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00:01 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: didja know that apple made antigravity device !!??!! >> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Apple-Weight-Saving-Device-for-PowerBook-G3-Lombard-Used-/361350765848?hash=item54222f1d18 <<
00:01 assbot Apple Weight Saving Device for PowerBook G3 "Lombard" Used | eBay ... ( http://bit.ly/1IOvaBC )
00:01 BingoBoingo asciilifeform: I had no idea
00:01 asciilifeform http://i.ebayimg.com/00/s/MTQwMFgxMzM0/z/JzIAAOSwfcVUE2~c/$_57.JPG
00:01 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1IOvccP )
00:02 asciilifeform why was this discontinued ?!
00:02 asciilifeform i want ten!
00:04 decimation lolz. I assume it's a 'blank spot' for you cd drive maybe?
00:04 asciilifeform prolly
00:04 asciilifeform but great name!
00:05 decimation asciilifeform: are you gonna sell your smbx stuff for $$$
00:05 asciilifeform sure
00:05 asciilifeform but it can't be shipped.
00:05 asciilifeform so can only be sold if somebody wants to come for it.
00:06 asciilifeform (or, with reasonable premium, i would deliver)
00:06 asciilifeform can't even guarantee that it'd survive a car ride
00:06 asciilifeform (i did have to reseat the boards when took it home)
00:07 asciilifeform if shipped, thing would have to be transported like a ming vase
00:07 asciilifeform can't imagine anyone wants to pay for this.
00:07 BingoBoingo <asciilifeform> aha, precisely << When /me worked in mall was in Kiosk sitting in firezone
00:08 decimation asciilifeform: maybe sell as a collection of parts
00:08 mircea_popescu i've never been in one of these "lockdown" bullshit things
00:08 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 41652 @ 0.00051752 = 21.5557 BTC [-] {2}
00:08 mircea_popescu and im pretty sure i'd just ignore it
00:08 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: it's a usaschwitz term
00:08 decimation yeah me too. not gonna do what mall cop wants
00:08 mircea_popescu good for 'em, but whatevs.
00:08 mircea_popescu i remember learning with some amusement about the kindergarten games usians play in airports
00:08 mircea_popescu FREEZE!!11
00:09 mircea_popescu hurr
00:09 mircea_popescu mentally stunded population already.
00:09 asciilifeform also make sure to ignore grizzly bears in alaska
00:09 asciilifeform and alligators in florida
00:10 asciilifeform (when they shoot a white fella it's generally 5th-10th page newz, as linked earlier)
00:10 mircea_popescu i guess ima have to come with a regiment.
00:11 asciilifeform now we're talkin'.
00:11 asciilifeform personally i wouldn't waste so much as one private on the place. glass it.
00:11 asciilifeform then glass over the surviving cockroaches.
00:11 decimation I've read some tidbits about what happens when vip crossed boarder on private jet
00:11 mircea_popescu so far ignoring it worked pretty well. us, zimbabwe and other places that exist for illustrative purposes only.
00:12 decimation apparently there are special teams of usg employees for 'processing' such important folks
00:12 asciilifeform decimation: idk, i bought a 100 usd piece of paper and was 'processed' by a vending machine that printed 'get out of customs now' pass.
00:12 asciilifeform no vip jet or anything
00:13 BingoBoingo Typical USian lockdown trigger http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T-1ZLpDISLQ
00:13 assbot Lil Debbie - LET'S GET HIGH - Official Video - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1K4AJsh )
00:13 asciilifeform out of flying cattle car and to the street in ~10 min.
00:14 asciilifeform !up n6
00:14 * BingoBoingo just had the most amazing sandwich. Tomatoes slices and bread
00:14 assbot AMAZING COMPANY!
00:15 decimation asciilifeform: yeah supposedly the machines are replacing people on us border points
00:15 asciilifeform decimation: only for paying folks
00:15 decimation oh you did the 'global entry' thing?
00:15 asciilifeform preeeeemium no-raep lanez
00:15 asciilifeform aha
00:15 decimation heh yeah. I would consider it if I were to travel abroad
00:16 asciilifeform worth every penny
00:16 decimation supposedly it parlays into less tsa harassment on domestic flights too
00:16 asciilifeform even if you go only once
00:17 gernika +1 Global Entry
00:17 BingoBoingo Why not just RAEP back?
00:17 gernika Good stuff. Claimed it might work in australia - but didn't.
00:17 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: bring regiment, raep, raep.
00:18 * BingoBoingo has never touched a haram aeroplane
00:18 decimation australia is famously nazi at their border
00:18 BingoBoingo asciilifeform: Platoon, Company not enough?
00:18 asciilifeform company with 'sadm' might, sure.
00:18 asciilifeform dispersed.
00:20 * BingoBoingo not sure who even uses regiments anymore. Thought replaced by "Divisions"
00:20 asciilifeform https://web.archive.org/web/20140302041146/http://www.stripes.com/news/us/when-elite-us-forces-strapped-nukes-to-their-backs-1.266168 << them
00:20 assbot When elite US forces strapped nukes to their backs - U.S. - Stripes ... ( http://bit.ly/1K4AXjk )
00:21 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24120 @ 0.00055892 = 13.4812 BTC [+] {2}
00:21 BingoBoingo Ah, when I was a puppy I was told that was called "Chicken and Waffles"
00:22 BingoBoingo !up Michail1
00:23 Michail1 ?
00:23 decimation what brings you here?
00:23 asciilifeform 'The Army's countermobility field manual taught soldiers to use ADMs for "stream cratering," in which atomic explosions near small waterways would "form a temporary dam, create a lake, cause overbank flooding, and produce an effective water obstacle" for enemy forces.'
00:24 decimation not a bad idea
00:24 BingoBoingo Michail1: You showed up, know you've been around. Voiced you because bored.
00:24 Michail1 ah
00:24 mircea_popescu sounds retarded really.
00:24 Michail1 Think I have been here a long ass time, only for logging though.
00:24 BingoBoingo asciilifeform: But who wears the pack?
00:24 mircea_popescu what a fucking nightmare, a "countermobility" unit that drops random nukes
00:25 decimation mircea_popescu: why not? gotta stop the tanks somehow?
00:25 mircea_popescu heh.
00:26 mircea_popescu the only thing that'll do is increase your casualties.
00:26 asciilifeform 'But when Green Light team member Ken Richter began interviewing potential candidates, he said, not everyone was as enthusiastic: "I had a lot of people that I interviewed for our team. Once they found out what the mission was, they said, 'No, thanks. I'd rather go back to Vietnam.' "'
00:26 decimation it's not a particularly large bomb as nukes go
00:26 decimation but it still might trigger the 'ok let's start tossing nukes' scenario
00:27 BingoBoingo decimation: Few nukes are that big
00:27 mircea_popescu decimation that's not the idea. the idea is... so tanks go around, now you're stuck with some units caught between a crater fgulla radioactive water and enemy spear units
00:27 mircea_popescu without food or any possibility of being supported.
00:27 asciilifeform 'In addition, the two-man rule, which to this day dictates that no individual service member have the ability to arm a nuclear weapon, demanded that Green Light teams divide the code that unlocked the cover plate. But that could present a challenge if the wrong man got killed en route to the target. "Here you were with this hunk of sh-- in your bag and no good place to go," Flavin said. "So we said, 'Eh, I don't think we can a
00:27 asciilifeform llow that to happen,'" and his men agreed to share the code in the event of a real mission.' << l0lz
00:28 BingoBoingo Backpack nuke is referred to as Chicken and Waffles because dark meat makes dents in the world
00:28 decimation mircea_popescu: I assume this would all happen well into enemy territory
00:28 decimation by men who have a pretty good hint that they ain't coming home
00:28 mircea_popescu decimation even worse holy shit.
00:29 mircea_popescu imagine if the week after wehrmacht broke its cock in stalingrad
00:29 mircea_popescu someone dropped a bunch of nukes around
00:29 asciilifeform not certain the place would have looked much different..
00:29 mircea_popescu and don't pester me with "surgical precision". the last thing a defeated and runniung away force ca do is make sense.
00:29 decimation sounds like an effective way to cover a retreat
00:30 mircea_popescu if you've never retreated, maybe.
00:30 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: the one thing these are definitely known to have been used for is burial (connected to phone lines, yes!) at useful places in west germany: dams, power stations, factories
00:30 decimation not every army turns into random mob
00:30 mircea_popescu incidentally, the us got beaten to shit about 5000 times since ww2, or roughly speaking "in every engagement to date".
00:30 mircea_popescu this was never deployed
00:31 mircea_popescu i guess they're not all idiots up at staff office.
00:31 decimation because too pussy
00:31 mircea_popescu mno.
00:31 asciilifeform the live chickens (yes) variant, not deployed
00:31 asciilifeform the solid state - deployed
00:31 mircea_popescu demolition ?
00:31 asciilifeform unless rezun lovingly fabricated the very elaborate description of the thing in his autobio
00:31 asciilifeform (described su intel knowing precisely where they were)
00:32 asciilifeform demolition.
00:32 mircea_popescu aha. diff story.
00:32 BingoBoingo <mircea_popescu> and don't pester me with "surgical precision". the last thing a defeated and runniung away force ca do is make sense. << That sort of precision seems to demand people's backs
00:32 asciilifeform like the bridges, all over europe, with trotyl in the pylons permanently
00:32 asciilifeform to this day.
00:33 mircea_popescu notably, these aren't carried by a grunt.
00:33 asciilifeform aha
00:33 decimation no, specially trained volunteers
00:33 asciilifeform the manhole nukes weren't either
00:33 asciilifeform but same part #.
00:33 asciilifeform (quite a few were made)
00:33 asciilifeform having live men carry these things about was a fashion on both sides of the ocean
00:34 mircea_popescu because movies.
00:34 asciilifeform (for all i know, still is)
00:35 asciilifeform 'Probably to make the weapon resistant to electromagnetic pulses from any nearby nuclear explosions, as one might expect at the outset of war with the Soviets, the AEC had fashioned the SADM largely devoid of electronics. Instead, the device relied on two mechanical timers that, unfortunately, became less accurate the longer they were set for, potentially going off as early as eight minutes ahead of schedule or as many as 13 b
00:35 asciilifeform ehind. Army field manuals warned that it was "not possible to state that [the timers] will fire at a specific time," so SADM teams were trained to predict the general window in which the weapon would go off.'
00:35 asciilifeform ^ pure gold
00:36 decimation lol
00:36 asciilifeform did americans never invent 'chemical pencil' ??!!!
00:36 asciilifeform sop in all civilized nations in 1930s, i thought
00:36 decimation I thought the british gave that to tom cruise
00:36 decimation asciilifeform: maybe an issue with shelf life of acid?
00:36 asciilifeform what shelf life.
00:37 asciilifeform acid in glass lives forever
00:37 decimation I guess it is in a sealed bottle
00:37 mircea_popescu not so.
00:37 asciilifeform ampoule.
00:37 BingoBoingo <asciilifeform> ehind. Army field manuals warned that it was "not possible to state that [the timers] will fire at a specific time," so SADM teams were trained to predict the general window in which the weapon would go off.' << Guess the gold/brass ratio in the spring
00:38 asciilifeform sounds like my washing machine.
00:38 asciilifeform wouldn't be surprised if it is the same part.
00:39 BingoBoingo It prolly is. Laudered from "Boing" by GE
00:39 asciilifeform vice versa
00:39 BingoBoingo Nah
00:40 asciilifeform '"There were real issues with the operational wisdom of the program, and those who were to conduct the mission were sure that whomever thought this up was using bad hemp."'
00:40 BingoBoingo If otherwise Laundered from Boeing by Maytag
00:41 n6 How can I get the requirments for http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=15-07-2015#1202737 installed on gentoo?
00:41 assbot Logged on 15-07-2015 19:25:10; solrodar: http://178.62.64.22/dot-filter.py << instructions at top
00:41 BingoBoingo "The Marrakesh Express has arrived!" Best way to open a game of "dopewars"
00:41 asciilifeform n6: 'emerge'
00:43 decimation http://motherboard.vice.com/read/an-undead-sopa-is-hiding-inside-an-extremely-boring-case-about-invisible-braces < "Bizarrely, no physical goods came over the US border in this case. Rather, the digital file was transported over the internet. Last year, the ITC determined that it had the legal authority, under a tariff law from 1930, to stop the transmission of infringing digital files. "
00:43 assbot An Undead SOPA Is Hiding Inside an Extremely Boring Case About Invisible Braces | Motherboard ... ( http://bit.ly/1K4BJfX )
00:43 decimation "The ITC has the power to issue an “exclusion order” that directs US Customs and Border Protection to seize the goods. It also has a cease-and-desist power that can be directed at third parties. Violating the cease and desist order can result in a penalty of “$100,000 or twice the domestic value of the articles,” whichever is greater. "
00:44 asciilifeform BingoBoingo et al ^ qntra ?
