#trilema | 2015-03-29

apparently Arduino is self-destructing in a trademark lawsuit drama

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i can't help but think of 'aradruin' when i see it

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always.

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well, orodruin

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in the original.

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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 63678 @ 0.00026891 = 17.1237 BTC [+]

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hehe yeah it's kind of a dumb name

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http://hackaday.com/2015/03/12/arduino-v-arduino-part-ii/

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Arduino v Arduino: Part II | Hackaday ... ( http://bit.ly/1FY372i )

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"In short, there are two companies calling themselves “Arduino” at the moment. One, Arduino LLC was founded by [Massimo Banzi], [David Cuartielles], [David Mellis], [Tom Igoe] and [Gianluca Martino] in 2009, runs the website arduino.cc, and has been directing and releasing the code that makes it all work. Most of these folks had been working together on what would become the Arduino project since as early as 2005."

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almost as good as apple v apple

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"The other “Arduino” used to be called Smart Projects and was the manufacturing arm of the project founded and run by [Gianluca Martino]. Smart Projects changed their name to Arduino SRL in November 2014. (A “Società a responsabilità limitata” is one form of Italian limited-liability company.) They have been a major producer of Arduino boards from the very beginning and recently registered the domain arduino.org."

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basically a group of 5 italians disagree about who should profit on the whole affair

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the lesson perhaps being: don't use a microcontroller you can't find the vhdl for

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http://opencores.org/project,cpu6502_true_cycle < lol can build "Apple ][+ SoC"

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cpu6502_tc - R6502 Processor Soft Core with accurate timing :: Overview :: OpenCores ... ( http://bit.ly/1yomtpA )

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asciilifeform: okay it it successfully built on my gcc-4.6 rhel6 box

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I can't test it, but there were no bad-looking warnings

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with that I must retire

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!down decimation

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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12600 @ 0.00026758 = 3.3715 BTC [-] {3}

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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 101004 @ 0.00026648 = 26.9155 BTC [-]

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http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-03-2015#1078620 << i was just reading that

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Logged on 29-03-2015 04:01:26; decimation: apparently Arduino is self-destructing in a trademark lawsuit drama

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so here's an idle thought : one could import apple into the pogo, create an autovote application for 20 dollars a device

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drive the chinese farms out of the business of creating fake "users" and "reviews" and whatnot for the sv bezzleworld.

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aha

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variable width text in irc!

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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 68900 @ 0.0002617 = 18.0311 BTC [-] {2}

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monospaced for the win!

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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 43840 @ 0.00026124 = 11.4528 BTC [-] {2}

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01:52

for coding, sure

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not for rapid reading.

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muh wordshapes

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Chillum: it bears mentioning that i use the same rendering stack for irc as i do for programming

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i use monospace

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monospace for irc and programming

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i'm experimenting.

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stay away from me with your old-man-pinions

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lolk

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if they're good i'll get there on my own

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*

ben_vulpes goes off to piss on fences

02:05

"is this one electrified?"

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i use papyrus for programming and verdana for irc

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LEL JK

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you probably use comic with and comic sans

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comic avec

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get with the program

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comic noir?

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comic neue

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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 114881 @ 0.00026263 = 30.1712 BTC [+] {2}

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actually too hammed to type, congrats alf, your likeness will be cast in bronze some day

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comic nude and comic black

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like stockings.

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"you can make even bullet out of frozen shit - but for alf likeliness must use bronze!"

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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25487 @ 0.00026263 = 6.6937 BTC [+]

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wing dings'

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fluffypony: people can be total retards especially on reddit. And btcxchange.ro wasn't hacked! It was closed down by its bussiness owner like a retard.

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hi o/

02:39

hi Naphex

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fluffypony

Naphex: they're retarded

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yo Naphex

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how's the meat trade ?

03:20

mircea_popescu going good. going into pre-registers while using the amount of time left to polish :D

03:21

i was gonna send that indian chick your way but then you weren't online

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no worries. had to switch servers and DC's

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oh ?

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i tried out some BTC provider and they had a stupid rule of cutting the upstream when you get more then 65k packets/s

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lol

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so i just stopped the contract and moved to a normal DC

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prolly some reseller.

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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22650 @ 0.00026217 = 5.9382 BTC [-]

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you really wanna colocate for stuff like that

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yeah fixed. was a failed attempt to try to get a staging env faster

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no rush anyway. cunt's not going anywhere.

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mircea_popescu: http://xotika.tv

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went into pre-registering and some pub. pretty good so far

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100+ regs

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;;later tell indiancandy1 talk to naphex, he's launching a new site. http://xotika.tv

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03:25

The operation succeeded.

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we'll also have product presentation and some other fun stuff at http://www.awsummit.com/ro/ ;p

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uh. what's this, aro rip of aws ?!

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oddly, no tits.

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platinum eh ? wd.

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gotta hit em high :P

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ahaha "luxuriate yourself"

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epic.

