 ascii_field which afaik is harmless to anyone who isn't a moron
18:07 BingoBoingo Relay looks like it could become problematic
18:07 ascii_field how?
18:07 mircea_popescu ascii_field it has this pr stink to it.
18:09 ascii_field the way i see it, usg continues in the effort to force folks off classical clients
18:09 ascii_field and into the holding pen.
18:10 mircea_popescu you know it's a trivial fix for trb also.
18:10 ascii_field yes but imposed.
18:10 ascii_field and 'what if pogos had been poured into cement already'
18:11 ascii_field there is no known end to the supply of these.
18:11 mircea_popescu but the reaosn they weren't is specifically that we knew that it's early.
18:12 mircea_popescu i dun see it's imposed by anything but the dubious quality of code writing employed throughout this project.
18:12 ascii_field for so long as openssl, bdb, are in the mix, the bug mine is bottomless.
18:12 mircea_popescu in any case : the actual significance of this switch in crypto terms could benefit from a review.
18:13 asciilifeform !up ascii_field
18:13 ascii_field for perhaps the first time, i remind mircea_popescu to think of the political, and not vice-versa
18:14 ascii_field if this is an actual flaw, it ought to be fixed in a way which marginalizes and lowers into pederasty the phoundation, rather than legitimizes it.
18:14 mircea_popescu specifically ?
18:14 ascii_field if i had 'specifically' i would be submitting the patch now.
18:14 ascii_field will have to (shudder) ~think~.
18:14 mircea_popescu more importantly : the entire malleability / bip 62 / sipa chjanges (such as linked) are 2013 material.
18:16 jurov ascii_field: can i read that like you will reject any patch that resembles anything from members or people affiliated to phoundation or "dev team"
18:16 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7703 @ 0.0004714 = 3.6312 BTC [-] {3}
18:16 jurov ?
18:16 ascii_field jurov: not precisely
18:16 mircea_popescu seems a bit excessive.
18:16 ascii_field jurov: if you recall, i began with a backport of the orphan fix
18:17 ascii_field jurov: do you play go ?
18:17 ascii_field familiar with jp terms 'sente' and 'gote' ?
18:17 jurov no
18:17 ascii_field http://senseis.xmp.net/?Gote
18:17 assbot Gote at Sensei's Library ... ( http://bit.ly/1hHx5gE )
18:18 ascii_field dunno how much sense this will make to a nonplayer
18:18 ascii_field my point was that we do not want to be in the position of answering the enemy in real time.
18:18 ascii_field and on his terms.
18:19 jurov well, then we can end with turdball like gcc (due to rms' political reasons discussed here recently)
18:19 ascii_field we already have the turdball
18:20 ascii_field ftr, i do not believe that it has a long-term future.
18:20 ascii_field recall why i asked nubbins` for the book!
18:20 * ascii_field bbl
18:21 jurov !s relish impossible
18:21 assbot 1 results for 'relish impossible' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=relish+impossible
18:27 mircea_popescu the real time thing fails, ftr.
18:27 mircea_popescu we had a discussion about how bip 62 is not particularly controversial last spring iirc.
18:32 deedbot- [Qntra] Carl Mark Force IV To Be Sentenced Monday, Prosecutors Request 87 Months Imprisonment - http://qntra.net/2015/10/carl-mark-force-iv-to-be-sentenced-monday-prosecutors-request-87-months-imprisonment/
18:34 mircea_popescu o hey not bad, guy gets to go to costa rica hang out with the other lamers on "what's left after divorce" budget
18:35 BingoBoingo Seriously
18:39 mircea_popescu in any case, i see little value in the political thinking proposed. im not even sure it's all that political.
18:41 mircea_popescu but the way which, whether it delegitimizes anything or not, nevertheless serves bitcoin, to do the switch, is by making sure that the proposed solution actually is a good solution for the proposed problem. there's a lengthy history of narrow, poorly tho9ught out, unreviewed and borderline nonsensical "solutions" that had to be reforged and then re-reforged, even 3-4-5 passes.
18:41 mircea_popescu so in that sense... if there's a superclass fix, and we find it, good. if not, entrenching around this seems a waste of time.
18:41 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 45666 @ 0.00047285 = 21.5932 BTC [+] {3}
18:41 mircea_popescu heck, the guy's pull request got, rather symptomatically, 0 comments.
18:42 mircea_popescu on github. the thing is social media for derps. they comment because their food is late, there.
18:47 BingoBoingo Oh, of course Gavin had to refactor key.cpp so changes we might want to play with now are in a practically different language.