00:44 n6 asciilifeform: I tried that but my lack of understanding prevented me from getting it working. went the docs still coulnd't get anywhere.
00:44 asciilifeform n6: might wanna speak to trinque when he wakes up
00:44 trinque I'm back
00:44 BingoBoingo asciilifeform: Something will likely appear this week. Moar noise on this frequency than just the braces.
00:44 * trinque catches up
00:44 trinque !up n6
00:45 BingoBoingo asciilifeform: I'll see if I can get dentist borther to chime in on the braces, but low hopes for that.
00:45 trinque n6: you can find the deps with emerge --search if they're in portage
00:46 trinque python stuff you may need to easy_install or pip install them
00:46 asciilifeform http://motherboard.vice.com/read/nasa-must-pay-russia-490-million-because-congress-wont-fund-trips-to-space << lulz
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00:46 assbot NASA Must Pay Russia $490 Million Because Congress Won't Fund Trips to Space | Motherboard ... ( http://bit.ly/1K4BOjV )
00:46 trinque n6: also if you don't mind me asking, how'd you get gentoo installed without wielding emerge?
00:46 decimation asciilifeform: oh, thinking about the 'mapTransactions' problem, I think the only real solution is a finite buffer with some kind of fifo
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00:47 decimation which I think you suggested awhile ago
00:47 asciilifeform decimation: see the thread with mircea_popescu
00:47 decimation I don't think you could fix 'as-is' without heavily fragmenting memory
00:47 decimation apparently most C++ programs don't even release the memory back to the os
00:47 asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-08-2015#1222794 << that one
00:47 assbot Logged on 03-08-2015 00:46:00; mircea_popescu: dPriority /= ::GetSerializeSize(tx, SER_NETWORK);
00:47 n6 I used AWS on ben_vulpes's recommendation, after failing to get it working on OS X
00:47 decimation so the only real solution is: don't allocate in the first place
00:48 asciilifeform in related nyooz,
00:48 asciilifeform dulap ~still~ blackholes
00:48 asciilifeform blackholed.
00:49 trinque n6: ah ok
00:49 trinque that's more or less cheating at gentoo
00:49 trinque which is to say you've been dropped into a spaceship already in flight
00:49 decimation asciilifeform: that thread doesn't state specifically, but I assume you are thinking the same (fixed buffer?)
00:49 asciilifeform aha
00:49 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10900 @ 0.00056234 = 6.1295 BTC [+] {2}
00:50 trinque n6: mod6's guide would take you through a process which will familiarize you with several of the most-used knobs and switches
00:50 BingoBoingo decimation: Solution is less thalidomide to malloc() mother during pregnancy
00:50 n6 trinque: Could you give me a link please?
00:51 trinque !s gentoo-stage3
00:51 assbot 2 results for 'gentoo-stage3' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=gentoo-stage3
00:51 decimation asciilifeform: I know mircea would like to push it off, but really I don't see a solution to the memory problem without devising some kind of priority mechanism for txns
00:51 trinque n6: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=20-07-2015#1207756
00:51 assbot Logged on 20-07-2015 15:20:21; mod6: http://thebitcoin.foundation/gentoo-stage3-amd64-nomultilib-guide.txt && http://thebitcoin.foundation/gentoo-stage3-amd64-uclibc-hardened-guide-wFullExamples.txt
00:52 trinque n6: my recommendation for a newb is to go with the first one.
00:52 n6 trinque: thanks I'm going to read this and try again. first one is dead?
00:52 BingoBoingo decimation: "exists"
00:52 trinque n6: link works for me
00:52 trinque http://thebitcoin.foundation/gentoo-stage3-amd64-nomultilib-guide.txt << this one
00:52 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1TXqHAl )
00:53 decimation BingoBoingo: needs more than miner fee, ideally some kind of 'bolt-on' mechanism for 'paying for a spot in the tx queue'
00:53 n6 trinque: thanks let me read this, and try again.
00:53 asciilifeform decimation: mircea_popescu's idea was to have it be precisely by miner fee
00:53 BingoBoingo decimation: Sure "exists"
00:53 asciilifeform and miners pay to access the cream of tx cache
00:53 trinque n6: bon voyage
00:54 decimation asciilifeform: it is now. earlier when I brought this up he (and jurov) said that it should be decided out-of-band with node owners
00:54 asciilifeform well yes, they pay out of band
00:54 asciilifeform ('in-band' doesn't really feature an explicit provision for this kind of dealing)
00:55 decimation yes but I mean the fees would be collected directly by the node-owner, not paid via miner
00:55 asciilifeform nope
00:55 asciilifeform miner pays to access the top of the sorted mempool
00:55 asciilifeform (the most lucrative-per-byte tx-en)
00:55 asciilifeform how he pays, was not yet determined afaik
00:56 punkman I don't see many scenarios where miner can't find nice transactions on his own
00:57 decimation well, that was what made sense to me originally too, but then there was http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-07-2015#1206573
00:57 assbot Logged on 19-07-2015 20:14:16; jurov: it's not hard for every node to advertise addy for caching fees
00:57 asciilifeform i can find 'nice' food on the forest floor.
00:57 asciilifeform or i can go to a store.
00:58 decimation asciilifeform: it does seem the most 'rational' for the miners to pay for access to the best nodes
00:58 asciilifeform aha
00:59 asciilifeform then again, it would also be rational for them not to fucktardedly 'spv'
00:59 decimation as opposed to the users to pay the nodes for services of questionable value (if it transmits, why care?)
00:59 asciilifeform yet they do.
00:59 asciilifeform likewise, for 99% of them it would be rational to never mine at all
00:59 asciilifeform never even to consider it
00:59 decimation asciilifeform: well, they might not 'spv' if they had a node network from which they could draw juicy fees
00:59 decimation asciilifeform: maybe they use stolen bunker oil in nigera to power jungle mining farm
01:00 asciilifeform mining as we know it does not exactly select for folks who rationally weigh roi
01:00 BingoBoingo Guzzoline! Witness!!!
01:00 decimation not unless they can also sell mining equipment, not
01:01 decimation but I still think this is true: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-07-2015#1206571
01:01 assbot Logged on 19-07-2015 20:13:10; decimation: yes, but you would agree that building such a network with an eye toward minimizingn latency everywhere would be expensive
01:01 decimation it's not gonna be 'free' to build good node caching network, gotta pay $$$ for access to mining 'input hole'
01:02 decimation wherever that might be
01:02 asciilifeform wai wat
01:02 decimation asciilifeform: say you have the 'fee maximizing' software written
01:02 decimation someone else takes it and runs on a network with less latency than yours
01:03 decimation miners don't pay you anymore
01:03 asciilifeform at a certain point, the only real use of mining will be collect tx fees
01:03 asciilifeform decimation: how much would you personally pay to shave a millisecond of latency ?
01:03 asciilifeform diminishing returns
01:03 decimation true, and it has to be balanced against the size of the 'fee haul'
01:04 asciilifeform don't forget the other variable:
01:04 asciilifeform sanity.
01:04 decimation I suppose this aspect of bitcoin too seems to be inevitably centralized/carteled
01:04 asciilifeform as in, 'this pool is a millisecond faster but runs gavinized soup'
01:04 decimation sure.
01:04 asciilifeform 'this one takes ten minutes per but is run by a fella i know alive'
01:05 asciilifeform the folks who pick the former over the latter - get darwined, like the spv morons are now in the process of;
01:05 asciilifeform good riddance.
01:05 decimation aye.
01:05 asciilifeform granted, this could take a while.
01:06 * decimation waiting for the "ITC" to issue a "general warrant" for bitcoin packets crossing us border
01:06 BingoBoingo Lord Humungus sets the terms
01:15 BingoBoingo Man Australia is fucked up
01:19 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 146950 @ 0.00056235 = 82.6373 BTC [+]
01:25 BingoBoingo The Humungus rules the Wasteland
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01:41 BingoBoingo And nobody rocks the cock like Krista Now
01:41 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30002 @ 0.00056595 = 16.9796 BTC [+] {7}
01:46 punkman BingoBoingo: here ya go https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wCYB0lzoofc
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01:46 assbot Southland Tales - funny car commercial - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1OSosuJ )
01:46 BingoBoingo lol
01:46 BingoBoingo Cars fuckign cars, cats and dogs getting along. Drepper really did beat Linus on Glibc didn't he.
01:49 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31899 @ 0.00056762 = 18.1065 BTC [+]
01:50 BingoBoingo Entire English language RPG genre though, based on a shit Aussie flick
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05:01 Adlai trinque: where exactly is deedbot-'s source?
05:06 Adlai !s verifying deeds
05:06 assbot 1 results for 'verifying deeds' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=verifying+deeds
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05:39 cazalla http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-08-2015#1226593 <<< i dunno about you guys but when i was a renter, i had a commando 450 i would use to replace the water saving shower head at every single place i let and would reaffix it at the end of the lease
05:39 assbot Logged on 05-08-2015 22:39:05; ascii_field: 'Welcome to regulated America, where once fabulous consumer inventions like refrigerators, freezers, washing machines, and dishwashers have been reduced to a barely functioning state. The reasons are always the same: 1) phosphorous-free detergent, 2) a fetish with saving water, 3) weaker motors that use less electricity, 4) more tepid water due to low default settings on hot water heaters, and 5) reduce
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06:44 kakobrekla ;;isup trilema.com
06:44 gribble trilema.com is down
06:46 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5700 @ 0.00055416 = 3.1587 BTC [-]
06:56 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32700 @ 0.00056301 = 18.4104 BTC [+] {3}
07:10 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 58674 @ 0.00055339 = 32.4696 BTC [-] {3}
07:11 Adlai deedbot-: http://dpaste.com/1JRE9WM
07:11 assbot dpaste: 1JRE9WM ... ( http://bit.ly/1hl0Iov )
07:11 deedbot- Bad URL or network outage.
07:17 kakobrekla i think you need raw
07:17 kakobrekla deedbot-: http://dpaste.com/1JRE9WM.txt
07:17 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1hl1qCb )
07:17 deedbot- accepted: 1
07:24 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9800 @ 0.00054966 = 5.3867 BTC [-] {2}
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08:03 Adlai ty kakobrekla
08:06 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14300 @ 0.00054966 = 7.8601 BTC [-]
08:08 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 58500 @ 0.00054914 = 32.1247 BTC [-] {3}
08:09 shinohai http://www.coindesk.com/tokyo-court-bitcoin-not-subject-to-ownership-2/?utm_content=bufferf2fe9&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=buffer
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08:09 assbot Tokyo Court: Bitcoin Not Subject to Ownership ... ( http://bit.ly/1eUYOco )
08:11 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20500 @ 0.00054839 = 11.242 BTC [-]
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08:27 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 97250 @ 0.00054551 = 53.0508 BTC [-] {7}
08:32 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2102 @ 0.00055337 = 1.1632 BTC [+] {2}
08:33 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36798 @ 0.00056173 = 20.6705 BTC [+]
08:45 shinohai ;;ticker
08:45 gribble Bitfinex BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 279.43, Best ask: 279.44, Bid-ask spread: 0.01000, Last trade: 279.44, 24 hour volume: 10200.05712033, 24 hour low: 278.64, 24 hour high: 284.11, 24 hour vwap: None
08:48 mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-08-2015#1227427 << strangely, that article doesn't read "russia is acting like a mature adult and is ignoring our idiot child tantrums re "embargo". instead, they graciously allow us to use infrastructure we can't afford, for being poor, the consequence of having been stuck in idiot child mode for decades now"
08:48 assbot Logged on 06-08-2015 04:46:16; asciilifeform: http://motherboard.vice.com/read/nasa-must-pay-russia-490-million-because-congress-wont-fund-trips-to-space << lulz
08:48 mircea_popescu i wonder why that is.
08:48 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 46100 @ 0.00056173 = 25.8958 BTC [+]
08:48 mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-08-2015#1227430 << you are both very late to this party and also who are you again ?
08:48 assbot Logged on 06-08-2015 04:46:59; decimation: asciilifeform: oh, thinking about the 'mapTransactions' problem, I think the only real solution is a finite buffer with some kind of fifo
08:49 mircea_popescu i'd like to know who people that discuss what i would like or wouldn't like are. so lemme know.
08:58 asciilifeform wai wut
08:59 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: iirc he was talking about the failure-to-deallocate thing. (and slept through the threads where the hypothetical structure of a sane mempool was discussed
08:59 asciilifeform )
09:01 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: and iirc he's this dour german engineer fella stuck in northeast usa somewhere.