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:D

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!up rotarydialer

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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 112958 @ 0.00026535 = 29.9734 BTC [+] {2}

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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18342 @ 0.00027119 = 4.9742 BTC [+]

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[HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 387 @ 0.02 = 7.74 BTC [-] {2}

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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 68408 @ 0.00026949 = 18.4353 BTC [-] {2}

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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 214925 @ 0.00027336 = 58.7519 BTC [+] {2}

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http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-03-2015#1078206 yes, that was the joke :)

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Logged on 29-03-2015 00:34:21; mod6: <+jurov> my mom was using "husqvarna" << they make my favorite chainsaws / best chainsaws imho

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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 39360 @ 0.00027718 = 10.9098 BTC [+] {2}

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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 70500 @ 0.00027755 = 19.5673 BTC [+]

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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 275040 @ 0.00028098 = 77.2807 BTC [+]

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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 65200 @ 0.00026672 = 17.3901 BTC [-] {2}

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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 62094 @ 0.00027509 = 17.0814 BTC [+]

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!s ada examples

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1 results for 'ada examples' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=ada+examples

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re: freezing buildroot config in time

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"The various tarballs that are downloaded by Buildroot are all stored in BR2_DL_DIR, which by default is the dl directory. If you want to keep a complete version of Buildroot which is known to be working with the associated tarballs, you can make a copy of this directory. This will allow you to regenerate the toolchain and the target filesystem with exactly the same versions."

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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 100200 @ 0.00027464 = 27.5189 BTC [-] {2}

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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11200 @ 0.0002812 = 3.1494 BTC [+]

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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 99750 @ 0.00027432 = 27.3634 BTC [-] {2}

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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21400 @ 0.00027278 = 5.8375 BTC [-]

11:31

Good morning

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hi

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although technically afternoon here

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well it is technically morning here

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too early even

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*

Chillum goes to make coffee

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nubbins`: all stored in BR2_DL_DIR << we got this last night, yes

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nubbins`: i posted sha512's for my set, also.

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(see log)

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beaut

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[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 400 @ 0.00332811 = 1.3312 BTC [-]

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gonna cave and set up a gentoo install on usb stick here later today

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nubbins`: gentoo for what

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macbook

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bbl!

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found a few other minor omissions in the build

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vgaarb is enabled (there is no vga, naturally) - missed this in the cleanup

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also need to set mac address of the nic

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otherwise all pogos will have the same one (it is not stored in any kind of nonvolatile memory)

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i will suggest that all subsequent patches for buildroot per se, be published as diffs from the one i posted last night

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rather than a mega-turd each, if diffing from a virginal buildroot

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did we ever get anywhere in the ntp-or-not debate ?

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i did not include ntp

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but the result is that the machine time is epoch 0 on boot.

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(clock does run monotonically after boot)

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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 81850 @ 0.000262 = 21.4447 BTC [-] {3}

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http://cryptome.org/2015/03/merrill-019.pdf << interesting re: 'national security letters'

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... ( http://bit.ly/1IaezFl )

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I don't trust pdfs, so many vulnerabilities in the past

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not on this computer at least ;)

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Chillum: if you own a machine used specifically for executing malware, very convenient for this purpose.

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I have a live cd and a laptop with no other storage I use for such things

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read only cd-rom!

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I also use open wifi near my place so I don't expose my netwrok

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I have seen sniffing software installed on routers before

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they can go from your malware friendly computer, root your router and live there between you and the internet

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why so few nerds set up their own linux router?

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openwrt can be rooted too, particularly from the internal network

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much harder though

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how?

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If I told everyone it would get patched

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i can understnd if you have old samba open or so

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...lol

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hint: look at past reoccurring vulnerabilities that have been fixed and keep coming back

12:19

regression is a bitch

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hacking routers is good practice. They don't fight back

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*

Chillum designs a router that fights back!

12:21

punkman

I looked into something that'd replace my modem/router but it seems I'll have to build a mini-itx or something

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miniitx is dandy

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Routers are a sad state of affair. Something like 70% of consumer wifi routers in the wild are vulnerable to heartbleed

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it is the linux box that nobody upgrades!

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buy an edgerouter lite and tell your isp to send you a plain ol modem

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most run arch linux under the hood, often about 10 years old

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that's why nerds should maintain them themselves, and i don't mean reflash openwrt and forget

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thats not true at all

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just based off what I have seen in the wild around here

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czechs took the router problem to their own hands: https://www.turris.cz/en/

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Home :: Project:Turris ... ( http://bit.ly/1IalIpf )

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I sort of want to make a portable rasp-pi that automatically roots and then secures wifi routers, as a public service

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"secures" how?

12:28

erase the eprom

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haha

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gotta fail in a safe mode after all

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will get replaces with just different turd

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*replaced

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there is always another turd around the corner, it is the circle of life

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<+Chillum> If I told everyone it would get patched <<< lel

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punkman

"if you see something, say something" :P

12:41

"snitches get stitches"

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lol

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oglafbot

http://oglaf.com/cyrano/

12:41

Cyrano ... ( http://bit.ly/1IapoHE )

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<Chillum> Routers are a sad state of affair. Something like 70% of consumer wifi routers in the wild are vulnerable to heartbleed << and a fella who knows this, is still fond of ssl ? amazing

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AMAZING COMPANY!

12:48

let it go

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no.

12:49

most protocols have had a vulnerability at some point. Heartbleed was a bug in openssl, not a bug in ssl

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lol

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implementation vs protocol

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Chillum: i'm not certain that any of the #b-a regulars believe it to have been a bug.

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i very much do not.

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okay, gub'mint backdoor then

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the math is solid regardless of implementation failures/sabotage

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until quantum computers are a thing

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ssl spec is too complicated, hence inevitably buggy implementations

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it is rather like pointing to a grain of sand in a turd, and advocating shit as a construction material because 'that grain is solid'

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okay, ssl sucks

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sure

12:51

!gettrust Chillum

12:51

Trust relationship from user mats to user Chillum: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. | http://w.b-a.link/trust/mats/Chillum | http://w.b-a.link/user/Chillum

12:52

what about TLS?

