#trilema | 2015-04-07

!up Vexual

00:01

i do not know the payload yet.

00:01

but srsly wtf

00:02

and why did it have to be so obvious.

00:02

in yet another shade of lulz : berkshire does not offer its many directors dso. because buffett believes you know, officers should face the music like any other shareholder. except it does offer it to buffett. because...

00:03

dso?

00:03

insurance for being on a public corp board.

00:04

d&0 not dso.

00:06

what does it insure against ?

00:06

any liability that may attach to one from his being a director or officer.

00:06

iirc it is not permissible in usa to insure against criminal prosecution

00:06

at least, not directly

00:07

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asciilifeform ianal

00:07

this'd be for civil not for criminal matter.

00:07

aha.

00:07

asciilifeform: http://community.ubnt.com/t5/EdgeMAX/Lost-password/td-p/490573 > "Creating 3 MTD partitions on "phys_mapped_flash": 0x000000000000-0x000000080000 : "boot0" 0x000000080000-0x000000100000 : "boot1" 0x000000300000-0x000000310000 : "eeprom""

00:07

Lost password? - Ubiquiti Networks Community ... ( http://bit.ly/1GGgS4k )

00:08

in other news, http://proudtobeafilthyslut.tumblr.com/post/107315640663/dirtiestdepravedfilth-happy-new-year

00:08

Self-Proclaimed slut | dirtiestdepravedfilth: Happy new year! ... ( http://bit.ly/1GGh7fR )

00:08

asciilifeform how can you tell that cryptome pdf is laced ?

00:09

pete_dushenski: buggy

00:09

hmm

00:09

pete_dushenski: in that it demands to be viewed on genuine winblows crapobat

00:09

explicitlu.

00:10

that's pretty fucked

00:10

decimation: eeprom !?!

00:10

here, jewintro, rub the front and the back of your hands. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bVP_w1rQweE

00:10

incidentally....

00:11

mircea_popescu so i finally mod'd your fix_trackbacks.php, uploaded it, and... it doesn't even show up. now i'm supposed to call customer support or some shit

00:11

http://hilo90mhz.com/ubiquiti-edgerouter-lite-erlite-3-internal-usb-storage-fail << phison !!!

00:11

Ubiquiti EdgeRouter Lite ERLite-3 – Internal USB Storage Failure | hilo90mhz ... ( http://bit.ly/1GGhG9q )

00:11

don't throw it out!

00:11

pete_dushenski lulwat.

00:11

phisons are rare, precious

00:11

(or soon to be.)

00:11

asciilifeform: yeah, it does appear to contain something specific to their hardware

00:12

in the airOs mtd2 is labeled 'kernel'

00:12

but as we already established, the kernel is in the usb key

00:12

here i remember when that kid rode in on a tricycle

00:12

joecool

phison, now that's a name i haven't heard in awhile

00:12

!s phison

00:12

3 results for 'phison' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=phison

00:12

srsly?

00:12

joecool

my ancient eeepc 901 had phison ssd's in it, first ssd's i ever had

00:13

mircea_popescu http://contravex.com/fix_trackbacks.php << my understanding is that this should yield errors if it doesn't work, but it's blank as a freshly painted wall.

00:13

joecool: phison is a maker of cheap usb keychain drives that contain general-purpose micros. an ad hoc sdk was published recently. i had something quite like it, unpublished, in 2012; and hell knows how many other folks also did

00:14

pete_dushenski didja set up your db pw etc in there ?

00:14

you can convert the thing into a disk that perverts blocks in a particular way, or emulates a keyboard and types in obscenities, etc, etc.

00:15

mircea_popescu i did indeed, though you're right that i should fiddle with those values because there's a reasonable chance i got them wrong!

00:17

mircea_popescu btw should "table_prefix" be set to "wp_comments" or similar ?

00:17

mmm

00:18

i think the structure's copied after wp-config or /we the file is called where wp keeps its password in plaintext.

00:18

so w/e you got there.

00:19

of interest in the 'macrofab' podcast: apparently they load the pick n' place with house parts only, and all the other 'unique' chips for each design are hand-placed

00:19

they do all the assembly in houston, but currently contract pcb out

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but they are looking into in-house pcb for 24-hour turnaround assembly!

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decimation: their 'hand-placed' probably involves a mechanically-cranked apparatus. or someone with much better hands than i

00:20

I suspect they pay good rates for competent techs

00:21

they are 'angel funded' but I think he said they can turn a profit at current prices

00:21

who, one might wonder, do they use? chinese gurlz flown in for the occasion ?

00:21

mircea_popescu ok, i'll keep crackin'

00:21

or simply the fact of the p&p machine being loaded by hand from clips instead of magazine ?

00:21

asciilifeform: I suspect retired old women who worked in electronics assembly

00:22

at any rate, this is not 'woodcollector' and i don't much give a hoot -how- the parts get on the board

00:22

so long as they - do..

00:22

he said they use trays with mixed chips

00:22

decimation: trays are typically for items above soic16 or so in size

00:22

at all small houses

00:22

mircea_popescu and thx for the tech support :)

00:23

they found all of their machines used at auction

00:23

i have trouble believing they put 0805 resistors on by hand, ever

00:23

because, elementarily, there is no reason to, if you have the machine.

00:23

no, he said those would go on p&p

00:23

they go down to 0402 on the p&p

00:23

decimation: but if not 'house part' ?

00:23

well, if in large quantity, in p&p, otherwise by hand

00:23

virtually none of my items were 'house'

00:24

I suspect mostly hand placed

00:24

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36800 @ 0.00028957 = 10.6562 BTC [-]

00:24

if so - someone has excellent hands and ought to be earning a living horseshoeing fleas for a flea circus or the like.

00:24

heh there are such folks

00:24

apparently houston has 30 assembly houses

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so there's probably a quantity of skilled labor

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surgeons once did (still do?) have the habit of tying knots in fishing line inside a matchbox, every day

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(very short piece of line)

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decimation: most 'assembly houses' do nothing remotely like placing any quantity whatsoever of 0402 by hand

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for any amount of money

00:27

asciilifeform: they probably use something like http://www.ddmnovastar.com/pick-and-place/manual-systems/mpp-21-pick-and-place-system

00:27

Manual Pick and Place Machine, Low Cost SMT System, Model MPP-21 DDM Novastar ... ( http://bit.ly/1GGlw2k )

00:27

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asciilifeform almost bought this item once

00:27

i'll let herr woodcollector decide if this counts as 'by hand'.

00:28

heh

00:28

well, with that I must retire, good evening

00:28

!down decimation

00:28

poor fuck is prolly suicide oney on aussie dollar

00:29

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Vexual says no rate cut

00:29

its monyly oney

00:30

wut

00:30

well the rba is going to say in less than aminute whether or not they change the interest rate

00:31

it will have an effect on foreign exchange markets

00:31

and.. the market was wrong

00:32

!up Vexual

00:35

<decimation> heh there are such folks << yeah, ever since surgery moved to computers.

00:35

who gives a shit about the aussie dollar now anyway

00:35

most of them unemployed

00:46

why can't i trade sundried tomatoe futures? its supposed to be the fooking future

00:47

!s hotsauce

00:47

3 results for 'hotsauce' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=hotsauce

00:48

cute

00:52

there an article in the afr about fast algos on treasury bonds, and its wanting

00:53

let me find the name

00:53

prolly "staff writer"

00:54

nope i think someone stole the tech pages

00:55

here it is,; shapiro

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fEjw-OkMv3w

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and page 16 is trolli

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choke on your cherry kid, you dont get it

01:00

tell the editor you want the article on one page, otherwise it editorial

01:06

!up Vexual

01:09

!up liquidassets

01:12

like how do these unnamed organisations do what theyre doing

01:13

!up marteen

01:13

indeed

01:13

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6c7d8BYJy8I

01:22

yo ben10, i can notarize your nameing https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=298nld4Yfds

01:24

might not float tho

01:35

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rDJu7r6OUvk

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01:58

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15400 @ 0.00028732 = 4.4247 BTC [-] {2}

~ 1 hours 23 minutes ~

03:22

http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-04-2015#1090248 <<< this thing https://img.4plebs.org/boards/pol/image/1386/37/1386372286519.gif

03:22

Logged on 07-04-2015 01:27:08; asciilifeform: doesn't ring a bell

03:22

... ( http://bit.ly/1DeKYem )

03:24

!up Vexual

03:25

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17500 @ 0.00028521 = 4.9912 BTC [-] {2}

03:25

loooks like allen ginsberg

03:25

Vexual, it's from https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X3ihcfJdAMs

03:25

Know your meme , Le happy merchant (the origin) - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1HKHIqX )

03:25

a /pol/ fav

03:27

i emplore you to learn your memes

03:27

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=67u2fmYz7S4

03:28

this shitsgot ben10, where we know its useful

03:30

obvo some punkman versio'

03:32

her we might describe that best curly haircut

03:32

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X5IdtqFf95g

03:33

very lisp

03:34

Vexual, i swear i better understood you when i was drinking more

03:34

yes, im approaching rehabness

03:37

i understood you wehn you were drinking moar tooz

03:37

such is lief

03:37

have not been able to do so the past few weeks

03:38

this is good

03:40

oh,myou know this one?

03:41

which?

03:42

your jukebox? can't play atm

03:42

wouldn't want the missus to actually think i'm enjoying myself while she feeds bubs

03:42

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X5IdtqFf95g boy or gal?

03:43

much the same until puberty eh?

03:43

es no importante

03:43

kids need the mp4 script eh?

03:44

ie not kids, but kids

03:44

the fuck is an mp4 script

03:44

you're too drunk.. or not drunk enough

03:44

liek when yr 6 mo ya dont need jewtube

03:45

whaaa?

03:45

hear al lotta no fLASH, OR I PREFER THIS PARTICULAR SONG,,

03:46

romainians say htgis song or that

03:47

cunts preferent a bus

03:48

or a plane. if they check da specs

03:48

ben10 dissed me once, hoped i dont have kids

03:49

only tiem my feeling ever got hurt, its ok tho, hes my cousin

03:51

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20200 @ 0.00028991 = 5.8562 BTC [+] {2}

03:52

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zQ6FhS8jMHE

~ 29 minutes ~

04:22

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7500 @ 0.00029069 = 2.1802 BTC [+]

04:30

Adlai

BingoBoingo: sup

04:30

Adlai: Not too much, just playing ;;seen who

04:31

Adlai

;;seen gabriel_laddel

04:31

gribble

gabriel_laddel was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 2 days, 14 hours, 32 minutes, and 34 seconds ago: <gabriel_laddel> <mircea_popescu> gabriel_laddel he's very tender on the topic for some reason. << the lady doth protest too much, methinks

04:31

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Adlai still waiting on matasune dox

04:31

Adlai

er, masamune

~ 15 minutes ~

04:47

http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-04-2015#1090780 << actually, that's how people compile code these days. jam and autom4te.