09:02 asciilifeform in other nyooz, dulap ~STILL~ blackholed
09:02 asciilifeform 'getinfo' from 24 hours ago, ~still~ hanging.
09:03 asciilifeform zoolag and incitatus at 368648, 52 and 33 connections respectively, functioning normally.
09:04 shinohai Someone dislikes you asciilifeform
09:05 asciilifeform http://bitcoinist.net/going-soft-porn-officially-banned-india << poor indiancandy
09:05 assbot Going Soft: Porn Officially Banned in India - Bitcoinist.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1P8ecPV )
09:07 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32400 @ 0.0005413 = 17.5381 BTC [-]
09:09 asciilifeform shinohai: 'someone' is supplying a valuable massage service
09:10 shinohai Be like water.
09:18 asciilifeform trying connection 108.61.68.152:8333 lastseen=-40.8hrs lasttry=-20.6hrs
09:18 asciilifeform connect() failed after select(): Connection refused
09:18 asciilifeform trying connection 195.182.134.21:8333 lastseen=-44.0hrs lasttry=-22.6hrs
09:18 asciilifeform connect() failed after select(): Connection refused
09:18 asciilifeform trying connection 79.244.125.206:8333 lastseen=-41.2hrs lasttry=-20.3hrs
09:18 asciilifeform connect() failed after select(): No route to host
09:18 asciilifeform ^ zombie world
09:19 asciilifeform i often wonder, any reason not to banhammer folks who won't accept connectback at 8333? if you wanna speak, get out from behind that nat, and be a full node ?
09:20 asciilifeform or else why talking
09:20 asciilifeform everywhere these remoras, who want to play without playing
09:23 mircea_popescu asciilifeform i'd prefer this in the form of "running X bit of b-a infrastructure". otherwise...
09:23 asciilifeform wai wat
09:24 * asciilifeform confused
09:24 mircea_popescu re above thread. and re nat thread, traditionally it's been regarded as "good for bitcoin" to allow consumer folk connect ot the network.
09:24 asciilifeform i formerly thought this, also
09:24 asciilifeform now - not certain
09:25 mircea_popescu i really don't have a strong opinion on it, but i am pretty certain it's not them making you unreachable.
09:25 * asciilifeform trying to restart node on dulap, bitcoin won't even eat SIGTERM
09:25 mircea_popescu kill -9
09:26 mircea_popescu anyway, leaving aside the ever present possibility of extremely obscure bug resulting from our changes, it'd be a backbone issue.
09:26 asciilifeform could mean a leprosied blockchain and two day-long outage
09:26 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: didntcha have the same issue on own node ?
09:26 mircea_popescu yes.
09:26 asciilifeform (of own creation)
09:26 mircea_popescu this doesn't preclude the foregoing.
09:27 asciilifeform i have a working hypothesis concerning something other than leprous backbone, but it needs moar test
09:28 asciilifeform (suspect that phoundation 0.10+ misbehaves vis a vis 'classic' nodes)
09:28 mircea_popescu anyway. the general philosophy of teh interwebs was you know, fault tolerance since day i. "just stand up more nodes" is how one could summarize the internets.
09:30 mircea_popescu Аккаунт
09:30 mircea_popescu dude russian's hysterical.
09:30 asciilifeform l0l
09:30 asciilifeform that's a new one.
09:30 mircea_popescu it's just...
09:31 mircea_popescu the battle dwarves do 133 damage. "piticii de batalie fac 133 stricaciune".
09:31 mircea_popescu one of the lulziest things in nature is watching voiceovered shows in romanian. beats any conceivable mst3k or anything.
09:31 asciilifeform better than fr ?
09:32 mircea_popescu way.
09:32 mircea_popescu french is just weird, like, someone's mentally retarded. romanian is hysterical, like someone's very drunk
09:32 mircea_popescu ymmv.
09:32 asciilifeform kill-9, restarted, now wedged at 'Loading block index...'
09:32 asciilifeform typical.
09:32 mircea_popescu that'll take a while.
09:33 mircea_popescu btw, prolly best run it with -detachdb switched on
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09:33 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29800 @ 0.00055381 = 16.5035 BTC [+] {2}
09:34 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: we haven't got this flag
09:34 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: it must be in yours only
09:34 shinohai https://i.imgur.com/DeIjKnl.jpg
09:34 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1P8h6Ef )
09:35 asciilifeform aaaaaand we're back to black hole hell
09:35 punkman asciilifeform: does your node have 40k addresses in its wallet?
09:35 asciilifeform punkman: the wallet has never been fired
09:35 asciilifeform on this box
09:38 mircea_popescu oh
09:38 mircea_popescu well gotta do something re db corruption
09:39 mircea_popescu maybe rsync the bdb
09:39 * shinohai still wants to torrent blockchain f he can ever get a clean sync.
09:39 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: aha, what did you think i did before.
09:39 mircea_popescu aha works.
09:39 asciilifeform hence when i said '2 day outage'
09:39 asciilifeform but that's lame
09:40 mircea_popescu so it is.
09:40 mircea_popescu shinohai the problem with that is in the verficiation.
09:40 asciilifeform anyway i discover to my surprise that the thing has been synced all this time.
09:40 punkman asciilifeform: just wondering about http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-08-2015#1225902
09:40 assbot Logged on 05-08-2015 17:50:18; ben_vulpes: Loaded 39823 addresses
09:40 asciilifeform somehow.
09:41 mircea_popescu asciilifeform you were complaining about outbound not inbound.
09:41 shinohai mircea_popescu: any suggestions on how to solve that problem?
09:41 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: inbound also did not and still does not work reliably
09:41 mircea_popescu shinohai not really. either you verify or you don't. if you don't, might as well not bother storing a blockchain of unknown origion and run spv. if you do, you do.
09:41 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22502 @ 0.0005629 = 12.6664 BTC [+] {4}
09:41 mircea_popescu asciilifeform fortunately bitcoin doesn't actually require reliability
09:42 shinohai spv isn't a real node :/
09:42 mircea_popescu neither is a torrented blockchain
09:42 mircea_popescu in fact they are exactly iudentical.
09:43 mircea_popescu note that when i stood up an ancient chain, to assuage any conceivable doubts about blockchain contiguity from day one, i let people actually filter it in through the normal process, rather than torrent it.
09:43 asciilifeform one can always 'eatblock' the thing.
09:46 mircea_popescu this is true.
09:46 * asciilifeform finally broke down and went to look for the mythical 'RejectNonSatanicNode()' in enemy https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/tree/master/src . what a shitnest !
09:47 assbot bitcoin/src at master · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1P8iJBQ )
09:47 mircea_popescu not sure the hassle's worth it, but one could.
09:47 mircea_popescu asciilifeform what loc count is it at yet, 5mn ?
09:47 asciilifeform could've sworn there was half again as much of it last i looked
09:47 mircea_popescu wait. what ?!
09:47 mircea_popescu power rangers actually pruned some code ?!
09:48 asciilifeform mno ?
09:48 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 45200 @ 0.00057383 = 25.9371 BTC [+] {2}
09:49 mike_c half again = 50% more, not less
09:49 asciilifeform was half its size now
09:49 asciilifeform is what i meant.
09:50 mircea_popescu oh
09:50 mircea_popescu yeah, half-again is 150%. ancient roman convention.
09:50 asciilifeform that thing is ~7MB ~zipped~
09:50 asciilifeform ah hm
09:50 mircea_popescu ahahaha good god
09:51 * asciilifeform not relishing the perspective of attempting building and running that thing
09:51 mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-08-2015#1227572 < check it out BingoBoingo, "tokyo court submits to old MP article"
09:51 assbot Logged on 06-08-2015 12:09:06; shinohai: http://www.coindesk.com/tokyo-court-bitcoin-not-subject-to-ownership-2/?utm_content=bufferf2fe9&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=buffer
09:52 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: btw my current hypothesis is that recent phoundation turds balk at node which refuses to BIP-14
09:53 asciilifeform (similar to how 'bitnodes' does)
09:53 mircea_popescu asciilifeform specifically : the sestertius was really "semis-tertius", or, half-third.
09:53 mircea_popescu ie, two and a half.
09:53 * asciilifeform ought to have remembered this.
09:53 mircea_popescu they basically counted halves. half, half-once (1 1/2) half-twice etc
09:54 mircea_popescu indicative of the braindamage bad conventional notation bakes into thought
09:54 mircea_popescu re that old thread.
09:54 asciilifeform aha
09:55 asciilifeform find ./bitcoin-master/ -type f -exec cat {} + | wc -l
09:55 asciilifeform wait for it...
09:55 asciilifeform 335645
09:55 * mircea_popescu waits for it
09:55 mircea_popescu ah, not even a million yet. what sort of video driver is this!
09:58 asciilifeform a copy of stator: 24209
09:59 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17800 @ 0.00056958 = 10.1385 BTC [-]
09:59 mircea_popescu so bitcoin is 93% shittier than power-ranger bitcoin right ?
09:59 asciilifeform (src dir)
09:59 asciilifeform turdator's src dir: 287866
10:04 asciilifeform aaand dulap is back in business. for now...
10:05 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: re: your earlier observation 'moar nodes!' - must determine if enemy is able to wedge on demand. because then it does not particularly matter how many of us there are.
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10:23 asciilifeform 'The Berkeley DB database library stores data in both “.dat” and “log” files, so the database is always in a consistent state, even in case of power failure or other sudden shutdown. The format of the “.dat” files is portable between different versions of Berkeley DB, but the “log” files are not– even minor version differences may have incompatible “log” files. The -detachdb option moves any pending chang
10:23 asciilifeform es from the “log” files to the “blkindex.dat” file for maximum compatibility, but makes shutdown much slower. Note that the “wallet.dat” file is always detached, and versions prior to 0.6.0 detached all databases at shutdown.'
10:23 asciilifeform (found, from 0.7.2 readme)
10:23 asciilifeform mircea_popescu ^
10:24 asciilifeform ( https://bitcoin.org/en/release/v0.7.2 )
10:25 assbot Bitcoin-Qt version 0.7.2 released ... ( http://bit.ly/1InZpy7 )
10:26 asciilifeform doesn't appear to be of interest.
10:26 asciilifeform unless mircea_popescu's -detachdb does something else!
10:27 asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-11-2014#925307 << apparently in the logz, even.
10:27 assbot Logged on 16-11-2014 06:12:47; ben_vulpes: http://94i30.net/wp-content/bitcoin-p2sh/bitcoin-detachdb.php << for lulz
10:27 punkman I like how detach means combine into a single file?
10:29 * asciilifeform bbl
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10:49 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20451 @ 0.00057069 = 11.6712 BTC [+]
10:58 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 62750 @ 0.00056585 = 35.5071 BTC [-] {3}
11:04 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 89493 @ 0.00057094 = 51.0951 BTC [+] {3}
11:07 decimation no wonder why shutting down stator takes so long
11:08 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12421 @ 0.00056265 = 6.9887 BTC [-] {3}
11:11 mircea_popescu asciilifeform actually, yeah. my detachdb forces proper flushing of db ops to disk such that the disk is always consistent. this was (mostly) the behaviour pre 6. the power rangers came up with a retarded scheme where they held about half of txn in memory in an ad hoic cache
11:11 mircea_popescu which results in a situation where killed bitcoinds ruin their blockchain because well... can't make sense of it anymore.
11:11 mircea_popescu this idiocy is actually where i ordered divergence.
11:12 mircea_popescu who ever came up with the idea that "it's ok to corrupt permanent storage if volatile ram dies"....
11:14 mircea_popescu asciilifeform enemy is not able to wedge on demand.
11:17 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30600 @ 0.00054829 = 16.7777 BTC [-] {3}
11:26 shinohai http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/spy-agency-whistle-blower-posted-top-secret-report-4chan-users-called-it-fake-gay-1514330 <<< top kek
11:26 assbot Spy agency whistle-blower posts top secret report to 4chan but users dismiss it as 'fake and gay' ... ( http://bit.ly/1IsruCb )
11:27 mircea_popescu social media ftw.
11:27 assbot [HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 70 @ 0.10184894 = 7.1294 BTC [+] {18}
11:30 mircea_popescu "John McAfee, the eccentric antivirus pioneer, was arrested in Tennessee for driving under the influence of drugs and possessing a handgun while intoxicated."
11:31 mircea_popescu "The shootout with the police was highly exaggerated and in fact no one was even hit by a bullet, let alone harmed by one. The police knew me and I don't believe their hearts were truly in the shootout, as it is not included in the official report. When I ran out of ammunition, I surrendered quietly and the officers and my self had a cigarette together and joked about my bad aim."
11:31 mircea_popescu guy's taking some pretty powerful xanax.