18:47 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12206 @ 0.00047436 = 5.79 BTC [+]
18:48 mircea_popescu this is actually a good thing
18:48 mircea_popescu it will readily expose dumbassery.
18:54 BingoBoingo All sorts of changes appeared to happed to key.cpp between 0.7 and 0.9
19:00 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14959 @ 0.00047425 = 7.0943 BTC [-]
19:02 * BingoBoingo am dissapoing in dooglus https://archive.is/dsVVv
19:02 assbot dooglus comments on Bitcoin Core version 0.11.1 released. ... ( http://bit.ly/1MsFP2R )
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20:34 BingoBoingo https://i.imgur.com/az3Wbf6.jpg
20:34 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1X7ZVXC )
20:40 mircea_popescu holy shit netsp[lits
20:40 BingoBoingo Been a while since one like that
20:40 asciilifeform aha
20:41 asciilifeform and this is the 4th or so, on my end, in 3 days.
20:41 mircea_popescu yup
20:41 asciilifeform so what i actually sat down at the console to say was...
20:42 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: i have a theory re: one possible reason why enemy might be interested in altering sig format
20:42 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: this'd be: to nuke pre-loaded sigs (e.g., dead-man switch systems, or otherwise secreted.)
20:43 asciilifeform *pre-loaded tx-en, that is
20:43 mircea_popescu at no point was the promise made that one can rely on pre-loaded tx
20:43 asciilifeform now this is true.
20:44 mircea_popescu it'd be nice if that functionality was available. it eminently is not. tough and who doesn't like it knows how to get in the wot and start crac kin.
20:44 mircea_popescu maintaining backwards compatibility is one thing, maintaining backwards delusionality is another thing.
20:44 asciilifeform now if all you have is this kind of tx, you can trivially transform it into one that is legal per the patch linked earlier
20:44 mircea_popescu but you'd still have to do the transform.
20:45 asciilifeform which doesn't actually do anything random bozos can't already do to your tx.
20:45 asciilifeform but yes, if you buried the tx-shooter in cement at the bottom of the mariana trench, it will suck
20:45 mircea_popescu (this is really why this is such a triviality. so min er x no longer accepts old style txn ? costs fifty cents to put a muxer in between)
20:45 asciilifeform anyway, as far as i can see the suggested tweak is harmless. who wants to write the patch, can.
20:46 mircea_popescu what i want to know is, what is the mathematical significance of narrowinfg the S space.
20:46 mircea_popescu because i don't now, as i didn't in 2013, understand this.
20:48 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: notice that the operation takes place after the act of signing properly speaking.
20:48 mircea_popescu true.
20:48 mircea_popescu its not that i suspect the holy grail is spirited there. i just don't grok what it does is all.
20:49 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: there is a 'don't care' value, one bit's worth. the proposed tweak abolishes it.
20:49 mircea_popescu why ?
20:50 asciilifeform 'malleability' vector - any idiot can, presently, flip it, and both variants compute as valid sig.
20:50 mircea_popescu nono.
20:50 mircea_popescu why is there an unused byte ?
20:50 asciilifeform bit
20:50 mircea_popescu right
20:51 asciilifeform as far as i can tell - unused sign bit.
20:51 mircea_popescu for that matter splitting a 31 bit paload in a 32 bit envelope into "odd/even" or "upper/lower" is, intuitively, the same damned thing. or should i say "from a theoretical, numeric persepective". why does it make a difference ?
20:51 mircea_popescu and yes, unused sign bit. but why.
20:53 asciilifeform 'because openssl'
20:53 * asciilifeform has been sitting and trying to ascertain precisely 'why'
20:53 mircea_popescu no see, i know that. but these are really bullshit answers obviously.
20:53 mircea_popescu anyway.
20:54 asciilifeform the overarching picture in my mind is that bitcoin would scarcely look any different if it had been designed by вредители
20:55 mircea_popescu i mean yes, it DOES seem to be simply miserable typing in openssl, they have nfi what ints even are over there
20:55 mircea_popescu almost like it's coded in c++
20:55 asciilifeform l0l aha.
20:55 mircea_popescu asciilifeform no see, that's the beauty of it. yes that's right, and it never occured to me before that could be a good thing.
20:56 asciilifeform good thing?!
20:57 mircea_popescu myeah.
20:57 mircea_popescu "you design and build the battleships and whatever else you feel like doing anyway you want to - we'll beat you to shit with them."
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20:57 mircea_popescu now that's power.
20:57 mircea_popescu of an awesome nature never before seen.
20:58 mircea_popescu "you set the chess table any way you want and it's checkmate in 3."