04:47

Logged on 07-04-2015 07:44:42; cazalla: the fuck is an mp4 script

04:51

!t m x.eur

04:51

[MPEX:X.EUR] 1D: 0.0043896 / 0.00439045 / 0.00439218 (66 shares, 0.29 BTC), 7D: 0.00438911 / 0.00439255 / 0.00439781 (1056 shares, 4.64 BTC), 30D: 0.00204279 / 0.00417471 / 0.00451772 (3405 shares, 14.21 BTC)

04:55

i guess it will be relevant for some;

04:55

http://reventlov.com/advisories/using-the-docker-command-to-root-the-host

04:55

Using the docker command to root the host (totally not a security issue) // reventlov's silly hacks ... ( http://bit.ly/1HKV0Dz )

04:56

rehashed again https://reclaim-your-privacy.com/wiki/Anonabox_Analysis

04:56

Anonabox Analysis - Reclaim Your Privacy ... ( http://bit.ly/1HKV1rl )

04:56

http://www.capitalnewyork.com/article/city-hall/2015/04/8565469/students-fret-over-venmo-payments-alleged-drug-dealer

04:56

Students fret over Venmo payments to alleged drug dealer | Capital New York ... ( http://bit.ly/1HKUZQ8 )

04:56

https://ninjadoge24.github.io/#002-how-i-cracked-nq-vaults-encryption

04:56

ninjadoge24's blog ... ( http://bit.ly/1HKV2vi )

04:56

o.O

04:56

also lulzy https://ics-cert.us-cert.gov/advisories/ICSA-15-090-03

04:56

Hospira MedNet Vulnerabilities | ICS-CERT ... ( http://bit.ly/1HKV3Q3 )

04:56

!up ug_

04:56

> Shellshock was almost discovered a decade ago... http://www.win.tue.nl/~aeb/linux/hh/hh-8.html#ss8.8 but then it wasn't.

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... ( http://bit.ly/1HKV5qR )

04:57

"A representative for Venmo would not respond specifically to the question whether they were helping police with their investigation into Getzler"

04:57

lol check it out > anonabox bad news: can get a root shell via local ipv6 with hardcoded root password "admin"

04:57

aint that weird.

04:59

dude the way the world spins. the dons of the 50s didn't approve of drugs, at all. then in the late 60s it was like, "whatever, sell them to blacks, they don't have a soul anwyay". then in the 80s it was "whatever, sell them but don't let anyone know". by now it's like... "sell drugs and write opinions for the spectator and send the customer list spam emails to upvote you"

04:59

kakobrekla wait im still digesting your dump lol.

05:00

meanwhile "criminal possession in the seventh degree", they are going to run out of degrees. best talk to imperial china for some more degrees.

05:02

and columbia's not even a party school.

05:04

ben_vulpes check it out yo, docker's no good >:D

05:04

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 50900 @ 0.00027581 = 14.0387 BTC [-] {4}

05:11

!up vorandrew

05:14

vorandrew

Put some options quotes

05:14

vorandrew

BTC/USD

05:14

http://www.win.tue.nl/~aeb/linux/hh/hh-8.html#ss8.8 but << this is actually a pretty great read.

05:14

... ( http://bit.ly/1HKYlmn )

05:20

"If the siteA string is empty, it is taken to be the local machine. A target like @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@victim would cause high load by recursive finger invocations, and could be used to contribute to a DOS attack. Michael H. Warfield reports that in a SUN NIS environment it is easy to kill a network using finger."

05:20

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34900 @ 0.0002717 = 9.4823 BTC [-]

05:20

heh.

~ 17 minutes ~

05:38

"So yeah, the Anonabox appears to be working but it is downright shocking that the WiFi connection is running unencrypted. Anybody within range of the Anonabox can connect to the network and sniff all network traffic."

05:38

it's fucking weird it uses wifi i nthe first place o.O

05:39

wouldn't you want your tor router quietly on a cable ?

05:47

that Lars Bøgild Thomsen dude... nice work on the anonybox piece of crud. however... he's embedding facebook, running a wiki and a phpbb forum he wants you to comment on, there's no way to leave a comment on his article (wp blog) without "being logged in" and in general what the shit already.

05:51

"BACKGROUND Hospira is a US-based company that maintains offices in several countries around the world." ... srsly ? us-cert.gov is a pr service now ? "please god anything, some text in here to dilute this shit o lord"

05:51

that must be logged in or use whatever social media thing is getting very annoying for sure

05:52

and for the record, github has given up on being on the web. http://dpaste.com/0ZQN8Q7

05:52

dpaste: 0ZQN8Q7 ... ( http://bit.ly/1GHbYnZ )

05:53

who the fuck thought this is a good idea ?

05:54

let's make glibc no longer compile statically and github not work. that'll make the foss so much better.

05:55

http://38.media.tumblr.com/6fb23babc4e23a4f710c4112e52af62e/tumblr_nhkmfmRhb41tonrdjo1_400.gif

05:55

... ( http://bit.ly/1yRsStz )

06:02

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12000 @ 0.0002717 = 3.2604 BTC [-]

~ 30 minutes ~

06:33

[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 100 @ 0.01000107 = 1.0001 BTC [-] {3}

06:41

in today's lol at people who are not lawyers but think they are : quora has a tos and a special-for-usg tos. the tos says it's the only agreement between user and quora. the special-for-usg tos says "language in the Quora ToS and Quora Privacy Policy indicating it alone is the entire agreement between the Parties is waived"

06:41

sadly... this isn't how this works.

06:42

but in any case, the comparison between the two is kind-of funny, for the very bored student of decaying empires, and of the cruft their decay pushes into the margins.

06:43

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punkman fondly remembers the "by entering this website you promise you aren't a USG agent"

06:44

that was a thing ?

06:44

"Quora hereby agrees not to serve or display any third party commercial advertisements or solicitations on the profile page of any user who uses the Quora Services on the Agency's behalf as identified by associating a .gov or .mil email address with the Quora account"

06:44

oh yeah, super common in the olden days

06:44

etc. lol.

06:44

punkman was this on script kiddie venues ?

06:45

various things like that, yes

06:48

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9496 @ 0.0002729 = 2.5915 BTC [+]

07:03

http://recode.net/2015/04/06/u-s-announces-first-antitrust-e-commerce-prosecution/

07:03

Man Prosecuted for Price Fixing on Amazon Marketplace | Re/code ... ( http://bit.ly/1Chf4cc )

07:17

ahaha what

07:18

"saying a man has agreed to plead guilty to conspiring to illegally fix the prices of posters he sold online."

07:18

posters.

07:19

there's a ton of companies selling price fixing software, they call it "repricing"

07:19

meanwhile you can't get a competing quote on your fucking health insurance.

07:19

maybe the guy didn't pay enough taxes?

07:20

but hey, protecting "the american consumer" from price fixing in commodified markets by actors who are in no way in control of the production flux is worth the federal dime now.

~ 27 minutes ~

07:47

good morning

07:47

takes me all day to (barely) catch up on logs here

07:47

i hope i get quicker

07:47

!up dub

07:48

you're not teh only one.

07:48

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/2f/John_Brennan_CIA_official_portrait.jpg << why's this guy have such a thug mug, and wtf happened to his eyes ?

07:48

... ( http://bit.ly/1c3vpMs )

07:50

https://github.com/emsec/ChameleonMini/

07:50

emsec/ChameleonMini · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1afLHAs )

07:51

am i correct in summing up turd polishing discussions, that once DNS is fully removed static linking will be back on the table?

07:51

contactless smartcard emulator.

07:52

funkenstein_ static linking of what ? as far as bitcoind specifically goes, iirc nubbins` reported he managed one.

07:56

yes bitcoind. I'm glad to hear that, i was worried by some of the discussion revealing more issues in gcc / linux.

07:57

"version" : 50301,

07:57

"balance" : 0.00000000,

07:57

"blocks" : 339415,

07:57

lunchtime, back soon

07:59

lulziest shit of all time : "Drone strikes are associated with decreases in both the frequency and the lethality of militant attacks overall and in IED and suicide attacks specifically." ~RAND Corporation.

07:59

orly ? this is like romanian electoral polling data. strictly contradictory to plain evidence, but hey, "it's an institution!111"

07:59

yeah. an institution you made for the purpose of putting out false "studies".

08:01

meanwhile everyone in pakistan thinks the us the enemy, and their interior minister thinks ~2k out of ~2k strikes actually missed their mark and killed random people instead.

08:15

that publishing of 'studies' and 'polls' may be one of the greatest ills of our times

08:17

A is associated with decreases in the frequency of A

08:18

more is less

~ 34 minutes ~

08:52

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18500 @ 0.00027119 = 5.017 BTC [-]

09:03

https://nacla.org/news/2015/04/06/where-argentine-debt-case-stands-now-and-why-it-still-matters

09:03

Where the Argentine Debt Case Stands Now, and Why it Still Matters | NACLA ... ( http://bit.ly/1Jk7Fi0 )

09:13

hi

09:14

i did indeed report one

09:14

can post the turd if anyone's curious, but without instructions on how to replciate, it's just that -- a turd

09:14

<+mircea_popescu> posters. <<< oh fuck

09:17

mircea_popescu:what was nubbins` situation wit hthat btw <<< my current boot order is mmc->usb->tftp->nand

09:18

altho fwiw i suspect tftp-boot just hangs if there's no kernel present on the wire

09:19

ben_vulpes:perhaps i am behind the times, but is there a buildroot config that's been passed around? <<< it's a bit of a frankenstein... i run make pogoplug_defconfig and then i run make nconfig to set a handful of extra flags

09:19

haven't had the time to actually diff a .config before and after and turn it into a patch

09:20

but in nconfig, you'll need to enable at least: large file (>2gb) support, ipv6 support, rpc support, wchar support, c++ support, stack protection

09:21

some of those maybe can be ditched once bitcoind gets trimmed down... but these are all just toolchain options, so if you can bear the extra compile time, it's not like it'll make your kernel any fatter

09:24

nubbins` i took it you were working on teh instructions

09:24

duod they're right there ^ !

09:25

"but without instructions on how to replciate, it's just that -- a turd"

09:25

where ?

09:25

oh THOSE instructions, yeah

09:25

still can't replicate the build

09:25

:(

09:25

lol. k.

09:26

i know *what* to do -- rip out unused parts of boost with bcp -- but i keep cracking eggshells in the batter

09:26

on the "compile time" front, i'm happy to announce eulora got tested on ancient athlon i + 768 mb ram and ancient nvidia 5k series vid card. it compiles in like an hour, and runs.

09:26

0.5 fps, but nevertheless...

09:26

i saved my entire bitcoind dir from the successful build, so i know precisely which boost headers and libs are needed

09:27

just can't figure out the BCP options to auto-strip the crud

09:27

may have to just to a manifest and then modify pinkposixw/e's script

09:27

mircea_popescu woo!

09:28

still testing to see what'll be minimum rec spec, but anyway.

09:28

doesn't look like it'll be an issue

09:30

exciting

09:30

when's the conference anyway

09:30

wait, isn't there a thing?

09:30

%conference

09:30

or something

09:30

16-18

09:32

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11100 @ 0.0002729 = 3.0292 BTC [+]

09:32

o fun, i'll be in cleve-land thne

09:32

*then

09:32

cleveland ?!

09:35

yah

09:35

imagine

09:35

lil nubs in the medium city!

09:37

i'll be seeing this guy

09:37

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4uFEOBJBiWg

09:37

Sufjan Stevens - Casimir Pulaski Day & Jacksonville @ ACL - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1c3SZbN )

09:37

and these guys

09:37

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8JpHoAnaPK0

09:37

Lightning Bolt " Dracula Mountain " - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1c3T2o6 )

09:37

and these!

09:37

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GcRJ8XM9-n4

09:37

Metz "Wet Blanket" (live) -- Polaris Music Prize 2013 - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1c3T4MK )

09:38

the juxtaposition isn't quite clear w/o viewing the videos, unfortunately

09:39

oh i c

09:39

hm, when a motherboard comes on when the supply comes on, no buttons or anything, and then won't atx powerdown

09:40

this isn't a good isng is it

09:41

almost certainly no

09:48

wow, one of woodcollector's shills turned on him, and now wc's socks are accusing the shill of being wc

09:48

this is some daytime-drama shit

09:48

yeah it's dead.

09:48

a well. was a great mobo

09:50

http://oilpro.com/announcement/713/opec-faces-750bn-losses-market-share-strategy

09:50

OPEC Faces $750bn Losses From Market Share Strategy - Oilpro ... ( http://bit.ly/1c3VCKO )

09:51

well, there goes $20/barrel...