11:31 shinohai Or some other drug discovered in the jungles of Belize.
11:33 mircea_popescu honestly i'm surprised he's not more publicised. seems just the man to lead a "bitcoin resurection effort" "cryptosecure phone" or whatever other such usg-nonsense
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11:34 mircea_popescu in other news, make-up does wonders http://36.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_ls0lwkdqCj1qciaxlo1_1280.jpg
11:34 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1MPAV4K )
11:36 shinohai creamy ...
11:39 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22900 @ 0.00055415 = 12.69 BTC [+] {3}
11:41 shinohai My god, mircea_popescu was right: https://twitter.com/officialmcafee/status/628858360704704512
11:42 shinohai He has no qualms about discussing it, heh
11:43 mircea_popescu yeha guy's out there.
11:44 trinque https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bKgf5PaBzyg
11:44 assbot How To Uninstall McAfee Antivirus - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1Isunmw )
11:49 punkman looks like he hasn't had a haircut for a decade
11:49 mircea_popescu maybe it's glued on
11:49 shinohai Like half of the people in Tennessee
11:53 shinohai And Xstians are always bandying about how persecuted they are: http://www.rt.com/usa/311664-school-child-lawsuit-god/
11:53 assbot School ‘banishes’ 7yo student for saying he doesn’t believe in God – lawsuit — RT USA ... ( http://bit.ly/1IsvP8i )
11:56 trinque good for the kid
12:01 trinque Adlai | trinque: where exactly is deedbot-'s source? << on my laptop and a server, no shithub to be found
12:01 trinque and backed up of course
12:01 trinque but anyway, if you'd like a copy, I could give you one
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12:03 trinque the deed transactions spend to an address generated using the sha256 of the bundle as the private key
12:03 trinque bundle is each deed in order with a single newline between
12:04 trinque meaning ascii armor footer and header touching
12:04 shinohai trinque: does deedbot run on limnoria ?
12:06 trinque nah this tenyks bot I no longer like
12:06 trinque has trouble reconnecting, seems like a race condition
12:08 trinque I like that it's built as a core server and the services are independent of that
12:09 trinque rather than strap myself to golang I'm going to jettison it at some point and reimplement the services model in CL
12:11 punkman trinque: did you write the services in go?
12:11 trinque nah, python
12:11 trinque it does pub/sub over redis
12:12 trinque so anything with a redis client would work
12:12 trinque it might be a simple fix to get it to reconnect better; I just lack the interest to cram yet another c-like language into my head
12:15 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 64200 @ 0.0005714 = 36.6839 BTC [+] {5}
12:20 punkman trinque: how's btcd been behaving btw?
12:23 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14590 @ 0.00057198 = 8.3452 BTC [+]
12:24 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 68700 @ 0.00057384 = 39.4228 BTC [+]
12:27 mircea_popescu !up ascii_field
12:32 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 47857 @ 0.00056415 = 26.9985 BTC [-] {4}
12:33 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2343 @ 0.00055892 = 1.3095 BTC [-]
12:34 ascii_field http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-08-2015#1227750 << already forgot his 'coloured phone' ?
12:34 assbot Logged on 06-08-2015 15:33:07; mircea_popescu: honestly i'm surprised he's not more publicised. seems just the man to lead a "bitcoin resurection effort" "cryptosecure phone" or whatever other such usg-nonsense
12:35 ascii_field (it was to be something like our hypothetical radio relay. but he got belized before it got any traction.)
12:36 ascii_field anyway mcaffee is something almost like a real person and not a good candidate. loose cannon from usg pov
12:42 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 81216 @ 0.00055115 = 44.7622 BTC [-] {6}
12:44 ascii_field ;;isup trilema.com
12:44 gribble trilema.com is down
12:54 trinque punkman | trinque: how's btcd been behaving btw? << so well I barely notice it
12:54 trinque haven't had a problem yet.
12:54 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 51111 @ 0.00055984 = 28.614 BTC [+] {3}
12:57 ascii_field trinque: public node ?
12:58 trinque ascii_field: should be listening at 54.68.114.104:8333
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13:17 punkman "Well, in my first six movies I was just "Krysta." You know, but then in order to differentiate myself from the 76 other Krystas in the business, I added the "Now." Well, it's all about now, 2008, not next week, not tomorrow. If you wanna fuck me, you can fuck me... now."
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13:54 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 82300 @ 0.00055787 = 45.9127 BTC [-] {4}
13:58 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27538 @ 0.00054829 = 15.0988 BTC [-]
14:00 mircea_popescu ascii_field mebbe so.
14:01 mircea_popescu punkman a good principle for sure.
14:01 mircea_popescu too many diesel cunts in the world.
14:05 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37100 @ 0.00056256 = 20.871 BTC [+] {3}
14:07 thestringpuller unleaded cunts only
14:08 jurov_now nao!!!
14:08 BingoBoingo !b 6
14:08 assbot Last 6 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/2KZXXX6.txt )
14:15 ben_vulpes coracle wedged firmly at 367850.
14:16 ben_vulpes i think my route forward is to back up the existing blockchain, and resync from one of the noble nodes
14:18 BingoBoingo !up ascii_field
14:19 ben_vulpes ascii_field: you didn't find anything interesting in that log of mine, did you?
14:19 ascii_field nope
14:20 ben_vulpes BingoBoingo: side note, perhaps qntra'd run something about how noble nodes that have well-ordered blockchains can now be synced from?
14:20 BingoBoingo I think alf may be onto something with the BIP 14 user agent strings. If nodes are claiming maxint protocol version and not serving a user-agent string to turd nodes.
14:20 BingoBoingo ben_vulpes: I think I wrote that up already. Just didn't call them nobel nodes.
14:21 BingoBoingo ben_vulpes: http://qntra.net/2015/07/most-serene-republic-begins-advertising-public-blockchain-seed-nodes/
14:21 assbot Most Serene Republic Begins Advertising Public Blockchain Seed Nodes | Qntra ... ( http://bit.ly/1DtwUjM )
14:21 ascii_field BingoBoingo: ~noble~
14:21 ascii_field gargh
14:21 ben_vulpes BingoBoingo: that article doesn't highlight chain ancestry
14:22 ben_vulpes which is also neat
14:22 ben_vulpes but w/e, your shop
14:22 ben_vulpes ascii_field: any other things i should try before backing up my blockchain and resyncing?
14:22 * ben_vulpes doesn't wedge frequently
14:22 ascii_field restart ?
14:22 BingoBoingo ben_vulpes: It will likely get dropped in again with other actual Bitcoin news.
14:23 BingoBoingo <ascii_field> BingoBoingo: ~noble~ << I prefer the dynamite guy.
14:23 ben_vulpes ascii_field: have yeah.
14:23 ascii_field ben_vulpes: post pcap plz
14:26 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30000 @ 0.00056348 = 16.9044 BTC [+] {2}
14:26 scoopbot_revived Tokyo Court Affirms Ancient Bitcoin Wisdom: Coins Gifted to Scammers are No Longer Yours http://qntra.net/2015/08/tokyo-court-affirms-ancient-bitcoin-wisdom-coins-gifted-to-scammers-are-no-longer-yours/
14:27 ben_vulpes ascii_field: dev-haskell/pcap?
14:27 ben_vulpes no no no
14:28 ascii_field nono
14:28 ascii_field tcpdump
14:28 ben_vulpes aha
14:30 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30600 @ 0.00056441 = 17.2709 BTC [+]
14:39 ben_vulpes welp i hosed this gentoo somehow
14:39 ben_vulpes tcpdump: command not found
14:40 ben_vulpes man tcpdump: werkz
14:40 jurov_now did it emerge successfully?
14:41 ben_vulpes pretty sure.
14:41 trinque ben_vulpes: some shells cache the bins in in $PATH
14:41 trinque might have to re-open
14:41 * ben_vulpes shrugs, runs emerge again
14:41 ben_vulpes guys i dont understand the first thing about computers
14:41 trinque ben_vulpes: open a new term
14:41 ben_vulpes trinque: tried that.
14:42 trinque hm, then ass-goblins
14:42 ben_vulpes will post emergelog shortly.
14:43 trinque ben_vulpes: ah it gets put in /usr/sbin
14:43 trinque probably requires root to run
14:43 ben_vulpes sudo tcpdump?
14:43 ben_vulpes i are a dorp
14:43 ben_vulpes whoa okay yeah it werkz. i don't.
14:43 punkman https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tIdIqbv7SPo
14:44 assbot Bill Withers - Ain't No Sunshine - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1HtMUwX )
14:50 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29150 @ 0.00056441 = 16.4526 BTC [+]
14:50 ben_vulpes ascii_field: how long of a pcap run?
14:54 BingoBoingo !up ascii_field
14:56 shinohai $google uses for worthless asics
14:56 trinque shinohai: got any wind-related issues with paper?
14:57 shinohai wut ...
14:57 trinque also, new entry for metal thread https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SDPkCy_XmII
14:57 assbot Black Crown Initiate - The Wreckage Of Stars (2014) Full Album - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1HtOq21 )
14:57 trinque shinohai: paperweight joke
14:57 shinohai I was thinking doorstop
14:58 shinohai I was cleaning out my computer junk, found these two old gridseeds I bought like 2 years ago
14:59 trinque ever get any coin out of them?
14:59 trinque I'm always curious whether people had a net gain mining
15:02 shinohai I made roi but using it in dual mode to mine shitty alts. More trouble than it was worth honestly.
15:02 shinohai I mainly purchased them as curiousity.
15:05 punkman trinque, maybe not net gainz *now*, but people that can afford to wait for the price to be right should make some tidy profits
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15:06 punkman I suspect the hand-to-mouth miners were only profitable for some very short periods of time
~ 36 minutes ~
15:42 BingoBoingo http://www.startribune.com/gay-teens-have-higher-pregnancy-rates-than-their-straight-peers/320842991/
15:43 assbot Gay teens have higher pregnancy rates than their straight peers - StarTribune.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1UqXUEu )
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15:44 funkenstein_ !up franckuestein
15:46 shinohai Somehow BingoBoingo I feel that article was trolling me
15:47 BingoBoingo shinohai: Maybe pregnancy made them gay?
15:48 shinohai Possibly, "OMG this sucks so bad imma become a carpet muncher" <<< plausible?
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15:51 jurov_now hardly any teen is sure of their orientation
16:01 mircea_popescu lol jurov_now
16:01 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 121250 @ 0.00056568 = 68.5887 BTC [+] {3}
16:02 mircea_popescu is this your new pornstar name ?
16:02 jurov_now yes, now!
16:02 punkman it rolls of the tongue
16:02 punkman should keep it
16:02 mircea_popescu but yes, tis true. hardly any teen is sure of their anything. you get the choice to either force them into a role, and thus get ballet dancers, olympic athletes, women, men, depression and suicide
16:03 mircea_popescu or else let them bubble in their own stew and get redditars. and depression.
16:03 mircea_popescu no suicide because they're not actually competent enough to do it, for the most part.
16:03 mircea_popescu i'm sure there's also a third way, like the communism that actually works (tm)
16:04 mircea_popescu and in other news, http://41.media.tumblr.com/b87c2816a835bd58b67c84fe28c4d6d0/tumblr_mzdfcezjIC1rgintpo1_1280.jpg
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16:04 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1DxmpeU )
16:04 asciilifeform !up ascii_field
16:05 ascii_field mircea_popescu: l0l wut is this mythical creature that is unsure of things
16:05 mircea_popescu kids.
16:05 ascii_field the dumber, the more cocksure, i thought
16:06 mircea_popescu !up n6
16:06 mircea_popescu ascii_field the problem is that dumb speaks to two different things.
16:07 n6 mircea_popescu: I still working on getting http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=15-07-2015#1202737 working but I noticed you have an open bounty (http://trilema.com/2015/open-callgraph-for-therealbitcoin-in-svg-format/#comment-114958) still. someone linked the done work already(http://cascadianhacker.com/bitcoin/callgraph/bitcoin-dot.svg) can I collect?
16:07 assbot Logged on 15-07-2015 19:25:10; solrodar: http://178.62.64.22/dot-filter.py << instructions at top
16:07 shinohai http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-08-2015#1227896 <<< beats sharpies-in-ass
16:07 assbot Logged on 06-08-2015 20:04:16; mircea_popescu: and in other news, http://41.media.tumblr.com/b87c2816a835bd58b67c84fe28c4d6d0/tumblr_mzdfcezjIC1rgintpo1_1280.jpg
16:07 funkenstein_ http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-08-2015#1227884 <-- could be only way to keep dad around
16:07 assbot Logged on 06-08-2015 19:48:15; shinohai: Possibly, "OMG this sucks so bad imma become a carpet muncher" <<< plausible?