20:58 * asciilifeform will be more excited after the checkmate
21:00 BingoBoingo <asciilifeform> the overarching picture in my mind is that bitcoin would scarcely look any different if it had been designed by вредители << It gets worth Anytime I look at something interesting comparing between 0.5-0.7 and 0.9 and later at some point Gavin has refactored every fucking thing into a different retarded language that is precisely NOT the Bitcoin dialect of C++
21:01 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: 0.8+
21:01 asciilifeform but to some extent earlier.
21:01 mircea_popescu here's a nice tidbit for the fathers in audience :
21:01 asciilifeform hence 0.5.3
21:01 mircea_popescu "The women with depressed, unhelpful husbands did not report lower levels of marital satisfaction; rather they were maintained at high levels. One interpretation of our data was that the women's more negative memories of their fathers served the function of minimizing (or denying) their husbands' failure to be as helpful as needed. If this is all that can be expected of men, then I can no longer recall my father so po
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21:01 mircea_popescu sitively!"
21:02 mircea_popescu http://thelastpsychiatrist.com/2008/09/recollections_of_your_parents_1.html
21:02 assbot The Last Psychiatrist: Recollections Of Your Parents Before And After You Have Children ... ( http://bit.ly/1X82rxd )
21:02 BingoBoingo asciilifeform: 0.8 had the big blockchain handling change yes, but 0.8 to 0.9 transition had mega refactoring
21:03 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21250 @ 0.0004784 = 10.166 BTC [-] {3}
21:07 shinohai Thank God I do not have children.
21:07 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6100 @ 0.00048003 = 2.9282 BTC [+]
21:08 shinohai "But simultaneously, the act of reinterpretation changes us." <<< No shit. Read the instruction manual for #b-a and see how you feel about bitcoin in 6 months.
21:08 mircea_popescu god generally works on the conception angle. thank the women if anybody.
21:11 shinohai God only wants you to have sex if it is explicitly for the act of procreation, or so I have been led to believe.
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21:11 mircea_popescu blame canada.
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21:11 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34250 @ 0.00048003 = 16.441 BTC [+] {2}
21:12 mircea_popescu "Reality is too boring, and world events too complex, too overwhelming, and, frankly, too not about me. We want entertainment, diversions, that look enough like social policy analysis that we don't feel too guilty discussing them ad nauseum. We want masturbation that looks like work. "
21:13 mircea_popescu word. wants a) masturbation but b) that looks like work. there, el consumidor, fully described.
21:14 shinohai I'm guilty of that.
21:15 mircea_popescu ofcourseyouare.
21:15 mircea_popescu this is like "earth is carbon based so species there are probably breathing oxigen and retaining water" "i'm guilty of that". doh ?!
21:18 shinohai Do you know how many people, at least in my area, absolutely refuse any type of introspection. Then my statement might not seem so out of place.
21:19 shinohai "I'm fine, B. Your problem is you need to get saved and accept Jesus in yer life."
21:20 mircea_popescu ah, it didn't feel out of place. it was just... you know, trying to point out this is a very bad measuring stick. "fish is wet" well... it'd better be.
21:20 mircea_popescu NOT being guilty of that probably scores you high for psychopathy or some shit, because that's the thing with socialization : being a very far outlier in your environment, even if you are right by some measure, still makes you a very far outlier.
21:21 asciilifeform what would this even look like ?
21:21 mircea_popescu "this"
21:22 asciilifeform the not-being...
21:23 mircea_popescu well, take for instance http://thelastpsychiatrist.com/2008/05/my_daughter_deserved_to_die_fo.html
21:23 assbot The Last Psychiatrist: "My daughter deserved to die for falling in love" ... ( http://bit.ly/1G8xzZ2 )
21:24 mircea_popescu usian is very taken aback at the both common and perfectly reasonable [in its context] practice of killing young women that get out of line.
21:24 mircea_popescu there is in point of fact nothing objectively wrong with honor killings, all sorts of pretense to the contrary notwithstanding. if you can get your hands around her neck you can strangle her. or not. your option. reality has both functions loaded and ready to go and return;
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21:25 mircea_popescu ballas decides "the guy is narcissist". this is about as clever as discussing the rotator splint of wild geese. "hey, they're flying, right ? gotta have rotator splint, it's what you call the collar bone"
21:25 mircea_popescu geese don't have collar bones.
21:26 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15150 @ 0.00047498 = 7.1959 BTC [-] {4}
21:27 mircea_popescu if i had to guess - and i can do no better than guess, da fuck i know - i'd imagine the celebrated "what a nigger wants is loose shoes, tight pussy and a warm hole to shit in" is a lot closer to what that guy [pars pro toto] wants than "masturbation that looks like work".