12:52

if you take out key management and such, how do you feel about the actual crypto?

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the actual crypto is buried at the far bottom of a deep, deep tank of liquid shit.

12:53

a lot of routers don't even use SSL

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Chillum: if it has a www configurator of any kind, it's consumer garbage

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adult router is configured over a dedicated serial port

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the whole hierarchy of trust used to issue certs is of course bunk

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chetty

<Chillum> the whole hierarchy of trust used to issue certs is of course bunk// for some reason when I read that I wondered if anyone would trust a cert issued by Obama? If not why would you accept one from any 'lesser' authority in the same chain?

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^

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I generally sign my own keys based on my own master cert

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you don't have to put verisign at the top

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Chillum: i take it you are the only one accessing the systems in question ?

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Chillum: if so, why not stick to the considerably less dysfunctional ssh ?

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it would be a way to go

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though not with port forwarding

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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 126250 @ 0.00025871 = 32.6621 BTC [-] {2}

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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 73000 @ 0.00025826 = 18.853 BTC [-]

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trinque ERROR: unknown (Most likely my bitcoind stopped working or this page is too large/complex.) < ?

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http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-03-2015#1078726 << til jurov has a favourite... chainsaw ?!

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Logged on 29-03-2015 11:21:32; jurov: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-03-2015#1078206 yes, that was the joke :)

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scary shit, dude.

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http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-03-2015#1078759 << lol, just randomize it. o... wait...

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Logged on 29-03-2015 15:45:38; asciilifeform: otherwise all pogos will have the same one (it is not stored in any kind of nonvolatile memory)

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ahaha

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mircea_popescu: many folks use mac addrs in routing tables

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http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-03-2015#1078762 << i dun recall it ever being a debate, vast consensus against it.

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Logged on 29-03-2015 15:48:55; asciilifeform: did we ever get anywhere in the ntp-or-not debate ?

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incidentally, the upnp demon will need to be thrown in

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asciilifeform no i know, i was just amused at ther possible solutions :D

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at least in the civilian version

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i am very much against allowing it into bitcoind per se

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let it run as own user.

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http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-03-2015#1078769 << check it out ? neither do we. ongoing bitchfest about "pls to convert" scattered in logs.

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Logged on 29-03-2015 15:59:56; Chillum: I don't trust pdfs, so many vulnerabilities in the past

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asciilifeform allowing who into bitcoind ?

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upnp buggerer

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you know, that one

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that opens ports on crapsumer routers

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make a unpnp user ? sorta like apache's, "nobody" ? :D

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aha

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i dun't see why not. "numbnuts" ?

13:57

thing is, this is a little more complicated than appears

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because it needs to know when it must attempt upnp and when not

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you can open ports on a lot of routers by using ajax to make a http post that looks like IRC commands

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its a feature!

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Chillum hm ?

13:57

the traditional bitcoind (see code) asked a peer to attempt connect-back on 8333

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some routers automatically open a port when they see a DCC command on sent from an internal computer on an IRC port

13:58

Chillum is speaking of a 'pheature' found on particularly imbecilic consumer routers

13:58

javascript can induce a browser to send a post that tricks the router into thinking it is that

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circa '00-'05

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Chillum ah yes, that. but this wouldn't really be a browser anyway.

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it does speak of the ancient and great power of the irc, tho.

13:59

auto port-forwarding is almost always a bad idea

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something the imbecillians (is it ok if i refer to people born in the 80s as the imbecillians, given the poor results discussed yest ? generation y seems improper) all forgot.

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*

asciilifeform circa '80s but does not object to this

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lol

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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 80200 @ 0.00026049 = 20.8913 BTC [+]

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http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-03-2015#1078784 << this is actually exactly how a living is earned in this space.

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Logged on 29-03-2015 16:19:20; Chillum: hint: look at past reoccurring vulnerabilities that have been fixed and keep coming back

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you don't have to be a genius and read machine code to find new holes. that's for alfs.

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what you do is, you look for zombies. all it takes is a good archive of vulns and a working grep. then you take your chances.

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it's better yield than spam, that's for sure.

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http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-03-2015#1078811 << ahaha, duuuude...

14:11

Logged on 29-03-2015 16:41:45; oglafbot: http://oglaf.com/cyrano/

14:11

it occurs to me... don't these dating speshulists sound very much like the classical shaman ? "you are under a terrible dark curse kind sir" "i will fix it".

14:11

.... aaaaand...

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http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-March/000076.html

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... ( http://bit.ly/1ElPEkl )

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Pogotron v2.

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if placebo works, get paid. if it doesn't... "some DARKER force than my powers..."

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o hai pogotron!

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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 300750 @ 0.0002724 = 81.9243 BTC [+] {6}

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hahaha so the husqvarna joke works well

14:12

this one isn't as neat as it sounds. i thought BR_PACKAGE_UBOOT_TOOLS will add with fw_xxxxx on the target rootfs but seems like no. these will have to be added as packages

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even if i wrote it was *not* one

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what i wanted to do was to build something suitable for reflashing into virginal pogos for dev work

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but this is not -quite- it.

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it -does- contain nandread and nandwrite.

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hm.

14:13

still built as monolithic kernel with rootfs-in-ram, deliberately

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but anyone who wants to, -can- flash this into nand in place of existing kernel

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http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-03-2015#1078817 << heartbleed was a bug in PKI. outright.