16:07 mircea_popescu n6 it's been paid out et all for a while.
16:07 n6 ah too bad.
16:08 mircea_popescu you know, by the solrodar guy that actually did it.
16:09 n6 ah I thought it might be to good to be true.
16:12 mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-08-2015#1227877 <>< in which case the tidy profits are not from mining
16:12 assbot Logged on 06-08-2015 19:05:00; punkman: trinque, maybe not net gainz *now*, but people that can afford to wait for the price to be right should make some tidy profits
16:13 mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-08-2015#1227880 << anyway, this imo should be sufficient proof that "gay" is a fashion label, being used for political gain by unscrupulous operators but otherwise perfectly unrelated with anything substantial
16:13 assbot Logged on 06-08-2015 19:43:02; assbot: Gay teens have higher pregnancy rates than their straight peers - StarTribune.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1UqXUEu )
16:13 mircea_popescu such as anyhone's sexuality.,
16:14 mircea_popescu they're "gay" these teens in the sense the 1910s teens were "warlike"
16:19 ben_vulpes http://feminism.shithouse.tv
16:19 assbot feminism ... ( http://bit.ly/1NcWFob )
16:19 ben_vulpes http://anti-feminism.shithouse.tv
16:19 assbot anti-feminism ... ( http://bit.ly/1NcWFEF )
16:23 punkman http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-08-2015#1227522 << heh https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uMM0lRfX6YI
16:23 assbot Logged on 06-08-2015 05:46:09; punkman: BingoBoingo: here ya go https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wCYB0lzoofc
16:23 assbot Charger prototype finding its way to Model S - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1Dxox6u )
16:26 ascii_field >> http://i.imgur.com/qB9sO7O.gifv <<
16:26 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1DxoOGB )
16:27 punkman is the dolphin using a headless fish as a fucktoy?
16:27 ascii_field yes.
16:28 BingoBoingo http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/govt-and-politics/illinois-will-close-world-shooting-complex-in-sparta-at-end/article_035fe93b-9bdc-5609-9be6-9bfc63b01488.html
16:28 assbot Illinois will close World Shooting Complex in Sparta at end of August : News ... ( http://bit.ly/1Dxp4Fq )
16:28 scoopbot_revived Fiat Chrysler Sued in Court Over Security Vulnerability http://qntra.net/2015/08/fiat-chrysler-sued-in-court-over-security-vulnerability/
16:29 trinque bahahah, that's about as good as the monkey fucking a frog
16:29 trinque I never knew dolphins could do such a lecherous face
16:30 trinque https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kU9-TKRkaUw << for those who must witness
16:30 assbot Monkey Rapes Frog - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1Dxpn3c )
16:35 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5209 @ 0.00056614 = 2.949 BTC [+]
16:39 pete_dushenski BingoBoingo in that last qntra, i think you forgot to mention http://qntra.net/2015/07/entertainment-system-vulnerability-turns-vehicles-into-hot-death/
16:39 assbot "Entertainment System" Vulnerability Turns Vehicles Into Hot Death | Qntra ... ( http://bit.ly/1NcYLV2 )
16:39 BingoBoingo ty pete_dushenski
16:39 pete_dushenski np my man
16:40 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 52738 @ 0.00056749 = 29.9283 BTC [+] {2}
16:40 kakobrekla http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-08-2015#1227167 < hm yea this makes for an interesting read http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/gnupg/users/52137
16:40 assbot Logged on 06-08-2015 03:37:01; mircea_popescu: kakobrekla any idea ?
16:40 assbot Problems with two active encryption subkeys | GnuPG | users ... ( http://bit.ly/1NcZ0Q9 )
16:41 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25600 @ 0.00057072 = 14.6104 BTC [+] {2}
16:55 pete_dushenski http://www.contravex.com/2015/06/10/oldapps-com-under-attack-or-this-is-why-you-checksum/#comment-25282 << oldapps.com update
16:55 assbot OldApps.com under attack, or this is why you checksum. | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/1DxspUU )
16:56 pete_dushenski shit's gotten worse instead of better.
16:57 pete_dushenski after finding a discrepancy between the downloaded file (firefox 29) and the listed checksum two months ago, they responded by removing the checksums on all files !
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16:58 pete_dushenski because maybe that'll make them more secure and trustworthy or something
16:58 shinohai That solves everything doesn't it?
16:58 pete_dushenski in lalaland, it would see so
16:58 pete_dushenski seem
16:58 shinohai Because sbtraction is the most important part of maths
17:00 pete_dushenski because obstruction is the most important part of diddling old software
17:01 pete_dushenski because hey, everyone should just get with the program and use the latest shiniest most califragilistically stupendous apps and oses coming out of everyone's bungholes
17:01 pete_dushenski god forbid anyone actually become accustomed to the tools of their craft and, y'know, improve at their craft !
17:02 pete_dushenski then they wouldn't have time for mob media outrage and they'd miss out on the opportunity to put dentists out of work
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17:02 pete_dushenski and that's really no way to live in the modern age, no is it.
17:03 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35028 @ 0.00057198 = 20.0353 BTC [+] {2}
17:03 trinque pete_dushenski: if you have good hashes of any old things, consider making a deed
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17:03 pete_dushenski it's much better if you're always grappling with the superficial changes that the devs on high release every goddam monday
17:04 asciilifeform !up ascii_field
17:04 pete_dushenski it would just be the end of computing as we know it if anyone had 2 months, maybe even 2 years! to actually learn the ins and outs of a program
17:04 ascii_field pete_dushenski: why would you even consider running a downloaded binary
17:04 pete_dushenski trinque i'll look
17:05 ascii_field (notice, when i post binaries, they are not for running - certainly not on a computer... but for static analysis)
17:05 pete_dushenski ascii_field because i'm a sucker for punishment and i fail to see the alternative in this case
17:06 ascii_field what case
17:06 pete_dushenski where else does one obtain a web browser, or a photo editor ?
17:06 ascii_field for archaeological purposes ?
17:06 ascii_field from one's wot of course
17:06 pete_dushenski fair enough.
17:07 trinque gentoo's nice for this; you can just archive your distfiles folder
17:07 ascii_field pete_dushenski: what were you looking for? possibly i have it
17:07 kakobrekla hm, anyone ever used this 'exclamation mark' trick to specify the key with which to encrypt with before?
17:07 pete_dushenski dear wot : please to provide photo editor for mac os 10.6 or 10.8 (eg. pixelmator)
17:08 pete_dushenski ascii_field ^you have by chance ?
17:08 ascii_field intel ?
17:09 kakobrekla because, to me it doesnt seem to be working.
17:09 pete_dushenski ascii_field mhm
17:09 ascii_field then no
17:09 pete_dushenski ascii_field you have for ppc ?
17:09 ascii_field possibly
17:10 pete_dushenski if you have for ppc and macos 10.4, i'm interested
17:10 ascii_field 9.
17:10 pete_dushenski mkay well then the offer is open to any and all -other- in the wot
17:11 pete_dushenski 1 down... couple dozen to go.
17:11 pete_dushenski ascii_field but you're right. this is the sane approach
17:15 pete_dushenski BingoBoingo hyperlink to that article missed the 'a'
17:16 BingoBoingo fxd
17:16 shinohai http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-08-2015#1227963 <<< for some reason that set my mind a brewin'
17:16 assbot Logged on 06-08-2015 21:03:27; trinque: pete_dushenski: if you have good hashes of any old things, consider making a deed
17:16 pete_dushenski https://blogs.law.harvard.edu/philg/2015/08/06/how-much-do-we-love-windows-10/ << why phil, why ??
17:16 assbot Philip Greenspun's Weblog » How much do we love Windows 10? ... ( http://bit.ly/1DxuGPX )
17:17 pete_dushenski downloading binaries is nothing compared to downloading winbloze 10.
17:18 shinohai If all the world offered was Windows 10, I'd become the next Ted Kaczynski for sure.
17:20 davout ohai
17:20 ascii_field priceless moment: when you realize that 'sha512sum' and related utils on your box were all authored by... ulrich drepper
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17:21 pete_dushenski re: binaries vs. winbloze. this is perhaps like saying that sticking your dick in a blender is nothing like sticking your head in a shark's mouth.
17:22 pete_dushenski ascii_field that ol' coot ? hm.
17:22 pete_dushenski shinohai no see because ted could see a different world than the one he was offered.
17:23 shinohai I wasn't doubting his genius at all pete_dushenski
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17:23 pete_dushenski for sure.
17:24 shinohai If anyone can think outside the box ....
17:24 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36681 @ 0.00057266 = 21.0057 BTC [+] {3}
17:24 pete_dushenski what i'm saying is that if winbloze 10 is all there is, that's all there is.
17:24 BingoBoingo https://sourceware.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=10134
17:24 assbot 10134 – Ulrich Drepper is a fucking dictator asshole ... ( http://bit.ly/1K5U8sT )
17:24 pete_dushenski sorta like bitcoin, that's what there is.
17:25 BingoBoingo "Note that the status of the bug was changed from "RESOLVED INVALID" to "RESOLVED FIXED" in 2014-03-20. Probably because as well as I know Ulrich currently doesn't work in Red Hat and doesn't have any commit access. http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.comp.lib.glibc.alpha/19088"
17:25 assbot glibc steering committee dissolving ... ( http://bit.ly/1K5UcJ3 )
17:25 pete_dushenski shinohai within the context of your propostion, fighting against forces of nature makes little sense.
17:25 pete_dushenski of course, this isn't the os space we live in
17:25 shinohai Of course not, if you try yo will lose.
17:25 shinohai *you
17:25 davout http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-08-2015#1225684 <<< iirc trinque mentioned a versioning system that does signed commits properly, where you can extract a set of individually signed patches
17:25 assbot Logged on 05-08-2015 14:26:15; mircea_popescu: so : you wanna contribute, use this and that markup, then rest is done by itself.
17:25 pete_dushenski shinohai and i agree that we should be thankful for this
17:26 trinque davout: it was punkman re darcs I think
17:26 shinohai I do agree. The fact that there are finite boundaries is comforting to an extent
17:26 pete_dushenski but i'm off for a bit. laters !
17:26 ascii_field davout, trinque, et al: i will not be giving any automatic system access to my pgptron.
17:27 trinque I've never used darcs, have no opinion on it
17:27 trinque but I agree with that principle
17:27 davout ascii_field: if you could have a separate pgptron for checking sigs, and the ability to manually insert a signed patch into it?
17:28 ascii_field speaking of signing, rather than checking
17:28 ascii_field checking can be done on a keyless pgp
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17:28 davout yeah, that's the point
17:28 davout check fingerprints, trust keys, you can check
17:29 davout with some additional bash script that checks that each key is L1/L2
17:29 davout (for each commit that is)
17:29 mircea_popescu aga
17:29 mircea_popescu aha*
17:30 davout so basically the toolset reduces to:
17:30 davout 1. versioning system that works sanely (able to extract individually signed commits)
17:31 ascii_field already wrong formulation. why 'extract' when ~they are the canonical representation~
17:31 davout 2. validation script that checks that every single commit is signed by WoT-folks
17:32 davout 3. tiny script that spits out a properly formatted signed commit for inclusion in versioning tool
17:32 davout ascii_field: extract them all if you really insist on having a canonical representation you can frame and hang on your wall i guess
17:33 ascii_field davout: do you understand what 'canonical representation' means ?
17:33 davout the representation you prefer but is semantically equivalent to another representation ?
17:33 ascii_field it means that i will not look at nor will ask anyone else to look at any other representation
17:34 ascii_field can take mine, convert to yours, sure
17:34 trinque !up ascii_field
17:36 davout "please express any amounts in tonal bitcoin" is what comes to mind :-)
17:36 ascii_field ~can~ have other representations. but for engraving in stone, 'diff -uNr a b' plz.
17:36 trinque with the antecedent named, seems fine
17:36 trinque what I wanted was that tree data structure *somewhere*
17:36 ascii_field aha, working on that
17:39 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5746 @ 0.00057019 = 3.2763 BTC [-] {3}
17:40 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 52704 @ 0.00056634 = 29.8484 BTC [-] {2}
17:41 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18600 @ 0.00057267 = 10.6517 BTC [+]
17:41 davout as long as it's possible to have a tool to work on the patchset it essentially reduces to the same thing, which the only thing I personally care about
17:43 mircea_popescu the idea being that ml + antecedents <=> versioning system that works sanely.
17:45 davout roger ver delivers, again https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/3fw74a/roger_ver_on_twitter_lets_raise_the_block_size/cttakac
17:45 assbot MemoryDealers comments on Roger Ver on Twitter: "...Let's raise the block size limit." ... ( http://bit.ly/1K5W04U )
17:46 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32600 @ 0.00056316 = 18.359 BTC [-] {4}
17:46 mircea_popescu wow, this guy still exists!