09:52

lol

09:52

bs, marginal doggies barking.

09:52

what the fuck do the dollar values even mean ? the dollar's worth in 2020 is drastically indeterminate

09:52

and that applies to pricing goods. oil above the dollar in the pricing hierarchy.

09:54

this is true

09:54

http://rudaw.net/english/middleeast/iraq/110320151

09:54

Baghdad not sincere about KRG budget ... ( http://bit.ly/1c3WAqu )

09:55

mats, drop bombs on x for a decade and a half and see how sincere the Xers are about anything

09:55

"When the last KRG delegation visited Baghdad, it was told that the [Iraqi] government literally has run out of money."

09:55

kek'd

09:55

LITCHRALLY

09:55

lol

09:55

run out of money

09:55

as if this is a problem

09:56

"A month before Maliki left office, there were $18 billion in the Development Fund for Iraq at the New York Federal Reserve Bank, plus the KRG’s share of 2014’s budget. When Abadi was sworn into office, there was only $1 billion left."

09:56

"Other governments, urged by the IEA and IMF, will reduce or eliminate subsidies to end users of petroleum products. Such modifications to end-user price regimes are most easily implemented when consumers perceive prices to be relatively low. Robert Mabro correctly anticipated such developments following the 1986 oil price collapse. OPEC members will end up with an even smaller percentage of the end-user value of their

09:56

principal export than they received prior to adopting the market share strategy and this will be a permanent shift."

09:56

derp. opec must sell less oil because otherwise we will steal even more of their revenue via internal taxation.

09:56

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j2AvU2cfXRk

09:56

Clarke and Dawe - Quantitative Easing - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1a1oMse )

09:56

logic.

09:56

lol.

09:57

^ worth a watch

09:57

mats what exactly do the americans expect local traitors to do other than steal as much as possible ?

09:57

that's the entire fucking point. why exactly else would maliki or anyone else EVEN TALK dumbass.gov ?

09:57

what, they like nuland or something ?

09:58

who knows. i'm sure most of the staff guys over there are busy avoiding locals for fear of catching a bullet.

09:58

"bring a billion or two, we'll take you out tonight"

09:58

ye good ol' "green on green"

09:58

ahahahaha these guys

09:58

srsly

09:59

"once you ascertain you have the alignment correct, you open the window, alert the banking sector, and press 'print'"

10:00

"John Gault is Co-Director, Executive Master in International Oil and Gas Leadership, The Graduate Institute, Geneva."

10:00

srsly.

10:00

co-director & executive master of the international word word leadership fictional entity, geneva.

10:01

who is john ga... oh, you just said

10:01

(MFW ayn rand died on social assistance)

10:01

after a fashion.

10:01

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16705 @ 0.00026806 = 4.4779 BTC [-] {2}

10:01

all sorts of experts experting expertly.

10:01

this 'Executive Master' construct is new to me

10:01

imma add that to my list of titles.

10:02

i kinda imagine "the graduate institute" to be like... the film, the graduate. except in an institution.

10:02

mats i suppose ima import it in my harem. i can be the master, and the slavegirls could be executive masters.

10:02

heh

10:02

socialist bdsm.

10:15

danielpbarron

height=316322 vs height=221389

~ 17 minutes ~

10:32

ohio has been mentioned a few time here recently so

10:33

www.youtube.com/watch?v=nYDiggEp-hw

10:44

http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/mike-duffy-silent-as-he-arrives-for-senate-expenses-trial-1.3022689

10:44

Mike Duffy silent as he arrives for Senate expenses trial - Politics - CBC News ... ( http://bit.ly/1a1wuCK )

10:44

fuck mike duffy

10:49

nubbins` i don't get what the issue is. can you summarize ?

10:49

duffy was caught a while back charging a ton of frivolous expenses to his senate expense account

10:49

like a house he never lived in

10:50

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canadian_Senate_expenses_scandal

10:50

Canadian Senate expenses scandal - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1a1yr27 )

10:50

ah, so plain fraud. mkay.

10:50

unanswered is why the Canadian senate is stuffed with washed-up former journalists

10:51

and nobodies like Patrick Brazeau

10:51

who, after being suspended from the senate, got a job at a strip club and threw his girlfriend down a set of stairs

10:52

oh also

10:52

https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/can.general/Ay0OqlUwdWk

10:52

Google Discussiegroepen ... ( http://bit.ly/1a1z6k0 )

10:53

It was all on live TV yesterday morning. Pierre Trudeau's grieving ex-wife had come to view the Centennial Flame shortly after a ceremony marking the departure of his coffin to a funeral train bound for Montreal. Margaret Trudeau was trying to compose herself and nodded quietly as people offered their condolences.

10:54

Suddenly, somebody pushed his way through. Margaret turned and said "Oh, hi Mike," and smiled broadly. "This was Misha's birthday," the man said, referring to the Trudeaus' youngest son Michel, who died two years ago. Her face froze and she burst into tears. She turned around and quickly walked away. "It's Michel's birthday today," she said in a strained voice to those around her. "I didn't remember." Michel, the youngest of her

10:54

three sons with Trudeau, died nearly two years ago in an avalanche and his body was never found.

10:54

ladies and gentlemen... mister mike "dr. robotnik" duffy

10:56

somewhat more succinctly from the toronto star: "In 2000, four days after Pierre’s death, Margaret went out. She was confronted by a TV reporter, the punchably cruel Mike Duffy, now a senator, who barked at her, “How do you feel today, Mrs. Trudeau? Have you remembered it’s Michel’s birthday?” She collapsed."

10:57

"punchably cruel" is nice

10:57

who's trudeau ?

10:57

mike_c

danielpbarron: experiment is over, yes? given pace over the last few days the slow version is literally never going to finish.

10:58

former prime minister pierre trudeau, who famously enacted the war measures act in 1970 when couple politicians got kidnapped and murdered

10:59

"what of the bleeding hearts?", he was asked

10:59

"let them bleed"

10:59

so then what problem do you see ?

11:00

only that the senate is full of subhumans

11:01

appointed by our own lizard hitler, stephen harper

11:05

mircea_popescu incidentally, trudeau's son (because this is what politics in north america is now) is currently the leader of the national liberal party, w/ maybe a 50-50 shot at the big seat next election

11:05

lol

11:05

srs.

11:06

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XuSpZ3_5pTc

11:06

Justin Trudeau -- Patrick Brazeau Charity Boxing Match -- English Coverage of Complete Fight - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1a1Ck7f )

11:06

there's trudeau and the strip-club-managing, girlfriend-stair-down-throwing senator... /boxing each other/

11:07

http://log.b-a.link/?date=07-04-2015#1090422 << similar gig as you, i imagine: working for 'the man' in compartmentalized ops, churning out weaponized exploits and such.

11:07

Logged on 07-04-2015 02:43:33; asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the ubiquiti example dovetails nicely with the thread re: unemployed reversers. if persians happily buy turdware, they either haven't many, or haven't any competent ones, or they are all occupied with something else (what ?)

11:13

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] [PAID] 72.85073993 BTC to 500`000`000 shares, 14 satoshi per share

11:14

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30700 @ 0.00026776 = 8.2202 BTC [-] {2}

11:15

[MPEX] [S.BBET] [PAID] 28.16939346 BTC to 5`000`000 shares, 563 satoshi per share

11:16

oh motherfucker.

11:16

fine. that's it. i'm gifting a friggin bitcoin and whatever, the gods have spoken.

11:20

!up deedbot-

11:20

deedbot- http://dpaste.com/08761FT

11:20

dpaste: 08761FT ... ( http://bit.ly/1N3MEh6 )

11:20

deedbot-

Bad URL or network outage.

11:20

deedbot- http://dpaste.com/08761FT.txt

11:20

... ( http://bit.ly/1N3MIxu )

11:20

deedbot-

accepted: 2

11:20

yay. cool.

11:21

http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/04/07/us-tnt-express-m-a-fedex-idUSKBN0MY06G20150407

11:21

FedEx to buy TNT for $4.8 billion to take on rivals in Europe| Reuters ... ( http://bit.ly/1N3MRkm )

11:24

oh great

11:25

all things must be shittified.

11:25

TNT was reasonably fast last time I used them

11:36

lobbes

!up ascii_field

11:50

mircea_popescu:hm, when a motherboard comes on when the supply comes on, no buttons or anything, and then won't atx powerdown << what did you do to it

~ 16 minutes ~

12:06

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21466 @ 0.00027219 = 5.8428 BTC [+] {2}

~ 37 minutes ~

12:44

ascii_field: 'what did you do to it' << walked down a dark alley all unsuspecting like

~ 1 hours 4 minutes ~

13:49

!up stunna

14:01

[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 26491 @ 0.00004 = 1.0596 BTC [-] {2}

~ 16 minutes ~

14:17

!up ascii_field

14:17

http://www.cnn.com/2015/04/07/politics/power-outage-washington-dc << mega-l0l

14:17

D.C. hit by power outage - CNN.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1E0Jyoo )

14:30

lobbes

'The power went out during the daily State Department briefing, with Deputy Spokesperson Marie Harf using a phone light to continue taking questions from reporters.' << heh

~ 15 minutes ~

14:46

do all power outages make the news over there?

14:46

no.

14:46

quite certainly not.

14:52

!up ascii_field

14:53

dc really is the center of all american rot, isn't it?

14:54

ben_vulpes: at least on paper

14:54

ben_vulpes: in practice, rot is a very 'peer2peer' affair

14:54

brownouts and power outages *do not happen* here.

14:54

ben_vulpes: not only do they happen where i live, but with sufficient frequency that i'm stuck using very elaborate power conditioning gear

14:54

but i'm not in dc city gates proper

14:54

it is quite unusual there.

14:55

this is madness, man.

14:55

'no, it is sparta!'

14:55

*

punkman just replaced old UPS

14:55

at present time, i have a massive double-converting ups

14:55

before that, a ferroresonator

14:56

before that, a dynasty of ordinary ups, which tripped so often that they frequently died

14:56

well with the greenies shutting down power plants all over its only gonna get worse

14:58

chetty: largely a cover for existing infrastructural decay.

14:59

the kind of thing that dying empire cannot really hide for long

14:59

it also shows where the -actual- usg priorities are

14:59

(-not- the elected muppets, for one thing)

15:00

mats: ... similar gig as you, i imagine: working for 'the man' in compartmentalized ops, churning out weaponized exploits and such. << believe or not, i was never in this business. not even from ethical considerations, but starting with the fact that it is a -terrifyingly- dreary kind of work, carried out largely with brute force 'fuzzing' by gigantic stables of fungible slaves.

15:04

afaik that is where the bulk of the 'salable' vulns actually come from.

15:05

anyone interested in becoming this kind of 'agricultural' labourer - knows where to go.

15:09

I cant help but find it delicious it hits dc

15:11

chetty: wake me up when it hits something important

15:11

jajajajaja

15:12

(for n00bz: the subcontractors which do most of the practical 'usg-ing' are headquartered largely in north virginia, and have massive backup power and other every other conceivable luxury, large and small, on the grounds.)

15:18

well as I heard the power went out in 'useful' places, the white house,the state department ... :D

15:18

useful l0l

15:25

!up ascii_field

15:28

http://rt.com/uk/247529-bitcoin-exchange-opening-britain/ << "Bitcoin has had shaky beginnings with big Bitcoin exchanges like Mt Gov suffering huge thefts."

15:28

... ( http://bit.ly/1Ph3dVw )

15:40

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9425 @ 0.00026703 = 2.5168 BTC [-] {2}

~ 16 minutes ~

15:56

"wheels have had a shaky beginning - several have fallen over when their rotational inertia dropped below critical stability thresholds or ran into other unforseen obstacles."