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Logged on 29-03-2015 16:49:24; Chillum: most protocols have had a vulnerability at some point. Heartbleed was a bug in openssl, not a bug in ssl

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and it'll boot.

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and you can upgrade from inside it

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the bug in pki is that any system designed or proposed by any party other than us is security poison.

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^

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'кто не с нами тот против нас' (TM)

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a cognate of any claim to authority on any matter not deriving from la serenissima is both fraudulent and actionable.

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b94fb4736e0fa1394784d1139fe8262df450bb945c846e6bd1eda70d2c55679ccf8b7679e08c10d00aaf3dbebf9245875f3001654cf48ce5d1ac4e3c0cffce84 turdel_latest.gz

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http://www.loper-os.org/pub/turdel_latest.gz

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^ what comes out after v2 patch.

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^ this can replace arch and debian now, which folks have been using

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if you copy the uboot tools to a writable external disk

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nand - can be operated from inside this turdel.

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can safely toss the pieces of shit with systemd, etc. now.

14:19

;;ticker

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incidentally, the uboot fw_xxxx tools are very simple:

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;;market buy 15000

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the config thing lives at a certain offset (forget where) in mtd0

14:20

Bitfinex | A market order to buy 15000 bitcoins right now would take 4130303.4623 USD and would take the last price up to 344.9000 USD, resulting in an average price of 275.3536 USD/BTC. | Data vintage: 0.0044 seconds

14:20

where uboot lives

14:20

the fw_printenv thing simply dumps the text found therein

14:21

fw_setenv reflashes those blocks to hold new text

14:21

;;market buy --market bitstamp 15000

14:21

Bitstamp | This order would exceed the size of the order book. You would buy 10726.054 bitcoins, for a total of 12929272.3986 USD and take the price to 99999.0000. | Data vintage: 0.0557 seconds

14:21

http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-03-2015#1078823 << there's no math behind either ssl or pki, or the usg for that matter. they are political arrangements, "sets of procedures and people" and whatnot.

14:21

Logged on 29-03-2015 16:50:28; Chillum: the math is solid regardless of implementation failures/sabotage

14:21

^ so in principle these can be reimplemented with the nand tools i have included.

14:21

they just happen to be the wrong policies by the wrong people for the wrong purposes is all.

14:21

;;market buy --market btcchina 15000

14:21

BTCChina | This order would exceed the size of the order book. You would buy 9299.7167 bitcoins, for a total of 648197043008.7280 USD and take the price to 16100000000000.0000. | Data vintage: 0.0283 seconds

14:21

are you arguing with a recording of me?

14:21

mircea_popescu: i think he was speaking of rsa per se

14:22

lol

14:22

Chillum i'm just going through the logs. pretty much everyone here reads the whole shebang.

14:22

okay

14:22

asciilifeform rsa per se is not even really involved in all this o.O

14:22

i thought most certs were ecdsa

14:22

Chillum: we routinely 'argue with recordings' of one another. this is how #b-a folk handle the fact that not everyone lives at his computer

14:22

fair enough

14:23

permanent log online + gribble ;;later tell for noobs - > wunderbar system of thought management.

14:23

which is what the forum oughta be.

14:23

*

Adlai is amazed that any channels survive with "no public logs" policies

14:24

a scrap of permanence in an impermanent universe

14:24

have you seen the content ?

14:24

Adlai: kindergartens and mental asylums also, afaik, don't keep logs

14:24

yet survive.

14:24

exactly this.

14:24

i participated in a bdsm chan for a few days, it was painful.

14:25

generally the participants of such institutions only attend due to coercion, whether physical or implied

14:25

90% of lines were "hello x", 90% of the remainder "so how's it going". maybe 1 in 4 hello-handshakes succeeded, and less than 1 in 100 went past 2nd pass.

14:25

the general depth of conversation mirrored quite exactly the office.

14:25

Adlai stupidity is coercitive, wheter obviously so or not.

14:26

chetty

<mircea_popescu> 90% of lines were "hello x", 90% of the remainder "so how's it going". maybe 1 in 4 hello-handshakes succeeded, and less than 1 in 100 went past 2nd pass.//roughly matching avg. attention spans

14:26

quite.

14:27

leaving us to wonder whether the stupid tools drive the stupidity of the people, or stem from the stupidity of the people involved.

14:27

"is luser luser because on windoze, or is on windoze because luser ?"

14:27

symbiotic convergence idiocy

14:27

this should be a term of art.

14:28

and i mean... the fact that us young adults score worse than anyone else is not a direct product. they worked to get there : the school's so dumb, why learn ; the kids aren't learning anyway why not make it dumber... 30 years later in this process the fucking mit grads can't make a flashlight

14:28

they ALL own fleshlights tho.

14:28

Made in China™

14:29

well yeah. some patriarchy somewhere.

14:31

s/i/oniz/

14:31

umm... patronizarchy ?

14:33

yeh, rule by the patrons. those who can afford to patronize, as opposed to - serfs

14:33

if this worked teh us'd be numero uno.

14:33

rule by dude farmer is not functionable sadly.

14:33

last i checked, farmer = serf

14:34

dude farmer is a term of art from back in the day the us mattered.

14:34

ie, rich guy back east, went west to start a farm, sucked at it.

14:36

<+asciilifeform> mircea_popescu: many folks use mac addrs in routing tables <<< this

14:36

doesn't sound like a Patron of the Arts to me

14:37

patron-client relationship is what i tought you meant, off the ancient post-imperial and late-imperial model.