17:47 mircea_popescu BingoBoingo "sued in court" kinda redundant neh ?
17:48 mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-08-2015#1227951 << ahahaha. was obviously getting in the way of UXability.
17:48 assbot Logged on 06-08-2015 20:57:37; pete_dushenski: after finding a discrepancy between the downloaded file (firefox 29) and the listed checksum two months ago, they responded by removing the checksums on all files !
17:49 BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: fxd
17:49 mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-08-2015#1227960 << don't forget http://thebestpageintheuniverse.net/c.cgi?u=dancing_man aka "throw parties for random fat people that didn't ask for a party". libertardism is not ALL negative you know, stop depicting it in a negative light you biased son of a hitler you!
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17:49 assbot Logged on 06-08-2015 21:02:17; pete_dushenski: then they wouldn't have time for mob media outrage and they'd miss out on the opportunity to put dentists out of work
17:49 assbot The Dancing Man and the cult of well-intentioned idiots. ... ( http://bit.ly/1K5WhVz )
17:51 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34985 @ 0.00057325 = 20.0552 BTC [+] {4}
17:54 mircea_popescu in somewhat udder news, http://36.media.tumblr.com/9b313a20245b4db1df823c322dc60d95/tumblr_np4xj0OQUc1tttg72o1_1280.jpg
17:54 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1K5WNml )
17:55 shinohai I wish I had some sort of job where I maintained a bot that archived great pr0n pics perpetually.
17:56 * shinohai with a secret proxy for India
17:56 trinque shinohai: stop wishing, and build your porno empire today!
17:57 mircea_popescu holy shit phillip greenspun actually runs windows 10 ?!
17:57 mircea_popescu this is the most mindblowing thing i heard this week.
18:00 mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-08-2015#1228001 << naw. hashalot is written by slusky.
18:00 assbot Logged on 06-08-2015 21:20:41; ascii_field: priceless moment: when you realize that 'sha512sum' and related utils on your box were all authored by... ulrich drepper
18:01 mircea_popescu http://www.paranoiacs.org/~sluskyb/hacks/hashalot/
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18:01 assbot 404 Not Found ... ( http://bit.ly/1K5Xufp )
18:02 mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-08-2015#1228005 << for the record i fail to see any genius. this might be just because i'm a dour old prune, so don't mind me.
18:02 assbot Logged on 06-08-2015 21:23:21; shinohai: I wasn't doubting his genius at all pete_dushenski
18:04 shinohai http://www.singularitysymposium.com/ted-kaczynski.html
18:04 assbot Ted Kaczynski and the Technological Singularity ... ( http://bit.ly/1K5XPPd )
18:05 shinohai Some of his stuff was truly out there, but I admire his abilities in maths.
18:05 mircea_popescu shinohai if you care to make a proposition i'll consider it, but otherwise what is this ? "At 25 Kaczynski became the youngest assistant professor ever to be hired by the University of California, Berkeley" ? i'm not in the demo.
18:06 mircea_popescu refresh me, what did he do ? (flatly honest question)
18:08 shinohai Well he understood laptrace transforms, which is more than I will ever know
18:08 shinohai I have always been interested in interpreting time into a frequency
18:09 mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-08-2015#1228030 << to expound on this for the log readership : it is not trivial but definitely feasible to cause any running implementation of asymmetric cryptography to leak key bits if it is possible to direct encrypted matter at it in an automatic fashion and have live access to the results somehow. this theoretical fact is practically verified for pgp, and there's no grounds
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18:09 assbot Logged on 06-08-2015 21:28:06; ascii_field: checking can be done on a keyless pgp
18:09 mircea_popescu to doubt it stands for any other. consequently, any system that automatically decrypts, or automatically signs, is a hole not a point of security.
18:09 kakobrekla what am i missing here? http://dpaste.com/0BMEYFB.txt
18:09 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1K5YkZK )
18:09 mircea_popescu nevertheless, if the system only contains public keys, then it can be safely used to verify signatures made by the respective private keys.
18:10 mircea_popescu kakobrekla the key is broken apparently ?
18:10 kakobrekla i doubt it
18:10 mircea_popescu i have nfi what this is.
18:10 kakobrekla certainly not a feature.
18:11 kakobrekla mebbe ascii knows something ?
18:11 kakobrekla !up ascii_field
18:11 mircea_popescu can we have a -v -v output since you got it all deployed ?
18:11 kakobrekla lets see
18:12 mircea_popescu fucking b-a, never a dull moment.
18:13 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 161200 @ 0.00055871 = 90.0641 BTC [-] {3}
18:13 kakobrekla i get fucking the same?
18:13 mircea_popescu uh
18:17 mircea_popescu no, the pubkey is broken
18:17 kakobrekla how is it broken?
18:18 kakobrekla hm
18:18 mircea_popescu well for one thing it doesn't hash to its fingerprint
18:18 punkman kakobrekla: why did you expect something different from the last command in that paste?
18:18 mircea_popescu we got a live cosmic ray event here or wtf.
18:19 mircea_popescu ;;later tell n6 : can you extract and publish your public key as it resides on your machine, as opposed to whatever's on sks servers.
18:19 gribble The operation succeeded.
18:20 kakobrekla punkman i hoped for 'gpg: encrypted with RSA key, ID 05D01131' or what
18:21 kakobrekla or maybe we are missing something with mp
18:21 kakobrekla pls do tell ?
18:21 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34034 @ 0.00057383 = 19.5297 BTC [+] {2}
18:23 kakobrekla mircea_popescu it doesnt seem to be broken key cause the thing doesnt work on other peoples keys as well
18:24 kakobrekla yeah lol we are noobs.
18:24 kakobrekla you cant encrypt with that.
18:25 punkman aha
18:25 kakobrekla what threw me off was yesterdays debate - what n6 really would want in his position is to get otp encrpyted with F9F5 A57C instead 3594 E367
18:26 kakobrekla however i am not sure this is possible.
18:27 punkman it's a special case indeed
18:27 kakobrekla perhaps he will be able to auth again after 2018-08-29
18:27 punkman n6 needs to re-arrange his keys
18:27 kakobrekla if the gpg falls back
18:28 kakobrekla to his non expiring kex
18:28 kakobrekla key
18:28 kakobrekla or add another working subkey ?
18:29 punkman https://10thirty.files.wordpress.com/2009/09/pierre-marcolini-avenue-louise.jpg in case you find yourself in Belgium
18:29 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1hmbBGO )
18:29 kakobrekla with even longer expiration date
~ 15 minutes ~
18:45 punkman for folks that might still be baffled: gpg creates a master sign-only key that is used to sign sub keys. when you encrypt something for the main fingerprint, gpg chooses an encryption subkey.
18:47 punkman (and yes RSA keys can do both, it's just a flag gpg sets on the keys)
18:48 kakobrekla and the decision on which subkey apparently depends on implementation, not on openpgp standard, from link earlier.
18:48 mircea_popescu o.O
18:49 mircea_popescu pub 4096R/2FB7B452 2011-07-22 <<
18:49 mircea_popescu my key is actually the main.
18:49 kakobrekla nein http://dpaste.com/381RF4D.txt
18:49 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1hmdPWD )
18:49 mircea_popescu !rate kakobrekla 1 hurr
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18:49 assbot Request successful, get your OTP: http://w.b-a.link/otp/e494b4bd9c67dd6c
18:50 mircea_popescu gpg: encrypted with 4096-bit RSA key, ID 16B8E32E, created 2011-07-22
18:50 mircea_popescu right you are
18:50 kakobrekla gpg: encrypted with RSA key, ID 16B8E32E
18:50 kakobrekla yea
18:50 mircea_popescu one day i'll actually have this entire shitshow in my head.
18:50 punkman gl hf
18:52 mircea_popescu anyway, yes, kakobrekla has it, we're noobs.
18:52 punkman and you don't have to carry your master private key around!
18:52 mircea_popescu ;;later tell n6 nevermind, figured it out in the end.
18:52 gribble The operation succeeded.
18:53 kakobrekla punkman i just dont leave house.
18:53 mircea_popescu to celebrate, trophy : http://36.media.tumblr.com/b620fdb41a72e999b92ef9f913c575dc/tumblr_mk2kc8JmVg1qf0ndvo1_1280.jpg
18:53 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1hme97A )
18:53 mircea_popescu and i can confirm, he doesn't.
18:53 shinohai http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-08-2015#1228144 < Hopefully I get rated one day with a "Hurr Durr Dippy Do" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sY_Yf4zz-yo
18:53 assbot Logged on 06-08-2015 22:49:53; mircea_popescu: !rate kakobrekla 1 hurr
18:53 assbot Swedish Chef - Meatballs - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1hmednT )
18:53 kakobrekla except for .. wait for it, need to upload.
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18:53 punkman kakobrekla: yeah but instead of doing everything on airgap laptop, you can do it on internet connected device
18:54 punkman revoke subkeys every now and then, nobody will notice
18:54 mircea_popescu ;;isup trilema.com
18:54 gribble trilema.com is up
18:54 mircea_popescu bah
18:54 mircea_popescu what can you rely on in this day and age
18:57 shinohai ^ truth
18:58 kakobrekla http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-08-2015#1228163 < http://smpake.com/slivnica.jpg.gpg
18:58 assbot Logged on 06-08-2015 22:53:46; kakobrekla: except for .. wait for it, need to upload.
18:58 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1hmew28 )
18:58 mircea_popescu in other news, i looked since curious nao, trilema grew 66.7536% yoy 2013/2014 and 53.1315% yoy 2014/2015. IT IS SLOWING DOWN!
18:59 mircea_popescu and yes, that's four ~significant~ digits there.
18:59 kakobrekla mircea_popescu jpg, postcard, from a couple of days ago.
18:59 mircea_popescu cool!
18:59 mircea_popescu i went to tigre. it sucked.
19:00 mircea_popescu "oh come to see our great casino". it was not even up to mall code.
19:00 mircea_popescu was expectiong either jay or silent bob at any turn
19:01 * mircea_popescu disfirms. kakobrekla does in fact leave house.
19:01 kakobrekla on a good occasion.
19:01 mircea_popescu (to confirm, originalyl, meant to sign, like we do with the patches.)
19:02 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14100 @ 0.00057384 = 8.0911 BTC [+]
19:17 decimation I asked one of my coworkers if I was dour, he confirmed it was the case.
19:18 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15682 @ 0.00055696 = 8.7342 BTC [-] {3}
19:19 shinohai Being dour is fun decimation
19:24 asciilifeform !up ascii_field
19:24 ascii_field achtung, panzers!
19:24 ascii_field diff -uNr a b | awk 'm = /^(---|\+\+\+)/{"sha512sum \"" $2 "\"" | getline x; split(x, a, " "); print $0 " " a[1]} !m { print $0 }'
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19:24 ascii_field gives the desired behaviour.
19:24 scoopbot_revived MPIF (F.MPIF) July 2015 Statement http://trilema.com/2015/mpif-fmpif-july-2015-statement/
19:24 ascii_field ^^^ mircea_popescu ^^^
19:25 ascii_field ~verifying~ left - for now - to the alert reader.
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19:26 ascii_field this recipe produces a diff usable by 'patch' ~containing antecents~ and ~postcondition~ !!!
19:26 ascii_field requires standard gnu awk.
19:26 ascii_field replace 'sha512sum' with any checksum util.
19:27 ascii_field http://dpaste.com/05M62XK << example output
19:27 assbot dpaste: 05M62XK ... ( http://bit.ly/1P9mnew )
19:28 ascii_field mircea_popesc ^
19:28 ascii_field mircea_popescu ^
19:29 jurov interesting, i was suddenly disconnected "for excess flooding"
19:29 jurov while inactive
19:35 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20550 @ 0.00056133 = 11.5353 BTC [+] {3}
19:43 pete_dushenski !up n6
19:44 n6 I'm at the end of http://thebitcoin.foundation/gentoo-stage3-amd64-nomultilib-guide.txt but I put the wrong line for GRUB_PLATFORMS="pc" put GRUB_PLATFORM="pc" so now its telliing me grub2-install: error: /usr/lib/grub/x86_64-efi/modinfo.sh doesn't exist. Please specify --target or --directory. how can I fix this?
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19:44 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1TXqHAl )
19:44 n6 grub2-install /dev/sda is giving me that
19:45 n6 I fixed it in the make file and redid steps after but still giving me that
19:46 kakobrekla 'make clean' perhaps ?
19:46 * kakobrekla nfi
19:47 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30500 @ 0.00056441 = 17.2145 BTC [+] {3}
19:47 n6 mean the /etc/portage/make.conf is where i messed up
19:48 n6 done all the steps after but still wont let me leave
19:48 danielpbarron n6 mount your boot partition from a not borked install
19:48 n6 this is the only install I have.