15:58

!up ascii_field

15:58

ben_vulpes: wut

15:59

ascii_field: http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-04-2015#1091103

15:59

Logged on 07-04-2015 19:28:16; BingoBoingo: http://rt.com/uk/247529-bitcoin-exchange-opening-britain/ << "Bitcoin has had shaky beginnings with big Bitcoin exchanges like Mt Gov suffering huge thefts."

15:59

l0l

15:59

Oh, I was loling over "Mt Gov"

16:00

haw

16:00

looked like an x at this tiny fontsize

16:05

ben_vulpes: Well there's two solutions to your problem. Optometrics or Moar fontsize.

16:07

BingoBoingo: it's a bit more complex than that. fontsize is nearly irrelevant, as i parse visually first by the structure of the code and then by wordshape. mispellings are rare, due to backround jobs that compile/evaluate text buffers on save and linters that have rules about symbol definition.

16:07

my goal is primarily to cram as much text on the screen as possible before losing structure or wordshape

16:07

Option 3, More Screen

16:08

i've got 2 24" monitors.

16:08

'tain't enough.

16:08

ben_vulpes: desk not full - could have moar

16:08

indubitably.

16:08

but for now, this is adequate.

16:08

when full - can hang'em up

16:08

Consider 4 36"s I say from my adequate to purposes 11.6" screen.

16:09

hyu

16:09

hue

16:10

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/bHLR3faI7lU/hqdefault.jpg

16:10

... ( http://bit.ly/1yTcGb6 )

16:12

http://www.greenpeace.org/seasia/ph/Global/seasia/image/2005/9/stack_of_monitors.jpg << hah there you go ben_vulpes

16:12

... ( http://bit.ly/1yTcKrr )

16:25

heh yeah something like that, trinque

16:25

there's a van with a setup akin to that first link in Snow Crash of which i was always enamore.d

16:25

enamored*

16:26

what I *really* want, though, is not even a desk but 2 six-axis arms that keep my keyboard and monitors in the appropriate ergonomic relationship.

16:30

!up ascii_field

16:43

http://crimeblog.dallasnews.com/2015/04/five-volunteer-firefighters-in-ellis-county-jailed-on-aggravated-sexual-assault-charges.html/

16:43

Affidavit: Volunteer firefighters used sausage in videotaped sex assault at Ellis County fire station | | Dallas Morning News ... ( http://bit.ly/1Phe3uG )

16:55

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28550 @ 0.00027357 = 7.8104 BTC [+]

16:56

ascii_field wasn't me

16:56

but from what i gather, it got the 6 pin cpu power in its 8 slot

16:57

l0l

16:57

magic smoke ?

16:57

<ascii_field> ben_vulpes: not only do they happen where i live, but with sufficient frequency that i'm stuck using very elaborate power conditioning gear << you and fucking indians, i swear.

16:57

everybody warned me when i came here, "o may gawd power outages". i ended up overprovisioning power by such a wide berth it's ridiculous.

16:58

a village's worth of african children could have gone through prostitution school for that dough.

16:58

aha i recall, that diesel trailer

16:58

i saw ONE power outage in a year, which was most likely the building bus being old.

16:59

outages are not even as annoying as brownouts and, especially - spikes

16:59

i've seen neither of those. ever.

16:59

generator does nothing against these

17:00

spikes used to be reasonably frequent in the 80s in ro. but not major spikes, just, 5-10% sort of things. but then they upgraded the infrastructure and it no longer relies on its own inductance

17:00

so pretty much gone

17:00

spikes were a perennial plague in su

17:00

yeah well, probably because they're running on obsolete romanian transformers

17:00

to the point that it was a given that a tv set would have a 'stabilizator' underneath, buzzing steadily

17:00

like fucking india

17:00

(ferroresonator)

17:01

iirc india runs on old su gear wholesale.

17:01

yeah, because why make the 100kv transformers weigh 180 tons. make them 24 and then fuck up the entire power supply.

17:01

!up ascii_field

17:03

the type of habitation traditional in american suburbs makes civilized power distribution astronomically expensive

17:04

ah

17:04

o wow, fucking sprawl. you probably can't just get a huge 100kv - 2kv stepper and feed a whole neighbourhood, must have like 100kv - 12kv - 1,x kv multistep hu

17:04

h

17:05

120v (america) also entails 2x the current for given wattage, on the low transformer end

17:05

>> more copper

17:05

o.O

17:05

allthewrongchoices.jpg

17:05

similar to situation with net pipes

17:06

early to the game - does not translate to 'better', when the result is massive antiquated crud everywhere, that no one contemplates replacing because $maxint

17:06

the 120 volt choice was a bad idea.

17:06

it is a marvel that they didn't stick with edison's direct current grid

17:07

think of the 'l337 job creation'

17:07

a substation on -every- street...

17:07

it was a bad idea -inherited directly from edison dc grid-

17:07

myeah

17:08

(for light bulb - and resistive heaters, similar - compatibility.)

17:08

http://cityroom.blogs.nytimes.com/2007/11/14/off-goes-the-power-current-started-by-thomas-edison/?_r=0 << edison dc grid turned off in '07 !

17:08

Log In - The New York Times ... ( http://bit.ly/1PhhZLU )

17:09

you know... the more i think of this the more it appears a major strategic problem for the us. larger than fucking isis, larger than the chinese fmi, larger even than their inability to maintain railroad infrastructure.

17:09

mircea_popescu: think of their peculiar system of weights and measures

17:09

used... where else, today? zimbabwe ?

17:09

think : in the coming economy, the ability to easily get good clean power in the 10 to 100kw range of european towns is going to weigh very heavily

17:10

because production in future is going to look more like your garage than ford factory.

17:10

so the fact that giancarlo milanese can ask for a 380v line today and have it working in may whereas joe washington can't even get it... well...

17:11

if you got stuff to do you move.

17:11

mircea_popescu: one thought that i can't possibly be the first to think is that miners have a tremendous incentive to get off their government mains grids.

17:11

(gives away their position, among other problems)

17:11

not where that rose is getting cut.

17:12

?

17:13

cheaper for miners to cut the head of the governments in question than to create alt-powergrid.

17:13

you're thinking of govt as this fixed item. it is the least fixed item of all.

17:13

mircea_popescu: power grids as we know them are an inherently totalitarian institution

17:14

there's nothing wrong with authority.

17:14

literally centralized power, by design

17:14

there's somethin wrong with authority in the hands of the stupid,

17:14

but that never lasts.

17:14

egypt went on for a good long while, iirc.

17:15

stupid is a relative term.

17:15

maybe people will finally turn off the lights

17:15

why would people ever do that ?

17:16

i'd run the lights if the lights ran on your liquefied babies.

17:16

some things are important.

17:16

not street lights

17:16

oh, those.

17:16

you should see the us lmao.

17:17

europe from space at night is quite a sight

17:17

they got it in their head that "parking lots are dangerous" because "women get raped" because hey, it's a literary conventions, and nobody can accuse us writers of not being lazy.

17:17

nevermind that the rapes that do happen happen in parking garages not lots.

17:17

so... now you have to have a pole every 10 meters, and can't even turn because LIGHT OMG

17:17

parking lots are scary.

17:17

nuts.

17:18

could be a good use for all that ammunition

17:18

shooting a streetlight is not trivial. try sometime.

17:18

street lamps where i live often suffer from a peculiar glitch where they switch -off- if someone walks near

17:19

(light from adjacent poles falls on you, reflected back to photocell on the light in question)

17:19

dude there was a light like that on the road out of timisoara, he was the lol of all time. we'd like visit to make fun.

17:19

especially fun to watch folks suggest nonsensical explanations for the effect

17:20

think of their peculiar system of weights and measures <-- nasa made official call to move to metric system once

17:20

the order moved down the command chain, arrived in machine shop

17:20

request for new tools went back up the command chain.. end of that attempt

17:20

$maxint.

17:20

literally.

17:21

the loss in physical plant would be comparable to a world war

17:21

so no one ever really took it seriously

17:21

lol

17:21

yeah, these aren't things people can actually do.

17:21

it is conceivalbe to slowly phase in on replacements?

17:21

nope.

17:21

it's one of those "all at once" things.

17:22

slug-feet is is then

17:22

which reminds me of a joke : when they entered the eu, the romanians starting bidding on all sorts of contracts. like for instance, a 1947 british rfq to move the country to european style driving.

17:23

the police dept of bumfuck offered to write a plan and outline strategy and everything.

17:23

the brits were pretty scared.

17:23

then the outline showed up. "the change will be introduced in phases. for the first five years, only trucks and vehicles over 5 tons will switch to driving on right"

17:24

!b 4

17:24

Last 4 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/2SBTP91.txt )

17:24

<ascii_field> the loss in physical plant would be comparable to a world war << actually, not anymore. the us has already lost so much physical plant since the 50s it might have been through half a dozen world wars.

17:25

lol

17:25

mircea_popescu: ... and i -still- have to keep two sets of drill bits

17:25

and wrenches

17:25

and ... etc

17:25

that was the only real effect of the u.s. botched metric push

17:25

and i gotta keep two sets of womenz. what's your point.

17:26

not everything fits the same way.

17:28

http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-04-2015#1091093 << this much is true. but hey, beats webcams.

17:28

Logged on 07-04-2015 19:00:57; ascii_field: mats: ... similar gig as you, i imagine: working for 'the man' in compartmentalized ops, churning out weaponized exploits and such. << believe or not, i was never in this business. not even from ethical considerations, but starting with the fact that it is a -terrifyingly- dreary kind of work, carried out largely with brute force 'fuzzing' by gigantic stables of fungible slaves.

17:28

webcams ?

17:28

ascii_field there's exactly three things a woman can do with herself that doesn't work as the housemaid of a dude.

17:29

one is working the pick-n-placers. the other's working the masturbatrons. the third's you know, "using her head", as in, this fuzzer, that fuzzer...

17:29

mircea_popescu: there are quite likely more women in the deep-water oceanic oil prospecting industry than in vuln digging

17:29

the sortage is generally, "whether she thinks she's pretty", "whether she thinks she's smart"

17:30

ascii_field mno.

17:30

every farm i ever saw was eastern european / azn women. like, 9:1 women or more.

17:30

not same as spam farms

17:30

assuming that is what mircea_popescu was thinking of

17:31

at the level we're discussing here, there's really no difference between working as " gawker vp of pr" or working as "candi19874 on myfreewebcams". srsly.

17:32

!up ascii_field

17:32

but between looking for 0days and these two items - yes, difference

17:32

yes. because this is for "girl think she's pretty" and those for "girl thinks she's smart".

17:32

but difference between spam farm and 0day farm, and "code farm" generally .. also nil.

17:33

i have yet to meet, or even hear of, any females in that business other than the two or three world-famous ones

17:33

these are the three female professions. the differences within them are minute.

17:33

ascii_field why would you ever meet them ?!

17:34

mircea_popescu: let's phrase it this way - my circle 3 degrees out includes perhaps a thousand such slaves, and i was told in no uncertain terms that there were no females.

17:34

weird.

17:34

this is not 'god's word' but hearsay, yes.

17:34

maybe strange cultural difference at work ?!

17:34

possible

17:35

the argument i always hear is, "dudes have no focus and can't be trusted to pay the fuck attention"

17:35

the pick-n-place argument, yes

17:35

eh, pick and place is like waitressing. so you missed a spot. big deal.

17:35

same with fuzzing

17:35

the next slave will notice what you missed, is the notion

17:36

yeah but you need to know / learn a shitload more to do this than to wipe the table / put the pin in the hole.