14:37

mircea_popescu: "is luser luser because on windoze, << the older version of this was, iirc, 'do styes make pigs' ?

14:38

but anyway, even wioth the arts, the distinction holds : the patron has no particular taste, merely money and friends.

14:38

<+Chillum> you can open ports on a lot of routers by using ajax to make a http post that looks like IRC commands <<< this is actually how you root the pogo without attaching a serial cable

14:38

asciilifeform but there is genetic indication of suinity.

14:41

30 years later in this process the fucking mit grads can't make a flashlight << aha

14:41

!s flashlight

14:41

32 results for 'flashlight' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=flashlight

14:42

l0l where did it go

14:42

nubbins`: neat, I assume you open the telnet port?

14:42

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ve23i5K334

14:42

MIT genuises with lightbulb - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1CzOqQj )

14:42

^^^

14:43

Chillum: stock pogo comes with 'dropbear', a miniature sshd

14:43

so you open the port to ssh, but how do you get root?

14:43

it really is a great montage that, what with the bovine derping about how "we ARE" etc.

14:44

same password on each one?

14:44

mircea_popescu: i can think of an alternate hypothesis about the flashlight thing

14:44

probably a few, including videofraud . but tell ?

14:44

'I have had a chance to observe quite a few companies in the U.S. from the inside, and have spotted a certain constancy in the staffing profile. At the top, there is a group of highly compensated senior lunch-eaters. They tend to spend all of their time pleasing each other in various ways, big and small. They often hold advanced degrees in disciplines such as Technical Schmoozing and Relativistic Bean-counting. They are obsess

14:44

ive on the subject of money, and cultivate a posh country set atmosphere, even if they are just one generation out of the coal mines. Ask them to solve a technical problem and they will politely demur, often taking the opportunity to flash their wit with a self-deprecating joke or two. ... The natives at the top always try to standardize the job descriptions and lower the pay scale of the immigrants at the bottom, playing

14:44

them against each other, while trying to portray themselves as super-achieving entrepreneurial mavericks who can't be pinned down to a mere set of marketable skills.'

14:45

from orlov's 'lessons' ( http://www.fromthewilderness.com/free/ww3/062805_soviet_lessons_part2.shtml )

14:45

Post-Soviet Lessons for a Post-American Century Part II ... ( http://bit.ly/1CzOOy9 )

14:45

it is 'declasse' to admit that you can make a flashlight, at a 'sprezzatura' wankfest

14:45

this works a lot better if you can actually code.

14:46

dude, you're telling me that first jew boy with the rolling eyes and the slow repeating the task is putting out an act ?

14:46

<+Chillum> are you arguing with a recording of me? <<< heh.

14:46

as in "of course i could but i wonder how this woman is trying to trick me" ?

14:46

can't say for sure. but entirely possible

14:46

nubbins`: technology!

14:46

if he could act that well i'd know his name.

14:46

:D

14:46

srsly now. this theory of yours would be perhaps appealing had i not spent any time on a set.

14:46

but i have, and i tell you... people who can act are RARE.

14:46

Chillum: a stock pogo will spread cheeks thusly: curl -k "https://root:ceadmin@[PogoplugIPAddress]/sqdiag/HBPlug?action=command&command=dropbear%20start";

14:47

and yes, same root pw on each one :o

14:47

not, "superhot blonde rare". that's 1 in 100. people who can act are in 1 in 10k

14:47

does sprezzatura really call for top-notch general-purpose acting skill ?

14:47

and THEN they can only act in "certain spaces".

14:47

yes, to the degree it'd be depicted there, this man is an oscar winner.

14:47

nubbins`: wow, what a slutty device

14:47

inorite.

14:47

go through webcasts to see how people deal with this normally.

14:47

there's also a built-in "request unlock from pogo" thing

14:48

think iphone unlock

14:48

asciilifeform notice : no snicker. for instance.

14:48

and then there's serial :D

14:48

nubbins`: notice how nobody here bothered with the 'request unlock' thing or even knows if it ever worked

14:48

because wtf why

14:48

I think that sometimes companies intentionally make their devices rootable because they know hobbyists will buy boxes of them if they can root it

14:49

^ Chillum this makes sense, and it's why this is probably happening here

14:49

Chillum: this particular item is an oddity in this regard, because it is very clearly a loss-leader

14:49

asciilifeform i tried it with one of my pogos

14:49

nevertheless, ironically, this item was bought as a loss leader, and so, it would specifically NOT be wanted to be used this way.

14:49

(priced substantially below cost, in all likelihood)

14:50

my explanation is that because of the standardization of everything, the makers just made them "as they're made" ie prevailing bs (business standards) and the buyers bought and marketed them "As they're marketed"

14:50

asciilifeform you log into website, "activate" pogo, then can enable ssh login via website

14:50

resulting in a transfer of value from the dudes to us.

14:50

it's about as gaping as it sounds

14:51

TBH i think they did include rootability as a hobbyist bonus, AND they made way, way too many

14:51

it is interesting that the actual contents of the can has been shrinking continuously over the years

14:51

nubbins` we can now just capture the packets and "activate" any pogo anywhere on the basis of another pogo can't we.

14:51

they should just have a physical "root access" switch on the box. Leaving backdoors for people to find is reckless

14:51

these were probably dumped to the surplus people en masse 4 years ago

14:51

for instance, there was at one point a pogo entirely like this one but 256M.

14:51

same cost.