19:49 danielpbarron can be the "live" "cd"
19:49 danielpbarron flash drive with iso or whatever
19:49 kakobrekla ah
19:49 n6 How?
19:49 danielpbarron or perhaps i mistunderstood where you're stuck at, maybe you are still in this live environment
19:50 n6 Yes still in the live environment.
19:51 n6 Do I need to start over?
19:52 danielpbarron i'd at least go back to where you know you messed up
19:52 n6 I have done that, and still isn't working.
19:52 * kakobrekla thought you were at building the turd
19:53 n6 No I fucked it up went back tried again
19:53 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37700 @ 0.0005566 = 20.9838 BTC [-] {3}
19:54 n6 I built the turd to see if it might work, but it still wont let me grub anything.
19:54 n6 I did a genkernel all to see if that would fix it (next step) still nothing.
19:56 danielpbarron i also was not able to get grub2 to work when i installed gentoo
19:56 danielpbarron but i did not use that guide
19:57 jurov tried to re-merge grub?
19:57 jurov the GRUB_PLATFORMS looks like compile-time setting
19:57 n6 no, this is my first time installing gentoo, how?
19:57 jurov emerge grub
19:57 jurov ^just that
19:59 n6 still giving me the error
20:00 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18100 @ 0.0005566 = 10.0745 BTC [-]
20:01 n6 How do I boot without grub?
20:01 BingoBoingo http://harmful.cat-v.org/society/sweden
20:01 assbot The Swedish dream ... ( http://bit.ly/1MdDOfL )
20:01 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 58900 @ 0.0005728 = 33.7379 BTC [+] {5}
20:04 danielpbarron i ended up using regular grub
20:05 n6 What is regular grub?
20:06 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 102450 @ 0.00057445 = 58.8524 BTC [+] {4}
20:10 danielpbarron as opposed to grub2
20:10 danielpbarron don't mind me, you should probably just start over
20:11 n6 yea seems that way
20:12 trinque n6: rebuild grub
20:12 trinque emerge grub
20:13 n6 I did that didn't work starting over right now..
20:13 trinque the flag in make.conf was concerning which of several modules would be built
20:13 trinque alright
20:17 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17170 @ 0.00057513 = 9.875 BTC [+] {2}
20:24 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33295 @ 0.0005566 = 18.532 BTC [-]
20:29 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: see also https://web.archive.org/web/20130516060430/http://www.thelocal.se/7305/
20:29 assbot Who pays for Sweden's free lunch? - The Local ... ( http://bit.ly/1MdHL48 )
20:29 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 45800 @ 0.00057532 = 26.3497 BTC [+] {3}
20:32 pete_dushenski http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-08-2015#1228066 << me ? son of a hitler ? lol just wait until you see what scoopy's bringin in here
20:32 assbot Logged on 06-08-2015 21:49:46; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-08-2015#1227960 << don't forget http://thebestpageintheuniverse.net/c.cgi?u=dancing_man aka "throw parties for random fat people that didn't ask for a party". libertardism is not ALL negative you know, stop depicting it in a negative light you biased son of a hitler you!
20:32 asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-08-2015#1228206 << 'grub2' is satanic. use grub or - best of all - lilo
20:32 assbot Logged on 06-08-2015 23:44:17; n6: I'm at the end of http://thebitcoin.foundation/gentoo-stage3-amd64-nomultilib-guide.txt but I put the wrong line for GRUB_PLATFORMS="pc" put GRUB_PLATFORM="pc" so now its telliing me grub2-install: error: /usr/lib/grub/x86_64-efi/modinfo.sh doesn't exist. Please specify --target or --directory. how can I fix this?
20:34 trinque pete_dushenski: bahahaha
20:34 scoopbot_revived La Serenissima fender flags: a modest proposal http://www.contravex.com/2015/08/06/la-serenissima-fender-flags-a-modest-proposal/
20:35 pete_dushenski trinque :D
20:35 trinque calling all artists in la serenissima
20:36 pete_dushenski it's hard enough to get people to test therealbitcoin, i'm not holding my breath that anyone will rise to the challenge here
20:37 asciilifeform !up n6
20:37 trinque I will admit to having drooled over the propaganda art of several such now-dead WoTs
20:37 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 79440 @ 0.00057611 = 45.7662 BTC [+] {3}
20:37 BingoBoingo pete_dushenski: Replace eagle with Buttcoin miner
20:38 asciilifeform 'But whether the Eagles obey us, Or we go to the Ravens--alone, I'd sooner be Lalage's lover Than sit on an Emperor's throne!'
20:38 pete_dushenski what's that look like again ?
20:39 asciilifeform (tm) (r) (kipling)
20:39 asciilifeform ( http://www.poetryloverspage.com/poets/kipling/rimini.html )
20:39 assbot Poetry Lovers' Page - Rudyard Kipling: "Rimini" ... ( http://bit.ly/1MdJsOU )
20:42 pete_dushenski the throne chooses you anyways, not like soldier has a choice in the matter
20:42 n6 Now when i'm trying to boot from the usb it gets me to 2nd loading green just has red and yellow dots, and seems to stall
20:42 n6 I have made a mess of this gentoo thing.
20:43 danielpbarron slower is faster
20:43 BingoBoingo n6: Maybe choose a different source based distro? http://morpheus.2f30.org/
20:43 assbot Project - Morpheus Linux ... ( http://bit.ly/1fIYcHs )
20:44 n6 um, think it has to be gentoo here.
20:45 mircea_popescu asciilifeform nb
20:48 mircea_popescu pete_dushenski haha but why the eagle
20:48 BingoBoingo n6: If you want to follow the already trodden path set out by that guide sure? Why not let your freak flag fly?
20:48 ben_vulpes asciilifeform: i crapped out a 1.25 gig tcpdump :(
20:49 asciilifeform ben_vulpes: what's next, a five litre blood sample ?
20:49 ben_vulpes *sigh*
20:49 n6 Don't I need to learn basics before letting freak flag fly?
20:49 asciilifeform a 100kg stool sample ?
20:49 ben_vulpes hey man i shit big
20:49 mircea_popescu shit check that out, alf's quite the poetic library
20:49 asciilifeform lolwat
20:49 asciilifeform is there any english speaker alive who doesn't remember that one
20:50 pete_dushenski mircea_popescu to quote two footnotes...
20:50 pete_dushenski "This is clearly meant to be a derogatory term here despite wealth and prominent position being sine qua non for any sort of meaningful cultural perspective and despite the baseless implication that the world can be more accurately described from the worm’s perspective than the eagle’s."
20:50 pete_dushenski "People working with you when you're a benevolent dictator loved and admired by all don't rebel because they like working with you. Not because they can't. They have to be able to, otherwise they're just as much dead weight, a set of paraplegic "sidekicks" in wheelchairs you have to push around. Incredible how distorted the ant's perception of the eagle's dare is"
20:50 mircea_popescu <n6> I have made a mess of this gentoo thing. << dun worry, you;re not the first one
20:50 pete_dushenski eagles on the mind, it seems.
20:50 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36900 @ 0.00057561 = 21.24 BTC [-] {3}
20:50 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: i realized while sitting in car that the awk doesn't handle formation of new files, or removal. will post tweaked version later.
20:50 asciilifeform for now, can use this
20:50 mircea_popescu asciilifeform yes. all of them.
20:50 asciilifeform format will not change
20:51 asciilifeform ever.
20:51 mircea_popescu i suspect only russian speakers remember english literature now.
20:51 asciilifeform l0l!!
20:51 BingoBoingo <n6> Don't I need to learn basics before letting freak flag fly? << Hard to get more basic than Morpheus linux
20:51 pete_dushenski mircea_popescu btw that second footnote... is yours.
20:52 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: actually ~working with~ a linux without any package system whatsoever, is not entirely honestly describable as 'basic'
20:52 pete_dushenski first is mine.
20:52 mircea_popescu how you mean ?
20:52 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: because if not for this, 'buildroot' is your linux.
20:52 ben_vulpes http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=01-08-2015#1220453 << is this still the case?
20:52 assbot Logged on 01-08-2015 05:27:46; asciilifeform: 'dulap' and 'zoolag' now running 80000.
20:52 asciilifeform no
20:52 ben_vulpes mk
20:52 asciilifeform see log.
20:52 BingoBoingo asciilifeform: Everything about 'basic' depends on to which facet of the thing 'basic' is aimed at
20:53 BingoBoingo <asciilifeform> BingoBoingo: because if not for this, 'buildroot' is your linux. << Maybe.
20:53 ben_vulpes hm i can't find the dulap dns record in search.bitcoin-assets.com
20:54 asciilifeform https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6gYvS8L0nDY << kipling's rimini, sung, even
20:54 assbot Leslie Fish-Rimini - Kipling - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1UrxP8u )
20:54 asciilifeform (pretty famous)
20:54 mircea_popescu "There aren't a lot of smart people in bitcoinland... I have a feeling Bitcoin Pete isn't one either, but is regurgitating things other smart people are saying in his blogs. A beneficial service I guess
20:54 mircea_popescu ~Rassah"
20:54 mircea_popescu lol!
20:54 ben_vulpes aha, dulap.b-a.link
20:54 mircea_popescu for the record, lalage may be the worst female name ever.
20:54 mircea_popescu even lola looks better.
20:54 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: iirc it wasn't a name
20:55 mircea_popescu yes it was ?
20:55 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: but meant something like 'loudmouth'
20:55 asciilifeform nickname
20:55 mircea_popescu well sure, in greek
20:55 pete_dushenski !gettrust rassah
20:55 assbot Trust relationship from user pete_dushenski to user rassah: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 1 via 3 connections. |http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/trust/?from=pete_dushenski&to=rassah | http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/user/rassah/
20:55 mircea_popescu by the time the latins got to it... ovid had a poem
20:55 mircea_popescu no nm, horace had a poem, about some chick lalalage.
20:56 asciilifeform ben_vulpes: aka nosuchlabs.com
20:57 mircea_popescu asciilifeform incidentally, i re-saw der untergang today.
20:57 mircea_popescu that film's actually quite good.
20:58 asciilifeform das war ein Befehl!
20:58 pete_dushenski http://www.minichamps.co.it/SIGNATURE/Mercedes_770_K_Pullman_1938.jpg << for anyone wondering what 'fender flags' are, see red pieces here
20:58 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1MdMbIi )
20:58 * BingoBoingo replaces ferrocerium in firebox
20:59 mircea_popescu i think wiedling is my favourite character in the entire fucking story.
20:59 mircea_popescu that thing when his adjutant saves him from impact and he pats the guy on the shoulder and spits...
20:59 mircea_popescu the definitive scene of war.
21:02 pete_dushenski et... je depart encore une fois. ciao !
21:04 BingoBoingo email http://www.ex-parrot.com/pdw/Mail-RFC822-Address.html
21:04 assbot Mail::RFC822::Address ... ( http://bit.ly/1MdN5oc )
21:05 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24600 @ 0.00057749 = 14.2063 BTC [+] {3}
21:08 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: would be lulzy if it bufferdiddles
21:08 BingoBoingo I am perl illiterate
21:08 BingoBoingo But, would be lulzy indeed
21:10 asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-08-2015#1228079 << iirc it won't hash binaries
21:10 assbot Logged on 06-08-2015 22:01:29; mircea_popescu: http://www.paranoiacs.org/~sluskyb/hacks/hashalot/
21:10 asciilifeform only printables!
21:11 asciilifeform on stdin.
21:25 mats association with mp and b-a is difficult enough as it is, plz no nazi logos
21:32 BingoBoingo !up n6
21:35 BingoBoingo n6: For educational purposes only http://harmful.cat-v.org/software/operating-systems/os-suck
21:35 assbot Canonical list of operating systems that suck ... ( http://bit.ly/1Iu7HST )
21:37 mircea_popescu o.O
21:42 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 64113 @ 0.00057885 = 37.1118 BTC [+] {3}
21:46 BingoBoingo "I may be biased, but I tend to find a much lower tendency among female programmers to be dishonest about their skills, and thus do not say they know C++ when they are smart enough to realize that that would be a lie for all but perhaps 5 people on this planet. – Erik Naggum"
21:48 trinque oh yeah? go to the portland django girls meetup and ask them how many of them are programmers
21:48 BingoBoingo Related http://yosefk.com/c++fqa/
21:48 assbot C++ Frequently Questioned Answers ... ( http://bit.ly/1M9fwC1 )
21:49 BingoBoingo trinque: One of these days Imma make my own blog platform. Like wordpress but less shitty. Give it 20 years
21:49 trinque haha
21:50 trinque make it a static site generator and you win
21:50 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21300 @ 0.00056554 = 12.046 BTC [-]
21:52 BingoBoingo trinque: For that werc seems fine. Almsot entirely static site plus comment form is the challenge
21:52 BingoBoingo And spam filter
21:53 trinque interesting, rc is the plan9 shell right?