17:36

and to learn you must read. and dudes don't read.

17:36

for what it's worth, my hypothesis for the maleness of the profession is that it is the very epitome of greenspun's tournamentmarket

17:36

no it's not !?

17:36

virtually the whole motivation comes from 'what if -i- catch the big one'

17:36

they make a salary.

17:36

many ways to make salary

17:36

uh. they wouldn't even know if they did.

17:37

mircea_popescu -might- be thinking of a different profession than i was

17:37

am i ?

17:37

how would 0day slave distinguish between what he's told he's doing (unit testing) and what he's actually doing ?

17:37

if it's one that includes gurlz to any detectable extent, then almost certainly

17:38

aha mircea_popescu was thinking of testers/qa.

17:38

it's how you look for 0 days!

17:38

nope

17:38

any more than pigs make ham

17:38

you hire a huge team of those and cut the job up to them

17:38

it is butchers who make ham

17:38

oh, then yes we were thinking of very different things.

17:38

the qa meat robots determine 'yes it crashes if you feed it an odd number of letters in the address field' etc

17:39

but i say the pigs make ham. as that one butcher observed, "i only follow the lines already there"

17:39

the folks i was speaking of - determine whether said crash was exploitable

17:39

normally they forgo the meat robots and use scripts

17:39

this practice is traditionally called 'fuzzing'

17:39

no, fuzzing is when you forego scripts and use humans.

17:39

because humans to some degree heuristic.

17:39

the thing where you use scripts is bruteforce i guess. ripper-it

17:40

*

ascii_field suspects a 'national' variation in terminology

17:40

mebbe so. anyway.

17:40

over here, 'fuzzing' is done with machines.

17:40

testament to over there illiteracy.

17:40

there's nothing fuzzy about a numeric machine.

17:41

we spoke, for instance, of fuzzing gpg format.

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!s fuzzing gpg

17:41

0 results for 'fuzzing gpg' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=fuzzing+gpg

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no we didn't :D

17:41

'high-tech' fuzzers actually spot differences in branch outcomes at every conditional jump as consequence of nth bit in input having changed

17:41

what if no code ?

17:44

http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-04-2015#1091117 << this is a bad idea and it will make you as blind as an old jew.

17:44

Logged on 07-04-2015 20:07:39; ben_vulpes: my goal is primarily to cram as much text on the screen as possible before losing structure or wordshape

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listen to me, never read text not > 1 cm tall.

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whaddayamean no code

17:46

was speaking of raw cpu instructions.

17:46

ah ah

17:46

i dunno, i'm not aware it's a solved problem.

17:46

not 'solved' as such

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but there are productive approaches that don't reduce to pure brute strength

17:47

but only -mostly-

17:47

instrumenting tool e.g. afl plus qemu

17:47

aha

17:47

and Brittany Leanne Parten, 23 were arrested << o.O

17:48

"Court records say the laughing men initially tried to use a broomstick for the deed, which was videotaped on a cell phone. But then one of them said, I have something better and retrieved a chorizo sausage from the stations refrigerator, the records say."

17:48

jurov

waitwhat? my dad worked in QA of "tesla elektroakustika" and pick and place was considered woman's job

17:49

jurov: it -is-

17:50

jurov

"i was told in no uncertain terms that there were no females" was about which occupation then?

17:50

https://blog.hboeck.de/archives/868-How-Heartbleed-couldve-been-found.html << uses afl!

17:50

How Heartbleed could've been found - Hanno's blog ... ( http://bit.ly/1GlIn4J )

17:50

jurov

spam farms?

17:50

jurov: spam farms is what mircea_popescu might have thought i was speaking of

17:51

i srsly think your distinction is entirely arbitrary.

17:51

the "spam farms" and the monkey-on-a-stick farms where microsoft code is actuallywritten, and this stuff... really, what's the difference ?

17:51

people coming out of any of them come out with the same sorts of "ideas"

17:52

(for a real world example, the derp with the btctc exchange is certainly a victim)

17:52

i suppose this may be the issue, i classify culturally, ie, by the beast's mental excrement. ascii_field you prolly classify by some sort of "what the job is". as if jobs actually are about something.

17:53

the difference is, as al schwartz phrased it, 'does your assembly line require phds? if yes, your firm is doomed'

17:53

heh.

17:53

"Heartbleed is a read buffer overflow. What that means is that an application is reading outside the boundaries of a buffer. For example, imagine an application has a space in memory that's 10 bytes long. If the software tries to read 20 bytes from that buffer, you have a read buffer overflow."

17:54

and yes, to me - jobs are about something.

17:54

for the record, this seems to me disqualifyingly dumb.

17:54

ascii_field not these jobs. these jobs are about the narrative in the "worker's" head.

17:54

that's not called industry, that is called 'psych ward'

17:55

'i am a carpenter.' 'show me some wood.' - patient pulls out wad of own shit

17:55

!s engineering psychiatry

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0 results for 'engineering psychiatry' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=engineering+psychiatry

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orly ?!

17:55

!s engineer psychiatrist

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0 results for 'engineer psychiatrist' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=engineer+psychiatrist

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b0rk3d

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srsly.

18:02

!up ascii_field

18:05

the tool which mats linked to requires having source, yes

18:06

it is only moderately difficult to build a variant which does not.

18:06

(exercise for alert reader!)

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<mircea_popescu> listen to me, never read text not > 1 cm tall. << why aren't you talking about arc-seconds?!

18:08

moreover, that's not what a buffer overflow is.

18:08

ben_vulpes because arc seconds don't actually matter in this discussion.

18:09

1cm doesn't make sense in that 1 cm is huge if close and tiny if far away

18:10

but as long as it's 1cm you'll seat yourself at a convenient distance.

18:11

that depends on desk, keyboard configuration too

18:11

if you're looking at much finer detail you push it in too close and do all sorts of damage.

18:12

scoop: http://www.contravex.com/2015/04/07/foreign-aid-assuaging-your-guilt-and-ruining-lives-since-forever/

18:12

Foreign aid : assuaging your guilt and ruining lives… since forever. | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/1JlOnsv )

18:12

that's an interesting normalization, mircea_popescu.

18:12

the body is complex, the brain the most complex part, and the circuitry that drives vision the most complex of that. let it work rather than try to be smarter than it on fewer neurons.

18:14

a family physician i know also recommended looking at least 20 ft away from the screen every 20 mins to allow eyes to relax

18:15

the specifics vary, but the red thread always is, "the thing works fine, the less you fuck with it the longer you'll enjoy it."

18:15

yes but whence the 1cm number -- whence!?

18:16

i can also tell that the work of mircea_popescu is not ever i/o bound.

18:16

ascii_field like how ?

18:16

ben_vulpes that is a mystery.

18:16

in that try reading disassemblies with 1cm tall characters.

18:17

and see how far you get

18:17

hey, i am not proposing every blind figurine carver can be a king.

18:17

ben_vulpes sorta like why is the golden ratio so golden ?

18:17

bind size up/down sensibly, good to go

18:17

im just proposing that people don't cook like they're carving figurines.

18:18

mm so think nachinka, not netsuki

18:21

pete_dushenski: foreign aid article << it's a surplus-burner

18:22

but where do you see surplusses?

18:22

now that's a q eh. what surpluses.

18:22

'The war, therefore if we judge it by the standards of previous wars, is merely an imposture. It is like the battles between certain ruminant animals whose horns are incapable of hurting one another. But though it is unreal it is not meaningless. It eats up the surplus of consumable goods, and it helps to preserve the special mental atmosphere that the hierarchical society needs. War, it will be seen, is now a purely

18:22

internal affair....' (orwell's 1984)

18:22

of free time, for instance

18:22

except the us is not particularly hierarchical, and it has no surplus of anything.

18:22

if it were doing that it'd bring back the draft.

18:23

but the "aid army" w/e it was called never took off.

18:23

"peacekeepers"

18:23

best thing that could happen to the us is force every citizen under 18 to live a year in africa.

18:23

but not "allow". force.

18:23

and shoot escapees.

18:23

lol!

18:23

modern usa's 'aid' is about the dough coming back to the right coffers, washed, yes

18:23

then import as many african kids to live within the now empty nests

18:23

something rather different than mr o's concept

18:24

and after the year let the family pick which one they wish to keep.

18:24

china seems to be sending a few, though not all, young men and women to africa, likely to beneficial effect

18:24

pete_dushenski: they live on reservations with no locals permitted, iirc

18:24

for the chinese mainly

18:24

pete_dushenski terribru for them. chinese women that go black definitely won't go back.

18:24

like martian colonies

18:25

mircea_popescu: do the ones who 'go' horse - ever 'go back' ?

18:25

and of which is there more.

18:25

ascii_field every country's aid is intended to come back to 'right coffers'

18:25

tis my argument at least

18:25

ascii_field the whores that go hoarse don't go back, no.

18:25

shoulda put hearse in there too i guess.

18:25

horse, mule, ...

18:25

elephant ?

18:26

i imagine sea mammals.

18:26

mircea_popescu terribru for the chinese? does chinese woman really desire random african suitor?

18:26

the sea has a +penis effect.

18:27

pete_dushenski i have nfi.

18:27

'go dolphin, never go back' ?

18:27

jus' messin' around a little.

18:27

lolk

18:27

ascii_field you ever been in one of those cars with memory seats ?

18:27

aha got one

18:28

pretty useless

18:28

well, kinda how vagina works. whenever excited, it kinda goes back to wherever it had fun last.

18:28

there's no shortage of african gents here, ones crafty enough to game their way over the border, none of whom seem to be knocking up any girlfriends of mine

18:28

that makes the vagina like an old man with a mid- or late-life crisis

18:29

lol

18:29

buying muscle cars because that's where the fun was!

18:29

muscle computers.

18:29

i doubt they actually did it in muscle cars.

18:29

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20734 @ 0.00027016 = 5.6015 BTC [-] {2}

18:30

well, the ones who didn't are now buying the cars to reimagine themselves as the ones who did!

18:30

what will a muscle computer be ..?

18:30

1000 chickens!

18:30

given that the sportier metal goes for $100k+, it's the former qb of the football team buying it

18:32

1000 chickens is more like a muscle grocery store

18:33

ascii_field: there's a decent amount of work done with afl to enable black box testing

18:35

e.g. https://github.com/mothran/aflpin

18:35

mothran/aflpin · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1ybHZDe )

18:35

(i spent some time this month experimenting with afl -- good stuff)

18:39

^*it's NOT the former qb...

18:44

mebbe the 12-core mac pro, booted with danielpbarron's openbsd hack, will be our "muscle computer" in 30 years

18:44

i can't think of anyone else selling desktop hardware for $10k

18:45

even if intel turd

18:47

<ascii_field> what will a muscle computer be ..? << DEC Alpha overclocked and cooled by Olympian means

18:48

like so ? http://www.ebay.ca/itm/VINTAGE-DEC-VX42B-F2-MULTIA-ALPHA-TERMINAL-233MHZ-543MB-HDD-32MB-RAM-FDD-/261816468691?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item3cf57a44d3

18:48

Vintage DEC VX42B F2 Multia Alpha Terminal 233MHz 543MB HDD 32MB RAM FDD | eBay ... ( http://bit.ly/1ybIZHC )

18:49

pete_dushenski: Look for the ones listed with an extra figure or two in their price to this day

18:51

huh

18:51

pete_dushenski: http://www.ebay.com/itm/HP-AlphaServer-GS1280-Model-32-with-64GB-memory-and-UNIX-licenses-/370623042762?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item564adad4ca is a start

18:51

HP AlphaServer GS1280 Model 32 with 64GB Memory and Unix Licenses | eBay ... ( http://bit.ly/1ybJeCx )

18:51

um ya. those are straight up servers.