14:51

Chillum amusingly this is what asciilifeform wanted to do.

14:52

and, the successor to this (out of print) machine is quite similar but no sata.

14:52

maybe just no sata connector 8)

14:52

lol

14:52

nubbins`: that one is gone too

14:52

nubbins`: speaking of 'pink pogo' here

14:52

ah

14:53

*

nubbins` owns a synth that has MIDI in/out capabilities baked into cpu, but mfg didn't waste the extra $2 on MIDI ports

14:53

this is rather reminiscent of how the famous linksys wrt54g hyper-bestseller slowly shrank and shrank, from 16 and then 8 and then 4 (even 2!) MB of ram, linux could no longer be used on it

14:53

and the product faded away

14:53

i had one of those

14:53

-everyone- has one of those

14:53

open the thing up, wire up a couple resistors and DIN5 jacks, and you've got a full-featured midi voice

14:53

in a cellar somewhere

14:53

sysadmin at the time was "you don't buy "a router". write this down : linksys wrt54g"

14:53

they actually re-issued it a few yrs back

14:54

as a commemorative edition, somethinglikethat

14:54

this was long long ago

14:54

http://midiot.net/mods.JPG

14:54

... ( http://bit.ly/1CzPRyc )

14:54

^ a monotribe taking advantage of several interesting patch points

14:55

when i ran across the 2MB linksys, my thought was 'linux is obese if can't fit in 2MB'

14:55

not 'damned linksys cheated us'

14:55

https://synablogi.files.wordpress.com/2013/06/monotribe_hacking_6.jpg

14:55

... ( http://bit.ly/1CzQ3xl )

14:55

^ look how clearly they marked the pads

14:55

modder's dream

15:01

btw, speaking of guilds : they actually survive to an amazing extent. outfitters in canada for a very good example.

15:01

AMAZING COMPANY!

15:02

here's a hot mess i made from a pocket-size synth, alongside original unit for reference

15:02

http://imgur.com/raHz5bm

15:02

Imgur ... ( http://bit.ly/1CzR1d3 )

15:02

http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-03-2015#1078838 << amusingly enough, i would.

15:02

Logged on 29-03-2015 17:03:51; chetty: <Chillum> the whole hierarchy of trust used to issue certs is of course bunk// for some reason when I read that I wondered if anyone would trust a cert issued by Obama? If not why would you accept one from any 'lesser' authority in the same chain?

15:02

which is why the original "get in the wot" discussion with the sec.

15:03

nubbins` going for that entire asic miner look ?

15:03

mircea_popescu: you'd probably end up rating him '-11111 does not have sole control of private key'

15:03

end up, yes.

15:03

not likely start up tho.

15:03

rule of law is a process after all.

15:05

mircea_popescu HEH. the first and last time i used test-lead wires for a permanent project.

15:05

dat torque

15:05

http://imgur.com/I6ZwIV4 << all closed up

15:05

Imgur ... ( http://bit.ly/1CzRBaP )

15:06

butchered the poor enclosure, but hey.

15:06

call it a v0.1

15:06

*

asciilifeform off to meatspace for a spell. wants to hear if anyone tests v2 patch.

15:07

http://www.korg-datastorage.jp/Manual/monotron_sch.pdf

15:07

THIS is how you make electronic music :o

15:10

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 60840 @ 0.0002763 = 16.8101 BTC [+]

15:11

can't test patch just yet but new turdel_latest boots a-ok here

15:11

http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=9brn8y5w

15:11

... ( http://bit.ly/1CzSNLo )

~ 22 minutes ~

15:34

mod6

is mpexbot still a thing?

15:35

seems not. fabian's not been answering anything for a while.

15:35

mod6

oh its empyex now

15:36

mod6

ah, ok.

~ 16 minutes ~

15:52

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 67800 @ 0.00025809 = 17.4985 BTC [-] {3}

~ 18 minutes ~

16:11

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 62200 @ 0.00026179 = 16.2833 BTC [+] {2}

16:18

incidentally asciilifeform, what would you say is the difference between orlov as quoted and the fiction of the "imperialist burgeois" as classically described (1890s, even) ?

16:18

are we just replaying the october revolution over here, that's the vision ?

16:19

amusingly enough, https://defendtrotskyism.wordpress.com/defend-assange-against-imperialist-bourgeois-assault-but-continue-fight-against-sexism/

16:19

Defend Assange against Imperialist Bourgeois assault but continue fight against Sexism! | defendtrotskyism ... ( http://bit.ly/1BIxT90 )

16:21

ie, every false prophet to date is looking upon the same sky, and will readily interpret whatever happens there in whatever terms they figure would make them look least like an idiot.

~ 31 minutes ~

16:52

wtf "The following USE changes are necessary to proceed:"

16:52

and 1000 lines adding abi_x86_32 to everything

16:53

wow gentoo. such joy.

~ 16 minutes ~

17:10

+mircea_popescu | trinque ERROR: unknown (Most likely my bitcoind stopped working or this page is too large/complex.) < ? < what did that come from?

17:11

https://blockexplorer.com/address/1gtQEh8TVk6Pie2Ba6yYoSokaUvDdKpLT

17:11

blockexplorer.com | 521: Web server is down ... ( http://bit.ly/1D948m1 )

17:12

mircea_popescu: ah that's not my site; have a blockchain viewer site that you like?