21:27 mircea_popescu for one thing he doesn't even have a conception of work whatsoever.
21:28 shinohai The "loose shoes" comment reminds of a very racist joke, kek
21:28 mircea_popescu ;;google earl butz
21:28 gribble Earl Butz - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Earl_Butz>; The infamous quote that revealed Earl was a bigoted Butz-hole…: <http://www.thisdayinquotes.com/2009/09/earl-butz-three-things-loose-shoes.html>; Earl Butz Mouths Off - Rolling Stone: <http://www.rollingstone.com/music/pictures/rolling-stones-biggest-scoops-exposes-and- (1 more message)
21:31 mircea_popescu (execuytive summary - guy who ended jefferson's idea of agriculture and planted the seeds for hfcs in every meal)
21:36 BingoBoingo <mircea_popescu> geese don't have collar bones. << Surefire sign Geese are all Mayogendered
21:36 mircea_popescu lol
21:37 BingoBoingo I mean they even all only have cloacas
21:37 mircea_popescu one of the better jokes in veterinary school, head prof goes in eager beaver pathology class, "i'll put one case to you boys... suppose my horse gets a fractured collar bone. what do you do ?"
21:37 * BingoBoingo imagines cloaca creation surgery becoming popular in USia in the coming decades
21:37 mircea_popescu "tetanos shots!" "blablabla!"
21:38 mircea_popescu "why not call the natural history museum, offer them the first horse with a collarbone."
21:38 BingoBoingo lol
21:39 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 73352 @ 0.00047136 = 34.5752 BTC [-] {4}
21:39 shinohai hue
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22:01 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27850 @ 0.00048048 = 13.3814 BTC [+] {3}
22:03 brg444 has anyone here had a look at "Confidential Transactions" ?
22:04 brg444 https://github.com/ElementsProject/elementsproject.github.io/blob/master/confidential_values.md
22:04 assbot elementsproject.github.io/confidential_values.md at master · ElementsProject/elementsproject.github.io · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1jrLdg0 )
22:04 BingoBoingo brg444: Honestly I think we are too busy just trying to fucking make "standard transactions" work
22:04 brg444 fair enough
22:04 BingoBoingo But if got ideas go ahead an dump them here
22:06 brg444 !search sidechains
22:06 assbot 43 results for 'sidechains' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=sidechains
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22:37 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5158 @ 0.00048065 = 2.4792 BTC [+]
22:43 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7348 @ 0.00048085 = 3.5333 BTC [+] {2}
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23:00 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8650 @ 0.00048072 = 4.1582 BTC [-]
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23:19 BingoBoingo ;;later tell brg444 have you considered reading codes in sets of 5?
23:19 gribble The operation succeeded.
23:21 BingoBoingo shinohai: So, did you write up that thing or is it not news?
23:23 danielpbarron http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-10-2015#1300110 << why else?
23:23 assbot Logged on 16-10-2015 01:11:05; shinohai: God only wants you to have sex if it is explicitly for the act of procreation, or so I have been led to believe.
23:28 BingoBoingo Because sexing is fun
23:28 BingoBoingo Or else, why anal?
23:28 danielpbarron exactly. why anal?
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23:28 danielpbarron why not goat?
23:29 BingoBoingo (Because blowjobs promote procreation by modulating immune response)
23:29 BingoBoingo Anal, because tighter, more stimulating
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23:30 danielpbarron i can't imagine it gets more stimulating than a real live fertile womb in which you can grow a baby
23:30 BingoBoingo (Under the immune modulation theory oral sex is never actually technically sodomy for promoting conditions favorable to pregnancy)
23:30 danielpbarron anything else seems like weird fetish to me
23:30 BingoBoingo Have you considered doping your imagination moar?
23:30 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19100 @ 0.00048086 = 9.1844 BTC [+] {2}
23:32 danielpbarron what is that? drugs?
23:32 BingoBoingo Fertile womb and floppy loose roast beef vagina can co-exist
23:33 BingoBoingo Maybe drugs, maybe dehydrated fasting spirit trip in the woods
23:33 danielpbarron i've done plenty of drugs
23:33 BingoBoingo Lots of ways to prime brian in the skull's creativity
23:33 danielpbarron even in the woods
23:34 BingoBoingo But if we are merely considering a potentially viable womb all of a sudden 2/3 of the Mayogendered will plead fertile
23:35 danielpbarron obesity leads to hell
23:35 BingoBoingo Glad to hear you concurr on that point.
23:36 BingoBoingo Though hell comes early for them, don't have to wait for the next life even.
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