18:52

Or for half the price http://www.ebay.com/itm/HP-DS15-Alpha-Server-2-4-1000MHZ-w-4GB-RAM-IN-A-GOOD-CONDITION-/121333466602?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item1c4009c5ea

18:52

HP DS15 Alpha Server 2 4 1000MHz w 4GB RAM in A Good Condition | eBay ... ( http://bit.ly/1ybJilL )

18:52

pete_dushenski: Nah, these are potential hot rods

18:53

they're pretty fuckin badass is what they are

18:53

imagine those in your study, with custom ducting to the outside, just awhirin' away

18:55

"whatcha doing, honey, plotting launch trajectories?" "just chatting with the boys"

18:59

"At various points in the budgets, [Rand] Paul questions the constitutionality of progressive income taxes, eliminates almost all federal education and housing programs, ends the biggest anti-poverty tax credits, eliminates foreign aid, institutes large defense cuts, slashes the State Department budget by more than two-thirds, and cuts the Food and Drug Administration budget to limit government "intrusion into

18:59

the nation’s food supply." "

18:59

^speaking of foreign aid

19:00

sounds like paul has himself a functioning head, relatively speaking of course

19:01

too bad he looks so dweeby

19:03

http://qntra.net/2015/04/vessenes-foundation-attemps-janssens-rebuttal/

19:03

Vessenes Foundation Attemps Janssens Rebuttal | Qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1O5efvq )

19:06

rand is using bitpay for donations

19:09

"continue helping on a volunteer basis to help the Foundation during this financially austere time." << austerity strikes again

19:10

BingoBoingo top kek ty.

19:10

https://theageofausterity.wordpress.com/

19:10

Keywords for the Age of Austerity ... ( http://bit.ly/1ybKCVK )

19:13

asciilifeform a muscle computer is an amd fx + 64 gb of memory + swap on a ssd 1+0 raid array.

19:13

coupla grand or w/e.

19:15

pete_dushenski: it will be interesting to watch what happens there, if anything

19:15

I supported his father in 2008, felt pretty "mehhhhh" about doing the same by 2012

19:16

had his father been elected, the whole rest of the govt would've obstructed any substantial changes he'd want to make, so I don't know what good would've come of it

19:16

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12300 @ 0.00027526 = 3.3857 BTC [+]

19:16

I suppose he could send the executive branch on extended vacation

19:16

fair enough, there's huge bureaucratic momentum, but i'll definitely have some popcorn at the ready for the 2016 run

19:17

I'd love to see Rand Paul get in

19:17

but more yes, to do with popcorn than anything else

19:17

guy's already a senator neh ?

19:17

Rand Paul walks awfully close to the traditional "neo-conservative' line

19:17

trinque president can actually fire the entire government. and, logically, any serious president would have to.

19:19

there's a vast bureaucracy he could shut down in a day, yes

19:19

http://www.postandcourier.com/article/20150407/PC16/150409468

19:19

North Charleston officer faces murder charge after video shows him shooting man in back - Post and Courier ... ( http://bit.ly/1O5hOSx )

19:19

it'd probably result in a power struggle with the congress trying to mandate certain shitty programs remain operational

19:19

the thing is, the congress can not tell the president what to do.

19:19

merely what not to do

19:19

and principally through not giving him money.

19:20

as powerless as congress proved itself to be trying to reign in a profilgate obama,

19:20

congress is actually entirely powerless to stop someone who does not wish to spend.

19:20

there's literally nothing anyone can do to force the president to spend money, a bias that actually comes from the olden days that's never been challenged, ever.

19:21

i suppose they could impeach him, of course, but that'll be the lulz of all time. "he was impeached for not spending!!1"

19:21

Emergency Powers Act

19:22

like "honey, i noticed our credit cards aren't even maxed anymore. i thought you promised to go shopping with the girls ? you know what... fuck this, i want a divorce"

19:22

heh could he declare an emergency due to infiltration by communists?

19:22

arrest congress

19:22

Arrest Congress during recess, then don't spend... win

19:22

trinque in similar circumstances yeltsin ordered the duma bombarded.

19:22

he won.

19:22

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y5GVL3xN4KI

19:22

#1993coup: Russian White House burns after being bombarded by tanks - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1O5iur4 )

19:23

*

trinque claps

19:24

I've met his dad several times, and he's the only politician I've enjoyed speaking to

19:26

either Paul would not conceivably stand in the way of bitcoin, among other sane perspectives

19:29

by the time 2016 rolls around, there will be no one nuts enough to 'stand in the way'

19:30

they'll be pointing the hoover dam at a mining farm

19:30

ok, mebbe that's 2036...

19:33

we shall see

19:33

by then the hoover dam might be gone, or the colorado river might be dry

19:35

"In a prototype, aluminum was used to make the negatively-charged anode while graphite provided material for the positively charged cathode. A prototype aluminum battery recharged in one minute, the scientists said."

19:35

trinque anything's possible

19:36

colorado river is already dry when it reaches the grande

19:38

https://www.informatica.com << apparently worth $5.3 bn to canada pension plan and permira

19:38

Informatica: Data integration leader for Big Data & Cloud Analytics ... ( http://bit.ly/1ybMEoR )

19:39

ipad.. check

19:39

<mircea_popescu> trinque president can actually fire the entire government. and, logically, any serious president would have to << and get jfk'd.

19:39

^

19:39

and he only tried to close one ministry.

19:39

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lIzfXOfpFcA

19:39

Jesse Ventura talks about CIA implanted in State Government, his CIA interrogation and trip to Cuba! - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1ybMKgl )

19:39

<pete_dushenski> ... A prototype aluminum battery recharged in one minute, the scientists said." << what charges in 1min, can discharge in 1m.

19:40

there is no counter-argument possible.

19:40

in fact, typically what charges in 1m can discharge in 1ms.

19:40

haha suppose so

19:40

pink meat mist.

19:41

in the vid Jessie Ventura recounts being summoned to the CIA to be questioned after election to the minnesota governorship

19:43

a modern 'jfk' might not be shot, but petraeused or childpronned instead

19:43

depending on the acuteness of the need.

19:43

they know not to let another JFK in to begin with

19:44

and before mircea_popescu observes that 'no one has the balls' - if the 'balls-enabled' jfk appeared, a 'counter-jfk' would materialize out of thin aether

19:44

Ventura mentions the CIA questioning was about "how did you get elected?"

19:44

trinque: ergo we know who -actually- rules usa.

19:44

of course

19:45

the actual government of the USA is a national security secret...

19:48

pete_dushenski: Why did you start me on the ebay wanderings http://www.ebay.com/itm/1981-Chevrolet-C70-Fire-Truck-beautiful-truck-/191549706046?forcerrptr=true&hash=item2c99408f3e&item=191549706046

19:48

1981 Chevrolet C70 Fire Truck Beautiful Truck | eBay ... ( http://bit.ly/1ybNqSU )

19:48

apropos of nothing: https://kmikeym.com/questions/85

19:48

KmikeyM.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1ybNthz )

19:49

ben_vulpes: what is this horror

19:50

"I'll leave this up to your discretion... if you ever put a tail on me again without telling me, you're gonna fine your tail floating in the river. Now you take that back to whoever needs to know it."

19:50

god damn Jessie Ventura is a bad motherfucker.

19:50

*find

19:51

BingoBoingo yw

19:52

pete_dushenski: Seriously http://www.ebay.com/itm/1983-Ford-Tanker-F-800-/191551890188?forcerrptr=true&hash=item2c9961e30c&item=191551890188

19:52

1983 Ford Tanker F 800 | eBay ... ( http://bit.ly/1ybNIJk )

19:53

you're really an emergency vehicle kinda guy eh ?

19:53

lemme guess, childhood wall poster of ghostbusters wagon ?

19:53

pete_dushenski: Maybe, but now I'm just thinking of the pranks they enable

19:54

Also with all of that storage would make a great RV

19:55

Fill the thing up with tents, condoms, and lube and you could have a mobile orgy center

19:56

and hoses for cleaning off after, i could sorta see it if you were into rv'ing

19:56

lol.

19:57

though i'll take a plane and high-end hotel room any day, and i'll still come out ahead on costs compared to 'high-end rv'

19:57

And seriously what isn't to like about a giant toolbox that just happens to have wheels and a motor

19:57

hard to compete with the price of those old beaters tho

19:58

um, other than needing the physical space to store it ?

19:58

if you have a farm, then w/e, but avowed urbanites need not apply

19:59

What is this storage business. This is the thing you store other things in.

20:01

right. in the walmart parking lot where you live.

20:01

I'd live in a sufficiently large vehicle

20:02

you people...

20:02

wouldn't mind getting one of the vw camper vans at some point

20:03

http://www.kansasrvcenter.com/inventory/442567/New-2015-Lifestyle-Luxury-RV-Alfa-Gold-3905SH-Motorcycle-Storage-Area.aspx

20:03

New 2015 Lifestyle Luxury RV Alfa Gold 3905SH Motorcycle Storage Area Fifth Wheels at Kansas RV Center Chanute Kansas Kansas RV Center ... ( http://bit.ly/1Fj8JPb )

20:03

[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 459 @ 0.00274 = 1.2577 BTC [-] {4}

20:03

I like this, if only it had less hippies https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CnHGKUh-5O4

20:03

Unbelievable House Truck Transforms Into Fantasy Castle - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1Fj8N1n )

20:06

Firetruck is immenently useful in post USG world. Break out the hoses on former desk jockeys.

20:06

Also if you get one with a big tank, maybe some money smuggling freshwater into california.

20:07

punkman: I wouldn't mind seeing a non-hippy/burner version of that

20:11

re:monitors https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CB49ad5UIAEqgaO.jpg:large

20:11

... ( http://bit.ly/1ybP8DM )

20:14

asciilifeform: jekyll and hyde in america gone horribly wrong

20:21

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14200 @ 0.00027685 = 3.9313 BTC [+] {2}

20:27

Where's Africa http://pipeline.corante.com/archives/2015/04/07/countries_that_have_developed_a_smallmolecule_drug.php

20:27

Countries That Have Developed A Small-Molecule Drug. In the Pipeline: ... ( http://bit.ly/1ybQoXw )

20:28

!s backbox

20:28

0 results for 'backbox' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=backbox

20:29

!s blackbox

20:29

8 results for 'blackbox' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=blackbox

20:29

was looking for the linux distro..

20:31

http://www.backbox.org/ ???

20:31

Home | BackBox Linux ... ( http://bit.ly/1ybQG0u )

20:32

mhm

20:38

!up nubbins`

20:47

BingoBoingo: there's a reason orlov et al live in boats and not trucks

20:48

asciilifeform: Sure, but I'm not just contemplating trucks, but trucks with flashing lights!

20:48

BingoBoingo: put a snow plow on the front too

20:48

good crowd control

20:48

land vehicles are not only lacking in the distance-from-other-schmucks aspect of the boat, but in usa are specifically (ianal - check with up-to-date sources) excluded from the juridicial definition of 'home' for the purposes of search&seizure

20:49

asciilifeform: Excluded when moving or on a public right of way. when not moving on any private property they can rapidly convert to domicile

20:50

iirc, only if said property is your own

20:50

Maybe.

20:51

Still in international waters pretty much any navy/coast guard reserves the right to conduct colonoscopy

20:51

likewise, if your vehicle contains a toilet - you are more or less stuck at least frequenting the dismal ghettoschwitzes where such machines are typically kept at anchor

20:52

firetrucks don't have toilets, but they have shovels for digging your own toilets as needed

20:52

BingoBoingo: in international waters, they need a reason to take detour

20:52

need is an awfully loaded word considering the incursions on the somali coast by nation-state actors

20:53

BingoBoingo: i've often wondered who will be the first in this century to fill a fire truck with petrol.