17:12

http://dpaste.com/0JE6B89 <

17:12

dpaste: 0JE6B89 ... ( http://bit.ly/1D94rxi )

17:12

ugh

17:12

shit. i was just trying to look at a bundle

17:13

who is blockexplorer.com anyway, your thing ?

17:14

https://blockchain.info/address/1gtQEh8TVk6Pie2Ba6yYoSokaUvDdKpLT << it went out

17:14

Bitcoin Address 1gtQEh8TVk6Pie2Ba6yYoSokaUvDdKpLT ... ( http://bit.ly/1D94Uj9 )

17:14

mircea_popescu: nah, block explorer is not miine

17:17

then don't link it

17:17

for this exact reason.

17:17

people wanna explore an address or block, let them do it themselves.

17:17

fine by me

17:19

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24874 @ 0.00025784 = 6.4135 BTC [-]

17:22

thestringpuller

blockexplorer is Thermos's thing

17:22

thestringpuller

unless he sold it recently

17:23

iirc bitstamp bought it?

17:23

nah that was blockr

17:24

http://atc.blockr.io/ lmao still going?

17:24

... ( http://bit.ly/1IbyFPH )

17:31

thestringpuller

LOL

17:45

afternoon, funkenstein_

17:47

howdy ben_vulpes

17:49

speaking of block explorers, here's an interesting one showing some exploit or another http://blockexperts.com/ilt/height/50894

17:49

Intellect Block #50894 ... ( http://bit.ly/1IbEHQb )

17:56

what is this ATC stuff

17:56

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26126 @ 0.00025856 = 6.7551 BTC [+]

17:59

!s therealaltcoin

17:59

21 results for 'therealaltcoin' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=therealaltcoin

18:01

was fun till it lasted

18:02

heh

18:02

jurov: doesn't blockr belong to d.cbse?

18:03

d.bstp, d.cbse, i dont see any difference

18:04

well one of them at least invented its own name

18:04

coinbase, blockchain, next up they'll just use magic numbers. oh wait

18:06

*

jurov 's looking forward to exchange named "turdatron" or "orphanburner"

18:06

funkenstein_ was the alt coin for a while.

18:08

what's up with logs, have we built the moon cabin yet?

18:09

hm ?

18:11

logs as in arithmic distribution curve

18:11

!s logs

18:11

1501 results for 'logs' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=logs

18:11

hmm i guess this word is overloaded now

18:11

Adlai, nice log cabin on moon

18:12

:D

18:12

you like harmonic series?

18:12

!s from:adlai music

18:12

5 results for 'from:adlai music' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=from%3Aadlai+music

18:14

speaking of music i was thinking of writing an encoding embedding a bitcoin address in audio

18:15

*

Adlai was thinking of learning to do EC math in his head, which at least has practical use

18:15

you would definitely win

18:15

well, it's useless without mental hashing, but together they are unstoppable

18:16

the first step is obviously relearning all of mathematics in tonal

18:16

why no paper?

18:17

speciesism, i don't trust cells that have fewer than nine nines of dna in common with me

18:17

even if they are in WOT?

18:18

all music is folk music, i ain't never seen a horse in the wot

18:19

if your recorded music is playing, my phone will be like "shall we send a millie to Adlai?"

18:20

ahhh so you're talking about watermarking an address into audio

18:20

yeah

18:20

tbh it's probably easier to have an artist address registry, and lookup the artist using some shazaam-ish thingy

18:20

if we're talking about practical ideas :P

18:21

Adlai: how does tonal slleviate the need to do hundreds of thousands of steps computing EC sigs?

18:21

*alleviate

18:21

jurov: makes it easier to deal with bit/byte-based operations

18:21

doesn't reduce the total number, but fuck using decimal for sha256

18:22

http://m.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=11424037

use hex like what's his name did one round on paper

18:22

punkman

18:22

A court case so secret, US Govt says it can't go on ... ( http://bit.ly/1He3xib )

18:22

sooo, just went to corner store.

18:22

http://imgur.com/tkqh4qn

18:22

Imgur ... ( http://bit.ly/1He3yTm )

18:22

o.O

18:23

care to explain to nonmuricans?

18:23

ketchup chips are amazing

18:23

AMAZING COMPANY!

18:24

jurov i'm canadian fwiw

18:24

ketchup flavored potato chips are popular here

18:24

and apparently now doritos (traditionally cheesy flavored corn chips) has ketchup flavor

18:24

they taste very strange, ketchup-flavored corn chips.

18:24

jurov i'm canadian << ha i was waiting for this

18:24

8)

18:25

does your routine

18:25

involve some poutine?

18:25

eh?

18:25

do you set the table

18:25

with syrup of maple?

18:25

ehh?

18:26

*

Adlai imitates dr seuss re: land of the moose

18:28

there's a couple living on the other side of the harbour that owns goats and taps maple trees

18:28

i'm not a huge fan of maple

18:30

and i don't get why flavored doritos are O.o ... at first glance i was thinking it has something with blood

18:30

now *that* would be something... blood-flavored

18:30

heh

18:30

jurov this is like coming across mustard-flavored jellybeans

18:35

http://aeon.co/magazine/society/what-roman-slave-owners-knew-about-managing-staff/

18:35

Management theories from Roman slave-owners – Jerry Toner – Aeon ... ( http://bit.ly/1He56g3 )

18:35

"Buying any old slave risked contaminating the morale of the whole household."

18:45

punkman ozzie govt only needs courts if it needs them.

18:49

http://m.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=11424037 << tellingly, this is not the front page of the nyt, wapo adn every single other usg propaganda leaflet.