21:53 trinque looks so
21:53 trinque how's that thing?
21:55 BingoBoingo I'm not sure rc is jsut the plan9 shell. On Openbsd I see those two letter attached to all kinds of scripts and Openrc is apparently best Gentoo init.
21:56 trinque http://werc.cat-v.org/ << actually looks like it does use the rc shell
21:56 assbot werc - A sane web anti-framework ... ( http://bit.ly/1IubEH5 )
21:56 trinque though yup, you see that around elsewhere too
21:56 trinque "run control" maybe?
21:56 trinque in the case of the init systems
21:56 BingoBoingo Maybe? Also a lot of stuff just works on a lot of shells
21:57 trinque https://docs.oracle.com/cd/E19455-01/805-7228/6j6q7uepi/index.html << looks like that's a usage of rc
21:57 assbot Run Control Scripts (System Administration Guide, Volume 1) ... ( http://bit.ly/1IubQWT )
21:58 BingoBoingo I guess plan9 shell could be named rc the same way apache, nginx, and 500 other things are named rc
21:58 BingoBoingo *httpd
21:58 trinque could be it used to have a firm meaning then squished into "uh I dunno man, some shell script like thing"
21:58 trinque happens all the time
21:59 BingoBoingo trinque: Think I found it http://harmful.cat-v.org/software/csh
21:59 assbot Csh Programming Considered Harmful ... ( http://bit.ly/1Iucdk8 )
21:59 BingoBoingo plan9 rc is just plan9 rc
~ 15 minutes ~
22:15 BingoBoingo The curse set upon us by Bell Labs is wildly different things running as the same names all because on some superficial level the function they try to do is "the same"
22:15 BingoBoingo !up n6
22:15 n6 Seems to be failing in the same spot again this time with everything done right.
22:15 BingoBoingo Build something else?
22:16 n6 Yes lilo but not sure how to set it up to replace grub in this spot
22:16 n6 asciilifeform: could you help me?
22:16 asciilifeform n6: whatcha doing
22:16 n6 I need to use lilo in place of grub here http://thebitcoin.foundation/gentoo-stage3-amd64-uclibc-hardened-guide-wFullExamples.txt
22:16 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1IufjEU )
22:17 n6 I just emerged it
22:17 trinque n6: mang don't use lilo
22:17 trinque what computer are you on
22:17 n6 amd64 desktop
22:17 trinque lilo you're gonna have to run each time you change the kernel or end up unbootable
22:17 asciilifeform n6: https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/LILO << cookbook
22:17 assbot LILO - Gentoo Wiki ... ( http://bit.ly/1Iufxfd )
22:17 trinque n6: what's the snag?
22:17 asciilifeform trinque: and grub you also reconfigure each time you change the kernel
22:17 n6 I think its this version of gentoo its the same error as last time this time with all spelling right
22:18 trinque asciilifeform: nah symlink for current kernel
22:18 trinque doesn't lilo need to eat the kernel each time?
22:18 asciilifeform trinque swaps kernels daily ?
22:18 trinque no
22:18 trinque yet fuck having to get a boot disk
22:18 asciilifeform what boot disk
22:18 asciilifeform run from live machine
22:18 trinque the fail mode of lilo is worse than the fail mode of grub
22:19 asciilifeform why should it fail
22:19 asciilifeform grub2 is an atrocity
22:19 asciilifeform what, 5x the size of therealbitcoin ?
22:19 trinque what's wrong with grub 0.9.whatever
22:19 asciilifeform with own vga drivers, even
22:19 trinque sure sure
22:19 asciilifeform and miniature 32-bit os
22:20 asciilifeform and font renderer
22:20 trinque no argument here
22:20 asciilifeform FUCKING TRUETYPE
22:20 asciilifeform diediedie
22:20 decimation grub struck me as being about 50x more complex than it needed to be
22:20 asciilifeform decimation: try grub2 !
22:20 trinque asciilifeform: ah derp I forgot the guide uses grub2
22:20 decimation yeah, even worse
22:21 asciilifeform a true victory of who mircea_popescu called 'UXers' if ever there was one.
22:21 BingoBoingo http://git.suckless.org/sinit
22:21 assbot sinit - suckless init ... ( http://bit.ly/1IugfZZ )
22:21 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: this has docs somewhere ?
22:21 BingoBoingo Doesn grub even fit onto a boot sector
22:21 asciilifeform or is one expected to read the code
22:22 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: what do you think
22:23 BingoBoingo http://core.suckless.org/sinit and just maybe on deviant storage devices?
22:23 assbot sinit - suckless init | suckless.org core - userspace foundation ... ( http://bit.ly/1IugO5W )
22:24 BingoBoingo Also https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=MTU5NTI
22:24 assbot Another Init System: Sinit - The Suckless Init System - Phoronix ... ( http://bit.ly/1Iuh4lo )
22:24 BingoBoingo This init system is indeed very simple: "sinit exposes a set of operations via a FIFO. Normally this FIFO resides at '/var/run/sinit.fifo'. There are two commands currently supported, 'reboot' and 'poweroff'."
22:26 n6 asciilifeform: Still don't understand, lots of the stuff in this conf I don't know, yet
22:26 asciilifeform gotta start somewhere
22:26 n6 Feel like it might really hurt to fail another time.
22:26 asciilifeform take a break
22:26 asciilifeform not everyone has to do everything.
22:27 trinque failure is also good for you
22:27 trinque and is unavoidable when dealing with computers
22:28 n6 asciilifeform: How do I even find out what kernel i'm running to put into the config?
22:29 asciilifeform ls -l /boot
22:29 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 91650 @ 0.00057904 = 53.069 BTC [+] {3}
22:29 asciilifeform (may have to mount /boot first
22:29 asciilifeform )
22:36 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 56600 @ 0.00056894 = 32.202 BTC [-] {2}
22:40 n6 All i get for ls -l /boot is drwx------ 2 root root 12288 Aug 6 18:32 lost+found
22:41 n6 maybe its not mounted.
22:42 n6 telling me "/dev/sda1 is already mounted on /mnt/gentoo/boot" but see nothing but lost+found
22:44 n6 Oh i must genkernel all first sorry.
22:45 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 249622 @ 0.00058141 = 145.1327 BTC [+] {9}
22:47 BingoBoingo !up n6
22:50 BingoBoingo http://harmful.cat-v.org/software/xml/xml_ascent.png
22:50 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1Dy0HY7 )
22:50 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33123 @ 0.00056531 = 18.7248 BTC [-] {3}
22:54 BingoBoingo http://harmful.cat-v.org/software/xml/s-exp_vs_XML
22:54 assbot S-exp vs XML, by Erik Naggum ... ( http://bit.ly/1Dy1dp3 )
22:59 BingoBoingo Also apparently WaPo wants the person who killed HP to kill USia http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/2015/08/06/carly_fiorina_the_former_hewlett_packard_ceo_won_the_kids_table_debate.html
22:59 assbot Carly Fiorina: The former Hewlett Packard CEO won the kids' table debate. ... ( http://bit.ly/1NdDk6s )
23:01 BingoBoingo USia is fucked... Ted Cruz: "Let me contrast President Obama, who at the prayer breakfast essentially acted as an apologist. He said well gosh the crusades, the inquisitions ... We need a president that shows the courage that Egypt’s President al-Sissi did—a Muslim—when he called out the radical Islamic terrorists who are threatening the world."
23:04 BingoBoingo Now USia isn't fucked because a candidate for executive and sitting senator said that. It is fucked because of all US lab states abroad Egypt seems the most appropriate to appeal to the crowds?
23:06 BingoBoingo Trump just might end up the Grand Ole Party's nominee.
23:07 decimation I'm pretty sure he's working for clitler
23:07 BingoBoingo decimation: He is now, but if he gets the nomination...
23:07 BingoBoingo Clitler might surrender to combover
23:08 decimation lol
23:09 BingoBoingo Now I might be drunk, but it seems like the "news" business wants a Carly v. Trump GOP primary
23:10 * BingoBoingo pretty sure on the off chance he got the nomination Graham would come out of the closet to steal Clitler votes
23:10 decimation they want whoever will be the best circus clown for the democrats to hate upon
23:11 BingoBoingo decimation: Maybe? Generally they hope a democrat wins, but this is where they news channels make their money for the next four years.
23:11 BingoBoingo They want drama(period)
23:14 n6 Getting End kernal panic not a syncing vfs unable to mount root fs on known-blog check
23:14 n6 asciilifeform: sorry to keep bugging you but any ideas?
23:14 * asciilifeform is reading Лизюков А.И. Что надо знать воину Красной Армии о боевых приемах немцев. -М.: Воениздат НКО СССР, 1942 -- and soon to bed
23:14 BingoBoingo Clitler v. Combover would be a battle of $140mil+graft vs. $980mil+differentgraft
23:15 BingoBoingo n6: Practice on different *nic first. Install OpenBSD upgrade to stable. May have to patch bitcoind, but learn building from source in very documented way.
23:15 decimation I don't get the lefty case for clitler
23:16 BingoBoingo There isn't one.
23:17 BingoBoingo A true SJW would want Bernie Sanders to go "Jenner"
23:17 decimation yeah, that I get
23:17 decimation but clitler would immediately sell out to the highest bidder, doesn't even really pretend otherwise
23:17 * BingoBoingo expects "Jenner" to get verb'd soon
23:18 BingoBoingo decimation: But that marketing.
23:18 BingoBoingo !up n6
23:19 BingoBoingo "kinder" Gawker Media on the day of first GOP debate https://archive.is/Qho1W
23:19 assbot Someone Actually Played Through All of Fallout 3 As A Baby ... ( http://bit.ly/1NdEDCf )
23:21 n6 seems LILO is not stopping me from botting from USB
23:21 n6 Has to be gentoo sadly
23:21 * BingoBoingo did not know would have been news. Already did that. If knew was news would have blogged it for the traffic.
23:24 BingoBoingo Guess Gawker Media's special guest for their debate live blawg (hint: it was Obummer's lapdog Glenn Greenwald, citizen$maxint)
23:25 decimation greenwald is a 'frenemy' of the democrats
23:25 decimation I'm sure he enrages the bureaucrats that nominally work for obama
23:25 decimation but he can't be disrespected without costing popular vote
23:26 BingoBoingo I'm just amazed Omidyar cultured such true believers that his core would leave him to volunteer for Nick Denton
23:26 BingoBoingo http://qntra.net/2015/01/pierre-omidyar-also-started-a-qntra-back-in-october-his-failed/
23:26 assbot Pierre Omidyar also started a Qntra back in October. His failed. | Qntra ... ( http://bit.ly/1KUts4e )
23:28 * BingoBoingo amazed Caity Weaver had the integrity to leave Gawker and Gawker lacked the fortitude to drop Sam Biddle
23:28 BingoBoingo "am Biddle
23:28 BingoBoingo 9:54 PM
23:28 BingoBoingo Glenn if I see you tweeting any more good jokes instead of putting them here you will forfeit the iTunes gift card you were promised for this liveblog appearance"
23:29 BingoBoingo ^ Incredilol
23:32 BingoBoingo I actually though am not inclined to blame Trump for his current place in USian electoral politics. Sometimes my nonegenarian Grandpa wants the yard cut short Friday so it looks good over the weekend. Other weeks, he tries to talk me into tilling the yard because the $10 of wheat he might grow in a year would be one appointment's copay at the audiologist.
23:34 BingoBoingo The democratic primary debates will surely be a bigger farce though, mostly because to my knowledge none have been scheduled
23:36 BingoBoingo Butt between Pareene and Greenwald abandoning Omidyar's pet for Gawker we must be able to imply where CIA favors.
23:39 BingoBoingo DNS is fucked. Apparently the following link works for some mongoloids http://gawker.com|gawker.com/
23:50 BingoBoingo !up n6
23:50 n6 Hoping 3rd time is the charm
23:50 n6 might try openBSD after this..
23:52 BingoBoingo n6: If open BSD best learning opportunity is installing "release" and then building "stable"
23:53 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 43950 @ 0.00058434 = 25.6817 BTC [+] {5}
23:55 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 44700 @ 0.00058517 = 26.1571 BTC [+]
23:57 asciilifeform http://www.koreatimes.co.kr/www/news/nation/2009/12/120_56715.html << vintage lulz
23:57 assbot Japan Tested Atomic Bomb in NK Before End of WWII? ... ( http://bit.ly/1K6m7bQ )
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