20:53

the water tank, that is

20:53

best done on a column of soldiers.

20:53

don't light it!

20:53

I'd be worried about unloading petrol through pump designed for water. Pump might ignite itself

20:53

it usually sinks in, goes the folk story, before anyone fires.

20:54

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6190 @ 0.00026897 = 1.6649 BTC [-] {2}

20:54

surrender - get a shower.

20:55

Just have to avoid the tempation to follow the Roman firefighting tradition

20:55

Builds ill will with the locals

20:58

See Crassus

21:00

(source of the 'flameless flamethrower' stratagem - u.s. grunts in vietnam, applied to rice paddies with hidden men)

21:00

*

asciilifeform wasn't there, cannot vouch for efficacy

21:02

Ah

~ 36 minutes ~

21:38

!up Pierre_Rochard

21:41

asciilifeform ill believe it when i see it.

21:52

http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-04-2015#1091529 << exactly zero chances of that sort of dumb shit to stick.

21:52

Logged on 07-04-2015 23:43:05; asciilifeform: a modern 'jfk' might not be shot, but petraeused or childpronned instead

21:52

it wouldn't stick on anyone else, like p, except they keep confessing like the pastiass dickless shitheads they are.

21:53

http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-04-2015#1091532 << o yea ? somehow i dun see it.

21:53

Logged on 07-04-2015 23:44:14; asciilifeform: and before mircea_popescu observes that 'no one has the balls' - if the 'balls-enabled' jfk appeared, a 'counter-jfk' would materialize out of thin aether

21:55

http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-04-2015#1091539 << what is this dumb shit ?

21:55

Logged on 07-04-2015 23:48:55; ben_vulpes: apropos of nothing: https://kmikeym.com/questions/85

21:57

http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-04-2015#1091555 << not to mention you wouldn't be stuck with the impotent sort of potheads that crowd a "orgy rv" to the point of total cockblockage.

21:57

Logged on 07-04-2015 23:57:31; pete_dushenski: though i'll take a plane and high-end hotel room any day, and i'll still come out ahead on costs compared to 'high-end rv'

21:58

i'm watching "Blackhat" atm, p funny so far

21:59

.cn sysop uses yubikey at his terminal, "he's using gpg encryption... it'll take me at least a month to crack it... it must be at least a 512 bit key"

21:59

er, these are distinct things, but anyway.

22:00

danielpbarron

the kmikeym thing is "the first publically traded person"

22:00

danielpbarron

Of course it's not a real share like you might buy on the NYSE or NASDAQ. There is no company behind KmikeyM and so the "ownership" you hold is actually a just a metaphor for trust. We have built a fully-functional market simulation and we borrow a lot of language and concepts from the business world in order to make the process easy to understand.

22:00

<mircea_popescu> ... << not to mention you wouldn't be stuck with the impotent sort of potheads that crowd a "orgy rv" to the point of total cockblockage. << But... Firetruck. They put the lotion on the skin, or they get the hose again

22:00

yeah. right.

22:01

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20041 @ 0.00027723 = 5.556 BTC [+]

22:04

mats: wut.

22:05

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt2717822 << l0l! apparently - exists

22:05

Blackhat (2015) - IMDb ... ( http://bit.ly/1GJ9RzT )

22:05

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asciilifeform cannot bring himself to watch 'hacking' films newer than 'war games'

22:05

!s zebra hitler

22:05

2 results for 'zebra hitler' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=zebra+hitler

22:07

i never saw a good "hacking" film.

22:07

alw\ays loathed the genre.

22:07

afaik there are none

22:07

nor could there be.

22:09

i was told michael mann is known for making relatively accurate movies

22:09

oh wow these chinese shooters don't know how to clear rooms

22:09

!b 2

22:09

Last 2 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/2GAKKY9.txt )

22:09

who clears rooms by shooting, anyway

22:10

i thought the civilized way was with frag

22:10

civilized way is with four dudes and a perimeter.

22:10

<asciilifeform> i thought the civilized way was with frag << With flash and bang unless you know walls actually protect yourself

22:10

'you enter a room in pairs. first your frag, then you' (ru adage)

22:11

those fatal funnels are a bear.

22:11

TomServo

mircea_popescu: ever seen Sneakers?

22:12

nope

22:12

TomServo

Best 'hacking' movie I can think of.. maybe check it out.

22:12

1992 ?!

22:13

TomServo

That's the one

22:13

robert redford dan akroid ok im not watching this.

22:13

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34137 @ 0.00027034 = 9.2286 BTC [-] {2}

22:13

but thanks for playing.

22:14

magical box that breaks secrets, this isn't a film about hacking, this is scherezade in a "modern" color scheme.

22:14

has as much to do with computers as with aladin.

22:15

somebody (greg egan?) had a short story with such a box, that wasn't utterly retarded

22:16

the catch was that the magical box didn't really break the crypto, but distorted the universe to fit the operator's preconceptions of what the plaintext was.

22:16

to lulzy result.

22:16

this is why i fucking hate sf.

22:17

more woodcollector lulz: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1011340.msg11015914#msg11015914

22:17

[2015-04-03] The 5,000Btc hidden treasure, and the key to finding it. ... ( http://bit.ly/1GJbrls )

22:17

http://trilema.com/2013/so-whos-running-the-courts-circus/#comment-113478 << neato

22:17

So who's running the Courts circus ? on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1GJbrBU )

22:18

yeh.

22:18

mats you rly should add sources to all that, impossibru to follow in snippets like that.

22:20

nubbins` no fucking way. you actually recognized a... WINDOW AND PLUG assembly ?

22:20

sources? the url is appended to the end

22:20

*

nubbins` snaps on hat

22:20

detective nubs

22:20

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21800 @ 0.00027723 = 6.0436 BTC [+]

22:20

the ones that don't, i found on westlaw but not the crawlable internets

22:21

ps. nubbins` : Your an idiot, and that is not the argument i am having.

22:21

HEH

22:21

hanbot

<mircea_popescu> i never saw a good "hacking" film. << for prime cheese: WarGames, 83

22:21

i'm starting to think that it is i who is wc

22:21

hanbot yeah i skipped that.

22:21

mats ah look at that right you are! nice.

22:22

mircea_popescu: mats has been on this for a while. I almost contributed then... qntra. Dude's been digging like mad.

22:22

mats doin that homework

22:22

0 In U.S. v. Scarfo (Criminal Action No. 00404 (NHP)), Politan denied << that one has nothing for instance.

22:23

0 In U.S. v. Friedman (No. 95CR192 (S3)(ARR), < etc. but they do have the indexes so that's pretty good

22:23

what was the problem, no internet available data ?

22:23

no data available on the specific action, usually

22:23

aha.

22:24

usually data available for the relevant case

22:24

;;google B-52 polar growl

22:24

gribble

B-52s fly to North Sea, Arctic for NATO exercise - Air Force Times: <http://www.airforcetimes.com/story/military/2015/04/06/nato-training-b52-arctic/25357999/>; POLAR GROWL strengthens Allied interoperability, essential ...: <http://www.afgsc.af.mil/news/story.asp?id=123444130>; Polar Growl strengthens allied interoperability, bomber navigation ...: (1 more message)

22:24

!rated mats

22:24

You have not rated mats.

22:25

damn, no donations to payout address for task 1.

22:25

why'd i spend all that time looking up judge names anyway ;/

22:25

!rate mats 1 Lotta paralegal work on http://trilema.com/2013/so-whos-running-the-courts-circus/

22:25

Request successful, get your OTP: http://w.b-a.link/otp/7fc091826ba17d09

22:25

So who's running the Courts circus ? on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1GJcsd0 )

22:25

nubbins` i thought it was global ?

22:26

mm?

22:27

people had a way to donate specifically, if they wanted, but the bulk is global.

22:28

ahh, i see

22:28

i'm fairly convinced this project has gone as far as it can go without professional input

22:28

*

nubbins` re-reads actual article

22:29

there is no such thing as "professional"

22:29

!v assbot:mircea_popescu.rate.mats.1:060bf7cf7cce64b6ee03db87caa7bb232b33ee77d9fe4a7c4e07fcbfff58b46d

22:29

Successfully added a rating of 1 for mats with note: Lotta paralegal work on http://trilema.com/2013/so-whos-running-the-courts-circus/

22:30

"and viola Nubbins is a monkeys uncle."

22:30

slowclap.

22:30

morbidly fascinating neh

22:33

well... "the people have rights", right ? and everyone's the same, right ? at which point we can spend forever talking over the internet with clearly disturbed ignorant idiot.

22:36

mats single handedly took on the legal equivalent of pogo linux and won

22:37

mats how much did you spend on this btw ?

22:40

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31900 @ 0.00027602 = 8.805 BTC [-] {2}

22:41

the legal database access was free due to my use of a university's subscription and something in the neighborhood of 400 hours

22:42

:o

22:45

no i meant time

22:46

o.O

22:46

this has to be a meme. mats pic and the caption "i don't always go on research binges on the internet. but when i do, we're talking 400 hours bish!"

22:46

nubbins`: lol, how many accounts does that guy have on the forum

22:47

nubbins` your such an idiot man.

22:47

i did it in my digital print dirivitive. also i added some ants, because it kinda looks like a spider web which makes sense.

22:49

asciilifeform: Alt flameless flamethrower, various ergot products and DMSO

22:50

ants love playing in spider webs

22:51

"i have 0 cookies and am so locked down that i have to log in every time a page changes"

22:52

in the meantime, i realized that another one of his old customers is also into casascius coins, as he bid on my auction

22:52

7.5 proxies.

22:52

so it's uh, not just blazed that paid the guy $$$$ for wood :o

22:52

BingoBoingo: this was considered by various folks (in somewhat different variant) and the answer is that the product breaks down in water unacceptably quickly.

22:52

nubbins` i have my doubts blazed paid him anything.

22:52

more like "here's something, say you paid me a lot for it, it'll look good on both of us"

22:52

sorta like ver "invested" in whatever the shit.

22:53

asciilifeform: Can store seperatley though, especially in complex apparatus with multiple pumps and tanks

22:53

<BingoBoingo> mats single handedly took on the legal equivalent of pogo linux and won << considerably more interesting than pogo linux

22:53

different things, not serializable.

22:53

(which, after all, is a pretty standard 'we have a router, now let's a linux' affair)

22:54

"I'm calling you out on this one, answer or lose whatever credibility you had because there is 1 MILLION percent no way you have a single shred of proof that i am anyone or anything especially some guy in vietnam who sells wooden shit and if you ain't going to back up your BS i will rally every single body that you pulled your fake "probable alt of _____________" and lead a campaign of ensuring you never have the credi

22:54

bility to do it again."

22:54

where's the threat post...

22:54

tilt

22:55

badbear being i suppose one of the very few people who managed to wade through the tardsforum and more or less retain some sort of credibility.

22:56

lel here's another alt: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=423829.msg4629992#msg4629992

22:56

I need your creativity for 2 minutes PLEASE ... ( http://bit.ly/1GJgoe0 )

22:57

bitcoinsociety@yahoo.com was the email used to register the weird cats website, as well as a bunch of random asic mining-related domains

22:57

:S

22:57

when did sc4mz0rz stop using 'reg by proxy' services ?

22:57

"I have decided to use half my bitcoin ( about 3,300 coins ) to form a self funded organization with the sole purpose of helping to spread information about bitcoin to the world through mass media, local "troops" or small groups, a website, blog, billboards, magazine ad's, TV. and whatever else 3,300 bitcoins will afford me."