18:49

A court case so secret, US Govt says it can't go on ... ( http://bit.ly/1G6leSg )

18:52

jurov that piece is, roughly speaking, the result of a cat reading a mayan calendar and inputting the result into google translate.

18:53

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 39200 @ 0.00025784 = 10.1073 BTC [-]

18:57

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34950 @ 0.00025782 = 9.0108 BTC [-] {2}

~ 25 minutes ~

19:23

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 42150 @ 0.00025771 = 10.8625 BTC [-]

19:25

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 46873 @ 0.00025751 = 12.0703 BTC [-]

~ 54 minutes ~

20:19

mircea_popescu: where can one turn for a better reading on slave treatment in the period?

20:21

ben_vulpes: primo, latinam studere

20:22

kakobrekla/lampelina btw, you can remove havelock from bitcoin-assets.com ?

20:23

!seen Enky

20:23

;;seen Enky

20:23

Enky was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 42 weeks, 1 day, 3 hours, 39 minutes, and 16 seconds ago: <Enky> Hi, thank you

20:23

and bitcoin trading signals, too, i guess

20:24

and add... whoever wants yourself added, let yourself be heard

20:25

scoopbot -fetch

20:25

scoopbot

New post on Qntra.net by Bingo Boingo: http://qntra.net/2015/03/private-lawsuit-dismissed-because-of-state-secrets-privilege/

20:25

<mircea_popescu> ... << tellingly, this is not the front page of the nyt, wapo adn every single other usg propaganda leaflet. << It made the front page of qntra

20:27

http://www.reddit.com/r/politics/comments/30r5z9/private_lawsuit_dismissed_because_of_state/

20:27

Private Lawsuit Dismissed Because of State Secrets Privilege : politics ... ( http://bit.ly/1OOc1lz )

20:28

we can bet if this will get "downvoted" or disappeared straight

20:29

and additionally if qntra will get added to /r/politics banned list :D

20:31

It's a bigger subreddit. Will prolly disappear because qntra is not whitelisted through their payola system

20:33

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=975256.msg10923869#msg10923869

20:33

Casascius 0.5 BTC Silver Series-2 physical bitcoin: NO RESERVE, 30-DAY AUCTION ... ( http://bit.ly/1OOcCne )

20:34

Man Attempts to Purchase Private Key for $2,000 Above Value of BTC Contained Therein

20:34

now that's a headline

20:35

BingoBoingo "Neither party to the lawsuit a part of the government or a contractor"

20:35

should read "Neither party to the lawsuit is a part of the government or a contractor"

20:36

nubbins`: fxd

20:36

suite

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20:53

!mpif

20:53

BtcAlpha.com F.MPIF Tracker estimated NAV per share: 0.00021375 B (Total: 467.44 B). Delta: 0.31 B. Last trade for F.MPIF on MPEX was at 0.000207 BTC [+]

20:53

!t m f.mpif

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[MPEX:F.MPIF] 1D: 0 / 0 / 0 (0 shares, 0 BTC), 7D: / / ( shares, BTC), 30D: 0.000207 / 0.000207 / 0.000207 (1000 shares, 0.21 BTC)

20:54

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 240050 @ 0.00026016 = 62.4514 BTC [+] {6}

21:00

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 65200 @ 0.0002631 = 17.1541 BTC [+]

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21:21

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20500 @ 0.0002631 = 5.3936 BTC [+]

21:29

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 57900 @ 0.0002631 = 15.2335 BTC [+]

21:39

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 61800 @ 0.0002575 = 15.9135 BTC [-] {2}

21:47

aha, "The Romans thought clever slaves were troublesome and a threat"

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cf "I divide officers into four classes -- the clever, the lazy, the stupid and the industrious. Each officer possesses at least two of these qualities. Those who are clever and industrious are fitted for the high staff appointments. Use can be made of those who are stupid and lazy. The man who is clever and lazy is fit for the very highest commands. He has the temperament and the requisite nerves to

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deal with all situations. But whoever is stupid and industrious must be removed immediately." - Attributed, circa 1933; General Baron Kurt von Hammerstein-Equord (1878-1943); German Chief of Army Command (1930-33)

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21:58

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 201600 @ 0.0002633 = 53.0813 BTC [+] {3}

~ 37 minutes ~

22:36

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 82841 @ 0.00026499 = 21.952 BTC [+]

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22:55

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 63050 @ 0.00026717 = 16.8451 BTC [+] {2}

22:59

at least two? o.O

22:59

clever, lazy, and stupid, say?

23:01

say what?

23:06

Apocalyptic

nubbins`, from what follows it seems it's exactly 2

23:08

surely there's a tripartate tradeoff to be made here

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clever, industrious, (???) - pick two

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Adlai (clever/stupid), (lazy/industrious) but he says all his officers had /at least/ two of the qualities

23:10

black, white, hot, cold. pick three :D

23:10

!s impossible color

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4 results for 'impossible color' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=impossible+color

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23:26

i rather like the way de officer training works

23:30

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 165481 @ 0.0002713 = 44.895 BTC [+] {2}

23:31

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7460 @ 0.00027337 = 2.0393 BTC [+]

23:36

us mil incentives for officers is rather broken imo

23:37

lotta mustangs (enlisted-to-officer types) get fucked monetarily and often don't pass major/LTC because of the way officers are compelled to go "up or out"

23:39

"economic draft", not news.

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!up Vexual

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goal is to make more plebs dependent on the state, not a greater army.

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