22:57

i mean, wtf, elementary

23:01

"Guerilla marketing is probably the most effective means, vinyl stickers at urinals on mirrors under drive thru windows under the drive thru speaker bumper stickers and the great thing about bitcoin is the stickers could actually have a qr code that links you to some free satoshis so people that never considered buying bitcoin just have to pull out there phone"

23:01

good thread

23:02

check it out, it's like 2011.

23:02

2011 or 1981, I mean stickers?!

23:02

when all the world is young lad, and every scribble a business plan...

23:03

"Nitrogen i totally agree with you on the gorilla marketing idea, I have had lots of ideas on how to move forward, but lost myself in aggravation for 2 days not being able to name it."

23:04

http://trilema.com/2013/a-deal-can-be-anything/

23:04

A deal can be anything. on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1yTVkee )

23:05

heh

23:05

the marvel is not the continued existence of the woodcollectors, as such, but of the plankton they eat

23:05

i give up, it's socks all the way down

23:06

guy makes socks to call out his other socks for being socks

23:06

\o/

23:06

the wonders of a living wage, and generaly welfare etatism.

23:06

people gotta do *something* with all that time.

23:06

dirivitives.

23:06

mircea_popescu: i'd be surprised if this character didn't have a grueling day job

23:07

grueling day job and time to make 250 forum accounts?

23:07

his wife/mother supports him.

23:07

women are fucking dumb like that.

23:07

recall the case of the "forum banker" dude ?

23:07

cartels, stuff ?

23:07

grueling day job could easily be -where- he made 250 accounts

23:07

^

23:07

not on official orders, naturally

23:07

then not grueling

23:07

but while waiting for bell to ring

23:08

http://trilema.com/2012/bitcoin-lolcows-the-musical-today-kludge/

23:08

Bitcoin Lolcows, the musical. Today, Kludge on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1GJhNB6 )

23:08

more like browsing job

23:08

grueling day job walking the aisles, looking for shoplifters

23:08

nubbins`: can you picture how many folks are paid to sit (not necessarily even at a computer, could be a pNohe in one hand) and wait for a bell to ring ?

23:08

actually no i'd say he's a full time scammer

23:08

the wood coins, the digital prints, the cats for sale, the bullets...

23:09

he gets enough dribbles from actual suckers to make it worth doing

23:09

then - not a 'welfare case', no ?

23:09

asciilifeform guy's not doing anything sueful. he's too broadly illiterate to ever be able to get a job, and his attitude precludes the sort of job you're thinking about.

23:09

his manager would basically make him crawl six hours a day.

23:09

prob on social assistance, prob supplementing it with scams.

23:09

prob sells dope too.

23:09

nubbins` not even. just, full time internet imbecile. like a "wikipedia editor" or something.

23:09

"twitter famous"

23:10

mircea_popescu: he could easily be something like a sysadmin

23:10

or some other 'guardhouse' type

23:10

and i bet you he does not. he gets enough dribbles in the sense of, attention, to keep whatever unfortunate woman paying the bills.

23:10

sysadmin who smokes and owns a lathe?

23:10

asciilifeform sysadmin ? DUDE

23:10

although

23:10

gtfo already. sysadmins CAN SPELL

23:10

his hands do look purdy.

23:10

tf

23:10

*

asciilifeform was once a sysadmin

23:10

df

23:10

WTF WAS IT

23:10

msaux

23:10

nado stuff.txt

23:11

hisbory | greb "wut u sae"

23:11

heu

23:11

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/power-company-investigated-after-carbon-monoxide-kills-family/ < speaking of welfare state. derp decided to stop paying power bill, power was cut, derp then decided to run gas generator inside the house, killed self and offspring

23:11

Power company investigated after carbon monoxide kills family - CBS News ... ( http://bit.ly/1GJig6z )

23:11

^ l0l saw that earlier

23:11

darwin nominee

23:11

power company should get subsidy.

23:11

"$1000 for each head"

23:12

Todd had received assistance paying his utility bills in the past, but did not apply for help this year, said Tom VanLandingham, who directs the Office of Home Energy Programs in Somerset County. Families can apply once a year, and assistance is based on household income and energy use, among other factors. "We're all kind of baffled as to why he did not apply this year ... that's the million-dollar question," VanLandingham said

23:12

before the utility's announcement.

23:12

lol

23:12

interesting detail that it was generator and not a stove

23:12

typically they try to set up a stove and gasenwagen

23:12

so in the us, you can work to pay usg tax, or work to beg from usg

23:13

http://imgur.com/7w3WLGo

23:13

Imgur ... ( http://bit.ly/1GJir1F )

23:13

^ i suppose those qualify as sysadmin hands

23:13

"Court records identified the boys as Cameron and ZhiHeem, and the girls as Tyjuziana, Tykeria, Tynijuzia, TyNiah and Tybreyia. "

23:13

nubbins` imo looks like a woman's hand.

23:13

^^

23:13

that was my thought

23:13

me too

23:13

yeah, harem agrees. that's a woman.

23:14

is the ring finger shorter than the index?

23:14

actually, i'l; go on a limb and say that is THE woman.

23:14

^ iirc that heuristic doesn't werk

23:14

guy is "managing" her, they make up "a team". he's the "marketeer" because he "can bullshit"

23:14

asciilifeform: sure it does

23:15

"Tyjuziana, Tykeria, Tynijuzia, TyNiah and Tybreyia." << ;/

23:15

who wouldn't want to try out an orgy with these five ?

23:15

decimation: which way was it supposed to work again ?

23:15

http://discovermagazine.com/2013/may/04-finger-length-ratio-can-predict-aggressive-behavior-and-risk-of-disease

23:15

Finger Length Predicts Health and Behavior | DiscoverMagazine.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1yTWzKw )

23:16

<mircea_popescu> recall the case of the "forum banker" dude ? << Kludge!!!

23:16

longer ring finger = more manly

23:16

and by "predict" we mean "random correlations"

23:16

BingoBoingo ayup

23:17

in other news, http://41.media.tumblr.com/e42e4ae7dee18106d5e60a02bfeae56c/tumblr_ng1mlr62AZ1sovis0o1_1280.jpg

23:17

... ( http://bit.ly/1yTWGWh )

23:17

decimation: i oughta be a eunuch if it were true

23:17

you have a longer index finger?

23:18

aha

23:18

supposedly one study found it correlated with prenatal testosterone

23:18

i remember reading this crap years ago and calling bull

23:19

maybe we oughta do phrenology next

23:20

if by it you mean "this looks like a woman's face" ?

23:20

it makes considerably more sense on the surface than the finger thing

23:21

the weird thing about woodsc4mz0r's hands is the lack of whiskers

23:22

(perhaps he did feynman's magic trick with petrol hands one too many times?)

23:23

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2732043/

23:23

Human 2D (index) and 4D (ring) finger lengths and ratios: cross-sectional data on linear growth patterns, sexual dimorphism and lateral asymmetry from 4 to 60 years of age ... ( http://bit.ly/1GJjI8W )

23:23

are you left handed ascii?

23:23

nope

23:25

it's amusing to me that this is actually a controversial point

23:25

how hard would it be to recruit a few thousand people to get a hand xray on a calibrated machine

23:25

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 46850 @ 0.00027894 = 13.0683 BTC [+] {2}

23:25

*

BingoBoingo is alternately left or right handed depending on the task at... hand

23:25

apparently 'medical researchers' have better things to do

23:26

decimation: no need for xray, just buy off some outfit that handles 'palmprint' door locks for usg

23:26

heh

23:27

yeah a camera under glass would work

23:31

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13250 @ 0.00027163 = 3.5991 BTC [-] {2}

23:37

asciilifeform: reading more about the ubiquiti thing, it's not obvious to me that replacing with freebsd would do anything

23:37

one would have to replace the bootloader, and apparently they are refusing to release their mods to u-boot source code

23:37

decimation: it gets rid of the read-only mtd

23:38

decimation: you don't need their mods, except if you're working on exposing the particulars of the fraud

23:38

decimation: just build from scratch as i did for 'pogo'

23:40

asciilifeform: aye, would have to dick around with u-boot and the data sheet

23:41

http://baltimore.cbslocal.com/2015/04/07/major-power-outage-in-dc-affecting-umd-white-house/ < But it was a 230,000 volt line that shorted. Partially charred ceramic insulators show electric crews what went wrong at a Charles County switching station, causing midday confusion and triggering a widespread blackout across D.C. and its suburbs.

23:41

Pepco: Downed Transmission Line Responsible For D.C. Power Outages « CBS Baltimore ... ( http://bit.ly/1GJlXJs )

23:41

it's rare that a major distribution line fails like that

23:41

they are supposed to inspect those for exactly this kind of issue

23:42

^ the power line was probably coming from the nuke plant on the chesapeake bay

23:43

decimation: Last summer My town suffered a 12+ hour blackout because the largest incoming transmission line melted

23:44

the 'one fallen wire' story is a lie of omission

23:44

there is normally redundancy in the grid.

23:44

the 'one wire,' even if true, can only be the 'straw that broke camel's back'

23:44

yeah, that's a good point

23:45

none of the mouthpieces will discuss this, no surprise

23:45

but it remains.

23:46

asciilifeform if the line falls right out of the transformer, like first 100 feet, it may cut it out

23:48

http://www.utilitydive.com/news/cascading-outages-hit-maryland-and-dc-conflicting-reports-emerge-over-caus/384088/

23:48

Cascading outages hit Maryland and DC; conflicting reports emerge over cause | Utility Dive ... ( http://bit.ly/1GJmNG3 )

23:48

it does sound like someone fucked up

23:48

beyond the line failure

23:48

or chinese '3 point' test.

23:49

asciilifeform btw, turns out luxury not so luxurious after all ?

23:49

re: earlier discussion about power generation

23:49

<asciilifeform> the 'one wire,' even if true, can only be the 'straw that broke camel's back' << It was August during peak consumption. Amren stopped delivering anything through the town's 5 MW backup line so the 30 MW transmission line failed at 38.5 MW and started a small swiftly contained brush fire. (/me thinks he got the units right)

23:49

mircea_popescu: i heard nothing about caviar spoiling in the fridges at 'lockheed' or 'raytheon'

23:49

actually I think the end result is going to be a mass migration away from centralized power to solar

23:49

asciilifeform white house was out of power.

23:49

solar has dropped to $3 per watt installed

23:50

dja understand how un-american htis is ?

23:50

mircea_popescu: whorehouse was also out of power, i bet

23:50

in certain areas of the us, you could buy enough solar panels to power yourself indefinitely for the price of a car

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"However, there were also multiple reports about an explosion or fire, including a reported explosion at a southern Maryland power plant. "

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decimation: power in the middle of a clear day, sure

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odds are this was a successful terrorist hit, actually.

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decimation: when not including airconditioner

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exactly matches the denial pattern

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asciilifeform: yeah, I'm including overage

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<decimation> actually I think the end result is going to be a mass migration away from centralized power to solar << local hillbill town is about to add solar farm on abandoned manufactering ground to supplement diesel, on coop's dime

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obviously one needs batteries, and that's the rub right nwo

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NiFe Ftw

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"Pepco cited a "dip in voltage" as the cause of the outage in its release." derp. the cause of the outage was caused by the cause of the causative agent.

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right, what that means is "Pepco said some stuff, hoping folks would quit asking"

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generally the strategy for utilities is to smile and nod, and wait until next week when nobody gives a shit

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this was actually bombed.

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"A Charles County, Maryland official confirmed to Utility Dive that an explosion occurred at a substation. However, CBS reported that their sources tell them there was no explosion at all, while the Associated Press reported that the explosion occurred at a power plant."

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there is -always- explosion at substation!

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this is what happens on overload

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three people three stories and fractured exactly on the lines of, local authority | propaganda mouthpiece | international agency

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